#107 Thomas Kelly The Low Single: Wrestling, Podcasting, and Community Connection

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Speaker 2 (00:31):
and we're alive, man, we're not doing two minutes 11
seconds anymore.
The song I used to do that.
I love the song the guy createdfor me that's in town here, but
we can't do the whole thing.
30 seconds, everybody, we arehere.
It's another episode of theVision Quest podcast.
We are joined today by, I wouldsay, a fellow podcaster who I

(00:51):
wouldn't say you're new, butyou've been around.
You started kind of chirping alittle bit on Twitter and then,
boom, all of a sudden he's got10 episodes out and we're joined
by the low single, and I'm notgoing to tell him your name,
we're just going to joined bythe low single and I'm not gonna
tell them your name, we're justgonna call you the low single.
How's it going, man?

Speaker 3 (01:08):
it's going good.
Uh, I will say my name it'sthomas kelly.
Everybody listens, they know.
Uh, I appreciate you.
Having me on.
This has been a long timecoming, like you said, not too
long doing this, about, I think,eight or nine episodes.
I think I just dropped eight,but I'm looking forward to
continuing and just keep ongoing.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
So nice, nice.
So we were talking earlier andjust kind of getting to know
each other and figuring you knowkind of who we are out and all
that stuff, but kind of askingyou some questions about.
You know, obviously, whereyou're from, things like that.
But you said you are originallyfrom stillwater oklahoma yes,
sir, yep and then you had theunfortunate.
You unfortunately had to moveto kansas, right, yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:43):
I making their way up .

Speaker 2 (01:44):
They're making their way up in wrestling and high
school wrestling it's okay, Iget it.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, it's definitely a lot different here in
wrestling than being back home,for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
So did you?
Did you enjoy just athletics oranything when you were a kid?
Did you play sports when youwere a kid?

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah.
So I kind of started at a youngage and then different stuff.
I played hockey because we gotsemi-pro hockey teams here,
stuff like that.
I played soccer for a long time, yeah, anything.
I could really Okay cool.
Yeah anything I could get myhands on.
As far as sports, I would.
Even in high school I playedtennis, joined the tennis team

(02:22):
by accident, the wrestling coachtold us we had to do a sport
and I was like he's like, yeah,he's like, and I want you to run
track.
And I'm like, come on, coach,I've always been a big boy Like,
come on, coach.
I was like I don't run.
And he's like, no, it's well,that's what he said he's like,
but you still got to run beforepractice and we run miles.
And I'm like, okay, well,that's not going to work for me.

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So I was like, oh, I'm on thetennis team.
And he's like, okay, cool, I'llcome out to practice and see
you tomorrow.
And I was like, oh crap, so,yeah, so I like accidentally
joined that, but it was actuallyso fun.
But I didn't actually startwrestling Kansas, like you said,
it's not as prevalent as it isback there, you know, back in
Oklahoma.
So I didn't really do itliterally until I got in high

(03:07):
school and then, like the waythe coach got me to do it is
he's like you ever wanted tofight in school but you're not
allowed to.
And I'm like, yeah, because Igrew up doing karate.
My family, my grandpa, taughtkarate for 45 years, so I have
like a karate background, mywhole life doing it and up to
high school.
And then he's he's like well,you can fight.

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He's like, and the teachers andthe principals all cheer you on
and I'm like what, how's thatpossible?
And then he gets me in thewrestling room and I'm I'm
working out with him every dayand he just he worked me over
every single day, every day.
I got coach.
I try to get somebody different.
He's like nope.
He's like where's kelly?
I'm like hiding in the back,like, oh crap, like I'm sick
today, coach.
He's like nope.
He's like where's Kelly?
I'm like hiding in the back, ohcrap, I'm sick today, coach.
He's like nope.
And my uncle ended up beinglike a volunteer coach.

(03:48):
So even trying to get out ofpractice wasn't happening, was
not happening.
My uncle's like no, I'm aboutto go pick him up right now.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Like, even if I didn't go to school, my game and
wrestling was my brother's, butwe both did the same sports
together.
So, like he did soccer, I wasbetter, but he still loved it.
He was really good at wrestlingand just kind of kind of liked
it.
If I was as good as he was, Iprobably would have won state,
but he didn't give a shit enough, so he didn't win state.
But I got drugged to the, thebadger camps where you easily,

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even as a kid, you're runningwith guys up the steps.
At camp randall and it washorrible.
It was the worst thing on theplanet.
I was a soccer player already.
I didn't need to run.
I was good on running, right,right, I was trying to ben
askren my way out.
I'd be like I'll just wrestlemore.
Don't make me run, don't make me, you know, do all that stuff.
But I wasn't very good.
I think I think I did.
I think I did.
Maybe I was below 500 inwrestling dude.

(04:50):
I'll admit I sucked.
I mean I was probably in the150 range, but I was that kid
that wore the singlet that hissides were pouring out of it a
little bit, but I wasn't.
I was like 150 kid that wasdoing that, right, like I was
not appropriate to be in asinglet whatsoever, but it was
fun.
I had fun doing it and I didn'tdo the workouts.
So were you a big lifter?

Speaker 3 (05:10):
no, um, not like, yeah, not so when, like we're
doing like karate, we didn'treally do like a lot of lifting,
obviously, in karate.
So when I got to high school,like my grandpa always just beat
it into us like if you workhard enough, you don't need to
lift weights.
He's like you want to get toget stronger, do more pushups.
You know stuff like that.
So that's the kind of stuff Iwould kind of just base it off
of.
But I did start doing a littlebit of lifting but yeah, like

(05:30):
you said, like I never like dovein really hardcore with it, I
never like.
My best year I had was my junioryear.
I started the season like fouror five and oh, and then I got
hurt and then me and the coachbutted heads and being a
teenager and being a junior andI'm like I only got one year of
school left.
I thought I was Mr Hot shot, Ithought I would quit, I thought
he would beg me to come back.

(05:50):
He didn't beg me to come back.
They wrestled a kid that was 20pounds underweight just because
and I mean again, it wasanother one of those life
lessons where it was hard.
You know cause, you know you,you walk around and you think
like, oh man, I didn't have the,I didn't have the record to uh,
you know, to have thatcockiness or to have that

(06:12):
swagger.
Like I said four or five and oh, and one of those was a JV,
like a JV tournament on theweekend, cause that was the
first weekend we had in thevarsity team, didn't have
anything and I was on thevarsity is my first year of
varsity but yeah, like I saidfour, four or five matches, man.
And then I thought like, ohcoach, I was like we don't got
another heavyweight, but closestguy to me is like, barely

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because there's like 215 at thattime.
I don't know if that's still ahigh school weight, but 215 at
that time so that guy was likeand he's like 20 pounds under
that.
So I'm like, oh, this guy's likeyou know, there's no way coach,
like they need me.
No, they didn't need me, theydidn't need me.
And then my senior year I didonline school Cause I was just
done with school.
I tried to like drop out.
I thought I had the grades andstuff.

(06:57):
It was literally just I didn'twant to be there.
But then I was like my mom waslike no, like ain't no way
you're quitting school.
So then I did online school.
So I literally never wrestledagain after my junior year,
which was tough for me, becausethat senior year I really missed
it.
You know, I really, reallymissed it.
But by the time I tried to talkto the coach and stuff, he's
like well, how do I know you'renot going to quit on me?
And again my pride flew her upand I was a world champion.

(07:18):
It was so easy.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I hadn't made a state championship, but I sure felt
like I'm on four wins Hell yeah,hell yeah, kids, don't take
after us, please Don't takeafter us, don't do what we do.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Listen to your coaches for real.
That's the one thing I say outof that.
Listen to your coaches for realfor real.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
So and that was.
That was kind of the one thing.
It's funny you mentioned thatbecause I'm pretty sure I was in
school so I could play sports.
My grades were only good justto stay in sports.
That was a cd you know rightaround there, didn't?
I didn't care, I was like you,I was, and I was still ballsy
enough to walk into the guidancecounselor's office and be like
I wonder what college I couldget into, pulling up all these
college magazines and stuff.

(08:07):
And she's probably just, whyare you in here?
You shouldn't even be in hereright now.
But I tried to act like.
I was like, yeah, dude, I'mgoing to go to like Concordia or
something, a little school intown here I'm going to get my
education.
I wasn't even worth the paperthat you signed up on.
So it's, it's interesting andkind of how, how things change

(08:28):
like that.
And then when now, like with me, I tell mike, I tell liam, I'm
like, dude, don't do what I did,like what I did the way that I
did it.
Would I turn it back now?
No, but you don't need to dothat and you shouldn't do that.
You should not do that at all.
And I think he got to the, tothe point where he kind of like,
listening to the stories that Itell, he's like I don't want to
do that.
I don't want to do it the waymy dad did it.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, see, I have two young girls and yeah, if they
ever came home and they're like,oh, you know, said or did what
I said I did, oh yeah, we'd begoing back up.
We'd have the coach on thephone.
We'd be like, no, we apologize,we'll coach carter it, we'll do
push-ups, sit-ups.
You know, whatever we got to doto get back on that team, we're
going to do it.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
So for sure that's right.
So I can identify with the teamthat you identify with the most
, because our uniforms arepractically the same as oklahoma
states.
It's a little crazy, uh, beingthat I've been an I well, I
started out an iowa fan.
I mean from little as tombrands, terry brands, I mean I
grew up on that stuff, right, ohyeah oh, oh, yeah, sorry

(09:26):
brother grew up on that right.
So my brother, we would wrestlein the attic and my brother
would be tom or terry, whicheverone, he felt better that day.
But kind of kind of goingthrough the phases in in the in
in life and just I stoppedpaying attention to it, right,
like it didn't.
I was like, oh man, it doesn'treally matter that much to me.
But then you come back into ityou see how much it matters

(09:47):
still to that little community,right, just the, the little
things within it.
So you're, you're a, you know,like you said, uh, dynasty
defined podcast.
He does.
He's a smart like up here,right, you and I have like the
emotion, you know, and he mighton a show once in a while.
But we're the guys are like man, I watched him, you just really
look like this.
You really, you know, reallylook like you could do this and

(10:07):
I can tell in his face kind ofthing.
So where, like, were therethings that you did earlier on
in life that were kind of likethis, that kind of brought you
to?
Did you do anything similar tothis at all ever?

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Uh, as far as like podcasting, no, um, I'm like,
I'm just like I'm a peopleperson.
Naturally, for my job, I dopest control, so I'm like
interacting with customers,stuff like that.
I'm like just naturally I canlike this, I can get on here.
We've never like met, we'venever.
But I just feel like wait, giveus 10 minutes and bam, I'm

(10:38):
going, you know.
So yeah, I've never really doneanything like this.
People would tell me like, oh,we think you're funny, we think
you should do like a YouTubechannel or something like that.
And I've thought about it.
But every time I thought aboutdoing it I'm like, well, there's
nothing that I can really likeconnect to, that much, you know,
cause, like it's it's easy tostart something, but like I'm a
person that if I start somethingthat like unless barring like

(11:00):
some crazy life happening, Idon't see myself like not doing
this in a month or not doingthis in two months.
And that was like the biggestthing and that's why I kind of
like pushed my reveal back orlike my show back when I was
first coming out with.
It was because, like I don'treally like to go into anything
just half cocked, you know, likeI want to go full loaded into
it.
I want to pour everything I aminto it.

