June 24, 2025 • 39 mins
Bill Z is the founder of Good Life, LLC, and creator of the Life By Design System and Zen Score app. He shares his journey from a successful career in tech to helping people achieve purposeful and balanced lives through his Life Score system. The discussion spans the importance of health, purposeful living, and the power of relationships. Bill introduces his scoring system that assesses key life areas to help individuals identify strengths and weaknesses and offers actionable advice to improve overall well-being. Ideal for anyone feeling stuck or looking to enhance their life quality.
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Speaker 4 (00:00):
We're happiest when we're making progress.
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So if you have something youwant to do or goal and you're,
and you feel like you're makingprogress on it, you're, you just
feel happier.
Yeah.
Like I have a night where I goto bed and I got nothing done
that day.
I'm like, miserable.
I'm like, shit, how did I letthis day go by?
Speaker 6 (00:27):
Welcome to the Wayfinder Show with Louis
Hernandez, where guestsdiscussed the why and how of
making changes that led themdown a more authentic path or
allowed them to level up in someareas of their life.
Our goal is to dig deep andprovide not only knowledge, but
actionable advice to help youget from where you are to where
you want to be.
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Come join us and find a way toyour dream life.
Speaker (01:03):
Welcome back to the Wayfinder Show.
I'm your host, Louis Hernandez,and today's guest is Bill Z.
Bill or also known as Bill Z.
Yes.
Bill is the, yeah.
He is the founder of Good Life,LLC, creator of Life By Design,
the Life by Design System, andthe Zen Score app, and he's also
(01:25):
the author of What's Your LifeScore?
After a successful career intech with companies like Oracle
and Tulip, bill shifted to.
His focus to helping people livewith purpose and balance his
life score system based on eightkey life areas, guides, people
to design a life that'sintentional and not accidental.
(01:46):
Bill, welcome to the WayfinderShow.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Thank you, Louise.
I'm psyched to be here.
It should be a great show.
Speaker (01:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm excited to have you.
And we're also yeah I lovehaving people from back home.
As our listeners know, I'm fromRhode Island and you're from
right next door toMassachusetts.
It's good to have, i'm,
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I'm right outside of Boston, big Boston sports fan.
Got three boys.
We're lucky.
It's a great sports town.
Speaker (02:08):
It really is, man.
It's, you don't realize it tillyou leave.
Like how spoiled.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How spoiled
Speaker 3 (02:14):
are
Speaker 2 (02:14):
you?
Speaker (02:14):
Yeah.
And then you go somewhere andyou can go other places I've
lived now can go for decadeswithout a year.
Then you always have a good teamin Boston that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Not to pile on, but I'm also a Yukon grad, so my
Yukon Husky.
Oh yeah.
Our strong basketball program aswell.
So I'm pretty spoiled.
Speaker (02:31):
They came back.
Yeah.
When I was a kid.
I remember they were like adominant force and anyone for
many years without reallycompeting, but now they're back
in full force, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Excellent.
Bill tell us I'm going to starta little bit different.
You were in the corporate world
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker (02:49):
And you left to become, to create the good life.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah.
Speaker (02:54):
So that kind of insinuates that the corporate
world is not the good life.
Tell us why you did this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah.
Yeah, so for 25 plus years.
I had the corporate job.
I was fortunate to land insoftware right outta college,
which, is lucky in, in that Ihad some skills around
programming, analytics, and it'sa great place to be the last 25
years, right?
Software was eaten the world.
(03:22):
So I did well there.
And was able to have a nice,balanced life, raise my family
and stuff, but Sutton was stillmissing.
So I really wanted to dosomething that was mine, but
also gave me more financialfreedom to, and more, actually,
I should take that time, freedomto do whatever I want, right?
And to work with whoever Iwanted and hire the people I
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wanted.
And that was part of changing, Imet a couple friends about seven
years ago.
They were starting this GreenBusiness Bureau startup, and
they needed marketing help.
I said, you know what?
I'm done with kind of managing70 people and million dollar
operational budgets.
Let's do something fresh andnew.
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We did that Green BusinessBureau startup sold that a few
years ago.
Now I'm doing my own.
I bootstrapped this good life.
The Good Life Company.
I'm the a hundred percent owner.
It's a software company that'sjust gonna help people get good
at life'cause life's hard.
And I've created some softwaretools, mobile apps to help
people.
Speaker (04:23):
Okay what does that mean to be good at life though?
Yeah, it sounds like you weregood at it.
You had a great career and Yeah.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, so good at life, right?
So I think obviously it's being,becoming healthy, happy,
fulfilled, all those things thatyou think of someone living the
good life and maybe financially,independent as well.
All those things.
So for me, it came down to.
Not just balance.
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'cause when people thinkbalance, they think, okay, work
and non-work.
I'm really talking about abigger pie.
Some people call it the wheel oflife.
I actually have this acronym inmy book and in my software
called Help Grow based on theeight categories you, so you're
looking at your health, you'relooking at your environment, the
EL for leisure, P for purpose, Gfor growth, R for relationships,
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O for occupation, W for wealth.
Those are the eight areas youwanna invest in time.
So you want to get good inwealth.
There's 15 things I documented,save 10% of your paycheck.
Have an IRA have a six, sixmonth rainy day fund.
Stay diver like.
And then if you wanna have canyou,
Speaker (05:30):
I'm sorry, I'm gonna, can you go through those again
real quick?
Wealth?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah.
Let's go through help, helpgrow.
So spell out, you could on yourpad spell out help.
H-E-L-P-G-R-W.
Speaker (05:41):
Oh help.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
H is for health.
E for environment.
Leisure is LP for purpose.
So that's the help part.
And then G for growth, R forrelationships, O for occupation,
and W is for wealth.
And it's fun.
I go back 20 years.
I used to create a littlespreadsheet in December.
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Around New Year's and look backat those eight areas, how did I
do last year with myrelationships, with my career,
with my wealth, and what do Iwant to do next year?
So it became a little routinefor me to do this like
scorecard.
And that's what turned into mycompany.
I now built a software versionof a life score.
Speaker (06:21):
Yeah.
That's pretty interesting there.
What you, so I'm assuming likefamily would fall under
relationships.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yes.
Really?
Speaker (06:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah.
In fact, relationships is themost important factor in a.
Healthy long life.
Yeah.
Some of my core framework isbased on this book called The
Good Life from these two Harvardprofessors.
I don't know if you heard aboutthe study they did of these 3000
families.
Yeah.
Over eight years.
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And by far the biggestindicator.
Of happiness, fulfillment in alonger life by 10 years was the
people around you, your partner,your family, and your friends in
your circle.
If you had the right peoplearound you, you outlived and
were much healthier.
Speaker (07:04):
Yeah.
You know what's interestingabout that?
I a couple of weeks back I wasat the Berkshire Hathaway annual
meeting Oh yeah.
And where Warren Buffet said, hewas stepping down.
So it's his last annual meeting.
Yeah.
And I've been going for years.
I go every year.
And and this one was very inwhat really stood out more than
anything to me was just this.
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Just that he just kept talkingover and over about his
relationships in life and howimportant that is.
And if you find somebody goodthat in your life, you hold onto
them, yeah.
And develop that as much aspossible.
And he said that, he just keptsaying that over and over, like
that is the, that is realwealth.
That is real, really the goodlife more than anything.
Here's a guy who sits up there,drinks two cans of Coke.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah.
Speaker (07:48):
Goes and eats a Big Mac on the way home and
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah.
You know what
Speaker (07:51):
It health, he doesn't define that way.
It's all about hisrelationships.
I know.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And he's a testament.
So two things on Warren Buffet.
'cause I'm a big fan.
I listened.
I've never been in person, sothat, that's amazing.
Yeah.
But I look at him and I'm like.
Holy shit.
The guy's 95 and still with it.
Like I got another 30, 40 goodyears in me.
I can't just retire and donothing for the next 30
something years.
Yeah.
But he has my best quote forhim, and I use it in my book is,
(08:19):
you talk about how would youmeasure success in someone's
life?
And he says, the best indicatorat the end of your life is how
many people love you.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That's
Speaker 2 (08:28):
brilliant, right?
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Like that to me, that tells you what kind of life a
person had.
Speaker (08:34):
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's powerful.
There's so many great quotesthat come from him.
Yeah.
No, I know.
Smart, smart guy that sum itwell.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's why he's a billionaire.
He is a smart guy.
Speaker (08:42):
Yeah.
And that's the funny thing aboutit.
I think everybody gets drawn tohim because he's he takes these
big concepts and break'em,breaks'em down.
So in, in such digestible wayswith these quotes that, you can
write.
A book of them.
There have been many, but.
I think at the end of the day,that's why we all go to this and
we think we're gonna learn howto be rich right.
In, in, in a financial way.
(09:04):
But then you hear and yourealize, you leave there at the
end of the weekend and you justfeel so wholesome and good and
hardly learned anything aboutwealth building in a, it really
does become number one about therelationships and Yeah, and
that's why I've always keptgoing back, just people I met
years ago go there once a yearto see them again and that.
That relationship gets biggerand stronger and we invest
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together and what have you.
