Creator Spotlight: Jessica Cavanagh

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Hey everyone, welcome back tothe Wait For it Podcast.

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I'm your co-host, phil Barrera,aka Phil the Filipino.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
And I'm your other co-host, mr Eric Almighty, and
we are back with another episodeof Creator Spotlight, and this
time we decided to go into theworld of voice acting and beyond
with our next guest, veryexcited to continue our
conversation when we mettogether at InfinityCon and Phil
, this is one that the peopleare not going to want to miss.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, super excited when we met our guest back at
InfinityCon in Gainesville,which was such a great time to
be a part of that, and you know,we just immediately connected.
And that's kind of how westarted approaching this series
is we run into people withsimilar interests and we just
kind of go from there andluckily, after some planning, we

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were able to make this episodehappen.
So let's bring in our guest forthis evening, Jessica Cavanaugh
.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
I know you've been super busyover the last few months and I'm
very glad we are.
We were able to make thishappen.
So how are you doing tonight?
And please introduce yourselfto our audience.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, hello.
Thank you so much for having me, you guys, and, yes, thank you
for your patience as I havegotten my life together in the
last couple of months.
Yeah, it was great meeting youguys at InfinityCon.
I have moved from one state toanother since then, so a lot has
happened changed jobs andthings like that but things are

(02:03):
good.
Super happy to be here.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, I can't wait to get into our conversation here
tonight as well as have a littlefun, you know discuss what you
have been up to and kind of yourbackground and how all of that
got started.
So cannot wait to dive into youknow all of that here tonight.
Before we get started, I wantto remind everybody if you're a
first time listener, welcome.
And for all you returninglisteners, if you need a little

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bit of a reminder of where tofind all the rest of our content
as well as where you can findJessica, make sure you stick
around to the very end of theepisode.
We will go over all of that,but as we get this episode
kicked off, jessica, please telleverybody what they may know
you from, as well as what you'recurrently working on now.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, so you may know me from my Hero Academia.
I play Inko Midoriya, Deku'smom.
You may also know me as Aaron'smom in Attack on Titan You're
seeing a trend here.
Well.
Also you may know me asAquarius from Fairy Tale Not a

(03:09):
mom, but then kind of a mom, Idon't know, she's just and Curly
Dedon from One Piece.
Those are kind of the main onesthat get brought up.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, as you can see in my co-hosthost office, there
he is a little bit of a my hair.
I see my boy, I see my boy,where is?
It, it's yeah.
I have Justin Briner back theresomewhere and I'll find a
co-autograph by by our buddyJustin.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
So, of course, of course, because there are 10,
that I'm going get on my soapbox, I'm gonna get on the soapbox,
here we go where is my pop?
Where is my damn pop?

Speaker 1 (03:53):
sorry, am I allowed to say damn yes, yes, no, you're
fine, I've got a spot up there.
He's right up there as well.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Poor inco has been crying up to the ceiling for
years and years.
She deserves a freaking pop.
I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I will never understand, and you know it's
very valid too, because I'vetold Phil this I had a much
bigger collection of my heropops than this but I had to stop
once they started introducinglike Class 1B and I was like,
okay, well, now we've lost senseof the plot.
So I mean, if that can happen,I don't understand why mama
midoriya is not involved, likeliterally, you know, there's

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approximately 2817 dekus.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Love you deku, love you justin.
Please, please, live well, livelong and prosper.
But my god, can mom please getone, just one.
So I mean, I, I get asked tosign justin's, I get asked to
sign deku pops, like the onewhere the one where baby deku's

(04:57):
in the pajamas yeah, that's agood one, yeah, yeah I get asked
to sign that one all the timeand I'm just like, yeah, I get
asked to sign that one all thetime and I'm just like she's in
that scene.
Can she please have her own popfrom that scene?

Speaker 3 (05:09):
They need to make the ones they have like those
landscape ones.
They could easily put her inone of those.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
That'd be such a good gift, like where he's pointing
at the TV.
That'd be a perfect one.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Or holding him while he's crying.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, we're going to send this to Funko and we're
going to we're going to make ithappen.
They're not going to give usany credit, but we'll send it,
we'll send it, we'll do it.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I really, I have gone , I have gone on, I've gone on
these quests, like Funko is sickof me Cause that I was just
like so proud of.
I was like this is it?
This is going to be a thingthat's going to convince them.
I went on YouTube and literally, like you know, searched myself
which is just the cringiestthing to admit ever but there it

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was, and I found this IncoMidoriya, like a tribute to Inco
Midoriya, and it has like 8million views and it's like this
mashup of all of these.
And it's like this mashup ofall of these and it's English
you know, it's the English duband it's just eight million.
I was like that's it, like Isent it to Funko and was like

(06:13):
eight million People know her.
They like her.
The people want it the peoplegive the people what they want
and everyone's like best mom.
Like all the comments,everything was like they love
her.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Can she please?
Just no, they didn't evenrespond.
I just, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Funko hates me, has anybody ever been cruel and made
you sign some sort of titanfunko?
No, okay, good, just makingsure, jeez, can you imagine?
Yes, so that's why I actuallycan too.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
I, I can too so at least we've, at least we have
avoided that.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
But I would totally do it and I would bitch the
entire time and make someonerecord it and like put it online
and tag funko like I.
Just it's there you go.
Because yeah, like why doesn'tcarla have one?
Come on like she, why doesn'tcarla have one?
Why doesn't inco madoria haveone?
Why doesn't um come on aquarius, who doesn't want a mermaid

(07:13):
funko pop?
I, I do.
I want that funko pop.
It's tough.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
It's lots of questions, lots of questions.
To start on the episode.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I love that we're beginning this interview with me
just bitching.
Hey guys, my name is JessicaCavanaugh.
Why don't I have a pop?

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Listen to me talk about why Anyway.
It's so valid though it's sovalid though.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
It 100% is.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Thank you.
I appreciate you guys forhumoring me.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
But, phil, I know that we are excited to ask our
guest about a lot of questionshere and, jessica, I'm going to
kind of kick things off with ourfirst one.
Obviously, being a part of sucha big series in any way, shape
or form is always awesome.
But I'm curious for you.
You named off a couple prettybig franchises, from my hero to

(08:03):
uh attack Titan to One Piece,and that only kind of scratches
the services of some of theproperties that you have gotten
involved in.
I'm very curious, like, as wetalk about some of your journey
into this, was anime like athing for you that you expressed
interest in when you wereyounger?
Was it something you stumbledon from your craft?

(08:25):
A lot of times when we talk tovoice actors, it always goes
back to theater in one way oranother.
I'm just very curious what yourpath kind of has looked like
and what that path to anime andvoice acting in general kind of
looked for you from thebeginning to now.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, I'm very typical.
I grew up doing theater totaltheater nerd.
I've been living my best lifesince Wicked came out.
Like you know, I'm just dorkdork dork dork and was working
professionally in Dallas onstage.
I was doing a show.
I was doing a show and the guythat I was dating a guy in the

(09:08):
show and he happened to bedirecting a show at Funimation
and he needed to replace anactor real quick and he needed
someone who could do a Britishdialect and could do it quickly
and could cold read.
And we had worked togetherbefore and we were dating and he
was like hey, listen, listen,can you come in and do this?
And so I came in and did like apaid audition and got it and

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had never seen an anime in mylife, didn't even know what we
were talking about.
Like and I hate saying thisbecause now that I'm in this
world, I know that there arepeople that are just like what?
Like?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
why does someone like that get to?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
why and I feel for them, I really do Because I
legit did not know what the crapI was there to do.
Like I was just like what, andthen, and the show that I ended
up getting cast in was BlackButler, which was like no small
show either, but I had no ideaidea, like how cool that was, or
so it took me some time toreally understand, like, oh,

(10:10):
like this is, this is a reallycool.
Like it took me time tounderstand that it was a skill,
a whole separate skill thanacting on stage.
I mean, obviously I knew that,but like I don't like listening
to the first few things that Idid at Funimation because, wow,
they're not good, like they arenot very good, because I didn't

(10:34):
quite get it yet.
Like just that it's a wholedifferent skill set being in a
booth than being on stage and itjust there's a learning curve
there, I think.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Now that that makes a lot of sense.
Phil will tell you like thebeginning episodes of this
podcast scrub from the Internet.
Cannot find them.
First year, maybe year and ahalf, completely wiped off the
face of the earth, and for goodreason, Phil, yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, see, it's not like you can't go into
Crunchyroll and be like, hey,could you delete that episode
for me please?
Right, we have the ability tobe like, nope, we don't want
that out there anymore.
So you know, you've obviouslyyou just mentioned, you know you
were in the theater realm and alot of questions that pop up at
conventions that we work.