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And then if I can't, if Icouldn't really think of how I
could do it, or if I couldn'treally brainstorm anything ahead
of time, then maybe it's notfor me.
And that's another thing.
Like with the pod is like when I, when I do the episodes, I
don't write things down, I'm I'mnot very organized, I don't
prepare.
You know what I'm saying, likeyeah, like I'll do a few

(11:42):
bulletins, like hey, this iswhat we're going to talk about
tonight.
You know, like dual this, dualthat.
And then like I just go withthe flow, you know, and I don't,
I don't very often have to likererecord anything.
I usually like one shot goes.
So it's kind of like, you know,I just I feel comfortable doing
this.
So, like I said, there's nothingthat really in my past that
brought me to this.

(12:02):
It's just really the connectionof Oklahoma State.
And then I was a big fan of theDynasty Defined.
I still am, I still listen tothis pod, I still support them,
but that's what kind of made mewant to get into it.
I was like, well, I would liketo do that.
And I was like, well, how aboutI do a YouTube show?
But then, as we discussedbefore this, this is my first
time ever being able tosuccessfully set up everything,

(12:26):
everything go the way that Iwould like it to go, because it
just it just wasn't working wellfor me.
But it's led me to here and Ireally enjoy it and I'm just
glad that, you know, thecommunity allowed me in this
space, because that's what itwas for me as well.
It wasn't just like, hey, Iwant to do this.
It's like do you guys want this?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
you know I'm saying yeah, yeah, and that was kind of
so, like I the way I started.
I started the wrong way, um,with a phone trying to record
next to because so I could gettheir voice onto my phone.
So it was on a file on my phone.
And then it's like, okay, howdo I put this on?
Something like where do I,where do I put this on?
So I did it for a little bitand I cut it because I was like

(13:00):
I don't have the right stuff,like there's something wrong
here with how I'm doing it.
It just didn't feel right.
Right, I don't know, maybeeight months or something like
that.
I put it down because I waslike I need to get equipment.
So I was starting to pricestuff and I was looking at
everything and this expensive,this is not, this is not cheap,
there's so, and that's the otherthing I think people don't
realize.
That is that and I'm not cryingabout it.

(13:21):
But we're doing this becauseit's fun, right, we're doing
this because we enjoy puttingthis out for people.
I enjoy doing it because a lotof times people get the side of
other people that you might wantto ask these questions at a
tournament or have thisconversation at a tournament
with someone, but it was likeyou said it in this last episode
, or you in one of the episodesthat you have.
You don't want to bug people.
You know when you, if you'rewalking up to someone, like the

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Bassets, for example, a year, Iknow those guys, we, we wrestled
on the team with those guys fora couple dual tournaments, but
I still didn't want to bug thoseguys because of the, the, I
don't know the energy aroundthem.
Everybody else wants to talk tothem.
I don't want to be that dude.
That's like knocking on theirdoor, but at the same time,

(14:06):
though, too, like this gives theopportunity for people to see
them for that right, it allowsthem to see that side that you
weren't able to ask about.
And then, plus, you're gettinga different perspective.
You know, you're, you're,you're offering up in a visual
of a duel that you saw.
Like I said, we, we put theemotion into things.
We bring a little bit more ofthe, I guess, the more of the,
the trueness, out of something.
Now, it's not to say like mikemiles, not not talking to
someone and they don't get, youknow, emotion out of something

(14:26):
or anything like that, but it'ssomething different, right, and
you and you're bringingsomething different.
You're bringing a differenttwist to to Oklahoma state
wrestling.
Right, I mean, that's the,that's the whole thing.
Just like you know, eventuallyI don't want to.
I'm going to get mean for asecond here, but I'm not going
to talk about the badgerswrestling because nobody wants
to talk about badgers wrestling.
There's there was a, there wasa podcast that was done here

(14:47):
with with the coaches, and theydon't even do it anymore.
You know like it was.
It was kind of weird.
You know the environment aroundwisconsin with badger wrestling
right now is a little different.
It's a little a little tenseright now.
Some guys not too happy, someguys that you know that just
kind of making remarks thatthere are things that people
don't don't know.
But I would bring that flavorhere.

(15:08):
But it's like I what's going tohappen next?
You know, like I don't, I don't, I don't want to be a guy
that's telling news aboutnegative stuff.
So I like talking to otherpeople.
But now you know liam's a partof the cavalier team, so I kind
of have been watching those guysa lot and picking up a lot.
So it's, it's a different view.
You're bringing a differentview and your, your flavor, your

(15:29):
taste and, like we were talkingabout before and you know,
breaking news or anything likethat, we're just telling people
stuff that maybe they wouldn'thave access to or maybe they
didn't think of, you know.
So I respect what you're doing.
You know, like I said, it's a,it's a different flavor, it's a,
it's kind of it's a good mixand and with the numbers side on
one side and then with, I guess, what you know, like that, like
I said, the emotion side.

(15:49):
It sounds bad, sounds kind ofgirly, but the emotion side on
the other side, you get a greatmix, right?
Yeah, so when you, when youyou're talking about kind of
starting this up, when you werelooking into, like youtube and
things like that, where's thekind of same thing you're kind
of eyeing up, like okay, whatare the schematics here?
How do I get to put thistogether?
And it's it's very kind ofconfusing at first.
What were your first thoughtswhen you did your first episode?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
So my, my first thing was this was supposed, like I
said, it's supposed to be aYouTube show.
And I get on there and like I'mlike, hey, two weeks from now
I'm going to start the lowsingle YouTube show.
It's going to be awesome, it'sgoing to be great.
I'm excited.
I'm getting a lot of support.
People seem to be excited forit.
I'm like, okay, that helps mefeel more motivated.
And then, like you, I get downand I actually recorded one

(16:36):
other previous recording with,like I said, the Oklahoma State.
He kind of covers all athletics, the O State all day guy.
And, like I said, I would usethis mic, the same mic.
It would not work.
Funny enough, like I said, it'sliterally just one click of a
button.
Couldn't get that to work, man,my ring light wasn't working

(16:58):
real well.
I didn't even have this likeset up to where it is now.
I was kind of just in mybedroom and I just kind of just
shut the door, because I gotkids too, you know.
So it's kind of hard oh yeah,moment to just get it oh yeah,
but that's why I like, and I wasalso like my room is downstairs
, so I have an upstairs, I havea downstairs.
Well, the room's downstairs.
Well, the internet was terrible.
You know what I'm saying, solike oh yeah so like shout out

(17:20):
to him for being like so, sokind and so polite to me,
because after, like a couple ofdays later, I'm like hey, any
feedback you got for me?
He's like yeah, since we haveparagraph of stuff, you know.
And he's like, please don'ttake this offensive, you know.
He's like I wasn't going to sayanything unless you said
something and I was like yeah,and like, first thing, he's like
get better internet.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I'm like man.
I'm like man.
I'm sorry, I mean like.
Even right now I'm just runningoff my computer.
That's my, that's my.
I need it right next to mebecause I'm in the basement too.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
So if I don't have something down here, I'm screwed
like it's gonna chop, it'sgonna bounce all that, yeah.
Yeah, mine's probably aboutlike 10, 7 to 10 feet away from
me over to my right here, so butyeah, like I, then I'm like he
didn't mean it like discouragingand it wasn't like you know,
nothing he said was rude but itin the end I kind of was like,
well, if he thinks this likewhat's gonna happen, when I
press yeah, I press play and I'mon here by myself winging it.

(18:17):
And then you know, my friends,my close buddies, got to tell me
like hey, bro, because I gotlike a little group chat.
Um, yeah, like me and threeother guys have called the loyal
and true, it's just, we're justin there just shooting the
stuff you know, saying stuffthat we can't really say
publicly.
Just, you know, literally justtalking speculation, you know,
running through like probablelineups for next year.
you know, just random stuff likethat, and like those guys will

(18:38):
give it to me straight, you know.
But yeah, I just I didn't.
And then I started lookingstuff up and it's like I, this
camera is not the greatest.
I mean, it works well but it'snot the greatest.
Like it's not real clear.
I get that, but like I hadalready bought the computer, I
bought the mic.
I look online, this mic tellsme, like they tell me, like a
little video I watched, likethat mic's okay but it's not the

(18:58):
best one.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
The I should have bought is like 30 less.
I'm like works way better.
Compatibility's a bitch.
Compatibility with this stuffis a bitch.
I will tell you that much.
There's a one thing that Iworry about the most is like,
like I said, that now this newcamera that I have is like god,
I hope this works, I hope peoplesee me, I hope they hear me
because and I hope the rest ofthe shit works with it.
When I hook it up because youjust don't know you, you hit
record and you're like okay,what's kind of kind of moment

(19:25):
like that, but you startedcovering oklahoma state
wrestling.
Now you're from stillwater, soobviously the oklahoma state war
is already in your head, rightlike you did.
You pay attention to thewrestling stuff when you were
younger, in high school andstuff like that for sure, yeah,
so um well, so I'm actuallyyou're not like a new guy kind
of the scene or anything likethat that really loves it.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
You've been, you've known about them already oh for
sure, yeah, yeah, I've been, uh,I've been an oklahoma state fan
my whole life um oklahoma stateeverything, uh, any sporting
event, any, anything like.
I'm there for it.
And I'm actually from pawnee,which is like 27 30 miles um
from stillwater, but everybodyknows Stillwater more than they
know Pawnee, obviously.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Well, I mean, unless you watch Parks and Rec, then
you know Pawnee, but that'sIndiana.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, I said I don't think it's Oklahoma, but yeah
right.
But yeah, so I've been.
I've been a fan Like I went toduels when I was young.
That's another thing I getonline sometimes.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh nice.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Since, since I haven't came out and like, cause
I had like a personal accountbefore.
I had this whole account and ithad like my like just normal
stuff, you know, pictures of me,pictures of the kids, uh, the
wife, stuff like that, um.
But then I got this account andthen, like people are like
sometimes you know you'll get afew people that comment stuff
like, oh, like you know, or youjust started becoming a fan
because David Taylor's here and,like I told you before we got
on here, like I don't ever sayanything negative back to people

(20:47):
, I don't ever argue with people.
Actually, funny enough, joe isthe one that there's one podcast
where I kind of address thatand Joe told me he's like hey,
man, if I can give you oneadvice, they don't feel the
haters, you know, because onceyou've acknowledged them he's
like in their little ego they'relike oh, there it is.
I really tune that stuff out.
I've been an Oklahoma State fanand Oklahoma State wrestling
specifically, my whole life.

(21:08):
I met John.
The first duel I ever went towas, I think it was 2000.
It had to be like 11, 12.
I talked about it on the pod alittle bit.
That was the one I got to meetJordan Oliver, which is a good
friend.
Fast forward to now he's a goodfriend of mine.
I really enjoy him.
I got to meet him.
I got to meet Blake Rusholt,which was the heavyweight at the

(21:32):
time, and of course I wrestledheavyweight.
So it was like a Christmas giftI had got.
I think it was like sophomoreyear.
So I got to go up there and seethem and I got to meet John and
I was starstruck.
He's like how you doing son?
I'm like he's like he looks atmy mom.
He's like he doesn't talk andshe's like he talks.
He's just he's starstruck.
And I was like I'm sorry, sir,he's like he just chuckles.

(21:52):
You know, he's like it's allright.
You know you need anything else.
I'm like no, sir, thank you.
He signed my little ticket, Ithe two tickets signed by him
and jordan.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
You know, hell yeah, just a blank wall got two
tickets up there.
You know that's awesome, that'sawesome.
So.
So you've been around it, soit's not like you're, you're a
stranger to it.
So we answered that questionfrom people.
So leave him the fuck alone.
He's not not some dude who justjumped on the scene, all right.
So, uh, and if you don't worryabout if you swear on here, you
swear on here, it's okay, we'readults, right, adults right, and
that's.
I think that's where Joe hasn'treally told me to not fuel the
haters, because he knows I'm 45and like I'm tired of bullshit,

(22:30):
so I just don't put up a lot ofcrap.
I just don't, even withsomething it's weird, especially
with the social media stuffLike I'm not triggered until I'm
pushed so far, right, like if Isee it 30 times and it's the
dumbest shit on the planet, I'mprobably going to make a comment
on it because I'm just tired ofseeing it.
Like, just shut up, you know,just stop.

