November 8, 2025 • 50 mins
Venus explores Karl's true story of stealthy cuckolding, where desire and trust grow inside an unspoken agreement. Karl shares how a subtle shift at home revealed a third person in their intimacy and why submission, control, and service turned jealousy into fuel.
• how a lifelong submissive frames pleasure as service
• foot fetish and reflexology as pathways to intimacy
• the “taste” clue and the moment of realization
• silent consent and why not naming it amplified arousal
• safety, STI risk, and the limits of trust-only dynamics
• power exchange without degradation or humiliation
• practical ways to play with tease, control, and ambiguity
• why mystery can coexist with care and reconnection
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SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
Here's a look at what's coming up on the show.
SPEAKER_01 (00:06):
On one occasion she came home and she wanted um she
wanted me to give her oral sexstraight away instead of the
usual straight sex.
And I thought that's fine.
But probably that obviously.
So that's that's all great.
And I didn't notice anything inparticular that first time.
(00:28):
And then the second time, shecame home, same thing again, and
I thought, hmm, somethingslightly different here in terms
of the way things normally theway things normally taste.
And uh anyway, we just got busyand just carried on.
SPEAKER_03 (01:02):
This is the Venus Cuckolders Podcast, a place to
learn all things cuckolding forthe curious, for the passionate,
and for the sexually empoweredwoman who wants it all.
SPEAKER_04 (01:28):
Let's go.
SPEAKER_03 (01:29):
Welcome to the show.
I'm your host, Venus.
Wow, do I have a show for youtoday?
Stealthy Cuckolding.
When you taste another maninside your wife.
Surprise! It's surprisinglycommon and um not gonna lie,
(01:50):
it's very, very hot.
So I think you're gonna likethis story today.
It's a really good one.
We're also talking about footfetishes as well.
Um, but before we get into it, Ihave an important announcement.
If you are listening to thisshow, or if you routinely listen
to this show on YouTube, beprepared to never listen to it
(02:11):
again on YouTube.
I can't help it, but YouTubefucking hates my podcast, even
though it's mainly just audio.
They don't like it.
I keep getting strikes on myaccount just for the show being
the show.
Even if I put an 18 plus ratingon it, they don't give a fuck.
(02:32):
I'm on my second strike, andthat means if I get one more,
I'm fucked.
Right now, I'm not allowed topost anything on there for a
certain period of time.
And yeah, so fuck you, YouTube,and um probably not gonna be on
there much longer.
So if you're one of the 13,000subscribers on YouTube, you
should probably move on over toa different platform if you want
(02:55):
to keep listening to this.
You can always listen to it onmy my site, VenusCuckledris.com.
Or you can just listen to itonline on Spotify, YouTube, any
of those things.
You don't have to have anaccount, you can just listen to
it online, or you can downloadany podcast platform streaming
app and do it that way.
(03:16):
Um, so yeah, heads up, YouTube,about to get fucked up the ass,
and not in a great way.
Uh also, I have a greatannouncement coming up.
I'm gonna be doing a pillow talkevent, a live event in the
Queen's Quarters community.
Um, and guess who's gonna joinme?
I'm gonna have Zach and mostlikely I think his wife as well.
(03:38):
Uh there they he was on the lastepisode that came out, the one
that was about pussy-freecuckolding leads to BBC or
pussy-free marriage leads to BBCcuckolding.
You know the one.
You know the one I'm talkingabout, the one that fucking I
got a strike on YouTube aboutbecause it's too hot,
apparently.
Um, but anyway, he's gonna bejoining me for a uh live chat in
(04:01):
the Queen's Quarters community,and that is going to be
December, what is it, December8th.
It's a Monday.
It's gonna be um 10 a.m.
Pacific time, that's 1 p.m.
Eastern time.
Join me on your lunch break orjust tune in.
It is gonna be live.
We're gonna be talking about theepisode, talking about his
relationship um with his wife,and you'll have a chance to ask
(04:24):
questions.
It is live, so um, you'll haveto join live uh to be able to
catch it.
However, it is recorded, not forthe podcast, it's recorded for
replays for anybody that missedit.
But the only way you can watchthe replay is it's a benefit of
supporting the podcast.
So there's two fan tiers.
If you join either one of them,you get access to those replays
(04:46):
uh for all of the pillow talk inthe live chats in the Queen's
Quarters community.
So you can go toVenusCucklegis.com, click on the
fan tiers um tab if you want tolearn more, or the link is in
the uh show notes for today'sepisode.
Um oh yeah, one last thing.
My show just got announced, uh,or just got announced that my
(05:08):
show was nominated for an awardthrough the Canadian Podcast Um
Awards.
And uh so I'm pretty happy aboutthat.
This is, I think, the third yearin a row that I got um the show
got nominated.
And I know everybody's asking,how do I vote for you?
Unfortunately, you can't.
Unless you happen to have aCanadian podcast of your own,
(05:29):
then you can.
So Canadian podcasters are theones that vote on other Canadian
podcasts for these awards.
So I am pretty much never gonnawin because most of my audience
is in the United States.
Funny enough, although I'm uphere in Canada, I think like 80%
of my listeners are in theUnited States.
So there's that.
(05:50):
But anyway, it's fun to benominated.
So thank you to the CanadianPodcast Awards for this.
I think it's really great thatthey are, you know, uh shining a
light on Canadian podcasts.
All right, that's it forannouncements.
Let's jump into this episoderight after this quick message.
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SPEAKER_03 (06:44):
Joining me on the show, I have Carl, and I'm
really excited for this story.
This is going to be a good one.
Welcome to the show, Carl.
Say hello to all of thelisteners.
SPEAKER_01 (06:55):
Thank you, Venus.
Very nice to uh very nice tomeet you.
And uh good afternoon, goodmorning, good evening, everybody
out there listening in.
SPEAKER_03 (07:05):
Yeah, so I had put a message out on FetLife uh
looking for guests for the showto talk about post-not regret.
But I'm so glad Carl got a holdof me because this story, this
story is so good, and I know youguys are gonna love it.
Because I've heard similarthemes uh with this over the
(07:26):
years, and I'm not gonna lie,it's hot as fuck.
But before we jump into the hotjuicy part, let's start off by
talking a little bit about uhyour story.
How did you get to where you aretoday, Carl?
I understand that you have a lotof experience in the BDSM world,
is that right?
SPEAKER_01 (07:47):
Yeah, I mean I've I've I've been involved probably
since I was about late twenties,I guess.
But um even prior to that, to beto be honest, I I had um I
probably didn't know it at thetime, but when I was early
teens, I had a foot and shoefetish.
I didn't realise it was that atthe time, I don't think, until
(08:10):
much later on.
Um but I've been involved, yeah,on and off in BDSM probably
since yeah, late twenties Iwould guess.
Um I've done some professionalshoots video and still not many
with a couple of um quiteprominent dominatrixes.
(08:33):
I did that for fun because Ienjoyed doing it.
Um not for the not for thesexual thrill.
I actually enjoyed actuallymaking those videos and doing
the shoots.
I just thought it was an awfullot of fun.
I've covered quite a wide umspectrum in terms of pretty much
everything that BDSM has tooffer, but there were certain
things that I was definitely notgoing down that route because I
(08:57):
just didn't didn't do anythingfor me like it like with anybody
else.
Um and eventually it was kind ofnarrowed down into the more
sensual side of BDSM, which tobe fair has nearly always
revolved around shoes and feet,worship, submission, that kind
of thing.
You know, usual, nothing,nothing unusual in in my
(09:20):
preferences from that point ofview, and it is actually
probably the most popular, mostprominent fetish, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (09:27):
Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
Particularly shoes and feet.
And that's one of the thingsthat actually on Fet Life I'm
probably, dare I say, extremelywell known for, if you look me
up.
Very well known for.
SPEAKER_03 (09:39):
You're the foot guy.
SPEAKER_01 (09:42):
That's me.
SPEAKER_03 (09:44):
Yeah, it's so common, actually.
My my first house boy was uh uhuh I call him foot boy because
that was his um his fetish wasuh around feet, but he had a
whole bunch of other kinkythings that he was into.
He's nasty, but um he I mean ina great way.
Um but he he um he loved feet.
(10:04):
He and that and ever since thenI absolutely like adore guys who
like feet.
I mean, it's just so so sexythat's a foot washer.
SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
Most women don't realize what what they have.
I know what you can actually dowith them.
I know, I know with the the thepleasure that could be given
just with with hands alone isoff the scale if you know how to
manipulate them properly.
And that's where the pleasureis.
(10:35):
Yes, so my pleasure is for thegiver.
SPEAKER_03 (10:39):
My new house boy, he I had him do some foot worship
the last time he came over uh todo some pussy worship.
But anyway, um maybe he needs totake some some notes from you
because like he was pretty goodat the the foot worship foot
worship, but he's so keen tolearn.
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
Reflexology, that's where it's at.
SPEAKER_03 (10:59):
It's really oh yeah.
Well, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (11:02):
He needs to need to do a reflexology course on it.
