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Marc Smith (00:01):
Hello, my name is
Mark Smith and welcome to the
Village Halls podcast sponsoredby Allied Westminster, the UK's
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Hello, in today's episode weare joined by Philip Hinchcliffe
from Great Whittington.
Great Whittington Village Hallcame in third place in our
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Village Halls Inspiration Awards.
Welcome to the podcast, philip.
Thank you very much indeed forinviting me.
You're very welcome.
We are also joined by GavinMitchell.
Gavin is the Managing Directorof Allied Westminster.
As you already know, alliedWestminster and the Village
Halls Podcast started theVillage Halls Inspiration Awards
to celebrate the incrediblecontribution village church and
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community halls make to therural communities.
Gavin, welcome to the podcastonce again.
Gavin Mitchell (00:50):
Thank you very
much, mark.
Hello, phillips, good to behere again.
Marc Smith (00:54):
So, Gavin, I'm sure
our listeners are eager to hear
what stood out for you about theGreat Whittington Village Hall
and our Inspiration Awards.
Gavin Mitchell (01:02):
Well, I think it
was a well-deserved winner of
the awards that came in third inour Inspiration Awards.
Well, I think it was awell-deserved winner of the
awards that came in third in ourInspirations Award competition,
and I think under a few keypoints.
It was really, first of all, therevitalization of a historic
building what was effectively acold and damp and underutilized
stone building, originallyschool turning it into a warm,
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welcoming, eco-friendly villagehall.
An extraordinary achievementbecause, basically, there was a
revolution in the entirebuilding and the use of the
village hall incrediblysuccessfully the use of
technology, overcomingchallenges in terms of raising
grants and funding and goingthrough all sorts of hoops to
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basically revitalise the villagehall and, more importantly,
community engagement has verysignificantly increased with the
village hall.
Marc Smith (01:55):
Yeah.
Gavin Mitchell (01:57):
So an impressive
transformation from an old,
cold underused damp building toa vibrant village hall.
Marc Smith (02:08):
Excellent.
So, philip, actually can youtell us a little bit about the
village hall?
Before the new committee tookover it was an old school, is
that correct?
Philip Hinchcliffe (02:16):
Yes, it was
an old school.
It was the primary school forthe village and a bit of the
surrounding area.
It closed down in 1971.
There were only eight pupils atthat time and now the primary
school children go to a place 10miles away.
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So it was a disappointment thatit closed down, but it gave the
opportunity to convert it intoa village hall.
They'd been raising funds for avillage hall since the Second
World War and, we believe,before then, and so the hall was
well.
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The school was transferred tothe ownership of the village in
1972 and converted at that time.
So it's been a hall now forjust over 50 years and it's
always had a problem with itbeing a cold place.
We're a very small village.
At the time of conversion therewere only 35 houses in the
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village and so not a largecommunity, and so they did a
wonderful job raising money.
But as a school it had nightstorage heaters and that was
fine because the school closeddown at three o'clock in the
afternoon but most of theactivities were in the evening,
by which time the heating hadall run out, and in
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Northumberland it wasn't apleasant experience, and that's
where we were at the start.
Marc Smith (03:53):
All right, right.
So what were the immediateissues that were facing the hall
when you joined the committee?
Was it 2021?
Is that correct?
Philip Hinchcliffe (04:03):
Well, I
first joined the committee in
1977, having moved into thevillage in 1976.
But then in 1999, I retired andwe have a place in Spain, so we
were going to spend aconsiderable time of year in
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Spain and so a couple of yearslater, having passed on I was
treasurer at the time and Ipassed on to another committee,
who eventually passed on toanother committee, and that's
when the the idea of selling thehall came about and they wanted
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to pass the money to supportthe village pub.
So I came back onto thecommittee at that stage and we
decided that we needed torevitalise the hall and make it
into a warm, welcoming place, asGavin has suggested.
And that's what we've done forthe last three years.