(11:19):
A lot of people are asking youknow, how do I get into voice
acting?
And it seems like the answer isalways start with an acting
class.
So is that always what yourecommend?
And kind of where do you thinkpeople should go from there once
they at least get the basicsdown as far as acting itself?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
acting and who you are as an actor, then I think
it's time to take an actual,like voice acting class with
someone, like with someone whohas the credentials, not someone
who's like, done a couplecommercials and that's it, but
like someone who knows whatthey're talking about and really
just go sit under them and taketheir class, learn everything
about this industry, because,again, it's so specific And's
it's not.
You know, this industry is notthat industry.

(12:07):
So, yeah, I, I mean I wouldencourage people to find someone
, even online.
You know that you can takeclasses from and really just ask
a bazillion questions and learnfrom and learn how to, where to
find these auditions and how tosubmit and what you need to set
up at home and all of thatstuff.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
But, yeah, before you do any of those things, you
gotta, you gotta be an actoryeah, and I am actually at the
time, I think, when we, when wemet back at infinity con, I had
not I either not started yet orwas in the very early stages
where I I've started takingacting classes to then
transition into looking intovoice acting.
So I took a couple of classeslast year which were great.

(12:49):
I took a beginners and then anintermediate class and then, you
know, kind of like anintroduction to voiceover class
as well, and I kind of wanted toask you selfishly, wanted to
ask you this question because Iasked another person who does a
lot of voiceover their opinionon this and what the um?
The instructor in the actingclass that I took shout out to
rebecca.
She's been on from creativeveins.

(13:09):
They were teaching the meisnertechnique and from what I from
from the some of the feedbackthat I've gotten, is meisner is
not necessarily the besttechnique to learn in terms of
voice acting.
I just kind of wanted to getyour opinion on that and maybe
if there was something else thatyou would recommend that I
would look into, that wouldmaybe help a little more.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Oh man, that's so.
That's such a great question,because, yeah, because, meisner,
you are focusing on reacting towhat's in front of you, and if
you're in a booth by yourself,what are you exactly?
Yeah, however, I like thatmakes complete sense.
However, I'm Meisner trained.
So you said Meisner, I'm like,oh, I got that book around here
somewhere.

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But yeah, it is.
It is the technique that Ichoose to use when I'm acting on
stage and I mainly ended upfollowing choosing that
technique for stage because itwas the closest thing to what I
was already doing and it kind ofjust put it was.
I was able to just kind of puta name to it and put a method to

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the madness.
So for booth work, yes, yes,it's about reacting, but
Stanford acting.
But stanford miser god, here Igo.
Stanford miser um said thatacting was oh see, now I'm gonna
get it messed up.
I'm gonna mess up thisbeautiful quote, this beautiful

(14:33):
famous quote, but basicallyabout something, something, and
make believe oh no, oh no, no,now I have to google it.
No, like this, it'sunacceptable that I can't quote
that now.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Hold on, sanford, I feel like a failure as an acting
student that I can't rememberexactly how to quote this
anymore.
I guarantee if we just askedyou about this on the street,
you'd be able to recite it frombeginning to end.
But because we're in thissession right now, that's why
it's escaped your mind.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Here it is.
No, that is exactly true,because I mean, I taught acting
classes and said this all thetime, so I don't know, um, it's
nerves.
Acting is the ability to behaveabsolutely truthfully under
imaginary circumstances.
That's it right, that's whatacting is, and and so really,
meisner depends a lot on theimagination.
So I think as a voice actor,you could still use that in the

(15:32):
booth and I think that's whatI've done is just go full in on
the imagination and you stillhave to do your preparation and
stuff.
If you know the scene thatyou're about to go record, you
can still do the Meisner prepwork to get yourself in the
right frame of mind beforehand.
So you can still do all thatpre stuff.

(15:52):
And then I don't know you'rereacting to.
Yeah, you have to kind of useyour imagination as far as what
you're reacting to, the actualvoice you're reacting to, unless
that person is already recorded.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
I was going far as what you're reacting to, the
actual voice you're reacting to,unless that person is already
recorded, I was gonna say yeah,then you can, then you can use
that, so right but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I I feel like they're .
It's still worth.
I wouldn't throw that, throwthat baby out with the bath
water.
Quite yet I feel like they'remeisner.
You can manipulate it to adegree to use for your purposes.
And now we've lost all but likeone listener to this podcast,
which was me.
So you know that I've talkedabout Sanford Meisner for

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approximately 8,000 hours, so no, no, definitely not.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
And yeah, no, thank you for for that.
I definitely plan on going backto that studio.
We were very lucky to have astudio like creative veins here,
where there is a very tightknit community when it comes to
film and filmmaking and actingand that.
So, yeah, I definitely want toreturn to that and, like I said,
I do have the book, so I doplan on reading through that as
well.
So, yeah, I appreciate that.
Yeah, it's good time.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, and kind of following up on it, like as far
as everything that you havelearned over your career and
everything you're continuing tolearn in that space.
I'm very curious what you thinkabout one of the first voice
actors we had on was MatthewElkins and he plays Zontetsu in
Blue Lock and it was a greatconversation.

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But we actually jumped into aconversation that I feel you
might be able to give someperspective on, because he gave
us the feeling and discussedopenly.
Sometimes he kind of getstypecast into certain roles and
obviously there are pros andthere are cons to that and
obviously we talked about a lotof the motherly figures that you

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do voice.
I'm very curious what yourthoughts are about some of that
typecasting that goes on in thebusiness obviously the benefits,
but also the drawbacks, andI'll follow that up with.
Is there anything that youreally want to sink your teeth
in that you haven't to kind ofadd to that dialogue?
So very curious what yourstance is and what you're still

(18:02):
looking to explore in yourcareer.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Liz, this is a great question.
So it's, it's interesting.
I've always been a littleconfused by it because I don't
consider myself a very motherlytype of person.
I am a mom.
I am a mom, he's 25.
But even looking back this isonly hindsight could have told

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me all this.
But like looking back, even inhigh school, I grew up doing
theater.
I was always the freaking momor the aunt or whatever.
So there's like something aboutmy vibe.
That's just like Somethingabout my vibe.
That's just like you're warm,you're comforted by it, and so I
have learned to appreciate thisover the years.

(18:53):
It was interesting because whenI first left high school and was
a young woman, I was finallygetting cast as an ingenue
Because I wasn't being comparedto all the other girls my age
for all the roles of all of theages.
I was finally able to justaudition for roles that were my

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age and not play the 50-year-oldgrandmother because there were
only 18-year-olds to play them.
So suddenly I found myselfplaying ingenues and I was
really grateful for having toplay character roles all those
years, because I think it mademy, when I was playing, ended up
playing leads and being thecentral character.
I don't know, it was neverenough for me to just like play

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the straight man or whatever youknow, or like.
That's a person, that's a wholeperson.
And I think that playing thosekind of roles that I was
typecast in ended up helping mecreate more depth for the roles
I play later on.
But it was interesting becausepretty quickly in the voice
acting world I landed in theexact same thing that I did when

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I first started theater, when Iwas a kid.
And again, I don't hear it, Idon't listen to my voice on
recording and be like, what amotherly sound, what a man, wow,
I do not hear it, I don't butlike.
But I listened to the work inthe shows that I'm recording and
I'm like well, that works, youknow, like, I get that, that

(20:16):
works.
So I don't really get thetypecasting so much, but then I
hear the product and Iunderstand the why, but I don't,
I don't know, I am not, I'm notmad at it, and maybe it's
because I am a mom and I'm in my40s and I'm you know, I'm not
like in my 20s voicing thesemoms.