He will send you through theroof in no time.
SPEAKER_03 (11:09):
Really?
SPEAKER_01 (11:10):
Oh, yeah, that's probably another conversation.
SPEAKER_03 (11:12):
Yeah, I think so.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (11:14):
I could I could do a course.
SPEAKER_03 (11:17):
You should.
Yes, absolutely.
That would be so great becauseyeah, there's a lot to learn
when it comes to um footworship.
But yeah, damn, is it evergreat?
If there's any ladies listeningout there and you're like kind
of like, oh, I've never, I don'tknow what that's all about, the
whole like having a guy worshipyour feet.
It is fucking fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (11:37):
Like missed out, but some don't like them touched,
you don't like it to go anywherenear them.
SPEAKER_03 (11:42):
Which is weird.
Like, I love going and gettingpedicures on the regular, like
that's my thing.
So I would, I mean, maybe if Ididn't go get pedicures, I'd be
like, my I don't know, but myfeet are so pampered that I'd be
like, yeah, here's my prettyfucking toes.
SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
You're gonna get the let's have a look.
SPEAKER_03 (12:02):
But anyway, okay, pedicures, foot fetish.
Okay, so you're very kinky inthe uh in your background.
So um the current relationshipthat you're in right now with
your partner, uh, is that acuckolding relationship?
How did that come about?
SPEAKER_01 (12:21):
Uh no, not not in certainly not intentionally.
It was we got together twentysomething years ago.
She's older than she's olderthan me by eight years or so.
Um and we both had previousrelationships.
(12:42):
Um I'd been married, split upwith my wife.
Um she'd been married forsimilar length of time to myself
actually.
Her husband, ex-husband had hadan affair with a woman and left
her for the for this woman.
And um they got divorced, we gottogether six years later, I
(13:07):
think.
And um and then it was w whenthings started to get a bit more
serious and we actually moved intogether, it was kind of brought
up, I suppose, that because wetalked a lot about previous
relationships and what hadhappened, was that you know,
infidelity wasn't a part of myrelationship, but it turned out
(13:27):
it was in hers.
And she always just said that ifshe hadn't found out she kind of
wouldn't have minded, whichsounds like a really bit of a
weird thing to say.
But because how would you mindif you didn't know?
SPEAKER_04 (13:39):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:40):
You know.
But the other side of it, when Iheard that, I thought, she
actually saying it's okay.
Right, like she could have a bitof a green light.
But not necessarily for me.
SPEAKER_02 (13:58):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (13:59):
Could be for either of us to say it's actually okay
if you do that.
SPEAKER_02 (14:03):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (14:04):
It's not a problem.
That's for either of us, notjust for me.
Didn't really think too much ofit.
In fact, I didn't think anythingof it.
Because I didn't expect her togo off with anybody else.
And gen and I don't do thatanyway.
SPEAKER_02 (14:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
I'm pretty monogamous.
So it's not really in mywheelhouse either.
So just didn't really thinkanything of it.
And and that was the end ofthat.
Uh but we carried on.
We moved in, we had a great umfabulous sex life.
She's not in the slightest bitkinky, by the way.
(14:43):
Not even not even that much.
Oh.
Just no kink in therewhatsoever.
SPEAKER_03 (14:49):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (14:49):
Um, but she does have amazing feet.
SPEAKER_03 (14:52):
Okay, I knew there was a catch.
There's gotta be some drawthere.
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
Amazing feet.
Amazing.
Um but anyway, they didn'treally particularly form a
particularly big part of the ofthe uh of the sex life anyway,
but I guess as things um bringme back on track if I go off, by
the way, but as thingsprogressed, and I I don't know
(15:19):
how many years later it was, buther mother initially uh lived
with us, and she moved out intoa flat of her own, sheltered
accommodation, which was three,four hours away from here, to be
near her son, and um and so mypartner used to go go and see
(15:41):
her every three to four weeks,stay with her for four days,
sometimes a bit longer, and thatcarried on for as long as it
carried on for, didn't reallythink anything of it, she was
just gonna go and stay with hermother, and when she came home,
she was how do I put it, hornyas hell is probably the best way
to put it.
She had a very active sex life,so she'd come back, come through
(16:05):
the door.
Basically, the first thing thatwas needed wasn't to, you know,
get some coffee or whatever, ithas to go you know straight down
to the to the business.
Let's get interested.
So there was nothing unusual inany of in any of that.
Um and something which I didn'trealise at the time, but
(16:26):
something changed slightly inthat habit, in that it was it
was a habit, she'd come home,we'd go, we'd have sex straight
away virtually.
But what happened was on oneoccasion she came home and she
wanted um she wanted me to giveher oral sex straight away
(16:48):
instead of the usual straightsex.
And I thought I thought that'sfine.
No problem with that, obviously.
So that's that's all great, andI didn't notice anything in
particular that first time andthen the second time she came
home, same thing again, and Ithought, hmm, something slightly
(17:09):
different here in terms of theway things normally the way
things normally taste.
And uh anyway, we just got busyand just carried on.
And uh and then the more Ithought about it and the way
that things were kind ofdeveloping, the more I began to
think, I wonder, and my mindthen went back to the
(17:32):
conversation that we'd hadseveral years earlier about
perhaps it you know being openthat we can effectively um play
away from home.
As long as the other doesn'tfind out.
SPEAKER_04 (17:46):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (17:49):
So this is where the conversation we had previously
before we started recording wasto bring up in a second, that's
where that plays into this.
So it became obvious after awhile that yes, she was uh going
away to her mother's, maybe,probably not on every occasion,
(18:11):
going to her mother's, going tosee somebody else, having sex
with him before she came home,she would clearly have had sex
with him, that became veryobvious that she's had sex
before she left him, came back,and then wanted me to do the
dirty work.
(18:31):
The cleanup correct and thatsent her through the roof.
SPEAKER_03 (18:38):
But so it was a huge deal.
It was so good for her.
SPEAKER_01 (18:42):
And when I realised it was for me, it just became an
incredibly erotic thing to dothat somehow seemed to put an
extra spark into what wasalready a good sex life.
It added something extra.
SPEAKER_03 (19:01):
Oh, I can imagine.
SPEAKER_01 (19:05):
Well you can.
But it was something to say thatwas never we both knew that we
knew.
So I think again, going back tothe previous about saying we
didn't ever discuss it betweenus because we both knew.
SPEAKER_03 (19:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
Okay, even though you But if the other but if if
neither of us found out that wewere playing away from home, it
would be fine.
So we didn't discuss it.
SPEAKER_03 (19:42):
Would it have been terrible though if you did talk
about it?
SPEAKER_01 (19:47):
Probably not.
SPEAKER_03 (19:49):
But it I guess that just worked to the angst of not
the angst, but like the thethrill of it is that you're not
talking about it.
SPEAKER_01 (19:59):
Yeah, I think so, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (20:00):
Yeah.
Because if you talked about it,then it would just be like this
this thing and it'd be fun andeverything like that.
SPEAKER_01 (20:06):
But the excitement of guessing And there would be
the temptation to probablydiscuss it more and find out
about him.
SPEAKER_03 (20:18):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
Didn't really want to know about him.
SPEAKER_03 (20:21):
You didn't?
Okay, that would be too much.
SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
And I don't think she wanted to tell me either.
SPEAKER_03 (20:32):
Oh wow.
Okay, and so when you first mether though, and you had this
like, you know, long history ofBDSM experience and stuff like
that, did she did she know thatabout you?
She were aware that you're verykinky?
SPEAKER_01 (20:49):
She knew she knew some of it, but it closed down
fairly quick when she had ashe's she's a very visually a
very attractive woman.
So a number of years ago whenshe was much younger, she'd been
approached by a company thatmanufactured fetishware to do
(21:12):
some modelling.
And she said, bit of fun.
I've never done that kind ofthing before, I'll do it.
She's got an amazing, amazingfigure.
It was LaTeX they wanted her towear, and she had a bad
experience during the course ofof that.
So she kind of I think tarredeverybody that was in that
(21:33):
scene, even though maybe theyeven weren't in the scene as
such, they were justmanufacturers of products.
But I think it seriously put heroff getting involved with with
that scene.
So it was never really broughtinto our our play, if you like,
as part of our sex.
And we didn't need it, to behonest.
(21:54):
Would have been nice maybe ifsometimes it was there, but we
didn't really need it.
We eventually found another wayto get kinky.
SPEAKER_03 (22:02):
I know.
This is wild to me because likeI've heard this similar story so
many times from guys where thisis their origin story, where
they will be, you know, withintimately with their their
girlfriend or wife, and go downon her and notice something's
(22:22):
different.
And there's two ways to react tothat, right?
Like there's, you know, thatcould be potentially really
dangerous, where he like flipsout and gets violent and can't
handle it.
Like that's just like death,like really awful.
Or there's the cuck way to dealwith it, which is like be so
(22:44):
turned on by this.
How did you know for surethough?
Because like women's pussiestaste different depending on the
pH, like it can be aesthetic,basic, whatever, right?
