I Didn’t Listen to My Body… Until It Forced Me to Stop | Ep 87

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Listen to your body — it's not just a wellness cliché. It's the message that could save your health, your energy, and your future. In this episode of The Wellness Connection podcast, I'm joined by Karina Hogan, a life and business coach who opens up about what happened when she didn’t listen… and how it nearly cost her everything.

If you're a woman feeling constantly exhausted, burnt out, or like your body is shutting down from stress, this conversation is for you. Karina shares her deeply personal healing journey — from chronic gut issues and total fatigue to rebuilding her health using mindset shifts, body awareness, nervous system regulation, and holistic practices.

👉 We talk about:

What it really means to listen to your body
How burnout sneaks up on strong, capable women
The early warning signs we often ignore

The connection between stress, gut health, and emotional trauma

Why healing isn’t one-size-fits-all — and how to find your missing puzzle piece

💬 If you’ve been pushing through, soldiering on, or just feeling like something’s “off,” it’s time to stop, breathe, and tune in.

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Episode Transcript

Fiona Kane (00:01):
Hello and welcome to the Wellness Connection Podcast
with Fiona Cain.
I'm your host, Fiona Cain, andI have another guest today and
we're going to be talking aboutwhy listening to your body is
the key to your success in lifeand business.
So my guest today is KarinaHogan.
Hi, Karina.

Karina Hogan (00:20):
Hi Fi, Is it okay if I call you Fi and be that
informal?

Fiona Kane (00:24):
That's fine.
That's fine.
We've known each other for along time now.
I'm not quite sure exactly howlong, but About 2010,.

Karina Hogan (00:30):
I reckon.

Fiona Kane (00:32):
Yeah, yeah.
So that's about 14 years sincewe haven't seen each other for a
long time, but we met all thoseyears ago and we've sort of
stayed in connection.

Karina Hogan (00:40):
So for those of you who don't know, you tell us
a little bit about yourself so,for those of you who don't know
you, uh, tell us a little bitabout yourself, okay?
So, um, I am 59 years young, or59 laps on the planet, however.
You know you want to do that 59times around the sun, that sort
of stuff, because people don'tlike saying I'm 59 years old.
So, um, I'm, um, I'm a wife,I'm a mother, I'm a nanny of

(01:04):
three amazing grandkids, andanytime you want me to talk, fee
, just ask me to talk about thegrandkids so I can do that.
I run my own business and I runit pretty much to suit my
lifestyle, because that's whatI'm about.
I'm about how do I create alifestyle that I love?
Because, to me, if you cangenerate income doing what you

(01:27):
love, then why the frick not?
You get to hang with coolpeople.
You make, you know, really niceconnections.
Um, I mix business and pleasureall the time.
I do business with friendsbecause I think, why wouldn't
you hang out with people thatyou love?
So to me, it doesn't make sensenot to um, yes, I've been a.
I'm a fully qualified, uh, lifeand business coach.

(01:50):
I've been coaching since 2007.
Uh, you can do the maths onthat we're 2024.
Um, I, I, I guess I'm a quite anentrepreneur.
I love trying different things,you know, I like variety, I
like challenge, I like adventure.

(02:10):
So I think nature and theoutdoors is probably the outdoor
university for me.
I never went to university,didn't really interest me that
much, but I have done a lot ofcourses and a lot of trainings
over the years, hence why we metwhen we were doing one back in
like 2010 to 2012 or somethinglike that, because growth is in

(02:33):
my top three values.
It's.
I love it, you know, and I loveconnection, like connection is
so important to me.
So to me, everything'sconnected and it all comes back
me.
So to me, everything'sconnected and it all comes back.
So, um, so you know what I, whatI, what I love to do is empower
people.
I love to nurture people, Ilove to give them strategies and

(02:55):
skills to um, to create thatlifestyle that's right for them,
and it's going to lookdifferent.
What your lifestyle is going tolook different to my lifestyle.
You know, you and you and hubbygreg, me and my hubby, you know
my hubby's retired now, but I'mstill um working, you know, and
three days a week, so it'saround.

(03:17):
It's about what's right for me,you know, and what lights me up
.
So that's why, um, I'vediscovered over the years that
we have this internal guidancesystem that actually empowers us
to live a better life, a moreinformed life, a more connected
life, and that's where thelistening to your body, you know
, has been really key for me, um, to regain my health, which

(03:41):
I'll go into and establish, um,an abundant life, like to create
an abundant life, becausethat's actually how we're
designed to be.
We're actually designed to livein abundance, not lack.
And, yeah, that journey to getyou know that place, and we're

(04:05):
just saying off camera, before I, last year, I was in my
business, I knew that there wasa shift and a change.
So every time I change, mybusiness evolves, every time I
change and I grow and I learnsomething new.
Number one, I want to sharethat with other people.
But number two, I and the otherthing is I get bored.
I don't know about you, but Ilike variety, so I get bored

(04:26):
doing the same thing, talkingabout the same thing.
So I'm always growing, learning, evolving, and in that I came
across this piece of the puzzle,which was it was funny I was
sitting in a um, I was takingsome time out.
I was in Bendigo visiting my son, and I was having a coffee in a
like I can still remember whereit was.
I was having a coffee in a Ican still remember where it was.
I was having a coffee in thisarcade and I had the most

(04:49):
beautiful chai tea I think itwas a prana chai or something.
It was fabulous.
And I was just sitting out innature like under these really
cool trees big, massive trees, Idon't know what they were, but
and and I was drinking my teaand I was just sitting there
pondering, as I often do, and Isort of got this and I can't