And it just compounds like whathe talks about and it just
naturally, organically, it'spretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, it is.
It is.
It is amazing.
And people say, oh, you haveyour personal life and your work
life.
Some of my best friends arepeople I work with over the
years.
Yeah.
Friends you wanna work withpeople you like,
Speaker (09:44):
totally.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
He does.
He loves the people around him.
Yeah.
And if he did it, they'd be outof there
Speaker (09:50):
a hundred percent.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And it's not a lot of people heworks with either, which is
really shocking.
With all of the companies thatBerkshire owns, I think it's
over 700,000 employees I'veread.
And in his corporate office is12 people.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's crazy.
Speaker (10:04):
Isn't that wild?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah.
Doesn't he still drive a Hondaor something stupid like that
too?
It's
Speaker (10:10):
I don't know.
We went to his house and lookedwe went to his house and we did
look through, and I'm trying toremember what the cars that were
there were, but they, theydefinitely weren't like Bentleys
or anything very fancy.
Oh, yeah.
There was a lot of, guardswatching the people there.
But yeah, that weekend it getsbombarded, yeah.
Yeah.
Anyways, you know what about soclearly you, you have that as
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number one and kudos to you.
Obviously, if the Oracle ofOmaha says that, then you guys
are in full alignment which saysa lot about you.
But what about what would yousay is the most neglected?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Let's see.
Probably, everyone spends waytoo much on, on their wealth
part and their career part.
I think unfortunately health andespecially for the younger
people is neglected.
They just take it for granted.
As you get older, you can't youhave to unless you're healthy
(11:02):
and have energy, you can light.
Life sucks, right?
Yeah.
So you gotta take care of thatand people don't realize how
they either have the wrong diet.
Don't have their heart's not ingood condition.
They're overweight.
And that leads into spill overinto poor performance and all
these other areas in your life.
So I, I would say don't forgetabout your health.
(11:25):
Start there.
Okay.
I now,'cause I'm older, I'm inmy fifties, so I got my routine.
I do my stretch.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
On the Peloton bike, I do some weights, right?
And it helps burn off stress bythe way, but also gets the blood
flowing and energy going.
Speaker (11:41):
Yeah, I've I'm gonna ask you next about environment,
but it leads into, I.
It before that with health.
I find that having lived indifferent parts of the country
now and just being a student ofcommunities and societies and
what have you I feel like theemphasis on health can often
vary based on like where youlive, right?
Like here in America in general,I think we have much less
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emphasis on health.
It's all quick fix in general,but then even within America, we
have areas of the country thatare just so much.
Less attuned to health concerns.
I
Speaker 2 (12:16):
couldn't agree more.
I think the stereotype,unfortunately, the, the fat
Americans when you go travel inEurope is totally here.
And it's healthy, smallportions, healthy food, not
processed.
It's not that they eatdifferently, but they eat
healthier.
Speaker (12:33):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So that's part of their, just.
Fabric in a lot of countries andit's not here.
Speaker (12:41):
Yeah.
Sure.
I've given this littletestimonial before where a, a
couple years now, I went toJapan and I remember I hadn't
had a burger in months'cause Iwas training for something and
finally I had one after my eventthere.
And, and it felt great.
It was delicious.
Absolutely delicious.
I could've, as an American Iwanted more, right?
Yeah.
(13:01):
But I did, I had one and ittasted great, felt great the
whole time.
Then I get back and I land inLAX to transfer back to Denver
and LAX.
There was one of those fufu gov.
Gourmet burger places.
And I go and I'm like, oh,another burger.
I want one.
And I, and I, first of all, Ipaid five times as much as I
paid in Japan.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But then I get it and the greaseis falling off the bun and
(13:24):
dripping down my fingers.
And I have and within a half anhour of eating it, I just felt
like crap.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah.
Speaker (13:29):
And that right there goes to show you just the
difference.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I agree.
Speaker (13:33):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah.
Speaker (13:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Schism, it's what it takes to drive sales so that,
they drive the advertising ofthese products,
Speaker (13:43):
and you
Speaker 2 (13:44):
crave them and they're delicious, they're not
good for you.
Speaker (13:47):
No.
And you can feel it now.
So Yeah.
Especially as we get older youfeel it right away.
Tell us a little bit aboutenvironment.
What what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So it's actually, home environment because, okay,
but that would kill my help growspelling, right?
I needed that e so I, I wentwith a home environment.
But you're home.
You spend so much time at home,right?
If you don't have a place torelax, to unwind where you feel
safe or where you couldentertain your friends and or
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maybe you're living in a placewhere like you're in Denver and
you I mean it's beautifulcountry there, right?
Yeah.
Chose to live there.
Like some people are miserablewhere they live or too cold or,
so there's a lot of elements tothe environment.
It starts with your house, yourcommute, your weather, and then
how you take care of your home.
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Like clutter.
You go in some houses like we'rereally anal in my house.
Like we love having it veryclean'cause it's just, it
doesn't bog down the mind ofthings to do.
Yeah.
It.
So there are a lot of bestpractices really around just
having a comfortable, relaxinghome that you love.
It's part of life.
Speaker (14:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
One of, one of the eight slices.
Speaker (14:57):
Yeah.
That's good.
I also noticed you have adistinction between purpose and
occupation.
And I only, it caught my eyebecause I think a lot of us,
especially as Americans, wedefine ourselves by our
occupation.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah.
Speaker (15:11):
It almost becomes our purpose.
And so you, it shows, you're avery deep thinker in this to
distinguish the two.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, no, sure.
I think in your twenties I thinkmaybe that should be your
purpose, right?
You're just starting out.
You need to build a career andexpertise and so that's fine.
But then for me, it quicklyflipped to my wife and then my
family.
Like my family got me out of bedin the morning'cause I was so
excited to.
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Do stuff that would contributeto a great family life, right?
Taking'em on vacation and payingfor their tuitions and all.
So that became my purpose.
And now I've launched four kidsand I feel like I just want to,
I've been really lucky.
I just wanna give back now helpother people who need help.
I'm mentoring probably like adozen, 20 year olds that have
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been interns for me or my
Speaker (16:05):
kids friends.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So now purpose has become giving back to people.
I donate the causes.
There's so many people whohaven't, I'm been pretty
healthy, but, things like cancerand ms.
I don't mind trying to give backfor those things.
So I, I think purpose evolves asyou get older.
And for me it's now more about,service giving back.
Speaker (16:31):
Yeah.
That's excellent.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker (16:34):
Yeah, that's a good that, that's a good
differentiation.
It's almost like you, you alignyour purpose with what season
you are in life.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And these kids I'm coaching that are younger, young
professionals, I'm like, it's,you're in sales and marketing,
it's.
Your purpose is to make sureyour company kills it.
Because if you guys don't dowell as a company, people are
getting laid off, like you guysare all in it together and
paying each other's bills.
So your purpose is to, create agreat company that creates
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amazing jobs and let's everyonehave, the life they want.
So it's even in doing your jobwith excellence, there's purpose
in that when you're younger.
I wouldn't take that away frompeople for sure.
Speaker (17:15):
Okay, so you mentioned, you have a score for all of
these?
How does that scoring systemwork?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah.
There's two scores actually too.
Speaker (17:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
So the first score takes two minutes.
I'll send you the app and it'scalled the Zen Score.
It's how you feel about yourlife.
So it actually, it goes a littlebeyond help.
And to your point, it breaksrelationships into romance.
Friendships and it breaks thegrowth into like mindset and
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growth.
So there's 11 questions.
How do you feel about yourhealth and fitness?
How do you feel about your homeenvironments?
How you feel about your career?
I.
And zero to 10.
And then at the end of it, itspits out a score, between zero
and a hundred, and that's yourZen score, how you feel about
your area.
And you may have a one in onearea and eights in all the
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other.
And it makes you self-reflect ohshit, I gotta work on this part
of my life based on my score.
So that's the Zen score.
Speaker (18:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Life score is like a credit rating.
It's how you're doing, right?
So I documented and AI helped medo this.
Last year I sucked in about ahundred books, research reports,
science data on what do peopledo for best practices, to have a
great leisure, have a greathome, have their finances under
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control, right?
And said, here's the things thatpeople who are successful in
each of these areas are doing.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Oh, so then
Speaker 2 (18:42):
you go through these hundred questions, are you doing
these things?
And it spits out a score betweenzero and a thousand, which I
call your life score, like yourcredit rating.
So if it's 500, 600, you'relike, oh shit, I'm not doing a
lot of the things I should bedoing.
Speaker (18:57):
Yeah.
Oh, interesting.
And now you've, you said earlieron in your life you did
something like this for yourselfbefore it was probably a
conscious system, right?
That every year
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah.
It's the engineer in me, right?
Yeah.
So I, software design.
And I had a Google spreadsheetfor 20 plus year.
I think it was Excel to startactually, and I had 12 rows.
And over time, I, every year Iwould go see my scores of those
11 questions I have I think Ihad 13, I think I broke out.
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My finances and net worth anddebt.
And so I had a little differentscorecard than I have now.
But I stopped and filled it outevery year in December.
