#104 The Wisconsin Grappler!

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Speaker 1 (00:47):
Thank you.
Thank you, we're live big guy,all right.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
So a little weird.
As you can tell, we had thatmeld of sound going on over
there.
So don't be distracted.
You're going to watch us whilewe're doing this.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
We like to see how fat.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
We look on TV, so obviously it's spinning now.
We're probably disruptingsomething while we're doing it,
but I really don't care.
Anyways, we'll be talking abouta couple things today we're
going to talk about yourrankings.
You got a new website, that'sawesome, you got a new setup.
I'll tell you I do like thesetup, but I still don't like

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the setup.
I'll be your nicest critic.
I promise I'm not going to be adick about it or mean, but
we'll go through that later, butwe're going to talk about NCAA
stuff.
Then we're going to talk aboutwe had an interesting thing
brought up when I was on Twitter.
Someone had asked what sport ismore successful outside of the

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NCAA.
Once you get out of the NCAA,what's more successful?
Because, if you think aboutright, right now, because this
ties into what we're going totalk about with the um, ncaa
versus house, which I thinksometimes maybe people think we
talk about this too much, but Iwant people to be well aware,
yeah, of what the fuck is goingon, because it's it's getting
weird.
It's not that it's going to belike I don't want to be doom and

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gloom about it, like I think alot of people are kind of pissy
and just like oh, my God.
What I'm trying to advocate isthat people just go to the
events, pay the money to get inthe door, so that way you're
giving money to that program.
Everybody can't give $10,000 or$50,000 to a program, right,
but you can go to the programand you can give that the $10,

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$20, then whatever you're eatingfor concessions and things like
that.
I don't know how much of a cutthey get from that, but either
way, every little bit countswhen it comes to showing up just
because we don't know what isgoing to happen.
We don't know what's going tohappen at what schools.
We all know that.
Basically, if you're in aDivision I school, you have a

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football team.
You might want to watch yourbutt because they're going to
put money into that.
Now roster sizes have dropped.
So this is another caveat intothe whole thing.
Roster sizes drop, but they'resaying that they can give
scholarships to each, eitherweight class or each position on
the team or whatever it is.
So at first everybody was justlike oh wow, everybody gets a
scholarship.
Yeah, nope, that's not at allhow that's going to happen.
I mean, for some reason I thinkpeople give schools too much

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credit.
It's a business, so you don'twant to act like they don't have
a job to do, they still have ajob.
They still need to make aschool of money regardless,
because otherwise how are they?
Going to survive.
Now, on the other end of that,now you think about
personalities of administrators.

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Yeah, what sports do they like,right?
What sports?

Speaker 4 (04:55):
are their kids in not making the most money?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
correct, correct.
So what with that being said,it doesn't mean it doesn't mean
that they necessarily arechopping you know, sports up
because they hate, but they'redefinitely going to go to least
amount of money first.
Okay, well, these guys did kindof good this year.
Let's hold on to these guys.
These guys are, you know, fieldhockey.
These guys are welcome.
Let's go to these guys, right?
So each admin in each school isgoing to be different.

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You know, each school is goingto treat each sport differently.
Not everybody cares aboutwrestling.
Right.
Right.
So, and again, this does notmean that people in schools are
not going to try and getcreative to figure out a way.
There are going to be theschools that are going to try to
do the right thing, try andkeep as many sports as possible
and fight as hard as possible tokeep everyone that they have

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Right.
Now I see like flag football isgetting added what?
It's high school, high schoolor no, it's college.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
I guess it is an Olympic sport.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
We're still adding sports to schools.
Yeah, I guess I don'tunderstand and I don't get the
concept.
I guess, then, of how moneyreally gets spent is like what
is the decision making here?
Because, out of all the peoplethat I've talked to about this
revenue, obviously revenue isnumber one.
I would think that you knowpopularity within the school,

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like how many people areactually showing up anyways?
Dollar side aside, rightdollars aside how many people
are actually showing up anyways?
Dollar aside, how many peopleare actually going to it?
I guess the other factor that Iwould think that they take into
it is also travel.
What conference are they in andhow far are they traveling?
Because now you have travelexpenses added.
And was it Virginia just addedStanford?

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I think with that whole switchup or whatever, Are they on the
ACC?
Now Something changed?
Yeah, I believe.
So I'll double check.
But I'm pretty sure I heardthose guys saying now we added
Stanford into it.
I'm like whoa.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, oh no, you're just saying, they're going there
Well, yeah, it's part of it Ithink they're part of the ACC
now.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Oh, they are now.
Oh, they are, I think, becauseremember it was in USC or
whatever.
California schools are Big Ten,yeah.
And then there's some otherschools that left and went to
other conferences.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Dang, that's pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, acc is almost all East Coast.
You guys can call me out, I'mfine with that one, because I'm
not 100% sure but I'm prettysure That'd be a crap ton of
travel if you're going to doconference duels all on one
weekend.
So do you?
Then, if you're trying to savea team let's say you're trying
to save the wrestling team, okay, well, we don't want to be in
this conference anymore.
Let's see if we can buy it.

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I don't know if it's thatsimple.
This is the politics and thestuff about school and NCAA I
don't know about.
I'm guessing.
Do they say, well, we want totry and keep the sport around,
maybe we can change a conferencewhere they're not traveling as
much.
There we cut costs.
Can the coaches, uh, bring itdown a notch on each year, on on
gear or whatever it is?
You know with the contracts,maybe they have to rework those,

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but it's gonna get extremelysticky, you know with with how
these get handled and they'renot going to be completely you
know um out there and apparentabout stuff.
Some of these admins aren'teven telling their athletic
directors what's going on withit, because a lot of coaches
didn't know.
Because, again, at that time,two months ago, three months ago

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, I think, it was still inpreliminary.
It was still.
Just they put their word out,what they wanted.
The judge was a little gray onsome areas, but that's ENCAA.
Yeah, at least from legal room.
King of gray right.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Well, I think the it's nice that we have women's
wrestling already establishedand we're not scrambling to do
that for the two sports.
You can do two sports in onefacility.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Right, that's a double-edged sword though.
Yeah, you know, right, you know.
So let's say, your women's teamis more popular than the men's
team.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Now what.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
They've got to keep the men's around because it's
Title IX.
Go the other way.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
So, but not every school has it, though, right?
No, right, I think?
Maybe I don't know, and this isa guesstimate I don't know how,
on top of it, iowa reallywanted to be on having a women's
team, Right?
Do I think they regret it?
No, absolutely not.
I don't think they regret it atthis point, but I think that
was an add-on for a reason.

(09:16):
I think someone there kind ofknew what was coming down the
pipe.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like the perception would looka lot worse if we're trying to
do it now, the fact that theyhave it established that it
looks better Again, to theircredit.
We bang up jobs and put a teamtogether.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's nice to have six one-ranked guys or one-ranked
girls on your first year.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
You're starting to learn First year program.
We got six or one point girlson your first year.
Yeah, that's pretty cool andyou're starting a lineup.
Not to shat and you probably.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
First year program we got six, we were really hoping
yeah, it's the least we could do.
Yeah, the rankers don't knowshit no.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
But that portion of it is going to get kind of weird
.
So with a lot of thescholarships I was talking to
Madison about this the other daywith the scholarships that are
being taken away now fromschools Like Campbell, did their
thing and shout out to Scottie,senthison and those guys with
how they handled with their ADand things like that, because

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the AD a lot of times theirhands are tied, like some of
them might have a say.
There might be differentdynamics for different schools,
but, you know, sometimes theirhands are tied.
Some of them might have a say.
There might be differentdynamics for different schools,
but sometimes their hands aretied.
All they are is a messengerdown to the sports team saying,
hey, this is what the decisionhas been made with the faculty
and the administration.
So they played it really coolin saying hey, guys, lay off,

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don't be going down the 80sthroat.
They didn't do anything.
Shout out to those guys forthat, because this is a very
difficult time for people todeal with.
Yes, again, there are somepeople that probably don't care.
Ha ha ha, get rid of that one,get rid of that one.
There's going to be those.
But at the same point, though,too.
That's why, if we push enoughand our, our fan base really

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starts to kind of disperse thismore, to get just a fan base,
not even trying to get more kidsin wrestling, but get the fan
base, because that's where themoney is.
Right, like, get these people into watch.
It's an exciting sport.
Right like?
Everybody talks about how muchfolk style is better.
Well, show them right, showthem how much better it is you
know maybe take them to afreestyle one.
First they're like maybe youdon't want to do it, but you

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never know maybe they're goingto like how fast it is right,
and then you show them focus onlike whoa.
You know it's just waydifferent.
You know not different,different, but you know what I'm
saying.
Um, I think a lot of thepressure that comes down on the
athletes is not wondering ifwhat?
What's going to?
happen with my scholarship?
Yeah right now you're talkingto seven or 18, 19, 20 year old

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kid, who it may be graduates.
If they're seniors and juniors,it's probably not going to
affect them too much, right youknow?
But these freshmen and thesophomores, some teams have 45
kids yeah yeah, you know, andand you can't.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
It's not like, no, we have to make you a walk-on now
it's.
You can't be here, correct,correct?
So to that point, some of thed2, d3 schools, yeah, maybe they
start kind of they're in thesame boat, like I think nai is
going to grow that too, yeah,yeah, that's where I was.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
I was trying to get you a friend down the road.
Like this is all going to startkind of petering out and some
people don't, they're a littlepissed off about it or whatever,
and I get it, but it's like,hmm, may you know, financially
wise, hopefully guys wind upgetting where they need to be,
because that's just going to bethat, that's going to be the
shivers.
Guys are going to lose theirscholarships, right?
so now you do have to go forbest bang for your buck, right,

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but depending on what you wanteddo if you already had that
settled or whatnot.
But I think it's an interestingtime for these kids that not
only can't make the decision forthe next four or five years of
their life, now they're about tocompletely alter that decision.
I feel bad for them.
I'm not.
I think a lot of the guys thathopefully come out ahead are the

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guys that got lucky in themoney run.
That went on, but NIL ruined it.
Nil killed this.
Guys, let's be real.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's the entire reason, the top tier got more
money when they're going to geta ton of money anyway, so that
made a lot of sense for them.
But that's about the onlypeople, but they are the ones
generating the most money.
I get both sides of it, butit's just like do you really
need millions of dollars beforeI mean?
I understand there's injuryrisk, but there's injury risk in

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everything.
You're not going to ride in acar, you're going to walk
everywhere like at what point doyou?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
you're just going to hang out house?
Yeah, never leave.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yes, just in case, but at least you got a lot of
money.
You make a nice bed.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I just so that the big thing to me is you know we
talk about.
You hear a lot about loyaltyfrom athletes and and to their
teams and coaches, and viceversa.
Um there's a balance now it'snot just kids that are like oh,
I'm going for the money BecauseI talked to Madison about this
too is that these coaches getbonuses, they get perks if these

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kids win the Big Tens or theyAll-American plus their.
Gpa is a 3.7 or a 3.0.
All that stuff.
They get bonuses on top of that.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
We went over David Taylor's contract.
I remember there was all those,every All-American, every
national championship, everyteam national championship.
That's what it's going to comedown to.
It's going to be based on your.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Correct, and certain coaches, whether they think it
or want to admit it or not, butyou can tell, it's certain.
I'll say teams, certain teamshave turned to that aspect of
well, I need the top guy.
Not only is you're wonderingabout your scholarship, but now
you're wondering if that team'sstill going to keep recruiting
over.
Yeah.
Because now these teams aregoing to fill up faster the D2,

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the D3s, the NAIAs, that's allgoing to start to disperse and
now the pool's going to getsmaller Because, let's face it,
some of the schools are going tonot have wrestling.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
I mean, I talked to one of my old coaches at my
school in Indiana and he said hehad a kid going down to Super
32, and he is like a Greco FargoAmerican.
Right, yeah, he's never playedsome freestyle not really good
at freestyle, but he's good atGreco.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
And so he was on his way down to Super 32.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
I think he went like 2-2 at Super 32.
You know it's not horrible, buthe had called a school down
there I won't say what school.
He called a school or, likeemailed them and they were like
we're going to be down in thearea for the tournament, you
know what's going on and we'dlike to stop by.
And the coach just said look,because of the new rules, we're

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really not wasting our time ifyou're not in the top 5% of the
talent pool.
And he just said that bluntlyand I was just like, really, but
that's the harsh reality.
Yeah.
I mean, I would rather him belike that than be like, yeah,
we'll show you around.
Yeah, right, at least tell me,you don't have a chance here,
you gotta go somewhere else, andthat's the worst part, though,

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because they still have to playtheir cards.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh yeah, because if that other kid that they have
come in might say no, right, sothey need him.
Oh yeah, but, and so but theydon't have the room for at least
he was honest to tell him thatunless you do this, sorry man,
yeah, you know.
At least he was up front andtold, oh yeah but it was like
holy crap, could you imaginethat?

