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Zee (00:00):
Hello teacher friends,
Coach Zee here.
This is the UX Teacher PrepPodcast and I'm dedicated to
helping burned out teachers andteachers who just need a fresh
start to unleash theircreativity break into UX.
In today's episode, I'll sharefive things I wish I knew before
leaving the classroom andstarting my career in tech.
Stay tuned.
Narrator (00:21):
Welcome to the UX
Teacher Prep Podcast, the
ultimate destination foreducators who aspire to break
into the field of userexperience and product design.
Your host, zee Arnold, a15-year teacher, turned.
Ux researcher is here to guide,coach and mentor you through
every twist and turn as you makeyour career transition into
tech.
If you're ready for a moresatisfying career and lifestyle
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and you want the balance tounleash your creativity, this
podcast is for you.
Now for the show.
Zee (01:03):
Now that I've transitioned
out of the classroom and I've
been in my role as a remote UXresearcher for two years, I've
been doing some reflection.
I wanted to share with you somethings I wish I knew before my
transition, because I know a lotof you are out here searching
for answers and trying to figureout your next steps, just like
I was, and I wish I knew thesethings sooner so I could, one,
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ease some of the anxiety I washaving and, two, so I could
mentally and logisticallyprepare for my new role.
I learned a lot during mytransition and I hope something
I share today can help you out.
Something that I realized isthat transitioning from teaching
to a corporate career was a bitof a culture shock and it's
something you need to beprepared for.
Before I started teaching, Iactually worked in corporate,
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but that was years before, so Ikind of forgot about that
experience.
The tech industry can be verydifferent from the education
field.
You have to be ready forchanges in your work environment
, company culture and work-lifebalance.
It might be more flexible or,in some cases, more demanding.
Personally, I work remotely,plus my company values work-life
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balance, so I have absolutelyno complaints in that department
.
But if you were an ELA teacherlike me, grading papers and
lesson planning all the timewhile at home, you might get
some relief in a different typeof role where you won't have to
take work home with you.
So let's get into it.
Let's start with the things Iwish I knew to ease my anxiety,
like they say, where you won'thave to take work home with you.
So let's get into it.
Let's start with the things Iwish I knew to ease my anxiety.
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Like they say, you don't knowwhat you don't know.
But that can actually bestressful at times.
So the first thing I wish Iknew is that my transferable
skills were my secret weapon.
What I mean by that is that,although I never hid the fact
that I was a teacher, I wasalways trying to learn new
skills and prove myself rightfor the new industry, and in the
beginning I didn't think theskills I acquired as a teacher
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meant so much.
I was sitting on so manytransferable skills that were
needed in a UX ed tech role andI didn't realize it at first.
As a teacher, you have so manyskills that are highly valuable
in UX and in other fields aswell.
You have the unique ability tocommunicate complex ideas in
simple ways.
You can manage diverse groupsof students and create engaging
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experiences for them, and you'reused to working with different
audiences and adjusting yourpresentation techniques to meet
their needs.
You even modify and adjust yourlessons and your approach to
meet different accommodationsthat students have.
And I talked about transferableskills in episode two, so
listen to that one if you wantto get deeper into that.
But your ability to empathizewith students gives you an edge
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in UX.
Your students are your users.
They're the users of yourproduct, which is your lesson
plan.
So understanding user needs andpain points is crucial in
creating user-friendly designs,in UX and user-friendly
experiences.
So use your empathetic skillsto your advantage and if you run
teacher PDs, like I did, youhave the ability to do the same
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thing for adult learners.
All of these skills aredirectly transferable to UX
roles and they're highly valuedin the field.
I feel like a lot of teachersdon't realize how valuable their
skills are to other industries.
There's so much more toteaching than just delivering a
lesson in front of a class, andthat alone takes a tremendous
amount of skill, awareness andtalent to be done effectively.
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We, as teachers, just don'tgive ourselves enough credit.
As a teacher.
