July 5, 2025 • 46 mins
Ever wondered what it's really like when your partner wants cuckolding but you're drowning in diapers, laundry, and sleepless nights? This honest conversation with Kelly pulls back the curtain on navigating kinky desires within the chaos of family life.
Kelly shares her journey as a mother of young children whose husband revealed his cuckolding desires at perhaps the most overwhelming stage of parenthood. What followed wasn't a simple yes or no, but a nuanced exploration of boundaries, creative alternatives, and the very real challenges that come with balancing fantasy and reality.
The most refreshing aspect of this conversation is its honesty about the mental load women carry. As Kelly puts it, "Nothing kills your sex drive more efficiently than being overworked and overtired."
Through trial and error, Kelly and her partner discovered that dirty talk, verbal humiliation, and other creative alternatives could satisfy many aspects of cuckolding without her actually sleeping with other men. Their journey included awkward first attempts, communication breakthroughs, and eventually seeking professional help through couples counseling to establish healthy boundaries.
Whether you're the one with cuckolding desires or the partner being asked to fulfill them, this episode offers practical wisdom for navigating these conversations with compassion and creativity. Listen now for a perspective rarely heard in discussions about cuckolding – the voice of a loving partner who's neither rushing to fulfill the fantasy nor dismissing it entirely.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here's what's coming up on the show.
I felt so awkward the first fewtimes that I purposely made a
comment or said something.
It felt so really fuckingawkward and not cool and not
(00:21):
sexy that I was like I don'twant to do this, like at all.
The first time that, like Iactually said, made a comment or
said something, oh my god, Ifelt so stupid.
I was like this is not sexy,this is not cool, I don't feel
comfortable.
Doing this Like this isridiculous.
Was it the same for?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
you Well?
Yeah, I think it was.
Maybe it was even worse,because I could see that he was
really turned off by that, Likeoh, that's so weird and I'm
horrified.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
This is the Venus Cuckoldris podcast, a place to
learn all things cuckolding forthe curious, for the passionate
and for the sexually empoweredwoman who wants it all.
Let's go this up to their wife,or brought it up to their wife.
(01:50):
You know, I really want you tosleep with other guys and maybe
she's just not that receptive toit.
We're going to talk about whatit's actually like for her from
her perspective, about why maybeshe's not a hard no but also
not a right now kind of response, and we're going to look at
real life reasons why cuckoldingmight not be what she wants or
needs right now.
But maybe, who knows, in thefuture.
And in the meantime, we'regoing to discuss all of the
(02:12):
things that you all the funlittle ways that you can have
fun with cuckolding fantasiesand desires without her actually
sleeping with other guys.
Guys, I know a lot of guysreally have that ultimate
fantasy in their mind ofwatching her sleeping with
another guy or knowing that sheslept with another guy.
(02:33):
Okay, I get it, that's thesuper hot epitome of cuckolding.
I get that.
But there are tons of otherreally fun ways that you can
have fun with this whole thingthat don't involve her sleeping
with other guys, it's true.
And lastly, we're going to talkabout how you can work together
to overcome the struggles thatmay come up along the way of
(02:56):
talking about communicatingabout your desires and fantasies
around cuckolding.
And make sure you have a lookat today's show notes for this
episode, because I've put somehelpful links and resources for
you as well.
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I have a special guest.
Her name is Kelly and she'sgoing to be talking about her
relationship with her partnerwho has these cuckolding desires
, and what this is actually likein reality when you are faced
with this situation of having apartner who has these kinky
desires and you are maybe not askinky and not as excited about
(04:53):
the idea and up to your eyeballsin real life shit.
So this is what we're going totalk about the real life side of
cuckolding desires in arelationship.
Kelly, thank you so much forjoining me on the show.
Say hello to all the listeners.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Hello Venus, hello cucks.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Now you are in Europe , right?
Yes, okay, and I happen to knowyour partner really well and
I've spoken to him on severaloccasions, and so I know a
little bit about yourrelationship from his aspect or
his side of things, and I thinkboth of you guys are fabulous
people, by the way, and I knowthat this is going to be an
(05:34):
interesting conversation Because, like I said, this is about the
real realistic kind of look atwhat it's like to have a partner
who has this, these desires andfantasies, but also be like you
know, head up to your head inin absolute, like real life shit
.
You guys have kids together,right, and young kids, right?
Yeah, exactly, okay, um, and II think it's safe to say that
(06:01):
you are busy as fuck as parents,right?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Well, that's the short version, but it's, yeah,
quite complete version.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, and so I completely get how your life
would be absolutely crazy inthis stage of life, like when
you're raising a bunch of youngkids and you're you know, both
working right.
You're both working right.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, yeah, I'm only working half time right now.
Part-time, but yeah, it's.
It's still like 20 hours a weekoutside the house, but yeah,
with with kids and most of thehousehold and and also like
dealing with my partner.
(06:49):
That's like 80 hours a week,yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's a lot, and then just the lack of sleep that goes
along with that and everythinglike that, it can be really
crazy.
So I know people listening tothis show right now are going to
be able to relate.
Some of you who are listeningright now are in the same stage
of life where you're perhaps ayoung couple and you've got
young kids together and one ofyou has these kinky cuckolding
(07:16):
desires most likely the dude,the husband.
But I'm sure that you canrelate that this is a
challenging time in your life.
How, when you first met yourpartner, how was it in the
beginning?
Like, did he bring upcuckolding or kinky stuff to you
(07:37):
right away, or is thissomething that you kind of
learned along the way?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
well, I think we we had the conversation about, uh,
his uh cuckolding interests.
Maybe at least we had at leastone kid, because like we have
three all together.
Then I can't really rememberwhich also a lot of moms can
relate like which one of thekids was like born or which was.
(08:14):
I don't know, maybe I waspregnant or something, but yeah,
I think it was like maybe asecond kid or something.
So, yeah, he kind of like cameout and told me about it and at
first I remember being likesuper confused about cock, what,
what, what, and so, yeah,because then we were already
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quite heavily sleep deprived andI was a bit worried about his.
I think maybe he kind of likesaid that he's pretty sure
that's something that he reallyis interested in, and so I felt
(09:03):
that he tried to say that thisis either like I should do this
or we probably won't have achance in our relationship.