Speaker 4 (16:33):
like that would never happen when I was getting
recruited?
Send out a questionnaire, youcan come on campus.
That's not, you know, notreally wasting anything, any
resources or anything.
But yeah, he just bluntly said,nope, I was just like, wow, I
mean I gotta that takes stonesto do that.
That could be put out there onthe social media.

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You know, could you imaginelike the wrong person sees that
and makes it a stupid thing,like told him he's not good
enough and he hasn't evencompleted high school and all
this?
stuff I was just like.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I don't know well, I mean honestly, he gave him a
goal.
Yeah, I was like that coachprobably knew he wasn't done
with high school yet, so maybe,maybe we'll be calling it right
now you don't got it.
No, no.
So motivator, yeah, andunfortunately we are in softer
times.
Oh for sure, parents, wouldn't.
You know, if someone told me inthat would I be like, oh you

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know, no, you wouldn't.
But at the same time, though,too, I'd be like, okay, well,
what's up?
Yeah, like what does he need todo?

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Right, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, at least be a wake up call, oh yeah.
Yeah, I didn't bother man.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
I know you're going to be 30 minutes away, but
so-and-so is going to be for youguys.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
We don't need it.
Yeah, that's what I was justlike.
Yeah, I'm sure he didn't say it.
They don't mean it that way,but yeah.
He said it like that's all ascreenshot of the email.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Oh, it was an email, yeah, oh, okay, that's what I'm
saying.
Like I was surprised he put iton paper like that.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, yeah, I guess that could be misconstrued, but
I mean at the same point though,too is so yeah, I mean, they
mean that don't waste your time.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
We already have a list of guys.
It's turning people into reallystraight shooters.
That are not known to be astraight shooter.
I've heard never heard thatfrom that coach before.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Hopefully that helps the situation with whatever kids
are going to be going throughright now.
You hear the news and then fora while, like I said, coaches
didn't even know what was goingon.
I don't know how much theathletic directors actually knew
or not.
But like the coaches, I wish wecould tell you.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, okay, so it was justkind of surprising.

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Yeah.
I was surprised at how littleinformation these guys were
being given.
You know, in a situation that'spretty weird.
It's going to be trying, too,to put a team together.
It seems like right now,looking at a bunch of teams,
anyways, they had 30, 32, 33 orwhatever.
It wasn't a huge difference tothem.

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Now they actually have to go tothe numbers.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
What about, like we were going through, remember I
had pulled kind of go to thenumbers, yeah right, like oh,
yeah, but like uh, what about?
Like uh, you know I got we weregoing through.
Remember we, I had pulled allthe roster sizes of the d1.
We went over that last time.
Yep, an army had something like60.
Yeah, they don't give outscholarships, you know.
So it's like, yep, you're gonnatell these guys no, we don't
want you to be in the military.
You think it might be.
We don't want you to be awrestler in the military.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
I don't know how the rules work for those guys, but
you would think it would be anexception because they're
already there anyways doing acertain type of training.
So what's to say?

Speaker 4 (19:51):
they can't just be in a wrestling room, training and
combat Regulated.
You can't just make anexception.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
So there are already students there, but can you be a
student practicing, right,you're just not even trying out
for the wrestling team.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
It has to be part of the team.
It's not about roster size.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
But then off to the side.
Coaches consider you a reserve,but you're not on the team.
They just have a list of guys.
They're like okay, can a guyjust all of a sudden come out
and be like I'm going to go toschool?

Speaker 4 (20:20):
I'm already in school .
I'm already in school.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I'm going to go for the team.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
I think what's going to happen is there are going to
be clubs that pop up at schoolsBecause there is right now a
national tournament for a club.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's exactly what I said yesterday.
Oh really, I don't think a lotof schools will necessarily get
rid of the sport, eliminate itfrom school.
What they'll do is cut tiesfinancially from it.
Now they're going to be a club.
Now you pay dues, you pay.
Yeah, it's just like being aredshirt you got to pay for all
your tournaments.
You got to do all that on yourown, correct, um?

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So that that's kind of thefactor that I thought of, like I
said a lot of these athleticdirectors are going to try not
all of them would be like, sweet, we're cutting those.
They're.
They're gonna, excuse me, makean effort.
So like that, to me that's's aneffort.
It's going to change thelandscape, I mean completely and
forever, because it's going tobe hard to come back from that,
unless things just kind ofcompletely explode.

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Could you imagine like can theyeliminate boys wrestling from
the NCAAs?
Can they still keep the girlsNCAAs as long as they have the
club side of boys?

Speaker 4 (21:24):
No, because I, because for Title IX purposes it
wouldn't count.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
It doesn't count, okay so they have to keep it in
the NCAAs.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, it has to be an NCAA sport.
It can't just be like oh, yeah,we let them play in the corner
while we actually do NCAA stuff.
You know Right.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I just figured they're going to get creative
with ways to be able to.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Yeah, they'll try.
We let you in the room too.
It's just as important youdon't get any of the extra stuff
.
You got to buy your ownsinglets and shoes and
everything that's right.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I think the wrestling community, as far as the guys
that have this, will kind oftouch on the whole most success
outside of NCAAs.
I think a lot of guys fromwrestling really learn, I think,
for the most part, how to sellthemselves right, which as far
as camps and all that stuff, andmaybe it's a part of what they

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went to school for.
So they learn how to do that,sell themselves right, which, as
far as camps and all that stuff, maybe it's a part of what they
went to school for, so theylearn how to do that.
The marketing is terrible, likeour sport in general is not
very good at marketing.
A lot of guys have picked upthe pace in their learning right
and a lot of these guys are inmarketing.
So I mean, if you look at Mikeman manbrough, I think some of

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the stuff he does is pretty cool.
Yeah, so in putting content outor whatever it is, but pushing
is a brand, um, I think a lot ofwrestlers have really good
ideas for it.
I don't think like we'repicking the pace up if something
like this were to happen.
I think that could change forthose guys exponentially, yeah
even financially.
Um, just because I think itwould be a big opening for these

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guys now to sell themselveseven more down the road for the
sport.
Creating a club A lot of guysare probably going to look into,
you know, making a club, you'regoing to see probably even more
little ones pop up here andthere, where after a while it
becomes a professional sport.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying,and it could be.
It could be a good, it could bea professional sport.
Yeah.
You know what?
I'm saying and it could be agood, it could be a bad thing.

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We'll see how this all playsout.
We're just along for the ride,right?
Yeah, and we're here to talkshit about it, right, but it's,
you know, with a kid going intocollege, the success rate, I
think, for wrestlers leavingcollege.
I guess I'm going to preface itwith staying within their sport
, not going and doing businessand stuff like that real estate

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whatever.
Staying within the sport.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
The success rate is minimal, it's small.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I'm not going to put wrestling anywhere, even in the
top 25, when it comes to successrate.
Are guys successful.
Yes, we're a different brand.
I wouldn't even say we like Iwrestle, but wrestlers are a
different brand.
They're made different, sothey're definitely going to be
successful outside of the sportin general.
If you want to talk aboutsuccess rate outside of the

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NCAAs within their sport NFLhands down wins.
Hands down Now we werediscussing before where we would
place basketball or baseball.
I guess, I would probably putbaseball above basketball
Because of how muchOpportunities, more
opportunities.
The only caveat with baseballis that half these guys barely

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go to college.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
The only thing about that though, is like, yeah, I
think, other than like asia andamerica, baseball, you know, and
mexico like, but that's americalet's say south american, yeah,
but that's like the americas,you know.
So it's like right, there's notmany other like basketball.
You can play basketballprofessionally in europe, and
all those other countries too,yeah, so that's the only thing

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that I was thinking about.
After we had talked about it, Iwas like you only got two
opportunities.
It's a lot of opportunities,yeah, but because they got like
22 rounds- on the map orwhatever.
I don't know who watches thatwhole thing.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
I've never watched you talking baseball.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, I've never done it either it's, but it's the
most exciting.
I'm sure that watching actualyeah, baseball so I did some
like like service level, likeresearch kind of thing.
I didn't really get numbers ornothing, but I just said, like
football and men's basketballwere the most likely to gain the
most money.
Yeah, success, you know, andwomen's basketball is on the

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rise because of this whole.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Is that NIL or is that actual salaries?

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Because Caleb Clark is only getting not even 80
grand Endorsements, and stuff ison the rise for women's
basketball.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Sure, she has the millions for that.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
That's where it's coming up, and Reese did her
self really well with stuff.
She got a lot of endorsementsearly on too.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Missing shots and making rebounds Right.
I love watching that argumenton Twitter.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
It's hilarious.
But then it says baseball andhockey are the next two.
Hockey, really, that's what itsays, Legends in these sports
have a chance to earnprofessional contracts,
especially if they excel incollege.
Nhl.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I suppose hockey is pretty widespread.
That's not a minimal area likebaseball.
You wouldn't think of that.
It's not a place that hasindoor ice.
I can't imagine why theywouldn't try and have a sport
like that there.
Then it says golf and tennis.
Those are more.
It's not a place that have likeindoor ice.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Oh yeah, and so I can't imagine why they wouldn't
try and have a sport like thatthere.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, Okay, all right , then it says golf and tennis.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
But those are more.
The thing that's weird aboutthose are they don't really get
that much marketing or sponsorsAt all, but their earnings are.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
If you're good, it's a wealthy level.
Yeah, it's a wealthy club.
It's not to say that the otherones aren't, but because of how
small it is that they still makethat decent amount of money.
You just have so many peoplethat are loaded with the clubs
alone.
Their payouts and everythinglike that are just nuts.
Then the sponsorships that theyget Nike.

(27:21):
That's obviously what TigerWoods and all that stuff is all
about.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
The only thing about wrestling is we don't get any
media.
We don't get any endorsementsNot really, unless you're
watching the one week that thewrestling's on ESPN Some
commercials that are made forthat one weekend.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
And the thing with that too, is that and I know
there are some now that are free, but you still have to have a
way to get it.
Like, if you're just sitting inyour living room still with
like a transmitter box orwhatever, you ain't getting shit
.
You're not getting it with abunny ear Is what it is.
But hey, those are the guys.
Go Go watch it.
Go to the arena that is closestto you that has wrestling.