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We've obtained funds for solarpanels, heat pump, we've got an
AV system, we've got 20 kilowatthours of batteries and we've
had money from Northern PowerGrid as well to make it into an
emergency hub, because duringStorm Arwen we were without any
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electricity for six days, andit's now a very warm, welcoming
environment and in Septemberit's going to be used on 22
occasions and we're very proudof that.
Marc Smith (05:49):
Wow, that's really
good.
What was the usage before allthe work was done?
I think you couldn't really useit in the winter.
Philip Hinchcliffe (05:56):
Well before
COVID.
The last winter, before COVID,in the three months from January
to March, it was used on eightoccasions.
Last year, when we just had theheat pump put in, it was used
on 35 occasions and, as I say,in September, this September
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it's going to be 22 times.
It's already booked for over 20occasions in October, november
and December's a bit early yetto decide.
Marc Smith (06:35):
Yeah, that's
actually pretty incredible the
difference between before thework and after.
It just goes to show that whenyou do put the work in to make
these places inviting, thatpeople do actually come, because
your village is 150 people.
Philip Hinchcliffe (06:51):
There's
about 150 people in the village.
There's just over 300 on theelectoral roll for the whole
parish.
There's a small village andthree small hamlets in the
parish.
But as an aside to all that,we've just become tied up which
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you won't have known about withthe National Theatre Live, and
on the 13th of September we'regoing to show our first
programme from the NationalTheatre Live, which is Public
Laughter an old cowed one.
We received the Blu-ray discjust on Friday.
We've had a trial run on the AVsystem yesterday and we're all
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systems go to produce eightshows a year on it Great.
Marc Smith (07:48):
Wow, that's very.
How did you manage to do that?
That's quite a feat.
Did you have to write to theNational Theatres to be able to
do this Well?
Philip Hinchcliffe (07:55):
we.
I was in contact with otherhalls in the community or in the
county and I discovered one,rochester, which had already got
an arrangement with them, andso I then approached the
National Theatre, and it's takena little while, but we've got
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the contract going.
It's a no brainer for us,because all they want, on a
trust basis, is a percentage ofour takings.
So even if there's only oneperson turns up, we still make a
little bit of money.
If there's 100 people, we'llmake an awful lot of money, but
we can't take 100 people in thehall.
Marc Smith (08:40):
That's really good.
So I think it's quite a vibrantcommunity you have there.
Philip Hinchcliffe (08:46):
Yes, yes,
there's still some split.
Marc Smith (09:09):
Some people still
want to support the pub more,
and we all do, even on thecommittee.
We want to support the pub.
It's an essential part of thecommunity, but they both provide
different facilities, yeah,yeah.
So what was the communityinvolvement like during the
process of upgrading the hall?
Philip Hinchcliffe (09:21):
Well, we're
a small committee now, only
eight people and a lot of people.
We have about 30 to 40 activemembers of the committee oh, not
of the committee of the hallwho support everything.
We have a coffee morning everyfirst Saturday of the month, so
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it's next week, this Saturdaycoming and there'll be 50 people
plus there.
So there's a lot of peoplecoming to the hall now.
Marc Smith (09:59):
Oh, excellent,
excellent.
So I'm right in saying that itwas November last year.
It was at the university groupand they've developed a process
map.
So you can allow othercommunity groups to a university
group and they've developed aprocess map.
Yes, so you can allow othercommunity groups to take
inspiration from yourself.
Was it renewable energy?
They were studying it was.
Philip Hinchcliffe (10:23):
After we put
in the systems I did a case
study of our trials andtribulations of doing it, which
were not inconsiderable, so Isent that to Community Action
Northumberland, which is thegroup that looks after the
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village hall in Northumberland,northumberland, and as a result
of that I was asked to take partin a working group from
Northumbria University who weretrying to do something on a
national basis, and they cameout of the hall and interviewed
us considerably I think itlasted nearly three hours one
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afternoon about what we'd doneand how things were going, and
they put that out as a nationalthing, partly through ACRE as
well, I believe, and so I thinkthat was probably one of the
main reasons we got an awardfrom Gavin.
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He'd know better than I would,but there must be many, many
halls that have put in solarpanels and heat pumps in the
last couple of years, but maybenot many have undertaken work to
pass that information on.