And then I look back last year,what my score was, and then I'm
like, what do I want to get to?
I'm like I'm meant to spend moretime with my brother and sister.
And I visited them like once allyear.
Holy shit, I gotta give myself athree.
(19:51):
For family, and now I'mthinking, okay, I gotta go visit
'em at least two, three timesthis upcoming year.
Again, it just creates aconvenient framework.
I find as an engineer you needto have kind of mental models of
things.
So I, I created this mentalmodel of, a personal scorecard
like a.
Like a company has a dashboard,sales Yeah.
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For service.
Like why not have a dashboardfor your life?
That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker (20:19):
I love it.
And it sounds pretty simple todo too, right?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh my God.
The Zen board takes two minutes.
Yes.
Yeah.
11 questions.
Speaker (20:26):
And I'm ba I'm guessing after all this, then you can
start to set a plan of action.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
For
Speaker (20:32):
what you're gonna do to improve your scores, right?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah.
And I'll put on my entrepreneurhat for a second.
So when I launched it a yearago, I thought I was gonna go
direct to consumer.
Like people need help and lifecoaches were, are expensive.
It's the big fad.
And I believe in coaches.
It's great to learn from someonewho's done what you want to do.
But I wanted to have anothertool that people couldn't use
(20:55):
for self-care.
But then I started gettingcoaches downloading and using it
and said, oh, it's a greatengagement tool.
I have my client fill out theirZen score and Life score, and
then we meet to kick off forcoffee and we go through their
score and identify, wherethey're strong, where they're
weak, and with the work on.
So now I have two markets directand now selling it to coaches.
Speaker (21:17):
Oh, fascinating.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That helped.
Yeah, we've had a lot of lifecoaches on the show in the past
and I know a bunch as well, andit seems a lot of'em create a
system or looking to create asystem and they're not sure
exactly how to go about it andgets tweaked and it sounds like,
yeah, why not just take onethat's already like yours?
It's spread works and good.
(21:38):
Spread the
Speaker 2 (21:38):
word for sure.
Now, I've probably talked to 20coaches over the last two months
'cause I'm trying to, I'm tryingto create.
Big believer if you're gonnabuild a product, the customer
has to love it.
Like it's not enough to have adecent product.
If they don't love it and theycan't live without it, then I
fail.
So I've been interviewing thesecoaches and the one debate we're
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having is they seem to take amore of a guide approach, help
you find yourself and find theanswers right.
And for me, I'm like, actuallyyou could create a playbook.
Like I have the 12 things thatWarren Buffet does in wealth
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area that you should be doing tohave a strong financial area in
your life.
So I am almost flipping thecategory from coach to like
advisor, like life advisor.
Like you gotta pay your creditcard every month, I can't
believe you don't have a 5 29for your kids.
It could be tax deductible.
Like I, like a coach should bein a position to, to prescribe
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these are the things that arereally gonna help you in all
eight of these areas of yourlife, right?
Yeah.
You should go do cardio threetimes a week, or walk every day
and not sit in your chair fortwo straight hours.
These are things we know causestress and, and bad posture and
so I.
I am confident that I've workedhard to say, Hey, here's the, I
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actually, it's 119 things thatwill help you get good at life
across those eight categories.
Speaker (23:14):
Do you think if there's somebody, especially I think
somewhere in like our mid tolate twenties, oftentimes we,
it's pretty common to start tofeel stuck, right?
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker (23:26):
And for many people that can even happen, like
throughout.
Their adulthood moving forward,right?
'Cause this is really whenyou're dealing up until probably
when you're done with college,you've had your life defined for
you, right?
So you didn't have to, you justknew how to put one foot in
front of the other, and now youhave to figure out which way to
go.
So do you think that this couldhelp somebody with that?
(23:46):
To help them feel Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
First of all and I don't know this yet, I haven't
proven it out, but I have athesis that younger generation
loves points and scores.
Sure.
But I could see them saying, oh,geez, my Zen score is a 61.
How do I get to an 80?
So I think I could help gamifythis a little.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
And just get off the wheel where they're just
reacting every day, showing upfor work, doing this, and
getting a routine and just stopand think why am I in a rut?
What are you doing for fun inyour life, man?
What do you, what do you, whatare your interests outside of
work?
Where are you going forvacation?
What are you doing for socialactivities?
Stop.
Those things are important andif you're not also enjoying
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life, then what's the purpose oflife, right?
So right.
Some of these people who feelstuck or lost are, need to just
think about the other areas andthen their friendships.
Oh my gosh.
If you can't share what you havewith friends, what's the purpose
of life?
Totally.
I have a gray house, but if itwas just me, who cares?
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If I can't have people come andenjoy it with me, entertain,
watch games, like it all, it'sall interrelated, Luis.
It's all this.
Puzzle of pieces that I believein that you have to pay
attention to all of them.
Speaker (25:01):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a great point.
Yeah, and I completely agree.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So I hope this younger generation, could, use
it like a score, like ascorecard, and there's some
other, I'm looking at other appsthat are, I don't know if you
use like any of the calm ormeditation apps.
Yeah,
Speaker (25:19):
yeah.
I've used them.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
The sleep apps, like.
All these apps are popping uparound, tracking streaks and all
that.
And people seem to like that.
They give them a little impetusto, to change or create new
habits.
So that's what I'm trying to dois come up with mine's more
holistic.
Those are like little slices oflife.
Mine's like saying, whoa, here'show you can look at your whole
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life in a kind of a littlescore.
Sure.
Speaker (25:45):
Yeah.
I I.
I do think that we are in asociety now where everything is
becoming gamified like that.
And it is with apps and such.
It is easy to measure.
Yeah.
Now I even find people, when Iask'em on the Wayfinder four
about, you'll get the questionlater, what's a favorite?
And they'll talk about books andthey're telling me how many
hours of reading they do or howmany books they read.
(26:05):
'cause they can look at it ontheir app.
And, so in, in running, we havean app called Strava and it
tracks all of your, all of yourmiles that you do every year.
And it compares'em andeverything is gamified now.
I also think that we're it'scausing.
I can't prove this.
I know there's stuff coming outaround this.
(26:26):
I also think that there's, it'salmost gone to the extreme
opposite where it's causing somefolks, mental anguish with it.
Yeah.
I agree.
I think our attention spans aregetting lost because of it.
Everything on an app gives yousmall nuggets, so we're so used
to just getting to quick anddirty on everything that we're
no longer able to focus andconcentrate.
(26:48):
I'm struggling with reading abook.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I know.
And I,
Speaker (26:51):
I love reading, but I'm really struggling getting
through a whole book and this.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah.
All right.
So I'll tell you what's what'sfrustrates me and this is the
downside.
A couple things on having aphone and know all that
information in your hand all thetime.
First of all, you're always on.
It's oh my God.
There's no doubt anymore.
You're commuting to work on atrain.
You're on your phone, you're atthe airport, you're on your
phone that's right.
You're in bed, you're on yourphone.
Like at some point you gottawhoa, leave some just dead time
(27:16):
to Do nothing but the attentionspan.
My, one of my first study groupsfor my mobile app was my four
kids on Thanksgiving list lastyear.
And so we're sitting there andwe're like six minutes into it.
And they're like, dad, how manymore questions are there?
It, it's 15 minutes, guys.
Come on.
Yeah.
We're on like question 37.
And they're like, they'realready like they wanna move on
(27:38):
to something else.
And then we're watching tv.
Oh my God.
What they seven times duringthis movie.
I had to rewind.
I What just happened?
I missed it.
Yeah, you missed it becauseyou're on your phone while we're
all watching the movie.
There's definitely some downsidethat I see from being connected,
to your phone.
Speaker (27:57):
Yeah.
And I'm guilty of it.
I'm just, and, but I'm becomingso much more conscious of it
that I'm getting to the pointwhere I don't think I can do it.
It's bad for my business, but Ifeel like I just wanna go back
to the old flip phone withouteverything, and
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I'm guilty.
I can't say, I'm not checkingscores of, while I'm watching a
game or looking at stocks orsomething.
Speaker (28:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I feel I could still consume a movie and get
information.
I know you're right.
It's like crazy.
Speaker (28:24):
It is crazy.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker (28:26):
Bill, on that note think we should switch over to
our world famous Wayfinder four.
You ready?
All.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I am ready Fire for I'm on the bud, bud Light hot
seat here.
Whatever they call it.
And that's right.
So
Speaker (28:38):
give us a hack.
This is just like a life hackthat you use.
Obviously your system's a lifehack, so you can't use that one.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh, damnit.
That's,
Speaker 3 (28:48):
that's what
Speaker 2 (28:49):
all I have another hack that's.
Part of my app but that I doI've been doing for 20 years as
well.
It's called my, it's a littleblue Monday list.
So when you have those dayswhere you want, don't want to
get out of bed, like you'redown, you're stressed, or you're
overwhelmed, or you're just notfeeling motivated.
I have this little notepad thathas these 25 questions.
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Is it because I feel outtashape?
Did I do something, get anargument with my wife, or is the
stock market down?
I try to troubleshoot exactly.
Maybe the two or three things.