So at least I felt that it waslike almost like an ultimatum.
Oh he he later explained thathe maybe he was just like
(09:30):
jumping ahead of stuff.
But I remember my firstreaction to that information in
the whole package.
I was very worried about ourrelationship and it's probably
not going to last very long.
Oh wow, yeah, and it wasn'tlike because our kids are not
(09:50):
very long spaced, so they'relike bam, bam, bam, yeah, right,
one after another.
So I still don't know how weended up with three kids.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, three young kids all close together.
That's pretty crazy.
So maybe not the best timingthat he brought it up at that
time.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, but it felt that it had been eating at him
for for some time and he reallyneeded to share it.
And then, I think, because hehad been thinking about it for
so long at that point and he waslike so worried about my
reaction that when I first triedto understand about it or like
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what's, what's the appeal forhim or what's what's going on
and what does he mostlyinterested about that, then I
think he just like got socarried away with it that he ran
like 10 miles and I was likewhat is going on?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
this happens so often I've heard this so many times
where um guys will just get soexcited by it and so worked up
and that they really do jumpahead like many levels just, and
sometimes without her, likewithout her even, like tagging
along for the ride.
(11:29):
They're just all of a sudden,you know binging these porn
benders, that, going down rabbitholes and you know going all
extreme and in the fantasy landand stuff, and you're just like
hold up, wait a minute, likelet's put the brakes on it.
Yeah, so I hear that way toooften.
(11:50):
So, guys, if you're listening,please, just like.
I know it's exciting, I knowit's like something that you've
been probably thinking about fora very, very, very long time,
but it doesn't mean you get togo and jump in headfirst like.
You need to just go slow,involve your partner.
I'm really glad that you guysactually talked about it and
that you weren't judgmentalabout, uh, his desires, because
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that would be, that would beunfortunate if that happened.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But those conversations are very difficult
.
I think we just he is a greatcommunicator.
I think we've always managed totalk about all the difficult
stuff and, yeah, I don't thinklife has been really like smooth
(12:40):
sailing.
Sailing we, we have had our,our share of um like grief and
loss and and like some issuesand problems, not in our like
relationship per se, but withlike other stuff about like life
and stuff.
And because, like he's alwayssupported me so so well and I've
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always felt very comfortableand comforted with him, so I I
never thought and and I couldsee how important that topic was
for him yeah, I never to likeridicule it or somehow like make
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it small or somehow bad.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So you guys talked about it and you had some time
to kind of mull it over inbetween craziness of parenthood.
Yeah, From what I understand,this is not something that
you've agreed to fulfill thisfantasy correct?
But that this is something thatyou've agreed to fulfill this
fantasy correct, but that thisis something that you guys
continue to talk about, right?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, we, we have talked about it for kind of like
years, if you zoom out.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And, and I have always said to him that, um, the
idea of sleeping with anotherman, I uh I don't seek it out in
this moment that we're in, butif I would have to think, hmm,
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will he be the last man on earthI will sleep with?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I hope there is somebody else too, but and I
don't want to break up with him-I don't want to break up with
(14:55):
him, but I'm not like lookingfor the dress to go to a party
and a hard no, but it's alsodefinitely not a hard yes Like
this is not something thatyou're seeking, but you're
listening to what they're saying.
I get that and that's fair.
And the fact that you guys havebeen talking about this for,
like you said, zooming out, it'sbeen a few years means that
this conversation hasn't beenswept on under the rug.
It's something that youcontinue to talk about and
(15:16):
whatever.
What I know about you guys andI'd love to talk about this part
here is okay, so you're notfucking some other dudes much to
the dismay of your partner, butbut you guys seem to have
figured out these fun littleways to play with the idea of
(15:40):
that uh or king other kinkylittle things together over the
years, which I think is fuckinggreat, because you're, like we
I've said before, crazy up toyour eyeballs and parenting,
motherhood, shit.
Like you, real life stuff isheavy right now in your life,
but you still manage to figureout how to flip the switch that
(16:04):
turns on your partner in thatway, in this kink for these
kinky desires, one of them beinglike dirty talk right.
And I remember back when, when Ifirst started learning about
cuckolding, I did not understandthe teasing, humiliation part,
(16:25):
like at all, and I felt soawkward the first few times that
I purposely made a comment orsaid something.
It felt so really fuckingawkward and not cool and not
sexy that I was like I don'twant to do this, like at all.
(16:46):
The first time that, like Iactually said, made a comment or
said something, oh my God, Ifelt so stupid.
I was like this is not sexy,this is not cool, I don't feel
comfortable doing this.
Like this is ridiculous.
Was it the same for?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
you Well, yeah, I think it was.
Maybe it was even worse,because I could see that he was
really turned off by that.
That's so weird and I'mhorrified.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Do you remember what it was that you said?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
No, I can't remember, but I can remember his face and
that was he was not turned onand I'm pretty sure we did not
have sex that evening.
Yeah, and then I asked if hecould, like you know, talk to me
how he would like me to talk tohim, and then he was like no, I
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don't think I can.
So he was also awkward.
So then we can, we, weunderstood that.
Okay, this is awkward for bothof us, but you know, it's easier
for me to say to him in themornings that, oh, I need you to
wear your chastity belt, and somaybe in the evenings sometimes
(18:09):
I was just too tired and I toldhim how I was fucking with some
guy at the hotel balcony and he, like came immediately.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
so yeah, so you figured out how to make it work
for you, the little comments,the teasing comments.
You figured out like oh, thisworks, so that works, like
that's easy to do, that works,no problem, I can do that when
I'm really fucking tired.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That is the secret recipe, right there yeah,
exactly, and I think we justlike found our go-to themes and
things that had worked and so wejust went with it.
Yeah, and we just practiced.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It takes practice.
I know it did for me too.
I felt like so awkward with itfor so long and I didn't under
like it never felt very good,until I just realized like, oh,
I could just be honest If I'mjust being brutally honest and
not worried about I had to givemy myself permission not to
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worry about hurting his feelings.
And once you realize that, okay, you don't, this is not hurting
someone's feelings, they areenjoying this.
It's like, oh, I can just saythe things that I meant to say
anyway.