(22:50):
But that's me, cause I'm oldand that's probably why a lot of
people don't don't really likeme.
That's fine.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
I keep my circle small for a reason, but uh, I'm
so new to the scene, I tried,like you know, like there's so
many times I type stuff out andI'm like delete, delete, delete,
like no I have same here, samehere, dude, it's probably in the
thousands already this year andwe're just in january that I've
done that like type, type, type, type, type.
Delete, yeah, never mind, yeah,no yeah I asked myself I'm like,

(23:17):
will I feel better if I saythat like no, not really.
Like.
There's even times like therewas early on in the in the
search of like the coaching andlike different guys hitting the
portal I talked about it or Iwould like try to be the guy
like that, Just put a little bitout, not too much, but just a
little bit out and then peoplecome to you and you're like
you're a liar and I'm like like,like what else can I do?
Like show you the conversationsbetween me and this person.

(23:38):
You know gonna do that you knowI'm saying yeah, just because
you know some guy that's justrandom, random numbers and no,
no post.
You know I'm saying just getson there and argues with people.
You know I'm saying like itdoesn't.
It doesn't mean no service toget in there and argue with
those folks.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
But it's hard and I've I've said plenty of stuff
in the past that I couldn'teither back up or or that I, I
just blurted it out, I I'lladmit to it right now and people
can call me for it out on therug later on.
That's fine, but I've done it.
You know, I've made themistakes of like just posting an
emotion, like, oh you know,like rage posting, but I've kind

(24:14):
of ended that.
There's certain things that asI grow up because I mean in my
20s it would have been way worse, but now in my 40s, I'm just
bitter, I'm over it I want mykid to be in the next chapter so
we can watch the cool collegestuff.
That's what I want to do.
No, for sure, I never reallyjumped on a college team before.
As far as covering them andthings like that, and you and I

(24:35):
were kind of talking aboutnumbers before, because I feel
like that's part of it.
But then kind of listening toother podcasts, kind of like
what yours, you know, like whatyou're doing is.
You don't always have to haveall the stats, like some people
just like to hear about the duelitself, just because either a
couldn't watch it or b couldn'tbe there right.
So you're you're basically justkind of doing a kind of doing a

(24:56):
play-by-play, because a lot oftimes either you're there or you
watch it right.
So it's just kind of a littleplay-by-play a quick synopsis of
the duel and then kind of yourthoughts.
Like I said, you and I kind oftalk on emotion and how excited
we were about someone, or we'rekind of down because they didn't
get this in a match.
You know that kind of thing.
So when you're kind of puttingyourself in a match or duel,

(25:22):
what are specific things thatyou like to look for when you're
watching a duel?
Are there?
Do you have, like you said,when you do a show?
You only have some like quicknotes that you just kind of go
off of.
Are the things you're watchingfor a duel?
You're just taking it all in um.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
So this year it's kind of different because, like
in the years past, it's not beensuch like a skeptic like you
know, like a skeptical.
It's, it's like the fog machine, yeah, it's, it's just so
awesome right now.
So, like the first couple onesbecause I have season tickets,
which I'm this is my first yearbeing a season ticket holder my,
the way I was going into thisis I thought this was going to
be like, you know, john smithcoleman, you know, like the

(25:57):
regular cast.
You know that was my mindsetgoing into this.
And then everything changes andit's like well, I'm still gonna
buy season tickets, I stillwant to be there, like you know,
like, yeah, getting davidtaylor I don't think anybody's
mad by that, you know, I'msaying especially with fast
forward to now.
But yeah, like when I'm thereI'm kind of just taking it in,
man I'm I'm interacting a lot.
I feel like when I'm there ismore of my opportunity to uh,

(26:18):
like interact with the guys.
You know, because, like we're,because I've been getting like
some of the 34 club ticketswhich is like right, where the
guys run out, yeah, one of theone of the like people to listen
to the pod were like, hey, wecan't always make it we'd like
for you.
You know, if you can't use them, find somebody else that uses
them.
So I've been able to enjoy that, uh two times now uh, virginia
tech duel and then the wyomingduel, so that was really cool.

(26:39):
And yeah, being down there andlike seeing the guys do their
run-ins and like they're likeyou're right there, like I'm the
first person they see, causeI'm like right in the corner,
I'm interacting with David, I'minteracting with Thomas.
You know like I'm doingeverything I can to just kind of
just like hey, and I've beenwearing my little single shirt,
you know like make sure theyknow like hey, this is who I am,
cause that was a big thing toois like everybody's like oh,

(26:59):
people thought I was justdifferent people from all over.
Funny story David Taylor's momthought I was John Smith.
She thought John Smith ran thelow single page.
And David Taylor's dad's likeno, there's no way.
Like John, don't talk like that.
You know what I'm saying.
This is obviously before Ishowed my face and everything

(27:20):
like that, but just off thetweets, you know he didn't
really think it was me or thinkit was John.
But yeah, I mean, I'm reallyjust taking everything in, and I
mean I still do.
There is certain things I dolook for, like if I try to get a
good picture of, like Davidone-on-one with one of the guys
before they come out.
I like to share that kind ofstuff because that's the kind of
stuff you can't see on TV.
If you watch the duel, I cantell you the score.

(27:40):
Later I can tell you what Ithink about it.
I can tell you kind of kind of,when I'm like going through the
review in the pod, I'm just kindof like thinking back on the
match, like what was that likefor me?
You know, kind of just putmyself back into that where I
was and what I was doing duringthe match, you know.
So I'm not so much into myphone, I'm really just taking it
all in and enjoying it and just, you know, building those
relationships with everybody,the recruits.

(28:00):
Sometimes I got to meet allthose guys coming in from a
court.
That was cool.
You get to meet a lot of coolpeople and that's the fun part
of this.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
It's funny you mention that because last night
there was a duel between myson's team and then Nina, which
is just down the road from us.
It was a high school duel.
There's a kid on there that'sranked number eight in the
country at 157, I think it is,and then Liam is number 16 at
165, right, and they could havewrestled um, because he'd been
this other kid had beenwrestling at 175 for duels and
then he dropped down to 165 forstuff, right.
So there's a guy that ranks andhe's like hey, is this gonna go

(28:36):
down tonight?
I was like I couldn't tell you.
I was like I know, liamwrestles 175 regardless, doesn't
matter which duel it is, he'snot cutting weight, he just
wants to relax and kind of, youknow, because he wrestled 190
actually that night too is weird.
But um, he, he's like, oh, isanybody streaming it?
And I said, well, no,unfortunately not this one.
I'm I'm pretty sure our teamdoesn't necessarily like outside

(28:57):
people and it's very pennstate-ish when it comes to how
open our team is with stuff.
Um, it's kind of strange, but Iget it.
I understand.
You know the the concept behindit, so I respect that kind of
thing.
Um, but um, they.
They're asking if someone'sstreaming it and I said no, not,
not this one.
They're like, well, that's,that's kind of crazy.
He goes I'm surprised someone'snot streaming it on their phone

(29:19):
.
And I was about to pick my phoneup and I was like, ah, dude,
like I'm here watching a duel,like I'm not gonna most and
that's.
And then I'm looking around I'mlike that's what everybody else
is here doing, like they'rehere watching, they're, they're
taking it.
Taking a photo is one thing,but then they sit there and
stream like a duel or whatever,or like a match and a duel.
So it was just kind of likeit's funny that you mentioned
that, because taking it in isimportant, because to me, being

(29:41):
at something that's like that isis there's a lot of energy,
especially with what you guyshave now.
You know the yeah, the, thecrowd, the intensity is probably
gonna be a little more nowadaysthan it was back.
You know back in the day, inthe, you know early 2000s and
stuff like that.
But what about with?
What about when you're?
When you're kind of you know inbetween or whatnot?
Are you kind of out in thecrowd, kind of talking to people

(30:02):
too, like kind of seeing whomight be milling around in
between a match or something.
You know.
When you hit 157, you get thebreak.
Are you out kind of talking topeople out then too?

Speaker 3 (30:10):
yeah, so, uh, we, actually I think we so we take a
break, like I think it's after165, it could be before, I
thought it was after, but it's,I don't know.
They kind of do a little bitdifferent, uh, but yeah, for
sure, I'm, I'm talking, Italking, I'm interacting, I'm
like hey, I, you know, I'mThomas, this is me, you know,
let me see, let me see what Ican do with you, let me see if
we can, cause I have, like someguys that want to do some
interviews to some guys on theteam, um, but I've told them

(30:32):
that I want them to focus onwhat they're doing, cause I
don't know exactly how Davidfeels about all that.
Uh, but you know, like I don'twant to do something with
somebody, and then the next dayor that night they get a call
from David like hey, you know,and I don't know if he's like
that, I honestly don't know.
Um, I've had some interactionswith him as well.
Um, I actually even got him alow single shirt, so that's

(30:54):
going to be fun.
I can't wait till he pops outwith that.
I know people are going to thinkthat's awesome.
I can't.
I just try to.
I try to interact witheverybody just put eyes on
anybody.
You know it was even.
The coolest now is that I've,like I said, these guys have
only seen my face, you know,consecutively now this whole
year, because other than that, Iwas just sitting up in the
crowd.
You know when I would come andI just wouldn't interact, I just

(31:15):
watch and then leave.
Yeah, well, now, like guys willsee me and they can spot me in
a crowd, you know, and I thinkthat's awesome, you know.
So I do enjoy that, Like if Igot any return out of this.
It's just you know, justknowing some of the, some more
of the athletes, and just youknow, having good interactions
with them and then friendshipswith them, is just you know,
it's cool, it's definitely.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, for sure.
And you know, and that's beenthe big thing.
I mean, I've interviewed MarkSchultz, I've interviewed gary
may have you know all that stuff.
And being able to get to knowthese guys like this is kind of
how it started for me.
I was at wrestling tournamentswith my kid, right, these people
would just be there signingstuff, doing whatever you know,
things like that, and then youkind of like you and I just
having a conversation comedy gotme into that I would just start

(31:58):
talking to people.
I was talking to dan gable at atournament one time for like 30
minutes.
You know, maybe that's my fault, but he was talking too.
He was willing to, willing togo the mile.
So I was like, well, this wouldbe interesting, you know, and
just kind of talking and gettinginto it.
And then talking to athleteswas even more engaging because
it was helping me kind of findthings out for my kid too.
You know, like, how are youdoing this, how do you do this?

(32:18):
And I get frank jasper, I getshoot on talking to him about
nutrition.
So it's really been beneficial,not just for me but also kind of
helping, you know, help my kidout, but it's getting more
information that I remember as akid we were not talking about
that, we weren't putting infront of parents, you know, and
and letting coaches see thiskind of stuff.
It's not like I'm teachingcoaches anything, but as far as

(32:39):
putting something out there thatis is, uh, um, well, consumable
and and helping people and atthe same time, entertaining,
right, I mean again the storiesand things that you're talking
about.
I wasn't at an oklahoma stateduel, so you're telling me
something that I never saw.
So that's again, it's.
It's really fun to to be ableto go down the road and and be
able to to follow these throughthe years and and then go back

(33:01):
and be like I wonder what it waslike.
Because, like I was justtalking about 1920 stats from
virginia wrestling like holy cow, like I'm gonna, I'm digging in
, but with with the oklahomastate gig, when you were you did
you live in oklahoma still when, when all this was going down
with the coaching change?