(05:09):
remember how it came about, butit was like it was a huge
epiphany around.
We have this innate wisdom thatresides within us, that
communicates with us about ourbody and how to do life and how
we can do it differently.
That communicates with us aboutour body and how to do life and
how we can do it differently.
And, looking back over theyears, and how I've connected

(05:31):
into my body and the journeythat I went on for my health and
wellness, the more connectedand the more I tuned and
listened to my body and how itreacted or responded to things
depended on the level of healthand well-being that I had versus
what I didn't.
And it was like, oh my god, ifI listen to this, then I'm going

(05:57):
to be on track and I'm going tobe in tune and I'm going to be
connected to this amazing sourceof wisdom.
And I like to tweak with wordsand play with words.
So I remember sitting theregoing okay, so it's an innate
wisdom, yes, and I've heardother people talk about this,
but it was like, oh my freakingGod, it was one of those aha

(06:19):
moments that just strike you tothe core of your being and
causes a bit of a seismic shift.
And I was like but I don't wantto call it like innate wisdom,
that's a bit boring and Iremembered a ski trip.
I went to New Zealand with mydad back in the 90s and we were
skiing powder snow which wedon't get a lot of in Australia

(06:41):
for the people that don't knowand aren't skiers and Dad
suggested we hire a mountainguide for the day, which we did,
and this guide was really cooland he took us on to like secret
little spots on the mountainand he had a buddy who was

(07:01):
actually skiing in an extremeskiing competition.
These are the guys that ski offcliffs, do somersaults, do
everything weird and dangerous,jump out of helicopters and that
sort of thing.

Fiona Kane (07:17):
Yeah, like the people who jump out of
helicopters and that sort ofthing, yeah, but they were doing
it all the time I've been to.
Queenstown in New Zealand.
They like to do lots ofdangerous things.
I know I was watching them dowas watching them jumping off
that bridge there too I'm happy,just to watch I know I'm a bit
like oh, I won't ever go at that.

Karina Hogan (07:33):
And so this guy wanted to, um, watch his mate.
So he skied us down to thisarea, this vantage point.
That was off-piste, which meansnot on the basic groomed ski
run, so he could actually watchhis buddy.
However, I was only an intimateskier.

(07:54):
My dad was a better skier thanme and I looked down and we had
to ski down this chute which waslike a narrow corridor and it
had, like these these big,massive boulders scattered and
it was a little bit icy and I'mlike you want us to ski down
there to get to there?
I think you're crazy.

(08:15):
And he goes it's okay, karina,just look at me, and all you
have to do is one turn at a time, ski where I ski and just
follow it.
And I'm like I'm pretty muchinto self-preservation, but I
like a bit of risk and I'mlooking at this going and we'd

(08:36):
done a bit of skiing by thisstage.
So the guy had assessed whetherwe were, you know, up for it or
not, and so I sort of went in myhead, I sort of did a quick
assessment and I sort of went.
Well, he wouldn't be asking usto do it.
If he didn't think we could doit, maybe I should just trust
him and follow the guide.
So I went okay, and when youski and you're on an incline,

(09:02):
you have to commit.
There's no, you can't hang back, because if you hang back you
actually lose control over yourskis.
So you commit, you commit,you're in.
So I went okay, I'm in, and Idid it and I skied down.
And then I looked back to whereI came and went.
That's amazing, like I was sowrapped.
But what I learnt was my innatewisdom within me.

(09:25):
I now call my internal skiguide.

Fiona Kane (09:30):
So I listen to it.

Karina Hogan (09:31):
I'll follow it.
It's often just one turn at atime.
Try this, do that coursecorrect if you need to.
So I tell you all that, to tellyou that listening to that
internal ski guide is reallyimportant for your health and
wellbeing, because sometimeswhen you sleep you can die.

Fiona Kane (09:48):
Yeah, so yeah, well, my ski story isn't quite as
good as that one.
My ski story involves me sortof trying to ski down this well,
I'd call it a mountain, butother people would probably call
it a little tiny hill and notbeing able to do it and losing
control and going halfway downon my like, laying down halfway
down on my backside, eventuallycoming to a stop sort of halfway

(10:11):
down the mountain, sittingthere crying, saying get me out
of here.
And my husband came up to meand said listen, there's only
two ways you're going to get offthis mountain.
You're either going to ski downor you're going to take.
If you ski off, you're going towalk down.
Which is it?
I'm going to walk down.

(10:32):
And then I went down.
I walked down and I booked infor a skiing lesson the next day
.
I did a bit of a lesson.
I had already done one.
I did a bit more of a lessonand the guy who was giving me
the lesson actually said I thinkyou should maybe go and sit in
the cafe and have a hotchocolate.
I think you've had enough fortoday.
And uh, that was my sort oflittle confirmation for me that

(10:53):
my ski career was over.
I was the person who wasfalling over and knocking over
all the little children andlittle children, all standing
looking at you.
Then I was like I was.
I was falling and headingtowards them and kind of going
move, move, move, because Icouldn't stop myself, because I
was flying across the ice.
Anyway, my ski story isn't asgood as yours.
I didn't get the um.

Karina Hogan (11:15):
Some of us are built, but we call it apres ski.
That sit, sit in the place,drink the hot chocolate, drink
the wine, whatever you know, andwatch the others ski past.
It's always nice.

Fiona Kane (11:25):
Yes, yes.

Karina Hogan (11:26):
I'm that person now.
So if Greg's the skier, you'rethe apres skier.
So it's balance.
See, it's all about balance.

Fiona Kane (11:32):
You know Exactly, I can handle that Inside nice and
warm, just you know, I can dothat, I can do that bit really
really well.