So, um, but yeah, it's funny if, if you just say what you mean
anyway.
So that's really good thatyou've learned how to kind of
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trigger those playfulhumiliation.
It's like a game that you canplay with him.
Right, you figured out how to,oh, what are the rules and how
to play it.
And then you practice andyou're like, oh damn, I'm good
at this.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, yeah, or he is just very good actor, which I
don't believe.
Why would he bother?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
yeah, yeah, no, from what I've spoken with him,
you're good at it.
So what are some of the otherthemes that you guys have played
with?
Is it just like you talk about,like you sleeping with another
guy and you tease him about thatpart of it, or is this about
like fucking black guys?
Or is this about a sexualdenial and tease and stuff like
(20:20):
that?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh, it's a bit of everything.
It's mostly you know how smallhis stuff is compared to.
You know kind of like everybodyelse's yeah stuff is compared
to.
You know kind of like everybodyelse's yeah and um and how, how
other guys are good in bed andhow he's not okay.
(20:42):
So this is the reason he couldonly be a sloppy second and
never like a first pick andstuff like that all of that
stuff is such gold for cucks.
They're like, oh, so hot well,yeah, they, you know they didn't
(21:03):
have to survive the, the firstor the 10th bad, uh, bad, dirty
talk, so yeah yeah, exactly,exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It's a process and it takes time to get really good
at it and figure out what reallypresses the button for your
partner.
Yeah, and when you figure itout, when you figure out that
game, it's so fun to play andthis is why, like, there's so
many women out there who arelike, oh no, I can't be mean, I
don't want to be, I don't wantto degrade somebody, I don't
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want to.
You know, I can't, I don't,that's not me, whatever.
And you, if you only were tolike really explore and what
Chris, my friend Crystal Welch,says she excavated her husband's
mind in that way.
She loves doing that.
She's like I'm going to exploreexactly what all of these
little insecurities are that heloves to like play with the idea
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of this is hot if she says thisor does this.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And when you really explore your partner's mind,
like that man, it's like agoldmine of amazing, very
intimate, emotionally intimategame that you play with each
other yeah, and also, you knowwhat woman wants to do the
laundry, but she still does itbecause her family needs to wear
(22:26):
something and I, yeah, it's nothot to compare it with laundry
and I didn't want to, you know,do that kind of comparison.
But yeah, you have to thinkabout you know, if it makes him
so happy, why deny it?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
right.
I have a friend.
Years ago she said the samething.
She said it's a loving gesturethat you do for the person who
you love and, in fact, if youdeny them and not just like
ridicule somebody or or whateverbecause of their desires, but
if you deny them, isn't thatkind of mean.
You know, and, yeah, I get thatthere's some things that are
too far, but the really coolthing about you guys is that you
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haven't made it so that youhave to sleep with other guys
for him to be feel fulfilled andI'm sure that he might argue
that because he really wantsthat but you guys have still
figured out a way to have funwith it together in the meantime
.
Until you figure out.
If that is something that youwant to do, yeah, and there's so
much value to that.
So for all of the guyslistening right now, you can
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still play with this fantasywith your partner and have a lot
of fun with it and not have itgo what you would think as all
the way where she's cucking youwith another guy in real life.
I love the fact that there's somany more options other than
her just sleeping with anotherguy, because, let's face it,
(24:04):
it's not always safe to besleeping with other guys.
We're, as women, the ones whotake the physical and emotional
risk biggest risks when it comesto like sleeping with another
guy, whether that be pregnancyrisk, std, sti risks, physical
harm or emotional harm orwhatever, or the harm to your
(24:24):
relationship, like there's somany things that could go wrong
and so it is a big risk thatyou're asking someone to do.
It's not just about your bonerdudes I know you're listening to
me, right, do?
It's not just about your bonerdudes I know you're listening to
me right now.
It's not just about your boner.
There's a little bit more toconsider here.
So knowing that you can havefun outside of that is great,
and I think you guys are a goodexample of that.
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Now I know from theconversations I've had with your
partner how much he is reallyturned on by cuckolding and lots
of other things too.
But have you felt pressuredover the years, like have there
been times where you're justlike, for fuck's sakes, I have
so much laundry to do and likethe kids are sick and like I
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don't want to hear your shitabout this anymore?
Like do you get fed upsometimes?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And also like, probably the moments come from
lack of sleep, and you knowfrustrations and you know
problems on different levels,not on the relationship side,
but you know about life, you'rejust like bored, you're tired,
you're, you know, just grumpyabout stuff.
You know just grumpy aboutstuff.
But and this is also aboutcommunication that we just like
didn't talk about it, that heshouldn't send me just like
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randomly some fantasy or likebeautiful pictures that he finds
and the beautiful pictures areof, you know, puck theme
pictures.
So if I'm just like standingwith my colleagues and and
waiting to eat lunch, then it'snot like the perfect time, I
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don't know.
You know if he's asking haveyou heard about this problem
that we're having with our kidsor something?
Or he's just like sending mesome very dirty pictures.
So I just I just have to beprepared.
And, yeah, we just like didn'tplan or we didn't talk about the
(26:41):
rules of when he could send mestuff so he could spam you with
the cuck porn memes.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, yes, oh, I understand that.
Okay for the guys listening.
That is important.
Timing is very important.
Communication is very important.
Having the right time, rightplace, right setting right
everything to be able to sendthese things to your wife or,
you know, have her indulge inyour fantasy stuff.
You might be thinking about it24 hours a day, but she's not.
(27:11):
I can pretty much guarantee it.
No, she's not.
And then have you ever beenlike we need to take a break
from talking about cuckolding orkinky stuff, like I need to
just focus on kids for a littlewhile.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, well, there have been like times and times
during, you know, winter monthswhen everybody is sick for like
three months in a row.
Maybe only few days are, youknow, spaced between.
And so I've, just, like you,just have to listen to Venus
(27:54):
podcast.
I just like, I'm sorry, I'mjust like I need to sleep, I
need to clean the house.
Everything is disgusting,disgusting.
Everything is sticky.
You know, the kids are whining.
Yeah, yeah, I have a lot ofwork to do.