Like, how do you know?
SPEAKER_01 (22:58):
You you've you've tasted the stuff, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_03 (23:01):
Unfortunately.
SPEAKER_01 (23:02):
It's not, it's the they don't taste the same.
It's fairly obvious.
I guess so.
When there's when there's stillsome residue.
SPEAKER_03 (23:15):
And did you notice that she was just like like
stretched out or like just likeI don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (23:22):
No, well I don't rather really take a bunch of
notice of that.
You know, when you when you'rereally busy and you're focused
on what you're doing.
SPEAKER_03 (23:29):
True.
unknown (23:30):
True.
SPEAKER_03 (23:30):
You should be.
SPEAKER_01 (23:31):
Those sorts of details.
Exactly.
No, but yeah, I think it goes itit goes way back to you know me
saying that my my natural um mynatural position, if you like,
in in a a BDSM relationship isis as submissive.
I have always forever through myfirst marriage, even though that
(23:53):
was uh straight down the line,there was no kink involved in
that whatsoever.
Um the in-between part, if youlike, between the relationships,
when I was involved with womenwho were dominant sexually, I've
always been the one who's had toplease in order to get pleasure.
(24:14):
So it doesn't matter who I'mhaving sex with.
If I don't if I don't orgasm,let's say, not an issue.
As long as, let's say, you do,then my work is done.
SPEAKER_03 (24:28):
Okay, she had to be tuned into that, right?
She had to know that youwouldn't like flip out if you
did suspect that probably.
SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
It was probably a bit of a chance that she took.
Well, not a bit of a chance,probably a big chance.
SPEAKER_03 (24:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:45):
But had a clue that that I wouldn't.
SPEAKER_03 (24:48):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
Because I am such a I mean that again, it's it's
like the feet thing.
You know, you don't get youdon't get that many dominant men
that are into that are intofeet.
They're always nearly alwayssubmissive.
You might be an admirer, but youthey're nearly always
submissive.
Men that want to handle and toworship worship women's feet.
(25:08):
They're submissive.
And they want to give pleasure.
And that's just me.
So if I didn't ever orgasmduring sex, it's not a problem
for me, as long as my partnerdoes.
And she gets the best possibleexperience.
And I've always been like that,and I think that's why this
(25:29):
wasn't quite the the punt thatshe took.
SPEAKER_03 (25:35):
Right.
So I want to know, I'm not acuck, I don't understand
entirely what it what it feelslike to go down on the woman who
you love and to taste anotherman in her pussy.
I don't know what that does toyou mentally and physically.
(25:55):
I can only guess.
And I I can only go by, youknow, witnessing what it's like
for guys and what turns theseguys on.
What exactly was it like foryou?
Did you like were you so did ittake you to a different level of
being turned on, the mentalaspect of it?
Or kind of, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
It's it's a lot to do with being being told and
being not exactly you can't sayfalse, because it's not a false
situation, but coerced if youlike.
SPEAKER_04 (26:25):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (26:26):
So and again, that comes down to the submission
side.
SPEAKER_04 (26:30):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (26:31):
So you're telling me, whether physically or
verbally, what you want me todo, therefore, that's what you
need, therefore I will do it tomake you happy.
Yes, simple.
SPEAKER_03 (26:41):
Yes, and this is why you see this theme in cuck porn
and cuck porn memes and fantasyuh stuff online when it comes to
cuck holding, you see this themeof like uh the unwilling.
No, I don't want to sayunwilling, but what's the right
word?
Like it's the it's you are notyou're not forced, but she's
(27:03):
just doing this to you.
You she's going to cuck you.
Like my first cuck boyfriend hadthis fantasy of like our first
date.
I would, without talking aboutit, just bring it, have another
guy there and like cuck him onthe first date.
And there wouldn't be anydiscussion about it.
There would be, and yeah, it wasit was super hot to talk about
this and everything like that.
And it was like, oh my god,that's so hot and everything
(27:26):
like that.
But realistically, you have tohave a fucking conversation
about it first, especially whenyou barely even know this
person.
Um, but it is like such a thing.
Like you hear about cucks beingquote unquote forced into this,
but it's such a turn on forthem.
SPEAKER_01 (27:43):
So is it just like generally going to be forced
into doing anything?
No, they're they're doing itbecause they want to.
Because they want notnecessarily because they want to
do that act that you want themto do, whatever it is, whether
it's watching you with somebodyelse or whether it's cleaning
you up afterwards or whatever itis, it's because you get
pleasure out of it.
(28:04):
You get pleasure out of themdoing it.
That's what well, it's what doesit for me.
I can't say what that's whatdoes it for everybody else, but
it's because you get thepleasure out of it.
So the fact that yes, she'd beenand done that with somebody else
means why didn't I get pissedoff about that?
(28:24):
Because I know she came back sobloody horny, yeah, that she'd
enjoyed herself so much thattime that she wanted to then
share that with me.
SPEAKER_03 (28:35):
Right, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (28:36):
And enjoy it, and then and enjoy the fact that now
she's gonna invite me into that,if you like.
SPEAKER_03 (28:43):
Right.
Okay, okay.
I'm so glad you said thatbecause I have heard of stories
of uh married couples who hereally wants her to sleep with
other guys.
He gives her what's called ahall pass, right?
You can go sleep with whoeveryou want.
So she does that, but shedoesn't tell him about it and
(29:04):
she doesn't share any of theexperience or anything like
that.
Basically, he's in the dark theentire time.
He's not involved in any way.
And it, yes, I guess she'scuckolding him in some way, but
like he it's uh reallyunfulfilling.
But in her case, with yourpartner, she wanted to be with
you afterwards.
(29:24):
It was something that fueled thedesire in your own intimacy
together.
SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Yeah, so it's still kind of a shared experience.
SPEAKER_03 (29:33):
It is, even though you guys didn't talk about it.
SPEAKER_01 (29:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:37):
What is this called?
Should we call it stealthycuckolding or something?
SPEAKER_01 (29:42):
Yeah, right?
Yeah, that could that could be athing.
It's stealthy, it could be a newthing.
SPEAKER_03 (29:48):
It got there because it needs a name.
There's it's a it's such athing.
Um okay.
SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
Now you're pissed off because you've never done
that.
You've always been too upfrontabout.
SPEAKER_03 (30:00):
It right.
I have.
SPEAKER_01 (30:02):
It's you can love to try it.
SPEAKER_03 (30:04):
That would be so fun.
SPEAKER_01 (30:07):
You just need a new boyfriend or husband, partner.
SPEAKER_03 (30:11):
Yeah, just need that aspect of it.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
Small matter.
SPEAKER_03 (30:14):
Damn it.
Small matter, yeah.
Shit.
But it does sound so fun.
No, no joke.
I would fucking love that.
Because it's such a mental mindfuck.
If I went and fucked somebodyelse and then I didn't tell my
husband, and then I just camehome and I like pushed his face
between my thighs, and I wouldjust like smile at him.
Like, is he gonna figure it out?
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
That's a well, that's exactly it, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (30:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
And the thing is that when he does figure it out,
which he would, you would getthe best you've ever had.
SPEAKER_03 (30:48):
Oh, oh, absolutely.
And that's what I love aboutcucks.
Nobody gets more turned on thana cuck in peak cuck mode.
Like they are something else.
Oh my god.
That's what hooked me in rightin the very beginning when I
first learned about that.
I was like, oh my god, I'venever seen a guy lose his mind
like this before.
This is awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
Yeah, as long as I think it it's it's like what I
tried to put up one side yearsago was put it in a box over
there somewhere, is trying tofigure out, try and figure it
out.
Why do you why do you like this?
Why do you like that?
Why do you like feet?
Why do people like this, that,and the other?
Who cares?
SPEAKER_02 (31:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
Why try and figure out the psychology of it?
I'm not a psychiatrist or apsychologist.
I've not don't want to know,frankly, and try and work out
why.
I just think it's enjoyable, solet's do it.
SPEAKER_03 (31:41):
Exactly.
And that's why I over the yearsI've had a gazillion cucks like
out asking me all the time,like, you know, why am I into
this?
Is it normal to be into this?
Like, and trying to dissectthat.
I'm like, who gives a shit?
It's fun.
SPEAKER_01 (31:54):
Like I say, it's not it's not normal.
That's a fact.
SPEAKER_03 (31:57):
Well, it's not yeah, it's definitely outside of the
box of normal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not normal, but but to alot of people, that's that's the
allure of it, the taboo of it,right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:10):
People like it not being normal.
SPEAKER_03 (32:12):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (32:13):
Um being different.
SPEAKER_03 (32:16):
So is your partner still going and sleeping with
this other guy?
SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
Unfortunately, no.
SPEAKER_03 (32:22):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (32:23):
He um I I think he uh m met his maker.
Oh three years ago.
So it all stopped.
And she's older than me.
You can see roughly how old Iam.
Um she's probably eight yearsolder than me, so that let's say
the fire isn't there anymore.
SPEAKER_03 (32:40):
Right.