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It feels correct that I'm doingthese roles now.
That I'm doing these roles now,I think that if I had started
voice acting when I was 22 andwas playing these same roles
from that age or something.
I'd be like annoyed and want toplay all the cute girls.
But I, I love, I like playingcharacters that are a little bit

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different, that are maybe notin the mainstream, and I like
playing characters you know, soit's fun, yeah yeah and and I
know we didn't, I don't feel Ican, can't speak for you, but I
don't think we got motherly vibe.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
But what we did get when we met you, because we were
going to talk to you for liketwo minutes we're very big on
like checking out vibes and justintroducing ourselves and like
we sat at your table for longenough to invite you on the
podcast.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, y'all were there for a while.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
It was fun and you know, one of the things we kind
of felt was just that trustingvibe, that just naturalness, and
I think those are maybe somequalities in those characters
that you play, that I'm sure, asyou're getting that work,
people are keeping you in mindbecause they can trust you to
play those and that's whatMatthew had shared in his

(21:47):
experience.
But, phil, that was kind of mytakeaway as well to that whole
experience meeting Jessica forthe first time.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah, just very welcoming.
And I think that is somethingthat when you're doing
conventions, so because we areat so many, right, eric, we can
gauge who is a little bit newerto it and maybe who's been on
the scene a little bit longer.
You're talking about a lot ofpeople, a lot of kids, a lot of
younger kids that are not usedto approaching people, and

(22:15):
you're talking about some, likea show or a character that they
like, absolutely love, and theythis is like the first time they
maybe build up the courage togo and talk to somebody on their
own.
You know, and that's why Ithink the convention space is so
special, um, and it's really Ialways compare it to not only
for the convention goers but forus, right, eric, like there are

(22:35):
some, there are people that weonly get to see a convention, so
it's like a mini high schoolreunion, but like people you
want to see, not like highschool friends, but you get to
do that three or four times ayear if you're lucky.
So I I.
That's why I always love thethe convention space.
But staying on the topic ofcharacters, I want to ask,
whether it be in voice acting oron stage, what type of

(22:57):
characters are you most drawn toand also what kind of character
that you haven't gotten to playyet.
What type of character wouldyou do you want to try and take
on?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
I guess the simplest answer there is, like I have
played a lot of reallyvulnerable characters Leading up
to now.
I've done a lot of crying, I'vedone a lot of just really sad,
deep stuff on stage and I ammore interested in playing

(23:33):
fighters than I am in playingvictims.
I guess that's what it is,that's what it is.
I think it's like at this pointin my life, as as a woman too,
you know where it's like.
Yes, there are brutal storiesabout women who you know and
we've got to tell these stories.
And I'm all about telling thesestories, but I want to play

(23:58):
someone who keeps fighting andwhose entire purpose in telling
the story is not to be thevictim.
That's a lot.
Back in the day, I played Laurain the Glass Menagerie, and
she's just a classic play andshe's just a character that is

(24:20):
just made to feel so small byeveryone on stage.
And as an actress, as a femaleactor, we have to fight that all
the time this tendency to tryto make ourselves smaller, the
instinct to make ourselvessmaller and more palatable and
more whatever, and I think thatit's that, and everything in me

(24:42):
in my 40s is just rebellingagainst everything to do with
that, and so I think I just kindof have no more, no more
interest in crying in the corneron stage.
You know, I also.
I think that has to do with thefact that I played the central
character in a play about my ownlife.
That was about a very dark timein my life that led me to have

(25:07):
to be me at my weakest pointevery night on stage over and
over and over again, and I thinkthat can just start to, that
can get old and you realize youneed to just play something
different.
Your body needs to feelsomething different than that.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I think I learned a lot about the body-mind
connection to playing that role,just realizing we can't go on
stage and play trauma everynight and be 100% okay over time
as somebody, as I mentioned,who is raising a daughter who is
about to be an adult and, as wetouched on before we even got

(25:47):
started in the pre-show, we'reentering a very vulnerable time
for everybody, and having theimportance of those type of
fictional characters and alsocharacters that are represented
in what happened in your ownlife, like you mentioned, are so

(26:08):
important, and I think that'sgreat and it is nice, right,
eric, that we are seeing thisturn into, uh, into characters,
that into female, you know,characters that are stronger,
that are good representationsand and also good role models as
well.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
It's it's just so important yeah, and I mean
obviously there's so many morethings for a strong character,
let alone a strong femalecharacter, than being powerful,
right, having superpowers, likethere's so many other ways to
express that.
Jessica, I'm very curious, kindof adding on another dimension
but also tying it into fandoms.

(26:40):
I know that there are a lot ofpersonal experiences that you
may draw from for performances,but I also know that there are a
lot of things that you arepassionate about or grew up on
that you always may go back to.
There may be a franchise, aperformance, a story, something
that you kind of draw to or aredrawn to.

(27:00):
I'm very curious you know, overthe years, what has that looked
like from a young age to evennow, anything that you're
extremely passionate about oryou always think about from a
fandom or pop cultureperspective?

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Okay, yep, two big ones.
Star Wars Anything Star Wars.
My first movie physically in atheater I was four was the
Empire Strikes Back, and I don'tknow, it's like a part of me.
I can't even I get emotionaltalking about it.

(27:40):
So Star Wars anything Star Wars.
And then little women.
The classic novel Little Womenhas just been a book that meant
the world to me as a kid andthen there's been a lot of
iterations of it over time inmovies and then I was able to, I

(28:03):
was asked by the theater whereI grew up to adapt it for the
stage and go there and direct it.
And that's how I ended up inFlorida, working in Florida for
a while, was working with them.
I don't know, it's just, it's astory about coming of age and
these four women, these fouryoung women, just finding
themselves in the world and it'sjust, it's literally just
timeless, like it just.

(28:23):
And Joe, the central character,is kind of what I was talking
about.
You know she just she's kind ofout of place in time, you know
she's ahead of her time andalways having to fight for
what's right and for what shewants, and yeah, so anything to
do with that book or to do withStar Wars just kind of lights me

(28:44):
up inside and gets me excited.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, those are two great examples.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Are you still actively keeping up with Star
Wars and what is your current?
What is your take on thecurrent state of the franchise?

Speaker 1 (29:00):
That is the question.
Here we go, how do we?

Speaker 3 (29:02):
feel now.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
All right, we'll be back in an hour.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
ladies and gentlemen, I know, yeah, if you're not a
star wars fan, come on back intwo hours.
Uh, yeah, oh.
So I mean, I I have reallyliked some of the new shows.
I've okay.
So, yes, I'm caught up.
I'm not on all of the new showsthough, but I'm caught up on all
of the movies, obviously, and Ihad a lot of hope for the Force

(29:35):
Awakens and those three films.
I liked the Force Awakens.
I was still hopeful during thesecond one, and then I feel like
the third one just kind of shatupon all of our dreams.
So that's where I stand on thatand, however, I will still
watch any of them.

(29:55):
Like I'm still like it's StarWars, like give me the blue milk
, like I will just give me it.
But I just the thing that thething that depresses me a little
bit is that I liked where theywere headed with the whole idea
of the forces.
Not this lineage, it's, it'snot, it's it's in everyone.
You know that.
That's that moment with thelittle boy at the end of the

(30:18):
second one, where you know thisrandom slave kid or whatever,
and it's like you think, ooh,like the force could be for him
too, like the forces for him.
And then, and then that lastmovie and it all goes back to oh
no, it was palpatine.
So it's all like bloodline andelitist all of a sudden again
and it's just like grossremember somehow he returned

(30:40):
somehow I mean it's just oh boyyeah, I just it just took the
larger question of like that.
I thought that I loved that theywere trying to answer which is
like is the Force only for this?
Like special few or whatever,or like is it something that we
can all find an attachment andengagement with, and I thought

(31:02):
they were going to answer itlike no, the Force is in all of
us, if we dig deep enough, or wecan all be very, very powerful
the force was the friends wemade along the way uh, yeah,
exactly yeah, so it's, it's it'srough and phil loves to ask
star wars fans that question,because he asked me and everyone
else.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Christina kelly uh, at brick city anime festival,
who voices?
Who is her, my hero character?
Why am I blanking?
Eric?
She voices.
Eric will look that up, but Iasked her christina kelly, yeah,
that was the okay.
She's in my hero, right.
She was in the my hero panel,right am I making that up?