So, sorry, and and I think it'sa hot tip for guys that every
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time you take out the trashwithout being told so you clean
something up.
You, you know, do the showerdrain clean up, then you can,
you know, be quite sure that thesex will come after that.
(28:41):
Yes, it's very true, because,like nothing kills your sex
drive more efficiently thanbeing overworked and overtired.
And if your partner is justsitting on the couch and you're
just like making constant drownslike kids, cleaning up the
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toilet, cleaning up the bathroom, cleaning up the kitchen,
making dinner, doing stuff, andthen trying to sit just to do
your work stuff, and then hejust like has been sitting there
for 30 minutes at least and Ihaven't sat down for a minute,
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and then he's just like, oh,what do you think?
Should we do something tonight?
How about you clean afteryourself?
I'm not even like asking toclean after anybody else, you
know, this is like the bareminimum.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
So, yeah, just clean up the sexual flow that is a
fucking hot tip for any guyslistening and I know like I.
I feel like this narrative ispushed a lot in society and in
as it should be.
But one thing that I haverealized is that women often
carry a massive part of themental load of the relationship
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and of the family, and I didn'trealize this.
I didn't know that there was aword for this the mental load
until I started watching.
Zach Watson is his name.
For any of you guys listening,I'll put the link for him in the
show notes for today, becausehe talks about how partners can
(30:30):
help with managing the mentalload of their partner.
This is what you're talkingabout.
You get so overwhelmed with themental load of the housework, of
the tasks that need to be donethe dinners, the cleaning, the
cooking, everything, the sickkids, the whining kids, the
husband, whatever.
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All of that shit is sooverwhelming that when your
brain is just so full of all ofthat there is no room available
for fucking kinky talk andthere's no desire for any of
that shit.
You're just like, god damn it.
I just want to get all thisshit checked off the list so
that we can, so I can think thatI can relax, you know.
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So, absolutely, I feel like ifguys and there's probably lots
of guys who do already do thisinvest in their partner by
taking off the mental load fromtheir plate, it really does help
a woman get into the mood, thedesire to want to be able to
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even think about sex orfantasies at all.
So it's definitely worthwhile,is definitely worthwhile.
But I do get some guys whothey'll write in, they'll send
in a voice note to the show orwhatever, and they were like,
yeah, so we have a seven monthold baby, me and my wife, and I
(31:54):
just really want her to cuckoldme, and I, you know I brought it
up.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
But she doesn't seem very interested.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Well, oh, oh, dear boy, I'm always like for real,
like maybe this is not the righttime of your life to be doing
this shit, like do you know whatshe's going through physically,
emotionally, everything.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, that's pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
That's why I was surprised to hear that your
partner brought it up to youfirst, initially after you'd had
your first child.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Like this is the most difficult part of your life
having kids Also the mostdetrimental part of your life on
your relationship, as it isnever mind kinky stuff yeah, and
also, like you know, if, if menwould consider all the things
(32:55):
that your body goes through,yeah, you know, like with all
the hormones, while beingpregnant, carrying around a huge
belly, then giving birth to it,do you know where the babies
come out from?
Have you seen it, guys?
And then what happens after thebirth, like have you seen the
(33:18):
diaper guys, like it's huge, thediaper guys, like it's huge.
And and after all of thebreastfeeding and the constant,
like nights and evenings and youknow I'm not talking about the
household stuff at all or theolder children, if you have
those.
So, yeah, with a seven monthsold, I don't think she is
(33:43):
harboring very much sexythoughts.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
No, she's probably not going to appreciate it very
much when you bring this up thatyou want her to do this for you
and you're adding one morething to the list.
But, yeah, for all the guys outthere who are really insecure
about the size of their wienerand that's every guy out there
they're just always likethinking about the size of their
dick and obsessed about it andit's such like a thing for all
(34:07):
of you.
Okay, so you guys have this likeinsecurity.
Can you imagine what women gothrough as far as insecurity
about their body, their fuckingpussy, their tits, their ass,
everything the size of theirbody or the stretch marks or the
everything that happens after?
I mean like everything thathappens to your body after you
have a baby or even during theprocess of pregnancy and
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everything like that.
Just think about, like thateffect on a woman emotionally
and and how that affects yourconfidence.
So, anyway, there's a lot toconsider, but I'm I'm really
glad that you guys have figuredout a way to kind of still
regardless of the craziness ofparent life, motherhood and
(34:50):
everything like that figure outa way to have fun with it
together.
Now I understand that recentlyyou guys went to go and you
sought out a sex therapist orsomething like that.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, actually, I think she was more like, maybe
couples counselor, because we,we wanted to talk about some
like rules in the relationshipin the relationship, because we
(35:28):
we had some questions that justkept rising up and we we just
like had had some solutions, butwe felt that they're not
working anymore.
So we were just like went to herand and asked like how how can
we manage it better?
Or or should we, how is it fairto everybody, or the best way
(35:50):
to to make some wise decisionabout it?
And and I think that she, shedid give some sound advice
because, like my problem is thatI think I've always only had as
a normal evolution of like aromantic love, but for him, he
(36:34):
just he thinks I think maybe menthink in general more that, oh,
you can just lust and so that'salso like a good way to spend
time very comfortably, yeah, butbut for me, um, um, yeah, I
(36:58):
think I'm just like I can'tunderstand how we can, how I can
sleep with somebody else andnot jeopardize our relationship,
because I feel that in order tohave sex with somebody else, I
(37:18):
should be in love.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
But it doesn't seem like a very good plan.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Many women struggle with that balancing those two
things and figuring out a happymedium.
Many women do this is verycommon, and I suspect a lot of
guys who are listening to thisshow right now have had their
wife say the same thing.
I do think it's like so amazingthat you guys decided to reach
out to a professional and figureout like, how do we work
(37:48):
through this?
Because it's probably, you know, money you have to spend, time
that you have to spend to dothis, but very worthwhile, I'm
assuming, right right, oh yeah,because I well it.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know, that relationship that we have, it's
the best thing I've ever done inmy life.
So it would be like, really, Idon't know, I don't think it
would be easier somehow to throwit away and hope for the best.
And oh, maybe I could findsomebody else who, I don't know,
fulfills everything, becauseyou just like have to work on it
(38:35):
.