That are making me feeloverwhelmed or bothered or just
not happy and relaxed in life.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
And
Speaker 2 (29:32):
so I call, and now it's actually in my app now,
it's called this life stressorstool.
So you track what are the lifestresses in your life.
'cause until stress is not aboutworking hard, stress to me is
about knowing you have problemsand doing nothing about them.
Speaker (29:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And so if you can figure out what's causing it.
And as soon as you start doingsomething about it, oh my God,
you start feeling better aboutit.
Speaker (29:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So that's my life hack.
Speaker (29:57):
Yeah.
Oh, that's good.
Yeah.
I like to relate that towardswhen you hike up a mountain,
oftentimes you start at thetrailhead and you look at the
top and you're like, oh my God.
It's overwhelmed and you itmakes you not wanna do it, but
you Yeah.
You move forward and somehow youhave no idea how you're gonna
get there.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah.
Speaker (30:14):
And sometimes you don't even know how you're gonna get
like to the 10 feet ahead'causeyou can't see the trail or
something.
But you keep going and the pathpresents itself, right?
And then before you know it, yougot into the top and yeah, just
such a great feeling ofaccomplishment.
But
Speaker 2 (30:26):
yeah, no, it's actually one of my philosophies
in life is we're happy in it.
We're happiest.
When we're making progress.
Yes.
So if you have something youwant to do or goal and you're,
and you feel like you're makingprogress on it, you're, you just
feel happier.
Yeah.
Like when I have a night where Igo to bed and I got nothing done
(30:46):
that day, I'm like, miserable.
I'm like, shit, how did I letthis day go by?
Speaker (30:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I got something done.
I made some progress onsomething I feel, yeah.
And oftentimes
Speaker (30:55):
even achieving the goal that you were is not as
rewarding as the progresstowards it.
All the little obstacles along.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what about a favorite, Ialluded to this one earlier.
This is a show, an activity, abook anything you want that is
just a favorite.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So you're a little younger than me.
You remember chairs?
Of course.
Speaker (31:15):
I'm not much younger than you.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I've been looking at some of those.
Because George, we Norm justdied this year.
Oh my God.
I
Speaker (31:22):
didn't know that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
How funny he was with his one-liners.
Speaker (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Oh, it's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing mc
milk bone underwear.
That was what, that was one ofhis lines.
Yeah.
So my, I love that show.
I still watch Seinfeld and, it'scrazy.
Yeah.
That stood the test of time.
My kids and I watch Seinfeld nowand they love that.
So those are probably two of myfavorite shows.
Even they stood the test oftime.
Speaker (31:48):
Yeah.
That's funny.
My daughter loves shows fromfrom our generation.
Yeah.
And she Cheers is right upthere.
And Seinfeld, the guy Seinfeldis.
Just genius.
Really.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah.
Speaker (32:01):
So what about a piece of advice for your younger self,
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Younger self?
I think I was a little bit twothings.
Probably a little over ambitiousand spent too much time in my
younger years and didn't really.
Create enough really closefriendships like, and I really,
my parents were immigrants andso no, they never really taught
(32:26):
me.
You really almost have to knowhow to invest to create, listen,
reciprocate support.
And so sometimes I'm jealouswhere some of my friends have
these, blood brothers, andsometimes I don't feel like I, I
have enough of those around me'cause I didn't invest.
And creating those kind of,amazing friendships.
I wish I had more of those from,my younger days.
Speaker (32:49):
Yeah.
Did you grow up in Grafton too,or
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Connecticut?
Shelton.
Connecticut, yeah.
Shelton,
Speaker (32:54):
Connecticut.
Okay.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah.
Speaker (32:56):
Where is Shelton?
Just,
Speaker 2 (32:57):
it's the last town in Fairfield County, so near
Bridgeport.
Speaker (33:00):
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Haven right in that, yeah.
Speaker (33:02):
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
New England, I asked because it,new England is such a, like a
region of villages, essentially.
Every town is really like avillage, and people have these
really tight relationships andoftentimes people don't even
move too much.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, there's a lot of ethnic communities.
Big time.
You go to New Britain,Connecticut, and it's Polish
community.
There's thousands of Polish.
You go to Boston and there's alittle, you could have a little
Italy and little Ireland here,and that's
Speaker (33:32):
right.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
And it's amazing how, the cultures preserve in pockets
here in New England for sure.
Speaker (33:38):
Yeah, totally.
And where I grew up is CentralFalls, Rhode Island.
It was a big Colombiancommunity, and that's where I
am.
So my parents are
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah.
From
Speaker (33:46):
there too.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah.
And then I think there's anArmenian pocket in that way.
Yes,
Speaker (33:49):
there is.
Yeah.
One of my best friends was half.
Armenia have Syrian.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Again, it's, we're hu we're creatures of nature,
right?
We like to socialize with ourown tribe,
Speaker (33:59):
right?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
So that's funny.
How about either talk abouteither one of these however it
resonates with you, either a bigopportunity or a limiting
belief.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I.
I'm gonna go with, I know thissounds trendy, but I'm seeing
two sides of the coin on ai.
I'm seeing people who are superskeptical, afraid, saying, oh, I
heard it's super inaccurate andI am the opposite.
(34:32):
I'm a, oh my gosh, I use it two,three hours a day.
I know I.
I've crossed this thresholdwhere I used to go to Google 10,
20 times a day, and now I thinkI go to chat GBT 10, 20 times a
day.
Yeah.
I get an agreement that I gottaanalyze and I'm no lawyer, and I
just put it in there and say,Hey, gimme the gist of this
(34:53):
agreement.
I need an email.
Like I'll write down fourbullets and it'll write.
I mean my pro productivity fromai.
I think it's through the roof,so this stuff is not hype.
I think it is changing the worldfor sure.
Speaker (35:05):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I gotta tell you I'm doing thesame thing.
I'm buying a property out inIllinois right now.
It's a different type of assetthan I've ever had and it's a
different jurisdiction and I'vebeen in, and I've been reaching
out to lawyers and the contractI just put out.
Put it on chat gpt, see what it,what I get.
And these lawyers are takingdays to get back to me on
(35:27):
anything, and and when they dothey, it's more, even more days
to, to review all that stuff.
But I kept going'cause I'm soused to that.
And what cha GPTI didn't want totrust it because but I put it in
there and it spit back, Hey,this is what to look for in this
contract.
You might wanna go back and goall this different advice.
Yeah.
And I even and finally the onelawyer who got back to me, I go
(35:49):
through that with him notknowing, he doesn't know I use
chat GPT.
Yeah.
He.
Agreed on all the points.
Some of the stuff that I'm, thathe missed, I brought up to him.
He's oh yeah, that'sinteresting.
You know what I mean?
All the, all these things.
And I'm like, wow.
So the people who are afraid ofdisruption,
Speaker 3 (36:06):
yeah.
Speaker (36:07):
It's because they're not adapting.
If they don't adapt and use it,they will lose because we don't
have the time we're working at,we're in a society.
If we snooze, we lose.
So we have to, I adapt to thesethings.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, totally agree.
Now one thing I'll, my lastlittle thing that I'll mention
is I'm a four days a weekcompany and I just totally
believe that we can get moredone Monday through Thursday, be
more efficient, deep work, andhave more balance in our life
and have Fridays off.
There's such diminishing.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Friday so we don't have any employee meetings.
You basically use Friday foryour family home or catch up on
email.
If you're behind at work, use itfor catch up.
But I bring it up only'cause nowyou can be more efficient Monday
through Thursday with ai.
Get more done.
Speaker (36:53):
A hundred percent.
Yeah, it's good to hear thisfrom somebody from New England.
'cause I think about the workethic there is always just work
and, oh no, moving out west,it's been this way.
People don't work here onFridays so they can say that.
And and now it's good to hearsomebody back east saying that
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I'm trying, I'm
Speaker (37:09):
trying.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Personally, I don't wanna work Fridays anymore.
I'm at a point in my life where,you don't have
Speaker (37:15):
to,
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I don't have to, so I'm not going to, and other
societies around the world areproving you can still be a good,
strong country and economy.
At least Spain working 35 hoursa week and not six.
There's balance.
There's like we talked about thediet.
It's the same with the familycultures in other places of the
world, family is more important.
A hundred percent.
They, some people measuresuccess by how good of a father
(37:39):
or mother or family man theywere not by how much money they
made.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So it's a different world.
So I'm trying to bring some ofthat here to New England.
Yeah.
Speaker (37:47):
Good, good.
How about yeah I guess at thispoint, if people wanna know a
little bit more about you, maybeget their zen score, their life
score how could they go aboutdoing that?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah.
First of all, it's easy to findme.
Z Juki, Z-U-J-E-W-S-K-I.
There's only 30 of us in thewhole world.
Speaker (38:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I've warned my kids.
Be careful what you put out onsocial media because when they
Google you, you're gonna be theonly answer that come that comes
up.
So good life.com with two is mywebsite.
Look for Bill Zaki on LinkedIn.
DM me, connect me.
And then if you go to Amazon,just type in Zaki, you'll get
my, the only book written byZaki is What's Your Life score?