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I think you're making that up, I'm fairly certain
Anyway.
You sure it wasn't Leah Clark?
Maybe Leah Clark plays Toga.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
No, it wasn't Leah Clark.
No, because I asked somebodyI'm pretty sure it was Christina
what their current opinion wason Star Wars.
Now, oh no, it was ChristopherWaycamp.
I asked Christopher Waycamp howdo you?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
feel about it.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
It totally is, but they were all sitting at the
table and I asked how do youfeel about the Skywalker saga,
yes or no?
And he said pass.
So that's how.
I just like asking thatquestion because I mean, my
franchise is Jurassic Park andthe Jurassic series is in a very
similar state to Star Wars.
Right now there's not as manyshows, there's like an animated

(32:25):
TV show and that's basically it.
But again, jurassic World comesout, very similar to the reboot
, force Awakens To Force Awakens.
You know it's a lot ofnostalgia, it's a lot of retread
, but it's great.
You know, the second moviecomes out Uh-oh, a little
worried about that.
And then the third one comesout, dominion, and it's I mean,

(32:51):
obviously it made a billiondollars because it's jurassic,
um, but it's still.
It's still not very good in myopinion.
So I like asking that questionbecause we have a lot in common
with star wars fans and I'm avery casual star wars fan.
I I really did stop watchingthe tv shows just because it's
so much to keep up with.
Very similar to like marvelthere's just so much now, so I
would return to the movies.
You know we are gonna get oneeventually.
I will return to the theatersto watch it, because I think
there is something very specialabout seeing star wars films in

(33:13):
theaters.
But these major franchisesright now are?
They don't seem to be.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
They don't abide by the less is more rule anymore
and they're just not as specialanymore, especially marvel oh
god, yeah, I know I kind of gaveup on, kind of gave up on
marvel a while back too, becauseI just couldn't, I just
couldn't, I did.
There are enough hours in theday they're really kind of how
it's kind of how I am with thestar wars shows as well, but I

(33:40):
mean, like I make time for whenit's something I really want to
see.
You know, like I had to watchObi-Wan Kenobi type of thing, I
had to watch Ahsoka.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I love Ahsoka.
The thing for me for Star Wars2 is like, as a little girl I
mean, carrie Fisher waseverything.
She was everything LikePrincess Leia.
There was no other characterlike her.
Like right out of the gate,bossing these boys around, like
get out of my way.
Like right out of the gate,bossing these boys around, like

(34:08):
get out of my way, you know,like I can rescue my own damn
self, like what?
Like no one was playing, therewas no, sorry, I'm like changing
my little desk thing aroundlike there was just no one like
her.
That was a girl, you know.
So I was just obsessed with thatwoman and so that, which, of
course, made that last moviejust so much more depressing,
because we all had heard that.

(34:29):
You know, the original plan hadbeen that she would be like
they were finally gonna like gointo how she was powerful.
Anyway, this is.
We do not.
We do not need a whole podcastabout me whining about we need
more leia.
But, um, yeah, but leia wasreally.
She was it for me like she shewas, she was the shit very much
ahead of her time.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
That character like yes, yeah, and then he never
really wrote.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
He never really wrote another one that could compare
like I don't know.
Yeah, padme wasn't that well no, and then dave filoni wrote
ahsoka, who was just likeeverything, like she's the only
one who female character thathas like come close.
But she's amazing, like, what acharacter.

(35:14):
She's so great.
But anyway, I'm just nowrewatching Clone Wars because my
boyfriend had never seen it andthis was unacceptable to me.
So we are watching.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Just going through it .
Yeah, it's good that you'repart of both, because I know
Clone Wars was something that Inever fully got into, like I had
watched like spare, likeoccasionally, but never like a
full run through, and I feltreally sad when it ended.
How good it ended that I wasn'ta part of that.
But then now seeing Ahsoka andand knowing I missed out Between

(35:45):
that and like Rebels, I'vedefinitely thought about jumping
back Rebels is so worth it.
Like really good stuff.
Yeah, and it's because I'vealways had a love for Star Wars,
but they've lost me.
They've lost me with those lasttwo movies and a couple of the
shows.
The Book of Boba Fett was likeOne of my last draws.

(36:08):
I think uh, but the mandaloriando not, don't, do it to
yourself.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
It's also just like half of a mandalorian season so,
and I didn't even watch it.
Oh yeah, just from what eric?
Yeah, if you watch themandalorian.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
You might, you might have to.
There's like literally aepisode and a half.
That's just the mandalorian,which is crazy for a boba fett
show that is interesting, allthe all that.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
It's like you have to watch every single one of those
shows in order to know what,every what's going on, which is
where Marvel, it was theirbiggest strength until it wasn't
.
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
And I think that is, um, that that's the most
unfortunate part, but I did.
It was funny that you broughtup Leia because I wanted to
bring up, you know.
You said Joe from Little Womenand then you said Leia.
Were there any other likefemale characters specifically
that really spoke to you whenyou were younger that you kind

(36:57):
of look back on and that youthink fondly of?
Or, if not, those were maybeyour main two.
Are there any characters inrecent media that have kind of
had a similar draw in youropinion?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I also really loved Anne Shirley from Anne of Green
Gables when I was growing up.
She's very like Joe in LittleWomen too.
They have kind of a similarspirit.
Those were kind of my ones whenI was a kid and then as an
adult, well, that is.
Yeah, literally nothing iscoming to my head and I know

(37:35):
that I see things all the timethat I'm like what a fantastic
character.
Can't think of anything basic,probably anything that Cate
Blanchett has ever played,because that woman, yeah, god, I
can't think of character.
I'm thinking of what are likeoh so, like things like Lord of
the Rings and stuff like that.
I'm trying to think of likelarge, like franchise shows that

(37:56):
we're thinking about likearchetypes and stuff.
I mean I really loved Daenerysuntil the end.
That's usually the consensus.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I haven't seen it, but I'm halfway through my Game
of Thrones journey right now andI'm just waiting for 8, so I'm
at 4 right now.
Just got past the Red Weddingand yeah actually.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
I have seen the last episode of Game of Thrones.
I saw the series.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Phil did.
I was at my sister's.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I was at my sister's and she was like oh, I'm about
to watch the series finale, Doyou want to just stay?
I was like sure, she's callingme right now.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
We did have a joke for a while where we were going
to start a podcast.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
I was going to watch it in reverse and I was going to
start a podcast called Throneof Games and I was going to
watch the show in reverse.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
A dream is still alive until someone takes it
from us.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
That would be like reverse traumatizing.
I don't know, that's just likewow, that show.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Wow, yeah, that's a big wow that show Wow, wow, yeah
.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, that's a big one, but that's not bad.
Daenerys isn't a bad choice atall, phil.
I think there's definitely beena lot of examples for us.
I mean most recently likeArcane.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Arcane characters are great.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Has been a great example.
But yeah, Phil, anything youkind of want to throw in here.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, I want to throw in here, yeah, I want to throw
out a fun question that we ask alot at conventions and because
you mentioned Wicked earlier,and I want to know, because of
course you have the theaterbackground In terms of a musical
that you think that could makethe jump and be similarly

(39:44):
successful to Wicked.
We've also seen John Chu tackleIn the Heights.
Of course In the last few yearswe've had, you know, tick Tick
Hamilton, tick Tick Boom to adegree as well, but what musical
theater show that maybe hasn'tmade that jump to a film that
you think could work and havesimilar success or at least be,
you know, relatively popular,have similar success or?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
at least be, you know , relatively popular.
Well, you know, what I wouldlove to see made into film is
Ragtime.
Are you guys familiar withRagtime?
I don't think so.
Oh my God it was.
I mean, it's like my favoritemusical ever and that, and it
like it smushed out Les Mis, youknow, like that was my favorite
musical ever from the time Iwas in seventh grade.