Karina Hogan (11:41):
Yeah, I'm up for that, and to me it's all about
checking in with your capacity,you know.
So it's in one of the coursesthat I did to actually get my
health back on track, because Iwant to tell a little bit about
how sick I actually was.
So people actually get where Iam today, how miraculous that is
, and I know you have a verycool story about your ill health

(12:04):
journey as well and hence whyyou're in what you're in in your
profession.
But I, back in when was it?
2012,?
I had a whole series of eventshappen in 12 months that were
huge stress events Like on the.
I remember going and gettingsome coaching with a mutual

(12:27):
friend of ours at the timebecause I couldn't kickstart the
year, I couldn't get myselfinto gear come 2012.
I just had no mojo whatsoeverand I didn't know what was going
on.
And I was talking to my friendand they said so what's been
going on in your life?
And I went.
Well, my dad died.
We actually had one of ourfavourite dogs die.

(12:51):
My son was in a relationshipand that broke up.
I can't remember all the things, but there was like I had a
couple of clients actually justghost me like we were getting
amazing results and they justcut me off and did not
communicate why and what theywere doing.
So I had all these major stressevents, um, and grief, like

(13:16):
really big amounts of griefgoing through, and when dad died
in 2011, it was was now both myparents were dead, so my mum
and my dad had died and I'msorry if this is upsetting
bringing up stuff.
So it was the end of mum anddad.

(13:37):
There was no one to ring totalk to or go and have a couple
with where I could go remind meabout mum, because mum died back
in 94.
And I thought I was okaybecause I, you know, lived
through mum dying and I was okay.
And so I was sort of aroundthat and mum and dad both died

(14:00):
suddenly, but years apart, and Iwas like, oh no, no, I got this
, I know what to expect, but itwas nothing like I expected
because it was dad dying, plusthere was an end of mom and dad.
So like part of me felt I feellike a freaking orphan now.
It was weird and then, yeah, Ijust my, my tank was just in

(14:23):
zero.
You know I'd give and I'd givenand given and given and given.
I just my tank was just in zero.
You know I'd given and givenand given and given.
I just kept going and Ifreaking the words you said
before this call it was I wassoldiering on, because I'd
learned to soldier on.
That's what I was taught.
You know, that was ingrained inme growing up to soldier on.
If stuff happens, you beresilient, you get up on your

(14:46):
feet and you keep going.
You know, if you muck up, youown it, if you do stuff, you
just keep going.
And as a society and I thinkespecially women we are told to
soldier on.
You know like there's even anad around cod drool, flu tablets
or whatever.
Don't stop and listen.

Fiona Kane (15:03):
Do they still do that since COVID?
I don't know if they still dothat.
Are they doing it again?
Because I noticed it stoppedaround COVID because they didn't
want people soldiering on, theydidn't want people coming to
work.

Karina Hogan (15:13):
Then Up until then it was always the message those
ads.
I don't watch commercialtelevision, so I wouldn't have a
clue.

Fiona Kane (15:23):
Right up until then it was the message, and so I
wouldn't have a clue.
Right up until then it was themessage and I used to talk about
the same thing, but I don'tknow if they've started them
again or what they've done sincethen.
Yeah, it changed when suddenlythey didn't want you to come to
work.

Karina Hogan (15:33):
Yeah, funny about that.
But yeah, you're right, Stayhome if you're sick.

Fiona Kane (15:35):
The message yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, yeah,
exactly Exactly.

Karina Hogan (15:43):
But the whole COVID thing came in a little bit
with the whole, because to me Iwas thinking as a kid when we
grew up if you got sick and yougot a cold and stuff like that,
you stayed home and you rested,you didn't go out in the public
and you know, contaminateeveryone and exhaust yourself
when you actually needed to stayhome, drink fluids and rest so
your body could actuallyregenerate.

Fiona Kane (16:02):
Yeah.

Karina Hogan (16:03):
But and so, yeah, all that thing just did my head
in a little bit to thinking, um,yeah, do all that, but that's a
whole other conversation.
Um, so, yeah, so, uh.
So what happened 2012?
Um, and so I actually decided,uh, with my coach at the time,
to actually take a sabbatical,to take three months off to try

(16:23):
and regroup, you know, and dealwith all this emotional stuff
that I had to go through, and Irealised I'd actually been
soldiering on.
I realised that that's when Iactually got introduced to Brene
Brown and her amazing TED talkon vulnerability.
It was around learning to bevulnerable and to ask for help,
because I was shy at asking forhelp.

(16:45):
I was very good at soldiering onand doing it all independently.
I was a very strong,independent woman.
You know like, I travelled thecountry on my own, I did stuff
on my own, I sorted it.
I was, however, having livedthat adrenalised life from a
teenager and all this stressevent that my body couldn't

(17:05):
handle and didn't know what todo with.
It fell apart, and I'd had alot of signals over those years
to slow down, to stop to do thisand to do that, and I call them
the feather approach.
So my body's going.
No, you actually need a littlebit of time out.
Actually, you need to have alittle bit of rest.
Actually, you need to take morethan a month off.

(17:26):
When your dad died, you need totake, you know, a substantial
amount of time.
However, I didn't listen to anyof those little signals that my
body was giving me, because ourbody is amazing, it'll go.
It's funny.
I was on a Zoom call earliertoday with an amazing community
I've connected with and we weretalking about exactly this same

(17:47):
thing, and one of the ladies onthe call was saying I said you
will know the signals that yourbody gives you when you're
stressed.
And I asked her to replay whatthey were.
And she said I get a headache.
And I went excellent.
I said, yes, but what happensbefore you get a headache?
And she goes oh, I get a stiffneck, all the muscles in my neck

(18:08):
get stiff.
And I said and what happensbefore that?
And she said oh, my head's,just stuff's going around in my
head.
And I said and what happensbefore that?
And so we went backwards.
You know, and all those littlesignals that her body was giving
her, she was ignoring until shegot a headache.

