September 20, 2024 • 55 mins
In this episode of The Wayfinder Show, host Luis Hernandez talks with Liam Naden, a transformational coach from Denmark specializing in neuroscience, psychology, and practical strategies to help people achieve a balanced, purpose-driven life. Liam shares his journey from being a successful yet stressed serial entrepreneur to losing everything and discovering the true path to happiness and success by understanding the correct functioning of the brain. He explains the importance of identifying negative triggers and living in a state of biological homeostasis for optimal mental, emotional, and physical health. Liam challenges conventional wisdom on goal setting, suggesting that aligning with the brain’s natural mechanics leads to a life free of stress and full of creative solutions.
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Really simply put, stop allowinganything that makes you feel bad
into your environment.
And people say, well, do youmean just walk around and feel
good no matter what's going on?
Absolutely.
That's what you need to do.
And people say, well, I can't dothat.
I've got too many problems.
There's too much going on in mylife, but there are lots of
triggers.
And this is what I help peopleidentify is what the triggers
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are in their life, because mostof them they're not aware of.
Here are a couple of simpleones.
Watching the news.
How does that make you feel?
Does that make you feel bad?
Switch it off.
You've got rid of a trigger.
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Welcome to The Wayfinder Showwith Luis Hernandez, where
guests discuss the why and howof making changes that led them
down a more authentic path orallow them to level up in some
area of their life.
Our goal is to dig deep andprovide not only knowledge, but
actionable advice to help youget from where you are to where
you want to be.
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Come join us and find the way toyour dream life.
Welcome back to the Wayfindershow.
I'm your host, Louis Hernandez.
today I'm here with a specialguest from Denmark, Liam Naden.
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Liam is a transformational coachfor entrepreneurs, business
leaders, anyone seeking truesuccess in life.
His pioneering methods combineneuroscience, psychology, and
practical strategies.
To help ambitious successseekers, unlock their potential
and achieve breakthroughs tolive a deeply balanced purpose
driven life.
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Liam's own journey has taken himfrom the success of being a
serial entrepreneur as owner ofmore than 18 businesses and a
multimillionaire to losingeverything and becoming homeless
in his mid forties.
It was only as he rebuilt hislife and wealth in a much more
satisfying way that he realizedthe missing link to true
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success, the correct functioningof the human brain.
He is now the host of the letyourself off the hook podcast.
He is also the bestsellingauthor and creator of the four
part brain model and brainrebalancing, a process which
gets The four parts of the brainworking the way they should and
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bringing you the success youshould have.
Through his coaching programsand guest appearances, he now
teaches individuals from aroundthe world to understand that
there's a more natural way tosolve problems in all areas of
life.
It aligns with the brain'sability to find creative
solutions to challenges, ratherthan attempting to fight against
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them.
When you adopt this mindset, Youachieve true and lasting success
much more quickly and withoutthe limitations of struggle and
stress.
Liam, welcome to the Wayfindershow.
Hi, Louis.
Thank you very much.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah.
Thank you for being here.
your background when I was,looking at that really caught my
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attention, obviously, for, formany reasons, you, you, you've
had a lot of early success inlife and I can relate to that.
And then it seems like you lostit all.
I can relate to that as well.
and now figuring out how to makeit work, obviously you're
further along in that than I am.
I'd like to start at thebeginning.
Like when you were a serialentrepreneur, built some multi
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million dollar businesses, whatwere you doing?
What were they about?
Well, I was doing all sorts ofthings actually, after
university, I decided that Iwanted to figure out how to be
really successful in my life,how to have a great life.
I never wanted to settle, justget a job and be an average sort
of person.
I wanted freedom, to be rich,and to, travel and do exciting
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things.
So I got into my own businessesand did all sorts of things,
from having a wine business,importing and selling wine.
in New Zealand, my home country,to owning a, a hostel for the
travelers, to having retailstores, to having a horse
trekking business where we usedto take people through the
mountains of New Zealand, peoplefrom all around the world and
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training and coaching and,different businesses.
But I noticed was, as I wasbuilding up all these
businesses, was that I wasmanaging to create a lot of
success for myself, but I alsohad a lot of problems and
stress.
at the same time as I wasworking hard on my businesses
and, making money.
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I was also something of asuccess seminar junkie, I used
to go to lots of seminars by allthe self help gurus and study
really anything I could.
I used to do courses and readbooks.
I had a great library of,coaching programs and books on
personal development, peakperformance, goal setting,
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motivation.
how to change your subconsciousmind, how to reprogram yourself,
and also a lot of things to dowith spirituality as well, like
meditation and the law ofattraction So I was doing pretty
well, I thought, and I didachieve a lot of freedom in my
life and a great lifestyle.
I thought I really understoodwhat success was.
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But a funny thing happened in mymid 40s because it was about
that time I remember this dayreally clearly It was one of
those moments in your life whereeverything changes because I
remember at the time I was justputting the finishing touches on
my dream home, It wasn't quitefinished, but it almost was.
And I had a music room in thishome as well.
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This beautiful, big house out inthe countryside.
I remember going into my musicroom.
it was a beautiful sunny day,and the view through these big
windows was straight out ontothe mountains in the distance.
And I remember thinking, onthis, at this particular moment,
very clearly, because it was abeautiful sunny day, but I
remember thinking, I've done it!I've achieved my dream.
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It was almost my dream to havethis house exactly the way it
is, with its own music room.
I've got several businesses, andthey were all working.
I've got all this freedom, I'vegot all this money.
But why aren't I happy?
Why is it that I don't feelhappy?
Why is it, instead of feelingsatisfied with what I had and
good about my life, I feltabsolutely terrible.
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I was so stressed, I was almostshaking.
And I thought, this isabsolutely crazy.
What's this all about?
This can't be what I signed upfor.
Life has to be easier than this.
I signed up to be happy.
Not to have all this.
success and be totallymiserable.
And I remember, I don't know ifit's a little voice or myself
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Maybe it'd be better to justthrow all of this away, start
all over again and really go andfind your soul, because that's
what it felt like was my energy.
My life force was being drainedout of me.
I had all these things on theoutside that I was managing and
things appeared to be going wellI should have been happy and
enjoying it, but I just feltthis energy draining out of me
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because I had lots of problemsto deal with.
I had problems in my marriage.
I had problems in my businessand I just felt like I had
problems.
So I felt I couldn't enjoy.
my success.
So I said, you know, I'd reallyprobably rather just get rid of
everything.
Well, as they say, you have tobe careful what you ask for,
because it was within a fewweeks that it all collapsed.
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I lost everything.
The businesses went, the housewent, the music room went, the
marriage went, it all justcollapsed.
And I had to move back in withmy elderly mother and sleep on
the sofa in the living room ofher small apartment in a town
far away from where I wasliving.
I literally had the clothes onmy back.
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That was all that was left.
and I remember thinking, I saidI was happy.
I wasn't happy.
I was prepared to loseeverything.
I didn't really know what losingeverything actually felt like.
Because losing everything for mewas losing all hope, losing all
sense of who I was, because Iwas so confused apart from being
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stressed.
And I remember there were acouple of things I kept asking
myself over and over, because Iwas so confused about what was
happening.
The first thing I kept askingwas, Why has this happened to
me?
Because I thought I was a goodguy.
I hadn't done anythingdishonest.
I'd worked really hard, and I'dreally studied everything about
how to be successful in life.
I had all my goals mapped out.
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I did so many goal settingworkshops and read books on how
you really create goals.
You get very clear about whatyou want.
You create a plan and youachieve it.
I had all that.
Laid out.
I knew about positive thinking.
I knew about how to use oursubconscious mind, changing our
beliefs so that you can createyour own reality.
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But the weird thing was, thiswasn't on my goals list to lose
everything.
everything I thought I knewabout success and how to create
it, none of this helped me.
why has this happened to me?
When I'm an expert on success,I've spent my life learning
about how to make sure thisdidn't happen to me.
And yet it did.
And the other question I keptasking was, what do I do now?
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I had no opportunity.
I didn't know anybody.
I had no businesses, no money tostart anything else.
And I thought, what do I do now?
The most profound thing Irealized was that I didn't have
an answer to either of thosequestions.
I didn't know why it hadhappened to me and I didn't know
what to do.
that turned out to be anotheramazing moment because what I
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did then.
Was the key.
it was definitely something thatif I'd been in any other
situation, if I had anythingleft in my life, it's something
I would never have done.
what I did was I gave up and Iliterally just said, that's it.
I'm not going to try anymore.
I'm not going to try and figureout what to do.
I'm not going to look for anyopportunities.
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I'm not going to try and plananything or learn anything or.
organize my thoughts aroundanything.
I just give up.
I'm too exhausted.
I'm too tired.
I'm too confused.
I give up.
And what I didn't realize at thetime was that created a shift in
me.
I didn't know what it was, andI've since figured it out But
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essentially from that,everything changed.
And before long, a relationshipcame along.
something unexpected, somethingfar better than I'd ever had
before.
Liam, let me stop you for aminute before we go into that
transition.
I want to dive a little deeperinto, the history here.
I'm wondering in that process,in that season where everything
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was collapsing, right.
And, when you gave up, is therea specific moment you can recall
where you were like, I give up,it was a few years ago now, so a
lot of it was from memory and alot of what I figured out that
I'd done comes from my memory.
So it probably wasn't an exactmoment, but it was a period of
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coming to that awareness.
and that's what created theshift.
prior to that, do you think allof the stresses and unhappiness
built up with the success.
Absolutely, because what Ididn't realize was all of the
stress and problems in my lifewere things I was creating
because I was using my brain inthe wrong way.
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as we can talk about, or what Isubsequently discovered, is this
a right way to use the brain.
There's a part of the brainthat's there to ensure we don't
have problems in our life.
to ensure that we live our bestlife possible.
And there's another part of ourbrain that keeps us stuck.
depending on which part of yourbrain you use, that's going to
determine the results you get inyour life.
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And I didn't realize this,nobody had talked to me about
this stuff, and I had to figureit out for myself, but that was
the shift, that was the change.
Let me ask you something else.
Let me go back even further,right?
Like in your upbringing, did yougrow up in a successful
household with parents who weremultimillionaire business owners
and such, or?
no, not at all.
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I started with nothing.
And, and certainly my parentsloving people, I was brought up
in a very, Christian household.
So my parents were very much Ofthe belief, if you want to be
happy, you just ask God for whatyou want, you pray, and God will
give it to you.
And in fact, I did try all ofthat, and it didn't work for me.
And it didn't really work forthem either, and I subsequently
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figured out that's part of thepuzzle as to why prayer Didn't
work or doesn't work for manypeople because again, that's to
do with our biological nature,our biological functioning,
which we'll talk about.
I only ask because, I wentthrough the same thing, I came
up in very humble upbringingsand then I had a lot of success
in my twenties and then we lostit all in our mid thirties.
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luckily I was about a decadeahead of you when you lose it
all To recover.
I specifically remember themoment where I gave up, I
remember all the stresses.
I was an angry person.
very stressed.
even though we had means, youknow, I never felt like it.
I've always felt like I was inscarcity, right?
And, and, and it was verystressful.
I was angry and now I'm stillnot back to having the means I
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had back then.
Although we do very well.
the happiness level is muchgreater, right?
I don't have any of thosestresses and I keep designing
for happiness rather thandesigning for richness, right?