So how long did it last thoughwhen when she was going and
sleeping with this other guy?
SPEAKER_01 (32:47):
It's probably about eight years, I think.
SPEAKER_03 (32:49):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01 (32:50):
So a decent length of time.
SPEAKER_03 (32:52):
Yeah.
And you guys never talked aboutit.
unknown (32:55):
No.
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (32:58):
Still haven't.
SPEAKER_03 (32:59):
You still haven't?
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (33:04):
You know.
SPEAKER_03 (33:05):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Um, wow, that's that is reallyamazing.
Okay.
I have a feeling some of thelisteners might be asking this
one question or wanting to knowthe answer to this one question.
Because you hadn't talked aboutit, but you suspected it.
And clearly her, this guy thatshe was sleeping with was not
(33:28):
using a condom for you.
What was like, was there aconcern around STIs?
Was that something you thoughtabout?
SPEAKER_01 (33:38):
I suppose that's a fair question, and the answer
should have been should be uhyes.
I think in the moment I shouldhave been concerned, but in the
moment, especially for the firstcouple of times, I didn't
realise what was going onanyway.
SPEAKER_04 (33:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:54):
Um I had to completely trust that she knew
exactly who she was.
SPEAKER_03 (34:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (34:01):
Having sex with.
So that I yeah, I just had totrust her on that one.
Yeah, because I could I mean itcould have been I mean, for all
I know, it could have beenmultiple individuals.
Well, it wasn't.
I have no doubt about that, justbecause the type of person that
she is.
SPEAKER_02 (34:20):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (34:21):
So it could but I mean it it could, I suppose
theoretically, it could havebeen dozens.
SPEAKER_03 (34:28):
Right.
You'll never know.
SPEAKER_01 (34:30):
Could have been.
No?
No.
Well, I I have every confidencethat that it wasn't.
I wish you had an asked bit ofquestion now.
SPEAKER_03 (34:39):
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (34:40):
But I'm here, I'm fine, and I have as far as I'm
aware.
Yeah, well, I asked aboutunscathed.
SPEAKER_03 (34:47):
I asked because that's kind of like one of those
basic parts of the conversationthat a couple would have before
they would get into cuckoldingis the rules and the parameters
around sleeping with other guysin safety when it comes to um
health and safety.
So uh so if you haven't had theconversation, I guess you do
just have to trust your partner.
(35:07):
And if you've been together fora long time, then I think that
you would have to have thattrust as a baseline, an unspoken
baseline anyway.
SPEAKER_04 (35:16):
Oh, correct.
SPEAKER_03 (35:17):
Yeah.
Um so your story is prettyunique in that you you guys
still you didn't talk about it,you still haven't talked about
it, but it is very muchcuckolding.
Like that that is very muchcuckolding.
And uh would you say that it'ssomething that you like a type
(35:38):
of cuckolding or a a pathwaythrough cuckolding that you
would recommend to othercouples, or no?
SPEAKER_01 (35:45):
Well, I I I yeah, I would.
Well, wouldn't I?
I'd say I'd do it again.
SPEAKER_03 (35:49):
Yeah, you would be like, sign me up.
SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
Of course I would.
I'd be that'd be yeah, I'd belying on flat on my back any day
of the week, no problem.
Um yeah, it's just how do youmanufacture it?
You know, these are these arethings that I think in that in
that world, I mean you knowbetter than I, but it it it's an
incredibly difficult subjectapproach, yeah.
(36:11):
Unless you are when you firstget together, you're two very
sexually open-mindedindividuals, and you you you
probably know that beforehand,and you can quite happily have
those types of conversations.
But I think most people aren'tlike that.
It remains in the realms offantasy, probably mostly for the
male rather than the rather thanthe female, because that's just
(36:34):
men because we're weirddeviants.
Um but but I think it does so toto bring up a subject and then
to try and make it try andalmost force it to that to
happen, yeah.
It's that that's gonna causemore problems than than you can
possibly imagine, isn't it?
You filthy little bastard.
(36:57):
Well it just is that's the kindof reaction you're gonna get,
isn't it?
That's why people are soreluctant to bring these things
up, and that goes for eitherside.
SPEAKER_03 (37:04):
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (37:06):
If somebody's wife comes home and says she wanted
to have sex with multiple men,most men go through the roof to
go go bonkers.
SPEAKER_04 (37:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:15):
I knew a guy many years ago.
I was in the I was in theforces.
He he went he went home fromwork one day and found his wife
in bed with another woman.
Now, for most for most men, he'ssaying fantastic.
SPEAKER_03 (37:29):
Yeah, I mean joined in.
SPEAKER_01 (37:31):
Yeah, what did you do, Tom?
Did you jump on the did you jumpon the bed with him?
No, I threw her out.
SPEAKER_02 (37:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
Got divorced.
But that is the actual reaction,that's the reality of it.
The fantasy is that you jump onthe bed with them.
SPEAKER_02 (37:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:45):
Yeah, the reality is not that at all.
So I think it it's there'sprobably not that many couples
out there that or a smallpercentage of the population of
couples that are out theregenuinely cock holding.
(38:05):
Most of it's probably fantasy, Iwould imagine.
And um because it's sodifficult.
Yeah.
I I don't know, I would neverhave had the conversation, I
know that.
SPEAKER_03 (38:17):
You wouldn't.
SPEAKER_01 (38:18):
Nah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:19):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (38:20):
It wasn't really I don't think it was actually it
wasn't really on my bucket listanyway.
SPEAKER_03 (38:26):
Yeah, it's not it, it's not like it was a big
driver for you.
I mean the the the situationthat happened with you very much
suited who you were, as far aslike it was about her pleasure
and stuff.
Like you loved it, but this wasnot something you had fantasized
about forever, right?
SPEAKER_01 (38:41):
That's right, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:42):
So you natur very much naturally just got cucked.
SPEAKER_01 (38:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:47):
Without driving it in that direction in any way.
SPEAKER_01 (38:51):
There was no nothing you I'm gonna get so many
messages going, you lucky.
SPEAKER_03 (38:58):
Right?
I know.
There's all these cucks outthere going, how the fuck do I
get my wife to do this?
And then your partner, she justshe didn't she just did it.
SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
It's obviously in in her mind, yeah, but not in mine.
unknown (39:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:17):
Which is actually probably something I've just
contradicting what I've said.
Yeah, because that would beprobably being cooked as more of
a male fantasy than a female.
It turns out I ended up with theone, the female who fantasized
about it.
SPEAKER_03 (39:31):
Yeah, and like I said, this is a uh such a
fantasy for so many guys outthere is that this exact
situation will happen.
And they have spent, I mean,probably a gazillion hours out
there wanking to this fantasy ofexactly what happened to you.
SPEAKER_01 (39:50):
Maybe that's the effect your podcast will have.
SPEAKER_03 (39:54):
I'm sure it will.
Maybe this will inspire some ofthe women listening to that this
is a fun little thing to do withyour uh partner if if he would
have a good reaction to it.
That's that's the thing.
SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
Well, you g yeah, actually you you might have a
good you might have a goodpoint.
There might be um an opportunityto have some sort of group
discussion with ladies whofantasize about that, but would
like to see it from a man'sperspective before they actually
do it, before they try it out.
SPEAKER_03 (40:30):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (40:31):
One of the pitfalls, potentially.
SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
Exactly.
Yes.
Yeah.
Because I definitely think it'shot as fuck.
I mean, that's just a mind fuckthat uh is one of those things
that would really um make itmore thrilling and angsty for a
cuck.
And I happen to really lovethat.
There must be other women outthere who would really get off
on that as well.
SPEAKER_01 (40:55):
Well, the other thing is there's an element of
control to it, isn't there?
Oh, absolutely.
Not just from from the point ofview that you could you could
say to your husband, I'm goingaway this weekend with the
girls.
You go away for the weekend withthe girls.
He doesn't know whether you'vegone away for the weekend with
the girls or not.
(41:15):
Or whether you've gone somewhereelse.
So when you're com when you comeback, he has got he's only got
one expectation.
That you've not been away withthe girls.
That's what he really hopes.
SPEAKER_02 (41:26):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:28):
But maybe you have been away with the girl.
And how disappointed is he gonnabe?
So you're fucking with his mindby doing that.
SPEAKER_03 (41:38):
Absolutely.
I I recommended somethingexactly like that for all of the
couples out there where thewoman absolutely does not want
to sleep with other guys.
She can still fuck with him inexactly that way.
Go away with the girls and ttext him about how hot the
bartender is, and then justleave him on red for the rest of
the night.
SPEAKER_01 (41:59):
And the other thing, of course, she should do in
reality is to lock him up.
SPEAKER_03 (42:03):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (42:05):
Just to make things even worse for him at home.
SPEAKER_03 (42:10):
But like, there's so much you can have fun, like so
many ways you can have fun likethat.
So I think that's fantastic.
Oh, I hope I'm inspiring, I hopewe are inspiring all the ladies
listening right now.
So, all for all the cuggyhusbands who are listening right
now, make sure you send thisepisode to your partner.