Fiona Kane (18:29):
Yes.

Karina Hogan (18:30):
Which is the body doing the brick thing instead of
the feather thing.
You know it's like hang on, youneed to drink a little bit more
water.
Hang on, you need to do a bitof a brain dump and write down
all those things that arestressing you out, just to get
them out of your head, andactually you just need to take.
I call them the whispers, thewhispers.

Fiona Kane (18:48):
You call them the feathers, I call them the
whispers.
I say your body whispers and itwhispers.
It gets a bit louder, it gets abit louder it starts shouting
at you.

Karina Hogan (18:57):
And then, if you don't listen, your body actually
takes you out because it hasthe long game in its sights.
You know it's like you're notgoing to listen, you're not
going to come on, listen to me,listen to me, listen to me not
listening, not listening, notlistening, whack.
And that's what happened to me.
So about June 2012, I got hitwith I actually went and had a

(19:22):
root canal.
Three weeks later I got hit andhad a root canal.
Three weeks later, I got hitand the root canal was really
traumatic.
Like I remember sitting in thecafe afterwards because I had to
go out of town for it and I hada root canal.
And I remember sitting in thecafe waiting for a friend to

(19:42):
meet me and I was just sittingthere and I was going God, I
feel weird.
And there was this wholeshakiness, this whole
disconnection thing, this wholetraumatized, and I was just
sitting there going what am Ifeeling?
What am I feeling?
And I went oh my God, this isactually shock.

(20:03):
I was listening, listening, Iwas feeling all the symptoms of
shock.
So the experience of the rootcanal put my traumatized my body
and I was actually in a shockstate, so it had shut down and
that's what I was feeling and itwas weird and I'm like, wow,
that's interesting.
And three weeks later all thesesymptoms started in my body of

(20:30):
it was a whole combination ofsymptoms of runny bowels.
Western society call itulcerative colitis.
To me I just call it and theycall it an autoimmune condition.
I just say it's a wholecollection of symptoms of stress
where my body had had enoughand wanted to get my attention

(20:50):
and I wasn't listening and itstarted me down a journey of
unwellness and really sick, likeI just all sorts of foods that
I normally could eat justinflamed my guts.
I got like runny bum.
I ended up with I don't don'tknow.
As a nutritionalist, I know howdetailed you get into talking

(21:11):
about stuff, but I could notcontrol my bowels.
You know I actually cracked mypants in public multiple times
because I couldn't hold on.
My life became so small andthat everywhere I go I needed to
know where a toilet was and itput me in a fear state which

(21:32):
just added to the stress,lowered my vibration and, for
someone who had lived a life ofsuch independence, I ended up in
bed for months.
I remember lying in bed and mybody was just wasting away
because it couldn't absorb thenutrients from the food.

(21:54):
My body shut down so much andit was just this huge stress
response and you know, I did allthe things like.
I went to see eventually sorry,I took me about six months, I
think, to go to a GP.
And I went to see eventuallysorry, it took me about six
months, I think, to go to a GP.
And I went to the GP after Istarted passing blood and I was

(22:16):
thinking, you know that fearfactor of not wanting to know
what's going on versus needingto know what's going on.
I had a lovely friend.
I remember the first time Iconfessed that to a girlfriend
and she was so supportive andshe said look, you're better off
to go and get help and see a GP, because I was trying to do it

(22:39):
all naturally and I wasn'tgetting any traction, you know.
And I ended up going to see aGP and I found an amazing GP
that actually listened to me andwould work with me and that
started me on a whole.
So I guess you know, becausewe're talking about the piece of
the puzzle, that about takingresponsibility for your health,

(23:03):
so that one decision to go.
Okay, I need a starting point.
So to go and see a GP to getsome help, to get some diagnosis
, to do some bloods and all thatsort of stuff, to figure out
what's going on, because at thisstage I had no clue what was
going on.

Fiona Kane (23:17):
And that's important what you just said.
You need the starting pointright, because sometimes we try
and pretend it's not happening,or we don't want to know what's
happening, or we think that wewant to do things naturally or
whatever, and that's all great,but sometimes you actually just
need to know what you're workingwith in the first place.
Yeah so at least you need toknow.
What is it Like you can't sortof I think Eckhart Tolle talks

(23:38):
about sort of.
You know you can't changesomething until you acknowledge
where you are.
But to acknowledge where youare, you need information, don't
you?
Yeah, knowledge where you are,you need to.
You need information, don't you?
So you know whether or not youdo natural this or that or a
combination.
That's all great, well and good, but first you actually need to
know what you're dealing with,don't you?

Karina Hogan (23:54):
yeah, absolutely, and I needed that starting point
, I needed a kickoff point andit was key to okay.
So this is what's going on.
And soon as I got my power backby going to the appointment,
it's really interesting, youknow, and as much as I have a

(24:17):
belief around and at the timeand this was key to my wellbeing
is I've always had a belief aslong as I can remember, that if
I can give my body what it needs, it can heal itself.
And if I can stop doing what'sharming it, then it can heal
itself.
But if I continue to do thestuff that is, you know, there's

(24:38):
only so much you can do.
But you've got to stop theharming to do the healing, you
know.
Well, that's quite good, I mightwrite that down.
You've got to stop the harmingto do the healing.
Quite good, I might write thatdown.
You've got to stop the harmingto do the healing, yeah.
So I was looking for solutionsand to me, western medicine did
not have a solution.
They said to me okay, we'll putyou on this medication and

(25:02):
you'll be on this medication forlife, and I went in my head.
I remember thinking at the timeuh-huh, no, my body just went.
Okay, that's what you believe.
But I don't believe thatbecause I don't believe that I'm
designed to be on medicationfor life.
I believe in emergency medicine, you know.