For personal gain.
having a design for happinessrather than the bigger bank
account.
makes for a big difference.
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Oh, absolutely.
that's what it's all about.
I only ask about the momentbecause I remember a certain
moment where it happened to me Iwas just sitting I was working,
our bathroom had flooded, Therewas a leak underneath and I was
trying to fix it myself, it justcame to me that oh I can just
give up and just start althoughyou know and and it was our
dream home with a one and threeyear old and it all happened I
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remember specifically thatmoment like what I was wearing
what I look like all that youknow and Wow.
And I don't remember a lot ofthese tragic memories in life,
but that was one where itallowed for that.
And I've talked to other peoplewith that, so I just wonder if
you had a moment like that.
because I'm always curious as towhy we hold that moment
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specifically.
You being a brain expert, I justwas wondering if there's a
reason why we hold that moment.
I can certainly explain becausethe way I changed my life was
all of these good things startedto happen to me.
a new relationship showed up,then a business showed up and
then another business showed up.
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Before I knew it, I was buying abrand new motor home and
traveling around New Zealand, myhome country, just running my
businesses remotely.
And then we moved to Europe, andI bought a brand new yacht, and
we spent eight years sailingaround Europe.
all of these things were sort oflike falling into place like
dominoes.
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I remember another moment, wewere in a beautiful bay in the
Greek islands, on our own yacht,no other boats around, you wake
up in the morning, and the sunis coming through the windows,
you go up, fall off the back ofthe boat and have a swim in this
beautiful warm water in theGreek islands.
And then get this was whathappened to me and then getting
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up and drying off and going, youknow, I've got two businesses
that are working for me remotelyall around the world.
And here I am in the Greekislands.
Isn't this amazing?
But the difference between thatmoment.
And my previous life where I hadtwo businesses was, you know,
sometimes you just know thatyour life is working, that
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you're doing what you'resupposed to be doing.
Because I had no stress.
I had no problems.
The prison businesses were goingbrilliantly.
My life was going brilliantly.
And I thought this is so weirdbecause I really feel for the
first time that I'm achieving orI'm, I'm experiencing what I
thought I'd always experiencedby going after all those goals
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and trying to be successful,which is the feeling of being
successful, not being bound downby stress and problems.
And I thought, Why is it though,because it made me confused,
because I thought, why is itthat I put in all that effort
trying to reach my goals?
You know, I had all my goalsworked out.
Anytime anyone had anopportunity, I'd go for it.
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I'd always be looking for newways to improve and make more
money and have more ofeverything.
And I'd always be, seeking outmore information, reading lots
of books, doing everything Icould.
Why is it when I tried all thatapproach, everything just fell
apart?
But this approach, I wasn'tsetting any goals.
I wasn't trying to figureanything out.
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I wasn't chasing after anything.
Things were just coming to meand it was all working
perfectly.
This is the opposite ofeverything I've ever been told
about how you create success inyour life.
But this feels like success thatdidn't feel like success, even
though it might've looked likeit, but I had all the stress and
problems.
This is what real success is.
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So I said to myself, I'm goingto go and figure out what I'm
doing differently.
Because I knew I had to be doingsomething differently, and I
thought, I don't want to messthis up.
I want to figure out what it isI'm doing that is actually
creating results.
Not all the stuff I read in thebooks about goal setting and
using your mind in a certain wayand beliefs and all that sort of
stuff.
Because I tried all that, itdidn't work.
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So I thought, what is it thatI'm doing that really is
working, that's giving me theseresults?
And that's what I went on ajourney to figure out.
And when I started to figureout, I realized it was
completely different to anythingI'd ever been told before, but
maybe that's why I never reallygot the success that I wanted
before.
And that's what I share now withpeople, is what really creates
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the results in our life, and howyou can get what you actually
want, rather than living in alife of struggle, trying to
force things to happen.
Wow, that's powerful.
I mean, obviously when I'mhearing that, setting goals, we
all know that's a big deal.
You know, I have, guests whocome on and we talk about
visioning, which is settinggoals essentially, and
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quantifying them so we know howto hit them and all this stuff.
And you're saying that doesn'twork.
That wasn't success to you.
Is that what you're saying?
we could talk about goal settingThe reason that very few people
feel that they're successful isbe, maybe it's some something to
do with whatever we've beentold.
Works, doesn't work.
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if you ask anybody and anybodywho's listening or watching this
might be a question to askyourself.
What percentage of your goalsthat you, set for yourself do
you ever achieve?
And when I start working withpeople who come to me for help
with fear.
Life problems, if you like.
That's one of the firstquestions I ask them is what
percentage of your goals youactually achieve?
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Is it a hundred percent?
And they say no.
I say, well, is it ninetypercent?
Still get a shake of the head.
Is it eighty percent?
Is it 50%?
40?
30?
You know what the average forachievement of goals is?
It's about two to three percent.
Wow.
And it's not just me who saidthat.
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Other people that I've read havecome to that conclusion.
There's only a 2 3 percentsuccess rate on achieving goals.
And here we all are, thinkingwe've got to set our goals,
because everybody else istelling us, Nobody's reaching
their goals.
We're all telling ourselves weare, but it's not actually
working.
It's not what works.
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what I didn't realize is thefundamental reason why goal
setting doesn't work.
And I think we need toacknowledge when you understand,
why goal setting doesn't work,why it's unnatural, then you'll
realize that, we really havebeen told a lot of the wrong
things by people who keeprepeating this thing that goal
setting is the way to go.
It doesn't work.
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Wow.
Well, I mean, that's reallyalarming, right?
Two to 3%.
I had never heard that statisticthat low.
I would have guessed maybe 50%.
that's wild.
So, I mean, you teased us.
Why exactly doesn't it work?
Well, here's the thing that I'dbeen missing about success, The
thing that overrides everythingin our life that determines what
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happens to us and what weachieve above all else is
nature.
Nature rules.
We live in a biological body.
We live in a biological world.
There are rules around natureand I'll give you a good
example.
You could stand on the top of a10 story building and you could
say to yourself, I'm going tofly up in the air.
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Now you can meditate, you canpray, you can work on changing
your beliefs, your subconsciousmind.
You can convince yourself, youcan do all of these things.
But the second you walk off thatbuilding, you're going to fall
down.
Nature doesn't care what youthink or want.
Nature has its own rules.
And nature actually has a ruleabout biological survival.
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There are three important rules,but the most important rule is
the law if you were to ask anybiological scientist, what's the
overriding purpose, structure,or rule, of nature?
all of life exists for onething, and that is to survive.
That is what every living thingis programmed, biologically, to
do.
But how does it do that?
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Well, if you really think aboutit, if everything is striving to
survive, what it's reallystriving to do is to be the best
that it can be.
Because when it's the best thatit can be, it has the greatest
chance for survival.
And nature has a word, orscience has a word for this,
when a living thing is being thebest that it can be, and it's
called homeostasis.
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Homeostasis means the optimumfunctioning of the organism, and
every living thing is programmedbiologically to seek to achieve
and maintain this state ofoptimum functioning.
So that it has the greatestchance for survival, which is
its biological purpose.
So that's the overriding purposeof nature, is to make every
living thing as good as it canbe.
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Now for humans, we'rebiological, so we have that
purpose as well.
But if you were to ask mostpeople, do you feel that you're
being the best that you can be,they would go, no, I'm way off,
I've got all these problems andstress my body's not as good as
it can be and I'm not happy.
Very few people feel that theyare being the best that they can
be.
Which is really strange whenthat's the way we are
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biologically designed.
We're biologically designed tobe in this optimum state.
And the way we're designed to dothat, the way every living thing
is designed to do that, is touse a mechanism that's been
provided for that purpose, andthat's a brain.
So the brain is a mechanism, orwhat I call a machine, provided
for every living thing with onefunction.
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To make that organism achievehomeostasis, be the best that it
can be, so that it has thegreatest chance for survival.
So that it functions when it'sfunctioning optimally.
And of course, for us, what doesoptimal functioning mean?
It's not just physically beingas good as we can be, It's also
mentally and emotionally beingas good as we can be.
In other words, being happy.
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when I realized this, I thoughtthis is amazing because it makes
so much sense.
We're actually biologicallydesigned and programmed to be
happy, not to have problems, tobe the best that we can be, be
in this optimum state.
sometimes we have that feeling.
That we're in the flow of life,we're in the zone, and things
are going well, and everything'sfalling into place.
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we feel that, you know,gratitude and love, and we just
feel like, yeah, this is, thisis great.
But those moments don't oftenhappen.
the reason they don't oftenhappen is because the machine
that we have to make sure thathappens we're not using it the
right way.
We don't know how to drive it.
It's like a motor car.
a motor car is a machine, andthere's nothing complicated
about what it's designed to do.
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It's designed to get you fromwhere you are to where you want
to go.
Predictably, comfortably,enjoyably, it's just what it's
there to do.
it's not going to get you whereyou want to go, and it's not
going to give you a verypleasant ride.
You might think you'd have toget out from behind and push, if
you didn't know how a motor carworked.
if you didn't know what all thelevers were for, you're not
going to get very far.
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It's going to be a lot ofeffort, a lot of stress, and
you're going to think, what'swrong here?
why have I got so many problems?
And you might even blow up theengine.
So, it is the same with thebrain.
What a problem is, it's a sign,that this machine, the brain,
we're not using it the rightway.
Like any machine, if you use itthe wrong way, the result is
problems.
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So I didn't really understandany of this.
But when I started to explore itand it made such total sense,
then I thought, well, all I needto do is understand how the
brain works, how this machineworks and use it in a natural
way.
And when I started to explorethis, I realized that's the only
difference.
That was the only thing I wasdoing between my old stressed
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life and my new life whereeverything just seemed to work.
The only difference was how Iwas using my brain, how I was
using this mechanism.
And what I'm talking about hereis not anything to do with the
subconscious or, anytheoretical, concepts.
This is about your biologicalbrain.
I've created a model where thereare four different regions
inside your skull that all havea different function and
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purpose, and the way those fourregions are used determines the
results you get in your life.
Whether it's a life full ofproblems and stress, which is a
sign you're not using it theright way, or whether everything
flows to give you what you'resupposed to be here for, which
is to experience homeostasis,functioning optimally, mentally,
spiritually, emotionally, andphysically, so that you thrive.
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Are those the four?
That's what it comes down to.
Are those the four parts of thebrain?
Yeah, I've created a model, it'son my website, I've created a
model of the four differentparts.
And what I've done is, it's avery simple model, you know,
it's all backed by science andthey've all got fancy scientific
terms but I've simplified it tohelp people understand it
because this is very simplestuff because it's natural.
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We're naturally designed to belike this.
The only reason we're not iswe've learned all of these
things like life is hard.
You have to set goals.
You don't know enough.
You have to overcome challenges.
difficulties are good for you.
You're always going to haveproblems.
we've been taught all of thesethings and all that does is make
sure that we're using our brainin the wrong way.
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if you look at the rest ofnature, there is no struggle.
There is no force.
There is no setting goals.
even in the Bible, it wasinteresting that, I was brought
up a Christian, I did study theBible because I thought, Even at
a young age, maybe I can learnhere on how to be successful.
But in the Bible, it says, theBible turns out to be one of the
best manuals on how to use yourbrain that exists.
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Because what does it say in theBible?
Do not worry about what youshall eat, drink and wear.