Uh she might get excited aboutthat.
SPEAKER_01 (42:30):
Do we know how many people are listening to this?
SPEAKER_03 (42:33):
Um, well, there's uh uh uh millions around the world,
so yeah.
What?
unknown (42:39):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (42:40):
Oh my gosh.
Like I think it's over like fourmillion or something like that,
like that.
SPEAKER_01 (42:45):
Don't get my email address, will you?
unknown (42:47):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (42:49):
But it's mostly guys listening to this show.
It's like 87% men.
So uh shocker.
Um that's why I'm saying that.
Right.
That's why I'm saying for youguys who are listening, just
send this one to your partner orlisten to this one together and
know that this is a fun littleway that you can experiment uh
(43:11):
with the whole cuckoldingfantasy.
Um, okay, before I wrap this up,is there anywhere that you want
people to be able to contactyou?
I'm assuming people are going tohave questions for you or
comments about this show.
SPEAKER_01 (43:27):
Uh easiest place is probably FatLife.
Okay.
I will you've got my Yeah, Ibelieve I do.
SPEAKER_03 (43:37):
If uh, but I will post that uh that FatLife
profile in the link for today'sshow notes, so make sure you
check that out.
And um, Carl, do you have anylast thoughts or words of wisdom
that you would like to includebefore we wrap this up?
SPEAKER_01 (43:53):
I'll just give it a go.
Just give it a go.
SPEAKER_03 (43:57):
I love it.
Yeah, thank you so much forbeing on the show today.
It's been such a fun timechatting with you.
SPEAKER_01 (44:04):
I've enjoyed it too.
Thanks, Lisa.
SPEAKER_03 (44:08):
That's gonna be it for today's episode.
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(44:51):
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SPEAKER_01 (00:06):
On one occasion she came home and she wanted um she
wanted me to give her oral sexstraight away instead of the
usual straight sex.
And I thought that's fine.
But probably that obviously.
So that's that's all great.
And I didn't notice anything inparticular that first time.
(00:28):
And then the second time, shecame home, same thing again, and
I thought, hmm, somethingslightly different here in terms
of the way things normally theway things normally taste.
And uh anyway, we just got busyand just carried on.
SPEAKER_03 (01:02):
This is the Venus Cuckolders Podcast, a place to
learn all things cuckolding forthe curious, for the passionate,
and for the sexually empoweredwoman who wants it all.
SPEAKER_04 (01:28):
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SPEAKER_03 (01:29):
Welcome to the show.
I'm your host, Venus.
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When you taste another maninside your wife.
Surprise! It's surprisinglycommon and um not gonna lie,
(01:50):
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So I think you're gonna likethis story today.
It's a really good one.
We're also talking about footfetishes as well.
Um, but before we get into it, Ihave an important announcement.
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(02:11):
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(02:32):
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(02:55):
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(03:38):
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(04:01):
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(04:24):
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My show just got announced, uh,or just got announced that my
(05:08):
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(05:29):
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(05:50):
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SPEAKER_03 (06:44):
Joining me on the show, I have Carl, and I'm
really excited for this story.
This is going to be a good one.
Welcome to the show, Carl.
Say hello to all of thelisteners.
SPEAKER_01 (06:55):
Thank you, Venus.
Very nice to uh very nice tomeet you.
And uh good afternoon, goodmorning, good evening, everybody
out there listening in.
SPEAKER_03 (07:05):
Yeah, so I had put a message out on FetLife uh
looking for guests for the showto talk about post-not regret.
But I'm so glad Carl got a holdof me because this story, this
story is so good, and I know youguys are gonna love it.
Because I've heard similarthemes uh with this over the
(07:26):
years, and I'm not gonna lie,it's hot as fuck.
But before we jump into the hotjuicy part, let's start off by
talking a little bit about uhyour story.
How did you get to where you aretoday, Carl?
I understand that you have a lotof experience in the BDSM world,
is that right?
SPEAKER_01 (07:47):
Yeah, I mean I've I've I've been involved probably
since I was about late twenties,I guess.
But um even prior to that, to beto be honest, I I had um I
probably didn't know it at thetime, but when I was early
teens, I had a foot and shoefetish.
I didn't realise it was that atthe time, I don't think, until
(08:10):
much later on.
Um but I've been involved, yeah,on and off in BDSM probably
since yeah, late twenties Iwould guess.
Um I've done some professionalshoots video and still not many
with a couple of um quiteprominent dominatrixes.
(08:33):
I did that for fun because Ienjoyed doing it.
Um not for the not for thesexual thrill.
I actually enjoyed actuallymaking those videos and doing
the shoots.
I just thought it was an awfullot of fun.
I've covered quite a wide umspectrum in terms of pretty much
everything that BDSM has tooffer, but there were certain
things that I was definitely notgoing down that route because I
(08:57):
just didn't didn't do anythingfor me like it like with anybody
else.
Um and eventually it was kind ofnarrowed down into the more
sensual side of BDSM, which tobe fair has nearly always
revolved around shoes and feet,worship, submission, that kind
of thing.
You know, usual, nothing,nothing unusual in in my
(09:20):
preferences from that point ofview, and it is actually
probably the most popular, mostprominent fetish, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (09:27):
Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
Particularly shoes and feet.
And that's one of the thingsthat actually on Fet Life I'm
probably, dare I say, extremelywell known for, if you look me
up.
Very well known for.
SPEAKER_03 (09:39):
You're the foot guy.
SPEAKER_01 (09:42):
That's me.
SPEAKER_03 (09:44):
Yeah, it's so common, actually.
My my first house boy was uh uhuh I call him foot boy because
that was his um his fetish wasuh around feet, but he had a
whole bunch of other kinkythings that he was into.
He's nasty, but um he I mean ina great way.
Um but he he um he loved feet.
(10:04):
He and that and ever since thenI absolutely like adore guys who
like feet.
I mean, it's just so so sexythat's a foot washer.
SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
Most women don't realize what what they have.
I know what you can actually dowith them.
I know, I know with the the thepleasure that could be given
just with with hands alone isoff the scale if you know how to
manipulate them properly.
And that's where the pleasureis.
(10:35):
Yes, so my pleasure is for thegiver.
SPEAKER_03 (10:39):
My new house boy, he I had him do some foot worship
the last time he came over uh todo some pussy worship.
But anyway, um maybe he needs totake some some notes from you
because like he was pretty goodat the the foot worship foot
worship, but he's so keen tolearn.
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
Reflexology, that's where it's at.
SPEAKER_03 (10:59):
It's really oh yeah.
Well, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (11:02):
He needs to need to do a reflexology course on it.
He will send you through theroof in no time.
SPEAKER_03 (11:09):
Really?
SPEAKER_01 (11:10):
Oh, yeah, that's probably another conversation.
SPEAKER_03 (11:12):
Yeah, I think so.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (11:14):
I could I could do a course.
SPEAKER_03 (11:17):
You should.
Yes, absolutely.
That would be so great becauseyeah, there's a lot to learn
when it comes to um footworship.
But yeah, damn, is it evergreat?
If there's any ladies listeningout there and you're like kind
of like, oh, I've never, I don'tknow what that's all about, the
whole like having a guy worshipyour feet.
It is fucking fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (11:37):
Like missed out, but some don't like them touched,
you don't like it to go anywherenear them.
SPEAKER_03 (11:42):
Which is weird.
Like, I love going and gettingpedicures on the regular, like
that's my thing.
So I would, I mean, maybe if Ididn't go get pedicures, I'd be
like, my I don't know, but myfeet are so pampered that I'd be
like, yeah, here's my prettyfucking toes.
SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
You're gonna get the let's have a look.
SPEAKER_03 (12:02):
But anyway, okay, pedicures, foot fetish.
Okay, so you're very kinky inthe uh in your background.
So um the current relationshipthat you're in right now with
your partner, uh, is that acuckolding relationship?
How did that come about?
SPEAKER_01 (12:21):
Uh no, not not in certainly not intentionally.
It was we got together twentysomething years ago.
She's older than she's olderthan me by eight years or so.
Um and we both had previousrelationships.
(12:42):
Um I'd been married, split upwith my wife.
Um she'd been married forsimilar length of time to myself
actually.
Her husband, ex-husband had hadan affair with a woman and left
her for the for this woman.
And um they got divorced, we gottogether six years later, I
(13:07):
think.
And um and then it was w whenthings started to get a bit more
serious and we actually moved intogether, it was kind of brought
up, I suppose, that because wetalked a lot about previous
relationships and what hadhappened, was that you know,
infidelity wasn't a part of myrelationship, but it turned out
(13:27):
it was in hers.
And she always just said that ifshe hadn't found out she kind of
wouldn't have minded, whichsounds like a really bit of a
weird thing to say.
But because how would you mindif you didn't know?
SPEAKER_04 (13:39):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:40):
You know.
But the other side of it, when Iheard that, I thought, she
actually saying it's okay.
Right, like she could have a bitof a green light.
But not necessarily for me.