(25:24):
I believe in things to dealwith massive amounts of
inflammation where you know,like you take some prednisolone
and that'll have a.
Whatever response, you know, oryou find other thing that will
you.
You need like triage.
If you're bleeding out, youdon't stick a band-aid on it,
put a freaking tourniquet on it.

Fiona Kane (25:40):
You know you apply pressure yeah, I'm not going to
the homeopath when I'm in thecar accident, but uh, I'm going
to go to the emergency.
So everything has its place.
And also, too, I mean, we'retalking about your journey.
People have all differentjourneys and different things
work for different people, soit's not one size fits all.
This is just your journey andit's you know.

(26:01):
You know who you are and, likeyou were talking about, as
you're talking now, you'retalking about connecting.
You're talking now.
You're talking about connectingwith your gut and kind of
interesting connecting with yourgut when it's your gut that was
affected by this.

Karina Hogan (26:14):
But anyway, I know it's hilarious, isn't it?
Yeah, and it was that.
It was that tuning in to what'smy body telling me.
You know, because I remembersitting in like specialist's
office and they'd say okay.
so we want you to like when Igot really, really bad because I
was losing weight and they wereputting me on medications that
dealt with the symptoms butdidn't get to the root cause,

(26:38):
which was great because, youknow, as soon as I stopped, I'd
get periods of wellness, butbecause we weren't dealing with
the cause, I would relapse again, and this went on from like
2012 to about 2020 to 2022.

Fiona Kane (26:59):
That's a long time.

Karina Hogan (27:01):
It's a long time.
I lost 26% of my body weight.
I was down to like 50 kilos.
I worried everyone around me.
But the funny thing in all ofthat unwellness the things that
I learned I would not give up,like the gifts in it was I
learned to listen to my body andget really in tune because my

(27:24):
brain shut down in a lot of ways.
I had so much brain fog I couldnot come up with sentences to
talk.
It would take me like sometimeshalf an hour to put together a
sentence.
It was really debilitating.
It made me feel reallyvulnerable and helpless.
But in all of that I had a hope.

(27:44):
If I can find what my bodyneeds, can heal itself.
So that one belief was mytouchstone um for finding and
coming into wealth and inabundance of wealth.
So, like at 59, like last week,I was climbing the pinnacle
walk in Halls Gap in theGrampians, which is a two-hour

(28:08):
walk uphill, and I got to thetop and I went.
I cried because it was suchthat was what I used to lay in
bed.
Visualizing.
That was one of the things Istarted meditating when I was
really, really sick and I'dvisualize walking on the beach
with the dog, even though Icouldn't do it.
I'd visualize going skiing oncertain mountains, even though I

(28:28):
couldn't do it.
I'd visualise going skiing oncertain mountains, even though I
couldn't do it, I'd visualise,you know, being out in nature
and doing all the stuff.
So all the pieces of the puzzlethat I needed, you know, and it
was listening to, about what Ican do here and what I can do
there.
And like, to me, wellness isnot just one piece, it's not
just nutrition, it's not justmeditation, it's not just

(28:52):
exercise.
It is that and so much more.
It is about having a mindset ofit, is about having a belief.
Like I have dibs on a hundred,I want to live to over a hundred
.
Now I've actually come incontact with some technology
that I can see myself livinglonger than the 100 I actually
had dibs on.

(29:13):
So, even though when I wasreally sick, I didn't give up
hope because I knew, number one,that there was stuff for me to
do on the planet and, number two, I had that belief that if I
can give my body what it needs,it'll heal itself.
So that learning to listen tomy body in decision making.
I used that when I had a friendreach out, another mutual

(29:34):
colleague who was a naturopathand offered support, so I went
down the naturopath road formultiple years said that wasn't
the answer for me.
I tried a whole lot of stuff,but the biggest thing and the
biggest breakthrough came when Igot to the root cause.

(29:55):
And the root cause was that2017 and it was stress.
So I had all this what do theycall it trapped traumatic stress
in my body from incidents andstuff all over the years from
like 2017, 2018.

(30:17):
I actually signed up to do acourse by Irene Lyon, who's a
nervous system regulation expert, and she took I did a was like

(30:38):
a 12 week course and I learnedso much about how to regulate
your nervous system because yournervous system dictates every
other.
It drives every other system inyour body.
Your nervous system dictatesevery other.
It drives every other system inyour body.
Yes, and all the strategies andthe tips.

(30:59):
It all gets you tuned intolistening to your body.
And do I have capacity for this?
You know it's funny.
I was talking to a girlfriendjust before this call and I was
around there and she's actuallyhad breast cancer and been going
through chemo and I was sayingthat I've come across this
revelation just like literallytwo weeks ago, about how, when

(31:21):
we as healers because I considermyself a healer, as I know you
consider yourself a healer whenwe support other.
You consider yourself a healerwhen we support other people, if
we give to them from our cupand we try and feed ourselves
from our cup and we give toeverybody else's cup, like the
grandkids.
And I help out the kids and Iwork with clients and I work

(31:43):
with my new tribe and I do that.
If I continually give from mycup and I give more than what's
in my cup, it's going to empty.
However, if I let my cup getfull and I know how to fill my
cup and then I keep filling mycup until it overflows and then
I give from the overflow, notfrom my cup, then I will never

(32:09):
have an empty cup.
Yeah, it's taken me all thistime to fill, figure that one
out.
And now I figured that one out.
That's the new piece in thepuzzle for my business.
For the next thing, movingforward yes because it's like
the airplane.