Speaker 3 (33:19):
no, no, so I've been.
Uh, yeah, I've been in kansasthe last, like 24, 25 years.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Oh man, that long you didn't say it.
I thought it was like somewhereyou just moved recently.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
No, no, yeah.
I went to high school here,everything yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Oh, okay, so where?
Where?
What town in Kansas?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Uh, in Wichita Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
All right, we won't tell your address, that's fine.
So you're in wichita.
I was actually a funny storyfor further down the road, but
wichita is a nice little town,where.
Where did you?
Where did you?
Did you always watch oklahomastate?
Did you take a break?
Were you kind of doing otherthings?

Speaker 3 (33:56):
no, always, uh, back then I could only listen to it
on the radio, though you knowthere wasn't all these streaming
services and stuff.
Yeah, so I would.
You know, I would.
Uh, there's a 90, like it's hot, 93.7 or something like that.
Rex, he's the Oklahoma stateguy, he gets on there and he'll,
he would walk, like talkthrough every dual live and
that's how I would listen, like,and I was, um, and obviously

(34:17):
like a lot of duels are onSundays and stuff like that, and
I was involved in church anddifferent stuff like that.
Like doing a bus ministry, whichis like going to picking up
kids and stuff like that, well,I would do that still, I'm still
dedicated to my ministry, butI'm like got my headphones in.
I'm like in the back of the busas we're dropping kids off.
I'm like, yes, you know, like,cause I've been involved with
that since I was young and butyeah, so I always consumed as

(34:40):
much as I could A lot of times,especially like NCAAs and stuff
like that.
Sometimes the finals would airon ESPN or something, but
sometimes you'd have to catchthem, maybe one in the morning,
whenever I could and as much asI could, even if it was the next
day.
That's how I would consume itas much.
But as far as Oklahoma Stateones, definitely I would radio.
That was my biggest thing justlistening to a radio.

(35:00):
So I was dedicated, dedicatedto listening.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
I was dedicating to like, consuming it any way that
I could, nice, nice and honestlythere's, there's something to
be said for that's, I mean,that's loyalty, like I've never
been a wisconsin like sports fan, unless it was like my kids are
going to school.
I I just never, I've, never.
I was never a badger fan.
I was never a brewer fan.
I was never a packer fan.

(35:23):
I was never.
I'm a steelers fan.
I never a Brewer fan.
I was never a Packer fan.
I was never.
I'm a Steelers fan.
I'm a Red Sox fan and I'm awherever my kids go into college
fan.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
That's right.
I'm a Yankees fan, all right.
All right.
Thanks.
Thanks everybody for coming.
That's a wrap.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
We'll, we'll, we have to continue that on somewhere.
That that'll be fun, because Ialways, I always like that
little rivalry with those guys.
But so with what we do we'retalking about this, there comes
a little bit of a responsibility.
Right, we're talking about thewhole the osu kind of change,
and just real briefly.
But you know, david, coming inand in the, in the in the um
beginning of all that, there'sobviously rumors spreading

(36:02):
around, right there's, you know,we know Coleman Scott's get the
job.
Well, we don't know.
Though there's talks aboutsomeone else, were you, were you
kind of back and forth withpeople when all that was going
on was what, what was their,what was the buzz by you, was it
?
I mean, obviously you havepeople that you talk to and we
all have our, our, our guys,right.

(36:22):
So was there a buzz kind ofgoing around before things
started going on the internetabout david?

Speaker 3 (36:29):
um, no, well, no, it's kind of hard for me to say,
because that was kind of mekind of breaking into everything
that that's how like quickthings have moved.
For me is, back then I didn'treally have a source or sources.
I had like a, I had a couplepeople, but kind of like they're
just kind of feeding me the,the scuttle butt from still
water.
You know, I'm saying there'sokay, this is what we're hearing
.
This we're hearing.
I didn't.

(36:49):
I'm also like on the 34 andcounting forum, which is like
the oh yeah for message boardfor oklahoma state and that's
kind of where I started hearingand I was like, bro, there's no
way like david taylor.
I'm like my first question waslike david taylor, who You're
not talking about?
Penn State David Taylor.
I'm sitting here questioningmyself.
I don't remember a David Taylor.
It did not even cross my mindthat we could really hire

(37:12):
somebody outside of the family.
It's kind of like a mafia Onceyou're in, you're in.
You know what I'm saying, likethat one meme, it's like you
don't ask about family business.
So when I first started hearingabout that I didn't really know
, you know, and like I told youbefore we started like I was a
coleman guy, but that's justbecause, like not like I dislike
david is just all right, we, wekeep it in the family.

(37:34):
You know, and in my mind youbring a guy over to be the
assistant, you just assume, hey,that's.
You know, not a lot of headcoaches step down without
thinking like, oh okay, I okay,I figured in a couple of years
and that's another thing Ididn't think John was going to
retire.
That was mind blowing to me.
I knew, I knew there might belike.
I knew he always wanted toleave the program in a better

(37:55):
way.
Like you know, like not 20th atNCAAs or whatever, he wanted to
be left in a in a positive wayfor somebody, so they weren't
just taking over just you knowwhat the scraps or whatever.
But yeah, I, I totally was aColeman Scott guy man and I was,
I was endorsing that, you know.
And then once David became theguy, I just you know, like again
, like I said earlier, like it'snot like I was like in my room

(38:17):
crying.
You know, like, oh my gosh, howcould, how could we bring in,
you know, maybe the possiblenext best coaching guy.
You know, like you're just likeokay, like I may not have got
the guy that was in the family,but you're not like nobody's
going to cry that they got PhilJackson.
Like nobody's mad about that,nobody's mad.
So that was a.
It was an interesting time.
You know, everybody has theirfeelings.

(38:37):
Um, everybody was like, youknow, all of us feel like none
of us are Coleman Scott, but wewere attached to him.
You know, like he was ourfamily.
He chose us, we choose you.
If you choose us, we're goingto always choose you.
And that's the, that's thebrand, like the loyal and true
is not just a saying, you know.
That's why, when a guytransfers out not not so much in
wrestling, but like a lot oflike a football guy transfers

(38:58):
out oh man, true, guy transfersto OU we take that to heart, you
know it's like your familyspitting in your face.
You know that's like.
That's like my sister walkingin and telling me she wants
nothing to do with me.
You know I'm like what's goingon here?
Like no way, you don't do that.

(39:18):
But you know that's how it was,like everything was kind of
chaos.
Everything was kind of at leastfor me, you know, because I'm
like I are like we don't know,you, buddy, we're not telling
you nothing.
And then you know, but alsosome people that wouldn't talk
to me before now talk to me nowbecause they realize, you know,
I can, you know, keep some stuffunder wraps or I can, you know,
hear something and not not justgo out and report it, because
that doesn't benefit, you know,that doesn't benefit me in any

(39:38):
way yeah, yeah, it's a.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
It's funny you mentioned that just because all
the stuff, obviously that's kindof swirling around about
crookham right now, with umrumors that go, but and here's
the thing, though, is thatpeople don't understand that
sometimes some people do hearthe correct thing, right, like
whether you want to believe itor not, whether you like the
news or not, is it's irrelevant.
It doesn't matter whether youlike it or not, if it's

(40:03):
something and that's, I think,that's the biggest thing for us
is like confirming right, I wantto say something, but hold on,
I'm gonna ask this guy because Iknow he'll know and I know this
guy will know.
Right, I always do that.
That's the, that is, first andforemost, the thing that I do,
because I'm again, I have a sonthat's in this, this game, right
, I wouldn't want something likethat to go down for him, right,

(40:25):
but if it was something stupidand he did something wrong, you
know, guess what?
Then sometimes you pay theprice for that shit because it
passes around.
That's what happens, yeah, so Iwas a coleman scott guy as well.
I mean, all the way through,even at nc, like I was like he's
gonna be, he's gonna be thereforever, I was actually kind of
telling him.
I was like, hey, maybe lookNorth Carolina, you know just
kind of see what's going onthere, cause we took a visit.

(40:46):
Keaton Cleaver was going thereand Coleman met Coleman Scott,
he got to meet Ramos, stuff likethat, and he was probably 14 at
the time, I think we were atsuper 32.
And then I was just kind oflike, yeah, he's, he should be,
he's going to be the next guy,like, but I didn't understand
why I left north carolina.
That confused me, so I wantedto know a little bit more.

(41:07):
Why wouldn't he be at northcarolina, right?
So I I got information, but youput information out, and it's
not necessarily need to be outthere.
I think there's guys that couldlearn lessons from that.
You know it, whether it's trueor not.
Sometimes there's informationthat shouldn't be out there, but
at the same point, though, too,there are guys that are out
there that have been puttinginfo out that like that for a
long time.
They've gotten some stuff right, they've gotten some stuff

(41:29):
wrong, and they're not going tostop what they're doing.
Like that's just what they do,because we're what we're in a
world of clicks and likes, right.
We're in a world of gettinggetting post engagements and
things like that, and I thinkthat's why you and I are kind of
like we don't want, want, we'renot getting paid for this,
right.
We're doing this because welove doing this kind of thing.
We love this, the sport andwhat it's done for us, and when

(41:49):
it's given back to us, just kindof go into a duel and it's
exciting, right?
It's a different sport.
It's not like going to afootball game.
So there's a respect factor outthere, and I I first and
foremost from high school tofrom youth to high school to
college.
I respect every athlete that'sout there.
There's no bout of doubt that Iwill never, ever, ever, ever
take away from any of theathletes that are out there ever

(42:10):
.
Right, those guys are stillfiguring life out.
While they're athletes, whilethey're students, they got a lot
of shit going on.
Some of them are going to makesome screw-ups, but they're
still kind of, in my eyes, arekids right?
They're still figuring it out.
For sure, coaches, in my eyes,are a little more open to that
kind of scrutinizing stuff,right, because you're an adult.
Now, it's a job, it's abusiness, and business gets in
the way sometimes of the realityof what we put out there, right

(42:32):
?
So I think sometimes, in withwhat you're putting out, like
again, it's emotion, you went toa duel.
You're like man, I really likedthis guy.
I would have liked to see him,you know when, but he kind of
did this him you know when, buthe kind of did this.
You're basing it off of factsbecause you saw something.
Right now, all this stuff thatkind of whirls around when it
comes to guys moving and goingto different schools.
It's not, it's not hard toscrew that up, but it's.

(42:53):
Also.
I think it's a little biteasier to just be like okay,
whatever kind of blow it off,right, because I think a lot of
people take to that they'reobviously with mr minio.
There are a lot of peoplealready commenting being mean to
him.
You know that kind of thing andI think I fell into that trap
too when it was someone that youcared about or like that, you
know, like an athlete or coachor something that you kind of

(43:14):
cared about like you.
It was one of your favoritesand I'll see you see him talking
shit about him like hey man,how do you know that kind of
thing?
Yeah, he does.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Maybe he heard something, maybe someone heard
something that you didn't hear,you know well, that's the thing
everybody like tried to get somad at him because he was one of
the first people to talk aboutdavid coming to oklahoma state.
Sure, he was one of the firstpeople and flow, flow went on
there and cp he's like blown itup I know david, he's not going,
as of last night he's not going, and then guess what happens.