(27:59):
Go pay to watch it.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I don't care how small it is, go pay to watch it,
as those fans that are like nothad any sibling or relative in
the program for 30 years, theystill go to every correct.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
You know correct, exactly, exactly.
So, um, well, we got a littleoff track, I guess, so we can
call it now.
Yeah, um, where are we?

Speaker 4 (28:15):
at uh, I was just saying like, uh, like I got down
the list, but then yeah it, itonly listed those for me.
And then said wrestler's pathto professionalism was only
Olympic wrestling, professionalwrestling or UFC.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, so now, that's something to be said too not
just.
Ufc combat.
How would we consider?
Outside of wrestling successother than camps and coaching.
Right, that's what makes it sosmall, but if you start, if you
do put it in with MMA do you putit in with jiu-jitsu, that kind

(28:50):
of thing being on its own it'stough, but the guys that do stay
within the sport do fairly well.
Not all of them are able to doit forever.
They do wind up having to jumpoff, so I guess it's not really
super successful.
But not every football playerstays in football right they
still retire and and dosomething else.
So I guess if you do the ratiosof numbers and numbers, the

(29:13):
success rate is still reallygood.
Yeah, within the small group,but in the grand scheme of
things, man, I mean, it's hardagain, marketing it's, it's hard
.
These.
I don't know if a lot and a lotof the guys are taking
marketing courses and aregraduating as marketing guys,
but I think we keep things sotight, like wrestlers working
with wrestlers.
There's a couple guys that windup going outside of the norm,

(29:35):
that get out into the world atlarge and not just in wrestling
with their talent, but I think,at the same time, economically
too.
Economically, wrestling hasalways been such like kind of a
I don't want to say poor sport,but low money sport, right as
far as just what it takes to dosomething plus what you bring in

(29:58):
.
So it's hard to value.
It's hard to value exactly,Unless you're a head coach at a
university.
Yeah, Like I mean, how do youvalue yourself as far as
wrestling?
and the knowledge that you haveGuys with clubs, ben Asper and
all those guys.
I mean they changed.
They didn't just start a club,right.
I mean he changed the waywrestling was in a way, in a big

(30:20):
way.
But it's like it's hard to getpast all those other huge sports
.
That's again where we run intothe issue with the NCAA stuff.
Sports that will be eliminated.
We'll find out what the successrate is really going to be.
Even some of the guys that havebeen in college wrestling

(30:41):
already not every one of thoseguys is going to start a club,
but I'd definitely be interestedto find out what happens with
that fallout?
because, again, success goes along ways when you're dynamic.
Same thing with wrestling.
If you're not dynamic and havesomething behind you to back you
up.
As my single leg doesn't work,do I have a double leg that I

(31:02):
can work with?
You've got to be able to go tothe next thing, and successes, I
guess, is balanced differentlyby everybody, but I think a lot
of wrestlers do wind up doingfairly well because they're
harder workers yeah I, I.
You can compare like someonethat graduated and is from
california versus someone that'sfrom wisconsin.
Yeah, there's there's just aknown theory within the industry

(31:24):
.
The midwest you know people thatlive from the midwest are hard
workers, so they want to bringthose guys out to california to
work and stuff like that, sothey're always looking at like
uh, the badgers?
Yeah, for people that aregraduating for certain degrees
and things like that.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
But this sport alone, you know,breeds that, yeah, so I think a

(31:44):
lot of guys just because beingin the sport is successful.
We'll see that ChanceMarsteller movie coming out
that's going to be on flow,talking about addiction and
stuff like that.
I don't think we see a lot ofthat, because I think it gets
hidden.
Yeah it does for sure.
Guys who could have done reallywell, and I'm sure there's
plenty of stories out there.

(32:04):
I'm not going to name names ortry to guess who might have done
really well, and I'm surethere's plenty of stories out
there and I'm not going to namenames or I'm not even trying to
guess who might have the sametype of story, but I think the
upper sports NFL, nba I thinkthose guys have a harder time
socially because of the fame,because of being in the
spotlight.
Wrestlers make a good living,and especially the guys who are

(32:25):
successful coaches, things likethat, but even the guys who are
running their own businesses.
They live really well.
They learned discipline andthings like that through the
sport.
So I would think, just a moralstandard in my opinion.
I think a wrestler lives abetter life Just because of the
things that they had to gothrough to get to where they
were, especially someone thatstuck it out.

(32:45):
Even the kid that goes all theway through high school and
wrestles and then he's done.
He's still learning lessonsthat he's going to carry.
I think I'd put a little moreweight on a wrestler's success
when it comes to after college.
Maybe you were in something fora little bit, doing camera work
or whatever it is, and nowyou're doing your own business
and yeah and you're successfuland you're doing that.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
I think wrestlers probably strive a little better
it was, uh, I got like a littlestory, like it's like, uh,
wrestlers always look out forone another too.
You know, yeah, you, you're inlike a job interview and you see
somebody that's got like callflyer.
You're like, yeah, you know,like you kind of just like,
where'd you get that?
You know, yeah and uh, but Iwas at like my daughter's soccer

(33:28):
, like we had like end of theyear banquet thing, like with
the parents at another parent'shouse, like just like a get
together, you know, like thelast match or last game,
whatever you call it.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
So you don't know about soccer, it's so weird
we're at this thing.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
I'm kind of the guy that sits over until the end of
the field because I don't knowanything that's going on.
I watch it my daughter's thegoalie anyway so I kind of want
to be down there anyway.
Coaching her.
No, I'm not coaching her at all.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Oh, you're not.
I know you don't know this part, but you're not like hey, pay
attention.
Hey, what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (34:06):
No, because she gets thrown off.
If I do that, I tell her listen, your coach, I don't know
anything, you're not that dad.
No Good job.
I know my shortcomings.
I don't know anything aboutthis.
I do the same thing.
I bet when I don't know shit.
So I was at this party and Ididn't really get along with
many of the parents.

(34:27):
I didn't really talk to many.
And we were at this thing and Imentioned wrestling and this
other guy just kind of like, doyou coach wrestling?
And he just started talking tome for like an hour Hadn't even
said hi, my name is anything forthe whole season so once he
found out I was a wrestler andstill and still coach he's like
I wanted to be my best friend.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I was like, this is so strange, like and because you
don't think that.
I mean, we know that our worldis small.
Yeah, we're well aware thatit's small, but I think it's
hilarious that, like you said,you go to it but, it's the same
thing happened to me.
I saw someone had a wrestlingsticker on their toolbox yeah
and I saw it and I'm like that'sreally weird why would someone
have is that their toolbox.

(35:05):
He said oh yeah, he justbrought it in.
He just started, it was Wyman's.
Oh, okay.
And I was like, oh wow, man, youguys got hired like a wrestling
dad, you got something goodyeah.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Good job and then and he's going to be like go all
over the country for you right,exactly, give him.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Sure, he's a good order and that's happened before
too, but anyways, the um uh,another one, I was wearing a
askren jacket.
Yeah, just walking to a newcustomer's place, the guy was uh
, machinist, he's sitting therelooking, he goes that that.
That is that that askren.
And I was like, yeah, that'sthat askren, and my son goes
there.
He goes.
Oh, your son wrestles too, huh.
And I'm like, yep sure does, andhe's got a younger son and, um,
he was just kind of telling meabout how impressed he was.

(35:49):
This is obviously a guy thathas not been around wrestling
until now that his kids in ityeah, he goes, man, those kids
learn a lot of hard work and alot of this one was like yes,
they do, yeah, yes, they do, andif they stay with it, they're
going to learn even more.
Oh yeah, so it's kind so it'skind of funny how just those
little run-ins like that happen.
But again, I think the successrate, I think the all-around

(36:11):
success rate, I think I wouldgive an A-plus to wrestlers when
it comes to just determinationand things like that that's made
out of feelings.
That's not really based off ofstatistics and percentages, but
percentage-wise we're on thebottom.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Oh yeah, way on the, the statistics and percentages,
but percentage wise we're out ofbottom.
Oh yeah, way on bottom.
But you go into wrestlingknowing you're not gonna make
anything and if you do, it's aplus, right?

Speaker 3 (36:31):
right for sure nobody goes into wrestling like I'm
gonna make bank.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be able to go to this.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
You know tournament, get noticed and get a
scholarship right away and thething that I you know, I applaud
the kids that are able to do it, that were able to make money,
but it's a double edged sword.
But I was also like man nowyou're going to make other kids
like.
That's going to be their motive.
Yeah.
I mean that's cliche or whatever, but it's what it is Like
they're putting themselves outthere, you know.

(36:57):
So I do appreciate the factthat somewhere, somehow, it was
recognized that these guys areworth something.
Right, the way we went about itwas horrible.
So now we're paying the priceand I think, um, like I said, I
think we'll find out with thefallout how successful some of
these guys can be.
I hope I hope as many of theseguys can band together and all

(37:19):
start as many clubs as possible.
Just invade every town, everystate, every nook and cranny of
this country with wrestling andwhere they can't ignore it.
Will that happen?
I'm very doubtful.
That's also the community welive in.
With wrestling, everybody talksbig game, but they put up and

(37:40):
do it.
That's why every day if notevery other day.
I keep putting things out therelike go to the events, go, go,
I'm going to find out when UWOwrestles at home.
I'm going to go.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
I think they're in a match today.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
I saw something I can't remember.
Is it here, though?
No, it's not.
Oh, is that a UWO event?
Oh, it's not like long ago.
Oh, is that a you-know-whoevent?
Oh, yeah, is that?
Yeah, that's neat.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Well, I mean, they're getting some shit out there.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Honestly, I like the mix-up of the teams like that I
don't care who's putting it outthere.
I like that they're doing that.
I care more about the peoplegoing to watch it, if I can get
to.
That's the other thing too.
Those guys doing that are theteams making anything off that?

Speaker 4 (38:25):
I'm not sure.
I know, like as a wrestler,it'd be pretty cool to go to
like your old high school andwrestle like one more time.
Oh for sure, yeah, like Forsure.
I'm sure somebody on there wason the one ago, you know.
So that's where.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Jake went, wasn't it?
Who.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Jake, no, no, he went to Pewaukee.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I thought one of them was McGowan.
That was the other one, rq.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Oh, rq, gotcha, who are you talking about?
I?

Speaker 4 (38:52):
won't name their names.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
I'll say Wisconsin Wrestler Podcast.
You should actually go listento those guys.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
If you guys want to understand because we're not
going to do it here.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
We'll talk a little bit about it, but if you want to
understand the intricacies andliterally the ins and outs of
each sectional, yeah andregional and staying on top of
that, we talk about state right.
I am not even going to trydiving into.
We might have fun one time and,like, use their graphic to kind
of talk about something, but Iam not going to dive into the
stuff that those guys dive into.

(39:20):
Yeah, definitely go listen tothe wisconsin wrestler.
If you're someone from adifferent country, different
state, whatever, and you want tounderstand Wisconsin wrestling,
put those guys on.
They have some pretty goodcoaches on too.
I'll admit that I think thoseguys do a good job dealing with
all of that because, man, that'sa lot of info.

(39:40):
I remember was it last year,maybe they do it every year, but
they put that map out when allthe regionals and sectionals and
stuff are.
For a while I couldn't figureout how to get it off my map.
When I would pull up GoogleMaps and go somewhere, all those
hot spots were listedeverywhere.
I don't need that on my map.