You have public speaking skillsand you're not afraid to stand
in front of 30 plus students todeliver a lesson, or stand in
front of an auditorium filledwith students to deliver a
message.
That comes natural to teachers,but it might not come natural
to those who haven't worked inthe profession.
Also, planning, projectmanagement, classroom management
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those are all skills thattransfer well into UX roles.
Definitely check out episodetwo if you want to learn more
about those transferable skills.
The next thing I wish I knew washow crucial networking was, and
not just connecting with people, but strategically networking.
I talked more about this inepisode five of the podcast, but
when it comes to the techindustry, building a strong
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network is a must.
In the beginning, I triedgetting a UX role on my own and
I failed.
But once I started to build mynetwork on LinkedIn and in
meetups, I started to learn moreabout UX and I got new ideas
for marketing myself.
I joined online forums, slackchannels, where I could learn
from UX researchers, uxdesigners, ux writers about the
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craft, and that networking iswhat got me my first role in UX.
Networking can open doors tojob opportunities and mentorship
that you might not find on yourown.
Your network will also come inhandy in times of layoffs, or
they might have insight intoupcoming roles from their
companies.
Now, in teaching, jobopportunities usually come
through formal applications andinterviews, but in other fields,
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what I learned is thatnetworking can play a huge role
in you landing your job.
And that brings me to anotherpoint I want to make about
mentorship.
Having a mentor in the UXcourses I took provided me with
guidance, feedback and supportas I was navigating my career
transition.
I had people I could ask quickquestions, share my ideas and my
portfolio with and learn from.
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While I was studying UX Backwhen I was teaching, I was a
mentor to new teachers, and I'mstill connected to so many of
those teachers today.
They reach out to me for advice, words of wisdom and just
questions they have aboutteaching.
So I actually knew thatmentorship was important, but I
wish I knew sooner that I neededto get a dedicated mentor right
out of the gate when I startedmy transition.
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Now I want to talk about thethings I wish I knew so I could
mentally and logisticallyprepare myself for the
transition.
So the first thing is that Iwas going to have to keep
learning and adapting quickly.
Now, I love to learn and Iconsider myself a lifelong
learner, so that really wasn'tan issue for me in terms of
learning.
However, once I discovered UX,I realized that I had to stay
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updated with the industry trendsand keep learning, so I
immersed myself in UX books,podcasts, courses, articles,
events and as much as I could tostay up to date.
Tech is similar to educationand that it's always changing.
I remember I took a course onLinkedIn Learning and then a few
weeks later, there was anupdated version that I went back
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and took because I wanted tolearn about what changed,
especially now with AI.
Things are constantly changing,so you have to stay on top of
it all.
As a newbie, I found myself notonly trying to learn the basics
, but also trying to keep upwith the changes and the way
things were evolving at the sametime, so I felt like that
process sucked up a lot of mytime and I wasn't prepared to
give all that time into learningUX.
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So, of course, I had to makeadjustments, but I want you to
know that you're going to haveto stay on top of the trends,
the new things that arehappening, so that, even as you
go into interviews, you canspeak to those things when
you're asked.
Okay, so I have two more.
I wish I understood more aboutthe corporate job market and
interview process before Istarted my transition.
So when I first started mytransition, there were so many
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different directions I couldtake and it was overwhelming.
I started to dive intoinstructional design at first,
because I heard that you know,teachers make great
instructional designers, andthen I started looking at
customer success, but then Irealized that those weren't for
me.
That wasn't something that wasgoing to spark my interest and
get me really interested in theday-to-day work.
So I wanted to focus on tech,because I love technology.
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The tech industry has a widerange of roles like software
engineer, coder, projectmanagement, data analysis, and
it took a few months or so forme to discover UX and really
research the job market tounderstand what roles were
available and what companieswere looking for.
I actually wasted some moneyinvesting into training for
other roles and then changed mymind.
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So I wish I did the researchfirst and then paid for the
courses.
Ux design, ux research, productdesign each have different
requirements and expectations.