(43:42):
so here's my running rule is ifFlo goes out of their way to
discredit it, there's some truthto it, probably true.
That's my personal opinion,because again Christian sat on
there like he was all confidentand he's like no, David's not
going there.
He's not.
Ben's like oh, I'm going to.
You know, ben Askren tweetedlike, oh, I'm going to call out,

(44:02):
I'm going to.
You know Ben Askren tweetedlike, oh, I'm going to call out,
I'm going to say that he isgoing.
And you know, cp's likeretweeting that, like, no, he's
not going to go.
He's not going to go.
He's like making a singularvideo, like breaking down
everything because he wanted tobe the guy like hey, I know more
than you.
And he's like they met withDavid.
David doesn't want to go thismorning.
He's like, oh, they must haveupped their offer and did this,

(44:23):
and I'm not saying that didn'thappen, but that that's just one
thing I always think of they,they like to they.
They literally told us thatdavid was not coming.
He christian said that and theyeverybody crucified pat for
that.
But that, that one like I saidso.
So when flow goes out of theirway to discredit it, I I tend to
lean that it's true, hopefullyyou know, hopefully crookham can

(44:46):
come back, but uh, hopefully,from what I yeah, from what it
sounds like it may not be so andwho knows, maybe they're, maybe
they're trying to get you knowlike how you go see one doctor
and you're like okay, well, youseen your doctor, come see our
doctor.
It may be a situation like that.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
I don't really know, but so you know, I'm finding it
kind of, though.
There's been a couple guys nowthat they're foregoing the
season, so I'm wondering if thishas anything to do with this
new fifth year that guys areallowed to get.
I don't know all NCAA rules, soI'm going to pause and just say
, look, I don't know all therules, but would they be able to

(45:21):
redshirt this year and comeback and get that extra year
because of that new rule?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Well, I don't so, from what I understand.
Again, like you, I don't know ahundred percent.
That's more like in the weedstype stuff.
But from what I understand isthat's not a thing yet, because
even some of the Juco stuff eventhough they're like moving
forward with that, I don't knowif that's like taking place this
season actually go in place.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yeah, I'm talking next season so like if they, if
they're putting everything ontheir season on pause to
reinstate for the next year,does that?
I mean I'm?
That's why I was just looking.
I was like why are all theseguys like really good guys, yeah
, like guys who are potentiallygoing to be all americans maybe
when it like are forfeitingthey're not forfeiting but
they're they're red shirting orwhatever going out for the year

(46:02):
like what the hell's going onhere?
Maybe injuries, maybe a littlebeat up.
You know, obviously we don'tknow the whole story.
You know someone might besaying just need to take a break
, kind of thing, and that'stheir story.
But just seems weird that thisnew rule came out.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
I was like a minute is there something wrong with
this and with the med shirt youcan wrestle half the season.
And then now, if you don'twrestle into january, even if
you do wrestle a little bit intoJanuary, it's kind of just so
much in the air.
So it's like you could wrestlehalf a season and it technically
doesn't count against you,because if you're hurt.
Now obviously I don't thinkanybody's wrestling half a

(46:34):
season and they're like you knowwhat, if you're good like
Kirkham, I don't see Kirkhamlike you know what, because he's
pretty much the favorite to win133.
Correct the favorite to win 133correct.
So I don't see any where whereit benefits him to be like.
You know what?
I think I need another year inmy road under my belt, you know
so.
But it is very interesting, thefive years could be a
possibility.
The ncaa is going to dowhatever they can to keep hold
of these kids and make the mostmoney they can, because you know

(46:56):
like when they, when they madethose rules, they weren't
thinking about wrestling, theywere thinking about football
absolutely not.
You know shit about wrestlingdude absolutely not if they
could have had five playingyears of joe burrow, they would
have.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
So yeah, there's probably those little hidden
schools that are out.
There's probably a couplebigger schools too that actually
have like an ad.
That loves wrestling, that isfamiliar with wrestling, that
knows they want to keep itaround.
But this whole you know we'lldive into it that whole ncaa
thing that's going on, man.
Like we're going to be lookingat possible cuts.
They're looking at trying tomake these kids like employees
of the school.
You know how bad that's goingto be.

(47:28):
Someone was talking aboutunions and shit too.
Like there's absolutely nofreaking way Get out of here.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Well, because right now the universities are at the
loss because a kid can literallyyou could tell a kid, you could
punish a kid, like hey, man,you can't be doing that that kid
could show up to whoever's door, show up to the school, and
they can be enrolled, or youknow, like that's the thing.
So I think they want to havesome kind of the ncaa.
For so long had a leverage overkids, especially with, like how

(47:58):
it used to be, where if youtransferred, you had to sit out
a year.
Well, nobody wants to do that,nobody wants to do that, you
know.
Yeah, but if there's an pop likeyou can literally like I could
wrestle here first semester andthen I could just like you know
what I'm done with this, and Icould just show up in norman and
it's like, oh, I paid my ownfees and I go here now.
It's like, okay, you paid yourown fees and you go here now.

(48:20):
Okay, you know, but nobody cansay anything and nobody can call
it out.
But now they're wanting to putit back on the kids and yeah,
now they want to lock them intocontracts and stuff like that
yeah, it's crazy, it's notcalled national letter of intent
anymore.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
You know they changed the name of it, can't?
Everything's changing before mykid gets into college and it's
probably still going to changeeven more before that.
Like I, I get that there.
There needed to be somestability.
We can all think johnny manzielfor this, by the way, just so
everybody's aware of this.
This whole nil thing is becausesome dirty football player.
So these kids, these kids arekind of getting cornered into a

(48:55):
spot.
I mean, that's why liam madethe decision he made, based off
of him liking the school.
But we also had some urgency,you know, with the roster cuts
and and stuff like that, becauseyou just don't know, you know
who's going to be there.
Like looking at 165 of virginia, yeah, there's a bunch of kids
there, but fingers crossed oncethose, those cuts come down,
that they're still gonna wantthem there.

(49:16):
You know that, that kind ofthing.
So it was kind of a scarysituation, just kind of knowing
that there wasn't really time tolike over, evaluate, youvaluate
, you know, to kind of figureout where to go.
And I can only imagine someonewho doesn't know what the hell
is going on in the scope ofthings, because we're we're
asking, literally asking thesecoaches, hey, do you know what's
going on with?
You know with the school and,and you know, possibly talking

(49:39):
just in cause, at that point itwas just talks about getting rid
of any sports or how wrestlingis going to get treated.
You guys gonna losescholarships.
They're like, what are youtalking about?
Like what?
Yeah, they don't even know.
You guys don't know this shit.
And I was talking to a coupleother guys and they're just like
, yeah, the athletic directors,like that's the like.
Last thing they do is tellthose guys stuff, like as it's
about to hit the floor, likethey don't let them know ahead

(50:01):
of time about anything.
I'm like you gotta be kiddingme.
And then I become a soccercoach and I see it all.
I'm just like we are toldnothing.
We're literally the last onesto find out stuff.
So, talking to these coaches andI'm seeing the reactions on
their faces and I'm like this iscrazy.
Like we're making a decisionthat they don't even know that
we have to make, so that, likethey're they're planning of how

(50:24):
they want to do things isprobably thrown off now because
of whatever the you know theschool needs to do.
So it's just a.
It's a very precarious time tobe able to, as a kid, to be
coming into college sports,because I think everybody's
going to be expecting a milliondollar payoff and I think once
the future shows up, it's notgoing to be happening anymore,
you know yeah, I think that'sthe biggest thing, like you're
saying, everybody thinks andthat's that's real tough is?

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I don't know if you see many uh, like other sports
stuff, but there's a the coach,for I believe it's ucla, a
basketball coach yeah he's justso fed up with his players that
he came out.
He's like, yeah, he goes, thesekids, they all think that
they're worth all this money hegoes and they don't got the
talent for all this money.
He was like and that's what'scrazy.
And that's what's hard isbecause, like, you have to tell

(51:07):
a kid that and it's like youknow what, I don't want to kill
the kids, the dreams.
But at the same time you knowyou got a kid that maybe placed
a couple of times, like maybemaybe you placed all four years
in state, not never, never wonit, but you placed.
And then school really wantsyou and it's like, okay, well, I
want 150 000.
They're like, okay, well, holdon.
You know.
Like, well, hold on.
I'm not saying we know.

(51:28):
Like we believe in our system,we believe in pushing, we
believe that we can get you towhere you need to go.
But yeah, then the next yearyou ask for 250 000 and like
that's just not realistic.
Like some of these guys, not somuch in wrestling, but like
these football guys some ofthose guys are like it's more
lucrative to stay in collegethan it is to go and play in the
NFL.
Like there's guys making moremoney Like Shador Sanders don't

(51:50):
quote me on it, but I'mconfident he makes more money
than, like, say, brock Purdy,who was like a fifth, who was
like seventh round pick, missedthe last pick.
You know what I mean and that'scrazy.
And that's crazy because he's astarting quarterback.
Now he may not start for everynfl team, but he's a starting
quarterback in the nfl yep, andyou got deon sanders, son, who's
making a lot of more money thanhim, and that dude is playing a

(52:13):
super bowl.
I played in the super bowl, youknow that's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
He broke records like broke records, dude, yeah.
So I think, with a lot, of, alot of what is is in college
wrestling and the excitementthat's going on now, I feel like
we came to a peak.
And it almost feels like now,with this NCAA stuff, do we want
to keep popping circumstance ordo we just want to get back to

(52:38):
dirty, gritty wrestling againand not worry about all the
fancy shit Because it costs alot of money?
Right, and let's face it,wrestling doesn't bring in money
.
Wrestling brings in top.
I think the top schools arelike around a mil or two we
don't do any favors no, no,correct, correct.
And we're talking penn state.
We're like, we're talking oneof the top teams in the country

(52:59):
doesn't bring in that much money.
That's not their fault.
We're just a small sport, right, like we feel, like it's huge
because we're surrounded by itlike we, we put it around us all
the time.
But in the grand scheme ofthings we're very small chasm
and we're going to be looked atlike an anthill when everything
comes down to, down to um, thedollars and cents.
And that's why, hopefully,hopefully we do.

(53:20):
And there there are quite a few,a few different athletic
directors I've seen making theargument Like we need to look at
this because we don't want to,we don't want to be getting rid
of these sports, we don't wantto have to drop.
You know sports, especially theOlympic sports, things like
that.
So it's not like everybody outthere, every AD out there, is
like against wrestling, but it'sa business.
Again, ncaa is a business,college sports is a business.

(53:40):
You have to pay bills incollege and you have to justify
things.
Virginia just built a brand newbeautiful facility out there.
I mean awesome.
So I'm assuming that's notgoing anywhere.
You know like they justinvested in that much money in
it.
So I'm really, really positivethat they're not going to go
anywhere with it.
No, I can't say the same for,like I don't know, like a Purdue

(54:02):
or you know things like that.
That does it justify a footballteam paying for that?
Because that's what it is.
It's these football teams andbasketball teams that really pay
the bills, because, I mean,let's face it, that's those are
the big, the big time sports.
So with, with that being said,with Oklahoma being such a
wrestling you know, wrestlingschool, wrestling state,

(54:24):
oklahoma state is what do youthink?
Have you guys heard any kind ofgrumblings around Oklahoma ever
about man?
We hope this doesn't come downthe pipe because we think
wrestling could go away, givenyour history, right, yeah, have
you guys heard anything likethat around your area?

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Not really as you were.
Like explaining it.
I was kind of thinking like Inever thought about this before.
But like I was kind of thinkingI never thought about this
before, but I'm kind of spoiledbeing an Oklahoma State fan.
You're kind of spoiled becauseI don't see a world where
there's not wrestling atOklahoma State.
Now, obviously things change,but I just think that even if it
became because I heard thatpeople fear that one day this

(55:01):
all may just be a club thing.
Everybody just does clubs.
There's no official team.
But even if there was, even ifthat was like what happens to
the whole all of collegewrestling Oklahoma State would
be in a lot better situationsthan I mean, 95 percent of
everybody else, because peoplelove wrestling and we have a
good AD too.