(38:29):
On Amazon and Bill andbill@goodlife.com.
That's my email.
That's the ways to get ahold ofme.
Speaker (38:35):
Excellent.
Thank you Bill.
This is I love how you've brokenit down.
I think you got your prioritiesstraight and you got a good
system for helping other peopledo the same.
Thank you for sharing that and Ihope people go check it out.
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and you feel like you're makingprogress on it, you're, you just
feel happier.
Yeah.
Like I have a night where I goto bed and I got nothing done
that day.
I'm like, miserable.
I'm like, shit, how did I letthis day go by?
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Welcome back to the Wayfinder Show.
I'm your host, Louis Hernandez,and today's guest is Bill Z.
Bill or also known as Bill Z.
Yes.
Bill is the, yeah.
He is the founder of Good Life,LLC, creator of Life By Design,
the Life by Design System, andthe Zen Score app, and he's also
(01:25):
the author of What's Your LifeScore?
After a successful career intech with companies like Oracle
and Tulip, bill shifted to.
His focus to helping people livewith purpose and balance his
life score system based on eightkey life areas, guides, people
to design a life that'sintentional and not accidental.
(01:46):
Bill, welcome to the WayfinderShow.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Thank you, Louise.
I'm psyched to be here.
It should be a great show.
Speaker (01:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm excited to have you.
And we're also yeah I lovehaving people from back home.
As our listeners know, I'm fromRhode Island and you're from
right next door toMassachusetts.
It's good to have, i'm,
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I'm right outside of Boston, big Boston sports fan.
Got three boys.
We're lucky.
It's a great sports town.
Speaker (02:08):
It really is, man.
It's, you don't realize it tillyou leave.
Like how spoiled.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How spoiled
Speaker 3 (02:14):
are
Speaker 2 (02:14):
you?
Speaker (02:14):
Yeah.
And then you go somewhere andyou can go other places I've
lived now can go for decadeswithout a year.
Then you always have a good teamin Boston that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Not to pile on, but I'm also a Yukon grad, so my
Yukon Husky.
Oh yeah.
Our strong basketball program aswell.
So I'm pretty spoiled.
Speaker (02:31):
They came back.
Yeah.
When I was a kid.
I remember they were like adominant force and anyone for
many years without reallycompeting, but now they're back
in full force, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Excellent.
Bill tell us I'm going to starta little bit different.
You were in the corporate world
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker (02:49):
And you left to become, to create the good life.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah.
Speaker (02:54):
So that kind of insinuates that the corporate
world is not the good life.
Tell us why you did this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah.
Yeah, so for 25 plus years.
I had the corporate job.
I was fortunate to land insoftware right outta college,
which, is lucky in, in that Ihad some skills around
programming, analytics, and it'sa great place to be the last 25
years, right?
Software was eaten the world.
(03:22):
So I did well there.
And was able to have a nice,balanced life, raise my family
and stuff, but Sutton was stillmissing.
So I really wanted to dosomething that was mine, but
also gave me more financialfreedom to, and more, actually,
I should take that time, freedomto do whatever I want, right?
And to work with whoever Iwanted and hire the people I
(03:44):
wanted.
And that was part of changing, Imet a couple friends about seven
years ago.
They were starting this GreenBusiness Bureau startup, and
they needed marketing help.
I said, you know what?
I'm done with kind of managing70 people and million dollar
operational budgets.
Let's do something fresh andnew.
(04:05):
We did that Green BusinessBureau startup sold that a few
years ago.
Now I'm doing my own.
I bootstrapped this good life.
The Good Life Company.
I'm the a hundred percent owner.
It's a software company that'sjust gonna help people get good
at life'cause life's hard.
And I've created some softwaretools, mobile apps to help
people.
Speaker (04:23):
Okay what does that mean to be good at life though?
Yeah, it sounds like you weregood at it.
You had a great career and Yeah.
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, so good at life, right?
So I think obviously it's being,becoming healthy, happy,
fulfilled, all those things thatyou think of someone living the
good life and maybe financially,independent as well.
All those things.
So for me, it came down to.
Not just balance.
(04:50):
'cause when people thinkbalance, they think, okay, work
and non-work.
I'm really talking about abigger pie.
Some people call it the wheel oflife.
I actually have this acronym inmy book and in my software
called Help Grow based on theeight categories you, so you're
looking at your health, you'relooking at your environment, the
EL for leisure, P for purpose, Gfor growth, R for relationships,
(05:12):
O for occupation, W for wealth.
Those are the eight areas youwanna invest in time.
So you want to get good inwealth.
There's 15 things I documented,save 10% of your paycheck.
Have an IRA have a six, sixmonth rainy day fund.
Stay diver like.
And then if you wanna have canyou,
Speaker (05:30):
I'm sorry, I'm gonna, can you go through those again
real quick?
Wealth?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah.
Let's go through help, helpgrow.
So spell out, you could on yourpad spell out help.
H-E-L-P-G-R-W.
Speaker (05:41):
Oh help.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
H is for health.
E for environment.
Leisure is LP for purpose.
So that's the help part.
And then G for growth, R forrelationships, O for occupation,
and W is for wealth.
And it's fun.
I go back 20 years.
I used to create a littlespreadsheet in December.
(06:04):
Around New Year's and look backat those eight areas, how did I
do last year with myrelationships, with my career,
with my wealth, and what do Iwant to do next year?
So it became a little routinefor me to do this like
scorecard.
And that's what turned into mycompany.
I now built a software versionof a life score.
Speaker (06:21):
Yeah.
That's pretty interesting there.
What you, so I'm assuming likefamily would fall under
relationships.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yes.
Really?
Speaker (06:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah.
In fact, relationships is themost important factor in a.
Healthy long life.
Yeah.
Some of my core framework isbased on this book called The
Good Life from these two Harvardprofessors.
I don't know if you heard aboutthe study they did of these 3000
families.
Yeah.
Over eight years.
(06:49):
And by far the biggestindicator.
Of happiness, fulfillment in alonger life by 10 years was the
people around you, your partner,your family, and your friends in
your circle.
If you had the right peoplearound you, you outlived and
were much healthier.
Speaker (07:04):
Yeah.
You know what's interestingabout that?
I a couple of weeks back I wasat the Berkshire Hathaway annual
meeting Oh yeah.
And where Warren Buffet said, hewas stepping down.
So it's his last annual meeting.
Yeah.
And I've been going for years.
I go every year.
And and this one was very inwhat really stood out more than
anything to me was just this.
(07:25):
Just that he just kept talkingover and over about his
relationships in life and howimportant that is.
And if you find somebody goodthat in your life, you hold onto
them, yeah.
And develop that as much aspossible.
And he said that, he just keptsaying that over and over, like
that is the, that is realwealth.
That is real, really the goodlife more than anything.
Here's a guy who sits up there,drinks two cans of Coke.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah.
Speaker (07:48):
Goes and eats a Big Mac on the way home and
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah.
You know what
Speaker (07:51):
It health, he doesn't define that way.
It's all about hisrelationships.
I know.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And he's a testament.
So two things on Warren Buffet.
'cause I'm a big fan.
I listened.
I've never been in person, sothat, that's amazing.
Yeah.
But I look at him and I'm like.
Holy shit.
The guy's 95 and still with it.
Like I got another 30, 40 goodyears in me.
I can't just retire and donothing for the next 30
something years.
Yeah.
But he has my best quote forhim, and I use it in my book is,
(08:19):
you talk about how would youmeasure success in someone's
life?
And he says, the best indicatorat the end of your life is how
many people love you.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That's
Speaker 2 (08:28):
brilliant, right?
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Like that to me, that tells you what kind of life a
person had.
Speaker (08:34):
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's powerful.
There's so many great quotesthat come from him.
Yeah.
No, I know.
Smart, smart guy that sum itwell.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's why he's a billionaire.
He is a smart guy.
Speaker (08:42):
Yeah.
And that's the funny thing aboutit.
I think everybody gets drawn tohim because he's he takes these
big concepts and break'em,breaks'em down.
So in, in such digestible wayswith these quotes that, you can
write.
A book of them.
There have been many, but.
I think at the end of the day,that's why we all go to this and
we think we're gonna learn howto be rich right.
In, in, in a financial way.
(09:04):
But then you hear and yourealize, you leave there at the
end of the weekend and you justfeel so wholesome and good and
hardly learned anything aboutwealth building in a, it really
does become number one about therelationships and Yeah, and
that's why I've always keptgoing back, just people I met
years ago go there once a yearto see them again and that.
That relationship gets biggerand stronger and we invest
(09:26):
together and what have you.
And it just compounds like whathe talks about and it just
naturally, organically, it'spretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, it is.
It is.
It is amazing.
And people say, oh, you haveyour personal life and your work
life.
Some of my best friends arepeople I work with over the
years.
Yeah.
Friends you wanna work withpeople you like,
Speaker (09:44):
totally.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
He does.
He loves the people around him.
Yeah.
And if he did it, they'd be outof there
Speaker (09:50):
a hundred percent.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And it's not a lot of people heworks with either, which is
really shocking.
With all of the companies thatBerkshire owns, I think it's
over 700,000 employees I'veread.