Gavin Mitchell (11:44):
Yeah, I would
agree with that.
I think what's absolutelyfascinating about your village
hall is it's a wonderful casestudy, and that's really why it
stood out from our judgingposition as something that would
be inspirational for othervillage halls, because I think
you executed the whole projectbeautifully and the fact it's
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become a case study ismarvellous.
Marc Smith (12:09):
Can you talk about
the funding that you got there?
So what were all the fundingopportunities that you went for?
Because obviously that's one ofthe hardest parts of these
types of renovations.
Philip Hinchcliffe (12:20):
Right Back
in April 1922, we were told that
the National Lottery wasproviding us a trial funding of
£500,000 to the North East andCumbria with a maximum grant of
£30,000 for capital projects.
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And we put in an initialapplication in June for £30,000.
Towards the cost of that.
It took a long time to getthrough the process, which was
fairly arduous, and we wereeventually approved in May 2023
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for £31,500.
For £31,500.
We'd made approaches to otherfundraisers in the meantime but
they'd all said, and quiterightly so, the National Lottery
is your lead funder.
Come back when they've givenyou the approval.
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So after we got the approval, wegot additional funds from
various sources.
Community foundation, newcastlewere, which look after funding
for many charities, were veryhelpful and we obtained 20 000
pounds from them.
From three different charitiesone provided 9 000000 and the
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other provided £5,000.
The one that provided £5,000 wewere very pleased with because
of the area of responsibilitythat they have only includes
three houses in our parish andtheir maximum grant was £10,000.
And we thought well, with threehouses we might get a few
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hundred.
But they came up to trumps.
The Willan Trust gave us £10,000.
And the county council gave usa total of £15,000.
£5,000 from their communitychest and £10,000 came from the
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North of Tyne InfrastructureFund.
So we ended up with £73,000 andwe had to commit £10,000, which
we had from the COVID ReliefFund.
We had from the COVID relieffund.
So the whole project in the endcost just under £74,000.
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So we didn't need to spend ourmoney, which meant we had enough
left so we could fullyredecorate.
We put in woodworm treatment tothe roof timbers which should
survive, make it last foranother 50 years at least, and
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we've replaced two felt roofswhich were over 40 years old and
in fact Gavin provided somefunding towards that because we
put in an insurance claimbecause one blew off in the
winds.
Gavin Mitchell (15:40):
Thank, you,
gavin?
No problem, that's what we'rehere for, however, prevention-
is always better than cure for50 years and this is the first
time we've had it happens, ithappens, it happens oh,
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excellent, excellent, well,that's, that's really good.
Marc Smith (16:03):
So well, that's.
We're pretty much coming to theend of our show there.
So just before we go, whatadvice would you give to other
communities or individualslooking to achieve something
similar?
Philip Hinchcliffe (16:13):
Right.
The main thing is be preparedthat it's going to take a lot of
time and hard work Gettinggrants from different
organisations.
They all have differentcriteria and, although you know
what you want to do, you've gotto build your grant application
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to what their criteria are andyou will get sufficient funds.
One of the problems we had wasplanning.
We're a conservation area andalthough the county council was
giving us funds on one side, theplanning department was trying
to stop us on the other side.
I eventually ended up onstepladders in the middle of the
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road with a camera proving thatyou had to be on the top floor
of a double-decker bus to seewhere the panels were going to
be.
Marc Smith (17:10):
Excellent.
So, philip, it's been anabsolute pleasure having you on
the show.
Thank you for sharing all yourinsights and experiences.
I'm sure listeners will be wellhave gained a lot from what you
shared today and, obviously,the process map.
It would be great to be able toshare that on our website as
well, just so other people canhave a look at what you did.
Yeah, so thank you very muchfor both of you for joining us
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on the Village Halls podcast.
Thank you very much for both ofyou for joining us on the
village halls podcast thank youvery much indeed for inviting me
my pleasure.
Gavin Mitchell (17:38):
Thank you very
much, mark.
Marc Smith (17:38):
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