SPEAKER_02 (13:58):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (13:59):
Could be for either of us to say it's actually okay
if you do that.
SPEAKER_02 (14:03):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (14:04):
It's not a problem.
That's for either of us, notjust for me.
Didn't really think too much ofit.
In fact, I didn't think anythingof it.
Because I didn't expect her togo off with anybody else.
And gen and I don't do thatanyway.
SPEAKER_02 (14:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
I'm pretty monogamous.
So it's not really in mywheelhouse either.
So just didn't really thinkanything of it.
And and that was the end ofthat.
Uh but we carried on.
We moved in, we had a great umfabulous sex life.
She's not in the slightest bitkinky, by the way.
(14:43):
Not even not even that much.
Oh.
Just no kink in therewhatsoever.
SPEAKER_03 (14:49):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (14:49):
Um, but she does have amazing feet.
SPEAKER_03 (14:52):
Okay, I knew there was a catch.
There's gotta be some drawthere.
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
Amazing feet.
Amazing.
Um but anyway, they didn'treally particularly form a
particularly big part of the ofthe uh of the sex life anyway,
but I guess as things um bringme back on track if I go off, by
the way, but as thingsprogressed, and I I don't know
(15:19):
how many years later it was, buther mother initially uh lived
with us, and she moved out intoa flat of her own, sheltered
accommodation, which was three,four hours away from here, to be
near her son, and um and so mypartner used to go go and see
(15:41):
her every three to four weeks,stay with her for four days,
sometimes a bit longer, and thatcarried on for as long as it
carried on for, didn't reallythink anything of it, she was
just gonna go and stay with hermother, and when she came home,
she was how do I put it, hornyas hell is probably the best way
to put it.
She had a very active sex life,so she'd come back, come through
(16:05):
the door.
Basically, the first thing thatwas needed wasn't to, you know,
get some coffee or whatever, ithas to go you know straight down
to the to the business.
Let's get interested.
So there was nothing unusual inany of in any of that.
Um and something which I didn'trealise at the time, but
(16:26):
something changed slightly inthat habit, in that it was it
was a habit, she'd come home,we'd go, we'd have sex straight
away virtually.
But what happened was on oneoccasion she came home and she
wanted um she wanted me to giveher oral sex straight away
(16:48):
instead of the usual straightsex.
And I thought I thought that'sfine.
No problem with that, obviously.
So that's that's all great, andI didn't notice anything in
particular that first time andthen the second time she came
home, same thing again, and Ithought, hmm, something slightly
(17:09):
different here in terms of theway things normally the way
things normally taste.
And uh anyway, we just got busyand just carried on.
And uh and then the more Ithought about it and the way
that things were kind ofdeveloping, the more I began to
think, I wonder, and my mindthen went back to the
(17:32):
conversation that we'd hadseveral years earlier about
perhaps it you know being openthat we can effectively um play
away from home.
As long as the other doesn'tfind out.
SPEAKER_04 (17:46):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (17:49):
So this is where the conversation we had previously
before we started recording wasto bring up in a second, that's
where that plays into this.
So it became obvious after awhile that yes, she was uh going
away to her mother's, maybe,probably not on every occasion,
(18:11):
going to her mother's, going tosee somebody else, having sex
with him before she came home,she would clearly have had sex
with him, that became veryobvious that she's had sex
before she left him, came back,and then wanted me to do the
dirty work.
(18:31):
The cleanup correct and thatsent her through the roof.
SPEAKER_03 (18:38):
But so it was a huge deal.
It was so good for her.
SPEAKER_01 (18:42):
And when I realised it was for me, it just became an
incredibly erotic thing to dothat somehow seemed to put an
extra spark into what wasalready a good sex life.
It added something extra.
SPEAKER_03 (19:01):
Oh, I can imagine.
SPEAKER_01 (19:05):
Well you can.
But it was something to say thatwas never we both knew that we
knew.
So I think again, going back tothe previous about saying we
didn't ever discuss it betweenus because we both knew.
SPEAKER_03 (19:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
Okay, even though you But if the other but if if
neither of us found out that wewere playing away from home, it
would be fine.
So we didn't discuss it.
SPEAKER_03 (19:42):
Would it have been terrible though if you did talk
about it?
SPEAKER_01 (19:47):
Probably not.
SPEAKER_03 (19:49):
But it I guess that just worked to the angst of not
the angst, but like the thethrill of it is that you're not
talking about it.
SPEAKER_01 (19:59):
Yeah, I think so, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (20:00):
Yeah.
Because if you talked about it,then it would just be like this
this thing and it'd be fun andeverything like that.
SPEAKER_01 (20:06):
But the excitement of guessing And there would be
the temptation to probablydiscuss it more and find out
about him.
SPEAKER_03 (20:18):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
Didn't really want to know about him.
SPEAKER_03 (20:21):
You didn't?
Okay, that would be too much.
SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
And I don't think she wanted to tell me either.
SPEAKER_03 (20:32):
Oh wow.
Okay, and so when you first mether though, and you had this
like, you know, long history ofBDSM experience and stuff like
that, did she did she know thatabout you?
She were aware that you're verykinky?
SPEAKER_01 (20:49):
She knew she knew some of it, but it closed down
fairly quick when she had ashe's she's a very visually a
very attractive woman.
So a number of years ago whenshe was much younger, she'd been
approached by a company thatmanufactured fetishware to do
(21:12):
some modelling.
And she said, bit of fun.
I've never done that kind ofthing before, I'll do it.
She's got an amazing, amazingfigure.
It was LaTeX they wanted her towear, and she had a bad
experience during the course ofof that.
So she kind of I think tarredeverybody that was in that
(21:33):
scene, even though maybe theyeven weren't in the scene as
such, they were justmanufacturers of products.
But I think it seriously put heroff getting involved with with
that scene.
So it was never really broughtinto our our play, if you like,
as part of our sex.
And we didn't need it, to behonest.
(21:54):
Would have been nice maybe ifsometimes it was there, but we
didn't really need it.
We eventually found another wayto get kinky.
SPEAKER_03 (22:02):
I know.
This is wild to me because likeI've heard this similar story so
many times from guys where thisis their origin story, where
they will be, you know, withintimately with their their
girlfriend or wife, and go downon her and notice something's
(22:22):
different.
And there's two ways to react tothat, right?
Like there's, you know, thatcould be potentially really
dangerous, where he like flipsout and gets violent and can't
handle it.
Like that's just like death,like really awful.
Or there's the cuck way to dealwith it, which is like be so
(22:44):
turned on by this.
How did you know for surethough?
Because like women's pussiestaste different depending on the
pH, like it can be aesthetic,basic, whatever, right?
Like, how do you know?
SPEAKER_01 (22:58):
You you've you've tasted the stuff, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_03 (23:01):
Unfortunately.
SPEAKER_01 (23:02):
It's not, it's the they don't taste the same.
It's fairly obvious.
I guess so.
When there's when there's stillsome residue.
SPEAKER_03 (23:15):
And did you notice that she was just like like
stretched out or like just likeI don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (23:22):
No, well I don't rather really take a bunch of
notice of that.
You know, when you when you'rereally busy and you're focused
on what you're doing.
SPEAKER_03 (23:29):
True.
unknown (23:30):
True.
SPEAKER_03 (23:30):
You should be.
SPEAKER_01 (23:31):
Those sorts of details.
Exactly.
No, but yeah, I think it goes itit goes way back to you know me
saying that my my natural um mynatural position, if you like,
in in a a BDSM relationship isis as submissive.
I have always forever through myfirst marriage, even though that
(23:53):
was uh straight down the line,there was no kink involved in
that whatsoever.
Um the in-between part, if youlike, between the relationships,
when I was involved with womenwho were dominant sexually, I've
always been the one who's had toplease in order to get pleasure.
(24:14):
So it doesn't matter who I'mhaving sex with.
If I don't if I don't orgasm,let's say, not an issue.
As long as, let's say, you do,then my work is done.
SPEAKER_03 (24:28):
Okay, she had to be tuned into that, right?
She had to know that youwouldn't like flip out if you
did suspect that probably.
SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
It was probably a bit of a chance that she took.
Well, not a bit of a chance,probably a big chance.
SPEAKER_03 (24:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:45):
But had a clue that that I wouldn't.
SPEAKER_03 (24:48):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
Because I am such a I mean that again, it's it's
like the feet thing.
You know, you don't get youdon't get that many dominant men
that are into that are intofeet.
They're always nearly alwayssubmissive.
You might be an admirer, but youthey're nearly always
submissive.
Men that want to handle and toworship worship women's feet.
(25:08):
They're submissive.
And they want to give pleasure.
And that's just me.
So if I didn't ever orgasmduring sex, it's not a problem
for me, as long as my partnerdoes.
And she gets the best possibleexperience.
And I've always been like that,and I think that's why this
(25:29):
wasn't quite the the punt thatshe took.
SPEAKER_03 (25:35):
Right.
So I want to know, I'm not acuck, I don't understand
entirely what it what it feelslike to go down on the woman who
you love and to taste anotherman in her pussy.