It will be provided for you andgive no thought for tomorrow.
Tomorrow will take care ofitself.
it says.
Do not worry about what you willeat, drink, or wear.
It will be provided for you.
You don't have to go out andearn it.
It's going to be provided foryou.
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People might say, well, hang on,that can't be right.
Everyone knows you have to workfor something, but it turns out
that the way your brain worksand the way all of nature works
is it's about some effort, butit's not about struggle.
And it's about allowing thingsto show up in your life with the
least amount of struggle.
And that's exactly how it worksbiologically.
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So we give, you know, what isthe right way to go about
thinking about these?
You say don't worry, just goabout your day without worry,
and you're gonna be inhomeostasis and happy and
successful.
is it just that simple?
It is that simple, but whatmakes it difficult for people is
that they don't understand whythat works.
But I can explain why thatworks.
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Have you ever been, if we talkabout what is your optimum
functioning, what homeostasisis, I mentioned a little bit
earlier about, you know,sometimes you have that feeling
that everything's going well inyour life and, Things are
happening without too muchstruggle and effort.
there's this part of the brain,which I call the creative brain
that manages your life to ensureyou maintain homeostasis.
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And this part of your brain,it's located right in the very
centre of your, centre of yourskull.
What comes out of this brain, orwhat its functions are, are
creativity, your imagination.
Your inspiration, yourintuition, it's where you get
those gut feelings of somethingabout I should do that, or I
shouldn't do that.
You know, that little voicewithin us.
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It's where you get new ideasfrom.
you've been working on somethingand struggling with a problem
for weeks or months or years anda lot of inventors and creative
people have talked about this.
They've worked away on a problemfor years, and then suddenly
you're doing something else andyou get the answer to the
problem Oh, that's so obvious.
Why didn't I think of thatbefore?
Now, that's all come from adifferent part of your brain.
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what's the thing that this hasall got in common?
It's not a struggle.
It's not an effort.
It's not something you're outthere trying to make happen.
It just comes to you.
composers of music talk aboutthis.
If you watch an interview withany songwriter, they're often
asked, where did you get theidea for that song?
You know what they all say?
Exactly the same thing.
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It just came to me.
I don't know where it came from.
It's just all of a sudden Iheard it in my head and then I
just wrote it down.
So where does it come from?
This is the natural, biologicalway we're designed to live.
Not without struggle, butgetting the right ideas at the
right time, acting on the rightideas, not acting on the wrong
ideas, Doesn't that createproblems in our life?
and getting everything we need.
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If we have a problem, show up,getting the answers to it and
putting an effort, buteverything flowing.
And, and many people have talkedabout this, tried to understand
the state and talked about beingin the flow, being in the zone,
being in the state Life, yourbrain, is making everything work
for you without struggle,without force.
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how do you explain coincidenceand synchronicity and things
that just show up out of theblue like they did for me when I
had nothing and then someonecame in and said, here's a
chance to open a business foryou.
And I did.
We all have these experienceswhere good things happen to us
and we go, I wonder how thathappened.
We don't realize our brain hasthe power to do that.
It has the power to make theright things happen for you.
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It gives you the power to seethe opportunities that are
there.
act on them.
this is the way we're supposedto be.
if I could interject for asecond, what I'm hearing is,
oftentimes you hear, meditationexperts visioning experts or,
Athletes or what have you when,when you talk about, you know,
developing setting, setting,there's still some of the
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people, maybe the confusing goalsetting with visioning where
they, they still picturesomething to go after, And the
brain starts to work towards it.
It just seems to happen by.
You're setting that intentionand having some clear vision
around it and going after it,right?
So, how is that different?
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I might not be describing thatright.
Maybe it's me, but I knowexactly what you're saying.
But here's the problem withthat, and it comes down to goal
setting.
If you've got a part of yourbrain, It knows exactly what
your life should look like foryou to be at optimum
functioning.
In other words, for you to betruly happy, for you to be truly
fulfilled, doing everything withthe least amount of resistance,
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because, resistance isn'tnatural.
If you look at the naturalworld, Everything flows.
It's the path of leastresistance.
if you ride a bicycle into thewind, it's a lot harder and you
don't get very far compared toriding with the wind.
nature is built around the pathof least resistance.
imagine if your brain, yourcreative brain, knows exactly
what you need to have in yourlife for you to be your absolute
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best.
But you don't know.
You think you know, but youcan't.
Because when I was lying on mymother's couch trying to figure
out what I should do with mylife, if someone had said to me,
This is your goal.
if I'd said to myself, right, mygoal is I'm going to meet this
amazing person like this.
We're going to sail around theworld in our own yacht for eight
years, and I'm going to do allof these things.
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I'm going to be managing twobusinesses remotely, and I'm
going to be learning all abouthow the brain works, and really
helping people from all aroundthe world to make breakthroughs
in their life by understandingat last exactly how we're wired
to be.
If someone had told me that, Iwould have thought that was,
they're insane, for two reasons.
One is I didn't know that Icould achieve it.
I'd be like, sail a yacht?
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How do you do that?
I had done a bit of sailing, butyou know, around the
Mediterranean, come on.
And the second reason I wouldn'thave believed it was because I
didn't know that's what Iwanted.
how many times do we have thingsin our life that we go, Wow, I
never knew that this wouldhappen, but it's great.
I'm so glad it did, but I couldhave never figured it out.
And here's the biological reasonwhy, trying to figure out what
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you should have in your life, orwhat your goals should be, in
other words, why it doesn'twork.
it comes down to another law ofnature, which is the law of
biological efficiency.
through billions of years,nature has figured out that the
best way for anything to surviveis through the conservation of
energy, which means the maximumamount of result for the minimum
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amount of energy expended.
So nature is super good atconserving energy.
And when you think about us incaveman times, we might have
been able to find food for aweek.
So we had to find a way toconserve all of our energy so
that we survived and could stillHave enough energy to go out and
catch food after a week.
So knowing that's the case, whatis the most biologically
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efficient way for your brain toensure that you reach the
perfect state, doing all of theperfect things that you're
designed to do to make you superhappy and fulfilled in your
life?
Well, if it was to show you thegoal, what would you do?
You'd go, hang on a moment.
You're telling me I'm going tobe sailing on a yacht.
no, that doesn't sound right.
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how on earth can I get there?
that doesn't make any sense.
What's happening?
You're not doing anything.
You're not moving towards that.
You're wasting all that time,all that energy, analyzing,
trying to think it out.
that's not biologicallyefficient.
It's not the way to do it.
So you say, okay, don't show methe goal.
Just show me the next 10 steps.
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And then, you write it all out.
Your brain shows you the 10steps and you go, okay.
And then what do you do?
You look at it and go, stepnumber three, is that really
what I should do?
I better check that out and justmake sure, what are you doing?
You're analyzing, you'redoubting, you're figuring it
out.
You're not taking any action.
You're wasting all of thatenergy.
the way your brain is designedto get you to where you're
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supposed to be, it shows you onestep at a time, shows you the
very next step.
you have to let go of all ofyour expectation about where you
think you should be headed andrealize that your brain is going
to take you in the perfectdirection.
I interviewed a gentleman.
He's retired now, but he had abusiness.
He had a million customers in 85countries.
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He had 500 staff.
He had two private jets.
He was hugely successful.
And I said to him, how did youachieve all of that?
And he said, I don't know.
He said, it wasn't on any goalslist that I had.
I would never have dreamt that Icould have achieved all this.
And what I learned to do wasjust take it one step at a time.
I've heard this from so manysuccessful people.
If you ask them, how did youreally achieve what you achieved
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in your life?
They'll, if they're honest,they'll say.
I just did it.
That's the whole point.
And that's why setting goalskeeps you stuck.
How do you know which directionto take that step in?
You don't need to know.
Your brain will show you.
when you're using this part ofyour brain, you're going to see
exactly what to do.
And even better, you're going tofind yourself doing it.
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how many times do we think Ishould do that?
But we don't, we're afraid totake that step, or we're
worried, or we try and analyzeit, we don't take that step.
But when you live in this flowstate, when you're in
homeostasis, when you'reactivating what I call the
creative brain, and you've gotall of these resources, you just
naturally find the next stepshows up.
And it's a little bit like why Ireached out to you to be on your
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show.
I'd never met you.
I didn't know anything aboutyou.
It just felt like the right nextstep.
Now, where does it go from here?
I have no clue.
What matters is I'm here rightnow, and I'm talking to you, and
I'm sharing this information.
It doesn't matter where it goes,it will go in the right
direction.
Your brain is biologicallydesigned to make sure that it
does go in the right direction.
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It's there protecting you,trying to bring you to the state
of homeostasis.
And all you need to do ismaintain the right brain state
to allow all of these functionsto do their job and stop getting
in the way, which is what we doThere's another part of our
brain that keeps us stuck.
It's the part that creates theproblems.
Fear.
It's the part that stops us fromsolving problems and keeps us
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stuck.
It's activated by fear.
When you feel fear, stress,worry, frustration, you're
changing your brain state on abiological level and you're
deactivating your creativebrain, you're activating
something I call the survivalbrain, which has only got one
purpose and that is to fight offany threat or danger to your
physical survival.
It's not there to solve yourproblems.
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It doesn't have a clue about howto solve your problems.
Knows how to create problems bygetting you to react and do the
wrong things, but it's just atool or a weapon of self
defense.
and it's activated by fear,stress, worry, and those
negative emotions.
So what most people don'trealize is they've activated
this part of their brain becausethey're feeling stressed,
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afraid, worried, anxious, all ofthose things, and they're trying
to figure out their life.
They're trying to fix theirlife, and they say to
themselves, I'm so unhappy.
What can I do to be happy?
What do I need to do next?
How can I figure this out?
and what happens, you just getconfused.
You say, I can't think straight.
I don't know what to do.
Maybe I need to be rich.
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I'll write down my goal is tohave a million dollars.
But that part of your braindoesn't know the answer to any
of that.
It doesn't know how to solve anyof your problems.
And that's what keeps peoplestuck, trying to figure stuff
out for their whole life, Excuseme, Liam, I know we're getting
close to the end, so I justgotta know, This is fascinating
stuff, right?
And I think we've identified theproblem and the solution, but
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really I want to focus on somemeat and potatoes here, that we
can give our listeners.
What can we do to deactivatethat survival state of the
brain, with fear and stress andactivate that no worry
homeostasis what can we doconsciously to switch gears like
that?
What we have to do, andremember, this isn't really a
quick fix.
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It's like saying, what do weneed to do to lose weight?
Well, I can tell you what youneed to do, but.
You need to do it.
You need to get into a differenthabit.
what you need to realize is whatis triggering, there are things
in your world that aretriggering this fear state.
They're creating beliefs andtriggers within your brain
that's making your brain say,It's not safe.
It's dangerous.
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There's a threat.
so what you need to do isidentify the triggers and block
the triggers.
Stop the triggers fromactivating that part of your
brain.
Really simply put, stop allowinganything that makes you feel bad
into your environment.
And people say, well, do youmean just walk around and feel
good no matter what's going on?
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Absolutely.
That's what you need to do.
And people say, well, I can't dothat.
I've got too many problems.
There's too much going on in mylife.
But there are lots of triggers.
And this is what I help peopleidentify is what the triggers
are in their life, because mostof them they're not aware of,
here are a couple of simpleones.
Watching the news.