(40:01):
Good to those guys that do that.
Anyway, it's not for those guys.
So you started.
We're done talking about NCAAs.
Now we're going to move on.
You started a different website.
Yeah, still the same name.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Why did you change it ?
I mean, I just wanted to getmore user-friendly.
I mean I just wanted to getmore user-friendly and it's kind
of nice to have the pictureswhen I was able to get them at
least, and then a lot easier forcoaches to kind of know who's
on what team, and all becausethere's a lot of moving around.

(40:41):
That's happened.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
So I'll be honest here.
It's the first time I've beenon the computer website.
I've only been on my phone.
I'm going to tell you it'sfrustrating.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
On the phone.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
But I'm going through .
Right you, it's frustrating Onthe phone.
Yes, yeah, but I'm goingthrough right now as we're
talking, so I didn't mean tointerrupt you, but go ahead and
elaborate on what you got goingon.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Oh, you're fine, it's just you know we got a.
Now you can click on whenyou're in the actual rankings.
You can click on the team andit'll bring up everybody on that
team that is ranked and whatweight they are and all that
stuff, and so a lot of uh,coaches corner.
I'm not going to bring that back, probably this year no I was
going to run something throughthe coaches association with

(41:22):
that, yeah, and make it a.
Uh had to be a wca member toaccess it because it will be
like a little bit more in depthfor sure, sure For sure.
Regular fans don't need accessto it.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Does that?
So in that coach's corner,though, are you able to give?
Is it like charts you can putin there?
Yeah, what type of environmentis it that's different from like
what we're seeing?

Speaker 4 (41:45):
It'll be just stuff like that coaches need.
They don't need all this otherstuff, they just need the
results.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Like you'll click on a kid's name and others give you
the results, gotcha.
So on here on the websiteitself.
Way easier, right, like on here, not on my phone.
I don't get that, likeobviously it's a drop down to
whatever, but then it's just d1and then all of a sudden d1.
I gotta go, I gotta scroll allthe way down, all the way back
to find 165, okay, then I get.
if I want to go check out 126,it goes all the way back up,
whereas on here 165.
Okay, if I want to go check out126, it goes all the way back
up, whereas on here look.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
I can go to the sidebar.
Well, the sidebar.
I can't get it.
I can't get it to be.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I know you only have so much.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yeah, I get it.
I'm not going to build my ownWordPress you couldn't do a
dropdown.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
No, you couldn't do a dropdown.
No.
So go to rankings division one,division one.
Go to dropdown, not in thisformat, oh no.
But I do like I said on here,Way better.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
I have done away with the full size ads too.
Good job, yeah, but you don'tget the full pages anymore.
I've got so many texts frombrad saying I don't want to go
to this site every time I'mtrying to click a name oh, it's
so.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
It was weird, because every time I try to click on
something, it's something thatwould pop up and hit that ad.
I'm like you, son of a.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Yeah, they have a camera when my finger's getting
there, so I've done yeah I gotthe just the half ads and then I
got the on the sidebar, theclass of X.
I don't know if you've heardabout that, but it's middle
school and under right now it'sa new tournament I guess that's

(43:30):
being started up for elementaryand middle school kids.
Class of X.
Class of X.
Class of X, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Who has what it takes to rise through the ranks.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Yes, and it's done by , instead of done by, what year
you're born in, it's what gradeyou're in currently.
So that's kind of a differentway to do it.
They reached out and wanted to.
That's different, and that'sonly in Wisconsin right now.
Way to do it they reached outand wanted to.
That's different.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
And that's only in Wisconsin right now.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yeah, right now it's only in Wisconsin.
Class of X.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
What's the format it's just a regular type
tournament.
Yeah, it's, oh, but just bygrade.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah, just by grade and weight, obviously.
Oh interesting, yeah, so theyreached out and just that's cool
.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, so they reached out and just that's cool.
Yeah, trying to get differentthings out there for Class of X,
Wisconsin Youth ChampionshipsInteresting.
Yeah, it's a new tournament, soAll right guys.
Check that out.
Good luck.
Yeah, good luck.
Running a tournament's fun.
I'm thinking I do want to getanother one going.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean I've been talkingabout one for a while, but it's
always trying to figure outdates and you know when things

(44:36):
work and off season in seasonbecause I wanted.
I wanted to be a high schooltournament yeah, yeah, when you
do it though, yeah I'm not goingto try and compete with all the
bigger tournaments, like in thefall or whatever yeah, but
anyways, back at back on yourwebsite here.
Okay, how long did it take youto do this?
What is yours through WordPress?

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Was that pretty easy.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yeah, once you get the, you just go find a layout
or whatever.
Yeah, just one that this isactually a soccer layout.
That's what the thing is.
You just changed up whateveryou need to change.
Yeah, I changed up the lingo,nice.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
I'll be able to, then I'll be able to.
People are probably gettingbored, but this is the kind of
stuff that's interesting, ohyeah.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
But I'll be able to link up when like now.
I used to have the significantwins.
I'll still have that, but I'llbe able to link them in this bio
or in the little where it saysprevious state experience and
significant wins and all that.
So I'm going to click on theathlete here because I haven't
done that yet.
Oh nice, okay, yeah, so you dothat and then you click on a

(45:41):
significant win and it'll takeyou to that kid.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Ooh, look at you with your Rockfin links and stuff.
Look at this guy.
Yeah, because the way you haveit in, so I go to Liam's, you
have MadSkull rankings.
Oh yeah, when I click on that,it takes me to mad scouts.
Right?
Yes, that's what I'm talkingabout.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Oh yeah.
I thought you meant to likeyeah, but that one's a paywall
for you, so like that flow isfree, so it takes you directly
to the actual oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but like mad scouts toeach individual weight.
But if you clicked on like theflow it'll take you, like,
directly to that weight class.
So 32 well pound for pound yeah, nice yeah, I tried to do that.

(46:23):
I reached out to both of them tomake sure they're cool, you
know, just yeah, because I don'twant to put something out there
if they.
I mean, obviously flows is free, yeah, willie's is just paid.
So I asked Willie to make surehe was cool with publishing that
, because you know that couldyou never know what people are
going to do.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah, don't get so upset about it.
Yeah, I get it.
I get it.
It's pretty cool.
Yeah, you put their GPA in hereyet.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
No, not yet.
I haven't got to that point.
Are you going to do that?
I'm going to yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
But is that going to be more on the coaches' side,
like you're talking?

Speaker 4 (46:56):
about yeah, that'll be on the coaches' corner.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Gotcha, you don't want everybody knowing what
their GD is?
Yeah, well, I'm going to givethe kids access to that so I
don't want it to be To thecoaches' corner.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Yeah, I don't want that to be publicly seen.
You want to look like a.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Well, you can have the kid fill it out.
Yeah, and on their end it onlypublishes to the coaches.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Yeah, because I don't want it to be public, because
if I let them have free reign,they just put.
I want to know how smart thiskid is yeah, Put it out there,
Right?
Well, I'm just saying like itwould be stupid of me to give
them that free reign to mywebsite.
Oh yeah, so the coaches cornerwill be theirs to put whatever
they want to put on there.
And if they want to look like abutt head to the coaches, go

(47:40):
for it.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Oh yeah, they're willing to put it out there.
It's on them.
Yeah, they can tie their, theycan tie all their socials and
everything together, because Imean I could do that, but that
would take forever.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
This was a lot to get all this like, because at the
end of the year I usually have arunning total of like their
career records.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, it had disappeared somehow, so I have
to redo all that oh yeah, yeah,they're written down somewhere
though well, it's in, uh, it'sin the cloud now yeah, somewhere
.
So are you able to are?
Is it something like you havean excel file and you somewhere,
though it's in the cloudSomewhere, so are you able to?
Is it something like you havean Excel file and you can export
the information from that Excelfile into the backside of your

(48:25):
website?

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Yeah, that's how initially it went in, but now,
since everything's loaded, Ihave to manually do it.
I guess if I'm to manually doit, I've got to see if I'm
getting oh.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Sorry folks, that was kind of rude.
I think it's a lot better, justlike I said, just on the
computer side, if there's a waythat I can help you reformat it
on the phone side.
Oh, that's right, she's theguru, that's right.
She's the guru, that's right,because you are not tech savvy,
not at all, barely talksometimes, folks.

(49:04):
I'd love for him to have his owncamera hooked up on his
computer.
I'll get it set up eventuallythat way where we have another
camera.
Obviously it's not superimportant to us.
But I can't even get him toplug in the computer, the camera
into the computer, and then beable to balance out the sound
from his computer.
I mean he doesn't rememberwhere settings is.

(49:25):
I told you, I'm a Mac guy.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
This is.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
You know, I have my own opinion about Macs.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Another thing I added this year was a ranking by
sectional.
It's kind of a.
I like that.
Uh, I used to work for the uh.
Indiana, matcom in Indiana, andthey always had semi-state
rankings, which is basically oursectional, so team rankings.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah, you've always had.
Yeah, I always had teamrankings.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
But ranking by sectional kind of lets you know
who's ranked to go.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Obviously Casco's 10, huh, yeah, Okay, I'm not saying
that but I was going to saythey're young, I didn't think
they'd be tough.
Yeah, okay, interesting.
Then Rapids making its way backhuh.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yeah, this is going to be an interesting sectional,
that's for sure.
We got them in team sectionalnow Nothing like having
potential state finals matching.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Right.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Oh God, on a random Tuesday.
On a random Tuesday, random.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Tuesday or Wednesday, whatever the hell it is.
So are you a part of and Imight have asked you this last
year do you go to any of thecoaches' meetings, like all the
stuff that has to do with theteams?
Does Machak have you go and sit?
In on any of that or no?

Speaker 4 (50:50):
No, he just conveys the message.
Well, we go to the one inFreedom that's our district.
Oh, okay, we go to that everyyear.
Gotcha, did you go to what'ssupposed to be on the docket for
changes and everything?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, yeah, you go to the.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Coaches Association thing.
I've never been to the clinicconvention.
No, they have never been tothat.
No, it's always when I'm doinglike a, we do like early
Thanksgiving with my side andthen do Thanksgiving with her
side, so it's usually thatweekend like the first weekend
in November.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
so I miss it every year.
So I miss it so with with thewebsite change, have you noticed
more traffic?
Yeah, especially preseason.
Yeah, yeah, I mean everybodythe website change.
Have you noticed more traffic?
Yeah, especially preseason,yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Getting good feedback .
Yeah, I mean everybody actsunless I rank a kid wrong,
except for me bitching about myphone.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yeah, those ads are so annoying and I get it.
I know that they're there, butevery and you can make them go
away, but then the whole blockon the bottom doesn't go away.
Well, why this app?
Just delete it.
Can.
I just exit out.
Hey, you showed me you did yourjob for Zach.
Now just go away.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
You've got to get another one after that.
It's so horrible, non-stop.
I've got to make my pennies.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
You've got to pay the bills.
I've got to.
I gotta make my pennies.
Gotta pay the bills.
Gotta make my pennies.
It's depressing.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Again that class effect, that is interesting.
Yeah, I think that'll be a verycool.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I'm wondering what made them start this.
What was the difference of?

Speaker 4 (52:31):
The WWF championships .
It's kind of come back now.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
A little bit because I mean mean the WWF
championships.
It's kind of come back now Alittle bit because I mean, are
they trying to challenge that?