It's not like you have to findsomebody.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Exactly, and I feel like so many people, especially
the guys, because it's usuallyguys bringing it up with to
their wife and then she's likehell, no, whatever, whatever you
know, um, it is worth it to tryto figure out a way to make it
worth staying together for, likeyou guys have a family together
, you live together, you've gotlife plans together, you love
(39:02):
each other.
There's so much it's not worththrowing away just because you
don't want to fulfill thisfantasy.
All the way for him, right?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
now it's not worth it .
Yeah, and also I haven't ruledanything out and we'll just see
what happens, but until thattime I can do other stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Exactly, you can have fun with it Exactly.
All right, we are pretty muchout of time for this show, kelly
.
I've absolutely enjoyed havingyou on so much.
I think that so many people whoare listening are going to come
away with a lot of really goodinsight with this, so thank you
so much for joining me on theshow today.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Thank you for having me, it was great fun.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
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I felt so awkward the first fewtimes that I purposely made a
comment or said something.
It felt so really fuckingawkward and not cool and not
(00:21):
sexy that I was like I don'twant to do this, like at all.
The first time that, like Iactually said, made a comment or
said something, oh my god, Ifelt so stupid.
I was like this is not sexy,this is not cool, I don't feel
comfortable.
Doing this Like this isridiculous.
Was it the same for?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
you Well?
Yeah, I think it was.
Maybe it was even worse,because I could see that he was
really turned off by that, Likeoh, that's so weird and I'm
horrified.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
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she's just not that receptive toit.
We're going to talk about whatit's actually like for her from
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real life reasons why cuckoldingmight not be what she wants or
needs right now.
But maybe, who knows, in thefuture.
And in the meantime, we'regoing to discuss all of the
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(02:33):
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I have a special guest.
Her name is Kelly and she'sgoing to be talking about her
relationship with her partnerwho has these cuckolding desires
, and what this is actually likein reality when you are faced
with this situation of having apartner who has these kinky
desires and you are maybe not askinky and not as excited about
(04:53):
the idea and up to your eyeballsin real life shit.
So this is what we're going totalk about the real life side of
cuckolding desires in arelationship.
Kelly, thank you so much forjoining me on the show.
Say hello to all the listeners.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Hello Venus, hello cucks.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Now you are in Europe , right?
Yes, okay, and I happen to knowyour partner really well and
I've spoken to him on severaloccasions, and so I know a
little bit about yourrelationship from his aspect or
his side of things, and I thinkboth of you guys are fabulous
people, by the way, and I knowthat this is going to be an
(05:34):
interesting conversation Because, like I said, this is about the
real realistic kind of look atwhat it's like to have a partner
who has this, these desires andfantasies, but also be like you
know, head up to your head inin absolute, like real life shit
.
You guys have kids together,right, and young kids, right?
Yeah, exactly, okay, um, and II think it's safe to say that
(06:01):
you are busy as fuck as parents,right?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Well, that's the short version, but it's, yeah,
quite complete version.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, and so I completely get how your life
would be absolutely crazy inthis stage of life, like when
you're raising a bunch of youngkids and you're you know, both
working right.
You're both working right.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, yeah, I'm only working half time right now.
Part-time, but yeah, it's.
It's still like 20 hours a weekoutside the house, but yeah,
with with kids and most of thehousehold and and also like
dealing with my partner.
(06:49):
That's like 80 hours a week,yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's a lot, and then just the lack of sleep that goes
along with that and everythinglike that, it can be really
crazy.
So I know people listening tothis show right now are going to
be able to relate.
Some of you who are listeningright now are in the same stage
of life where you're perhaps ayoung couple and you've got
young kids together and one ofyou has these kinky cuckolding
(07:16):
desires most likely the dude,the husband.
But I'm sure that you canrelate that this is a
challenging time in your life.
How, when you first met yourpartner, how was it in the
beginning?
Like, did he bring upcuckolding or kinky stuff to you
(07:37):
right away, or is thissomething that you kind of
learned along the way?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
well, I think we we had the conversation about, uh,
his uh cuckolding interests.
Maybe at least we had at leastone kid, because like we have
three all together.
Then I can't really rememberwhich also a lot of moms can
relate like which one of thekids was like born or which was.
(08:14):
I don't know, maybe I waspregnant or something, but yeah,
I think it was like maybe asecond kid or something.
So, yeah, he kind of like cameout and told me about it and at
first I remember being likesuper confused about cock, what,
what, what, and so, yeah,because then we were already
(08:41):
quite heavily sleep deprived andI was a bit worried about his.
I think maybe he kind of likesaid that he's pretty sure
that's something that he reallyis interested in, and so I felt
(09:03):
that he tried to say that thisis either like I should do this
or we probably won't have achance in our relationship.
So at least I felt that it waslike almost like an ultimatum.
Oh he he later explained thathe maybe he was just like
(09:30):
jumping ahead of stuff.
But I remember my firstreaction to that information in
the whole package.
I was very worried about ourrelationship and it's probably
not going to last very long.
Oh wow, yeah, and it wasn'tlike because our kids are not
(09:50):
very long spaced, so they'relike bam, bam, bam, yeah, right,
one after another.
So I still don't know how weended up with three kids.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, three young kids all close together.
That's pretty crazy.
So maybe not the best timingthat he brought it up at that
time.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, but it felt that it had been eating at him
for for some time and he reallyneeded to share it.
And then, I think, because hehad been thinking about it for
so long at that point and he waslike so worried about my
reaction that when I first triedto understand about it or like
(10:44):
what's, what's the appeal forhim or what's what's going on
and what does he mostlyinterested about that, then I
think he just like got socarried away with it that he ran
like 10 miles and I was likewhat is going on?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
this happens so often I've heard this so many times
where um guys will just get soexcited by it and so worked up
and that they really do jumpahead like many levels just, and
sometimes without her, likewithout her even, like tagging
along for the ride.
(11:29):
They're just all of a sudden,you know binging these porn
benders, that, going down rabbitholes and you know going all
extreme and in the fantasy landand stuff, and you're just like
hold up, wait a minute, likelet's put the brakes on it.
Yeah, so I hear that way toooften.