How does that make you feel?
Does that make you feel bad?
Switch it off.
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you've got rid of a trigger.
People say, well, I can't switchoff the news.
You have to stay informed.
Really?
if you knew your life dependedon not putting more negative
stuff into it, would you do it?
Yeah.
If I came along to you with aglass of hydrochloric acid and
said, drink this, would youdrink it?
No.
it wouldn't matter what I saidabout how justified it would, I
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said, felt in telling you shoulddrink it.
You say, no way.
It doesn't matter what the, whatthe justification.
So it doesn't matter thejustification that what you
think you should do, likewatching the news.
If it makes you feel bad, it'striggering the wrong part of
your brain.
Other things, having aconversation with somebody about
something you're not enjoying orthat's making you feel stressed.
You need to say, sorry, I've gotto go and do something else and
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nice to meet you.
Or change the subject.
That's another trigger.
Other triggers are likerelationships, people, our job
or our business or even in ourmarriage.
If something's making you feelbad, the stakes are too high.
You have to find a way toeliminate it.
And often you can just walk awayand often you end the
relationship or you fix therelationship.
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But all of these triggers,there's a lot of them.
And once you start reducingthem, you start to allow your
brain to see things in adifferent way.
You see life in a different wayand you start to let go.
And what does it say in theBible?
this great success manual, benot afraid 365 times it says, be
not afraid.
Now it's not saying try not tobe afraid of saying, be not
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afraid because when you feelfear.
You've shut yourself off fromyour creative brain.
You've shut yourself off fromall of the resources that God or
intelligence or nature, whateveryou want to call it, has given
you to give you the best lifepossible.
So it doesn't matter how hardyou try, if you're not using
that machine in the right wayand you've cut that off, there's
nothing I can do for you.
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Sorry, so it's all about that'sgreat.
You know, it is something I liketo say I'm very protective of
the energy around me and thatincludes the people surround
yourself with right?
So there's a lot of people thathave changed in my life that I
still care for but I don't havethem around in my life including
family because it goes back toNegativity, you know, the world
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is coming to an end this iseverything that's going to go
wrong rather than thinking aboutwhat can go right, or where's
opportunity, I've even changed aquestion in our Wayfinder 4,
which is probably a good segueto identify opportunity.
as I've surrounded myself morewith high achieving, positive
people that I want to be around,I noticed that's the way they
think.
They're constantly looking foropportunity and being positive.
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if they even smell fear or,Negativity you're immediately
shunned and there's a goodreason.
this is biology We're nottalking about anything esoteric
here.
This is pure biology people whoare successful if they're truly
feeling happy and balanced intheir life, this is the way they
naturally operate.
You're right They don't wantnegative stuff in your life this
you don't need it And it's,it's, it's being aware that this
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has a biological effect on yourbrain.
This is the way you're designed.
the great thing is when youreally get this life becomes a
lot more enjoyable.
You don't worry about what'sgoing to happen.
You know that it's all going toturn out fine this isn't
positive thinking.
Positive thinking doesn't work.
This is knowing.
I mean, how many things do weknow that we don't worry about?
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We know our heart's going tokeep beating.
We know we're going to keepbreathing.
We know that when we're drivingon the road, all the cars on the
other side are going to stay ontheir side and not hit us.
we don't worry about thembecause we know that's just the
way it works.
So when you start using yourbrain the right way, start
activating your creative brainand seeing the results in your
life and feeling the difference,you go, well, this is just the
way it works.
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I don't need to worry about it.
I just do what shows up the verynext thing.
And that's when life becomes anadventure.
we're not supposed to knowwhat's going to happen in the
future.
We're supposed to enjoy what'shappening right now.
most of us, unfortunately, arenever here right now to enjoy
it.
We're always somewhere else,trying to get somewhere else.
And that's why we're not livingthe way we're naturally designed
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to live being in thishomeostasis best that we can be
state.
Yeah.
This show will be coming out,mid September.
we're going to be at the peak ofelection season here in the
United States.
I know you're in Denmark.
I want to touch back on what yousaid about the news.
it is all around us I don'twatch the news, I haven't
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watched the news in, years.
I never know what's happeningaround me except, with things
like the national elections itcreeps up everywhere.
You can't look at your socialmedia.
You can't, pick up a paper.
You can't go anywhere without itbeing in your face.
And already it's having aneffect on me.
this morning, I was out on myrun with my running team and,
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somehow politics came up.
We never talk about politics,but now it's coming up and you
can immediately feel, eventhough we're all probably
similarly aligned, you canalready feel the tension build
up.
I think we really got to becareful.
at the end of the day, it is totheir advantage to put fear in
us, to be negative, to get onthe news, about the other side
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and, it's really bad stuff.
So I'd say we really got to becareful with that to allow us to
stay in homeostasis.
the most advanced, knowledgeablepeople, neuroscientists, people
who understand human behavior.
And how the brain works, all ofthe stuff that I'm talking
about.
this is science for the peoplewho really understand this, the
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highest paid people, work formajor corporations and
governments.
And one of the things theyrealize is if you control the
way to control people is byputting them in a fearful state,
because if you think about it,biologically, one of the
functions, when you're a fearfulstate.
Is that's a sign from your braintelling you you're faced with an
immediate threat or danger.
And if you lived in prehistorictimes, imagine the tribe was
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coming over the hill to kill youall what does the tribe need to
do?
It needs to have one person telleverybody else what to do.
So when you're in a fearfulstate, you are far more
receptive and vulnerable tosomebody else telling you what
to do and what to think, becauseyour brain is looking for
direction.
It's saying, I have a problem.
What do I do?
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Now the military uses, fear tomake people do things they would
never otherwise do, which iskill other people So this is a
biological process.
what we don't realize is it'snot just fear blocking our
creative resources.
It's literally making ussusceptible to the ideas and
direction of other people ratherthan using our own awareness.
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this is why you see peoplewalking around in fear all the
time, consuming all the news.
It's like an addiction.
literally being programmed,their brain has been programmed
to consume more.
Do what we tell you, you know,and not only do what we tell
you, but see what we tell you isimportant to tell yourself that
that's important.
Because remember, you don't haveany control over your life and
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you have problems and needsolutions, you need to spend
money and have other people tellyou how to live your life.
That's all part of theprogramming of this part of the
brain, so you need to get out ofthat.
we're not weak people.
We're designed with this amazingmachine to make us live the best
life possible.
It does it for the rest ofnature.
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This is all quite powerfulstuff, really.
It is very powerful.
Liam, we can keep going on this,and I also never even got to
talk into, I was really curiousabout your life because you're a
nomadic person right now, andthat's something I'm very
curious about, we're going tohave to get you back on because
there's too much to talk abouthere.
In the meantime, I'd like toswitch over to our world famous
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Wayfinder 4.
So, Liam, can you give us a hackthat you use?
This is something like ashortcut you use every day to be
more productive Best thing youcan do, take the next step and
the next one will be revealed.
Say to yourself, what do I feelmotivated to do right now?
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And make it a really small step.
It could be open your email orclose your email.
Could be go for a walk.
Could be go up to your wife orhusband and give them a hug.
Make it a really small step andsay to yourself, all I'm going
to focus on is doing that nextstep and seeing what it feels
like and not looking any furtherthan that and seeing what the
next step is that shows up.
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But don't, don't worry aboutwhether you're going to make a
mistake.
Don't act out of fear or stopyourself acting out of fear.
Just take the very next step.
And literally, people I'vespoken to who've done that, not
only have become millionairesfrom doing it, if you like, if
that's their path, but they'verealised that it's It's, it's
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really what creates happiness inyour life.
You are literally going to geton the right track by doing
that.
I love that.
Uh, Liam, how about a favorite?
Could be a book, movie,activity, hobby.
Well, my favorite film of alltime is, uh, maybe showing my
age, it's called The Matrix.
Oh, yeah.
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And you know, in the Matrix, themaster Morpheus is trying to
teach Neo about how, who hereally is that he's not
controlled by this programming.
And he says to him, you have tolet it all go, fear, doubt, and
disbelief.
You have to let it all go.
You have to free your mind.
And fear, doubt, and disbeliefis what keeps you a prisoner.
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So that's one of the reasons,it's an amazing film, if people
haven't watched it, I highlyrecommend it.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know anybody who hasn'twatched it.
It's a classic for sure.
Yeah.
And one that you can get morefrom every time you watch,
right?
It's very deep.
Yeah.
How about a piece of advice foryour younger self?
Just let go and not worry somuch about what's going to
happen.
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Focus more on how you feelrather than trying to do
something to make you feelbetter.
Just focus on feeling better.
And also, start to really lookinto nature and how nature
works.
And realize there's somethingvery powerful, there's an
intelligence there that is farmore powerful than what you're
going to find in any book orwhat you are trying to figure
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out.
It's got, you know, just a quickthing, this, this mechanism I'm
talking about that heals yourlife, that wants the best for
you to put you in homeostasis.
How do you imagine your fingerheals if you cut it?
You don't sit there and try andfigure it out and focus on it
and visualize your finger healedand set a goal that it's going
to be healed and worry about it.
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You just know it's naturallyyour body.
There's all of these gazillionthings that are going on inside
you all the time.
They're all going to go to workto heal the finger and get you
back to being healthy.
So that's the same process weneed to understand for our life.
That's what it'll do for ourlife, not just the finger.
It's going to do for our wholelife.
It's exactly the same principleand process at work.
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So well put.
What about a big opportunitythat you see out there?
Well, I don't know if you callit an opportunity, but I just
see so many people strugglingand they're, they're really
trying and they're, they don'tknow why they're stressed and
they're trying to put so muchmore effort into any, everything
to try and get out of thesituation they're in and really
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to try and get rid of theirstress.
So I think the opportunity thatI see is for people to
understand.
this complete shift in the wayyou look at how you live your
life.
And the more you understand it,the more you naturally are going
to do it.
And it's really like, as it saysin the matrix, it's a bit like,
I can show you the door, butyou're the one who has to step
through it.
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But once you step through thatdoor, the opportunity is to
realize there's a completelydifferent way to live.
And we've been really led downthe wrong track.
We've been given all the wrongideas about who we are, what our
brain is, what we're designed todo.
And that's what keeps, has keptus struggling.
Yeah, that's, that's reallygood.
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How about, um, if people want toknow any more about you, how can
they find you, Liam?
Well, my, there's my website,liamnayden.
com, but, but actually there'ssomething I've just created.
I'd really like to share it withyour, with your listeners.
If they send me an email andjust send it to course, c o u r
s e at liamnayden.
com, they'll instantly get amini course I've just created.
(51:51):
Which is about how to, what Icall how to unlock your rapid
solution brain.
And this is a technique that'shidden within the teachings of
religion and something that I'veuncovered about how the brain
works.
But it's a technique you can useto find pretty well an instant
solution to almost any problemjust by using your brain
differently.
So it's a really powerful ideaof, it's quite simple, but it's,
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it's all contained in this minicourse that I've created.
So if people just send an emailto course at liamnayden.
com, they'll, they'll get that.
Free course.
Oh, excellent.
Well, thank you so much forthat.
That was very generous and Liam.
This was a Incredibly thoughtprovoking Conversation.
I I'm sure our listeners got alot out of this We also probably
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need to get you back because Ithink that there's there's more
to add on to I think we all fallinto In today's world in how
connected we are.