Speaker 4 (52:41):
I have no clue.
I think they're just trying tooffer something different,
because this will tell you whois going to be good in that
class.
Like the WWF, I never know ifthe kid's a 6th grader, 7th
grader, 8th grader.
You know, I have no clue.
I have to do so much researchon WWF just to see what age this
kid is.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
I'm going to send this over to Joe.
This sounds a three to fourhour session max per grade.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Yeah, I like everything he was sending, so
I'm on wrestling anywhere.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Oh, yeah, for sure I was kind of curious as to what
their.
This is all just towards theyouth wrestling, right yeah.
Didn't do kindergarten.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Wow, making a stand.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Right in the line, right in the sand.
No kindergartners here.
Schedule Interesting.
I didn't realize they'd bepushing Class of X right now,
but kind of interesting whatthey got going on.
So set 8 to noon 2nd and 4thgrade Look at that.
Oh, 12 to 4 for 1st and 3rd.
Wow, there must be some parentsrunning this.

(53:49):
Yeah.
Because they kind of understandhow the age is working.
Yeah 2nd and 4th, fourth oreighth and noon, those kids can
handle that.
Oh, yeah, they're right.
Sixth to eighth grade, or 10 to2, 10 am they're finally out of
bed.
Yeah, you know that kind ofthing.
Wow, fifth through seventh 2 pmto 6 pm yeah, and they kind of
you know that's the aren'tnervous about high school yet

(54:11):
they're still alright.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
They still think it's all fun and games.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
That's interesting.
Alright, joe and I are going totalk about this.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Yeah, I thought it was very cool yeah.
They put together their own adsand stuff.
I was like yeah.
Give me some, and I'll for sureput it on there.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Well, that makes sense.
Yeah, I was like, who wouldhave come up with that?
Yeah, kate.
Oh well, that makes sense.
Yeah, I was like, who wouldhave come up with that?
Yeah, yeah, okay, thatclassifies.
Okay, well, well done guys, Ilike that.
I like how the timeframes andstuff like that spelled out in
there.
They better hold those.
Yeah, I know.
Oof.
We're a rough community when itcomes to schedule.
That's an 8.15 week, Art.

(54:52):
Well, now 8.16.
Something says 9 o'clock.
It turns 9.01.
I always see people looking attheir watches, oh yeah.
Oh, it's 9.01.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
We started heavy sign .
Yes, we got it.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Okay, so that's what you get folks, when you get us
talking man we're going gonnatalk about the ridiculous and
probably the hilarious.
Um, I never afraid.
Someone posted a video, or Isaw someone had posted a video.
It was a past one, but they'rewrestling somewhere and they
made the comment that they don'tstop even for, uh, fire alarms.

(55:28):
Wrestling doesn't stop.
And I wanted to go back.
Liam was at appleton north yeah, I think it was a regional and
he was beating Ava Gardner.
No, not Gardner, ava Peters, hewasn't, they're little.
She had beaten him before that.
He was up and then they got abreak because the fire alarm
went off.
They had to empty the school.

(55:48):
They go back and get a littlelost.
Awesome, mojo.
Yes, they do stop wrestling forfire alarms.
So that is highly inaccurateand it screwed up Liam's day the
whole rest of the day.
But yeah, no, I saw that waspretty funny.
But no, it's good, I thinkyou're, I think you what you got

(56:11):
on there, especially this classof X, that looks good yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
I give them a little bigger page.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah, we just got got on there.
Especially this Class of Xlooks good.
Yeah, I'd give them a littlebigger page.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Yeah, we just got it on there last night.
Oh, did you?
Yeah, oh, okay, Just trying tofigure out how it fits.
It's like that's another thingabout the.
That's why it sucks on themobile.
Yeah.
Because this is on the sidebarand the sidebar is all the way
down the bottom.
Oh yeah, is all the way downthe bottom.
I cannot figure out how tochange it.
Really.
Yeah, it's not very mobilefriendly.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
That's all I've been doing is building a website.
Go out and everybody else, goout and check out the gear that
we have on the website.
It's Lyric Ketzer's signatureline.
We did a line for Lyric Ketzerout of Ohio, triple crown winner
.
Go check out.
We got hoodies made for her, wegot sweatpants, we have white

(57:03):
shorts, we have shirts longsleeve, short sleeve.
Go grab some Lyric stuff, theproceeds she gets the proceeds
from sales and it's kind ofhelping her out.
She's also trying to get outthere in the international
styles overseas, not just here.
She's trying to raise money forthat too.

(57:24):
Go check out our website,visionquestpodcastcom, and go
check out the signature line ofLear Catcher and get some of
your help.
Support her.
She's one of our signatureathletes.
Cool, you can see if Loganwants to get his stuff up there.
Yeah, I think maybe you can putit down at the bottom, where

(57:44):
all these annoying ads are.
Yeah, I'd like to, but that's,and then they would be even
further down towards the bottom.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Yeah, you can't intertwine the Google and the
plug-ins that you do.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Technology is very frustrating.
Yeah, still selling gear.
Huh yeah, nice.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Yeah, why not?
If they want it, they can getit.
Yeah, you got a couple orders,that's sweet, I like those
quarters.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Anyways, what else you got coming up?
Anything, not really.
We've got some seasons here,yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Been doing that.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
We've got a new guy up there right, that's helping.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
Yeah, he hasn't been up yet.
I don't think.
I think once.
Unless he was there Friday, Ididn't make it yesterday.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I thought we saw him up there once.
What's his last name?
Medbury.
Sorry.
So now you probably don't haveto put shoes on as much anymore.
I still put shoes on.
There's no time Just to walkaround in them.
Yeah, to feel cool.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
Yeah, if I needed to wrestle, I could.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Folks, not only does he do rankings, but he also
helps coach at Kekona HighSchool.
We're hopefully getting fifth.
I'm a parent of a wrestler, buthopefully you guys are getting
a fifth championship In a row,five in a row.
That'd be pretty sweet to haveone for the thumb, one for the
thumb.

(59:06):
I like that one I heard thatIt'll be on a shirt.
If someone hasn't done italready and Machik hasn't talked
about it, I'll put it on ashirt, one for the thumb.
We'll have to get a picture ofhim with the rings on and just
his hand, not his face, because,god forbid, his face is on
anything with his hand out tothe side.
We'll take a picture, but we'llput that on a shirt and on the

(59:29):
back.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Do a hashtag one for the thumb.
Is the ring going to be a cubring or something?

Speaker 2 (59:33):
no one for the fun.
Is the ring going to be acovering or something no, just
no ring there, it's just missing.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
It's the one we're going for.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
I don't want to predict Not on this one.
Right, there's a lot of movingparts, yeah, a lot of moving
parts.
I don't want to predict on thisone, I just want to be on the
floor.
It's the first time, right, forus five.
That we had one other four yeah, right, right, but has anybody
was it?

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Rapids.
That won five.
I think they've won six or soIn a row.
Yeah, all right, I think I wonsomething like 16 of 19 years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Well, Liam's only here one year.
That doesn't mean he's the onethat you champion for you, but
one.
It doesn't mean he's thewinning team championship for
you, but one more year, sothat'd be six.
We should find out what.
Maybe it would be nice ifT-Champ did once in a while, but
it's going to be interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I know as far as the way that the team is now knowing
some of the guys that are on JV, being able to watch the JV
guys now coming up and puttingin varsity time is going to be
kind of interesting.
A lot of them are doing good.
I mean, they were put in lastyear for a couple of years here.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
It's definitely one of our deepest teams since I've
been here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
For sure and it doesn't I mean, as far as I
could tell with the younger kidsit doesn't look like it's maybe
in the next two or three years.
It doesn't look like ithopefully isn't going to change.
It still looks like it's a good, solid group of athletes.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Yeah, not just wrestlers but athletic kids.
Pretty spread out too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
They're not all clumped down at the bottom you
know All you parents that havekids that are like two or three,
move to Kekona if you want towrestle.
Yeah, move to Kekona I.
Moves to Kekona.
I'm going to tell you at thatage, because I'm not going to
get called up for recruitingpeople.
Yeah, we don't know if they'regoing to be good, right.
But just if this is your dreamfor your kid, you're living
through your kid move them on toKekona, great place.

(01:01:23):
But no, it's a really like youwere saying before, people that
haven't been in wrestling inforever but were part of it or
whatever still go to the eventsand some of the people that have
never even been still go.
We see people all around townkind of walk around like hey, we
saw him at a wrestling event,he was at a duel last week.

(01:01:45):
You don't even know who they are, but they're there for the team
.
I wish it would be nice that wecould go to things like Iron
man, obviously with the rulesand all that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Yeah, we can't.
They don't want us over Blairor Wes that really affects the
WIA apparently that we wrestlesomebody, that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
It makes your athletes better.
Heaven forbid you do that.
That's a bummer, that's a realbummer.
It affects them somehow.
Are you excited?

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Heaven forbid you do that.
That's a bummer.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
That's a real bummer.
It affects them somehow.
Are you excited for the newrule changes that are coming to
high school wrestling?
Three-point takedown.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
Not really, I like the difference between college
and high school.
Why I just like it.
It was cool, but it wasdifferent.
I just like it.
It was cool, though it wasdifferent.
It's the same, I'm getting usedto it.
Let's just put it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Not that I hate it.
You can dislike it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
It's not that I hate it, it's just that it's not
jumping off the page.
I don't really think you shouldbe able to do four moves and
get a tech ball.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
The math is the math thing for you.
Yeah, four moves, you got atech ball.
I know some people say thatit's encouraging shooting,
encouraging more offense,instead of getting a takedown
and then just laying on top of aguy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
It's also discouraging people from getting
better or new.
True, I mean.
I see your point see as a coach, like you want a kid going out
there and getting tech ball in40 seconds, like that Paul's
supposed to be, you know.
Like yeah 40 seconds, you couldstill do it now.
I'm just saying, you have toreally have yeah, okay, 10

(01:03:32):
seconds.
Every good take down 10 seconds.
Good, turn in 10 seconds.
Good, turn in 10 seconds.
Good, turn in 10 seconds yeahyeah, so like I don't think it's
good for growing the sport um Ithink it's good for the
dominating people do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
do you think that the that it's really going to
change that much like,especially going down to the
youth level?
Do you think it's going tochange that much as far as how a
coach coaches a kid, becausethey're still going to teach
them the fundamentals right?
Like I mean, I don't think alot of and I could be speaking
incorrectly here, but I don'tthink a lot of the kids that are
at the kid level that aren'tnecessarily having that idea

(01:04:11):
already that they're going to goto Minnesota and wrestle that
tournament.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
They're just there wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Do you think that's going to change the perspective
of how those kids still wrestle?

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
What do you mean by the perspective?

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
That kid already knows that if I get a takedown,
I'm talking about the kidhimself.
If I get a takedown, I getthree points.
Most of the kids aren't goingto think.
I'm going to cut him, becausethen I can get another takedown
right away A lot of them want tobe on top because they want to
beat a guy up.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
I think it will probably change the factor by
middle school and stuff likethat, yeah, I mean I don't think
it really changes anythingother than mat time, like I said
.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
For the kid out there getting his ass kicked.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
It's not going to be very fun, but it's going to be
quicker.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
But for the kid getting his ass kicked.
It allows him to catch up.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Yeah, I mean if he can do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
If he realizes hey, I'm going to get my hand out of
my butt, I can now get thosethree points Granted, you can
get pinned in three seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
I get what I'm saying .
It's kind of stupid, but youwant, you're, trying to get kids
better in high school.
We're not trying to reallyseparate ourselves.
You are.
I'm saying we're trying to getkids out for the sport and want
to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
There's a perspective , though too.
Obviously, not every kid'sgoing to go to college and
wrestle, but there is aperspective of these guys need
to be able to do it, becausewhen they get into college it's
a whole different wrestlingaspect.
I get into college, it's awhole different wrestling aspect
.
So I get that point.
But I understand what you'resaying.
Just trying to make it better,he's got less time if he's not
as good, to try and figure itout.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Granted he could get lucky and score some more points
too, but the likelihood of thathappening or toughen the F up,
just stop letting him score.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
but to me that's the thing, doesn't matter if it's
two points or three points itdoes because it's more points I
understand the time frame, butstill, maybe it places a little
more urgency on you to startactually learning how to wrestle
through something instead ofjust like oh crap, I got to give
up.
But again, it is what it is.

