Episode #114: Sed Hay All Day....Nuff Said

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SPEAKER_03 (00:37):
And we're live.
We are live, man.
Oh my god, it's been forever.
Um almost yeah, a couple couplemonths.
I took a break.
I'm working in the basement.
Um, we did we I'm just just beenkind of busy.
So uh we we wanted to jump in uhbecause we went through the
recruiting process with Liam andwe've listened to some other

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dads, and and plus we're kind ofclose with this guy, we've known
him forever.
Uh son's a great wrestler, uhMaximus Hay.
If you haven't heard of thisdude, go on Facebook and check
out his page, said hey all day.
You will not be disappointedwhatsoever.
So we are joined by none otherthan Coach Cedric Hay.
If you don't know him, you'regonna because we're talking

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about him.
So how you doing, said how youdoing, man?

SPEAKER_00 (01:20):
Man, I'm doing great, man.
Appreciate you having me on,brother.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24):
Yeah, it's been a while.
I wanted to get you on.
I mean, you're you're you areyou're entertaining to watch,
dude.
You're funny as hell when you'retalking and you speak the truth,
and I like that, and that's kindof where at.
If I sound weird, guys, usuallyI'm in the basement.
I it's a little echoey in here,but I'm doing what I can,
working it out.
So uh, hope you guys appreciatethe show.

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So, sad, I I did bring you onbecause you know, we we all have
gone through part of arecruitment process, right?
Um, talking about things thatyou know we've been through and
maybe things that we've heard,the things like that.
We're gonna talk about so muchmore, too.
But I kind of want to get downto who you are first.
So, uh, thank you very much,you're a veteran.
Appreciate everything thatyou've done and everything that
you sacrificed in your time withthe military.

(02:07):
Appreciate that.
Number one, number two, that'snot who you are.
Let's talk about where you camefrom.
Where are you from?
I don't even know that, dude.

SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
I'm from uh Milwaukee, Wisconsin, dude.
Uh born and raised in Milwaukee,man.
Uh went to went went to uhCuster High School.
Crazy story.
Somebody just got shot overthere.
Oh my god, literally down thestreet.
If you saw it in the news,right?

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It's crazy, right?
Um I know it's laughing, butit's crazy, right?
They go think they go they'regonna cancel us already, bro.
They go, yeah, they're about tocancel us already.
But I'm from Milwaukee,Wisconsin, dude.
Uh born and raised, mom fromChicago, dad from uh Chicago,
dude.
And and and yeah.

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Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (02:57):
Where did you go to high school?

SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
I went to uh Custer High School.
Uh now it's uh to round 2004 to2007.
Yeah, uh it's Barack Obamaschool now.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah, okay, okay.
Well, he bought a school.
Nice.
I I know, right?

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And he was horrible president.
Oh my god, did I just say that?
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 (03:25):
I'm sorry.
Don't hurt anybody's feelings,please.
There's super.

SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
I'm sorry, leftists, if I hurt your feelings.
Horrible president, but uh yeah,it's called the Barack Obama
school.
I don't know why, but uh uhCuster High School, dude.
We was uh Ben Toms and um RogerQuinn Dale, which was a county
supervisor, dude.
We was competitive in highschool.
We wrestled against Rapids,Kankana, we wrestled against all

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these top-level schools in inhigh school around this time.

SPEAKER_03 (03:55):
Okay, all right.
Um, we are gonna have uh a chatup, so it looks like we have
some people.
Why is he wearing that damn hat?
Worst cowboy hat ever.

SPEAKER_00 (04:05):
Oh my god, come on now.
I'm gonna put that up.
You see this right here?
It's that Cody James.
That's I got a stance in too.
Damn it, Monty.
Monty be hating all the time.
Oh I love Monty.

SPEAKER_03 (04:21):
I know he's good, dude.
I hope you guys are seeing thisall right because I look choppy
to myself, but so does themusic.
It's just crazy.
Like, I'm not used to everythingagain.
It's just it's just new.
I'm gonna I'm gonna leave thatalone.
So, did you wrestle in highschool?

SPEAKER_00 (04:33):
Yeah, I I started wrestling my freshman year, high
school.
Um, I got kicked off the team myjunior year, and I made a state
my senior year.

SPEAKER_03 (04:44):
Made a statement.
What'd you get kicked off for?
Any and he can you tell us why?

SPEAKER_00 (04:49):
Uh so I wound up losing in the conference um uh
uh around the conference title,and uh I got so mad I started
punching doors and windows, andthe police got called.
And when the police got called,they uh my ad said, uh, you're

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not allowed to wrestle for foruh sectional regionals.
And I was like, Well, why?
You know, I didn't I didn'tthink that, but so but then my
senior year one I'm making thisstatement.

SPEAKER_03 (05:25):
Nice, nice, all right.
Well, that's I that's kind ofwhat I was looking for.
Just a little bit of backgroundon here because I yeah, so that
that's the big thing that we'vealways kind of done on here is
we spend a lot of time talkingabout the person that we're
with, right?
And we kind of dig in a littlebit, especially with the
athletes.
But there's i you and I arewe're we're dudes now, right?
We're dads, we're yeah, I'm adude, right?

unknown (05:46):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (05:47):
So we've been spending a lot of time getting
our kids better, right?
Better human beings, betterwrestlers, better competitors,
and the work we've put in andand the work that they've put in
is starting to pay off, right?
They're the things that they'vewanted to try and reach that
they're kind they're kind ofgetting there.
Um, what when you I'll tell youthis much, I'll put it in my

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perspective.
When I had kids, I wasn't readyto have kids, right?
I was not ready at all.
Um I got married at I gotmarried at 18.
I did not, I was not that wasnot.
I was I was so far from thinkingabout marriage at that point, I
think I don't even think I wasin the state of Wisconsin at
that point.
I was chasing Labradorretrievers in the woods, and

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that's all I was doing.
So I was just making surethey're fetching birds.
Yeah, so I got some time, man.
But I I'll tell you when Brycewas born, I didn't realize that
I was gonna go into thiswrestling world, right?
I had I had this uh Hoshgoshdoor Spartans um old old duffel
bag.
We're talking old ones where itwas green and gold, all green,
and then it was gold capped onthe end with or the yellow

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fabric on the ends, right?
Green handles.
And we lived in Oshgosh, but weopened and rolled the boys to
Nina because we both worked inNina, it was just easier, right?
Yeah, and I was like, you know,we kind of were like, Well,
let's get him in something, justyou know, be active, things like
that.
And I wound up putting Bryceinto wrestling.
Well, I'm walking through NinaHigh School with Bryce is your
own partner, right?

(07:13):
Yes, he's 22.
Yep, Bryce's mom.
22, yep, 22.
And I walked through that highschool with that backpack, and I
sat there thinking about mybrother's wrestling team because
my wrestling team that I was onwas terrible, but I loved
watching my brother's wrestlingteam, so I always kind of
thought about that.
I was like, you know what?
If anybody wants to come at me,I'm hitting them with this bag
right outside that.
No one did, it didn't happen,but I had that in my mind.

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So Bryce, Bryce, he liked thesport, things you know.
With yeah, I Bryce's uhobviously with someone else, but
she wasn't into it, so shedidn't take him as much.
Well, time goes on, and I meetmy wife Christina, and we wind
up having a child, also.
And well, Liam had a differentstory.
Liam kind of got into sometrouble, right?
And at preschool, and want topunch the kid, right?

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In preschool, preschool, he gotin trouble in preschool,
preschool, almost mean he's likewhat like four five.
Yeah, yeah, about four, four,five.
I wasn't teaching my kids tojust hang out and be you know,
buddy buddy.
When you're breaking rules, youteach kids that they're breaking
rules, you know.
That's what happens.
So Liam Liam, what there's akid, he he's a rules kid.

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He's but don't don't be twistedif he's playing dodgeball, he's
gonna twist those rules to makesure he wins.
That's how he does that, right?
Yeah, yeah.
So, but either way, he he got hegot in trouble because this kid
was on the computer for 10minutes.
He kicked Liam off, but Liam waswatching the clock.
He came up, he's like, It's myturn, your time's up.
And the kid goes, No, right inthe face.

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Punched him, yeah.
Pulled him off the chair andsaid it's my turn.
Well, the teacher called us,yeah, that was great.
So Christina's like, we shouldput him in something, you know.
Maybe we do, like, you know,karate or something.
So, you know how still you needto sit for karate?
There's no way a kid this ageneeds to be in karate.
So I have just the sport.
We didn't know how it was gonnawork because we didn't know if
Liam was gonna be, you know,kind of weak or whatever.

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We knew he was hitting, but wedidn't know what he could take.
Well, he wound up wrestling withJacob Herm, like uh Kelly and
Jacob were kind of in the Ninaprogram as well, and he kind of
just kind of took with Jacob,and those guys wrestled like
animals.
I mean, they beat the crap outof each other at five, six years
old, right?
Like they were just yeah, it wasit was rolling around, it was
just crazy wrestling, but it wasfun to watch.

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And I kind of thought, you know,we got something here, but we
didn't know what we knew untilwe got to like 10 or 11, and
we're like, I think he kind oflikes this stuff, you know.
So now your family with withwhat you guys have put together,
I mean, how how did how did didwrestling ever come up with any
of the other kids, like any ofyour daughters and stuff like

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that, too?
I mean, how did this come upwith you putting your kids in
wrestling?

SPEAKER_00 (09:50):
No, so I wrestled in high school, obviously, and uh I
went to the Marine Corps, andwhen I got out in 2014, uh my
coach uh Roger Quindale waslike, dude, I think you should
coach city kids.
I was like, All right, let's doit.
And I had obviously my oldestson Cedric and my youngest son
Max, and then I had my daughtersand whatnot.

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And um we just like um we we wewe just we just I I I enjoy
wrestling because that it was itwas better than football.
And Roger Quindale, right?
County supervisor, and he had umwe put Max in this first

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tournament, and and he Olivia.
Oh my goodness, I got peopleknocking at my door right now.
This is crazy.
So I'm about to so this is allauthentic people right now.
My daughter's about to answerthe door right now.
Nora, please answer the door.
And they they they just gonnainterrupt us right now.

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This is my my niece's name rightnow, and they coming in right
now.
But um we had uh we put them inin uh city kids wrestling, and
I'm trying to tell you it waslike after it was like it was it
was from there, it was likelet's let's do this, let's get
this work in.
And it was it, it was it wasphenomenal.

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Like I enjoyed it, I loved it.

SPEAKER_03 (11:17):
So they took they took to it, it was it was a it
was a thing for them.
They just they just loved it asmuch as you did, I take it.

SPEAKER_00 (11:22):
Yeah, they they loved it because it was tough.
Yep, and I just got out theMarine Corps in 2014, so I was
crazy.
Just did three combatdeployments.
He says was crazy.
Oh my goodness, he said it wasright there three combat
deployments, and I was like,Hey, dude, we need to do
something that's physical, weneed to do something that's

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tough, and I had him going inthere, and crazy.
They they they loved it likeinstantly, they loved it.
It was they just loved it.

SPEAKER_03 (11:55):
So when you when you kind of when you got the kids in
wrestling, I mean you got fourkids, right?
Four, two girls, two boys,right?

SPEAKER_00 (12:01):
No, no, I got five kids.
I got uh I got my oldest son,Cedric.
So I was married, I got marriedin high school when I was uh 19.
So I've been married since about20 years now.
So my oldest son, right?
Cedric, and then I got uh Max,Elaine, Olivia, and Nora.