(11:50):
So, guys, if you're listening,please, just like.
I know it's exciting, I knowit's like something that you've
been probably thinking about fora very, very, very long time,
but it doesn't mean you get togo and jump in headfirst like.
You need to just go slow,involve your partner.
I'm really glad that you guysactually talked about it and
that you weren't judgmentalabout, uh, his desires, because
(12:14):
that would be, that would beunfortunate if that happened.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But those conversations are very difficult
.
I think we just he is a greatcommunicator.
I think we've always managed totalk about all the difficult
stuff and, yeah, I don't thinklife has been really like smooth
(12:40):
sailing.
Sailing we, we have had our,our share of um like grief and
loss and and like some issuesand problems, not in our like
relationship per se, but withlike other stuff about like life
and stuff.
And because, like he's alwayssupported me so so well and I've
(13:04):
always felt very comfortableand comforted with him, so I I
never thought and and I couldsee how important that topic was
for him yeah, I never to likeridicule it or somehow like make
(13:25):
it small or somehow bad.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So you guys talked about it and you had some time
to kind of mull it over inbetween craziness of parenthood.
Yeah, From what I understand,this is not something that
you've agreed to fulfill thisfantasy correct?
But that this is something thatyou've agreed to fulfill this
fantasy correct, but that thisis something that you guys
continue to talk about, right?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, we, we have talked about it for kind of like
years, if you zoom out.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And, and I have always said to him that, um, the
idea of sleeping with anotherman, I uh I don't seek it out in
this moment that we're in, butif I would have to think, hmm,
(14:18):
will he be the last man on earthI will sleep with?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I hope there is somebody else too, but and I
don't want to break up with him-I don't want to break up with
(14:55):
him, but I'm not like lookingfor the dress to go to a party
and a hard no, but it's alsodefinitely not a hard yes Like
this is not something thatyou're seeking, but you're
listening to what they're saying.
I get that and that's fair.
And the fact that you guys havebeen talking about this for,
like you said, zooming out, it'sbeen a few years means that
this conversation hasn't beenswept on under the rug.
It's something that youcontinue to talk about and
(15:16):
whatever.
What I know about you guys andI'd love to talk about this part
here is okay, so you're notfucking some other dudes much to
the dismay of your partner, butbut you guys seem to have
figured out these fun littleways to play with the idea of
(15:40):
that uh or king other kinkylittle things together over the
years, which I think is fuckinggreat, because you're, like we
I've said before, crazy up toyour eyeballs and parenting,
motherhood, shit.
Like you, real life stuff isheavy right now in your life,
but you still manage to figureout how to flip the switch that
(16:04):
turns on your partner in thatway, in this kink for these
kinky desires, one of them beinglike dirty talk right.
And I remember back when, when Ifirst started learning about
cuckolding, I did not understandthe teasing, humiliation part,
(16:25):
like at all, and I felt soawkward the first few times that
I purposely made a comment orsaid something.
It felt so really fuckingawkward and not cool and not
sexy that I was like I don'twant to do this, like at all.
(16:46):
The first time that, like Iactually said, made a comment or
said something, oh my God, Ifelt so stupid.
I was like this is not sexy,this is not cool, I don't feel
comfortable doing this.
Like this is ridiculous.
Was it the same for?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
you Well, yeah, I think it was.
Maybe it was even worse,because I could see that he was
really turned off by that.
That's so weird and I'mhorrified.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Do you remember what it was that you said?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
No, I can't remember, but I can remember his face and
that was he was not turned onand I'm pretty sure we did not
have sex that evening.
Yeah, and then I asked if hecould, like you know, talk to me
how he would like me to talk tohim, and then he was like no, I
(17:42):
don't think I can.
So he was also awkward.
So then we can, we, weunderstood that.
Okay, this is awkward for bothof us, but you know, it's easier
for me to say to him in themornings that, oh, I need you to
wear your chastity belt, and somaybe in the evenings sometimes
(18:09):
I was just too tired and I toldhim how I was fucking with some
guy at the hotel balcony and he, like came immediately.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
so yeah, so you figured out how to make it work
for you, the little comments,the teasing comments.
You figured out like oh, thisworks, so that works, like
that's easy to do, that works,no problem, I can do that when
I'm really fucking tired.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That is the secret recipe, right there yeah,
exactly, and I think we justlike found our go-to themes and
things that had worked and so wejust went with it.
Yeah, and we just practiced.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It takes practice.
I know it did for me too.
I felt like so awkward with itfor so long and I didn't under
like it never felt very good,until I just realized like, oh,
I could just be honest If I'mjust being brutally honest and
not worried about I had to givemy myself permission not to
(19:15):
worry about hurting his feelings.
And once you realize that, okay, you don't, this is not hurting
someone's feelings, they areenjoying this.
It's like, oh, I can just saythe things that I meant to say
anyway.
So, um, but yeah, it's funny if, if you just say what you mean
anyway.
So that's really good thatyou've learned how to kind of
(19:40):
trigger those playfulhumiliation.
It's like a game that you canplay with him.
Right, you figured out how to,oh, what are the rules and how
to play it.
And then you practice andyou're like, oh damn, I'm good
at this.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, yeah, or he is just very good actor, which I
don't believe.
Why would he bother?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
yeah, yeah, no, from what I've spoken with him,
you're good at it.
So what are some of the otherthemes that you guys have played
with?
Is it just like you talk about,like you sleeping with another
guy and you tease him about thatpart of it, or is this about
like fucking black guys?
Or is this about a sexualdenial and tease and stuff like
(20:20):
that?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh, it's a bit of everything.
It's mostly you know how smallhis stuff is compared to.
You know kind of like everybodyelse's yeah stuff is compared
to.
You know kind of like everybodyelse's yeah and um and how, how
other guys are good in bed andhow he's not okay.
(20:42):
So this is the reason he couldonly be a sloppy second and
never like a first pick andstuff like that all of that
stuff is such gold for cucks.
They're like, oh, so hot well,yeah, they, you know they didn't
(21:03):
have to survive the, the firstor the 10th bad, uh, bad, dirty
talk, so yeah yeah, exactly,exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It's a process and it takes time to get really good
at it and figure out what reallypresses the button for your
partner.