(01:06:20):
I think it's going to be.
I never think.
I guess I never really thoughtuntil Liam wrestled at the
Ponyer Open and then he wrestledat a couple other events.
It didn't really hit me as much.
Maybe now, once we get into theactual high school season,
seeing how every other kid onthe planet now will handle a
three-point takeoff in the pointspread.

(01:06:41):
We'll find out.
I guess we'll see.
I get your point.
I get your side of it whatyou're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
You weren't before, but it's just quicker, it just
makes it more embarrassing.
Getting pinned in three secondsis embarrassing before, but
it's just quicker, it just makesit more embarrassing.
You know, getting pinned inthree seconds is embarrassing
just as much as that.
But it's just like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I have lost my.
I have lost my.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
I have lost sympathy for guys.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
I mean there's obviously tough losses, but I
have lost my level of sympathyfor certain things, especially
within sports.
There's coaches now collegecoaches that are bitching on
football, bitching about guysrunning the score out.
Don't suck.

(01:07:28):
I understand that if you're acoach that has this triple-A
team that's going into a gamewhere they know they're going to
whoop them.
I mean, yeah, there's a littlearrogance in that.
But I've also been coached byguys that have said they're here
too.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
But you're also incentivizing in contracts for
yardage and touchdowns Yep,contracts for yardage and
touchdowns, mm-hmm, yep, yeah,you're taking money out of my
pocket because you suck Right,I'm supposed to not score
because you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
So, like I said, there are tough losses right,
but in situations where peopleare crying over something like
that, I have no sympathy forthat.
If you're bad, you're bad.
The work to get betterProfessionally and collegiately.
I didn't score all those pointsand laugh in your face.
I just scored all those points.
How you feel about it reflectson your work, not me.

(01:08:27):
So I would like.
Liam used to get looked downupon because he would tech kids.
He liked turning.
He wasn't necessarily atakedown king, he used to like
turning, doesn't he Right Proof?
And it was what's his name,ryan.

(01:08:49):
He was like, well, if he'sgoing to wrestle in our team,
we're not just going to go outthere and tech kids.
In the first period I was like,yeah, he is.
Well, if he scores enoughpoints, he will.
Yeah, that's what I said.
I mean, what's he doing?
He's perfecting whatever he'strying to do.
If the kid's not that good,he's not that good.
That's what happens.
Why is a goalie settingdifferent than a tournament?

(01:09:10):
That's well, because he'srepresenting someone right Like
a team.
It is also scoring a lot ofpoints for your team.
So it's like I.
But at the same point, though,too, it's like he wasn't going
out there scoring all thosepoints and laughing at the kid's
face.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Like you know, he was wrestling a match.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Yeah, he was wrestling a match, went to the
line, shook his hand yeah, thatwas it.
Yeah, like, yeah, like.
So we attacked him.
That's what happens, yeah, andI, and part of that, what that
interaction, yeah, made me loseeven more or less, you lose even
more sympathy for it.
Yeah, I can't talk right,mentally retarded here.
No, I don't think so.
We'll get a little blips.

(01:09:46):
Yeah, it's the matrix.
Yeah, it's the matrix, yeah, um, but with that said, I think a
lot of what is going to happen,even with the four-point near
fall.
Are they going to carry thatthrough into the youth?

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Have you seen?

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
any of that?
Have they changed their rule?
I guess I've never asked.
That'd be interesting to see.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Yeah.
That'd be great I think we justhave'd be interesting to see.
Yeah, that'd be great.
I think, we just have one movebe 15 points.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Call it one takedown done.
You're attacked.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
Yeah, you got attacked.
Sorry, That'd be great right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
So what stops you from?
We see, you know Willie doesthem and WI Russell does it I
think what stops you from doingmiddle school rankings.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Time it's me.
I don't have time.
It's not you it's me, it's notyou, it's me, it's time.
I don't have time to worryabout all the elementary school
tournaments that have gone on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Well, you don't work anymore to worry about all the
elementary school tournaments.
No, gone, like.
Well, you don't work anymore,right?
No, because it was they, didn'tyou say they wanted you to be
like full-time or something likethat.
You're like no.
Yeah, I'm like no I got stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I don't want to have to have vacation and stuff
.
Like I just tell you I'm gonnanot be here and it's pretty nice
.
Oh, my god, like duringwrestling I worked like last
year I worked once a week, maybe, did you?
Yeah, so I was just like I'mout, I was just doing it to be
active, yeah just to be active.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Yeah, let's get on right with work.
Yeah, I was running out ofstuff to do on at the house, you
know, cut down all those treesand did everything I needed to
do around the house so now youhave all the time to go and
check out the little kids.
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
I'm still not going to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
But yeah, what stop?
Do you think it's ridiculous?
Yeah, I can't do it.
I'm not going to do it, but ifyou had the time would you do it
?
If you had, if it was, youstill wouldn't do it because you
don't think they should Unduepressure.
I'm not disagreeing.
Someone's got a problem with it.
I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
You got enough pressure on you in high school
to get shit done.
You don't need it in middleschool.
Everything shouldn't be for aranking and stuff like it.
It's supposed to be fun atfirst.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
I'll put it this way as a parent.
It's fun to look and say Iwonder if everybody's
recognizing my kid as a coach.
I coach soccer with everybody.
I've helped coach Liam andcoach a dual team with those
kids.
I don't understand, and otherparents like we.

(01:12:39):
Even I'm sitting around with agroup of parents right at the
hotel or whatever, sitting inthe lobby.
We're all talking about rankings.
It's a fun banter and you'reright.
The pressure of those kids knowthat it's out there as well.
They're going to go look it up,and now they're pressured about
oh, I'm going to do well atthis tournament.
You know, when you're probablya kid who cares, you know a ton
about everything that you'vebeen putting into it.

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But either way, I think alsothe ebbs and flows.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
like your mom didn't give you your damn tablet,
you're a pissy little bastardthat day and you lose.
Yeah.
And it's just like you'relooking great one day and then
the next day you're just downthe dumps.
My first girlfriend broke upwith me yeah, you didn't get
your glazed donuts.
We didn't go get the six packof that fucking quick trip.

(01:13:29):
I can't do this today.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
You know, Well, we went to Super 32 for the first
time.
Yeah, yeah and um, and hedropped a little weight.
It's like four pounds.
Yeah, it wasn't anything hard,but like seeing some of the kids
are like the interactions withtheir dads before we, yeah we're
sitting out there at the camperand those kids are out there

(01:13:52):
running.
They're like nine years old.
They're in a hooded sweatshirt,full sweats, running out in a
hot-ass parking lot.
Man.
It was funny talking to Jamie.
He's like that's a professionalweight cutter's turn.
That's exactly what that is.
You're extremely right on that.
And again, they're going to bedoing it in college, right?

(01:14:16):
So high school, I get it.
I understand the gravity, buthow, like?
I still think we're very stupidin how we do it.
You know, I don't think peoplepay attention to it.
Oh, I've been doing it.
My family and our guys havebeen doing it this way for years
.
Yeah, I get it.
Some people may do it right,like not everybody's dumb, but I
can't get on board with thecutting weight at that young age

(01:14:38):
.
Like I said with Liam, it wasfour pounds, he was fat, they're
all full of fat.
And then now you have theseother kids, the kid that was
running out in the parking lothe didn't look like he had a
whole lot of weight, yeah, so itgot a little interesting after
a while just seeing some of theinteractions between the kids
and their dads.
Liam and mine haven't a littleinteresting after a while just

(01:14:59):
seeing some of the interactionsbetween the kids with their dads
.
Liam and mine haven't alwaysbeen awesome, but it was never
that.
It was never like you need toshut up and not eat food and get
your crying, holy cow man.
It was pretty down a notch, butyeah, I think ranking middle
schoolers is I think it'sscorers is interesting.

(01:15:25):
Willing's got way more time thanwe do.
Obviously he's doing Tulsaseeds, Not to say he's not
making a buck doing stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
I'm not going to hide the fact that he's not doing it
, for no, he's not doing thatstuff because he loves everybody
.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
That's not why, Will Willie's doing it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
He does a good job with that, though he's got his
finger on the pulse.
Oh yeah, I don't want to havemy finger on that pulse.
I mean, that is not something Iwant to do, Like oh man.
Billy lost this guy, but hepinned him three weeks ago and
then he got teched by him twoweeks ago and then he pinned him
.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
I'm like okay, I like doing this, yeah, you know, and
then talking about your ranking.
I don't know.
You know, like I said, Iwouldn't mind doing another
event, but like man trying to domultiple events unless you have
a crew, yeah, I mean, if youyou got guys, they're in with
you, kind of thing, that'd befun, right.
But if it's just you and you'relike, well, I'm gonna get a

(01:16:21):
bunch of people together to tryto do a tournament, you don't
like, you don't know anybodyyeah you know you're trying to,
you're trying to scramble to getsome guys to help, just because
the people you do know it'svery, very limited yeah or they
can't help or they don't, youknow I don't want to do anything
like that.
You might get screamed at by aparent.
Yeah.
So I mean it goes to show myreffing is on the decline.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
Oh yeah, like that's another thing like with the new
rules, like difference betweenone count and a four count, yeah
, Like I was at super 32, andthis ref's not physically
counting.
But then he holds up four.
I'm like that was like twoseconds.
I was like what the hell you?

(01:17:05):
Can't do that.
It's like that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Two seconds is two points you gotta at least do
yeah, show me a finger wave orsomething.
I was just like, oh, that wouldbe up at the table immediately
so we had I had Madison on lastnight and she didn't wrestle,

(01:17:27):
she was manager.
I had never had thatperspective on before talked
about having the Kekona girls onand kind of talking about a
high school team, but she was incharge of Edinburgh.
Not a huge school, but man,good school team, but she was in
charge of Edinburgh Not a hugeschool, but man, I mean a good
wrestling team.
Right, I mean, pat Lugo wasfrom there, a couple other
really solid guys too, but shewas running everything.

(01:17:48):
Yeah, right, with what you doyou know, like trying to figure
out ways if someone's out, youknow, oh, are we going to make
it kind of thing.
Yeah, do you take notes of thatstuff?
Like, are you on the sidewriting stuff down or do you
just have that shit in your head?
No, this was in my head, sookay.
So let's say you're at a,you're at a dual Last state, for

(01:18:12):
example right, what was it?
Is that Rapids In the finals?
Yeah, was it?
Is that?

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Rapids In the finals, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Yeah, what did you guys have to switch any weights
around for that I can't remember.
Was there a?
Was there a?
Like going to be a challenge atone spot where you needed a guy
to be here.
Like how do you, how do youjust put that together?
Like I mean, it's no, you'vebeen like you've, we've done
this before, but you've beendoing stats and things like that
since you were little.
There's baseball and all thatother stuff, are you literally?