Fiona Kane (32:27):
Sorry, say that I was just saying, like the
airplane where they tell you toput your mask on the oxygen mask
on first before you put it toyour children or whoever you're
with.
I've just built my cup, sothat's great um, that's right,
we'll do a pause for a momentlet's do a pause for a moment
yep, we back.
We've cleaned up the spill,it's all okay.

Karina Hogan (32:50):
We'll survive.
No keyboards were harmed in thefilming of this podcast.

Fiona Kane (32:56):
I told you, last time I did a spill, I did it
over my power board.
I don't recommend that, by theway.

Karina Hogan (33:00):
No, Don't do that, Wouldn't recommend that at all,
Fee, unless you know it's apretty shocking experience, but
there's a dad joke right there.

Fiona Kane (33:19):
So, yeah, we were talking about all of the
different strategies that youhad tried to help with your
health.
We were talking about learningto listen to your body and how
important it was that you sortof started listening to your
body.
So we were sort of in thatgeneral vicinity somewhere, and
that's what I would like to knowa little bit more.
So what we did talk about, westarted talking about and you

(33:41):
and I talked about previously,was it's really important for us
to get the message to peoplethat there's not necessarily
always one answer.
Sometimes it's really importantfor us to get the message to
people that there's notnecessarily always one answer.
Sometimes it is a puzzle.
It's about putting the puzzletogether.
Now, sometimes you can do or tryall different therapies.
You could go to the naturopathor the homeopath or this or that
.
Whatever you do, sometimes itdoesn't obviously work, but

(34:01):
sometimes it's part of thepuzzle or it gives you a
foundational layer for the nextthing or whatever it is.
So there's just different waysof looking at it, and what I
would really like to uh, themessage I would like to get
across to anyone who's listeningor watching is.
Don't be discouraged when, like, the first thing you do or even
the second thing you do doesn'tseem to have worked.

(34:23):
It's not as always as simple,as that's rarely as simple as
that that these things are sortof they're layer upon layer or
bits of the puzzle.
And if you and the big thingthat you were saying that I
think is really relevant is thatyou kind of had this mindset
about if you give your body whatit needs, it can heal, and you

(34:44):
were kind of imagining you'resort of climbing up the mountain
or skiing or whatever it was,so you know, maybe just talk a
little bit more about thathealing journey and the things
that you found that have workedfor you over time.

Karina Hogan (34:58):
Yeah, cool.
So I remember when the firsttime like the value of
supplements.
I remember using magnesium onetime when I injured my neck and
back in, I think it was like2005.
And I went to see my doctor, Iwent to the chiro, all sorts of

(35:22):
stuff and at this period in mylife I was actually at a really
stressful time in my life.
It's hilarious now that I thinkabout it.
And I remember going to thedoctor and her prescribing me
for the first time somethinglike I don't even know the name
of it, tremel or something likethat and not understanding that

(35:43):
it like the classification ofthe drug.
You know that it was a reallystrong pain medication but it
didn't even take the edge off.
And I remember going into thelocal health food shop and
talking to the lady in there andI don't, I can't even remember
how this happened but she saidhave you thought about taking
magnesium?
And I went, no, what does thatdo you know?

(36:03):
I didn't know anything aboutsupplements back then and, oh my
god, she gave me some magnesium.
I took it home and I took it.
That night was the first sleepthat I actually like, decent
sleep that I'd got in weeks, andyou're really blurry my end at
the moment too.
Fee, just so you know.

Fiona Kane (36:22):
Um, yeah, you are as well, but that's all right.
We can hear each other and it'srecording and it'll be fine.

Karina Hogan (36:31):
And so that was like a piece of the puzzle.
And, like now, I actually takelike liquid magnesium in my
water every day.
That's one piece of the puzzle,you know.
It helps with pooping regularlyfor me.
It helps with muscle.
You know all sorts of amazingthings, so one piece of the
puzzle with muscle.
You know all sorts of amazingthings, so one piece of the
puzzle.
So back in when I was crook onceI started doing that nervous

(36:53):
system it was Irene Lyon.
The course that I did wascalled Smart Body, smart Mind.
It was actually learning torewire my nervous system.
So I don't know if people knowanything about nervous system
regulation, but basically ournervous system wires, it learns,
like it's put together based onour primary caregiver as a baby

(37:16):
.
And even if when you're in uteroyour mum was stressed out about
stuff or she was just one ofthose nervy people, then you
will come out as an anxiouschild because your nervous
system is being painted like,blueprinted off her and then in
her care or whoever's yourprimary caregiver if they're a

(37:37):
chilled, laid back person youwill grow up with your nervous
system regulating correctly, youknow, or resourcely or
healthily, versus like my mumwas quite an anxious person and
and the environment that I grewup in was very, let's just say

(38:01):
it felt like like if you did thewrong thing, you got in trouble
and there was corporalpunishment, so there was
consequences.
And I grew up in a veryadrenalized environment and my
natural energy type is I'm apush, push drive person.
So you combine that with mynatural energy type and I got
into this.
You know, I have to go, go, go,go go, you know, and that

(38:25):
adrenalizes your body and yourbody actually isn't designed to
run and operate in adrenalineall the time, because it
releases, is it cortisol andstuff into your gut and that's.
Can you explain some of that alittle bit?

Fiona Kane (38:39):
yeah, yeah.
So basically, you put your bodyinto this.
It was called fight, flight, andwhen you're in fight and flight
, you don't have any circulationgo to your digestive system or
to your sexual reproductiveorgans, which is why we often
end up with digestive symptomsand or fertility or sexual
function issues as well.
So you get no circulation there.