(55:21):
Everybody was kind of mad at him.
You know I got to see him atthe Virginia Tech tech one and I
went over and I was like hey, Iwas like I'm the low single guy
he goes oh, I know who you are.
And I was like, okay, well,that, thank you, that means a
lot.
And, uh, I'm like you know, Iwas like hey, I was like I know
you took a lot of flack forbringing in david.
I said I know people didn'tnecessarily like again, it was
never.
It was never against david,it's just that, yeah, we don't

(55:42):
hire outside the family,especially after 33 years of
john smith.
Yeah, no shit, right, you know,like so especially.
And then, like I said, everybodyhad the same assumption that I
did.
Oh, coleman's stepping downfrom nc and coming here, oh well
, he must be getting the job ina couple years or a year or
whatever.
It may be right, but rad caresabout wrestling.
Um, he went to oklahoma state,you know.

(56:05):
He apparently had a really goodrelationship with John and that
helps, you know, when you havea sure.
I think if it wasn't for JohnSmith, I don't know what
wrestling in Oklahoma would looklike.
He's like an icon maneverywhere.
I mean obviously everywhere inthe United States, even outside
the United States he's an icon.
But in.
Oklahoma man.
He, he's, he's the bee's knees,as I like to say you know what

(56:28):
I'm saying Like he, he's themilk and the honey, you know
what I mean.
And like he has time foreverybody.
I don't know one person that'sever been like big time by him,
like oh, he doesn't have timefor you.
So many times, Like when I'dsee him, he's like how's the
family?
Like that's crazy.
Like you don't even know myfamily but you're asking like

(56:54):
you know it's.
You know, like so I think hereally set a precedent in all of
the state.
But, yeah, we're definitelylucky, because I don't ever see,
especially now.
I mean, even before I didn'tsee it ever happening, but now
it's like even getting moreattention and people are wanting
to be in Stillwater.
As you see, we're having MMAguys come in here, ufc guys.
We got Joey McKenna trainingthis weekend.

(57:14):
I don't know how long he'sstaying, but he's here for a bit
.
Like that's huge man.
And I'm not saying that the oldstuff didn't have guys coming
in, but you know it wasn't quitelike this.
You know guys coming in, but itwasn't quite like this.
I don't remember us justbringing in a UFC guy that
doesn't even have anyconnections.
He's never went to OklahomaState, that guy's never been.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
That's where you have Penn State in your room.
Now you guys are Penn OklahomaState, that's exactly where you
guys are.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
No, sir, I'll take that Boston Red Sox talk, but I
will not take that.
Okay, just like David said, weare not trying to be the second
Penn State.
We are trying to remind peoplewho we are here.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
So that's it.
Yeah, kaukauna State.
But it's funny you mention that, because how do you remove so
much of what penn state historydavid has with himself, like
just the, the training, thecompetition, the, the way things
were in the room, like theyonly play one song, one song in

(58:21):
that room, all practice.
They don't change the music.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Oh, really, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm curious to see, like if he
brought that to that room, yougot to pen Oklahoma State room.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
No, he's bringing, he's the magic man, right, he's
bringing magic From myexperience they get to some of
it, like when I got to go intoone practice and some of the
guys got to uh got to pick themusic, so maybe that's something
I don't know, maybe different,maybe he didn't like the one
song theory.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I would have been annoyed by it as well.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I'm not gonna lie, I'm not a one song guy only one
song we allow to be played onrepeat is friends in low places.
Garth brooks, okay.
Another oklahoma state alumni,okay don't.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
don't make me pull out my country line dance and my
texasstep shit, because I didthat when I was a kid.
I got forced to do that stuff,man, it was scary.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Oh yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Back in the 1900s, you know, yeah, I can say that
now, back in the 1900s.
That's crazy.
So when you go like now, kindof going forward, what kind of
plans do you have to like I mean, obviously you're just kind of
getting used to the podcastthing and kind of doing that Do
you have plans to expand, tokind of do more Like what are

(59:34):
some of your ideas that you havefor the future?

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I'm glad you asked.
I really we didn't.
We didn't even set this up, butI'm so glad you asked.
So I actually have been workingon quite a bit now.
Obviously, joe did the did thewebsite.
Yep.
He's so cool, he literally hitme up.
It's like hey man.
He's like do you have a website?
And I was like, no.
I was like, and be honest withyou, joe, I was like, even if I
did, I wouldn't know what to dowith it.
He's like all right, give me asecond.

(59:57):
I'm like okay, I'm thinkinghe's gonna like tell me how to
do it, you know yeah okay, sendme, send me some.
You know, tell me like he's like, if I wasn't a listener, how
would you explain the pod to me?
You know?
So I did, typed it all out inparagraph.
He's all right, cool.
Literally in 14 minutes hesends me a link.
Like here you go, man, and I'mlike what is this?
I'm like, okay, I click it open, it's a whole thing and I'm

(01:00:20):
like, I'm like literally likeflabbergasted, like no way, like
and he's like and I'm like dude.
Thank you so much.
Like I've probably thanked himlike a million times just in the
few days that it's been live.
He's like dude.
I literally do that all day.
It took me 15 minutes.
I'm like okay, but I couldn'tdo that in 15 days.
I am not tech savvy like that.

(01:00:41):
Like I said, my mic didn't workand it's because I didn't press
a button on the computer.
That shit happens, man, even onthe 30, I have an don't.
I like things just the way Ilike them.
I don't like to go out of mycomfort zone, but as far as like
things I have coming, I'mworking on doing a few different
things.
So I'm going to be doing kindof like similar to.

(01:01:02):
I've been talking to a lot ofpodcast guys Bash, justin Bash.
He kind of like gave me someguidance of like different
things, like graphics, becauseI've noticed that, like if I put
a tweet out, I could put atweet out that says date and fix
wins via tech fall and that'sgoing to get some good traction.
It's going to get 36 likes,something like that.
But if I put a graphic with it,even if it's just a simple

(01:01:24):
picture that I just grabbed offthe Internet, it gets more
traction because it's visuallyappealing to them.
So I've noticed that, so he'sgiven me that, so I actually
have that.
I actually did that last night.
I've we've been real bad snowhere, like six to eight inches,
so we haven't been, obviouslybecause I do pest control, so I
can't really get out and workmuch this week yeah, pests don't

(01:01:45):
really go around much in thesnow either, so you're good yeah
, yeah, exactly yeah ain't muchspiders and stuff outside, you
know the big reset button reallyso I got the graphics.
Um, I got that up and running.
I literally just will have to.
I got everything ready for that.
I'll literally just have to addwhatever the writing may be

(01:02:07):
like whoever wins, how they wonand then I'll add a picture to
it.
So I'm really excited for thatto be happening.
The first time I'll probablyget to use that is when Dayton
and Zahid go to Croatia at thebeginning of February for that
ranking tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Was that Zagreb or something like that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
I think so.
Yeah, I think so.
Zagreb, yeah, nice.
So I'm looking forward todropping that.
And then I've also been workingon apparel shirts, sweat shirts
.
I already shout out to Joeagain.
I was asking him like, hey man,like what do you think the best
way to do this is?
And he's like don't go buyshirts in bulk.
And I'm like OK, I had a buddy,I had a buddy KP.

(01:02:44):
He told me the same thing.
He's like I did it for work.
He's like, and it justbackfired on me, he's like now
you're gonna be doing it, likeyou know, for people.
And he's like you'll get weirdsizes and that's what joe told
me too, you'll get.
You'll get like you'll run outof the what you need and you'll
have just a whole bunch ofsurplus of what you don't need.
And I was like okay, that makessense yeah.
So I got that.
Um, I actually gonna beordering one of the shirts

(01:03:06):
because, like, once you set itup, they'll send you sample
shirts, because the one place Iwas doing it here it was going
to be hard, especially if youdon't go to the actual duels for
anybody out of the state.
I didn't really know how I wasgoing to continually be able to
send it out to them.
Obviously, I can go to UPS orwhatever every day, but that can
be difficult if I get a biggerrequest form than I anticipate.

(01:03:27):
So I got that going.
That should be dropping.
I don't know if it's going tobe this month or not.
I'm kind of like, cause I'm I'mkind of feeling that situation
out, but I'm looking forward todoing that.
And then the YouTube is still apossibility, like doing this
right here.
This helps, I'm going to bedoing that, that Oklahoma state
podcast, this all sports one.

(01:03:48):
I'll be doing that one tomorrow.
So these opportunities help me,help me get more comfortable
with it, to help me kind of fillthe process out.
So really it's endless.
I mean I want to do interviews.
I mean eventually I would liketo get David on here.
That's a big ask, I know, butyou know, I mean I've already
started the connection with him.
You know what I mean.
And going back real quick towhat you said about the Penn,

(01:04:09):
like being Penn State inOklahoma State, if you'd have
told me a few years ago, hey,john Smith's going to retire, I
probably would have laughedbecause that's the only coach
I've ever known.
And then, second, I would havesaid, okay, well, who's the
coach?
And you would have said, oh, aPenn State and an Iowa Hawkeye.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I would have said, okay, as soon as Gilbert went to
Penn State, I wrote him off.
I wrote him off, he went toPenn State.
I was like you're dead to me,you are dead.
That's the fun part.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
We have fun with that right, the day he got announced
, everybody dropped that onevideo of him.
They're like what are you doing?
He's like you don't turn yourback to these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Yeah, yeah yeah, I'll sit sideways.
You never know, they might comebehind you and try to take out
your legs or something you don'tknow.
This dude's crazy.
He's right there on live camera.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
They're going to take your knees out, but he's such a
cool guy.
That's another one of thoseguys that I got to see him at
the tailgate, but he was holdinghis baby and I'm super
respectful.
I have young children mydaughters are four and two and
so I did not approach him.
I did not.
Later on, at the tailgate hecame by again.

(01:05:15):
I was like hey, I was like Iwanted to talk to you earlier.
I was like but you had yourdaughter, you know, I was like I
didn't want to, you know,invade your guys' private space.
And he's like hey, he's likehey, thank you for that.
And I was like not a problem,you know, I just wanted to
myself.
I'm the low single.
Everybody like chin drops, likeyou're the low single.
Because for the longest time Ithink people thought I was like
a burner account.
I had somebody message me likeI know you're chris perry.

(01:05:37):
I'm like bro, what?
Like yeah, no, not chris perry.
Like what?
Because even sometimes I waslike dropping.
I was saying things like whenchristian carroll first hit the
portal, I was like oh, soundslike he's gonna go to iowa state
.
That was the one thing I kindof hinted at earlier, that like
I said that that christiancarroll was gonna go to like
soon as he hit the portal.
I said that because that was,that was what I was told.

(01:05:57):
Okay, he's probably gonna gothere because they want to have
chris perry over there.
I dropped that.
Bro.
So many people like you're aliar.
Don't bad mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
You know like good and that's the other thing too,
like when you know that you havecorrect information, don't let
someone else bully you intotelling you that it's wrong.
Right, yeah, it's, because theyeither a they didn't come out
with it first, or, b they thinkit's disrespectful that a lot of
times there is certaininformation you shouldn't come
out with, but 19 out of 10, whensomeone's just transferring,

(01:06:27):
unless you're saying they'retransferring because there's not
enough cocaine at theuniversity, I mean that's,
that's an idiotic statement,right.
But if you're saying he'stransferring, I think he's, I
think he's going here.
Dude, that's reckless.
Shut up.
Take your comment somewhereelse.
I was just saying I wasspeculating.
He's going somewhere.
Yeah, so many people, and thisis the thing.
So I got into it.
The little thing that I andthis is wasn't about saying

(01:06:48):
someone was something, but likeaaron rogers was all over the
internet.
It was just replays of himthrowing bombs right like just
throwing hail marys to end zones.
Everybody's like, oh, aaronrogers, the greatest quarterback
on the planet, and I'm like,hey, what about the receiver
catching it in the end zone?
What about that dude that justjumped up three feet in the air
around another seven other guys?