Yeah, and when you figure itout, when you figure out that
game, it's so fun to play andthis is why, like, there's so
many women out there who arelike, oh no, I can't be mean, I
don't want to be, I don't wantto degrade somebody, I don't
(21:35):
want to.
You know, I can't, I don't,that's not me, whatever.
And you, if you only were tolike really explore and what
Chris, my friend Crystal Welch,says she excavated her husband's
mind in that way.
She loves doing that.
She's like I'm going to exploreexactly what all of these
little insecurities are that heloves to like play with the idea
(21:59):
of this is hot if she says thisor does this.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And when you really explore your partner's mind,
like that man, it's like agoldmine of amazing, very
intimate, emotionally intimategame that you play with each
other yeah, and also, you knowwhat woman wants to do the
laundry, but she still does itbecause her family needs to wear
(22:26):
something and I, yeah, it's nothot to compare it with laundry
and I didn't want to, you know,do that kind of comparison.
But yeah, you have to thinkabout you know, if it makes him
so happy, why deny it?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
right.
I have a friend.
Years ago she said the samething.
She said it's a loving gesturethat you do for the person who
you love and, in fact, if youdeny them and not just like
ridicule somebody or or whateverbecause of their desires, but
if you deny them, isn't thatkind of mean.
You know, and, yeah, I get thatthere's some things that are
too far, but the really coolthing about you guys is that you
(23:18):
haven't made it so that youhave to sleep with other guys
for him to be feel fulfilled andI'm sure that he might argue
that because he really wantsthat but you guys have still
figured out a way to have funwith it together in the meantime
.
Until you figure out.
If that is something that youwant to do, yeah, and there's so
much value to that.
So for all of the guyslistening right now, you can
(23:40):
still play with this fantasywith your partner and have a lot
of fun with it and not have itgo what you would think as all
the way where she's cucking youwith another guy in real life.
I love the fact that there's somany more options other than
her just sleeping with anotherguy, because, let's face it,
(24:04):
it's not always safe to besleeping with other guys.
We're, as women, the ones whotake the physical and emotional
risk biggest risks when it comesto like sleeping with another
guy, whether that be pregnancyrisk, std, sti risks, physical
harm or emotional harm orwhatever, or the harm to your
(24:24):
relationship, like there's somany things that could go wrong
and so it is a big risk thatyou're asking someone to do.
It's not just about your bonerdudes I know you're listening to
me, right, do?
It's not just about your bonerdudes I know you're listening to
me right now.
It's not just about your boner.
There's a little bit more toconsider here.
So knowing that you can havefun outside of that is great,
and I think you guys are a goodexample of that.
(24:46):
Now I know from theconversations I've had with your
partner how much he is reallyturned on by cuckolding and lots
of other things too.
But have you felt pressuredover the years, like have there
been times where you're justlike, for fuck's sakes, I have
so much laundry to do and likethe kids are sick and like I
(25:07):
don't want to hear your shitabout this anymore?
Like do you get fed upsometimes?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And also like, probably the moments come from
lack of sleep, and you knowfrustrations and you know
problems on different levels,not on the relationship side,
but you know about life, you'rejust like bored, you're tired,
you're, you know, just grumpyabout stuff.
You know just grumpy aboutstuff.
But and this is also aboutcommunication that we just like
didn't talk about it, that heshouldn't send me just like
(25:55):
randomly some fantasy or likebeautiful pictures that he finds
and the beautiful pictures areof, you know, puck theme
pictures.
So if I'm just like standingwith my colleagues and and
waiting to eat lunch, then it'snot like the perfect time, I
(26:15):
don't know.
You know if he's asking haveyou heard about this problem
that we're having with our kidsor something?
Or he's just like sending mesome very dirty pictures.
So I just I just have to beprepared.
And, yeah, we just like didn'tplan or we didn't talk about the
(26:41):
rules of when he could send mestuff so he could spam you with
the cuck porn memes.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, yes, oh, I understand that.
Okay for the guys listening.
That is important.
Timing is very important.
Communication is very important.
Having the right time, rightplace, right setting right
everything to be able to sendthese things to your wife or,
you know, have her indulge inyour fantasy stuff.
You might be thinking about it24 hours a day, but she's not.
(27:11):
I can pretty much guarantee it.
No, she's not.
And then have you ever beenlike we need to take a break
from talking about cuckolding orkinky stuff, like I need to
just focus on kids for a littlewhile.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, well, there have been like times and times
during, you know, winter monthswhen everybody is sick for like
three months in a row.
Maybe only few days are, youknow, spaced between.
And so I've, just, like you,just have to listen to Venus
(27:54):
podcast.
I just like, I'm sorry, I'mjust like I need to sleep, I
need to clean the house.
Everything is disgusting,disgusting.
Everything is sticky.
You know, the kids are whining.
Yeah, yeah, I have a lot ofwork to do.
So, sorry, and and I think it'sa hot tip for guys that every
(28:20):
time you take out the trashwithout being told so you clean
something up.
You, you know, do the showerdrain clean up, then you can,
you know, be quite sure that thesex will come after that.
(28:41):
Yes, it's very true, because,like nothing kills your sex
drive more efficiently thanbeing overworked and overtired.
And if your partner is justsitting on the couch and you're
just like making constant drownslike kids, cleaning up the
(29:03):
toilet, cleaning up the bathroom, cleaning up the kitchen,
making dinner, doing stuff, andthen trying to sit just to do
your work stuff, and then hejust like has been sitting there
for 30 minutes at least and Ihaven't sat down for a minute,
(29:25):
and then he's just like, oh,what do you think?
Should we do something tonight?
How about you clean afteryourself?
I'm not even like asking toclean after anybody else, you
know, this is like the bareminimum.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
So, yeah, just clean up the sexual flow that is a
fucking hot tip for any guyslistening and I know like I.
I feel like this narrative ispushed a lot in society and in
as it should be.
But one thing that I haverealized is that women often
carry a massive part of themental load of the relationship
(30:08):
and of the family, and I didn'trealize this.
I didn't know that there was aword for this the mental load
until I started watching.
Zach Watson is his name.
For any of you guys listening,I'll put the link for him in the
show notes for today, becausehe talks about how partners can
(30:30):
help with managing the mentalload of their partner.