Also, the job search processcan be overwhelming and it can
get drawn out.
Even though I was able totransition in five months,
finding a job outside ofteaching can take a long time
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for some people.
The job search process for techsometimes involves multiple
rounds of interviews, portfoliopresentations, sometimes you
have a take-home task or a skillassessment, so I wish I knew it
was going to take a lot ofpersistence and patience to go
through that process.
I was used to teachinginterviews, where you go in for
one interview with one or twoschool leaders and you get the
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job and that's it.
I went through five rounds ofinterviews for the role I'm in
right now.
So in order to push myselfthrough that process that I felt
like was taking forever, I hadto ask myself how much do you
want to see?
And I decided to stay positiveand approach every interview
like it was the first one andview it as a new opportunity to
showcase my skills and to get toknow the team I'd be working
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with better.
One piece of advice I want togive you is, when you get to the
interview stage of your process, make sure you ask questions
about the process.
Some companies will tell you ontheir website or in their email
communication with you what theinterview process is like, but
you have the right to ask aboutthat process.
What does it entail?
So you have an idea if you'rein for one, two or even eight
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interviews and with whom.
That way you know where you arein the process and it's less
overwhelming for you and it'llalso help you decide if you have
the capacity to move forwardwith that application.
So no one's time is wasted.
Now the last thing I want totalk about is I wish I knew
earlier that salary negotiationis a must.
So when it comes to teaching,the salary is the salary.
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It's posted on the salaryschedule for everyone to see and
it's not negotiable.
If you accept the salaryschedule, you take the job.
In New York City we had salarysteps with longevity increases
sprinkled in, and that was basedon our years of experience.
We also got pay increases,called salary differentials for
credits.
We earned beyond a bachelor'sdegree, but generally speaking
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the pay increases were about 3%.
Now in the corporate world it'snot like that at all.
When I got my job offers in UX,I wasn't afraid to negotiate my
salary, but I was never in aposition to do that before, so
it felt strange to me.
I didn't know if I should askfor a range, go with the low or
high end of what I hadresearched, not give a salary
requirement at all.
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So I had to do lots of researchand I also reached out to my
mentor for support to understandit all.
So don't be afraid to negotiateyour salary.
In fact, tech companies expectyou to do that and that's why
they usually post a range in thejob description.
Tech companies expect you to dothat and that's why they
usually post a range in the jobdescription, and there's usually
room for negotiation.
But you have to do yourresearch to know your worth and
the industry's standards.
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Also, think about the entirepackage and what you're willing
to compromise.
For example, working from homemeans you won't need to spend
money on gas to commute.
So there's some give and takethere, and what I've learned is
that in the corporate world youcan earn your salary plus annual
bonuses and have a fullcompensation package that can
include equity or stock in thecompany and other perks.
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So that's something that's verydifferent from teaching.
So I had to take a deep breathand wrap my head around the idea
of negotiating my salary andknowing my worth and what I was
bringing to the table as anexperienced teacher and
professional.
So do your research andnegotiate your salary and
compensation package to get thebest outcome.
So I want to close by sayingthat leaving teaching can be
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very emotional, especially ifyou've built close bonds with
your students and it's somethingyou've been doing for years,
even if you're burnt out andready for a change.
Teaching is familiar, it's yourconsistency and it's what
you've known for a long time.
A lot of former teachers missthe sense of fulfillment and the
close relationships they havewith their students.
When I left teaching, I missedmy students for a long time.
So it's important to preparefor this emotional shift and
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find new sources of satisfactionin your new role or while
you're transitioning out of thatrole.
But the most important thing Iwant to tell you is to stay
focused and don't give up onyourself.
The transition can bechallenging and sometimes slow,
but stay resilient, be patientwith yourself and celebrate all
the small victories along theway, and I know you'll crush
your goal to start a new career.
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As always, if you need supporton your career transition, I'm
here to help.
You can connect with me onsocials and the links are in the
show notes below.
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