(01:07:09):
and caught the ball.
What are you saying?
Aaron's not, not, not a goodenough quarterback.
I'm like, no, I'm not sayingthat.
Well, because I didn't play inthe nfl.
Now I can't make a commentabout people just dropping their
jaw over aaron rogers, get outof here.
I played semi-pro soccer, sothat to me that's enough.
I can, I can piss and moanabout all the shit I want, but
because you say something thatthey didn't like or they thought
was disrespectful but you knowis true, because you confirm, I

(01:07:32):
ignore those people just andjust like you've been doing,
completely ignore them.
Because they're just upsetbecause someone said something
that they didn't like or thatthey wouldn't have said I'm not,
you piss off, go over there anddo your thing.
That's great.
And again, it was, it was, itwas something like it, like you.
Oh, I think he's going here.
Harm, where's the harm?
Calm?

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
down.
Yeah, there was no harm, nofolks.
He went into the portal like hewas allowed to.
You know what I'm saying therewas nothing sketchy about it.
I didn't say, hey, they tamperedhim.
I just said, hey, sounds likehe's going there with a former
coach.
And then even some peoplejumped on there was like how
dare you say he's leaving withcoleman?
I'm like, well, that's not thecoach I'm even talking about.
But okay, like again, I'm notarguing with you, I just I put

(01:08:14):
it out there, you consume it,you chew it up, you, you, you
know you have it, you, you takeit however you want to take it.
But there was not, like yousaid, nothing malicious, just
saying, hey, this is what I'mhearing.
Like I said this that page isfor the people, by the people.
I'm not going to post anythingthat's going to harm anybody,
but saying, hey, he sounds likehe's going here with this guy,
that didn't harm nobody at allCalm down.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Calm down, man.
So you got some good stuffcoming up in the future, man,
yeah, I know that there'sobviously always going to be a
lot of stuff going in, obviouslyduring the season, but do you
plan on doing any?
Are you going to talk aboutguys in the offseason too, when
they're wrestling that, becauseyou're talking about zag grab
things like that?
So you're going to continuethat coverage kind of in the
offseason too?

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
yeah, I actually really hope I can really dive
into some more of the stuff thatI want to do during the
offseason um, like interviewsand stuff with some of the guys,
because I've had some guysreach out I've reached out to
some guys too and, um, they wantto do stuff but, like I was
telling you before, I kind ofwant to do stuff but, like I was
telling you before, I kind ofwant to keep the season.
One of my favorite sayings iskeeping the main thing, the main
thing.
So, the main thing for themright now is season.

(01:09:17):
I don't want to get them on.
I don't want them to sayanything that they shouldn't say
you know, or this or that.
I want to keep it somewherewhere they can feel safe.
But they can also come on hereand just shoot the shit and
we're just sitting here talkingyou know what I'm saying.
Like I may have somebody fromthe team on, but we may sit
there and talk for an hour about, you know, a hobby that we both

(01:09:37):
had, that we just, you know,found out during that episode.
So I'm definitely lookingforward to like branching out
and doing some more stuff withthe team.
Um, hopefully, obviously, thisis all just my what I'm aspiring
.
Uh, like I said, I'd hope toeventually have David on here.
I'd like to have all thecoaches on here.
I mean, I have some pretty goodconversations or interactions
with some guys, like David'scameraman, cameraman Dan.

(01:10:01):
He's so cool, he's probably oneof the coolest dudes.
When I first told him, when Imet him, and I'm like, hey, I'm
the low single, his chin likedropped, he's like no way.
And I was like I was like yeah,bro, so he's like one of my
favorite guys.
I didn't know him before.
Obviously he's one of myfavorite guys.
I'd like to have gilman on.
Obviously we share a name.
We're both named comments.
So that's a we're brothers,brothers from another mother.

(01:10:22):
He don't even know it.
Yeah, even though he's a hotguy, we'll take it yeah but,
like pierce, all I really enjoyhim.
He's been been good to me.
You know, if he sees me he'lltalk to me.
He always shake my hand, evensome guys in the office.
You know, if I could getsomebody from the office I got a
couple of buddies in the officeover there.
If I could get them on there,I'd like to have the AD.

(01:10:42):
You know, like I want to dostuff that's like Dynasty
Defined.
He has his thing.
I'd like to.
I'd like for us to coexist inthe same thing, but we offer
completely different, uh,content.
So that's what I'm kind of likereally working on.
Like I was doing like the, thematches and stuff, but like
that's really his thing.
So I was like, well, I'll justlet him keep doing that, let him
have that.
You know we'll not let him haveit, but he's already doing it,

(01:11:04):
he's already been doing it, sojust let that continue to be
like that.
And I'm just trying to find myway through this.
So, yeah, the possibilities arekind of endless for me.
You know, like, hopefully bythe summertime or like by the
off season time.
I mean I'm doing like YouTubes.
I would love to be on YouTuberunning full time on there, I
still want to do podcasts, likeobviously I can upload the audio
and stuff like that but, Ireally want to get on YouTube.

(01:11:29):
I really do Cause, like, rightnow, this is this.
I like this man.
I really want to get on YouTube.
I really do Cause, like, rightnow, this is this.
I like this man, I likeplugging in, but I like to like,
during the season, I want tolike possibly keep it to just me
Now, obviously, obviouslythings can change, but I have
like some buddies that want toget on and I'm always down for
that.
Maybe like for a big episode,for like big 12 or something
like that.
I can get us all together.
But it's really hard to geteverybody, like right now, even
correlate and, like me and youset in time to do it was a

(01:11:51):
little bit more difficult for me, I mean, it's difficult for
everybody.
So, like, having four of us waseven more difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
But I'm trying to do referees, referees round table
together and that's like four orfive different referees.
Impossible, dude Impossible.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Yeah.
So that's one thing is likeI've had people suggest that
like why don't you have somebodyon with you?
And I'm like, well, but then Igot to work around somebody
else's schedule too andsometimes it doesn't all line up
.
And then sometimes you getsomebody who's like, oh yeah, I
want to be a part of this.
But then they realize hey,either A, they don't have the
passion for it to do it week byweek's room.
Shut the door.
Tell my kids like, hey, give me40 minutes, please Give me 40

(01:12:33):
minutes.
Tell my youngest, please don'tbully your older sister, because
my kids, bro, they're big intowrestling.
Both my kids will say likebottom end set.
If I say bottom end set,they'll say top man cover and
wrestle.
My youngest will wrestle herNinja Turtles, anything she's
got Like my youngest willwrestle her ninja turtles,
anything she's got.
Like my youngest she's likeinto like all the boy stuff,

(01:12:54):
dinosaurs, but anything.
It doesn't matter if she's gotany two anythings, even if it's
like two cups, she's wrestlingthem.
So I'm excited for their, fortheir future, and I and you know
like that's another thing toois like I want to have, uh, this
is like a little bit, a littlebit of breaking, but I'm gonna
eventually have, like thewomen's uh club coach, the head
coach, uh Isaac, who obviouslywrestled for us last year.

(01:13:14):
I'm going to have him on one ofthese shows here soon too,
because I want him to explaineverything that's cowgirl
wrestling, because it may be aclub, but with the right
sponsorship and the rightsupport it can be successful.
Or at least you know just like,continue to have support.
In 10 years, when it's time formy girls to go, where am I?

(01:13:36):
I'm not sending them to Iowa.
I'll tell you that now, mike.
Let me tell you right now.
My daughters better never tellme like, yeah, I want to wrestle
for Iowa.
This is not in this house, notin this house.
So you can go be a mountainhawk.
We can go to Lehigh.
We can figure something outlike that.
We don't speak like that.

(01:13:58):
That is blasphemy.
We don't do that in this house.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Go with soap right now, wash yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Dad, I want to go to Iowa.
Honey, get your kid, that isyour kid.
Get that girl.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Wash her mouth out with soap, like we ain't doing
that you're walking to schoolfrom now on, that's it walking,
I get it, I get it.
You know, that's funny, you,you mentioned that because I
mean I obviously liam was aroundiowa wrestling like forever,
right, forever.
I mean that's all my.
My podcast logo is black andgold, dirt to dirt, right.
Yeah, don't worry, I changed it.

(01:14:34):
I just haven't changed this oneyet, but uh, the the the thing
was, you know, I, I was like mykid's gonna be a hawkeye, right,
I can't wait for my kid to goto college.
It's gonna be a hawkeye.
Yeah, you can even take a visit.
You didn't even go on the visit.
He got through.
He got through north dakotastate, indiana, and we went to
virginia.
As soon as he left virginia,he's like I'm not even making

(01:14:56):
the iowa trip, I'm going herelike dude, you're making the
iowa trip.
He goes.
I don't want to, he's like.
He's like this is perfectly,this is like perfect, like it's
not.
He doesn't want to be in thecold.
That's the problem with him.
I was like like, okay, cool, Iget it.
So you find whatever you likeI'm going to be a fan of
wherever you go, right, I don'tcare where it is.
But then I realized that thePaulson's, the Paulson twins,

(01:15:19):
the Paulson brothers, were there.
I was like, whoa, wait a minute, we got Iowa history here, iowa
state nonetheless.
But Iowa history here, I waslike, was like, oh, forget about
.
It sold as soon as we startedtalking to trent.
It was like game over, gameover.
The midwest mentality was there?
All that stuff?
It was just like being, it was.
I told liam.
I was like if there's anybodythat's for you, it's trent

(01:15:40):
paulson.
The rest of the guys are great,right, I love ian parker, all
those guys.
But like I was not expecting tobe switching over to blue and
orange, that's for sure.
At least there's some orange init where I can get a little bit
of kakana left in it.
Yeah, yeah, you know.
No, no, oklahoma state, none ofthat.
No, it's cavaliers, strictlycavaliers.
So I think that would be kindof fun if you and I because it's

(01:16:01):
acc and you and I kind of andyou're big 12 we kind of get on
once in a while.
Can I talk some trash abouteverybody that's got stuff going
on kind of back and forth andhave some fun with it, but I
think that's the best thing thatall this brings right what
you're doing.
You are obviously we have thebrain here.
Let me explain to you.
If you haven't yet, you can golisten, especially if you want
to listen about Kellum Wolbert,your future opening state guy

(01:16:26):
that's my guy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Shout out to him and his pops.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
That's right.
We just saw those guys at thecheese sack Good, good people
and um Wisconsin wrestlerpodcast.
Now, those guys are brains.
Those guys, they know everysectional, they know everything.
There are so many teams in thisfucking state, dude.
There's certain ones that I'dnever even heard of.
These guys know all of it.
So if you want Wisconsinwrestling like, we got the

(01:16:50):
numbers guys here too.
Like these guys are off thecharts.
Unfortunately, wisconsingrappler only does podcasts with
me.
He doesn't do his own.
He's not tech savvy, right,he's not tech savvy.
But we're bringing all thiscool shit to the table.
We're bringing all this stuffthat you can consume.
You can listen to it'sinformation, or it's, or it's
information or it's or it's justa, a, a synopsis of a duel

(01:17:11):
thing, things like that.
So I commend you for jumping ondude.
I think it's.
I think it's a good time to bein wrestling.
We need to enjoy it while wecan, and I'll keep saying it
until I'm dead Stop subscribingand start showing up.
Go to the duels.
I don't care if it's down theroad.
I have been, I I've been, I'velied and I've been bad and I
haven't gone to just, you know,like the UW Oshkosh ones, they

(01:17:31):
usually have some pretty goodduels.
I go, please, please, people Ifthere's any, if any of you
Oklahoma state people arelistening to go to every duel
that you can.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
If you can, please go to Oklahoma.
Please help everybody.
Just help everybody.
Show up to a duel, pay the feeto get in, I don't care what it
is, stop subscribing and startgoing.
If you can't get there,obviously subscribe and watch,
that way you can enjoy it.
But get to these places, startshowing up like he's doing.
Go, go up and watch, be there,be the, be the fan.