And in his corporate office is12 people.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's crazy.
Speaker (10:04):
Isn't that wild?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah.
Doesn't he still drive a Hondaor something stupid like that
too?
It's
Speaker (10:10):
I don't know.
We went to his house and lookedwe went to his house and we did
look through, and I'm trying toremember what the cars that were
there were, but they, theydefinitely weren't like Bentleys
or anything very fancy.
Oh, yeah.
There was a lot of, guardswatching the people there.
But yeah, that weekend it getsbombarded, yeah.
Yeah.
Anyways, you know what about soclearly you, you have that as
(10:31):
number one and kudos to you.
Obviously, if the Oracle ofOmaha says that, then you guys
are in full alignment which saysa lot about you.
But what about what would yousay is the most neglected?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Let's see.
Probably, everyone spends waytoo much on, on their wealth
part and their career part.
I think unfortunately health andespecially for the younger
people is neglected.
They just take it for granted.
As you get older, you can't youhave to unless you're healthy
(11:02):
and have energy, you can light.
Life sucks, right?
Yeah.
So you gotta take care of thatand people don't realize how
they either have the wrong diet.
Don't have their heart's not ingood condition.
They're overweight.
And that leads into spill overinto poor performance and all
these other areas in your life.
So I, I would say don't forgetabout your health.
(11:25):
Start there.
Okay.
I now,'cause I'm older, I'm inmy fifties, so I got my routine.
I do my stretch.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
On the Peloton bike, I do some weights, right?
And it helps burn off stress bythe way, but also gets the blood
flowing and energy going.
Speaker (11:41):
Yeah, I've I'm gonna ask you next about environment,
but it leads into, I.
It before that with health.
I find that having lived indifferent parts of the country
now and just being a student ofcommunities and societies and
what have you I feel like theemphasis on health can often
vary based on like where youlive, right?
Like here in America in general,I think we have much less
(12:04):
emphasis on health.
It's all quick fix in general,but then even within America, we
have areas of the country thatare just so much.
Less attuned to health concerns.
I
Speaker 2 (12:16):
couldn't agree more.
I think the stereotype,unfortunately, the, the fat
Americans when you go travel inEurope is totally here.
And it's healthy, smallportions, healthy food, not
processed.
It's not that they eatdifferently, but they eat
healthier.
Speaker (12:33):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So that's part of their, just.
Fabric in a lot of countries andit's not here.
Speaker (12:41):
Yeah.
Sure.
I've given this littletestimonial before where a, a
couple years now, I went toJapan and I remember I hadn't
had a burger in months'cause Iwas training for something and
finally I had one after my eventthere.
And, and it felt great.
It was delicious.
Absolutely delicious.
I could've, as an American Iwanted more, right?
Yeah.
(13:01):
But I did, I had one and ittasted great, felt great the
whole time.
Then I get back and I land inLAX to transfer back to Denver
and LAX.
There was one of those fufu gov.
Gourmet burger places.
And I go and I'm like, oh,another burger.
I want one.
And I, and I, first of all, Ipaid five times as much as I
paid in Japan.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But then I get it and the greaseis falling off the bun and
(13:24):
dripping down my fingers.
And I have and within a half anhour of eating it, I just felt
like crap.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah.
Speaker (13:29):
And that right there goes to show you just the
difference.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I agree.
Speaker (13:33):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah.
Speaker (13:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Schism, it's what it takes to drive sales so that,
they drive the advertising ofthese products,
Speaker (13:43):
and you
Speaker 2 (13:44):
crave them and they're delicious, they're not
good for you.
Speaker (13:47):
No.
And you can feel it now.
So Yeah.
Especially as we get older youfeel it right away.
Tell us a little bit aboutenvironment.
What what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So it's actually, home environment because, okay,
but that would kill my help growspelling, right?
I needed that e so I, I wentwith a home environment.
But you're home.
You spend so much time at home,right?
If you don't have a place torelax, to unwind where you feel
safe or where you couldentertain your friends and or
(14:16):
maybe you're living in a placewhere like you're in Denver and
you I mean it's beautifulcountry there, right?
Yeah.
Chose to live there.
Like some people are miserablewhere they live or too cold or,
so there's a lot of elements tothe environment.
It starts with your house, yourcommute, your weather, and then
how you take care of your home.
(14:36):
Like clutter.
You go in some houses like we'rereally anal in my house.
Like we love having it veryclean'cause it's just, it
doesn't bog down the mind ofthings to do.
Yeah.
It.
So there are a lot of bestpractices really around just
having a comfortable, relaxinghome that you love.
It's part of life.
Speaker (14:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
One of, one of the eight slices.
Speaker (14:57):
Yeah.
That's good.
I also noticed you have adistinction between purpose and
occupation.
And I only, it caught my eyebecause I think a lot of us,
especially as Americans, wedefine ourselves by our
occupation.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah.
Speaker (15:11):
It almost becomes our purpose.
And so you, it shows, you're avery deep thinker in this to
distinguish the two.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, no, sure.
I think in your twenties I thinkmaybe that should be your
purpose, right?
You're just starting out.
You need to build a career andexpertise and so that's fine.
But then for me, it quicklyflipped to my wife and then my
family.
Like my family got me out of bedin the morning'cause I was so
excited to.
(15:41):
Do stuff that would contributeto a great family life, right?
Taking'em on vacation and payingfor their tuitions and all.
So that became my purpose.
And now I've launched four kidsand I feel like I just want to,
I've been really lucky.
I just wanna give back now helpother people who need help.
I'm mentoring probably like adozen, 20 year olds that have
(16:03):
been interns for me or my
Speaker (16:05):
kids friends.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So now purpose has become giving back to people.
I donate the causes.
There's so many people whohaven't, I'm been pretty
healthy, but, things like cancerand ms.
I don't mind trying to give backfor those things.
So I, I think purpose evolves asyou get older.
And for me it's now more about,service giving back.
Speaker (16:31):
Yeah.
That's excellent.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker (16:34):
Yeah, that's a good that, that's a good
differentiation.
It's almost like you, you alignyour purpose with what season
you are in life.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And these kids I'm coaching that are younger, young
professionals, I'm like, it's,you're in sales and marketing,
it's.
Your purpose is to make sureyour company kills it.
Because if you guys don't dowell as a company, people are
getting laid off, like you guysare all in it together and
paying each other's bills.
So your purpose is to, create agreat company that creates
(17:04):
amazing jobs and let's everyonehave, the life they want.
So it's even in doing your jobwith excellence, there's purpose
in that when you're younger.
I wouldn't take that away frompeople for sure.
Speaker (17:15):
Okay, so you mentioned, you have a score for all of
these?
How does that scoring systemwork?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah.
There's two scores actually too.
Speaker (17:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
So the first score takes two minutes.
I'll send you the app and it'scalled the Zen Score.
It's how you feel about yourlife.
So it actually, it goes a littlebeyond help.
And to your point, it breaksrelationships into romance.
Friendships and it breaks thegrowth into like mindset and
(17:45):
growth.
So there's 11 questions.
How do you feel about yourhealth and fitness?
How do you feel about your homeenvironments?
How you feel about your career?
I.
And zero to 10.
And then at the end of it, itspits out a score, between zero
and a hundred, and that's yourZen score, how you feel about
your area.
And you may have a one in onearea and eights in all the
(18:06):
other.
And it makes you self-reflect ohshit, I gotta work on this part
of my life based on my score.
So that's the Zen score.
Speaker (18:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Life score is like a credit rating.
It's how you're doing, right?
So I documented and AI helped medo this.
Last year I sucked in about ahundred books, research reports,
science data on what do peopledo for best practices, to have a
great leisure, have a greathome, have their finances under
(18:35):
control, right?
And said, here's the things thatpeople who are successful in
each of these areas are doing.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Oh, so then
Speaker 2 (18:42):
you go through these hundred questions, are you doing
these things?
And it spits out a score betweenzero and a thousand, which I
call your life score, like yourcredit rating.
So if it's 500, 600, you'relike, oh shit, I'm not doing a
lot of the things I should bedoing.
Speaker (18:57):
Yeah.
Oh, interesting.
And now you've, you said earlieron in your life you did
something like this for yourselfbefore it was probably a
conscious system, right?
That every year
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah.
It's the engineer in me, right?
Yeah.
So I, software design.
And I had a Google spreadsheetfor 20 plus year.
I think it was Excel to startactually, and I had 12 rows.
And over time, I, every year Iwould go see my scores of those
11 questions I have I think Ihad 13, I think I broke out.
(19:29):
My finances and net worth anddebt.
And so I had a little differentscorecard than I have now.
But I stopped and filled it outevery year in December.
And then I look back last year,what my score was, and then I'm
like, what do I want to get to?
I'm like I'm meant to spend moretime with my brother and sister.
And I visited them like once allyear.
Holy shit, I gotta give myself athree.
(19:51):
For family, and now I'mthinking, okay, I gotta go visit
'em at least two, three timesthis upcoming year.
Again, it just creates aconvenient framework.
I find as an engineer you needto have kind of mental models of
things.