(12:23):
Damn, you started a wrestlingteam, dude.
Dude, I promise you, I got awrestling team, and then I got
my nephews and my nieces.
So I had about 10 or 15 nephewsand nieces plus my kids.

SPEAKER_03 (12:37):
Damn, wow, okay, okay.
So I mean you it was kind of inyour I mean, I would say in your
family already, so it was justsomething you got.

SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
It was it, it was it was in the DNA already.
I didn't want to do footballbecause it was too soft.
I needed something that was thatwas physical for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 (12:55):
Uh Monty piping in, you know, just just being Monty.

SPEAKER_00 (12:58):
What you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 (13:02):
He said something about talking about badger
wrestling.
How we how we gonna how are wegonna talk about badger
wrestling?
I don't even know how that'sgonna happen.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (13:09):
You know what?
Do do I can I be open to honest?
You that's what this space isfor.
Yeah, open and honest.
Fuck the badger wrestling.
Okay, they didn't want to, okay.
Okay, but we're gonna talk aboutthat later.

SPEAKER_03 (13:21):
Yeah, we'll we'll bring that up in a little bit.
Monty, stay awake.
Uh, maybe take some accedering,it'll cure the headache plus
keep you awake.

SPEAKER_00 (13:29):
Yeah, so we had that.
Then my nephew, my niece, jlNorrington, um, Peyton
Norrington, and LarryNorrington.
JL Norrington was the firststate champ for city kids.
She was a female wrestler, shewon around.
I think her JL, what was yourfirst around like fourth, fifth

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grade?
Yeah, you're around about fifthgrade.
She won a state title as ayouth.
Okay, yes, natural athletes.

SPEAKER_03 (14:01):
I just cut you out.
I just cut you out.
There we go.
Okay, you're back.
That's that that's impressive.
I like that.
I want to know more about theprocess that you kind of like
how as a parent, because notevery single parent's like, I my
kid's gonna go to college andwrestle, right?
Like, so what was what was thefocus of whatever you were doing

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with sports?
Were you looking at any of yourkids and be like, this this
one's going to college, he'sgonna wrestle in college?
Was that ever a thought in yourmind early on, or was it like a
goal?
Because don't get me wrong,parents like you can have that
goal in your mind and still notdrive your kids and be that
parent that's you knowoverpowering, it can still just
be in your brain, right?
It's a wish you have for them.

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But at the same point, though,too, sometimes when you see
that, you have to act on itbecause you don't want them to
squander that opportunity orthat you know, um, the the
skills that they have and theabilities that they have.
So, not to force it on them, butsometimes you know, as a parent,
you could be like, Hey, youknow, you you think you might
want to go to college and playsports, not even say wrestling,
just play sports, you know, kindof edge it a little bit.

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But I get to the point of uhbeing a little too pushy
sometimes.
Like, were were you kind of atthe point where you would take
one to the side and be like, Allright, we can do this?
You're gonna, I think you gotthis.
And then it was just like maybedon't, yeah, right.
You you you have fun with it,and that's what you're gonna do.
And where did you go with eachkid?
Like, how did that the how didthat view for you as a parent
go?

SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
Dude, I was I was a nut.
I was a nutcase, and now I'm noteven gonna lie.
Coming straight out uh out ofthe Marine Corps combat
deployments, fucking killingpeople for a living.
Like, I know that sounds crazyas shit, but uh, can I cuss?
I'm sorry, can I no?
You're good, you're good, man.
Okay, okay, fucking killingpeople for a living.

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That shit was crazy.
I wasn't expecting them to befucking like Olympic champions
or going to D1.
I just wanted them, dude.
I just wanted my my kids and mynephews and my nieces to uh to
learn morals, ethics, andvalues.

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Yeah, that's that that's whatthat was the biggest biggest
thing for me was to to to tolearn those things.
And um when I try to tell you, Iwas I was the crazy parent.
I was the one that was screamingin the stands.
I was the one that that that wassaying, shoot, sprawl, fucking,

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I I I I was that dude.
And as as time went on, Ilearned that it is more of a um
more of a mental more of a um Iwould say uh they they they

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business.
I'm I'm gonna say business, I'mgonna say um if if once you
learn how to wrestle, you learnhow to navigate through life.
Okay, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 (17:16):
Yep, yep.
I I think uh what is the phrase?
Uh what's it saying?
Once you've wrestled, everythingelse is easy, right?

SPEAKER_00 (17:23):
It's it's so much it's so much easier, yeah.
And and I and I and and I wastrying to teach them great
habits, I was trying to teachthem um consistency.
Consistency in wrestling iswhere it's at.

SPEAKER_03 (17:40):
It is, and honestly, to me, I think that like
especially with Liam.
I mean, he was it you couldquote it as a Carrie Colot kind
of thing, where he was like,Nine, I want to go to college
and wrestle, and I want to bethis, that, and the other thing,
right?
And then you look at him belike, All right, you ready for
this thing kind of thing?
Like, oh, here we go.
But it's tough, it's tough,right?

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So when you start deciding toput them in the club and you're
paying$125 a month or whateverit is, um, at whatever club you
go to, someone's gonna be like,Holy crap, you pay that much.
We do because it's worth it,right?
But at the same point, so too,we weren't we didn't we look at
as we looked at it as firstwe're gonna put him in, see how
it goes.
We're gonna put him in and seehow it goes, and it went well.

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Well, okay, he's doing thisgood, and he's just in kind of
like you know, a little clubover here.
Try some tournaments, and we'lldo it for a couple of years.
So he does, and then we get intothe couple of years, and it's
like, wow, he's getting better,and he actually really likes us.
Like, he I put him in soccer, hedidn't even want to be at soccer
practice.

SPEAKER_00 (18:39):
I had I had my kids in soccer, I had Max JL, I had
Elaine Olivia in them doingsoccer, I had him doing
everything.
But wrestling just teach you howto be humans, how to be good
people, how to persevere.

SPEAKER_03 (18:54):
Yep, correct, correct.
And and knowing it, no,obviously, with you being in the
military, I mean, you obviouslyyou were in some harsh shit, saw
some shit that we'll never see,right?
That kind of thing.
And I don't I don't want toequate wrestling to that, but it
when you were in you know themilitary, were you kind of
seeing things in your kids andbe like, This is what it's like,
like this is hard.

SPEAKER_00 (19:12):
Like, no, what I tell people now, I'm an AWA,
right?
I coached in the ninja class,right?
That's Aspen Wrestling Academy.
Well, Aston Wrestling Academy.
I say wrestling is the closestthing to military training.
Really?
Okay, okay.
I swear to God, I promise you,right hand of God, it's it's the
closest thing to militaryreadiness because of you have to

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fight for your life Mondaythrough Monday in wrestling
practice.
Yeah, and in military, you haveto train Monday through Monday,
and this is no days off.
I promise you, it's it's thatwill get you the closest thing
to ready to go.
I don't want to sound crooked,it don't care.

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It gets you ready the closestthing to be combat ready.

SPEAKER_03 (20:03):
Damn, yeah.
And I can't, I and I don't knowwhat's like being in the
military, so I can't equate itto that.
So I will definitely take yourword on it.
It makes sense, but at the samepoint, though, do it just seems
like what you went through mightbe a little tougher, but I
digress, right?
So, yeah, with uh with what youwhat with what you've
experienced, and you know howhard it was, and you obviously
we all want better for our kids,right?

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We're always trying to dosomething so that way they're
the next best thing compared towhat we were.
Don't make mistakes I did.
I'm showing you those kind ofthings.
So as you're going through thatin life, with because now we're
gonna get down to max here,right?
Yeah, as you're kind of gettingto max and coaching them.
And when did you noticesomething with him that it was
gonna be that type of thing?

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Or was it never really a worry?
If it happened, it happened.

SPEAKER_00 (20:49):
No, so I I knew like when we you you get kids that
can just catch on really quick,yeah.
You can teach them one thing andthey can they just get it right
away, right?
I was like, oh, okay, he he hehe he he understands very
quickly, right?

(21:10):
Yeah, and even with my otherkids, they um they understood,
but it was it was more like heunderstood, but he he understood
what was going on, but he hereally like progressed really

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fast.
And I was like, oh, okay, youyou understand, and you can do
the moves.
Don't you know how you got kidsthat you can teach them one
thing, you can teach them asingle leg, and it's like, damn,
you actually you he do it, it'slike man, yeah, you you you
really good at this, right?

(21:54):
With other kids, it might takeuh two to three weeks to
understand how to do a singleleg double off.
I mean, not single leg, but ahigh crotch double off.
And he just understand it's it'sthe process of of your brain of
how it just translates really,really quick.
And I knew that he had it,right?

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I just knew he had it.
And JL and my daughters and him,they had it.
Like it was, it was it was itwas phenomenal.
Like when I try to tell you whenyou teach them something and
they can just pick it up reallyquick, that's how you know they
got it, just athletes.
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 (22:32):
And I I I always kind of look for that.
So I played soccer from likethree until like 2022 or
whatever it was.

SPEAKER_00 (22:38):
Were you pretty good at soccer?

SPEAKER_03 (22:39):
I played semi-pro.
I played from Milwaukee Wave.

SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
Yeah, oh my god, yeah, Max played soccer too,
semi-pro and Milwaukee wave.
No, you went you weren't kind ofgood, you was really good.
Come on now.
Don't don't shoot.

SPEAKER_03 (22:53):
I was all right.

SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
I was right.

SPEAKER_03 (22:54):
I but I that's why I tried to get him in it because I
was like, Man, I could I couldmake this kid a striker, I could
have him scoring goals.

SPEAKER_00 (23:00):
So what what what what was you a uh was you a Ford
or what was in your wallet?

SPEAKER_03 (23:05):
I was a striker, I was a striker.
I like scoring goals.
Okay, so you was out there.
I like hearing your name beingyelled when I score, you know.
I like hearing that.
So I scored a lot.
I I had fun scoring goals, andthat was the whole that was my
job.
That I I mean, other than theother positions and things that
they put you in, but being astriker was my job, and I yeah,
enjoyed scoring goals.

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Um, I didn't, I didn't, I didn'twant to force because of that.
I mean, I'm not like this prodad that like knows pro sports,
but I also wasn't the dad thatwas like, you know, I'm just
gonna kind of take a back seat,you know.
Like if a kid's good enough,they still have to be pushed,
right?
They still have like you have togive them that little nudge that
kind of might push them pasttheir limits a little bit, you

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know.
The craziest parents make thebest athletes.
I'm telling you, I'm tellingyou.
Um because okay, the the crazycraziest, but the parents that
do actually understand, likethey can see that like too much
pressure.
Because trust me, I've seenplenty of parents who are crazy.
The kids definitely take a shitlater on in the year because

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they don't even want to wrestleanymore because dad's nuts,
right?
Yeah, so it it is still it isstill true, though.
Because if you look at some ofthese parents, I mean, okay, and
nothing to nothing againstSpencer Lee's mom, but look how
much she lost her shit when hegot pinned, right?
She broke her glasses, yeah,wound them up like she almost
turned them into peppers, right?
She just crushed them, and I waslike, Whoa, like I've been

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pretty upset when Liam loses,but I don't think I've ever been
that upset, dude.

SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
Just think about this, though.
Just think about this.
Think about Michael Jordan'sson, think about Magic Johnson's
son.
Granted, Magic Johnson's son isa little broke, Ris, but I'm not
gonna say that.
But anywho, think about itthough.
Matt, these parents think thatthe shit just naturally gonna
happen versus the parents thatunderstand the hard work that it

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takes to get their kids to thenext level.

SPEAKER_03 (25:00):
Yep, yep.
And so because I was a soccerplayer, I don't know, like I
don't know wrestling.
Even now, I don't want to coachLiam because it's beyond me,
right?
It's past it's past what I know.
So that's why I tried to help inthe youth program, tried to help
a little bit out in a coupleclubs and help coach and stuff
like that.
Just so I can pick up a littlebit more, just so I can learn
more and smoke it in, you know.
Because I'm gonna coach him.
And number one, I don't want totake my kid to a tournament and

(25:21):
coach him the wrong way.
And he goes back in the room andthe coach is like, What are you
doing?
Oh, my dad showed me this.
Then they're gonna be like,Don't coach your kid anymore.
So I won't.

SPEAKER_00 (25:29):
So I had a dad yesterday, right?
At a practice at AWA.
Yeah, his daughter, uh, I'm notgonna say the name, but he like,
uh, she just like she get thesingle leg and then she like run
forward and do a front row.
I'm like, what the fuck are youdoing?
And I'm talking to her, and shelike, Well, this is what I was
like, nah, that's not how we dothat, but let me explain to you

(25:54):
why.
But no, I hear what you'resaying.

SPEAKER_03 (25:57):
Yeah, it's I so I just got to the point of like
because it's beyond me.
So not only did I want to makesure that he was pushed, but I
also want to make sure that hewas learning.
So I yes, that's the key point.
Learn.
I had I had to start listeningto other people.
I had to start because I'm thisdude, I'm very I have a plan.
That's my wife.
I have a plan, and I am that I'mdoing that.

(26:20):
Whatever's over here doesn'tmatter.
I'm doing that plan, whether youbring distractions in or not.
That's what I'm doing.
Yes, yes.
So I got to a point with himwhere it was just like, okay, so
I'm listening to like I talkedto Jamie Nelson.
I'm sure you've talked to JamieNelson once or twice, as far as
you know, uh tournaments.
He's kind of telling me things,they'll tell me about
tournaments.
I'm like, Oh, what's what's thattournament?

(26:42):
You know, like he's telling meabout super 32s, and he's
telling me about preseasonnationals.
Liam's not even in this stuffyet.
We haven't even done Midwesttour stuff yet, right?
We haven't even touched it.
Yeah, I'm like, I'm not drivingto North Carolina for an
eight-year-old.
No way, not doing it, you know.
So we got to the point of like,okay, what are clubs around here
that'll push them?
You know, we're not.
I'm not gonna lie, what you gotgoing on?

(27:03):
What you doing?
You're you're doing handgestures over there and stuff,
and what do you got going on?

SPEAKER_00 (27:09):
I'm trying to tell her, bring my phone.

SPEAKER_03 (27:13):
Get my phone over here, just just uh just tell her
bring your phone in, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (27:17):
Bring my phone over here, bring my phone over here,
Jay.

SPEAKER_03 (27:20):
So I did I kind of listened and paid attention to,
like, you know, you want to gethim wrestling.
You know, there's these kidsover here.
So we started listening toclubs.
First club we went to, and I'mas much as I don't like a guy,
he was at aviators, right?
That's that's what we saw.
So we took him there.
He gained Keegan, KeeganGenrich, guys.
If you don't get a chance, gowatch Keegan Genrich fight.
Like the guy, if he wouldprobably have stated aviators if

(27:40):
Keegan Genrich was the onlycoach there, like literally.

SPEAKER_00 (27:43):
No, isn't is is the aviator coach still the aviator
coach there?
No, I thought he I thought hemight Jason Kleinschmidt.

SPEAKER_03 (27:50):
Maybe I sorry okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but uh, yeah, I think he'sthere.
I have no idea.
He moved somewhere and then, butwhatever.
But Keegan came back around,he's doing his thing, and uh,
but that I put him in clubs likethat, so then it kind of got to
the point of, and I don't wantto hear people on Twitter and
all this other shit bitchingabout well, you know, you
shouldn't switch clubs, youshouldn't do this.

(28:11):
A lot of parents switch clubsbecause or or have their kids go
to other clubs at the same timeas that other club.
Is yes to get a better partneror different partners, you know,
this guy goes here, you can getthis work.
I don't know a lot of kidsaround by us that are going to
like five, six different clubs,but we had Liam in two clubs at
once.
Uh, he listened to the coacheswell, he learned well.
I usually yeah, but we weren'tand I know I think Ben was

(28:33):
talking about we weren't clubjumping, you know, we weren't
doing like multiple, you know,five different clubs, but um, we
noticed that he was progressinggoing to one club a lot more, so
we zeroed it out.
We went, we started taking himto Askren.
Josh and and Dewey Krieger hadtransformed Liam when it comes
to national type wrestling,right?
Like when it came to beingcompetitive, wrestling hard,

(28:55):
wrestling smart.
Um, you know, Liam still wouldalways get winded because he
didn't want to get in atreadmill or you know, all this
other stuff, but still that'sbeen a battle since he was
probably 10 years old.
So we find I that's once I gothim in front of coaches like
that, I was still helping ataviators.
When we got to Askren, I was Iwas just watching the window.
That's it.

(29:16):
I didn't talk to him.
He saw me, you know, like I wasjust kind of there as a dad in
the window, but like, hey, payattention to what you're doing,
you know, don't be doing thatshit, you know, kind of
correcting him, right?
Yeah, so that's I I wanted toput him in hands that I could
trust, right?
Because that's that's whathappens when a kid's able to
click with a coach and you cantell that they're doing well.
I don't want to, I don't want toget in the way, I don't want to

(29:38):
interrupt what you're doing.
I want to let you do your thingbecause you're good at it, and
I'm not as good as you, right?
Yeah, that's where we kind ofgot to.
And once we got him to Asprin, Ikind of started to realize this
is a little bit bigger than whatI think he thinks it is.
He he's really kind of pushingthe limits.
So at 11, we took him to NorthCarolina, right?
We took him to Super 32 at 11.

(30:00):
11 at 11.
And he brought around same timethat Mac Max went around his
sixth grade a year, too.
Yep, yep.
And he took third and didn'tplace after that until last
year.
It's tough, right?
But that was the that, like Isaid, at that age, I gotten to
the point where I was just kindof like, okay, you're doing
something.

(30:20):
I need to leave it alone, butI'm gonna be here.
I'm the I was the guy that waspushing him that little bit,
right?
The coaches did their thing, andI'd be like, Oh, what coach tell
you?
You know, I'll take that littlepiece of information that coach
gave him and I'll dial it up anotch just to make him kick it
into gear, just a little bitextra, right?
That's all I wanted to do.
I would always ask Josh, hey,we're going to this tournament.
What is it?
What do I need to look at?

(30:40):
You know, things like that.
Got to the point where it's justlike, okay, this is what he's he
wants to wrestle.
Oh, everybody knows us.
It was Iowa, Iowa, Iowa, Iowa,Iowa, Iowa, Iowa.
That kid had three Iowasinglets, he had Iowa shorts, he
had Iowa hat, he had Iowajacket, he had Iowa backpack, he
had Iowa shoes, he had Iowa,Iowa, Iowa, he had uh Iowa
tattoos on his face, too.
Whatever.

(31:01):
But we that was that was just Ithink it was a good way to kind
of get him to grind, you know,watching the the Iowa videos.
I don't know what you guys did,but man, I'll tell you what,
when we was when William waslittle and he was because
there's days where he'd be kindof down, we'd do a little bit of
monster in this in a in a cupform, put some monster in there,
give him a little kick.

(31:22):
Um, but that was it.
That was it.
We just wound him up and let himgo.
Coaching, like you said, Ididn't I I knew about single
eggs, double eggs, you know,half Nelson's cradles, all that
stuff.
I just took coaching the basicshit, and then yeah, we let it
go.
And I noticed uh again it likeyou know when we when we started
going to some of those nationaltournaments, he really wanted to

(31:42):
do it, and I said, Okay, so Istarted a dual team, Wisconsin
Iron.
You know, I I didn't want justyou know Liam to get better.
I we knew a bunch of kids, youknow, uh Landon Bogards, uh
Camden Ruggs, the you know, allthese kids that are now D going
to D1 schools.
Yeah, that I took we wantedthose kids around because we

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knew that they were they were apart of that thing, you know,
they're part of that mentalityof they this is what they want
to do.

SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
Might be a pipe dream, but they're pushing no,
it's is is no real real talk.
It's the parents, man.
Those parents, you need to bearound those type of parents
that, like I said before, thecraziest parents make the best
sports kids, right?
Those were the kids that werelike the rugs, yourself, the
Bogards, the um um um um uh ohmy god, what was his name?

(32:35):
Um uh um the the Lebinskys,those type of kids, those type
of parents.
We needed to be around thosedudes because we needed to see
what was what what was the likethe next level, right?
We needed to push each other inorder for us to succeed to where

(32:56):
we at.
Now think about this though,because Liam, Max, Brooke,
Lebensky, uh Um, um Bogart, theum um um those kids, like like
Zom Bills, the Bills.
Yeah, we were at every we wereat every national tournament.

(33:17):
Yes, correct.
We were at every localtournament.
We were we were we wereeverywhere and we pushed each
other and we tested each otherto make sure that we were what
we need to be at.
Think about it now.
Your son going D1, Bill gonna goD1, yeah, Rug is going D one.
Yep, even D2, like we pushedeach other to make us to make

(33:41):
each other better, dude.
Right, like it was it was crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (33:45):
It was an information pipeline, right?
Like you were saying, theparents challenge each other
because they're saying, Oh, weheard so and so went here, we're
gonna go here.
We're like, Yeah, we are too.
When are you going?

SPEAKER_00 (33:55):
You know, the middle school duels, the preseason
nationals, yep, the battle bythe borders, yep, all these
places, like we competed.
Yep, Tulsa.
We went to Tulsa twice, youknow.

SPEAKER_03 (34:07):
Like, I went to Tulsa one time.

SPEAKER_00 (34:09):
I went to Tulsa one time.

SPEAKER_03 (34:11):
I went, I went twice, and after the second, I
mean it was a tough tournament,right?

SPEAKER_00 (34:14):
And after, I don't know, I think we're good.
It was it was tough, and I waslike, Yeah, I don't know if
we're gonna go back here again,but man, it was freaking it, it
it it was freaking tough, dude.
It was tough, but we pushed eachother to get us better.

SPEAKER_03 (34:30):
So we got to this point, right?
So we got to this point, and Iknew at some point we would
start getting you knowcommunication from coaches,
things like that, yeah, phonecalls and whatnot.
And and most of the time, it getand this is the way so, folks.
This is where hopefully payparents kind of pay attention
because this is I didn't knowany of this stuff, and and
again, I thank Jamie Nelson forthe help with it, the letting me

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know about certain things andhow how you should approach a
coach and things you should sayto a coach.
Because I didn't, as much asLiam didn't know, I didn't know.
I didn't know how to talk tothese guys, I don't know how to
you know if they call like howthey don't care about me, they
don't give two shits aboutparents.
Parents understand that theydon't care about you, they do

(35:14):
because you have the you havethe child they want, yeah.
They don't care about you.
They're actually watching someof the actions that you do to
see if maybe that's what yourkid does, but that's it, they
don't care.
That's that right.
Say it again, say it again.
They they do what they don'tcare about you, they care about
the kid, they care about thewrestler.
That's what they care about.
Actions that the parents do,correct, correct.