We we do fall into a lot of fearAnd disbelief and disturbance
and it just causes a lot ofstress and it's not letting us
live in that state ofhomeostasis, like you say, that
we should be living in and helpus achieve success.
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So thank you for sharing thatbackground with us and your
wisdom and hope to have you backon.
I'd love to.
Yeah.
And that's really what I'mtrying to do as well as create a
community of people who thinkwho understand this, because
once you start getting it,you're right.
Most people don't.
And they're going to try andpull you back into the old way
that's based on stress andstruggle and you have to watch
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the news and you have to do allthese things and you have to set
goals.
So, you know, having asupportive community or other
people who are on the samejourney, I think that's, that's
really helpful and that's partof what I do as well.
That's excellent.
Thank you so much.
I look forward to learning moreabout that.
Take care, Liam.
Thanks very much.
Thank you, Leo.
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today I'm here with a specialguest from Denmark, Liam Naden.
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Liam is a transformational coachfor entrepreneurs, business
leaders, anyone seeking truesuccess in life.
His pioneering methods combineneuroscience, psychology, and
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Liam's own journey has taken himfrom the success of being a
serial entrepreneur as owner ofmore than 18 businesses and a
multimillionaire to losingeverything and becoming homeless
in his mid forties.
It was only as he rebuilt hislife and wealth in a much more
satisfying way that he realizedthe missing link to true
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success, the correct functioningof the human brain.
He is now the host of the letyourself off the hook podcast.
He is also the bestsellingauthor and creator of the four
part brain model and brainrebalancing, a process which
gets The four parts of the brainworking the way they should and
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bringing you the success youshould have.
Through his coaching programsand guest appearances, he now
teaches individuals from aroundthe world to understand that
there's a more natural way tosolve problems in all areas of
life.
It aligns with the brain'sability to find creative
solutions to challenges, ratherthan attempting to fight against
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them.
When you adopt this mindset, Youachieve true and lasting success
much more quickly and withoutthe limitations of struggle and
stress.
Liam, welcome to the Wayfindershow.
Hi, Louis.
Thank you very much.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah.
Thank you for being here.
your background when I was,looking at that really caught my
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attention, obviously, for, formany reasons, you, you, you've
had a lot of early success inlife and I can relate to that.
And then it seems like you lostit all.
I can relate to that as well.
and now figuring out how to makeit work, obviously you're
further along in that than I am.
I'd like to start at thebeginning.
Like when you were a serialentrepreneur, built some multi
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million dollar businesses, whatwere you doing?
What were they about?
Well, I was doing all sorts ofthings actually, after
university, I decided that Iwanted to figure out how to be
really successful in my life,how to have a great life.
I never wanted to settle, justget a job and be an average sort
of person.
I wanted freedom, to be rich,and to, travel and do exciting
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things.
So I got into my own businessesand did all sorts of things,
from having a wine business,importing and selling wine.
in New Zealand, my home country,to owning a, a hostel for the
travelers, to having retailstores, to having a horse
trekking business where we usedto take people through the
mountains of New Zealand, peoplefrom all around the world and
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training and coaching and,different businesses.
But I noticed was, as I wasbuilding up all these
businesses, was that I wasmanaging to create a lot of
success for myself, but I alsohad a lot of problems and
stress.
at the same time as I wasworking hard on my businesses
and, making money.
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I was also something of asuccess seminar junkie, I used
to go to lots of seminars by allthe self help gurus and study
really anything I could.
I used to do courses and readbooks.
I had a great library of,coaching programs and books on
personal development, peakperformance, goal setting,
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motivation.
how to change your subconsciousmind, how to reprogram yourself,
and also a lot of things to dowith spirituality as well, like
meditation and the law ofattraction So I was doing pretty
well, I thought, and I didachieve a lot of freedom in my
life and a great lifestyle.
I thought I really understoodwhat success was.
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But a funny thing happened in mymid 40s because it was about
that time I remember this dayreally clearly It was one of
those moments in your life whereeverything changes because I
remember at the time I was justputting the finishing touches on
my dream home, It wasn't quitefinished, but it almost was.
And I had a music room in thishome as well.
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This beautiful, big house out inthe countryside.
I remember going into my musicroom.
it was a beautiful sunny day,and the view through these big
windows was straight out ontothe mountains in the distance.
And I remember thinking, onthis, at this particular moment,
very clearly, because it was abeautiful sunny day, but I
remember thinking, I've done it!I've achieved my dream.
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It was almost my dream to havethis house exactly the way it
is, with its own music room.
I've got several businesses, andthey were all working.
I've got all this freedom, I'vegot all this money.
But why aren't I happy?
Why is it that I don't feelhappy?
Why is it, instead of feelingsatisfied with what I had and
good about my life, I feltabsolutely terrible.
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I was so stressed, I was almostshaking.
And I thought, this isabsolutely crazy.
What's this all about?
This can't be what I signed upfor.
Life has to be easier than this.
I signed up to be happy.
Not to have all this.
success and be totallymiserable.
And I remember, I don't know ifit's a little voice or myself
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Maybe it'd be better to justthrow all of this away, start
all over again and really go andfind your soul, because that's
what it felt like was my energy.
My life force was being drainedout of me.
I had all these things on theoutside that I was managing and
things appeared to be going wellI should have been happy and
enjoying it, but I just feltthis energy draining out of me
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because I had lots of problemsto deal with.
I had problems in my marriage.
I had problems in my businessand I just felt like I had
problems.
So I felt I couldn't enjoy.
my success.
So I said, you know, I'd reallyprobably rather just get rid of
everything.
Well, as they say, you have tobe careful what you ask for,
because it was within a fewweeks that it all collapsed.
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I lost everything.
The businesses went, the housewent, the music room went, the
marriage went, it all justcollapsed.
And I had to move back in withmy elderly mother and sleep on
the sofa in the living room ofher small apartment in a town
far away from where I wasliving.
I literally had the clothes onmy back.
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That was all that was left.
and I remember thinking, I saidI was happy.
I wasn't happy.
I was prepared to loseeverything.
I didn't really know what losingeverything actually felt like.
Because losing everything for mewas losing all hope, losing all
sense of who I was, because Iwas so confused apart from being
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stressed.
And I remember there were acouple of things I kept asking
myself over and over, because Iwas so confused about what was
happening.
The first thing I kept askingwas, Why has this happened to
me?
Because I thought I was a goodguy.
I hadn't done anythingdishonest.
I'd worked really hard, and I'dreally studied everything about
how to be successful in life.
I had all my goals mapped out.
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I did so many goal settingworkshops and read books on how
you really create goals.
You get very clear about whatyou want.
You create a plan and youachieve it.
I had all that.
Laid out.
I knew about positive thinking.
I knew about how to use oursubconscious mind, changing our
beliefs so that you can createyour own reality.
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But the weird thing was, thiswasn't on my goals list to lose
everything.
everything I thought I knewabout success and how to create
it, none of this helped me.
why has this happened to me?
When I'm an expert on success,I've spent my life learning
about how to make sure thisdidn't happen to me.
And yet it did.
And the other question I keptasking was, what do I do now?
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I had no opportunity.
I didn't know anybody.
I had no businesses, no money tostart anything else.
And I thought, what do I do now?
The most profound thing Irealized was that I didn't have
an answer to either of thosequestions.
I didn't know why it hadhappened to me and I didn't know
what to do.
that turned out to be anotheramazing moment because what I
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did then.
Was the key.
it was definitely something thatif I'd been in any other
situation, if I had anythingleft in my life, it's something
I would never have done.
what I did was I gave up and Iliterally just said, that's it.
I'm not going to try anymore.
I'm not going to try and figureout what to do.
I'm not going to look for anyopportunities.
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I'm not going to try and plananything or learn anything or.
organize my thoughts aroundanything.
I just give up.
I'm too exhausted.
I'm too tired.
I'm too confused.
I give up.
And what I didn't realize at thetime was that created a shift in
me.
I didn't know what it was, andI've since figured it out But
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essentially from that,everything changed.
And before long, a relationshipcame along.
something unexpected, somethingfar better than I'd ever had
before.
Liam, let me stop you for aminute before we go into that
transition.
I want to dive a little deeperinto, the history here.
I'm wondering in that process,in that season where everything
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was collapsing, right.
And, when you gave up, is therea specific moment you can recall
where you were like, I give up,it was a few years ago now, so a
lot of it was from memory and alot of what I figured out that
I'd done comes from my memory.
So it probably wasn't an exactmoment, but it was a period of
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coming to that awareness.
and that's what created theshift.
prior to that, do you think allof the stresses and unhappiness
built up with the success.
Absolutely, because what Ididn't realize was all of the
stress and problems in my lifewere things I was creating
because I was using my brain inthe wrong way.
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as we can talk about, or what Isubsequently discovered, is this
a right way to use the brain.
There's a part of the brainthat's there to ensure we don't
have problems in our life.
to ensure that we live our bestlife possible.
And there's another part of ourbrain that keeps us stuck.
depending on which part of yourbrain you use, that's going to
determine the results you get inyour life.
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And I didn't realize this,nobody had talked to me about
this stuff, and I had to figureit out for myself, but that was
the shift, that was the change.
Let me ask you something else.
Let me go back even further,right?
Like in your upbringing, did yougrow up in a successful
household with parents who weremultimillionaire business owners
and such, or?
no, not at all.
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I started with nothing.
And, and certainly my parentsloving people, I was brought up
in a very, Christian household.
So my parents were very much Ofthe belief, if you want to be
happy, you just ask God for whatyou want, you pray, and God will
give it to you.
And in fact, I did try all ofthat, and it didn't work for me.
And it didn't really work forthem either, and I subsequently
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figured out that's part of thepuzzle as to why prayer Didn't
work or doesn't work for manypeople because again, that's to
do with our biological nature,our biological functioning,
which we'll talk about.
I only ask because, I wentthrough the same thing, I came
up in very humble upbringingsand then I had a lot of success
in my twenties and then we lostit all in our mid thirties.
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luckily I was about a decadeahead of you when you lose it
all To recover.
I specifically remember themoment where I gave up, I
remember all the stresses.
I was an angry person.
very stressed.
even though we had means, youknow, I never felt like it.
I've always felt like I was inscarcity, right?
And, and, and it was verystressful.
I was angry and now I'm stillnot back to having the means I
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had back then.
Although we do very well.
the happiness level is muchgreater, right?
I don't have any of thosestresses and I keep designing
for happiness rather thandesigning for richness, right?
For personal gain.
having a design for happinessrather than the bigger bank
account.
makes for a big difference.
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Oh, absolutely.
that's what it's all about.
I only ask about the momentbecause I remember a certain
moment where it happened to me Iwas just sitting I was working,
our bathroom had flooded, Therewas a leak underneath and I was
trying to fix it myself, it justcame to me that oh I can just
give up and just start althoughyou know and and it was our
dream home with a one and threeyear old and it all happened I
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remember specifically thatmoment like what I was wearing
what I look like all that youknow and Wow.
And I don't remember a lot ofthese tragic memories in life,
but that was one where itallowed for that.
And I've talked to other peoplewith that, so I just wonder if
you had a moment like that.
because I'm always curious as towhy we hold that moment
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specifically.
You being a brain expert, I justwas wondering if there's a
reason why we hold that moment.