This is what you're talkingabout.
You get so overwhelmed with themental load of the housework, of
the tasks that need to be donethe dinners, the cleaning, the
cooking, everything, the sickkids, the whining kids, the
husband, whatever.
(30:50):
All of that shit is sooverwhelming that when your
brain is just so full of all ofthat there is no room available
for fucking kinky talk andthere's no desire for any of
that shit.
You're just like, god damn it.
I just want to get all thisshit checked off the list so
that we can, so I can think thatI can relax, you know.
(31:11):
So, absolutely, I feel like ifguys and there's probably lots
of guys who do already do thisinvest in their partner by
taking off the mental load fromtheir plate, it really does help
a woman get into the mood, thedesire to want to be able to
(31:34):
even think about sex orfantasies at all.
So it's definitely worthwhile,is definitely worthwhile.
But I do get some guys whothey'll write in, they'll send
in a voice note to the show orwhatever, and they were like,
yeah, so we have a seven monthold baby, me and my wife, and I
(31:54):
just really want her to cuckoldme, and I, you know I brought it
up.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
But she doesn't seem very interested.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Well, oh, oh, dear boy, I'm always like for real,
like maybe this is not the righttime of your life to be doing
this shit, like do you know whatshe's going through physically,
emotionally, everything.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, that's pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
That's why I was surprised to hear that your
partner brought it up to youfirst, initially after you'd had
your first child.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Like this is the most difficult part of your life
having kids Also the mostdetrimental part of your life on
your relationship, as it isnever mind kinky stuff yeah, and
also, like you know, if, if menwould consider all the things
(32:55):
that your body goes through,yeah, you know, like with all
the hormones, while beingpregnant, carrying around a huge
belly, then giving birth to it,do you know where the babies
come out from?
Have you seen it, guys?
And then what happens after thebirth, like have you seen the
(33:18):
diaper guys, like it's huge, thediaper guys, like it's huge.
And and after all of thebreastfeeding and the constant,
like nights and evenings and youknow I'm not talking about the
household stuff at all or theolder children, if you have
those.
So, yeah, with a seven monthsold, I don't think she is
(33:43):
harboring very much sexythoughts.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
No, she's probably not going to appreciate it very
much when you bring this up thatyou want her to do this for you
and you're adding one morething to the list.
But, yeah, for all the guys outthere who are really insecure
about the size of their wienerand that's every guy out there
they're just always likethinking about the size of their
dick and obsessed about it andit's such like a thing for all
(34:07):
of you.
Okay, so you guys have this likeinsecurity.
Can you imagine what women gothrough as far as insecurity
about their body, their fuckingpussy, their tits, their ass,
everything the size of theirbody or the stretch marks or the
everything that happens after?
I mean like everything thathappens to your body after you
have a baby or even during theprocess of pregnancy and
(34:28):
everything like that.
Just think about, like thateffect on a woman emotionally
and and how that affects yourconfidence.
So, anyway, there's a lot toconsider, but I'm I'm really
glad that you guys have figuredout a way to kind of still
regardless of the craziness ofparent life, motherhood and
(34:50):
everything like that figure outa way to have fun with it
together.
Now I understand that recentlyyou guys went to go and you
sought out a sex therapist orsomething like that.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, actually, I think she was more like, maybe
couples counselor, because we,we wanted to talk about some
like rules in the relationshipin the relationship, because we
(35:28):
we had some questions that justkept rising up and we we just
like had had some solutions, butwe felt that they're not
working anymore.
So we were just like went to herand and asked like how how can
we manage it better?
Or or should we, how is it fairto everybody, or the best way
(35:50):
to to make some wise decisionabout it?
And and I think that she, shedid give some sound advice
because, like my problem is thatI think I've always only had as
a normal evolution of like aromantic love, but for him, he
(36:34):
just he thinks I think maybe menthink in general more that, oh,
you can just lust and so that'salso like a good way to spend
time very comfortably, yeah, butbut for me, um, um, yeah, I
(36:58):
think I'm just like I can'tunderstand how we can, how I can
sleep with somebody else andnot jeopardize our relationship,
because I feel that in order tohave sex with somebody else, I
(37:18):
should be in love.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
But it doesn't seem like a very good plan.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Many women struggle with that balancing those two
things and figuring out a happymedium.
Many women do this is verycommon, and I suspect a lot of
guys who are listening to thisshow right now have had their
wife say the same thing.
I do think it's like so amazingthat you guys decided to reach
out to a professional and figureout like, how do we work
(37:48):
through this?
Because it's probably, you know, money you have to spend, time
that you have to spend to dothis, but very worthwhile, I'm
assuming, right right, oh yeah,because I well it.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know, that relationship that we have, it's
the best thing I've ever done inmy life.
So it would be like, really, Idon't know, I don't think it
would be easier somehow to throwit away and hope for the best.
And oh, maybe I could findsomebody else who, I don't know,
fulfills everything, becauseyou just like have to work on it
(38:35):
.
It's not like you have to findsomebody.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Exactly, and I feel like so many people, especially
the guys, because it's usuallyguys bringing it up with to
their wife and then she's likehell, no, whatever, whatever you
know, um, it is worth it to tryto figure out a way to make it
worth staying together for, likeyou guys have a family together
, you live together, you've gotlife plans together, you love
(39:02):
each other.
There's so much it's not worththrowing away just because you
don't want to fulfill thisfantasy.
All the way for him, right?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
now it's not worth it .
Yeah, and also I haven't ruledanything out and we'll just see
what happens, but until thattime I can do other stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Exactly, you can have fun with it Exactly.
All right, we are pretty muchout of time for this show, kelly
.
I've absolutely enjoyed havingyou on so much.
I think that so many people whoare listening are going to come
away with a lot of really goodinsight with this, so thank you
so much for joining me on theshow today.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Thank you for having me, it was great fun.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
That's going to be it for today's episode.
Thank you so much for joiningme.
Make sure you go toVenusCuckoldresscom.
That's where you can book aprivate chat with me, and you
can also join the QueensQuarters community and get all
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Oh, and you can also submit aquestion or confession for the
show.
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We'll see you next time.
Bye.
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