(35:34):
They they watch so they watchmannerisms, they watch
reactions, they watcheverything, you know.
There's always it's aninterview, you are interviewing
for them, and they'reinterviewing for you.
It's a whole interview process,right?
Correct, correct.
So, I think the fact that we getlost in of oh, I'm so excited to
go to this with them.
That's great, but you need totake a back seat, like you need

(35:54):
to just be a guide.
Um, but let's be honest though.

SPEAKER_00 (35:58):
If if we had dads like us, dog, we would be
phenomenal.
Come on, let's be honest withit, though.
Let's be honest.
Hey, most parents ain't gonnatalk to hey, I'm gonna put the
goddamn hat up, right here.
If I had a dad like me, ohgoddamn, I'd be motherfucking
phenomenal.
I ain't even gonna goddamn lie.

(36:21):
Let's be 100 with it.

SPEAKER_03 (36:23):
Right, right, right.
I but the thing is that the withme in the in the process that I
you know and and listening towhat I was being told and things
like that.
I I was like, okay, well, I getit, I get it.
It's not it's not about me, so Ihave to watch my P's and Q's.
I don't really watch my P's andQ's anymore, but I at first I
was watching my Ps.

SPEAKER_00 (36:41):
I don't even meet Karen.

SPEAKER_03 (36:43):
So, you know, the first I knew so I knew Liam
wasn't gonna be a badger.
You ready, Dimitri?
This is the one who wanted to.

SPEAKER_00 (36:50):
Oh, we're about to go here.
Hold on, give me, give me, giveme one second.
Hey, say hey, all day about topop in real quick.
Oh give me one second.
Hey, give me one second.
I'm about to go, give me onesecond, I'm about to pop off,
and I'm gonna come right back.

SPEAKER_03 (37:06):
All right, hey, hey, give me one second.
You bet, you bet.
I'll I'll keep everybody goingwhile you're doing something.
Okay, set said hey is gonna beback.
Said hey all day.
I'm not gonna go too much of thebadger thing because I I know I
got I got someone coming backhere, but I it it was it was a
it was a peculiar type ofsituation, right?

(37:26):
It wasn't at the time, it wasnot I mean it wasn't really a
no, I guess, with the badgers.
Like, I mean, when we first uhwe went to the duel against
Iowa, you know, things likethat, because it was Iowa, Iowa,
Iowa, Iowa, Iowa.
We went to the duel, we watchedthe duel.
Um, the badgers got smashed thatday, you know, right?

(37:47):
I mean, we went there as Iowafans in the first place.
We weren't there necessarily tosee if the badgers were gonna
pull off a win against thembecause at that point it wasn't,
I mean, it just was nothappening.

SPEAKER_00 (37:57):
But all right, let's talk about this right now.
All right, you ready?
Heck came o say hey all daycoming out.
Okay, all right, badgers.
Let me tell you this right here.
Yep, right.
Max wanted to be a badger,fucking bono, and I'ma say it.

(38:20):
You might not like it, and I'mgonna say it.
Whatever, it don't matter atthis point.
Bono they won't max.
And I'm glad Bono didn't won'tmax.
They're gonna be mad at me.
Say what you want to say.

SPEAKER_03 (38:31):
Don't matter, they don't watch my shit.

SPEAKER_00 (38:34):
Um say it, say it and spray it.
It's it's it's the fact of thematter is that you gotta
remember these are 17, 16, 17,18-year-old kids, right?

SPEAKER_03 (38:52):
Correct.

SPEAKER_00 (38:52):
Why why do you think that they don't understand life
like that, right?
They understand, remember whenyou was a kid, yep, and we
thought we was gonna be abadger, but I promise you, si
you is probably one of the bestcolleges, yeah, that I have been
to.
Coach DJ D T Darrell Thomas.

(39:16):
Oh my god, when this man came tomy house and he was the first
person to come in, and he saidhe sat down right here where I'm
at.
My wife Asian, she had egg rollsset down, right?
Egg rolls, probably one of thebest egg rolls you're gonna have
in your life.
So if you need some goddamn eggrolls, tell at your boy say hey

(39:36):
all day.
I need some goddamn egg rolls,that's gonna be for phenomenal,
right?
Because they authentic.
You feel me?
They from the motherland, so wesat down and he said, Hey, look,
I was recruiting you because youwas beating the kids that I was
recruiting, and I said, Okay, hesaid, You beat the kids that was

(39:58):
recruiting, but you just lost tojust randoms, and I said, Oh, I
love you.
I said, You came here and youtold the truth.
Yep, and when he said that, Iknew I knew personally, I knew.
I said, This is the place thatMax needs to be at.
Daryl Thomas is a phenomenalcoach.

(40:22):
Did you go to the campus?
Yeah, we went to the campus.
The campus was for was freakingphenomenal.
I loved it.
Good, good, and and then, andthis is why I loved it, right?
We love fishing, we lovehunting.
Yes, I'm black, I love hunting,I love fishing, right?
No, oh my god, I love fishingand hunting, and they took us to

(40:45):
the back trails of like likethey had us on the golf carts,
and we was hitting the trailswhere the where the fishing
ponds was at, where the huntingponds was at, and oh my god, I
freaking loved it, dude.
Was it just you guys?
Oh, it was me, max, my wife, mykids, my kids, and it was a
couple other recruits.

(41:06):
And I said, Max, this is theplace where you need to be at
because they're going to developyou.
Nice.

SPEAKER_03 (41:12):
So that was the big thing that we that we learned as
well.
Um, not not just about like theschool itself, but like so,
parents, when these kids arelooking at these schools, right?
You're still long.
Don't when I say stay out of it,like I'm just saying be a guy,
right?
Don't put your nose, don't stickyour nose in it.
Just be off to the sidelistening because that's when
you guys walk away.

(41:32):
That's when you can talk to yourson or daughter and be like,
Hey, no, this coach said this.
Maybe you should pay attentionto this, you know, kind of
thing.
Help them out with that, right?
Don't butt in, though, right?
So, we got to the point where wekind of said, Okay, this was
told to me.
They have to number one, pretendyou're not going to school
there.
Parents pay attention to them,pretend you're not gonna go to

(41:54):
school there, pretend you'rejust moving there and you're
gonna live there.
Could you see yourself doing it?
Okay, that's one factor,obviously.
And then the other factor youjust mentioned that coach made
number one, it made you feelcomfortable as a parent, so that
it made me feel comfortable whenhe said you beat the top kids,
but you lose to randoms.

SPEAKER_00 (42:14):
That's what I love the most.

SPEAKER_03 (42:15):
Yep, yep.
He recognized something in himalready, right?
So that's that's a path ofdevelopment in my eyes.
That's a path of developmentalready when they can kind of
see and pay attention.
Oh, their coaches may have seenit, but they didn't tell him,
right?
They didn't, yeah, they didn'tsay it to his face or present it
to him, so then they might have.
But so what we also learned,too, is that with the
expectations of a coach, right?
Not every coach needs you to winsuper 32, not every coach needs

(42:38):
you to win preseason nationals.
These guys see potential in yourkids, so allow them that chance
to to let that potential shinethrough, regardless of wherever
it is.
Make sure they're comfortablewith the coach, make sure you're
comfortable with the coach.
You're still sending your childhere, right?
I want to reiterate, don't justignore the situation, but just
stay back, be in the background.

(42:58):
Um, it's a fun process.
Um, I can tell you when whenessentially when our recruiting
process started, this is how uhcool Wisconsin was to us.
It's a great story.
They already knew Liam wasn'tgoing there.
I had made it abundantly clearonline, whether it was online on
here.
I made it abundantly clear hewas not gonna be going to

(43:19):
Wisconsin.
So, with that being said,recruiting process started, and
I want to say I can't rememberwhen he sent the postcard out,
but I know Reader always kind ofhad a smile on his face, and he
was always the nicest to Liam.
I I I've always kind ofgravitated more towards Reader.
Um, I just I just like the guy'senergy.
I I don't know how he would doas a head coach, but I I liked
him.
So I was like, you know, I don'thate you know all everything

(43:42):
about the badgers.
There's some guys that were onthe team that we like.
I love Barnett, he's a greatkid.
The guy, man now, he's not akid, but we got to the point
where we had gotten, I think, auh a card from NDSU.
Um from the coach.
I got I got NDSU, yeah.
And then we got this postcardfrom the Badgers, right?

(44:02):
And I'm like, dude, you got apostcard?
Hanging no goddamn postcard,guys.
I got a postcard, but the pointwas is that he we he wasn't
gonna go there, but we get thispostcard that says looking
forward to going to therecruiting process with you,
Liam John Reader.
John, stop it.
You weren't gonna recruit himbecause you know you weren't
gonna funny postcard, funnyhaha.

(44:24):
You know, great, great jobsending that over saying, Hey,
maybe he's gonna go here becausemaybe he's not, you know, kind
of thing.
So we ignored that.
Now we started going into therest of the process, right?
First step was NDSU.
That was the first visit wetook.
I'm totally new to it, I didn'tgo to college, right?
How did you like NDSU though?
How did you like it?
Was it was loved it?
I love Obi.
Obi's a great, great guy.

(44:44):
I I love the coaching staff.
Matt and Lee was great.
Um, I think um uh big big bigguy.
Oh man, if I can remember hisname, he actually went back to
Penn State.
Uh-huh.
Um, so he he left, but we lovethe place, and I think um Tyson
Martin was there in the visitwith us as well.
Okay, okay.
As kids, you know, those bothwere both those guys are kind of

(45:05):
hanging out, and I think Liam'stelling me he's like, Yeah,
Tyson and I, if we both go here,we're gonna be like roommates
and stuff.
I'm like, Ah, this is okay, thisis where the dreaming part
starts with the you want to dothis stuff, you know.
So it was fun listening becausehe was excited.
I was like, Okay, he's havingfun, doing let's let's do this
thing, right?
And Liam's big on not drinking,right?

(45:25):
Doesn't want to be around it,doesn't want to have a picture
if it's in the he doesn't wantit.
He's safe sport, all that shit.
And he said, he won't even okay.
Christina, let's let's put itthis way Christina likes to
drink uh Mike's hard lemonade,right?
She won't ask him to get itbecause he'll tell her no
because of safe sport from therefrigerator.
I have to go get it.
Okay, that's how serious thiskid is.

(45:46):
He doesn't want to touch it,doesn't want to be around it.
We go to NDSU, nothing getsthese guys, they're college
kids, and we're there duringhomecoming, nonetheless, right?

SPEAKER_01 (45:55):
Liam and Tyson were asked crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (45:57):
Liam asked if they wanted to if him and Tyson
wanted to either go golfing ormaybe go to like a party or
something like that.
You know what I'm saying?
He's like, Tyson and I looked ateach other, and we were like, we
want to go golfing.
I was like, All right, okay,okay, that's cool.
I appreciate that.
Because I mean, you totallycould have said, Yeah, I want to
go check out, you know, see whatcollege party looks like.
I don't blame those kids like atall, but in Liam's head, he

(46:20):
doesn't want to babysit that,right?
He doesn't want to have to worryabout a teammate coming in.
When you what was the firstvisit Max went on?