(40:26):
But Ragtime it was a novel andit was turned into a musical in
the late 90s and just thissoaring epic music like, just
like the kind of thing whereyou'll hear a number and be like
oh my God, that was incredible.
And then, two numbers later, youhear another one.

(40:47):
You're just like, oh my god,like, and it's, it's about
racism.
You know, it's about racism atthe turn of the century, turn of
the 20th century, in Americaand it's still obviously just as
relevant as it ever freakingwas um, which is why I think it
should definitely be turned intoa movie and it and just the

(41:09):
music is just astounding, likeit's insane.
So yeah, if you ever want tolook up ragtime, they just
rebooted it on broadway for likea limited engagement with this
crazy cast.
So you'll probably find somestuff if you looked at a little
search on yeah, yeah, I was just, I was just looking it up.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
It's like.
It's like broken up by likethree different groups or
cultures of people yes, it'sseen from the you're.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
You're seeing it from the perspective of, uh, white,
very entitled people and thenimmigrants, mostly jewish
immigrants, and then the blackpeople in new york at that time
and, yeah, it is just anincredible story and incredible

(41:52):
music, um, and it would make aninsane yeah, they do a lot of
those, um, they do a lot ofthose shows, a lot of musical
shows here in jacksonville, um,so I'd be very curious when that
might come up, if it's making aresurgence.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I, I know for me, you know, and actually I'm going to
, I'm going to, uh, keep it onWicked for one second.
Um, I'm going to get ask a yesor no question.
Uh, did you think that Wickedwas too long?
The adaptation, the movie?
Did you think it was too longthat they're breaking it into
two parts?
No, thank you.

(42:33):
Okay, the movie.
Did you think it was too longthat they're?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
breaking it into two parts.
No, thank you.
Okay, thank you.
I just wanted phil to hear thatspecifically.
That is the correct answer.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I don't know why you're directing that to me
specifically.
Phil hasn't seen the musical umI haven't seen the theater show
and he thinks thinks part one'stoo long.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Until I saw the actual theater show, Because
that's how I wanted toexperience it.
But everyone was like this isincredible.
So I saw it and I enjoyed it.
I had a good time.
I gave it a good grade.
What?

Speaker 1 (42:58):
was the grade.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I just didn't enjoy it.
A three out of five.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Okay, because when I give a three out of five, you
guys tell me that I'm shittingon the movie.
So I just want to make surethere's no double standards.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
No, your three out of five is different.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You gave the film Wicked a three out of five.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Correct, just barely above a halfway score.
Yes, correct.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
What are you scoring on?

Speaker 3 (43:21):
We use Letterboxd.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
No, but you specifically?
What's going on up here?
I thought it was too long.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I didn't really think some of the performances were a
little off and I just didn'tenjoy it as much as everybody
else did.
Again, I definitely don't thinkit's bad or anything like that,
but I definitely wish I hadseen the theater play first next
to this, as opposed to seeingthe movie first.

(43:49):
But again, everyone kepttalking about it.
So I was like, well, I'm gonnahave to see this.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, for contrast, this is one of those like me and
Phil are pretty in sync forrunning a podcast together.
We're pretty in sync with a lotof stuff.
This is one of those odd filmswhere we're not and I went in
expecting to give it like athree and a half, like I thought
it'd be okay, but it's a fourand a half out of five and it
could be a five.
I watched it for a second timethe other night.

(44:15):
It's just as magical.
It's one of the most magicaltheater experiences I've ever
had.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
I noticed so much more the second time I watched
it.
Because I think the first timeI watched it I was just kind of
overwhelmed by just the enormityof it.
You know, it was just justmassive.
But yeah, the second time Iwatched I noticed so many other,
so many new things like likethe cinematography, like this,
the different perspectives theywould choose to tell things from

(44:42):
the different, the use of coloroftentimes no-transcript for

(45:15):
ariana, because she's gonna loseto everybody's gonna lose to
emilia perez at the oscars andit just makes me very mad, so
yeah, so I have.
I have not seen amelia perez.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I can we're doing an episode on it because I had to
watch it.
I had to watch it after seeingthe nominations it was the
second most nominated movie,tied for the second most with 13
, and I was like I know for afact people hate this movie.
So I'm gonna watch it with anopen mind.
And the first 15 minutes I waslike, oh, we might have

(45:46):
something here.
And then it goes so off therails and I give it a one and a
half out of five.
I don't normally go under twofor movies Like.
It takes a lot for me to say amovie is objectively bad.
Right, this is not only bad,but for the demographic that
this movie is supposed to speakto, it's kind of highly
offensive.
It's very offensive and that'show a lot of people have

(46:10):
received that film.
The moral of the story it's avery old French director writing
a movie about a transgendercharacter in the Mexican cartel
and has no ties to either ofthose communities.
What do you think the recipe isgoing to be there?
Probably not going to be good,and that's how a lot of people

(46:32):
are looking at this film andit's, I would say, watch it to
be in the know of it.
Right Like as a recommendation.
I would not wish that onanybody.
It's a tough watch, but Philwants to watch it and now we're
going to just like, because 13nominations and and like what?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
the other thing that upset me like you said, this
took sing sing spot in the best.
Uh, you know best 2024 category, for sure.
So which was my favorite movieof 2024?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
so I didn't see it.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
oh gosh, it's so good .
I think it just finallyre-released in theaters because
for some reason A24 just did notput it in theaters in 2024.
So they finally re-released inthe beginning of the year, but
easily my favorite movie.
But to bring it back to thequestion about what can
translate well to film, myanswer was Come From Away.
That's always been my answer, Ithink.

(47:24):
Come From Away because of itssubject matter and also the
songs are outstanding, I thinkwould work very, very well.
And then, Eric I don't know ifyou talked to Jessica or not
about your pick I know youmentioned it to Thomas Sanders
while we were at oh yeah, that'sright.
In Gainesville.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Anytime somebody tells me they love musicals, I
shout out epic the musical, uh,which has just wrapped up.
It's a concept album that wasbasically spawned from tiktok
and it's, uh, very, very great.
It's about the odyssey.
So if you're an odyssey fan andyou're a musical fan, I just
highly recommend pulling it up.
It's broken up into ninedifferent sagas, about 40 songs,

(48:02):
and it's it's it's probably myfavorite musical.
So you mentioned ragtime.
For you it's very much recencybias, but, like I, I listen to
epic.
Epic the musical was my numberone artist, I believe in 2023.
It was my number one artistlast year and, based off the
pace in one month so far, itmight be again in my spotify rap

(48:25):
.
So we're gonna see how it goes.
But uh, I'm gonna have to checkit out now.
I recommend it.
Uh, if you're good withlistening to just like an
auditory, it's great.
If you want a visual, there'sso many amazing creators that
have made like animatics thatyou can find on youtube.
if you want a visual, um, youknow, appeal to it, but I highly
recommend it.
Check it out.
It's one of those things that Ishout off the rooftops whenever

(48:51):
I can and I'm very curious.
We've talked about a lot ofmusicals we do like.
Are there any that you don'tlike Like?
Is there anyone that likesticks out to you that was
really disappointing or maybedidn't work for you?
So I'm very curious what thatis, because everybody's favorite
musical is so different andeveryone's least favorite
musical is equally different.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, so mine's complicated.
So I hate Cats, I hate it.
But it's complicated onlybecause when I was in high
school, I went to a theaterschool and we actually had an