(01:18:02):
You don't have to be a fanatic,just go to enjoy it.
Take your kids there, causeguess what going to remember
that shit?
Yeah, they're definitely goingto remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
For sure that's how it was for me, my mom, when my
mom made it a way for me to go,like my mom was a single mom
just raising me and my sister,you know, and when she made it a
way for me to go, when she,when she put, like, without that
, without that, who knows if I'meven an Oklahoma state fan, you
know, for for life, or if I'mstill, you know, I mean Oklahoma
State.
So it's kind of hard to saythat, but you know, like without

(01:18:30):
her making that way for me togo, you know, watching it on TV
is one thing, but being there,because that was a bedlam duel,
so it was, it was electric, youknow, like that place was packed
, I mean because we were apretty good team.
Then, you know, because we had,we had quite a few guys.
I mean, of course we had Jordan, but we had some other guys.
I mean I believe Chris Perrywas still there at that time

(01:18:51):
wrestling.
So, like you know, we had someguys that were competing, I
think.
So I can't remember exactly.
Jordan was my favorite,obviously, because like I'm
mixed, so like he looked like me, you know.
So like I see all these guysLike Jared Russell, I mean, I
can't remember, but becausethere's two of the three of the
brothers went there, but the onethat was the heavyweight, he

(01:19:13):
like he was kind of he's likebig country boy and I'm like, ok
, yeah, that looks like myuncles.
And I'm like, oh, jordan Oliver, ok, he looks like me.
You know, that's that's who Iconnected with.
So, yeah, not going to be ableto make it out.
Like I said, roads are prettybad here.
I go two hours for every duel,so I drive two hours when I go

(01:19:37):
to the home duels.
Holy shit, dude.
Yeah, I know, I think that's alittle bit too why David was
like, dude, you make that trip.
Every time.
I'm like, yeah, of course I'mdedicated, like I do that, like
I get off when it's a decent day, like I get off work like three
o'clock head out there so I canget there by five.
Cause I, if I'm going, I wantto tailgate, you know, I want
that experience, and then I wantto go, you know, then I want to

(01:19:58):
go inside.
So if I'm not, like I give mytickets away, I don't charge
people for them because I don'twant that Like, cause there's
some, there's a single mom or asingle dad, or a brother that
wants to take his sister, orbrothers that want to go, but
they don't have the means tomake it.
And even though the dual is 10,12 bucks to get in per ticket,

(01:20:20):
if I can get you a little bitdown into a reserved season
ticket seat, I'll do that foryou every time and I don't
expect anything in return,because that's just not who I am
.
Like I said, because my mom madethat possibility for me, I like
to, you know, pay that forwardand make a possibility for
someone else.
So if you're listening to thisand you don't got tickets, let
me know, cause I'm alwaysgetting.
I'm always getting like, notfree tickets, I'm not getting

(01:20:41):
them from the university, but alot of other people fans are
like that too Like hey, we can'tmake it, but we just want to
give our, give our tickets towhoever can go.
So, psa, if you're looking fortickets and you want to go, let
me know.
I can get you in the buildingfor sure yeah, yeah, definitely
hit them up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
If you guys are in the oklahoma area, I don't care.
I don't care what fan you arego watch wrestling.
I don't care.
At some point the rivalry iscool, but at some point the
sport needs to get a little morerecognition, because we don't
want it to disappear.
So go, go, um, I'm still tryingto figure out how to
logistically make the drive tovirginia every duel yeah, that's

(01:21:16):
gonna be, that's gonna be crazy16 hours I actually went to
virginia for the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Um, in june I went out there for work.
They flew me out there, theypaid for me to be out there for
like 10 days and work uh, firsttime ever being out there, yeah,
it was, I was.
I stayed like right by olddominion, right by old nice yeah
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
So we were in charlottesville, obviously for
the visit, and I was blown away.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
I was like man, this is awesome up here yeah the only
thing is beautiful country yeah, but when it's like a hot day,
that humidity is rough, and I'ma big gross yeah, I was out
there sweating 210 right here,man, you ain't joking.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
This fat and I used to work construction, this fat
guy hates heat.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
I'm telling you that much right now I did concrete
five feet of snow I know there'sno, yeah, I'd rather be hot
than cold.
The cold is awful because atleast in the hot I it's.
It's miserable, but you canmove around.
You can still my birthday's inthe summer too, you can still
move around.
But yeah, right now the cold,that's what I'm saying.
Sunday I'm probably not goingto go out there, because it's
just.
I mean, the roads are alreadybad.

(01:22:18):
We had rain and sleet and thenthe snow came over the top, so
it's just not really safe.
Because when I go.
I usually break the whole familyout there on weekends, unless
it's's if it's like a thursdayor friday duel, then I was just
going there and coming back.
But weekends I like to take thewhole family out there.
You know, we usually get likean airbnb just enjoy the time,
like so when I'm going out there, like I'm putting a lot of

(01:22:38):
money just to go to one duel orwhatever it may be, you know so
yeah, and you're not even awrestling parent.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
That's amazing yeah that is absolutely amazing, dude
.
If I could, there was.
There was something thatsomeone brought up back in the
day.
They're like, if there's onething that I could tell you to
not do, that I did.
They said don't ever sit downand do the math of how much you
spent in wrestling for your kid.
And we're talking like what wedo, going to North Carolina's,
going to US Opens, all thatstuff Because then she said how

(01:23:05):
much she spent.
I know for a fact we go to like20 times more than what they do
and I almost passed out andthrew up at the same time.
This is ridiculous.
So it's it's really cool againthat my voice is getting weird,
but it's really cool again tosee that you're bringing that
back to something that you, youknow, that you saw, and that's
why I think it's important thatthese people do the same thing.

(01:23:28):
You know the, the fans that are.
They're like oh, we lovewrestling.
Well, now show it.
Now is the time where we needto show it.
So that's cool that you'repaying it forward with the
tickets and knowing that someoneelse would be able to get their
kids, or that's.
That's really cool.
You're better human being thanI am, so that's as far as that
goes.
That's that's the way to goabout it.
But again, I mean honestly, Ithink everybody, if, if we're

(01:23:49):
you know whether it's Minio orit's Willie or someone, I think
we all should be doing that, ifwe have the availability to put
that out there for someone.
I think it's borderline ourresponsibility to advocate for
the sport as much as possible,doing as much as we can.
But I commend you.
I want to talk to you for alittle bit after we're done here

(01:24:09):
.
We've been going for about anhour and 24 minutes.
I said we've done a.
We've been going for about anhour and 24 minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
I said we've done three hour podcasts but not
everybody's got three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
It's very Joe Rogan and that's kind of how I wanted
it to be is.
I don't want it to be scripted.
I don't want to.
There's one guy that triedtelling me I should ask certain
questions.
I was like deleted.
I'm going to do my show, bro.
That's not how we're doing this.
Yeah, people, stay tuned, checkthem out.
You got your own website.
What's the website called?

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Just if you tune into it, I'll share it on my Twitter
right now, because I don't knowthe URL to it right off the top
of my head.
It's only been up for like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Is it the low singlecom or something like
that's tied to like if you typethat in or no?

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
no, I think it's like yeah it's like a long URL.
It's like the dash, low dashsingle.
If you just go to the lowsingle like on my Twitter page,
add a low single.
It's right in my bio, you canclick it.
It leads you right to there.
It leads you to the podcast,leads you to the podcast, leads
you eventually will have theshirt link there when that drops

(01:25:12):
.
Once I, like I said I want toget that sample back first and
make sure it's what I wantbefore.
I don't want to like set it upand then people start getting
shirts and like dude, what theheck is this?
And I'm like I don't know, Idon't even know, and so I didn't
like that's not me.
I want to own the shirt too,since it's not gonna be the
place I'm going through normally, uh.
But yeah, if you just tune intouh to at the low single, um,

(01:25:32):
that'll give you everything.
It'll lead you to everything Igot will lead you to the website
, will lead you to everythingyeah, you're on twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
You're on instagram.
Are you on facebook?

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
nope, no facebook.
Uh, that's I literally I didn'teven have instagram I didn't
even have instagram until like acouple months ago and then,
like my buddy was like dude, youneed to have it like it's.
It's good for content.
I'm like it is all right, well,yeah, so yeah I'm not really a
social media guy well, that'sthe big thing too, like,
especially with us.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Like you know, I'm not a, because justin justin
bash, he builds websites.
I mean, he's on his computerall day so he's able to build
graphics whenever he wants to,and I know the one that he uses
is like pre-built, so he's justgoing to stick a new photo in it
, add some new letters, all thatother stuff.
But that's, that's a lot of.
What we do is just kind ofregurgitate, right, we're we're
regurgitating something that wesaw and we feel like it was good

(01:26:20):
for you to see and we're justputting it back out there in
case you didn't see it.
Kind of thing, right, and I doa lot of the graphics myself,
like the stuff you know that Iput out just announcing the show
with you.
It's all I.
I mean I've been dealing withphotoshop and and all that adobe
forever, so it just kind ofwent hand in hand with what I do
now.
Am I out there streamingcontent and making videos?
Not yet would I like to, yeah,but again, like you said, I

(01:26:42):
don't like going into somethinghalf-assed.
I want a whole ass, right forsure, so full my whole ass
that's right, you're gettingright, I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
I'm talking about Mike Tyson on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
I want to go shit on the planet.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
What's crazy is that.
What's crazy is you could tellthe people that weren't fans of
Mike Tyson or never really heardof him, cause they're like, oh
my God, like that's not evenwild, like y'all clearly never
seen an interview with him, likewhere you been, god.
Like that's not even wild, Likey'all clearly never seen an
interview with him.
Like where have you been?
Yeah His face.
He told a dude he would havesex with him.
Like why he's interviewing him.
Like I don't think butt cheeksout is like that's mild, he's in

(01:27:22):
his 56.
He's like he's chilling now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Yeah, he don't care, zero F's given on that guy,
that's for sure.
But go check them out.
We'll make sure we put thelinks for everything you got to
within the description onYouTube and stuff like that,
once we get it out.
But we again, we congratulateyou and we're going to cut off
cause we want to talk to you fora second.
But everybody, we're gonna letyou go.
This has been another visionquest podcast episode and we've
been talking with the low man,sir Appreciate you joining us

(01:27:48):
and, uh, tell the folks, um, youknow out in Oklahoma state land
that, um, virginia is comingfor you, you know.
So it's going to say that I'mjust going to put that out in
the open space and I'm suresomeone's be like that guy's an
idiot.
But that's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
I got confidence in my Cavaliers man done.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Fight now.
All right, all right, man,peace, we are gonna get out of
here, roll some music before Iget myself fired.
See you guys.

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