SPEAKER_00 (46:28):
So we went on to uh abstate.
Um I like abstate, I likeBianchi, uh Angie Bianchi,
ma'am, Bianchi and family.
Bianchi, uh, I forgot his.
I forgot the over there.
Like Bianchi, dude.
Yeah, dude.
They're for freaking phenomenalthere.
We would have gone to App State.
I promise you, we would havegone to AbState if uh certain

(46:51):
things would have lined up withus.
Um and then we went to um andthe only and the only other
college that came to visit us athome, yeah, was SIUE.
Daryl Thomas.
Okay, nobody else came to tovisit us, right?

(47:13):
Because think about it.
Max, he won, but he never reallywon the big things, he never won
state second twice, fifth hisfirst mere, yeah.
Um US Open, he placed.
Um, so it it was really neverlike that.
So SIU came and and and DarylThomas said that I was

(47:37):
recruiting you because and Iasked him when he's sitting,
dude, right here where I'm atright now.
He was sitting on the couch, andI said, Why are you recruiting
him?
He said, You beat the kids thatI was recruiting, and you will
beat the high-level kids, butthen you will you will lose to
randoms.
And when he said that, I said, Ilike you because you came into

(48:00):
my home and told me that Max isgood, but he still loses to
people he should never lose to.
I respect that, yeah.
Uh, we went we we had went toAbstate.
Um, it was it was a great visit.
Um some things I didn't uh I Iloved some things I didn't love,

(48:23):
right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And um, I just felt like DarylThomas because he recruited
Dejahn and he recruited McGee,but then he wound up they they
wound up uh canceling theprogram at O Dominion, and I

(48:43):
believe that he was genuine.
And when I went to that uhcollege visit at SIUE, I said,
uh, and you know me, I'm just amotherfucker, right?
I'm gonna just say the mostcraziest shit ever in the world.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
I said, uh, is this like uh anatural thing?
Is this repetitive?
Like, do you do this all thetime?

(49:03):
He said, Look, yeah, I do, butwhen the people that I I enjoy,
I want, I really talk to.
And he was just very genuine.
And when he was genuine, he washonest.
I I just immediately like Isaid, I like you, and it's

(49:24):
development, dude.
It was development all day.
Bianchi, I would have gone to Iwent to Abstate, but it was
other things that I just didn'tagree with.
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I like tobe honest with it.
Parents gotta be honest.

(49:44):
Like, I know my son, I know whatthis is, and I don't like
certain things, and I do likecertain things.
The coach was phenomenal, likethey develop kids and they just
do, but uh it was more likeSIEWE just really can't.
They they came, they came to thehouse, they saw the potential.

(50:05):
Yeah, it's really about thepotential in college, it's not
like what you've done, it'sabout your potential at the next
level.
That's what I love to see is thepotential, and they actually was
honest, dude.
I I that's what I loved aboutit.

SPEAKER_03 (50:21):
There was the second trip was to Indiana for us.
Um, PD's down there.
Um we went to I can't rememberwhen it was.
Um, but they had a they had afootball.
Obviously, they try to get youthere when there's a football
game, right?
That's a big recruiting thing.
So we got down there.

SPEAKER_00 (50:39):
They do the football, but Wisconsin didn't
bring us on the official visit,though.
I swear to god, we'd have goneto Wisconsin.
Wisconsin didn't bring us anofficial visit.
I'm gonna talk shit right now.
I'm I'm gonna talk my shit realquick.
You hear me?
I'm gonna talk my shit.
Fuck it.
I'm gonna talk my shit.
Bono your motherfucking assbrunkers down there, and you

(51:00):
told us this.
You said we're not gonna giveyou a scholarship.
We'll do this, we'll do that.
I'm like, okay.
Max was at um Fargo.
Max is right here right now.
He's looking at me like, Dad,don't do this, Max.
So we we was at Fargo.

(51:21):
He watched um a wrestler beforeus, right?
Yep, I'm gonna take the head offright now.
Well, he watched the wrestlingmatch before us.
My my wife just told me to stop.
I'm not gonna stop.
I'm gonna just be honest withyou.
This said hey all day, right?
So they watched the wrestlerbefore us.

(51:42):
Yep, they walked away from ourmatch, right?
And I had Max uh text the coach.
I said, Hey, text the messy.
Did they say he was like, Oh,yeah, buddy, I saw your match,
do we?
We we phenomenal is whatever.
Yeah, and I said, Bullshit.

(52:03):
That was the that that was theum the weakest response ever
heard in my life.
And at that moment, I knew Maxwasn't didn't want to go there,
and at that moment I knew thatthey didn't want us there.
Yeah, go someplace where youwant it not tolerate it.

SPEAKER_03 (52:20):
Yeah, and that's that I was just gonna get that.
So that's the one thing that Inoticed.
Like when we went to Indiana,they didn't and most big 10
schools or some big 10 schools Ihear uh do this.
Like they they bring you up,they tell you, you know,
whatever this is what we thinkyour son is, we think he's a
builder, all this other things.
Um they don't make an offer,right?
Unfortunately, with the timeframe of what we were in with

(52:42):
the NIL deal, with the rostercuts deal, that kind of thing.
I mean, there's a lot of stuffthat we I mean, obviously, I
knew a lot about what was goingon with with the NCAA, and so I
told Liam was like, Hey, youhave to be decisive, you know,
you got to make a decision.
We have to figure out whereyou're gonna fit in because you
also have to look at a school.
If your kid's trying to wrestlethere too, are they gonna start

(53:03):
next year or are they gonnastart in two years?

SPEAKER_00 (53:04):
You know, are they it didn't even matter about
starting?
I just want him to get a great agreat experience in a college
degree.

SPEAKER_03 (53:12):
There's an expectation, there's a slight
expectation, yes.
There's a there's that slightexpectation.
The education was always the bigthing.
I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
I mean, I want my kid towrestle, right?
But I'm not gonna lie.
I'm he's going to Virginia.
This is basically a public Ivyschool.
When he said he was going there,I was like, Hold yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Okay, education's gonna betop-notch.

(53:32):
Let's do this, man.
Like, I don't even care, right?
But either way, what we're theIndiana was just kind of like,
yeah, love the coach again.
Uh uh I love those guys, theywere very nice, very welcoming.
Never never had a problem there.
Um, the Iowa visit, the the allthree of those schools came in
home, right?
The Iowa visit was the one thatreally turned us off because of

(53:53):
the non-transparency of what wasgonna go on with what do you
mean non-transparency?
What um so what I knew what wasgoing on with the NCAA, and we
all know Iowa, you know, theygot a guy that's got money, his
name's Bob, right?
We'll just go with that.
So that I I and I knew that theywere gonna try and there,
there's something dude.

SPEAKER_00 (54:12):
They're gonna hate us after this podcast, you know
they're right.
I don't really care because it'sgoing to Virginia.

SPEAKER_03 (54:18):
So um, I I told Morningstar, I specifically
said, I want to know.
We don't we when we get downthere, we don't want to talk
about anything about NIL.
We don't want to talk aboutanything.
I want to know what the school'sgonna invest in.
I mean, he's like, Well, youknow, it's all kind of part of
it.
I was like, I get that that shitcan all come afterwards.
I don't want to hear about it,you know, just because and I
said too, I said Liam's gonna becoming when Bo Bassett's there,

(54:40):
when D Lockett's there, when JaxForrest is there.
I was like, he's gonna be in thebackground, you know.
I don't know how it's gonna feelfor him.
You're gonna, you know, I mean,taking the experience for what
it is, but before we even hadthat visit to the the actual
official visit to Iowa, he wentto Virginia, right?
Now, Liam had been to Iowa fouror five times already, training
at the RTC was what oh really?
Oh Santo and guys like that, anddoing all the workouts, you

(55:04):
know, that shit.
So he'd been down there, you gotthe feel kind of already.
The official visit would havejust been to like probably hit
up a football game and then kindof hang out with some guys, and
that he already knew, you know.
So it wasn't a it wasn't gonnabe like this huge kind of deal,
so it wasn't a big deal thatboat was there, but and all
those guys.
But either way, he kind of wewent to Virginia.
Virginia, so this is anotherthing, they never even came to

(55:25):
our house.
Virginia never came to ourhouse.

SPEAKER_00 (55:27):
Really?

SPEAKER_03 (55:28):
Their their house visit was to our camper outside
of 32 super 32.
That was what kind of camper yougot.
What kind of camper you got?
Well, we just rented an RV, thatwas all we did.
We rented an RV, okay, I'll justgo down because when we were
done, we met him for the firsttime.
When we were done, we weredriving up to Virginia to go
visit those guys.
That's when we went on theofficial visit.
Liam's a big history kid, walkedaround Virginia a little bit,

(55:49):
got sold.
Um, you can't beat theconnections, you can't, you
know, when it comes to gettingan education, you can't.
I mean, it's great.
There are don't get me wrong,other schools has nothing to do
with these other schools, butjust in the light of like, holy,
he's gonna go to Virginia.
Like, damn.
Okay, we got out of the elevatorof Virginia after talking to
those guys, they kind of madethe offer, things like that.

(56:10):
And um Liam walks out, he goes,I'm going here.
I'm like, whoa, whoa, like yougotta you have an Iowa visit
yet.
He goes, Nope, not going.

SPEAKER_00 (56:22):
So he already knew already he wanted to go to uh
Garland.

SPEAKER_03 (56:26):
When those guys were coaching, we we were just
watching a practice, justwatching, right?
And same thing that you saidwith the coach, he came in and
he gave you the real deal.
You know, we say he told youexactly what he thought and what
he saw.
Garland was coaching, tellinghis guys, saying, I'm repeating
myself.
Why do I have to repeat myselfin here?
I was like, Man, what thatsounds like me.

(56:47):
Like, that's how I talk.
Like, holy shit, like, I hate Ihate repeating myself.

SPEAKER_00 (56:51):
Dude, I felt like that with with with with uh
Daryl Thomas, as when he wassitting down here on my couch
over here.
I swear, I promise you.
I said, That is me.
If I would have gone the collegecoaching route, I said, I
promise you, he sounds like me.

SPEAKER_03 (57:08):
Darland apologized to me because I'm sorry you had
to hear that.
I was like, No, no, no, no, no,no, no, continue, continue,
please.
I like what you're saying.
So, I mean, it was sold, and hewas comfortable there.
We as parents, I mean,Christina's a history major, so
the east coast is like she livesin it, like we're gonna be over
there constantly, right?
So, we were sold there rightaway, and it felt like home to

(57:29):
Liam.
Like the guys, they brought himin, they told a story about Jack
Lesher was talking about how heyou know was told that he was
gonna get this scholarship, andthen something happened with
some funds, and they said theymight not be able to do it.
He's like, Coach Garland camethrough, he pulled through, and
he he got it done what hepromised, and he keeps his
promises.
And I said, That's that's whenyou know, and not not every not

(57:51):
everybody's gonna like Garland.
You could you guys, you know,obviously, you like DT, right?
So, yeah, there's everybody'sgot their fit somewhere, it
doesn't have to be at a hugeschool, guys.
These D3 and D2 schools.
Man, have you seen some of thewrestlers coming out of there?
Grandview is pretty goodcollege, right?
Don't shy away from thoseschools, take every opportunity,
take every visit.