I don't know what that does toyou mentally and physically.
(25:55):
I can only guess.
And I I can only go by, youknow, witnessing what it's like
for guys and what turns theseguys on.
What exactly was it like foryou?
Did you like were you so did ittake you to a different level of
being turned on, the mentalaspect of it?
Or kind of, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
It's it's a lot to do with being being told and
being not exactly you can't sayfalse, because it's not a false
situation, but coerced if youlike.
SPEAKER_04 (26:25):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (26:26):
So and again, that comes down to the submission
side.
SPEAKER_04 (26:30):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (26:31):
So you're telling me, whether physically or
verbally, what you want me todo, therefore, that's what you
need, therefore I will do it tomake you happy.
Yes, simple.
SPEAKER_03 (26:41):
Yes, and this is why you see this theme in cuck porn
and cuck porn memes and fantasyuh stuff online when it comes to
cuck holding, you see this themeof like uh the unwilling.
No, I don't want to sayunwilling, but what's the right
word?
Like it's the it's you are notyou're not forced, but she's
(27:03):
just doing this to you.
You she's going to cuck you.
Like my first cuck boyfriend hadthis fantasy of like our first
date.
I would, without talking aboutit, just bring it, have another
guy there and like cuck him onthe first date.
And there wouldn't be anydiscussion about it.
There would be, and yeah, it wasit was super hot to talk about
this and everything like that.
And it was like, oh my god,that's so hot and everything
(27:26):
like that.
But realistically, you have tohave a fucking conversation
about it first, especially whenyou barely even know this
person.
Um, but it is like such a thing.
Like you hear about cucks beingquote unquote forced into this,
but it's such a turn on forthem.
SPEAKER_01 (27:43):
So is it just like generally going to be forced
into doing anything?
No, they're they're doing itbecause they want to.
Because they want notnecessarily because they want to
do that act that you want themto do, whatever it is, whether
it's watching you with somebodyelse or whether it's cleaning
you up afterwards or whatever itis, it's because you get
pleasure out of it.
(28:04):
You get pleasure out of themdoing it.
That's what well, it's what doesit for me.
I can't say what that's whatdoes it for everybody else, but
it's because you get thepleasure out of it.
So the fact that yes, she'd beenand done that with somebody else
means why didn't I get pissedoff about that?
(28:24):
Because I know she came back sobloody horny, yeah, that she'd
enjoyed herself so much thattime that she wanted to then
share that with me.
SPEAKER_03 (28:35):
Right, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (28:36):
And enjoy it, and then and enjoy the fact that now
she's gonna invite me into that,if you like.
SPEAKER_03 (28:43):
Right.
Okay, okay.
I'm so glad you said thatbecause I have heard of stories
of uh married couples who hereally wants her to sleep with
other guys.
He gives her what's called ahall pass, right?
You can go sleep with whoeveryou want.
So she does that, but shedoesn't tell him about it and
(29:04):
she doesn't share any of theexperience or anything like
that.
Basically, he's in the dark theentire time.
He's not involved in any way.
And it, yes, I guess she'scuckolding him in some way, but
like he it's uh reallyunfulfilling.
But in her case, with yourpartner, she wanted to be with
you afterwards.
(29:24):
It was something that fueled thedesire in your own intimacy
together.
SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Yeah, so it's still kind of a shared experience.
SPEAKER_03 (29:33):
It is, even though you guys didn't talk about it.
SPEAKER_01 (29:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:37):
What is this called?
Should we call it stealthycuckolding or something?
SPEAKER_01 (29:42):
Yeah, right?
Yeah, that could that could be athing.
It's stealthy, it could be a newthing.
SPEAKER_03 (29:48):
It got there because it needs a name.
There's it's a it's such athing.
Um okay.
SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
Now you're pissed off because you've never done
that.
You've always been too upfrontabout.
SPEAKER_03 (30:00):
It right.
I have.
SPEAKER_01 (30:02):
It's you can love to try it.
SPEAKER_03 (30:04):
That would be so fun.
SPEAKER_01 (30:07):
You just need a new boyfriend or husband, partner.
SPEAKER_03 (30:11):
Yeah, just need that aspect of it.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
Small matter.
SPEAKER_03 (30:14):
Damn it.
Small matter, yeah.
Shit.
But it does sound so fun.
No, no joke.
I would fucking love that.
Because it's such a mental mindfuck.
If I went and fucked somebodyelse and then I didn't tell my
husband, and then I just camehome and I like pushed his face
between my thighs, and I wouldjust like smile at him.
Like, is he gonna figure it out?
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
That's a well, that's exactly it, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03 (30:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:40):
And the thing is that when he does figure it out,
which he would, you would getthe best you've ever had.
SPEAKER_03 (30:48):
Oh, oh, absolutely.
And that's what I love aboutcucks.
Nobody gets more turned on thana cuck in peak cuck mode.
Like they are something else.
Oh my god.
That's what hooked me in rightin the very beginning when I
first learned about that.
I was like, oh my god, I'venever seen a guy lose his mind
like this before.
This is awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
Yeah, as long as I think it it's it's like what I
tried to put up one side yearsago was put it in a box over
there somewhere, is trying tofigure out, try and figure it
out.
Why do you why do you like this?
Why do you like that?
Why do you like feet?
Why do people like this, that,and the other?
Who cares?
SPEAKER_02 (31:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
Why try and figure out the psychology of it?
I'm not a psychiatrist or apsychologist.
I've not don't want to know,frankly, and try and work out
why.
I just think it's enjoyable, solet's do it.
SPEAKER_03 (31:41):
Exactly.
And that's why I over the yearsI've had a gazillion cucks like
out asking me all the time,like, you know, why am I into
this?
Is it normal to be into this?
Like, and trying to dissectthat.
I'm like, who gives a shit?
It's fun.
SPEAKER_01 (31:54):
Like I say, it's not it's not normal.
That's a fact.
SPEAKER_03 (31:57):
Well, it's not yeah, it's definitely outside of the
box of normal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not normal, but but to alot of people, that's that's the
allure of it, the taboo of it,right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:10):
People like it not being normal.
SPEAKER_03 (32:12):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (32:13):
Um being different.
SPEAKER_03 (32:16):
So is your partner still going and sleeping with
this other guy?
SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
Unfortunately, no.
SPEAKER_03 (32:22):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (32:23):
He um I I think he uh m met his maker.
Oh three years ago.
So it all stopped.
And she's older than me.
You can see roughly how old Iam.
Um she's probably eight yearsolder than me, so that let's say
the fire isn't there anymore.
SPEAKER_03 (32:40):
Right.
So how long did it last thoughwhen when she was going and
sleeping with this other guy?
SPEAKER_01 (32:47):
It's probably about eight years, I think.
SPEAKER_03 (32:49):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01 (32:50):
So a decent length of time.
SPEAKER_03 (32:52):
Yeah.
And you guys never talked aboutit.
unknown (32:55):
No.
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (32:58):
Still haven't.
SPEAKER_03 (32:59):
You still haven't?
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (33:04):
You know.
SPEAKER_03 (33:05):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Um, wow, that's that is reallyamazing.
Okay.
I have a feeling some of thelisteners might be asking this
one question or wanting to knowthe answer to this one question.
Because you hadn't talked aboutit, but you suspected it.
And clearly her, this guy thatshe was sleeping with was not
(33:28):
using a condom for you.
What was like, was there aconcern around STIs?
Was that something you thoughtabout?
SPEAKER_01 (33:38):
I suppose that's a fair question, and the answer
should have been should be uhyes.
I think in the moment I shouldhave been concerned, but in the
moment, especially for the firstcouple of times, I didn't
realise what was going onanyway.
SPEAKER_04 (33:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:54):
Um I had to completely trust that she knew
exactly who she was.
SPEAKER_03 (34:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (34:01):
Having sex with.
So that I yeah, I just had totrust her on that one.
Yeah, because I could I mean itcould have been I mean, for all
I know, it could have beenmultiple individuals.
Well, it wasn't.
I have no doubt about that, justbecause the type of person that
she is.
SPEAKER_02 (34:20):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (34:21):
So it could but I mean it it could, I suppose
theoretically, it could havebeen dozens.
SPEAKER_03 (34:28):
Right.
You'll never know.
SPEAKER_01 (34:30):
Could have been.
No?
No.
Well, I I have every confidencethat that it wasn't.
I wish you had an asked bit ofquestion now.
SPEAKER_03 (34:39):
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (34:40):
But I'm here, I'm fine, and I have as far as I'm
aware.
Yeah, well, I asked aboutunscathed.
SPEAKER_03 (34:47):
I asked because that's kind of like one of those
basic parts of the conversationthat a couple would have before
they would get into cuckoldingis the rules and the parameters
around sleeping with other guysin safety when it comes to um
health and safety.
So uh so if you haven't had theconversation, I guess you do
just have to trust your partner.
(35:07):
And if you've been together fora long time, then I think that
you would have to have thattrust as a baseline, an unspoken
baseline anyway.