I can certainly explain becausethe way I changed my life was
all of these good things startedto happen to me.
a new relationship showed up,then a business showed up and
then another business showed up.
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Before I knew it, I was buying abrand new motor home and
traveling around New Zealand, myhome country, just running my
businesses remotely.
And then we moved to Europe, andI bought a brand new yacht, and
we spent eight years sailingaround Europe.
all of these things were sort oflike falling into place like
dominoes.
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I remember another moment, wewere in a beautiful bay in the
Greek islands, on our own yacht,no other boats around, you wake
up in the morning, and the sunis coming through the windows,
you go up, fall off the back ofthe boat and have a swim in this
beautiful warm water in theGreek islands.
And then get this was whathappened to me and then getting
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up and drying off and going, youknow, I've got two businesses
that are working for me remotelyall around the world.
And here I am in the Greekislands.
Isn't this amazing?
But the difference between thatmoment.
And my previous life where I hadtwo businesses was, you know,
sometimes you just know thatyour life is working, that
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you're doing what you'resupposed to be doing.
Because I had no stress.
I had no problems.
The prison businesses were goingbrilliantly.
My life was going brilliantly.
And I thought this is so weirdbecause I really feel for the
first time that I'm achieving orI'm, I'm experiencing what I
thought I'd always experiencedby going after all those goals
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and trying to be successful,which is the feeling of being
successful, not being bound downby stress and problems.
And I thought, Why is it though,because it made me confused,
because I thought, why is itthat I put in all that effort
trying to reach my goals?
You know, I had all my goalsworked out.
Anytime anyone had anopportunity, I'd go for it.
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I'd always be looking for newways to improve and make more
money and have more ofeverything.
And I'd always be, seeking outmore information, reading lots
of books, doing everything Icould.
Why is it when I tried all thatapproach, everything just fell
apart?
But this approach, I wasn'tsetting any goals.
I wasn't trying to figureanything out.
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I wasn't chasing after anything.
Things were just coming to meand it was all working
perfectly.
This is the opposite ofeverything I've ever been told
about how you create success inyour life.
But this feels like success thatdidn't feel like success, even
though it might've looked likeit, but I had all the stress and
problems.
This is what real success is.
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So I said to myself, I'm goingto go and figure out what I'm
doing differently.
Because I knew I had to be doingsomething differently, and I
thought, I don't want to messthis up.
I want to figure out what it isI'm doing that is actually
creating results.
Not all the stuff I read in thebooks about goal setting and
using your mind in a certain wayand beliefs and all that sort of
stuff.
Because I tried all that, itdidn't work.
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So I thought, what is it thatI'm doing that really is
working, that's giving me theseresults?
And that's what I went on ajourney to figure out.
And when I started to figureout, I realized it was
completely different to anythingI'd ever been told before, but
maybe that's why I never reallygot the success that I wanted
before.
And that's what I share now withpeople, is what really creates
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the results in our life, and howyou can get what you actually
want, rather than living in alife of struggle, trying to
force things to happen.
Wow, that's powerful.
I mean, obviously when I'mhearing that, setting goals, we
all know that's a big deal.
You know, I have, guests whocome on and we talk about
visioning, which is settinggoals essentially, and
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quantifying them so we know howto hit them and all this stuff.
And you're saying that doesn'twork.
That wasn't success to you.
Is that what you're saying?
we could talk about goal settingThe reason that very few people
feel that they're successful isbe, maybe it's some something to
do with whatever we've beentold.
Works, doesn't work.
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if you ask anybody and anybodywho's listening or watching this
might be a question to askyourself.
What percentage of your goalsthat you, set for yourself do
you ever achieve?
And when I start working withpeople who come to me for help
with fear.
Life problems, if you like.
That's one of the firstquestions I ask them is what
percentage of your goals youactually achieve?
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Is it a hundred percent?
And they say no.
I say, well, is it ninetypercent?
Still get a shake of the head.
Is it eighty percent?
Is it 50%?
40?
30?
You know what the average forachievement of goals is?
It's about two to three percent.
Wow.
And it's not just me who saidthat.
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Other people that I've read havecome to that conclusion.
There's only a 2 3 percentsuccess rate on achieving goals.
And here we all are, thinkingwe've got to set our goals,
because everybody else istelling us, Nobody's reaching
their goals.
We're all telling ourselves weare, but it's not actually
working.
It's not what works.
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what I didn't realize is thefundamental reason why goal
setting doesn't work.
And I think we need toacknowledge when you understand,
why goal setting doesn't work,why it's unnatural, then you'll
realize that, we really havebeen told a lot of the wrong
things by people who keeprepeating this thing that goal
setting is the way to go.
It doesn't work.
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Wow.
Well, I mean, that's reallyalarming, right?
Two to 3%.
I had never heard that statisticthat low.
I would have guessed maybe 50%.
that's wild.
So, I mean, you teased us.
Why exactly doesn't it work?
Well, here's the thing that I'dbeen missing about success, The
thing that overrides everythingin our life that determines what
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happens to us and what weachieve above all else is
nature.
Nature rules.
We live in a biological body.
We live in a biological world.
There are rules around natureand I'll give you a good
example.
You could stand on the top of a10 story building and you could
say to yourself, I'm going tofly up in the air.
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Now you can meditate, you canpray, you can work on changing
your beliefs, your subconsciousmind.
You can convince yourself, youcan do all of these things.
But the second you walk off thatbuilding, you're going to fall
down.
Nature doesn't care what youthink or want.
Nature has its own rules.
And nature actually has a ruleabout biological survival.
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There are three important rules,but the most important rule is
the law if you were to ask anybiological scientist, what's the
overriding purpose, structure,or rule, of nature?
all of life exists for onething, and that is to survive.
That is what every living thingis programmed, biologically, to
do.
But how does it do that?
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Well, if you really think aboutit, if everything is striving to
survive, what it's reallystriving to do is to be the best
that it can be.
Because when it's the best thatit can be, it has the greatest
chance for survival.
And nature has a word, orscience has a word for this,
when a living thing is being thebest that it can be, and it's
called homeostasis.
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Homeostasis means the optimumfunctioning of the organism, and
every living thing is programmedbiologically to seek to achieve
and maintain this state ofoptimum functioning.
So that it has the greatestchance for survival, which is
its biological purpose.
So that's the overriding purposeof nature, is to make every
living thing as good as it canbe.
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Now for humans, we'rebiological, so we have that
purpose as well.
But if you were to ask mostpeople, do you feel that you're
being the best that you can be,they would go, no, I'm way off,
I've got all these problems andstress my body's not as good as
it can be and I'm not happy.
Very few people feel that theyare being the best that they can
be.
Which is really strange whenthat's the way we are
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biologically designed.
We're biologically designed tobe in this optimum state.
And the way we're designed to dothat, the way every living thing
is designed to do that, is touse a mechanism that's been
provided for that purpose, andthat's a brain.
So the brain is a mechanism, orwhat I call a machine, provided
for every living thing with onefunction.
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To make that organism achievehomeostasis, be the best that it
can be, so that it has thegreatest chance for survival.
So that it functions when it'sfunctioning optimally.
And of course, for us, what doesoptimal functioning mean?
It's not just physically beingas good as we can be, It's also
mentally and emotionally beingas good as we can be.
In other words, being happy.
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when I realized this, I thoughtthis is amazing because it makes
so much sense.
We're actually biologicallydesigned and programmed to be
happy, not to have problems, tobe the best that we can be, be
in this optimum state.
sometimes we have that feeling.
That we're in the flow of life,we're in the zone, and things
are going well, and everything'sfalling into place.
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we feel that, you know,gratitude and love, and we just
feel like, yeah, this is, thisis great.
But those moments don't oftenhappen.
the reason they don't oftenhappen is because the machine
that we have to make sure thathappens we're not using it the
right way.
We don't know how to drive it.
It's like a motor car.
a motor car is a machine, andthere's nothing complicated
about what it's designed to do.
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It's designed to get you fromwhere you are to where you want
to go.
Predictably, comfortably,enjoyably, it's just what it's
there to do.
it's not going to get you whereyou want to go, and it's not
going to give you a verypleasant ride.
You might think you'd have toget out from behind and push, if
you didn't know how a motor carworked.
if you didn't know what all thelevers were for, you're not
going to get very far.
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It's going to be a lot ofeffort, a lot of stress, and
you're going to think, what'swrong here?
why have I got so many problems?
And you might even blow up theengine.
So, it is the same with thebrain.
What a problem is, it's a sign,that this machine, the brain,
we're not using it the rightway.
Like any machine, if you use itthe wrong way, the result is
problems.
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So I didn't really understandany of this.
But when I started to explore itand it made such total sense,
then I thought, well, all I needto do is understand how the
brain works, how this machineworks and use it in a natural
way.
And when I started to explorethis, I realized that's the only
difference.
That was the only thing I wasdoing between my old stressed
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life and my new life whereeverything just seemed to work.
The only difference was how Iwas using my brain, how I was
using this mechanism.
And what I'm talking about hereis not anything to do with the
subconscious or, anytheoretical, concepts.
This is about your biologicalbrain.
I've created a model where thereare four different regions
inside your skull that all havea different function and
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purpose, and the way those fourregions are used determines the
results you get in your life.
Whether it's a life full ofproblems and stress, which is a
sign you're not using it theright way, or whether everything
flows to give you what you'resupposed to be here for, which
is to experience homeostasis,functioning optimally, mentally,
spiritually, emotionally, andphysically, so that you thrive.
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Are those the four?
That's what it comes down to.
Are those the four parts of thebrain?
Yeah, I've created a model, it'son my website, I've created a
model of the four differentparts.
And what I've done is, it's avery simple model, you know,
it's all backed by science andthey've all got fancy scientific
terms but I've simplified it tohelp people understand it
because this is very simplestuff because it's natural.
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We're naturally designed to belike this.
The only reason we're not iswe've learned all of these
things like life is hard.
You have to set goals.
You don't know enough.
You have to overcome challenges.
difficulties are good for you.
You're always going to haveproblems.
we've been taught all of thesethings and all that does is make
sure that we're using our brainin the wrong way.
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if you look at the rest ofnature, there is no struggle.
There is no force.
There is no setting goals.
even in the Bible, it wasinteresting that, I was brought
up a Christian, I did study theBible because I thought, Even at
a young age, maybe I can learnhere on how to be successful.
But in the Bible, it says, theBible turns out to be one of the
best manuals on how to use yourbrain that exists.
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Because what does it say in theBible?
Do not worry about what youshall eat, drink and wear.
It will be provided for you andgive no thought for tomorrow.
Tomorrow will take care ofitself.
it says.
Do not worry about what you willeat, drink, or wear.
It will be provided for you.
You don't have to go out andearn it.
It's going to be provided foryou.
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People might say, well, hang on,that can't be right.
Everyone knows you have to workfor something, but it turns out
that the way your brain worksand the way all of nature works
is it's about some effort, butit's not about struggle.
And it's about allowing thingsto show up in your life with the
least amount of struggle.
And that's exactly how it worksbiologically.
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So we give, you know, what isthe right way to go about
thinking about these?
You say don't worry, just goabout your day without worry,
and you're gonna be inhomeostasis and happy and
successful.
is it just that simple?
It is that simple, but whatmakes it difficult for people is
that they don't understand whythat works.
But I can explain why thatworks.