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
just off to the side.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Putting that together , like all the numbers he could
probably score, get a major onthis guy more than likely.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
Yeah, I mean I probably have a not photographic
but eidetic mind or whatever, Idon't know what it's called,
but it's like I can rememberthings that I deeply care for.
It's like I remember almostevery result I put in here.
I just can remember it and I'llbe like, okay, well, he majored

(01:19:15):
, this guy A guy we majored,majored this guy, so you got to
at least think we're majoringhim.
So I always go for the worstcase scenario and then work my
way from there.
Okay, well, that makes sense.
Yeah, so it's just like if thishappened and this happened,
this should happen, it's justlike it's a guess but, it's an

(01:19:36):
educated guess.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Well, again, you do rankings.
You're looking at all types ofdifferent Because you and I talk
a lot.
You know like, okay, well, hey,did you see this kid wrestle at
this tournament?
Do you remember who he wrestled?
I?
Mean you're looking athead-to-head.
You're breaking Even when it'shead-to-head.
How much did you beat him by,Right?

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
And did he beat him in the first or third period?
How long you know that kind ofthing.

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
So you kind of go down a bit of a rabbit hole for
some of these guys and alsomatters if it was a dual meet or
a yeah, yeah, like as atournament you're wrestling for
yourself mostly, yeah, likeobviously there's a team aspect
to it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
But I mean you, you, you're gonna try and really
score, like in a duel.
You might not put yourself outthere to save points, sure, sure
, especially if you're a bet ona better team, like you're,
you're gonna be well aware ofwhat your job is when you go out
there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
It's not like we go out thereand be like, hey, you're gonna
lose this kid you know it's notwhat we do, but wait for like
hey, be stingy.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
You know like we gotta yeah yeah, don't get
pinned.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
yeah, we gotta don't get taxed.
Let's just work on pointsInteresting.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Take what you can get .

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
She was saying the same, that her uncle was the guy
that ran the high school teamthat she started out at.
She was helping in high schoolor middle school.
Sorry Madison, I think it wasmiddle school.
Sorry Madison, I'm an idiot,only wanted her keeping stats.
She was only stats.
Then when she went to college,it was different.

(01:21:11):
It wasn't just stats, it wasdoing this.
She was helping with guysgetting with admissions and
stuff like that she was helpingall these guys in the wrestling
team with all these littlethings that you see like someone
that gets paid a separatesalary in universities to do it.
Helping them, you know,figuring out which classes are
going to be best and all theother stuff.
So that's a unique perspectiveto the whole side of wrestling.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
Like Ms Modrick, should be a paid position.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
that's what I'm saying right because she's
balancing number one, everythingthat's going on, but then three
girls or four girls that she'sgot helping.
Oh yeah, like listening to her,I'm just kind of like waiting
out with pizzas and stuff likethat.
Oh yeah, she's on it.
Yeah, she is on it.
Um, I thought it was prettyinteresting to hear from Madison

(01:22:00):
about she got stressed.
It's hard, it's not easybecause you don't see the stuff
they do Washing uniforms ormaking sure guys are in on time.
Maybe there's some guys she hadto babysit that were just
top-notch dickheads.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
You never know it's like college.
Those coaches are just like.
I'm paying them to be here,Right.
I want to do it, you know, andif you're like an empathetic
person, like you're going to belike, well, come on, I'm going
to help you.
Get in here.
Get in here.

(01:22:37):
Yeah, Like I said, that was avery different perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Yeah, so I've had refs on, but I'm still working
on the whole ref.
You've got the Hall of Fame NewHall of Famers.
I know right, I know.
I think he's like number two inthe country for whatever reason
, I don't know.
Maybe one now.
Yeah, he's got to be pretty,Maybe one.
But I keep telling him I waslike when do you want to do this
?
I'm not trying to butt intoyour skin.

(01:23:02):
Whenever you're free, you canget three or four other guys to
pop on.
That way we can do rules.
And the stresses and the stresslevel now of refereeing, with
the numbers dwindling and guysretiring every year there have
been, I've noticed, at the stateterms.
I've noticed a lot of youngerpeople coming up, but they're

(01:23:24):
not even necessarily fromWisconsin, from Illinois or from
Idaho or something like that.
I think that's another big push.
That's kind of hurting theofficials.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Yeah my wife is working on this thing called the
Sideline.
It's called like a side thesideline project and it was
started out with soccer.
He's got her soccer parenting.
She helps with that oh reallyyeah, she helps with that site,
interesting and uh, so there'san ad on here for for like
sidelines.
Yeah, it's about beingrespectful on the sidelines.

(01:23:59):
For sure it's hard.
I always tell people it's nothard, to be nice, but it can be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
It can be taxing when you're into it or whatever.
Even at the moment it's still.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Yeah, I'm bad about it too.
I can't say You're coming fromthe corner.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
I think the ref'm bad about it too.
I can't say, especially whenyou're coaching the corner, yeah
, talk for calls.
But I think the refs understandthat's part of that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Oh yeah, they couldn't have to deal with the
other part.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it is.
I mean oh yeah.
Oh, he bumped him with his knee, really watching for Stalin
stolen, aren't you?

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
saying there's one, one coach that you know coach
against, and it's just like he'snot saying any names, he just
says what color ankle brand hisyeah, I'm like you're doing a
good job green, is that?
So he doesn't call him forstolen, I guess it's just like

(01:24:59):
oh, I guess I can't call him forstalling.
He's doing a good job.
He's working really hard.
Hands off, can't ball that.
This is all balled.
The other one he's playing somedeep level mind games there.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Well, that's cool, I didn't realize she was doing
that stuff.
That's awesome.
Yeah, well, that's cool, Ididn't realize she was doing
that stuff, yeah, yeah.
That's another guest I'm goingto be having back on.
We have to reschedule CatherineShy, she does.
It's called Luca Fit.
Okay, so they have.
And there's a I'm going tohopefully not misrepresent, but
I don't know everything aboutthe website.
But you can get lined up with acoach.

(01:25:42):
It looks like you get lined upwith a coach and then you can
get their film.
They can give you some direction, I think possibly even doing
some mindset work through there,but kind of an all-around
encompassing thing where I thinkthat you can work on moves and
stuff with a coach through thereas well.
Now to piggyback off that EricBarnett is doing the Complete

(01:26:03):
Wrestler.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
And now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
I know he was trying to do something similar where it
was still.
You have wrestling practice,but available to you you also
have this, this and this.
Yeah, jordy Kras, that'sanother spot where it's not
necessarily the mental side,because Kras is mental.
He does the recovery side too,but as far as that, yes, he's

(01:26:26):
got that.
But they have the recovery.
They also have the nutritionthat's there, but it's a
multi-sport thing.
So it's not just, but it's niceto see that transition of
wrestling places that arethinking outside the box and
wrestling know, oh, that's sovery cool, but it's it's nice to
see that, that transition ofwrestling places that are
thinking outside the box, ohyeah, um, and wrestling people.
So that's where the success, Ithink, thing comes in.

(01:26:46):
With, uh, wrestlers in general,they're, they're able to be
more creative now because theycan see what was lacking, things
that they may have wanted whenthey were young or coming up and
trying to get into college.
You see the differences ofexperiences that you can have
with different places.
There's going to be so much atone place that if it just a

(01:27:16):
little bit fits you, that's thewhole thing that you need in one
place.
But then you can share that bygoing to over here and hopefully
something down the line iscoming that's going to hopefully
intertwine all those togetherwhere you can be a part of one
whole thing and experienceeverything.
Oh yeah, and I think that isgoing to be the biggest catalyst
, I think, for the sport and whyit will make these guys
successful.
Because they can brand their ownthing and they can be extremely

(01:27:37):
unique.
Because, I mean, think about it.
What have we been doing forwrestling since the dawn of time
?
Just create a club and you'rein a shop somewhere with a mat
and 30 kids.
Yeah, now we're expanding.
Yeah.
Because there's a smarter sideto wrestling.

Speaker 5 (01:27:52):
now there's intelligent wrestling and that's
not just on the mat.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
That's your nutrition , that's your fitness.
That's your nutrition, that'syour fitness, that's your
recovery, that's everything.
Yeah, it becomes a businesswhere you notice a lot of these
kids especially wrestlers thatare going to school for
kinesiology and things like that, where they're physical
therapists or not even physicaltherapists, but they're trainers
, right, um, uh, that's justwhat makes I think again.
Wrestlers just completelyunique to the whole situation of

(01:28:18):
once I'm out what am I going todo?
The connections that everybodyelse makes are just as good NFL.
They make great connections,even in the NFL, right.
So it all goes hand in hand.
I think a lot of it deals withwhatever school you go to as
well.
What kind of connections didyou have there when you went to
college?
Yeah, were you out there in thecommunity helping out,

(01:28:39):
volunteering?
Where you make connections withpeople, whatever it is, the
connections are the mostimportant because I think with
those guys that networking andthings like that really pushes
their success in the future.
Wrestlers have just been openeven more now to being a little
more non-conventional, just likewith these clubs now that are

(01:29:01):
offering more than just cominghere and wrestling.
Right, you're going to get awhole package of something, or
wrestlers offering those otherlittle things off to the side,
right?
I think it's going to be a greatthing, even though we're in a
super weird and not enjoyabletime watching what's going on
with college sports.
Um, there are certain things tolook forward to when it comes

(01:29:24):
to, like, how this could all panout and turn, but it's going to
be unfortunate, especially forthose kids that are going to end
up being told hey, gotta, gottago, yeah, and you're like I
just had five years of my lifeplanned out, oh yeah.
So again, hopefully, kids,parents, be open with your kids
about the Sensei stuff.

(01:29:44):
Pay attention, it's not thatit's dangerous to talk about it.
Have your eyes open to whatcould possibly happen, because
you just don't know right now.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
So it's better to have a backup plan and just be
like, hey, let it roll and livelife not sitting to the side
worrying about it, becausethat's why when you're making
your decision, it needs to bemore than just athletically too.
You could be four years intoyour year and you get cut.
You know, you got four yearsthere.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
You might as well, finish it out.
Those are the two top things.
Before he was really looking atcolleges, but when the thought,
was there environment are yougoing to?
Like the environment.
They have what you want for aneducation, because obviously,
you're going to find the bestschool you can with all three
things, with wrestling and allthat combined, but those are the

(01:30:34):
top two things.
And when Liam was going throughand checking out places,
virginia just hit him like that.
everything was close, theenvironment was, was a was a
nice school environment andhonestly, the education that's
there is going to be top notch,oh yeah you know plus again the
networking.
Yeah, you know he's not.
He's not just going to, he'snot just gonna go to school kids

(01:30:56):
.
You know, obviously a lot ofkids go to a lot of places, but
this is kind of different.
There are dignitaries, kidsthat are there.
It's a unique environment andI'm very excited for him.
It's going to be fun to see howit turns out for him, but I'm
still nervous for him, justbecause you don't know what's
going to happen with all thisstuff.
I know some coaches are like,well, don't sweat it, we don't

(01:31:18):
know the whole story.
That's the problem we don'tknow the whole story.
It's not a time to get supernervous, but it's time to think
about what if something happens?
What if something?
Hits the fan.
We've been going for an hourand a half.
Got anything you want to add.
Are you going to be releasing anew set of rankings?

(01:31:40):
In the first week oh yeah,every week.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
Once it starts it's going to be updated every week,
so this will be basically afterThanksgiving.
It'll be the last weekend whenthey're not updated.
I don't do like the otherpeople and continue through.
Once you get to regional,you're done.
I'm not going to because that'swho's the best in the state in
my eyes and results-wise forthat year.