So I, I created this mentalmodel of, a personal scorecard
like a.
Like a company has a dashboard,sales Yeah.
(20:13):
For service.
Like why not have a dashboardfor your life?
That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker (20:19):
I love it.
And it sounds pretty simple todo too, right?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh my God.
The Zen board takes two minutes.
Yes.
Yeah.
11 questions.
Speaker (20:26):
And I'm ba I'm guessing after all this, then you can
start to set a plan of action.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
For
Speaker (20:32):
what you're gonna do to improve your scores, right?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah.
And I'll put on my entrepreneurhat for a second.
So when I launched it a yearago, I thought I was gonna go
direct to consumer.
Like people need help and lifecoaches were, are expensive.
It's the big fad.
And I believe in coaches.
It's great to learn from someonewho's done what you want to do.
But I wanted to have anothertool that people couldn't use
(20:55):
for self-care.
But then I started gettingcoaches downloading and using it
and said, oh, it's a greatengagement tool.
I have my client fill out theirZen score and Life score, and
then we meet to kick off forcoffee and we go through their
score and identify, wherethey're strong, where they're
weak, and with the work on.
So now I have two markets directand now selling it to coaches.
Speaker (21:17):
Oh, fascinating.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That helped.
Yeah, we've had a lot of lifecoaches on the show in the past
and I know a bunch as well, andit seems a lot of'em create a
system or looking to create asystem and they're not sure
exactly how to go about it andgets tweaked and it sounds like,
yeah, why not just take onethat's already like yours?
It's spread works and good.
(21:38):
Spread the
Speaker 2 (21:38):
word for sure.
Now, I've probably talked to 20coaches over the last two months
'cause I'm trying to, I'm tryingto create.
Big believer if you're gonnabuild a product, the customer
has to love it.
Like it's not enough to have adecent product.
If they don't love it and theycan't live without it, then I
fail.
So I've been interviewing thesecoaches and the one debate we're
(22:01):
having is they seem to take amore of a guide approach, help
you find yourself and find theanswers right.
And for me, I'm like, actuallyyou could create a playbook.
Like I have the 12 things thatWarren Buffet does in wealth
(22:22):
area that you should be doing tohave a strong financial area in
your life.
So I am almost flipping thecategory from coach to like
advisor, like life advisor.
Like you gotta pay your creditcard every month, I can't
believe you don't have a 5 29for your kids.
It could be tax deductible.
Like I, like a coach should bein a position to, to prescribe
(22:46):
these are the things that arereally gonna help you in all
eight of these areas of yourlife, right?
Yeah.
You should go do cardio threetimes a week, or walk every day
and not sit in your chair fortwo straight hours.
These are things we know causestress and, and bad posture and
so I.
I am confident that I've workedhard to say, Hey, here's the, I
(23:08):
actually, it's 119 things thatwill help you get good at life
across those eight categories.
Speaker (23:14):
Do you think if there's somebody, especially I think
somewhere in like our mid tolate twenties, oftentimes we,
it's pretty common to start tofeel stuck, right?
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker (23:26):
And for many people that can even happen, like
throughout.
Their adulthood moving forward,right?
'Cause this is really whenyou're dealing up until probably
when you're done with college,you've had your life defined for
you, right?
So you didn't have to, you justknew how to put one foot in
front of the other, and now youhave to figure out which way to
go.
So do you think that this couldhelp somebody with that?
(23:46):
To help them feel Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
First of all and I don't know this yet, I haven't
proven it out, but I have athesis that younger generation
loves points and scores.
Sure.
But I could see them saying, oh,geez, my Zen score is a 61.
How do I get to an 80?
So I think I could help gamifythis a little.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
And just get off the wheel where they're just
reacting every day, showing upfor work, doing this, and
getting a routine and just stopand think why am I in a rut?
What are you doing for fun inyour life, man?
What do you, what do you, whatare your interests outside of
work?
Where are you going forvacation?
What are you doing for socialactivities?
Stop.
Those things are important andif you're not also enjoying
(24:28):
life, then what's the purpose oflife, right?
So right.
Some of these people who feelstuck or lost are, need to just
think about the other areas andthen their friendships.
Oh my gosh.
If you can't share what you havewith friends, what's the purpose
of life?
Totally.
I have a gray house, but if itwas just me, who cares?
(24:49):
If I can't have people come andenjoy it with me, entertain,
watch games, like it all, it'sall interrelated, Luis.
It's all this.
Puzzle of pieces that I believein that you have to pay
attention to all of them.
Speaker (25:01):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a great point.
Yeah, and I completely agree.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So I hope this younger generation, could, use
it like a score, like ascorecard, and there's some
other, I'm looking at other appsthat are, I don't know if you
use like any of the calm ormeditation apps.
Yeah,
Speaker (25:19):
yeah.
I've used them.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
The sleep apps, like.
All these apps are popping uparound, tracking streaks and all
that.
And people seem to like that.
They give them a little impetusto, to change or create new
habits.
So that's what I'm trying to dois come up with mine's more
holistic.
Those are like little slices oflife.
Mine's like saying, whoa, here'show you can look at your whole
(25:42):
life in a kind of a littlescore.
Sure.
Speaker (25:45):
Yeah.
I I.
I do think that we are in asociety now where everything is
becoming gamified like that.
And it is with apps and such.
It is easy to measure.
Yeah.
Now I even find people, when Iask'em on the Wayfinder four
about, you'll get the questionlater, what's a favorite?
And they'll talk about books andthey're telling me how many
hours of reading they do or howmany books they read.
(26:05):
'cause they can look at it ontheir app.
And, so in, in running, we havean app called Strava and it
tracks all of your, all of yourmiles that you do every year.
And it compares'em andeverything is gamified now.
I also think that we're it'scausing.
I can't prove this.
I know there's stuff coming outaround this.
(26:26):
I also think that there's, it'salmost gone to the extreme
opposite where it's causing somefolks, mental anguish with it.
Yeah.
I agree.
I think our attention spans aregetting lost because of it.
Everything on an app gives yousmall nuggets, so we're so used
to just getting to quick anddirty on everything that we're
no longer able to focus andconcentrate.
(26:48):
I'm struggling with reading abook.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I know.
And I,
Speaker (26:51):
I love reading, but I'm really struggling getting
through a whole book and this.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah.
All right.
So I'll tell you what's what'sfrustrates me and this is the
downside.
A couple things on having aphone and know all that
information in your hand all thetime.
First of all, you're always on.
It's oh my God.
There's no doubt anymore.
You're commuting to work on atrain.
You're on your phone, you're atthe airport, you're on your
phone that's right.
You're in bed, you're on yourphone.
Like at some point you gottawhoa, leave some just dead time
(27:16):
to Do nothing but the attentionspan.
My, one of my first study groupsfor my mobile app was my four
kids on Thanksgiving list lastyear.
And so we're sitting there andwe're like six minutes into it.
And they're like, dad, how manymore questions are there?
It, it's 15 minutes, guys.
Come on.
Yeah.
We're on like question 37.
And they're like, they'realready like they wanna move on
(27:38):
to something else.
And then we're watching tv.
Oh my God.
What they seven times duringthis movie.
I had to rewind.
I What just happened?
I missed it.
Yeah, you missed it becauseyou're on your phone while we're
all watching the movie.
There's definitely some downsidethat I see from being connected,
to your phone.
Speaker (27:57):
Yeah.
And I'm guilty of it.
I'm just, and, but I'm becomingso much more conscious of it
that I'm getting to the pointwhere I don't think I can do it.
It's bad for my business, but Ifeel like I just wanna go back
to the old flip phone withouteverything, and
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I'm guilty.
I can't say, I'm not checkingscores of, while I'm watching a
game or looking at stocks orsomething.
Speaker (28:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I feel I could still consume a movie and get
information.
I know you're right.
It's like crazy.
Speaker (28:24):
It is crazy.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker (28:26):
Bill, on that note think we should switch over to
our world famous Wayfinder four.
You ready?
All.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I am ready Fire for I'm on the bud, bud Light hot
seat here.
Whatever they call it.
And that's right.
So
Speaker (28:38):
give us a hack.
This is just like a life hackthat you use.
Obviously your system's a lifehack, so you can't use that one.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh, damnit.
That's,
Speaker 3 (28:48):
that's what
Speaker 2 (28:49):
all I have another hack that's.
Part of my app but that I doI've been doing for 20 years as
well.
It's called my, it's a littleblue Monday list.
So when you have those dayswhere you want, don't want to
get out of bed, like you'redown, you're stressed, or you're
overwhelmed, or you're just notfeeling motivated.
I have this little notepad thathas these 25 questions.
(29:12):
Is it because I feel outtashape?
Did I do something, get anargument with my wife, or is the
stock market down?
I try to troubleshoot exactly.
Maybe the two or three things.
That are making me feeloverwhelmed or bothered or just
not happy and relaxed in life.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
And
Speaker 2 (29:32):
so I call, and now it's actually in my app now,
it's called this life stressorstool.
So you track what are the lifestresses in your life.
'cause until stress is not aboutworking hard, stress to me is
about knowing you have problemsand doing nothing about them.