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Have you ever been, if we talkabout what is your optimum
functioning, what homeostasisis, I mentioned a little bit
earlier about, you know,sometimes you have that feeling
that everything's going well inyour life and, Things are
happening without too muchstruggle and effort.
there's this part of the brain,which I call the creative brain
that manages your life to ensureyou maintain homeostasis.
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And this part of your brain,it's located right in the very
centre of your, centre of yourskull.
What comes out of this brain, orwhat its functions are, are
creativity, your imagination.
Your inspiration, yourintuition, it's where you get
those gut feelings of somethingabout I should do that, or I
shouldn't do that.
You know, that little voicewithin us.
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It's where you get new ideasfrom.
you've been working on somethingand struggling with a problem
for weeks or months or years anda lot of inventors and creative
people have talked about this.
They've worked away on a problemfor years, and then suddenly
you're doing something else andyou get the answer to the
problem Oh, that's so obvious.
Why didn't I think of thatbefore?
Now, that's all come from adifferent part of your brain.
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what's the thing that this hasall got in common?
It's not a struggle.
It's not an effort.
It's not something you're outthere trying to make happen.
It just comes to you.
composers of music talk aboutthis.
If you watch an interview withany songwriter, they're often
asked, where did you get theidea for that song?
You know what they all say?
Exactly the same thing.
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It just came to me.
I don't know where it came from.
It's just all of a sudden Iheard it in my head and then I
just wrote it down.
So where does it come from?
This is the natural, biologicalway we're designed to live.
Not without struggle, butgetting the right ideas at the
right time, acting on the rightideas, not acting on the wrong
ideas, Doesn't that createproblems in our life?
and getting everything we need.
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If we have a problem, show up,getting the answers to it and
putting an effort, buteverything flowing.
And, and many people have talkedabout this, tried to understand
the state and talked about beingin the flow, being in the zone,
being in the state Life, yourbrain, is making everything work
for you without struggle,without force.
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how do you explain coincidenceand synchronicity and things
that just show up out of theblue like they did for me when I
had nothing and then someonecame in and said, here's a
chance to open a business foryou.
And I did.
We all have these experienceswhere good things happen to us
and we go, I wonder how thathappened.
We don't realize our brain hasthe power to do that.
It has the power to make theright things happen for you.
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It gives you the power to seethe opportunities that are
there.
act on them.
this is the way we're supposedto be.
if I could interject for asecond, what I'm hearing is,
oftentimes you hear, meditationexperts visioning experts or,
Athletes or what have you when,when you talk about, you know,
developing setting, setting,there's still some of the
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people, maybe the confusing goalsetting with visioning where
they, they still picturesomething to go after, And the
brain starts to work towards it.
It just seems to happen by.
You're setting that intentionand having some clear vision
around it and going after it,right?
So, how is that different?
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I might not be describing thatright.
Maybe it's me, but I knowexactly what you're saying.
But here's the problem withthat, and it comes down to goal
setting.
If you've got a part of yourbrain, It knows exactly what
your life should look like foryou to be at optimum
functioning.
In other words, for you to betruly happy, for you to be truly
fulfilled, doing everything withthe least amount of resistance,
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because, resistance isn'tnatural.
If you look at the naturalworld, Everything flows.
It's the path of leastresistance.
if you ride a bicycle into thewind, it's a lot harder and you
don't get very far compared toriding with the wind.
nature is built around the pathof least resistance.
imagine if your brain, yourcreative brain, knows exactly
what you need to have in yourlife for you to be your absolute
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best.
But you don't know.
You think you know, but youcan't.
Because when I was lying on mymother's couch trying to figure
out what I should do with mylife, if someone had said to me,
This is your goal.
if I'd said to myself, right, mygoal is I'm going to meet this
amazing person like this.
We're going to sail around theworld in our own yacht for eight
years, and I'm going to do allof these things.
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I'm going to be managing twobusinesses remotely, and I'm
going to be learning all abouthow the brain works, and really
helping people from all aroundthe world to make breakthroughs
in their life by understandingat last exactly how we're wired
to be.
If someone had told me that, Iwould have thought that was,
they're insane, for two reasons.
One is I didn't know that Icould achieve it.
I'd be like, sail a yacht?
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How do you do that?
I had done a bit of sailing, butyou know, around the
Mediterranean, come on.
And the second reason I wouldn'thave believed it was because I
didn't know that's what Iwanted.
how many times do we have thingsin our life that we go, Wow, I
never knew that this wouldhappen, but it's great.
I'm so glad it did, but I couldhave never figured it out.
And here's the biological reasonwhy, trying to figure out what
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you should have in your life, orwhat your goals should be, in
other words, why it doesn'twork.
it comes down to another law ofnature, which is the law of
biological efficiency.
through billions of years,nature has figured out that the
best way for anything to surviveis through the conservation of
energy, which means the maximumamount of result for the minimum
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amount of energy expended.
So nature is super good atconserving energy.
And when you think about us incaveman times, we might have
been able to find food for aweek.
So we had to find a way toconserve all of our energy so
that we survived and could stillHave enough energy to go out and
catch food after a week.
So knowing that's the case, whatis the most biologically
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efficient way for your brain toensure that you reach the
perfect state, doing all of theperfect things that you're
designed to do to make you superhappy and fulfilled in your
life?
Well, if it was to show you thegoal, what would you do?
You'd go, hang on a moment.
You're telling me I'm going tobe sailing on a yacht.
no, that doesn't sound right.
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how on earth can I get there?
that doesn't make any sense.
What's happening?
You're not doing anything.
You're not moving towards that.
You're wasting all that time,all that energy, analyzing,
trying to think it out.
that's not biologicallyefficient.
It's not the way to do it.
So you say, okay, don't show methe goal.
Just show me the next 10 steps.
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And then, you write it all out.
Your brain shows you the 10steps and you go, okay.
And then what do you do?
You look at it and go, stepnumber three, is that really
what I should do?
I better check that out and justmake sure, what are you doing?
You're analyzing, you'redoubting, you're figuring it
out.
You're not taking any action.
You're wasting all of thatenergy.
the way your brain is designedto get you to where you're
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supposed to be, it shows you onestep at a time, shows you the
very next step.
you have to let go of all ofyour expectation about where you
think you should be headed andrealize that your brain is going
to take you in the perfectdirection.
I interviewed a gentleman.
He's retired now, but he had abusiness.
He had a million customers in 85countries.
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He had 500 staff.
He had two private jets.
He was hugely successful.
And I said to him, how did youachieve all of that?
And he said, I don't know.
He said, it wasn't on any goalslist that I had.
I would never have dreamt that Icould have achieved all this.
And what I learned to do wasjust take it one step at a time.
I've heard this from so manysuccessful people.
If you ask them, how did youreally achieve what you achieved
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in your life?
They'll, if they're honest,they'll say.
I just did it.
That's the whole point.
And that's why setting goalskeeps you stuck.
How do you know which directionto take that step in?
You don't need to know.
Your brain will show you.
when you're using this part ofyour brain, you're going to see
exactly what to do.
And even better, you're going tofind yourself doing it.
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how many times do we think Ishould do that?
But we don't, we're afraid totake that step, or we're
worried, or we try and analyzeit, we don't take that step.
But when you live in this flowstate, when you're in
homeostasis, when you'reactivating what I call the
creative brain, and you've gotall of these resources, you just
naturally find the next stepshows up.
And it's a little bit like why Ireached out to you to be on your
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show.
I'd never met you.
I didn't know anything aboutyou.
It just felt like the right nextstep.
Now, where does it go from here?
I have no clue.
What matters is I'm here rightnow, and I'm talking to you, and
I'm sharing this information.
It doesn't matter where it goes,it will go in the right
direction.
Your brain is biologicallydesigned to make sure that it
does go in the right direction.
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It's there protecting you,trying to bring you to the state
of homeostasis.
And all you need to do ismaintain the right brain state
to allow all of these functionsto do their job and stop getting
in the way, which is what we doThere's another part of our
brain that keeps us stuck.
It's the part that creates theproblems.
Fear.
It's the part that stops us fromsolving problems and keeps us
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stuck.
It's activated by fear.
When you feel fear, stress,worry, frustration, you're
changing your brain state on abiological level and you're
deactivating your creativebrain, you're activating
something I call the survivalbrain, which has only got one
purpose and that is to fight offany threat or danger to your
physical survival.
It's not there to solve yourproblems.
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It doesn't have a clue about howto solve your problems.
Knows how to create problems bygetting you to react and do the
wrong things, but it's just atool or a weapon of self
defense.
and it's activated by fear,stress, worry, and those
negative emotions.
So what most people don'trealize is they've activated
this part of their brain becausethey're feeling stressed,
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afraid, worried, anxious, all ofthose things, and they're trying
to figure out their life.
They're trying to fix theirlife, and they say to
themselves, I'm so unhappy.
What can I do to be happy?
What do I need to do next?
How can I figure this out?
and what happens, you just getconfused.
You say, I can't think straight.
I don't know what to do.
Maybe I need to be rich.
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I'll write down my goal is tohave a million dollars.
But that part of your braindoesn't know the answer to any
of that.
It doesn't know how to solve anyof your problems.
And that's what keeps peoplestuck, trying to figure stuff
out for their whole life, Excuseme, Liam, I know we're getting
close to the end, so I justgotta know, This is fascinating
stuff, right?
And I think we've identified theproblem and the solution, but
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really I want to focus on somemeat and potatoes here, that we
can give our listeners.
What can we do to deactivatethat survival state of the
brain, with fear and stress andactivate that no worry
homeostasis what can we doconsciously to switch gears like
that?
What we have to do, andremember, this isn't really a
quick fix.
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It's like saying, what do weneed to do to lose weight?
Well, I can tell you what youneed to do, but.
You need to do it.
You need to get into a differenthabit.
what you need to realize is whatis triggering, there are things
in your world that aretriggering this fear state.
They're creating beliefs andtriggers within your brain
that's making your brain say,It's not safe.
It's dangerous.
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There's a threat.
so what you need to do isidentify the triggers and block
the triggers.
Stop the triggers fromactivating that part of your
brain.
Really simply put, stop allowinganything that makes you feel bad
into your environment.
And people say, well, do youmean just walk around and feel
good no matter what's going on?
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Absolutely.
That's what you need to do.
And people say, well, I can't dothat.
I've got too many problems.
There's too much going on in mylife.
But there are lots of triggers.
And this is what I help peopleidentify is what the triggers
are in their life, because mostof them they're not aware of,
here are a couple of simpleones.
Watching the news.
How does that make you feel?
Does that make you feel bad?
Switch it off.
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you've got rid of a trigger.
People say, well, I can't switchoff the news.
You have to stay informed.
Really?
if you knew your life dependedon not putting more negative
stuff into it, would you do it?
Yeah.
If I came along to you with aglass of hydrochloric acid and
said, drink this, would youdrink it?
No.
it wouldn't matter what I saidabout how justified it would, I
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said, felt in telling you shoulddrink it.
You say, no way.
It doesn't matter what the, whatthe justification.
So it doesn't matter thejustification that what you
think you should do, likewatching the news.
If it makes you feel bad, it'striggering the wrong part of
your brain.
Other things, having aconversation with somebody about
something you're not enjoying orthat's making you feel stressed.
You need to say, sorry, I've gotto go and do something else and
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nice to meet you.
Or change the subject.
That's another trigger.