(58:11):
That's one thing that we tookaway from DeSanto.
Yeah, his parents never let himvisit anywhere, he was
homeschooled.
They told him he was going toDrexel.

SPEAKER_00 (58:19):
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 (58:20):
He said, Take every visit you get, take every single
one, whether you're going thereor not, take every single visit
because you don't know, youdon't know.

SPEAKER_00 (58:28):
Yeah, you don't.
You you you you really don't,and I think what a lot of
parents need to understand isthat uh it's about the
authenticity of the of thecoach.
If you have a good discernmentof what a person really is, you
would know if that's the rightfit for you.

(58:48):
For sure, for sure.
That's what I I that's what I100% believe.

SPEAKER_03 (58:52):
So with with what you guys went through, the
process, where I guess what wasthe most you guys had some fun
at SIU, you know, you guys youthey took you around and kind of
took you on a golf cart and kindof went through the woods and
shit like that.
But what was it?

SPEAKER_00 (59:08):
Yeah, we was going, we was going crazy over there at
SIU.
It was so much fun, but goahead.

SPEAKER_03 (59:13):
What what part of it um I guess what part of it was
your favorite?
What part did you like the mostout of it as a parent?

SPEAKER_00 (59:20):
I like the fact that we were sitting at lunch, we was
at Chick-fil-A, right?
They we were at Chick-fil-A, andI said, uh, you guys do these
visits a lot.
When does it get redundant?
When does it get repetitive?
Like, do you say the same thingover and over again?

(59:42):
Like, or are you authentic?
And DT and the other coach waslike, Yeah, it does get
repetitive, but you know whenyou know, you know the kid that
wants to be here, and you knowthat.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:00):
Kid that don't want to be here, yep, yep, and that's
so that Liam noticed that Liamnoticed that too, just being on
trips.
Like there are kids that werejust like on their phone the
whole time, right?
Yes, doing nothing.
I think Garland kind of ran intoa situation like that too.
Like, because the coaches, likeyou when it's interesting that
you asked that because they puta lot into it, right?

(01:00:20):
Especially when they're bringinga group of kids in, you know,
they put a lot into it, and Ithink there were some kids that
weren't paying too muchattention at the time, and I
think it kind of is like, hey,you guys want to be here, or do
you not want to be here?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:34):
Do you want to be here or or or do you don't?
Yes, and that was the biggestthing, but like the like to be
honest with you, just to be themost authentic of it all is when
if a coach comes do a home visitand they tell you the honest

(01:00:55):
truth about who your kid is, andthey don't care that this is
like right.
I'm in my house, right?
This is my house.
I'm a I'm I'm the husband, I'mthe father.
This is my house.
And when another man comes inthis house trying to give you
direction on your son and hetells you the truth and he don't

(01:01:19):
hold back, that's when you knowthe authenticity of everything.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:24):
For sure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:25):
It's when that man is not scared to tell another
man the truth in his home.
Yep, that's when you know youyou you need to go with that
coach.
If that man comes in your houseand says, Yo, son beats, yeah.
I was recruiting your sonbecause he was beating the kids
that I was recruiting, but helosed to random kids that he

(01:01:50):
should not lose to, and he wasnot scared to say that.
I said, You know what, dude?
I I will roll with I will go towar with you any day.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:59):
So I'm I'm proud of Max.
You know, we've watched him fora while, so it's good that he
got to a place that he'scomfortable that he likes, and
and I hope he does nothing butgrows and succeeds.
I he's gonna do awesome, right?
I'd just look at his parents,like you guys have raised him
right, he's gonna do good.
So I think we're done talkingabout our kids now, right?
Yeah, done.
I think we're done talking aboutrecruiting.
So you kind of went off today.

(01:02:22):
You kind of went off.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:27):
Do what I'm about to tell you right now,
motherfucking RQ, right?
Hey, cowboy goddamn said hey allday.
I'm about putting head on rightnow.
God damn it.
Hey, check me out, right?
Hey, check me out.
RQ said at RQ said, look at thegoddamn post.
Cedric Hay will never touch mygoddamn legs.
I double legged him and footswinged him, and I blast doubled

(01:02:49):
his goddamn ass.
If you don't believe me, look atthe goddamn footage at AWA good
to go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:54):
Ben's Ben's got that pulled up.
Ben's got that pulled up except.
But here's the thing.
So everybody okay, everybody outthere, you don't know RQ.
If you know uh wrestling andyou're on rock fin, there's a
page and kind of advertising forhim.
God sucks.
Uh, he's one of the RQ.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:09):
RQ is hey, you need to talk to R.
If you really just sit down andtalk to RQ, that motherfucker
got a goddamn story that willblow your mind, dude.
I'm sure he does.
I'm sure he does.
Oh my god, RQ was the phenomenalwrestler, phenomenal kid.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:27):
Yeah, I'm not saying he wasn't, I'm not saying he
wasn't.
I'm just talking about the WIwrestle thing.
It's on so he's he's a part ofWI Wrestle, right?
And he wrestled, right?
So he was a he was did good,good high school wrestling.
I'm not never gonna takeanything away from his
abilities, right?
Especially wrestling in college,yeah.
Wrestling college.
So uh you got challenged by himat one point, right?
So RQ said something, he's ayoung guy.

(01:03:49):
You're how old said how old areyou?
I'm 37.
RQ, like 20 something.
Yep, yep, yep.
So a little banter went back onback and forth, right?
Are you there?
I can't hear you.
Go ahead, go ahead.
You can't, you can't okay.
So banter was going back andforth that that started out.
Did RQ say something to youfirst?

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:10):
No, so I felt like RQ wasn't giving us the respect
that we needed.
Okay, you feel it dig me?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, but what's RQ wasn'tgiving the respect that we
needed, and I said, you knowwhat, RQ?
I'm gonna beat your ass.
RQ didn't want that smoke, so weget the wrestling, right?

(01:04:34):
I I I I I play a little cat andmouse game with his ass a little
bit.
I'm I'm just playing around withhim.
RQ say, okay, I'm gonna do this.
Yeah, and I put him on his ass.
Hey, RQ wrestled in college.
I never wrestled in college,right?
The the moment so back in 2007,2008, I was gonna go in college

(01:04:55):
to wrestle at Lakeland College.
Okay, Milwaukee Custer HighSchool.
I was gonna wrestle in college.
I had a couple of my fucking Ihad one buddy that went to
fucking goddamn LakelandCollege, you got the stealing
goddamn cell phones,motherfucker.
God damn stealing cell phones,you motherfucker.

(01:05:16):
So, excuse my language.
So he's got the stealing cellphones.
I had a kid when I was nine,eight, eighteen years old.
I was married at 18, beenmarried for 20 years, same
goddamn wife, five goddamn kids.
Yes, I'm a goddamn unicorn.
You feel me?
Yes, so I was gonna wrestling,he didn't want to do it.

(01:05:38):
I was like, let's get let's getthis working.
I called him out, I put him onhis ass.
Hey, RQ, I put you on your ass.
You literally said Cedric willnot touch my goddamn legs, whoa,
your goddamn line.
I put you on your goddamn ass,good to go.
And then after that, right?

(01:06:00):
I'm like, okay, it's good to go.
I put him on his ass.
So, RQ, like, oh dude, I don'twant to do this anymore.
It's okay, it's not even worthit.
No, RQ, you called me out at WIWrestle.
You didn't want to go live, andI put you on your ass.
Somebody who never wrestled incollege put you on your ass and

(01:06:24):
put you on your back.
How at your boy?
That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:29):
So okay, so when I heard the whole thing, like I
think Liam told me about it, andLiam was kind of like, Hey,
jeer, that uh that said and RQare gonna wrestle.
I'm like, No, they're not.
No, they're not, yeah, won't it?
So I so I I saw your stream,right?
I saw your stream, and becauseyou even said too, he's like,
We're gonna wrestle, we're gonnado a live, we can do a live, was
we're gonna do a littlewrestling match, whatever.

(01:06:49):
And I think you said somethingabout you thought it was gonna
be like a period, then theywanted to do a whole match.
You're like, Oh, hell no, like,I don't want to go a whole
match, I just want to wrestleand take them on his ass.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:58):
So oh hell no, I was tired of motherfucker.
I I drink too many goddamnbeers.
Good to go.
I'm tired.
I said, I'm gonna give you.
I said, I'm gonna give you a uhI said I'm gonna give you
goddamn, I'm gonna give you 45second first take down wins.
Good to go.
He didn't want to do it.
I even put up a thousanddollars, a thousand dollars to

(01:07:19):
RQ, a thousand dollars firsttake down win.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:22):
Then it then it turned into likea hundred dollars a takedown.
It was like a hundred dollars,yeah, he didn't want to do it.
That's a solid bet.
That's a solid hundred dollars atakedown.
I mean, that's kind of likegolfing, you know what I'm
saying?
That's that's what guys doing atgolfing hundred dollars a hole,
hundred dollars a goddamntakedown.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:38):
I put him on his goddamn ass.
Ben Askren even said it on hispodcast.
So when I put him on his ass,right?
Yeah, he likes oh Cedric, you agood politician.
Nah, I you said I couldn't touchyour legs, and I did.

(01:08:02):
Don't get it twisted.
I might not wrestle in college,but I get in that ass good to
go.
So now let's fast let's let'sfast forward a little bit.
Dan got damn motherfuckingLesavage, Dan Lasavage, Mr.
Lasavage, and this is gonna turnto more than wrestling.

(01:08:25):
Dan, uh oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you heard clip Jake Clipfrom Pure Vita, which has
multiple UFC fighters, yeah,gonna train me.
Me and Dan is gonna put thegoddamn gloves on, and I'm gonna
beat Dan ass so goddamn bad.

(01:08:48):
Dan fought professionally.
Who is this?

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:51):
Who is this?
Oh, dude, that's that's coach.
That's uh uh dude, help me out,help me out, coach overall.
Herbo's the guy listens to.
I I'm Schultz.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:00):
Uh last name's all I'm saying is this Dan LaSavage
try to challenge me.
I'm about to post a video.
I came in.
My goddamn, oh god, oh, oh, mygoddamn phone failed.
God damn it.
How do I fix this?
You're good.
How do I fix this?

(01:09:21):
What are you fixing?
Hold on, hold on, hold on, wait,my bad.
My phone got in there.
Hold on, wait a minute.
My bad, my bad, my bad.
My phone up because I'm sogoddamn excited right now.
Good to go.
My goddamn phone went crazy.
Damn, goddamn was savage.
I'ma show you the goddamn videoof where I came in and I was

(01:09:43):
goddamn, goddamn, I'm putting indrywall for 14 goddamn hours.
I came in this motherfucker andI almost choked your ass out.
December 23rd, I'm gonna chokeDan out.
No what ain't gonna choke himout.
I'm gonna knock him out,goddammit.

(01:10:05):
And when I knock Dan out, yeah,it's gonna be dope.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:09):
Shit, dude.
I need to be live for that one.
I need to be in I need to be infront of that one.
In front of God damn it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:16):
I don't even know how my motherfucking phone just
got the action stupid right now.
Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:21):
Oh, yeah, I can hear you.
I see you.
You just gotta get it onsomething, so it's it's still my
bad.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:25):
Hey, so what I'm trying to tell you right now,
Dan Lasavage.
After I done whooped RQmotherfucking ass already, RQ,
you ain't about that action.
I'm trying to tell you rightnow, I done put RQ on his ass.
I foot sweeping.
He said, You can't do this.
I never wrestled in college.
Ever RQ wrestled that.
What what do you wrestle withthat?