Speaker (29:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And so if you can figure out what's causing it.
And as soon as you start doingsomething about it, oh my God,
you start feeling better aboutit.
Speaker (29:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So that's my life hack.
Speaker (29:57):
Yeah.
Oh, that's good.
Yeah.
I like to relate that towardswhen you hike up a mountain,
oftentimes you start at thetrailhead and you look at the
top and you're like, oh my God.
It's overwhelmed and you itmakes you not wanna do it, but
you Yeah.
You move forward and somehow youhave no idea how you're gonna
get there.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah.
Speaker (30:14):
And sometimes you don't even know how you're gonna get
like to the 10 feet ahead'causeyou can't see the trail or
something.
But you keep going and the pathpresents itself, right?
And then before you know it, yougot into the top and yeah, just
such a great feeling ofaccomplishment.
But
Speaker 2 (30:26):
yeah, no, it's actually one of my philosophies
in life is we're happy in it.
We're happiest.
When we're making progress.
Yes.
So if you have something youwant to do or goal and you're,
and you feel like you're makingprogress on it, you're, you just
feel happier.
Yeah.
Like when I have a night where Igo to bed and I got nothing done
(30:46):
that day, I'm like, miserable.
I'm like, shit, how did I letthis day go by?
Speaker (30:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I got something done.
I made some progress onsomething I feel, yeah.
And oftentimes
Speaker (30:55):
even achieving the goal that you were is not as
rewarding as the progresstowards it.
All the little obstacles along.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what about a favorite, Ialluded to this one earlier.
This is a show, an activity, abook anything you want that is
just a favorite.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So you're a little younger than me.
You remember chairs?
Of course.
Speaker (31:15):
I'm not much younger than you.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I've been looking at some of those.
Because George, we Norm justdied this year.
Oh my God.
I
Speaker (31:22):
didn't know that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
How funny he was with his one-liners.
Speaker (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Oh, it's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing mc
milk bone underwear.
That was what, that was one ofhis lines.
Yeah.
So my, I love that show.
I still watch Seinfeld and, it'scrazy.
Yeah.
That stood the test of time.
My kids and I watch Seinfeld nowand they love that.
So those are probably two of myfavorite shows.
Even they stood the test oftime.
Speaker (31:48):
Yeah.
That's funny.
My daughter loves shows fromfrom our generation.
Yeah.
And she Cheers is right upthere.
And Seinfeld, the guy Seinfeldis.
Just genius.
Really.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah.
Speaker (32:01):
So what about a piece of advice for your younger self,
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Younger self?
I think I was a little bit twothings.
Probably a little over ambitiousand spent too much time in my
younger years and didn't really.
Create enough really closefriendships like, and I really,
my parents were immigrants andso no, they never really taught
(32:26):
me.
You really almost have to knowhow to invest to create, listen,
reciprocate support.
And so sometimes I'm jealouswhere some of my friends have
these, blood brothers, andsometimes I don't feel like I, I
have enough of those around me'cause I didn't invest.
And creating those kind of,amazing friendships.
I wish I had more of those from,my younger days.
Speaker (32:49):
Yeah.
Did you grow up in Grafton too,or
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Connecticut?
Shelton.
Connecticut, yeah.
Shelton,
Speaker (32:54):
Connecticut.
Okay.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah.
Speaker (32:56):
Where is Shelton?
Just,
Speaker 2 (32:57):
it's the last town in Fairfield County, so near
Bridgeport.
Speaker (33:00):
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Haven right in that, yeah.
Speaker (33:02):
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
New England, I asked because it,new England is such a, like a
region of villages, essentially.
Every town is really like avillage, and people have these
really tight relationships andoftentimes people don't even
move too much.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, there's a lot of ethnic communities.
Big time.
You go to New Britain,Connecticut, and it's Polish
community.
There's thousands of Polish.
You go to Boston and there's alittle, you could have a little
Italy and little Ireland here,and that's
Speaker (33:32):
right.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
And it's amazing how, the cultures preserve in pockets
here in New England for sure.
Speaker (33:38):
Yeah, totally.
And where I grew up is CentralFalls, Rhode Island.
It was a big Colombiancommunity, and that's where I
am.
So my parents are
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah.
From
Speaker (33:46):
there too.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah.
And then I think there's anArmenian pocket in that way.
Yes,
Speaker (33:49):
there is.
Yeah.
One of my best friends was half.
Armenia have Syrian.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Again, it's, we're hu we're creatures of nature,
right?
We like to socialize with ourown tribe,
Speaker (33:59):
right?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
So that's funny.
How about either talk abouteither one of these however it
resonates with you, either a bigopportunity or a limiting
belief.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I.
I'm gonna go with, I know thissounds trendy, but I'm seeing
two sides of the coin on ai.
I'm seeing people who are superskeptical, afraid, saying, oh, I
heard it's super inaccurate andI am the opposite.
(34:32):
I'm a, oh my gosh, I use it two,three hours a day.
I know I.
I've crossed this thresholdwhere I used to go to Google 10,
20 times a day, and now I thinkI go to chat GBT 10, 20 times a
day.
Yeah.
I get an agreement that I gottaanalyze and I'm no lawyer, and I
just put it in there and say,Hey, gimme the gist of this
(34:53):
agreement.
I need an email.
Like I'll write down fourbullets and it'll write.
I mean my pro productivity fromai.
I think it's through the roof,so this stuff is not hype.
I think it is changing the worldfor sure.
Speaker (35:05):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I gotta tell you I'm doing thesame thing.
I'm buying a property out inIllinois right now.
It's a different type of assetthan I've ever had and it's a
different jurisdiction and I'vebeen in, and I've been reaching
out to lawyers and the contractI just put out.
Put it on chat gpt, see what it,what I get.
And these lawyers are takingdays to get back to me on
(35:27):
anything, and and when they dothey, it's more, even more days
to, to review all that stuff.
But I kept going'cause I'm soused to that.
And what cha GPTI didn't want totrust it because but I put it in
there and it spit back, Hey,this is what to look for in this
contract.
You might wanna go back and goall this different advice.
Yeah.
And I even and finally the onelawyer who got back to me, I go
(35:49):
through that with him notknowing, he doesn't know I use
chat GPT.
Yeah.
He.
Agreed on all the points.
Some of the stuff that I'm, thathe missed, I brought up to him.
He's oh yeah, that'sinteresting.
You know what I mean?
All the, all these things.
And I'm like, wow.
So the people who are afraid ofdisruption,
Speaker 3 (36:06):
yeah.
Speaker (36:07):
It's because they're not adapting.
If they don't adapt and use it,they will lose because we don't
have the time we're working at,we're in a society.
If we snooze, we lose.
So we have to, I adapt to thesethings.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, totally agree.
Now one thing I'll, my lastlittle thing that I'll mention
is I'm a four days a weekcompany and I just totally
believe that we can get moredone Monday through Thursday, be
more efficient, deep work, andhave more balance in our life
and have Fridays off.
There's such diminishing.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Friday so we don't have any employee meetings.
You basically use Friday foryour family home or catch up on
email.
If you're behind at work, use itfor catch up.
But I bring it up only'cause nowyou can be more efficient Monday
through Thursday with ai.
Get more done.
Speaker (36:53):
A hundred percent.
Yeah, it's good to hear thisfrom somebody from New England.
'cause I think about the workethic there is always just work
and, oh no, moving out west,it's been this way.
People don't work here onFridays so they can say that.
And and now it's good to hearsomebody back east saying that
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I'm trying, I'm
Speaker (37:09):
trying.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Personally, I don't wanna work Fridays anymore.
I'm at a point in my life where,you don't have
Speaker (37:15):
to,
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I don't have to, so I'm not going to, and other
societies around the world areproving you can still be a good,
strong country and economy.
At least Spain working 35 hoursa week and not six.
There's balance.
There's like we talked about thediet.
It's the same with the familycultures in other places of the
world, family is more important.
A hundred percent.
They, some people measuresuccess by how good of a father
(37:39):
or mother or family man theywere not by how much money they
made.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So it's a different world.
So I'm trying to bring some ofthat here to New England.
Yeah.
Speaker (37:47):
Good, good.
How about yeah I guess at thispoint, if people wanna know a
little bit more about you, maybeget their zen score, their life
score how could they go aboutdoing that?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah.
First of all, it's easy to findme.
Z Juki, Z-U-J-E-W-S-K-I.
There's only 30 of us in thewhole world.
Speaker (38:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I've warned my kids.
Be careful what you put out onsocial media because when they
Google you, you're gonna be theonly answer that come that comes
up.
So good life.com with two is mywebsite.
Look for Bill Zaki on LinkedIn.
DM me, connect me.
And then if you go to Amazon,just type in Zaki, you'll get
my, the only book written byZaki is What's Your Life score?
(38:29):
On Amazon and Bill andbill@goodlife.com.
That's my email.
That's the ways to get ahold ofme.
Speaker (38:35):
Excellent.
Thank you Bill.
This is I love how you've brokenit down.
I think you got your prioritiesstraight and you got a good
system for helping other peopledo the same.
Thank you for sharing that and Ihope people go check it out.
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