Other triggers are likerelationships, people, our job
or our business or even in ourmarriage.
If something's making you feelbad, the stakes are too high.
You have to find a way toeliminate it.
And often you can just walk awayand often you end the
relationship or you fix therelationship.
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But all of these triggers,there's a lot of them.
And once you start reducingthem, you start to allow your
brain to see things in adifferent way.
You see life in a different wayand you start to let go.
And what does it say in theBible?
this great success manual, benot afraid 365 times it says, be
not afraid.
Now it's not saying try not tobe afraid of saying, be not
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afraid because when you feelfear.
You've shut yourself off fromyour creative brain.
You've shut yourself off fromall of the resources that God or
intelligence or nature, whateveryou want to call it, has given
you to give you the best lifepossible.
So it doesn't matter how hardyou try, if you're not using
that machine in the right wayand you've cut that off, there's
nothing I can do for you.
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Sorry, so it's all about that'sgreat.
You know, it is something I liketo say I'm very protective of
the energy around me and thatincludes the people surround
yourself with right?
So there's a lot of people thathave changed in my life that I
still care for but I don't havethem around in my life including
family because it goes back toNegativity, you know, the world
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is coming to an end this iseverything that's going to go
wrong rather than thinking aboutwhat can go right, or where's
opportunity, I've even changed aquestion in our Wayfinder 4,
which is probably a good segueto identify opportunity.
as I've surrounded myself morewith high achieving, positive
people that I want to be around,I noticed that's the way they
think.
They're constantly looking foropportunity and being positive.
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if they even smell fear or,Negativity you're immediately
shunned and there's a goodreason.
this is biology We're nottalking about anything esoteric
here.
This is pure biology people whoare successful if they're truly
feeling happy and balanced intheir life, this is the way they
naturally operate.
You're right They don't wantnegative stuff in your life this
you don't need it And it's,it's, it's being aware that this
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has a biological effect on yourbrain.
This is the way you're designed.
the great thing is when youreally get this life becomes a
lot more enjoyable.
You don't worry about what'sgoing to happen.
You know that it's all going toturn out fine this isn't
positive thinking.
Positive thinking doesn't work.
This is knowing.
I mean, how many things do weknow that we don't worry about?
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We know our heart's going tokeep beating.
We know we're going to keepbreathing.
We know that when we're drivingon the road, all the cars on the
other side are going to stay ontheir side and not hit us.
we don't worry about thembecause we know that's just the
way it works.
So when you start using yourbrain the right way, start
activating your creative brainand seeing the results in your
life and feeling the difference,you go, well, this is just the
way it works.
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I don't need to worry about it.
I just do what shows up the verynext thing.
And that's when life becomes anadventure.
we're not supposed to knowwhat's going to happen in the
future.
We're supposed to enjoy what'shappening right now.
most of us, unfortunately, arenever here right now to enjoy
it.
We're always somewhere else,trying to get somewhere else.
And that's why we're not livingthe way we're naturally designed
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to live being in thishomeostasis best that we can be
state.
Yeah.
This show will be coming out,mid September.
we're going to be at the peak ofelection season here in the
United States.
I know you're in Denmark.
I want to touch back on what yousaid about the news.
it is all around us I don'twatch the news, I haven't
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watched the news in, years.
I never know what's happeningaround me except, with things
like the national elections itcreeps up everywhere.
You can't look at your socialmedia.
You can't, pick up a paper.
You can't go anywhere without itbeing in your face.
And already it's having aneffect on me.
this morning, I was out on myrun with my running team and,
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somehow politics came up.
We never talk about politics,but now it's coming up and you
can immediately feel, eventhough we're all probably
similarly aligned, you canalready feel the tension build
up.
I think we really got to becareful.
at the end of the day, it is totheir advantage to put fear in
us, to be negative, to get onthe news, about the other side
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and, it's really bad stuff.
So I'd say we really got to becareful with that to allow us to
stay in homeostasis.
the most advanced, knowledgeablepeople, neuroscientists, people
who understand human behavior.
And how the brain works, all ofthe stuff that I'm talking
about.
this is science for the peoplewho really understand this, the
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highest paid people, work formajor corporations and
governments.
And one of the things theyrealize is if you control the
way to control people is byputting them in a fearful state,
because if you think about it,biologically, one of the
functions, when you're a fearfulstate.
Is that's a sign from your braintelling you you're faced with an
immediate threat or danger.
And if you lived in prehistorictimes, imagine the tribe was
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coming over the hill to kill youall what does the tribe need to
do?
It needs to have one person telleverybody else what to do.
So when you're in a fearfulstate, you are far more
receptive and vulnerable tosomebody else telling you what
to do and what to think, becauseyour brain is looking for
direction.
It's saying, I have a problem.
What do I do?
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Now the military uses, fear tomake people do things they would
never otherwise do, which iskill other people So this is a
biological process.
what we don't realize is it'snot just fear blocking our
creative resources.
It's literally making ussusceptible to the ideas and
direction of other people ratherthan using our own awareness.
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this is why you see peoplewalking around in fear all the
time, consuming all the news.
It's like an addiction.
literally being programmed,their brain has been programmed
to consume more.
Do what we tell you, you know,and not only do what we tell
you, but see what we tell you isimportant to tell yourself that
that's important.
Because remember, you don't haveany control over your life and
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you have problems and needsolutions, you need to spend
money and have other people tellyou how to live your life.
That's all part of theprogramming of this part of the
brain, so you need to get out ofthat.
we're not weak people.
We're designed with this amazingmachine to make us live the best
life possible.
It does it for the rest ofnature.
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This is all quite powerfulstuff, really.
It is very powerful.
Liam, we can keep going on this,and I also never even got to
talk into, I was really curiousabout your life because you're a
nomadic person right now, andthat's something I'm very
curious about, we're going tohave to get you back on because
there's too much to talk abouthere.
In the meantime, I'd like toswitch over to our world famous
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Wayfinder 4.
So, Liam, can you give us a hackthat you use?
This is something like ashortcut you use every day to be
more productive Best thing youcan do, take the next step and
the next one will be revealed.
Say to yourself, what do I feelmotivated to do right now?
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And make it a really small step.
It could be open your email orclose your email.
Could be go for a walk.
Could be go up to your wife orhusband and give them a hug.
Make it a really small step andsay to yourself, all I'm going
to focus on is doing that nextstep and seeing what it feels
like and not looking any furtherthan that and seeing what the
next step is that shows up.
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But don't, don't worry aboutwhether you're going to make a
mistake.
Don't act out of fear or stopyourself acting out of fear.
Just take the very next step.
And literally, people I'vespoken to who've done that, not
only have become millionairesfrom doing it, if you like, if
that's their path, but they'verealised that it's It's, it's
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really what creates happiness inyour life.
You are literally going to geton the right track by doing
that.
I love that.
Uh, Liam, how about a favorite?
Could be a book, movie,activity, hobby.
Well, my favorite film of alltime is, uh, maybe showing my
age, it's called The Matrix.
Oh, yeah.
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And you know, in the Matrix, themaster Morpheus is trying to
teach Neo about how, who hereally is that he's not
controlled by this programming.
And he says to him, you have tolet it all go, fear, doubt, and
disbelief.
You have to let it all go.
You have to free your mind.
And fear, doubt, and disbeliefis what keeps you a prisoner.
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So that's one of the reasons,it's an amazing film, if people
haven't watched it, I highlyrecommend it.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know anybody who hasn'twatched it.
It's a classic for sure.
Yeah.
And one that you can get morefrom every time you watch,
right?
It's very deep.
Yeah.
How about a piece of advice foryour younger self?
Just let go and not worry somuch about what's going to
happen.
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Focus more on how you feelrather than trying to do
something to make you feelbetter.
Just focus on feeling better.
And also, start to really lookinto nature and how nature
works.
And realize there's somethingvery powerful, there's an
intelligence there that is farmore powerful than what you're
going to find in any book orwhat you are trying to figure
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out.
It's got, you know, just a quickthing, this, this mechanism I'm
talking about that heals yourlife, that wants the best for
you to put you in homeostasis.
How do you imagine your fingerheals if you cut it?
You don't sit there and try andfigure it out and focus on it
and visualize your finger healedand set a goal that it's going
to be healed and worry about it.
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You just know it's naturallyyour body.
There's all of these gazillionthings that are going on inside
you all the time.
They're all going to go to workto heal the finger and get you
back to being healthy.
So that's the same process weneed to understand for our life.
That's what it'll do for ourlife, not just the finger.
It's going to do for our wholelife.
It's exactly the same principleand process at work.
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So well put.
What about a big opportunitythat you see out there?
Well, I don't know if you callit an opportunity, but I just
see so many people strugglingand they're, they're really
trying and they're, they don'tknow why they're stressed and
they're trying to put so muchmore effort into any, everything
to try and get out of thesituation they're in and really
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to try and get rid of theirstress.
So I think the opportunity thatI see is for people to
understand.
this complete shift in the wayyou look at how you live your
life.
And the more you understand it,the more you naturally are going
to do it.
And it's really like, as it saysin the matrix, it's a bit like,
I can show you the door, butyou're the one who has to step
through it.
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But once you step through thatdoor, the opportunity is to
realize there's a completelydifferent way to live.
And we've been really led downthe wrong track.
We've been given all the wrongideas about who we are, what our
brain is, what we're designed todo.
And that's what keeps, has keptus struggling.
Yeah, that's, that's reallygood.
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How about, um, if people want toknow any more about you, how can
they find you, Liam?
Well, my, there's my website,liamnayden.
com, but, but actually there'ssomething I've just created.
I'd really like to share it withyour, with your listeners.
If they send me an email andjust send it to course, c o u r
s e at liamnayden.
com, they'll instantly get amini course I've just created.
(51:51):
Which is about how to, what Icall how to unlock your rapid
solution brain.
And this is a technique that'shidden within the teachings of
religion and something that I'veuncovered about how the brain
works.
But it's a technique you can useto find pretty well an instant
solution to almost any problemjust by using your brain
differently.
So it's a really powerful ideaof, it's quite simple, but it's,
(52:13):
it's all contained in this minicourse that I've created.
So if people just send an emailto course at liamnayden.
com, they'll, they'll get that.
Free course.
Oh, excellent.
Well, thank you so much forthat.
That was very generous and Liam.
This was a Incredibly thoughtprovoking Conversation.
I I'm sure our listeners got alot out of this We also probably
(52:35):
need to get you back because Ithink that there's there's more
to add on to I think we all fallinto In today's world in how
connected we are.
We we do fall into a lot of fearAnd disbelief and disturbance
and it just causes a lot ofstress and it's not letting us
live in that state ofhomeostasis, like you say, that
we should be living in and helpus achieve success.
(52:57):
So thank you for sharing thatbackground with us and your
wisdom and hope to have you backon.
I'd love to.
Yeah.
And that's really what I'mtrying to do as well as create a
community of people who thinkwho understand this, because
once you start getting it,you're right.
Most people don't.
And they're going to try andpull you back into the old way
that's based on stress andstruggle and you have to watch
(53:19):
the news and you have to do allthese things and you have to set
goals.
So, you know, having asupportive community or other
people who are on the samejourney, I think that's, that's
really helpful and that's partof what I do as well.
That's excellent.
Thank you so much.
I look forward to learning moreabout that.
Take care, Liam.
Thanks very much.
Thank you, Leo.
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