(49:33):
original cast member from, like,the Viennese company of cats or
something came and like taughtus the original choreography for
the opening number and welearned it and performed it and
it was hard and wonderful andwhat a great experience and
whatever.
But then kind of revisited themusical later as an adult and
just sat there and attempted towatch it and was just like what

(49:55):
am I doing with my time rightnow?
Like I don't, I don't, I haveno, I have no time for this.
So that's, it's real low, reallow for me on my list of things
that probably should never haveexisted.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Eric, you're going to be surprised because we haven't
necessarily talked about this.
The music I still very muchlove, but the farther we've
gotten away from dear evanhansen, like the grosser, I feel
about it and that's aconversation that a lot of
people have within within no,I'm gonna theater, but the story
itself is gross I'm not.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I'm not going to defend that, but the music's too
good that's why I said doesanybody have a map?
Is like my favorite.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Opening for like, cut it from the movie to piss me
off and to me and I'm just,maybe it's a different
generation thing or something,but, like to me, all of the
music a dear ev Evan Hansensounds like glorified Christian
rock.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I could kind of see that no 100%.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
It just does, I don't know, to me a lot of modern
musicals sound like that.
I don't know, I don't know.
And yeah, I hated that show.
Sorry about it, no it's okay.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
A lot of people do.
A lot of people were very upsetthat that won a tony.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
A lot of people were very upset that we and we could
all agree the story itself andthat's part of my thing is like
so we're gonna create this newamerican musical that a bunch of
high schoolers are gonna wantto jump on and do at their high
school, because I worked, I justworked at a theater for kids
and like they're chomping at thebit to do that show and I'm

(51:34):
like you know, like what in theworld are we doing?
However, you know, that said,we've also been having kids do
the musical Grease since 1980,whatever, and that can we just
talk about.
Wow, that's a disgusting show.
That.
That's a choice With a terribleterrible terrible message

(51:57):
Conform, conform and we'll allbe okay, Okay.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
This isn't the same thing, but we just had a couple
of guests on the other nightthat are going to be Wednesday's
episode and we're coveringPretty Woman in February.
Oh man.
Because neither one of us hadseen it and Eric had brought up,
like you know, richard GereKind of gross and I was like,
well, that was just like themale rom-com character in the
90s was he's pretty trashy, buthe's still here so I might as

(52:26):
well fall in love with him.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
He's got a lot of in love with him.
That is so true.
That's like the really rich guywho's just kind of a jerk and
can't yeah, like can't, so we'll, we'll commit, yeah, yeah, I
mean like why, even in the early2000s.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
so, and I think that's why we aren't seeing,
well, rom-coms are making alittle bit of a resurgence in
the last few years, but becausefor so long it was just written
that like well, this guy won'tgo away.
So Right.
We're together now.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Right, he's a stalker .

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
And so now it's great , I love him.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Yeah, my musical that I pretty much pinpointed
because I really don't dislike alot of stuff Like Phil will
watch a lot of bad things.
Like in general, I don't likewatching things that I like know
from people I trust are goingto be bad, because I just don't
want to have a bad time.
Yeah, everybody told me thismusical was great and I wanted
to walk out Hadestown, which isfunny.

(53:21):
I forgot you didn't likeHadestown, which is funny
because I just told you about aGreek mythological musical that
is probably my favorite.
That is probably my favorite.
I thought this was for me, theblend of the Greek underworld
and like the New Orleans, likemusic, didn't work for me.
The main song is the only songI really enjoyed, which is Wait

(53:43):
For Me, I believe I just Ididn't like it.
I saw it live and then I triedto listen to the cast album.
Just not for me.
I heard Jordan Fisher was thelead in some circles.
Maybe if I saw him, because Ilove Jordan Fisher, but even
then I don't think it would saveit and I feel really bad
because anytime I say that,people do gasp like you do.

(54:03):
Oh no, it's true.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I'm with you.
I saw the original cast in NewYork.
We were doing my show offBroadway for a few weeks during
the original cast run of thatand I was so excited and spent
my hard earned money and, yeah,and was so disappointed and and
it's not like they're everyonein that show was phenomenal, the

(54:25):
performances were amazing, youknow, but like, yeah, the show
itself just like didn't grab methe way that I expected that it
would and maybe that's cool like, oh, everything about it was
really cool I.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
The way I explained it was that it's a.
It's a if it's the most I needto win a tony musical that's
like, ever been created, likeit's clearly built to win a tony
award.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
That doesn't make it a good musical, though yeah, I
just found telling the story inthat way.
I didn't care about any of thecharacters.
I'm like I just kept waiting,to care about what was going on
and I just didn't.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, 100%.
I'm glad I'm not alone youdon't, you don't?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I feel like I do to see what you're saying yeah well
, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Phil didn't enjoy the first saga.
He listened to five songs ofepic, didn't it?

Speaker 3 (55:19):
wasn't really his vibe.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
He didn't like the wicked movie, so maybe you will
love hadestown.
Maybe it is for you, maybe,maybe maybe.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
So I mean, the thing is that there's part of me that
like wants to see hadestownagain, because, because I felt
like I should have liked it.
You know, like it's one ofthose things where you're like
what am I missing?
Like what am I missing?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
and it's tough too, because we talk about this all
the time and phil knows I'm abig stickler.
Like all of my opinions I doput with an asterisk if I've
only seen it once, like I'm verybig, especially for films that
if you haven't seen a movietwice it it's hard to cement an
opinion.
So, like whenever I give agrade for a movie like again
I've thrown a couple out on thisepisode I usually give about a
point, give or take, either wayup or down, because upon a

(56:01):
second watch I could feel muchdifferently.
Just like a lot of times.
It's really difficult becausein the line of work we do for
content we have to give opinionson, like a movie.
But there have been severalmovies like last year that the
longer I went away from it Islept on it, I like loved even
more because I got to reallythink about it and reflect on it

(56:22):
.
Or vice versa, I walked awayfrom a movie thinking, oh, that
was all right, and then I justfelt icky afterwards.
Like that that was reallyforgettable.
I didn't really like this, soit's a.
It's very much give or take,and I think that can be applied
to TV and and musicals as well.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Yeah, I think any piece of art, you know, because
it's art is all about the way ithits you.
It's so personal so it's kindof also could have to do with,
like whatever mood you were inthat day, like what happened on
your way to see that art, youknow that could completely shape
your, the way you're taking itin.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, I agree with that.
That was me for Moana too.
I was in such a good mood thatday, oh my gosh.
I gave it a three andobjectively it's much less than
it.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
It's a really bad sequel, but yeah, I just walked
out of the theater.
Like that wasn't as bad.
Oh, my girl, I just I justchoose to acknowledge that moana
2 never came out, yeah thatit's not part of, it's not canon
.
That's what I, that's what I'llgo with.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
So it's tough, jessica.
Have you ever uh, have you everlike, like?
What is your disneyrelationship like?
Everybody's disneyrelationship's always so
different, kind of wrap wrappingup some of our questions yeah,
what is?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
that I was raised in tamp, born and raised in tampa.
So you know, we we jump, wejump over there all the time and
so, yeah, big, big disney girl.
I love the old stuff, but to megolden age is always going to
be like aladdin, little mermaid,that whole era of um stuff that
came out Still up on it,because my son is very much a

(57:54):
Disney guy.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
So yeah, yeah, I think they are right now it's
kind of disappointing notdisappointing, but it's a bummer
, because I think they weretrending very, very high, like
they were doing very, very well,and then recently they are
stuck in this obviously a sequelera, where they just don't want
to make anything original andthen when they do put original

(58:18):
stuff out, nobody sees it.
So you know, like I very muchlove Turning Red, eric loves
Elemental.
Luca, I thought was pretty good, but also Soul Soul, I thought
was very good as well.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
See, and I didn't see half of those, I feel like
they're just church.
They turn them out so fast,exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah, they released them all.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
On Disney+ yeah, they were COVID-era films.
They did release them intheaters, but at that point like
it's too late.
That's why I'm glad Encanto gotlike a revival after you know
it was a theater for a littlebit eric.
Eric very much hates.
In panto it's literally, Iguess that is I think, I think,
I think it was made for mebecause, like the spanish, like
uh ties, I, I'm also colombian,I love lynn's music as well um

(59:02):
so I'm, I'm not, I'm not part ofthat lynn fatigue.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Uh, post hamilton.
Um, I think, like vivo phil islike I love movie, I talk about
that movie too yeah.
Vivo's great, yeah, no, justdid not work for me.
I didn't think.
Story structure wise, I'm alsoa very big villain type of
person when it comes to movies,so there has to be some type of
antagonist or force, and whenthat is just family trauma, like

(59:27):
in the movie that was made,that speaks to me.
I get it Now listen if shegrabbed a sandal and threw it, I
would have felt that throughthe screen.
But I also didn't love themusic After the Family Madrigal.
I really thought it was astrong intro.
Everything after that didn'treally hit.