(38:59):
All of your blood flow goes toyour heart and and to your arms
and legs so that you can runfaster, because your fight or
flight, you're running from thebear or you're fighting the bear
, and so your body is in thismode of survival.
So, essentially, if your bodythinks that you're about to
become lunch, it does not matterif you digest lunch right.

(39:20):
So your body is keeping you andwhat it does is you release
cortisol cortisol, which is astress hormone, and you also
dump a whole bunch of glucoseinto your system so that you can
run and jump and whatever youneed to do.
Uh, and so that's one of thereasons why it can end up sort
of being problematic for peoplethat they start, you know,

(39:41):
putting on weight or developingtype 2 diabetes or those sorts
of issues blood sugardysregulation issues.
Yeah, yeah so you're dumpingthat glucose into your system
and if you literally are runningfrom a bear, that's fine,
you're going to use that glucose.
But if you're kind of, you know, yes, so, um, so, yeah, and
that you're right that that'swhat happens to, and I, my

(40:02):
mother, had sort of a fairlysevere anxiety disorder as well
and um, and interestingly, youknow, when I tell people what
happened, when we first got onthis call, before we actually
started recording, yourecognised sort of my energy,
like oh my God, you're reallyanxious, what's going on.
And I'd told you that I hadrecognised it earlier in the day

(40:23):
.
I was like, oh God, I evennamed it in one of the meetings
I was in, that I'm reallyanxious at the moment and even
though I teach this stuff, itdidn't occur to me to actually
do anything about it.
I just like soldered on nextthing, next call, next thing,
next thing, next thing.
I got on with you and you werekind of like I'm not having any
of that.

Karina Hogan (40:39):
I don't like that.
It's a journey and it's the.
There's so many pieces to thepuzzle and while we're focusing
on, we might be focusing on um,nervous system regulation.
I'm doing that.
Course.
We forget about this thing thatwe learn over here because the

(41:01):
conscious brain can only hang onto like between five and nine
pieces of information at a time.
So if you're taking yoursupplements, you're doing your
exercise.
You a time.
So if you're taking yoursupplements, you're doing your
exercise.
You've got your morning routine.
You're doing your meditation.
For me.
I do patches, which I'd love togive people a bit of
information about.
I use a Healy, which is afrequency device.
I regularly exercise.

(41:22):
I do my yoga.
You're going to forget somestuff.
You're going to forget that.
Oh, journaling's a really cooltool.
You know you're gonna forget,and that's okay, and that's why
I'm huge on surrounding myselfwith people that will hold me
accountable.
It was like my buddy that justgot right in my face and said
Karina, I think you need to gosee the GP, you know so that was
part of me getting my powerback by taking responsibility

(41:46):
for my health.
So I tried all these things.
So I tried the gp.
They didn't give me solutions.
So the key to I noticed withindoing this, starting the
exercises in this step-by-stepprogram.
Um.
So thank you, irene lion, who,if you are having any challenges
around that and you caughtyourself in fight-flight Irene

(42:08):
Lyon, if you want theeducational components, she is
huge.
She does an amazing course.
I think she runs it twice ayear now and it's called Smart
Body, smart Mind.
So look that up if that'sspeaking to you.
Within days, I noticed a change.
My diarrhoea stopped.
It was huge right.

(42:34):
And as soon as I started to getresults, I stopped doing the
course.
I know hilarious.
Corina didn't quite get themessage that time of realizing
how important it was.
So the thing about her courseback then was, once you
subscribe, you could rejoin anddo the course every year after
that if it was.
So the thing about her courseback then was, once you
subscribe, you could rejoin anddo the course every year after
that if you wanted.
So it has a great alumnicomponent.

(42:56):
So that was another piece ofthe puzzle.
Yes, the other thing that Icame across was, at this time I
could get like six months,sometimes 12 months, of symptom
free, right, but then I'd lapseback because I didn't have the

(43:19):
strategies in place as dailyhabits, which is what was key.
Yes, so for anyone that's trieda lot of things and given up
hope or so close to giving uphope, I just want to say don't,
because there are answers outthere and everybody's body is
bio, individual.
What's going to work for me?

(43:39):
100 might work for you 50, butthat's 50.
So do that, you know.
And meditation, like thatgrounding exercise we did.
They are great for bringing youinto your body and connecting
you to your body and um, and doyou want me to share that?

(44:00):
Yeah, sure.
So at the start of the call,when Fi was a little bit
stressed out because she'd beenunder the pump all day and
forgetting and that's how I justreminded her because she's a
mate, just to go hey, hang on aminute.
Can we just shut our eyes?
Can we just take a breath?
Can we just feel our feet onthe floor?
Can we feel our hands?

(44:22):
I like to put my hands on myknees and just play with my
fingers on my knee, because itbrings me right into my body.
It takes me out of my head.
My energy just drops into mybody.
And if I just breathe so I don'ttalk at a million miles an hour
because I get so excited,because I'm passionate about
empowering people and I justnotice the breath go through my
nostrils, because I get soexcited, because I'm passionate

(44:43):
about empowering people, and Ijust notice the breath go
through my nostrils, my chestexpand and I like to do big
belly breaths and draw up theenergy.
I like my feet, so I need todrop a chair.
If I put my feet flat on theground, I can draw the energy,
connect to the energy of theearth, and I know for some
people that's going to sound abit woo-woo, but just go with it

(45:03):
.
What's the worst thing thatcould happen?
And as your whole nervoussystem just starts to come back
online and stop running from thebear and you drop into your
heart, you become moreheart-centered, you become more
empathetic and feel free to dothat as many times as you like a

(45:25):
day.
You'll never wear it out andit's a really cool thing.
And I'm going to come up alittle bit because I don't like
feeling that low.
This is a little exercise thatI do whenever I feel like I need
it, and I'll go outside andI'll literally lay on the grass,
because we are energetic beingsand when I lay on the grass

(45:45):
like I just literally feel somuch better.
So, number one, I go outside,in the sun, the sun supercharges
me.
I feel like Superman.
I lay on the grass my energy,something I do on a regular
basis.
I've really got into barefootshoes recently.
I wear them.