(01:10:46):
Oskosh.
I don't remember.
I don't know.
He wrestled with Oskosh, then hecoached that park side.
Somebody who never ever everwrestled in college puts you on
your back.
Come on now, my dude.
I think Ben said like fourtimes.
I'm gonna say three.
I'm gonna I'm gonna go three.
Go three, and then after that, Iwas like, God damn John.

(01:11:09):
John made the goddamn the gofive minutes.
John, I can't wrestle for fiveminutes.
Motherfucker, I'm 39 goddamnyears old.
I drink goddamn course light andgoddamn motherfucking honey.
I can't wrestle five minutes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:21):
Nope.
I just put him on his ass.
I just lift blocks of bricks.
That's all I do.
Blocks of bricks.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:26):
Put him on his ass.
I'm telling you right now, RQ,you didn't want that smoke.
Parker Kent.
Oh, he was at the practiceyesterday.
I'm about to put him on his asstoo.
Parker?
What?

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:43):
No.
Ho, ho, ho, ho.
This is this is getting heavy.
You put almost putting it on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:51):
Ask Parker what happened yesterday.
Ask him what happened yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:55):
Oh no, no.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:56):
Ask him what happened yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:59):
I'll ask him.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:00):
I asked you.
You think I'm lying?
Ask Parker for happy ass.
I said Parker, put a thousanddollars on.
I'll put you on your ass.
Anybody give me 30 seconds, I'llput you on your ass.
30 seconds.
Anything after that, I'm done.
30 give me 30 second take down.

(01:12:22):
I'm putting you on yourmotherfucking ass.
I ain't mean to cuss on yourpodcast, but I'm telling you 30
seconds, I'm gonna put you onyour ass.
And this is the other thingright here.
And and and I'm gonna say thisright now, and I'm about to
challenge him.
And I want this motherfuckingsmoke for real.
Wait, Hodge Wage from uh not howso.

(01:12:43):
If you go on Facebook, my boyLebinsky wrestled Camden Rug,
right?
If you go online and you look atit, he's gonna say Rug uh uh had
three people that fall out.
Lebinsky did this.
I can't think of his name on thetop of my head.
I think uh Hodge from from uhfrom from uh uh god damn it, I

(01:13:07):
can't think of name of it.
I'm gonna challenge you too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:10):
Oh, oh, Coach Hodge.
Yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:14):
Yeah, this is what I'm calling it AWA fades.
AWA fades.
Okay, aWA phase.
Anybody want that smoke?
When anybody from my North ShoreClub come holler at your boy
say, Hey, y'all day, I'm I'mready to pull out them L's.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:35):
So so here's the thing is uh do we then just set
up a line with like a cash boxfor like takedown?
So when you get the takedown,they have to put the hundred
dollars in it kind of thing,like you just we set this up
with like you know, like whenyou throw the ball and you knock
the clown in the pool.
Is this the kind of thing wherepeople can line up, come and
wrestle you?
Because I know Dylan Palacio didthe whole what did he run up to

(01:13:55):
people in the street and he'dstrip down to that banana
hammock, uh single, whatever, tochase people down the street or
whatever.
I I it's not like that, but it'slike you're just waiting for
guys to come up.
Okay, you want to try and takeme down?
I'm taking you down in 30seconds.
After that, I'm done.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:10):
Like hey, third, hey, hey, 30 second takedown,
like like like like Henshou didat that one little go.
30 second takedowns because theydon't believe that somebody who
never wrestled at a division onelevel can take a division one
college wrestler down, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:26):
So then guys on Twitter are gonna question how
good those division one collegewrestlers were because that's
that's where Twitter's at,right?
Like they're gonna be like,Well, who'd you actually
wrestle?
You know, all this others, itdoesn't matter.
We're 30, 40 something yearsold.
The fact that I can take youdown in any reason, shape, form,
or matter, even with a rope.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:42):
That's what I'm saying.
So I'm taking down so December23rd, I'm knocking Dan Lesavage
out.
I'm going to cold clock him out.
We're putting gloves on, and I'mgoing to knock Dan Lesavage
clean out.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:59):
Okay.
All right, where's this gettingstreamed?
Where are you putting on?
Is this going live anywhere?

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:04):
We're going to go live at combat corner.
I'm going to knock him out.
When I knock him out and I chokehim out, I want a year of gear
supply for my whole high school.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:15):
Now you've been challenged already by this one
here.
Coach, this is so Herbo is a guythat he listens to, but his last
name's Schultz.
We I say Coach Schultz.
That's just what I call coaches,right?
That's what I do.
Yeah.
Um, but he says that Hodges uhis gonna smoke you.
What?
What?
Oh, he likes to stir a littlebit.
He likes to stir a little bit.
It's okay.
It's okay.

(01:15:35):
He just got done wrestling thecollege open himself.
He screwed up his shoulder andhe just walked that shit off.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:41):
Hey, I'm about I'm about I'm about to hit you with
I'm about I'm about to hit youwith the god dang the preacher
walk.
Jesus, Jesus, help me.
I'm trying to tell you rightnow, they don't want this smoke.
No, they don't you gonna hit yougonna get hit with the SETI
shuffle?
Who wants this smoke?
Who wants to put the thousanddollars up right now?

(01:16:01):
You know what?
I ain't even gonna do a thousanddollars because I know how the
economy is right now, and howeverybody's job is working right
now, and how everybody's doingit right now.
Who wants to challenge it?
Five hundred dollars right now.
Who wants that smoke?
Hodge, I'm gonna get you thatsmoke.
If you want it, let's get it.
He said he said coach Hodge usedto work for him.

(01:16:26):
If he wanted, let's do it.
500 right now.
Put it up right now.
500 right now.
He's smoke.
He says, first takedown win.
This is great.
This is why we're doing this.
This is why we're doing thisright.
500 first take down win.
I'm trying to tell you rightnow, my man Dan Lasavage, I'm

(01:16:50):
gonna knock you out.
It won't be in Japan right now,so he don't know what's going
on, but he does because I showedthe text message through
everyway.
He's scared.
Um talking that's who want thatsmoke up against my man
Lebinsky.
I'm I'm I'm gonna take you down500 off the bat.

(01:17:10):
Um uh uh uh RQ, I already footsweep you, double legged you,
show up the video.
Oh, oh, he's just saying athousand dollars.
Hey, you know what?
I don't even want to take nomoney out your mouth.
You feel me?
I don't even want you to feellike you're on some welfare
right now.
You feel a daddy?

(01:17:31):
All I'm saying is right now, putup the money.
If you want the smoke, comeholler at your boy say hey all
death.
Yep, that's all I'm saying.
What location is that at?
Where are you at?
What location?
I'm I'm at North Shore with withuh Max Ashker.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:47):
Yep, you can you can look it up on the on the
website, North Shore is uh dumbby kind of heartland, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:52):
Smoke, it don't even matter.
I'll meet you in the projects,I'll meet you in the suburbs,
I'll meet you in the goddamnsewer, I'll meet you anywhere,
good to go.
Wherever you want to get thissmoke at, I'll show you.
So, hey, I'm calling it rightnow.
It's called Awa Fades.
Fade, got it 10 4 AWA fades.

(01:18:15):
So the main ones that's talkingthat smoke, hey, I I even take
Ben's ass down.
Good to go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:24):
You're going after a guy that's got two two two new
lungs, brother.
I I I do Ben got a black lungbecause if he got a little no, I
don't know.
I don't know the donationperson, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:36):
I could I need to know the donation because it
because if if if if it I don'twant I don't want to do it, no,
my man Ben.
I love my man Ben.
I ain't even gonna capture it.
I love it's all good.
It's okay.
I love my man Ben, but Hodge,the one that was talking talking
that schmack to my man Lebinsky.
Yeah, I take you down all day,and I'm gonna show you right

(01:18:56):
now, right?
Hey, Wade, Wade Hodge, WadeHodge, yeah.
Wade, wait, I take you down anyday when you want to smoke, how
you want to smoke, anytime,anywhere, with 500 on it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:13):
If I think if if you're talking about this guy,
Coach Herbo, that's CoachSchultz.
He's he's out of I P are you inPA right now, Coach?
Or you yeah, I think you're outof Ohio, though, right?
Like you're from Ohio, butyou're living in PA, right?
He'll answer in a second here.
But um, yeah, yeah.
No, it's it's fun.
I think uh I think doing kind oflike a like a carnival style

(01:19:34):
kind of lineup and doing somemoney for some takedowns.
I mean, what is it 35 45seconds?
That's all you really need for atakedown.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:40):
Hey, hey, no, it's his first takedown win.
There you go.
It ain't it ain't it ain't full,it ain't full.
What do you say?

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:54):
Coach Schultz, Colin Palmer Wrestling Academy, 15.
Cedric A, AWA, zero.
Oh my god, they over here.
Hey, was he drinking tonight orsomething?
What was wrong with it?
He's he's from PA, so we gottakind of we gotta let him slide a
little bit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:09):
Hey, hey, that that's what it is.
I'm trying to tell you rightnow, all day, every day.
Extra, extra read all about it.
Say hey, he's on the run, andyou can't do about it.
You feel it, dig me.
I'm trying to tell you right nowwho wants the smoke.
I'm putting, I'm putting, I'mputting a belt to ass all day.

(01:20:31):
I can't I love these collegedivision one wrestlers who think
they can just whoop anybody.
I'm trying to tell you you don'twant that smoke, you know why?
Because I'm getting trained bythe best.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:43):
So here's the other thing I think some of these guys
might have come in a littlelate.
I don't think they're understandthat you're also a former
Marine, right?
Like, you didn't just like trainfor certain things for once in a
while.
You trained for a long time, allday, every day, with a bunch of
guys, and he uh I thinkhonestly, as me as a guy that
does know wrestling now a littlebit, I don't think I'd beat

(01:21:04):
Cedric.
Plus, I'm 46.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:06):
So there's man.
Hey, what I'm trying to tell youright now is this I'm 37 goddamn
years old, and I swear to god, Ibeat you like I'm goddamn 27
years old.
Good to go.
You don't want this smoke, youdon't want nothing with it.
You you you talk about my manLebinsky, I'm putting him paws
on you.
Who wants to work?
Dan, I'm knocking you out, Has.

(01:21:27):
I'm taking you down.
Who else wants the smoke?
My man said he attacked me.
Did he say he attacked me?

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:38):
He tech falls marines easy, respectfully.
He said respectfully,respectfully.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:47):
Oh, you done made me, you done made me cripple my
goddamn hat.
You see, this this goddamn CodyJames right now.
I saw God outright like goddamnbull.
Yeah goddamn ha.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:58):
Now it only now it only holds five gallons, not ten
gallons.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:01):
Man, hell yeah.
I'm trying to tell you theydon't want this smoke.
I'm trying to tell you.
It's called I I just made thisup right now.
It's called AWA fades.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:13):
So is it awa fades because like their their their
toughness is fading?
Is that what you're saying?
Or is it like no?