(01:32:08):
I'm not going to change it onceyou don't make it to state.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
But you don't change it once state is done.
After state's done, you justleave it after regional.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
They showed what the real ranking is.
I don't need to just put it upthere.
I mean, what am I going to dothat guy beat that guy, but I
think he's better, so I'm goingto put him above him.
You know, like I can't do it,Like uh-oh, can't stand when
they rank 16 guys and they'reonly the 16 that made the
mistake.

(01:32:42):
That's not ranking.
You just put them in order,good job.
Why don't you just put them theway they're seated?
That'd be cool, right?
It's not about that.
It's about the kids that don'tmake it.
They're still good.
Yeah, rankable they're probablystill top five sometimes.
If they don't make it, they'restill good.
Rankable they're probably stilltop five sometimes.
That don't make it to state.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
I put a poll out on Twitter.
I put a poll out of if you werea four-year starter at a D1
NCAA school.
Four-year starter, notAll-American.
Or if you were a four-yearstarter, not All-American.
Or if you were a four-yearwrestler but you only started
one year and you All-Americanthat year.

(01:33:26):
What are you more impressedwith?

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
So he's a four-year starter never.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
All-American Correct Versus.
You're on the team all fouryears, but you're a one-year
starter and you All-Americanthat year.
What are you more impressedwith?

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
Is it his fifth year or fourth year there that he did
it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
It would be the fourth year, your last year.
You, all-american, you're moreimpressed with that.
Yeah, you are why.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
Because he stuck it out, didn't have all the fame
and glory.
It's not a lot, but you'regetting your ass kicked every
day in the room.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
So the guy that has to keep his position for four
years.
You think they aren't trying tobring another guy in to replace
him to be able to, in case?
He you know, Not usually youdon't think so, but you don't
think, especially at D1 NCAAschool.
You're going to sit there andtell me you don't think that
they're going to bring insomeone that's going to
challenge someone.

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
Yeah, they're going to challenge them, but they're
going to be.
There's a system to how they're.
If you've got a guy that'sgoing to be a four-year starter,
you're not bringing a bunch ofmoney in it that way.
Let's look at Penn State forexample, I just want everybody
on that roster oh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Oh, no, no, no no no, you can't, because they have
unlimited money, yeah, butthat's the point though, because
even a guy that's at adifferent school let's say Kent
State, let's say Kent State hasa kid that's at 132, right, yeah
, and whatever.
33.
33.
133.
Again the glitch.
Yeah, that's what happened 133.

(01:34:56):
And you got he's probably, youknow, two-time state champ,
whatever it is.
Maybe that's what they'reconstantly bringing in.
Yeah.
And then he's challenged by thatevery time.
But he has to face that everyother I don't know how many
times if a guy's good enough.
Each team might be differentwith how they do wrestle-offs,
but either way he has to live upto that challenge every single
year against guys that are justas tough to that challenge every

(01:35:17):
single year against guys thatare just as tough.
Maybe that guy could haveAll-American that was under him,
yeah, but he kept beating him.
You know what I'm saying.
But then this guy doesn'tAll-American.
I think it's the longevity.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
In this day and age the guy that stuck it out at
that school and didn't get avarsity spot until he was a
senior, and then he made themost of it is more impressive to
me than the guy that, just youknow, did the same thing for you
.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
All things aside, I would you know either way, as
far as just the guy out to thecenter, I'm impressed with both,
but to me, like I said, it justseems like a longevity.

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
And yeah, the guy that's in the shadows that
doesn't get any recognition.
He's going to the Opens everyweekend.
He's not getting on the TV anda chance to make the Nationals
at all.
That's living in the dark forthree years, Four years
sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
I get it.
That's why I put it out there,because it's kind of curious.
Everybody said the one time all.
Everybody said it.
I think there's maybe two votes.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
At my old school, we used to have kids at high school
, obviously but, they'd never bevarsity and and finishing top
four in the state as a senior,okay, and it was just like
impressive because they, theystuck it out Like and obviously,
uh, high school and college isdifferent in that aspect because
you're getting a lot morematches and you know there's

(01:36:41):
just a different lifestyle incollege of what you're doing and
and like high school, you'relike you're getting the shitty
coaches.
You know, not shitty, butyou're getting not the, not the
varsity coaches.
You're getting the.
You know you're getting secondtier everything you're getting.
The uniforms are crappy, thatgot holes in them.
You know, yeah, yeah, like atmy school we did practice packs,

(01:37:03):
so like we washed everybody'sstuff every day, okay, and so
like we would make sure thatthey're washing their stuff that
way, you know, becausesometimes you didn't do that,
they're not getting their stuffwashed and they just the skin.
Skin problems were, yeah, realbad until we started doing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
That was that where was that?

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
in indiana, indiana, yeah, yeah.
So we, uh, we would wash theirstuff every but the varsity got
the real nice, you know spandexshorts and yeah nice, and then
everybody else just gets.
You know, there's differentones for each team you're on and
they just got worse and worse.
So it's just like I mean, Iknow that doesn't have any

(01:37:42):
effect, or, you know, impressive, you know.
But it's just like you'regetting shit on for three or
four years yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Yeah, I get it yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
I can get both sides.
I can get both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
Because it's still collegiate wrestling and, like I
, both sides because it's stillcollegiate wrestling and, like I
said, it just seemed to me likeI would think, like the
longevity was sticking out allfour years being the starter,
being the dude.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Yeah, you know, because that's not everybody's a
spencer lee, right, noteverybody's that anomaly, yeah
like my buddy was.

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
Uh, I had a buddy that went to uni and michigan
state and he was a four-timeblood round okay yeah, you know,
yeah, got the blood round everyfour times, every four years.
I was just like man.
That has to be gut-wrenching.
I know, could you imagine thatfourth year when you're getting

(01:38:28):
out there, You're like no,please not again.
You imagine being Dayton Fix,oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
You're going to run her up five years in a row, yeah
.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Well, that's a little different.
We have OSU fans, so if youguys are watching, we're not
knocking them.
He made it that far all fivetimes.
But man to come in second, notget one, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:48):
That has to be rough, still a great account.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Yeah, I know I get both sides.
It's just one of those thingswhere I was like it's kind of
interesting.
I wonder what people arethinking.
It was like 11 people voted.
I'm just some newbie on Twitter, I don't know what I'm doing,
but yeah, I think either wayit's hard but it's cool.
I just want to point out toeverybody that Zach doesn't know

(01:39:15):
how to operate his computer somuch and he doesn't even know
how to keep the screen on fully.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
He has to keep touching it.
What am?

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
I supposed to do?
I just think that you work witha computer so much that I can't
believe that you don't knowthat stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
It's a desktop and it's a big iMac.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Oh, you get that.
Oh yeah, man, I mean I havemultiple screens, I'm a trophy
husband.
I mean I got multiple, I'm atrophy husband, I'm not working
full time.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
I'm a trophy husband and I do laundry full time.
Do you do the dishes?
No, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
She doesn't like the way I blow the dishwasher oh, so
it's not a her, it's a youthing.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
I don't use the space correctly.
I pack it like a five-year-old.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
It fits in there.
I don't want to go too far intodishwashers, but I have a
certain way to put things in aswell.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
When I put yours in there, you'd probably be like
what the hell are you?

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
thinking I'm letting it slide right now because it's
not something that I'm going topick at.
So however they want to load it, we'll load it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
It stops getting washed, it's a cost-effective
thing for my wife You're using.
Yeah, you don't want more.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
That's what I'm saying.
Alright, we're off on this one.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
We had that in the show notes, right In the
rankings.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Maybe we'll just do a roundup and see what the
rankings are for dishwasher.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
You don't need to whip that up.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Top rated rankings for dishwasher.
Okay, so you got nothing elsecoming up.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
No, if the kids it, I can still add pictures to your
profile.
Oh yeah, still do all thatstuff if you want.
I've had a lot of people thatsaw it finally the season's
getting close and they were likeoh, can you, is it too late to
add a picture?
I was like, no, you can add apicture.
You can change your pictureevery week, if you want right, I
don't care.
Yeah, give it to me and I'll putit up.
Yeah, it takes five seconds.
Yeah, I mean in the summer Iwas begging people for stuff and

(01:41:20):
then now that everybody sees it, they're like oh, you need to
do this.
There's like 10 kids every day,like you put this in there.
I'm like, yeah, I'm fine, butwhere were you three months ago?

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Two-week lead time.
Two-week lead time.
You got gear on there.
I saw that.
So guys, get to the Wisconsin.
I don't care if you have kidsthat wrestle in Wisconsin or not
.
Go to Wisconsin.
Grappler, it does a pretty goodjob Again.
The mobile version is justtough.
Yeah.
I don't mean to piss on yourcornflakes, I get it but rough,

(01:41:53):
you just gotta get used to it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:54):
I'm just a whiny prick, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
So that's.
I'm just a whiny prick, that'swhat you get sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
You said it, I'm not proud of it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
But there's just certain times where it's like,
oh stop.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
I understand, but I wish I could make it all like
the desktop, but it's notworking.
I think we're probably going tocap it off here, this year I am
going to give away shirts tothe top-ranked guys after
conference season.
I'll be ordering shirts.
I don't know what they're goingto say yet, but if you're

(01:42:25):
ranked first going intoregionals, I'll get your address
and send you your free shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
All right, Wisconsin guys, you heard it If you're
ranked number one in your weightclass by the end of a
conference, you're going to wina t-shirt.
Guys, if you're an athlete, getyour pictures into them.
Represent yourself properly,because college coaches do look
at it.
I get messages from collegecoaches to find out hey, where's
any type of area that I canfind information?

(01:42:52):
I'm pointing them to hiswebsite.
So they do go to that websiteand use it.
So kids get your pictures outthere so the college coaches can
tell who you are.
Yeah, but other than I think wehave a week or two off here on
episodes.

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
But I'm going to get Catherine Shy back on.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
Yeah, we'll talk about her venture as well, but
yeah, I think that's it.
I don't want to bore peopleanymore.
Hope you enjoyed it.
We talked about NCAA stuff.
We talked about success afterncaa stuff um, not just
wrestling, but just success ingeneral.
Um, touch on a lot.
Talk about your new website.
Check out my website.

(01:43:28):
Uh, pretty simple, it's notcomplicated.
Again, lear ketzer has hersignature line out there.
It's helping her raise money,uh, for her travel.
She goes all over the country.
She's not the only kid thatdoes it, but she was the one
that we picked because sheimpressed us with just the way
that she lives and the way thatshe is around other kids and
things like that.
It's just someone that we pick,but get out and support her.

(01:43:49):
She's like I said we've gothoodies, we've got sweatshirts,
we've got white shorts, we'vegot sweatpants all that stuff
for joggers, not necessarilysweatpants.
The sweatshirts are all.
Everything's sublimated.
The T-shirts are sublimated,nice lighter material.
But yeah, check out her gear,get some gear ordered up.
But otherwise our sponsors areAppleton Tattoo that's where I

(01:44:10):
got my Celtic Cross and my backfrom 920 Hat Company.
Anybody can order it.
Go check out their website 920Hats.
They use.
He always keeps Richardson hatsin stock.
Zach's wearing one of them.
I get a whole haul of them hereactually, if you can't see that
already.
But 920 Hat Company and thenAnabolic Army Go check those

(01:44:31):
guys out.
Good pre-workout supplement.
They got some bands.
We use them here at home.
We also use the pre-workout.
But Anabolic army good stuff.
But other than that, I thinkI'm going to find my, my banner
and my intro music here andwe're going to get out of here.
So thanks everybody for payingattention.
Peace, thank you.

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