SPEAKER_04 (35:16):
Oh, correct.
SPEAKER_03 (35:17):
Yeah.
Um so your story is prettyunique in that you you guys
still you didn't talk about it,you still haven't talked about
it, but it is very muchcuckolding.
Like that that is very muchcuckolding.
And uh would you say that it'ssomething that you like a type
(35:38):
of cuckolding or a a pathwaythrough cuckolding that you
would recommend to othercouples, or no?
SPEAKER_01 (35:45):
Well, I I I yeah, I would.
Well, wouldn't I?
I'd say I'd do it again.
SPEAKER_03 (35:49):
Yeah, you would be like, sign me up.
SPEAKER_01 (35:51):
Of course I would.
I'd be that'd be yeah, I'd belying on flat on my back any day
of the week, no problem.
Um yeah, it's just how do youmanufacture it?
You know, these are these arethings that I think in that in
that world, I mean you knowbetter than I, but it it it's an
incredibly difficult subjectapproach, yeah.
(36:11):
Unless you are when you firstget together, you're two very
sexually open-mindedindividuals, and you you you
probably know that beforehand,and you can quite happily have
those types of conversations.
But I think most people aren'tlike that.
It remains in the realms offantasy, probably mostly for the
male rather than the rather thanthe female, because that's just
(36:34):
men because we're weirddeviants.
Um but but I think it does so toto bring up a subject and then
to try and make it try andalmost force it to that to
happen, yeah.
It's that that's gonna causemore problems than than you can
possibly imagine, isn't it?
You filthy little bastard.
(36:57):
Well it just is that's the kindof reaction you're gonna get,
isn't it?
That's why people are soreluctant to bring these things
up, and that goes for eitherside.
SPEAKER_03 (37:04):
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (37:06):
If somebody's wife comes home and says she wanted
to have sex with multiple men,most men go through the roof to
go go bonkers.
SPEAKER_04 (37:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:15):
I knew a guy many years ago.
I was in the I was in theforces.
He he went he went home fromwork one day and found his wife
in bed with another woman.
Now, for most for most men, he'ssaying fantastic.
SPEAKER_03 (37:29):
Yeah, I mean joined in.
SPEAKER_01 (37:31):
Yeah, what did you do, Tom?
Did you jump on the did you jumpon the bed with him?
No, I threw her out.
SPEAKER_02 (37:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
Got divorced.
But that is the actual reaction,that's the reality of it.
The fantasy is that you jump onthe bed with them.
SPEAKER_02 (37:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:45):
Yeah, the reality is not that at all.
So I think it it's there'sprobably not that many couples
out there that or a smallpercentage of the population of
couples that are out theregenuinely cock holding.
(38:05):
Most of it's probably fantasy, Iwould imagine.
And um because it's sodifficult.
Yeah.
I I don't know, I would neverhave had the conversation, I
know that.
SPEAKER_03 (38:17):
You wouldn't.
SPEAKER_01 (38:18):
Nah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:19):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (38:20):
It wasn't really I don't think it was actually it
wasn't really on my bucket listanyway.
SPEAKER_03 (38:26):
Yeah, it's not it, it's not like it was a big
driver for you.
I mean the the the situationthat happened with you very much
suited who you were, as far aslike it was about her pleasure
and stuff.
Like you loved it, but this wasnot something you had fantasized
about forever, right?
SPEAKER_01 (38:41):
That's right, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:42):
So you natur very much naturally just got cucked.
SPEAKER_01 (38:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:47):
Without driving it in that direction in any way.
SPEAKER_01 (38:51):
There was no nothing you I'm gonna get so many
messages going, you lucky.
SPEAKER_03 (38:58):
Right?
I know.
There's all these cucks outthere going, how the fuck do I
get my wife to do this?
And then your partner, she justshe didn't she just did it.
SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
It's obviously in in her mind, yeah, but not in mine.
unknown (39:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:17):
Which is actually probably something I've just
contradicting what I've said.
Yeah, because that would beprobably being cooked as more of
a male fantasy than a female.
It turns out I ended up with theone, the female who fantasized
about it.
SPEAKER_03 (39:31):
Yeah, and like I said, this is a uh such a
fantasy for so many guys outthere is that this exact
situation will happen.
And they have spent, I mean,probably a gazillion hours out
there wanking to this fantasy ofexactly what happened to you.
SPEAKER_01 (39:50):
Maybe that's the effect your podcast will have.
SPEAKER_03 (39:54):
I'm sure it will.
Maybe this will inspire some ofthe women listening to that this
is a fun little thing to do withyour uh partner if if he would
have a good reaction to it.
That's that's the thing.
SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
Well, you g yeah, actually you you might have a
good you might have a goodpoint.
There might be um an opportunityto have some sort of group
discussion with ladies whofantasize about that, but would
like to see it from a man'sperspective before they actually
do it, before they try it out.
SPEAKER_03 (40:30):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (40:31):
One of the pitfalls, potentially.
SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
Exactly.
Yes.
Yeah.
Because I definitely think it'shot as fuck.
I mean, that's just a mind fuckthat uh is one of those things
that would really um make itmore thrilling and angsty for a
cuck.
And I happen to really lovethat.
There must be other women outthere who would really get off
on that as well.
SPEAKER_01 (40:55):
Well, the other thing is there's an element of
control to it, isn't there?
Oh, absolutely.
Not just from from the point ofview that you could you could
say to your husband, I'm goingaway this weekend with the
girls.
You go away for the weekend withthe girls.
He doesn't know whether you'vegone away for the weekend with
the girls or not.
(41:15):
Or whether you've gone somewhereelse.
So when you're com when you comeback, he has got he's only got
one expectation.
That you've not been away withthe girls.
That's what he really hopes.
SPEAKER_02 (41:26):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (41:28):
But maybe you have been away with the girl.
And how disappointed is he gonnabe?
So you're fucking with his mindby doing that.
SPEAKER_03 (41:38):
Absolutely.
I I recommended somethingexactly like that for all of the
couples out there where thewoman absolutely does not want
to sleep with other guys.
She can still fuck with him inexactly that way.
Go away with the girls and ttext him about how hot the
bartender is, and then justleave him on red for the rest of
the night.
SPEAKER_01 (41:59):
And the other thing, of course, she should do in
reality is to lock him up.
SPEAKER_03 (42:03):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (42:05):
Just to make things even worse for him at home.
SPEAKER_03 (42:10):
But like, there's so much you can have fun, like so
many ways you can have fun likethat.
So I think that's fantastic.
Oh, I hope I'm inspiring, I hopewe are inspiring all the ladies
listening right now.
So, all for all the cuggyhusbands who are listening right
now, make sure you send thisepisode to your partner.
Uh she might get excited aboutthat.
SPEAKER_01 (42:30):
Do we know how many people are listening to this?
SPEAKER_03 (42:33):
Um, well, there's uh uh uh millions around the world,
so yeah.
What?
unknown (42:39):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (42:40):
Oh my gosh.
Like I think it's over like fourmillion or something like that,
like that.
SPEAKER_01 (42:45):
Don't get my email address, will you?
unknown (42:47):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (42:49):
But it's mostly guys listening to this show.
It's like 87% men.
So uh shocker.
Um that's why I'm saying that.
Right.
That's why I'm saying for youguys who are listening, just
send this one to your partner orlisten to this one together and
know that this is a fun littleway that you can experiment uh
(43:11):
with the whole cuckoldingfantasy.
Um, okay, before I wrap this up,is there anywhere that you want
people to be able to contactyou?
I'm assuming people are going tohave questions for you or
comments about this show.
SPEAKER_01 (43:27):
Uh easiest place is probably FatLife.
Okay.
I will you've got my Yeah, Ibelieve I do.
SPEAKER_03 (43:37):
If uh, but I will post that uh that FatLife
profile in the link for today'sshow notes, so make sure you
check that out.
And um, Carl, do you have anylast thoughts or words of wisdom
that you would like to includebefore we wrap this up?
SPEAKER_01 (43:53):
I'll just give it a go.
Just give it a go.
SPEAKER_03 (43:57):
I love it.
Yeah, thank you so much forbeing on the show today.
It's been such a fun timechatting with you.
SPEAKER_01 (44:04):
I've enjoyed it too.
Thanks, Lisa.
SPEAKER_03 (44:08):
That's gonna be it for today's episode.
Thank you so much for joiningme.
Make sure you go toVenusCuckledris.com.
That's where you can book aprivate chat with me.
And you can also join theQueen's Quarters community and
get all the amazing benefitslike the private podcast and the
helpful cups here where you canget key holdings, the private
(44:30):
Snapchat group, monthly privatechats with me, and weekly live
hangouts and invites to speciallive events.
Oh, and you can also submit aquestion or confession for the
show.
Just go to VenusCucklegust.comand click on the link that says
the podcast.
Make sure you follow me on BlueSky Social.
(44:51):
Yes, I said Blue Sky Social fuckTwitter.
My handle there is at CuckleJustV.
Alright, that's it for today'sshow.
You guys, we'll see you nexttime.
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