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:19):
It's called so when you're about to fight somebody,
let's get that fade on.
It's called fighting.
Hey, we're about to fade, we'reabout to get that fighting on.
You feel it, dig me?
Hey, we're getting that fade on.
I'ma take you down, I'm gonnatalk to you in your I'ma whisper
to you.
I'm gonna say, Hey, look, bruh.
Hey, I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna getclose to you and say, I told
you, don't do this.

(01:22:41):
You don't want this.
I'm I'm gonna whisper to you,I'm gonna tell you these sweet
things in your ear and say, Nexttime you think you can beat me,
just listen to yourself.
You feel it, did you?

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:54):
Yeah, yeah, I feel it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:56):
I feel December, December 23rd.
I'm knocking Dan Lasavage out.
Before that, wait, I take youdown as well.
So, when do you want this smoke?

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:11):
There's so much of it.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't I don't want any.
I don't, I don't these guys allhave said that they want it, but
I don't know when they're gonnastep up to it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:20):
You know why they don't want it because they don't
want to lose in front of theirkids.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:25):
The only smoke you're seeing is out of your
crack pipe.
Put it down.
That's Brian Randall.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:30):
Uh Randall, what what what I'm saying is this the
the the the the crack pipe isthis right here.
We um I'm I'm I'm I'm like I'mlike Noriega, you you feel it
dig me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:47):
I do, I do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:48):
Yep.
Hey, hey, we're giving out thempines.
You don't want this smoke.
If you want it, come holla atme.
But this the thing though, thisthe thing though, cook.
They talk about it, but they notreally about it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, I I do notice a lot ofthat.
You know, I've I've actually putmy address out a couple times to
some people, and they don't showup.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:12):
They don't, they won't because they're scared,
they're afraid to lose in frontof their hey, I'm gonna beat you
so bad your wife might divorceyou.
Good to go.
My wife just came downstairs andsaid, Sandra, don't be cussing
in front of these kids.
My bad.
Let me make sure that you Idon't want to treat you like a

(01:24:34):
kid.
I'm sorry, son.
I'm telling you, they they theythey they they the delusion the
the the the they they they theygot this thing in their head
that they forgot that sometimeswhen a real motherfucker come

(01:24:59):
around when when a real bosscomes around, they like, oh let
me calm down.
You feel me?
And that's the thing extra readall about it, big said on the
run, and you can't do nothingabout it.
All right who won't the smoke,put the money up, cash in hand,

(01:25:20):
let me know what's up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:21):
They're they're lining up, bro.
They're lining up, like that'swhat I'm saying.
Like, this is gonna beentertaining.
I honestly think that I think wecan really I think we can really
capitalize on this.
I think we could make this kindof an annual thing, you know
what I'm saying?
Once a year, like at thebeginning of the season, every
year, Cedric challenges people.
Coach Harbo, who do who is thisdude?

(01:25:44):
He was a nobody.
He's from on Twitter.
He's also on he's he's onFacebook and he's on Instagram.
I'll I'll send you, I'll sendyou his stuff, dude.
He's so do he want this smoke?
Do he want it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:56):
Yeah, he does.
Yeah, yeah.
You don't want this smoke.
Hey, hey, get hey, hey, hey, I'mI'm I'm ready any day, every
day.
I'll I stay ready.
Yeah, hey, we can go right now.
You want to go right now?

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:09):
Loves the energy, loves it, loves it.
I don't it he can't, he can't.
He's he's from he's from PA, helives in Ohio, he's a little far
away.
He's coaching at a great club,though.
One of the parties.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:21):
I go drive down there, beat his ass, and then
come back home, and then callhim later and say, Hey, make me
a goddamn sandwich.
Good to go.
And then and then FaceTime himand tell him mail me that
sandwich.
Mail me that hey, hey, when Ibeat his ass, he's gonna make me
the sandwich on the spot.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:37):
So I I we need to make this aregular thing, I think.
I think this is this issomething that could be
entertaining, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:44):
It's called it's called AWA fades for all the
coaches that said all these aw,because you know aw got a lot of
locations, right?
Yeah, the kids love to see thecoaches get their ass whooped.
So, guess what?
I'm the one that put the belt toass.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:11):
He's gonna be at RF RAF uh oh three.
That's right.
I remember he's gonna he went uhthe last one, he went with his
dad, took his dad to RAF 02.
So he said he said I was alreadyHodge's boss.
I can I can show you uh who'sboss too.
So see, you got guys, you gotthe challengers.
It's fine.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:30):
See, that's the that that's the thing.
They might challenge, but theyreally don't want to go through
it because they don't want to,they don't want to see.
See, if they got kids, they'regonna be too embarrassed because
they're gonna be like, Dad, howdid you just lose to this
non-college guy?
They're gonna think less ofthem.
You feel me?
See, we're gonna be a personlike me.

(01:27:50):
I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:51):
Oh, Shane will drive you to Chicago to make this
happen.
It'll be we can we can we'llcontact.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:56):
Well, Willie doesn't like me anymore, but we'll
contact one of those guys andwe'll see if uh we'll see if uh
hey Kennelly already put you onyour ass once already on the
beach contest.
I'll show the video proof ofthat.
God, you got you got receiptsleft in the right.

(01:28:16):
I got receipts.
Remember, I got receipts.
If you need to see receipts,I'll show you receipts.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:25):
This is great.
This is I'm telling you, dude.
This is cap.
And now, see now, Shane, you'reusing words that we shouldn't be
using, man.
I'm telling you, like, we'rewe're past that.
We can't use hold on, wait aminute.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:37):
Oh, you baby lucky.
I'm on my i'm gonna have youknow what I might have my wife
bring the phone down and justshow you the receipts.
Hey, man, man, hold on, wait aminute, time out.
Man, pull up my Facebook videoof me putting Kennelly on his
ass real quick.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:55):
I haven't done a I haven't done a show in like
three, four months, maybe longerthan that.
And this is probably I would sayone of the most exciting shows
that I've had.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:03):
I'm telling you, December 23rd.
I'm knocking Dan Lesavage out.
First knockout.
We're not doing tap out, we'redoing knockout.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:12):
Okay, okay.
So so with that, okay.
So is it an is it the is it thefirst time you go down knockout?
How technical are we getting?

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:19):
Are you no I'm talking about going to sleepy
sleep?
Okay, we're going to sleep.
So let me tell you a story.
Quick story.
You ready for the story?
So me and Lesavage, me and DanLasavage, we go out to a
tournament uh a couple yearsago.
Lesavage, we go out.

(01:29:40):
It's me and my wife'sanniversary.
We wind up going out on mywife's anniversary.
Man La Fav, me and La Savagewind up being at the at the
Hilton Hotel.
We go into we go into the lobby.
Lasavage wanted to fighteverybody.
I said, fuck that, man.
You gonna fight.
Me and Lesavage go into thegoddamn yard, and I beat the
shit out of him.

(01:30:04):
Police come, right?
Hey, we go back up to the room.
Police come.
Hey, hey, hey, I beat him up inthe lobby.
Not in the lobby, out in thecourtyard.
We wind up going upstairs.
The police come, right?
True story.
I promise you.
I'm right hand of God.
Police come knock on the door.
Hey, I heard y'all got thefighting.
I'm like, no, we didn't get tofighting.

(01:30:26):
Hey, I beat him up, he's okay.
Lasavage come to the door andsay, No, I was being rude, and
he had to knock me out.
I said, It's okay.
And he wound up letting us go.
You feel it, dang me.
Lasavage don't want this work.
Wade Hodges, you don't want thiswork.
AWA Fades, you don't want thiswork.

(01:30:48):
I'm trying to tell you.
I'm being trained by Max Askren,John Goates, and I'm trying to
tell you they don't want thiswork.
They don't want to see somebodywho never wrestled from the
college take them down.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:01):
It hurts.
Say it again, you took down bywhat you get taken down by a
dad.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:20):
Exactly.
I am a dad wrestler that's takendown these division one college
wrestlers.
I am a dad.
37-year-old dad.
Yep.
And I'm taking you down, and youguys have been training for
years.
Holl at your boy.
Hey, I'm doing it for you.

(01:31:41):
I'm doing it for every dad thatwanted to get this work in for
years.
Live through set.
And I'm doing it.
Live through set.
Live through set.
I'm trying to tell you, I'mputting in that work.
They don't want to see it.
I'ma say it again.
Extra, extra read all about it.
No, none of these AWA coacheswant it.

(01:32:03):
You can't do shit about it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:05):
None of it.
All right, ma'am.
Dude, uh, it's it's been an hourand a half.
You you got guys lined up, man.
I'm telling you.
Um, I we do this again, I say.
I think uh I got a couple otherinterviews coming up, I think a
couple weeks.
Uh before December 23rd, wegotta make this happen because
we gotta we gotta make sure, youknow, we we gotta make sure that

(01:32:25):
this happens.
So and you represented well, youdid you you got you got you got
your point across.
We talked about you knowrecruiting with the kids and
talked about you.
We got to know you a little bit.
So, like if you guys want toknow more about them, go to the
beginning of this once it'suploaded.
This will all wind up on um allthe podcast platforms that you
have.
It's on YouTube, it's onFacebook right now.

(01:32:46):
I don't know how long it'll stayon Twitter, it'll probably stay
up there.
So, get to find out who this guyis because um I'm pretty sure
there's gonna be a lot more,baby.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:54):
Um, don't want to see it.
I'm trying to tell you, Cook.
You just started something thatwas freaking crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:01):
Well, let's let's grow that.
Let's grow that.
Let's let's build on a littlebit.
I think.
Um, I think one of these times,I think we're gonna get I think
we're gonna get coach uh Schultzup here.
We're gonna have him bring someof that Palmer Palmer love up
and see if you guys can throwdown too, you know what I'm
saying?

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:15):
And I'm gonna put him down on his back too.
Count and I'm gonna whisper tohis ear.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:19):
Sweep you got shout-outs besides the guys you
already you already put shoutouts to.
You got shoutouts you want toput out there?

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:26):
Yeah, uh Parker.
We were talking yesterday.
Yeah, let's get that work in.
Hey, but for real, December22nd, December 21st is gonna be
the brown deer youth tournament.
Make sure you guys out thererepresent.
Hey, we're gonna have some funtimes.
Um, and hey, just show up andlet's get that work in.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:47):
Awesome.
Uh, it's dude, it's been fun.
Uh, we don't get to see enough.
Obviously, we kind of all hittournaments and stuff like that,
see each other once in a while,but now it's gonna be even more
sprax.
Now I think as parents, we needto kind of get together.
Maybe, maybe we do like a big,like uh like an NCA watch or
something like that.
Let's do it.
Just saying.
So, uh, it's been anotherepisode.
I think it was like episode 110,115, one whatever.

(01:34:10):
Oh let's go.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:12):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:12):
We've been doing this for a hot minute.
We just took a little bit of abreak, you know, because working
on the basement, things likethat, trying to get it all put
together, make it look right.
But uh next time, uh next time Igot to be in the studio with
you, yeah, dude.
But bring it.
Uh, we'll bring it, bring Maxup, bring the family up.
We don't care, we can hang out.
Got the hot tub, that blackstonegrill, we can do it all.
So, with that being said, man,it has been another episode of

(01:34:34):
the Vision Quest Podcast.
We're gonna end this here, Seb,but you and I are gonna talk
once we're done here, quick.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:39):
So peace.
Peace.
Let's go.

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Episode #114: Sed Hay All Day....Nuff Said

On Purpose with Jay Shetty