(59:48):
I have grown fonder of it themore I've been away from it, but
it's just not one I very muchvibe with my other hot take
apparently is frozen uh, which,oh yeah, I'm not a big.
I'm not a big fan of the frozenmovies in general, let alone the
music.
So there, those are my two hotdisney takes that people do not
like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
No, I think, Frozen.
My whole thing is that I wishthat Rapunzel gets the shine
that Elsa yeah, Tangled isobjectively a better movie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Seriously, Tangled is a fantastic movie so good so
good yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
So I mean we're gonna get a live action of that, and
if Mandy Moore isn't involved,oh, then there's no justice in
the world.
Maybe I'll buy it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
But let's just uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
No, zachary levi right no, I cannot wait for the
rant on social media thatzachary levi is gonna go through
when they don't cast.
Oh my lord as.
Or zach braff.
Not that he's done anythingpersonally, but let's not stay
with the next part.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I think we've all aged out of that Braff.
Can we all please just move on?
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
So, but it was a bummer because, again, I think
they had a lot like a reallygood run.
Big Hero 6, you know some ofthose Inside Out, obviously,
inside Out 2, a good movie.
You can make the argument didwe need an Inside Out 2?
Probably not, but they seem tobe trending very, very well.
Zootopia, getting a Zootopia 2.

(01:01:18):
Don't need that, don't need it,don't need it.
We'll see.
But my, my thing that I havebrought up over the last couple
of years is that other studiosSony, dreamworks these other
studios are starting to lapDisney um in terms of their
projects that they're puttingout.
Uh, nimona is one of myfavorite movies that's come out
over the last few years.
Wolfwalkers is a great animatedfilm that is on.
I don't know these movies.
No, they're fantastic.
Nimona is on Netflix,wolfwalkers is on Apple TV and

(01:01:39):
our favorite maybe animated filmin the last 10, 20 years is
Puss in Boots, the Last Wish.
It is outstanding.
It is objectively a five out offive that we, every chance we
get.
Also, listeners take a shot,because every time we bring up
puss in boots, the last wishthey take, we have a drink in

(01:02:01):
the game.
It is outstanding.
So if you haven't, if youhaven't seen puss in boots, the
last wish, uh highly recommendit.
Animation, uh, the story, thecharacters, the characters.
It is stunning, it's abeautiful film.
So that's why these otherstudios are taking risks.
They're putting out reallybeautiful animation and it seems
like Disney's kind of copyingand pasting over and over again.

(01:02:24):
But also Moana 2 made a billiondollars or something, so Toy
Story 6 is going to make abillion dollars, no less, no
lessons have been learned heretoday?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
no, no, not at all.
But, phil, um, if do you haveany other questions, we can get
to those, but if not, I thinkthis is probably a perfect place
to transition to our games,which I'll have you present.
I think that's been working outfor both of us.
But do you have any otherquestions before we get started?

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
No, because we're probably just going to jump from
franchise to franchise.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
We had a very good jump there.
I told you, jessica, it's goingto be real easy.
We got Star Wars, we did Disney,we did yeah, so I think I've
covered everything, uh that Ithat I wanted to cover on my end
yeah, and Jessica, you've beengreat with those questions and I
think now is a great way tokind of cap off the episode with

(01:03:22):
uh two games that I puttogether.
Both of them are speed gamesthat I want to play with you,
and I'll explain that in aminute.
Uh one is going to be moviefocused and the other is going
to be TV show focused.
We're going to start with themovie game called.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Taglines, and this will be easy.
Phil will put it on the screenfor both you and our viewers and
we'll get started.
You both will be playing.
So Phil does not know theanswers to this.
And yeah, just some friendlycompetition.
I usually rig these againstPhil, but I tried to be pretty
even here, so it's not true?

(01:04:00):
It's not true, phil.
If we could go over the ruleson how to play for this year.
There are three things to know.
Each prompt will show both thetagline or one of the taglines
that's been used for the movieand a blurred image that may be
a clue, may not be in thebackground.
This is a speed game, so thisone's going to be real casual.

(01:04:21):
You get however many guessesyou want.
First person to answercorrectly gets the point.
So it'll come up, I'll say it,shout it out.
There are going to be six totalmovies.
The person with the most pointsat the end wins, and if we get
a tie, jessica wins becauseshe's the guest.
I don't know, I made that ruleup just now.
So, all right, are you bothready?

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Ready, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Okay, all right.
Well, phil.
The next slide was are youready?

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Oh, Then you didn't indicate that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Well, you know what?
You've done this before let'sgo.
Let's go to the first one.
The first movie's tagline islet the magic begin.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Fantasia no.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Let the magic begin.
Oh, I have no idea.
That's okay.
Can we get clues?
You said idea.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
That's okay.
Can we get clues?

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
you said I can give you clues, but I think you guys
can get this one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
You know, there were those movies that were about
magicians.
There were two of them thatwere very much alike, and one of
them had Hugh Jackman in it andthe other one had oh, Now.
You See, Me?

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
No, that's not.
Hugh Jackman.
Oh, the Prestige me?
No, that's not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Hugh Jackman.
Oh no, it is not the Prestige,the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Prestige, thank you, which is a top tier movie.
Yeah, really good, really goodyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
No, I would say the Prestige was probably what.
What was the Prestige rated R I?

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
would assume it's just such a blanket statement
for so many Is it Wish?

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
It's very broad.
I hope it is very broad.
Is that Wish?
The Prestige was PG-13.
This movie is lower than PG-13.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
It's not Wish.
No, it is not Wish Another.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Disney movie yeah, but that's like universally not
very much liked.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Yeah, this movie is rated PG.
This isn't like the beginningof a Cinemark AMC commercial.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Honestly, the fact that neither of you have gotten
it is kind of surprising.
I thought we were starting easyhere too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
I mean, is this like Harry Potter or something?
It is Harry Potter and theSorcerer's Stone.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
What a dumb tagline.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
It's so bland that could be anything.
We just demonstrated that.
Yes, other taglines was journeybeyond your imagination.
Journey beyond your imagination, the magic begins.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
November 16th, disney Universal Park.
Nothing to do with the movie.
I don't know what to tell youbeyond your imagination.
Uh, the magic begins.
These are just disney universalpark themes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
I don't know what to tell you.
All right, uh, jessica, up withone point, let's go to our next
one.
Tagline is no day but today ohcrap, it is red very good there
we go.
All right, I had to put a uhmusical film in there that's it,
but I wouldn't have gotten ityou know, all right, the next

(01:07:18):
one.
The blank saga continues.
No, it's not, the furious sagacontinues oh man I really I have
to, you have to tell me whichone the Force Awakens.
It is not, jessica.
Do you know which one it is?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
The epic saga continues.
The what saga continues.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
So Phil did confirm it is a Star.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Wars film.
So it is a Star Wars film.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Yep, he guessed, the Force Awakens.
It is not that oh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Okay, so it has to be Empire Strikes Back then.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
It is the Empire Strikes Back.
Yeah, my that.
Oh, okay, so it has to beempire strikes back.
Then it is the empire strikesback.
My first movie.
Very funny that we talked aboutthat.
I did have this in therebeforehand symmetry, symmetry
all right, let's go to our nextone, movie number four.
The greatest fairy tale nevertold that was fast and it is.

(01:08:13):
It is Shrek, amazing, alright.
Movie number five iconic terrorfrom the number one best
selling writer misery theshining the shining alright, we
love the shining.
All right, we love the shiningall right, this last one for all

(01:08:39):
the marbles 40 stories of sheeradventure 40 stories stories 40
stories, stories like buildingor stories like a book.
That hint will come much later40 stories.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Of sheer adventure.
I don't know what this is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Tower of Terror.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
I will tell.
No, I will tell you guys, thismovie is rated R.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Oh is it.
Is it, oh my gosh, oh my gosh,Is it Die Hard?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
It is Die Hard.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
What oh?

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
40 stories.
40 stories.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
The other tagline I almost used which I thought
would be too easy was 40 stories, 12 terrorists, one cop, all
right.
Well, uh, phil, that was theend of the game and you guys are
tied, which means jessica wins.
It's just, it's just how itwent uh, it's a very good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
It could have been like whoever has the most voice
acting credits wins the game.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
No, no, I didn't want to make it that unfair so.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
I had no way to know how that would turn out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
You got Die Hard.
I didn't know you'd get thatone.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
The stories is what yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Got it?
Yeah, all right.
So our next one is going towork very similarly.
It's a TV edition of a new gamewe're trying out called Zoom it
.
In this game, as many new gamesare played, we'll see how this
goes, how to play.
There are six total shows.
Their images are going to bezoomed in.

(01:10:26):
So I'm going to zoom into apart of the image and it's going
to be flipped to make it alittle bit harder, hopefully.
Take a look at the picturecarefully and shout out your
answer.
This is also a speed game, butyou're only going to get one
guess.
Okay, only going to get oneguess each.
So take a moment and lock inyour answer before you shout it

(01:10:46):
out.
The person with the most pointsin this one wins the game.
So, phil, are you guys ready?
Let's do it.
That was your cue.
I tried to specifically callyou out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
I see, why is there an?
Are you ready screen?

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
You know what Feedback has been taken.
I understand that maybe it'snot necessary.
I just thought, visually, lookat the eyes.
Okay, well, here's the firstone Friends.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Okay, I was going to say do we answer whenever?

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Yeah, it's a speed game.
Okay, gotcha, you didn't listento the rules.
Friends is correct, very good,so, yep, that is the scene from
Friends.
That's part of the couch in theclassic cafe.
All right, we'll go to our nextone.
It's okay If neither of you endup knowing I will throw out a

(01:11:46):
hint, a small one, but I'll giveyou guys a second to digest it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Is it no?
It's not, nope, is it no?
That's in the desert.
Oh, that was my one guess.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Not only is it not, nope, this is the TV edition of
TV.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Okay, so that didn't count.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
I won't count that one, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Can I guess the Walking Dead?
It is the Walking Dead, that'sfine.
Can I guess the Walking Dead?
It is?

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
The Walking Dead.
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Alright, yep, that is the poster image.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Oh yeah, that's that house that house.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Yep, alright, let's do our next one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Hey Arnold, hey Arnold.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
This is that's my show.
Sorry, jessica, oh my god.
This is hey Arnold.
This is that's my show.
Sorry, jessica, oh my god.
This is hey Arnold, that's myfavorite animated show of all
time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Never would have gotten it, never in a million
years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
I always throw a one in there.
That's a guarantee for PhilBecause, again, most of the
games usually rigged, it usuallydoesn't go very well.
So Alright, our next one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Just some clouds in the sky.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
There's no way I'm going to give you a second,
Jessica.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Jessica, this one's for you specifically, if that's
a big enough hit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Oh, is it my hero.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
It is my hero academia.
There it is.
Look at that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
You should have done like inside the apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Oh my God, I should have, but I was like it's the my
Hero clouds, I thought thatwould be, and then the little
corner of UA.
Yeah, that's on me.
But, jessica, great job, no.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
No, that's not on you , that's definitely on you,
that's definitely on me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
That's 2-2.
We're doing good here.
Let's move to our next one.
What's happening?

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
What?
What is this the office?

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
It is Okay, the office Nice.
There we go, all right there wego.
All right.
What a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
And our last one.
Oh, I know this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
I know this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Spongebob it is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
It is Spongebob.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
It is Spongebob.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
All, all right.
Oh, that's the top of thecrusty ground with a random I
don't.
Honestly, I'm really, I'mreally happy how this turned out
.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
It was the art style.
I was like I know this artstyle yes, that's totally what
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
I guess it is technically.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Well, no, it's not.
I thought it was like the sideof, like a boat, mobile or
something.
I did not think that it wouldbe.
I didn't even know that thatpipe existed inside the Krusty.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Krab.
Honestly, it could have beenanything.
All right, yeah, that is it.
Thanks for playing Great job.
All right, 1-1.
You both tied.
So Jessica won the first one,phil, you won the second one.
That's a great way for that toturn out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
I feel very good walking away from you know, I
don't feel humiliated.
I feel like we both did wellfor ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Exactly, we did solid .

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Good night Phil.
That's good.
Usually Phil is the one walkingaway, humiliated.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Yeah, no, it's usually.
That's usually how it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
This worked out, but I hope you both enjoyed that
game and Phil anything else.
I think this is a great kind ofclosing segment for our episode
, which has already been a tonof fun.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
No, jessica, this was so much fun.
Thank you so much for makingthe time and we hope to see you
soon.
I know you were actually at aJacksonville convention a couple
years ago and we didn't meetyou at the time.
I don't know that we were at.
It was at Bold City, con Eric.
She was at when it was still atToontown, which I don't know.
If you heard, jessica, theyturned Toontown into Pickleball

(01:15:45):
Courts, so it's not even like aspace you can write down anymore
.
They turned it into a gamethat's no one's going to be
playing by the end of 2025, soyou ever watch people play
pickleball it was.
Yeah, we saw it once.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
It was very confusing .
I don't know if they like it'sso.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
It was such a cool space.
I assume they've painted overall the cool artwork and
graffiti so again.
We haven't.
We haven't been in there sincethen, so that was a huge bummer,
but we hope to see you, uh,whether it be here in
jacksonville or or somewhereelse at another convention very,
very soon, and also have youback on, because clearly there
are many more fandoms that weneed to get into, uh, that we

(01:16:26):
just couldn't contain in thisone episode.
So please let everybody knowwhat you are up to, um, where
they can find you if you do haveany appearances coming up, but
also just your work in general.
Let our audience know wherethey can keep up with everything
you are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yeah, so you can find me on Instagram at Jessica
Kavanaugh just that's just myname.
I have a website that isfinally being constructed right
now as we speak, and it's justJessicaKavanaughcom, and it'll
talk about all my stuff mytheater career and voiceover and
whatever.
In terms of voice, I'm now inthe middle of.

(01:17:04):
I've gotten to go back to fairytale because my character came
back, so that's exciting, but Idon't have anything new coming
down the pipe right now, becausejust all this moving stuff and
everything.
But, yeah, what was I going todo?
Oh, I have a convention inApril in Minneapolis, in
Minneapolis.
I'll be there for that.

(01:17:25):
And then in July oh shoot,where's the one?
In July, on July 4th it is OnIndependence Day.
Okay Day, okay, yeah, it's AnimeMidwest in Chicago, so yeah.
So I have those two conventionscoming up and I'm just trying
to.
I'm just leaving the teachinggig behind and getting back into

(01:17:50):
freelance, so hopefully doingmore voice work and I'm also
going to be starting to coach,because I was doing a lot of
coaching for the last threeyears coaching actors for
auditions and things like thatand I found that I really loved
it and tended to have a goodtrack record of tracking of
coaching people and having themget stuff.
So my website they can look,you guys.

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Thank you for watching, firstof all, but second of all, if
you go to my website, you'llfind more information about
hiring me to coach you for yournext audition.

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