Fiona Kane (46:06):
Ah great, basis.
I've really got into barefootshoes recently.
I wear them.
Ah great.
There is a lot of evidence foranything to do with grounding,
so that whole sort of you know,standing on the earth, hugging a
tree, laying on the ground,whatever.
Uh, and there's something I sawin the other day now I can't
remember what it was, but it was, it was.
There's very there'ssignificant evidence for it.
It's actually not just it mightsound woo woo, there's actually
there is significant evidencefor it.
It's actually not just it mightsound woo-woo.

Karina Hogan (46:23):
Yeah, there's actually there is real evidence
for this stuff I know, and youcan literally feel it, I, I,
when I went on my hikes a coupleof weeks ago, I like it was
severe tax on energy and, um, Ipulled all my resources and all
my tools out, I patched, I putmy energy patches on which I've
got on today, because I've gotquite a bit on today and I

(46:44):
remember coming across thisreally big tree and I just
stopped and I went wow, becauseI love trees, I love huge trees.
See, I was looking up and Iremember looking up at this tree
and going, wow, you've beenaround for a long time, you've
seen a lot of stuff.
And I said is it okay if I giveyou a hug, like I like to ask
trees permission?
I know that sounds woo-woo.
And the tree said yes.

(47:05):
So I had a hug and and I saidis it okay if I borrow some of
your energy?
Would that be okay?
so I literally hug and I did arecharge, which was great
because I still had a long wayto go, and then, on the way back
, I gave back.
I had the same tree, but I gaveback.
You know like I can do a bit ofReiki.
I'm into Reiki, yeah, and itwas really nice to be able to

(47:28):
give back.
I haven't done that before, sothat was really cool, yeah, yeah
.
So another piece in the puzzleis ground your energy.
You know like go outside defrag.
You know it's like one of thethings I had to do for the call
today was turn off my computer,shut all the tabs.
You know I didn't do a defrag,but I did a dump, I did a cold
boot, as they say in computertalk.

(47:49):
Yes, yeah, so, yeah.
So where did I get to?
I got to 2019.
I got to do the Smart Body,smart Mind.
Oh, and then talk aboutlistening to your gut.
I still hadn't got to a stagewhere I could maintain my
wellness for over 12 monthswithout relapsing in some way.
I was playing in Facebook oneday and I saw this little reel

(48:16):
from this amazing chick who, um,she said something about a
cocoa pulse test.
I don't know if you've heard ofthem, whether you use them, but
it was like how to get yourbody feedback from your body
about is this food okay for youor do you have a reaction to
this food?
And this little reel that I sawon another friend's story or

(48:38):
whatever it was, I went, oh,that's interesting, I need to
talk to her.
So I stalked her on Facebookand she was a functional
nutritionist.
And now I don't know how thatdiffers from what you do, fi,
but we just Probably not thatdifferent, but yeah, yeah we

(48:59):
just connected and I became aclient of hers and now she's
like one of my best mates on theplanet.
We're doing a business venturetogether which is absolute fun
to play with.
But she educated me on the howto nourish my body, which is
what my body needed.
So it was another huge piece ofthe puzzle, so much so now that

(49:21):
I can go to the fridge and I'llgo.
What do you need?
Body, and I'll actually get.
You need healthy fats, and Iactually know what that is.
So I got educated from Sal.
You know it's like okay, so getyourself some avo or slap some
butter on that.
Or, you know, use a whole heapof olive oil.
Or I need some macros, okay, sowhat you know know percentage

(49:43):
does my body need of that?
Okay, and I need, might need abig.
So I'm a um, I say ameatitarian, but you know I eat
meat, so I'm not vegan oranything like that.
Um, and I just listen to how mybody reacts or responds to that
.
I know if I have a lot of dairyanything other than butter I'll
just get mucusy the next day.

Fiona Kane (50:02):
Yeah, yeah, I'm the same with dairy and I need meat.
It grounds me.
Oh right, there's a clue ofwhat I need to have for dinner.
You're going to need it.
Run from the bear.

Karina Hogan (50:13):
Yeah, and it's really interesting.
Like I've got a friend who'sfull-on vegetarian and you know
she's like, she's fit, she's afit woman, like she's in her 60s
, she's a yoga teacher, she'sart, she's fun.
She's one of my cold dippingfriends.
We're actually going for a walkthis afternoon instead of cold

(50:34):
dipping.
Yeah, so another piece of thepuzzle was that get the educated
about the different food groupsand how to do that and what I
loved about so Sally Ann Kearnswas her name and what I loved
about, what I learned with her.
It was the knowledge about,like how to plate up and how to

(50:57):
nourish your body with food, butalso the really important part
of sit down and eat.
Karina, I still hear her in myhead.
She's one of the people thatlive in my head.
It's like sit down and eat.
Do not read, do not watch telly, do not watch the news.
No, I don't watch the news and Igo outside as much as I can.

(51:18):
When we live in a I don't knowwhat you call this place, but
it's southern Victoria and itgets quite chilly.
But I'll sit outside.
I'll still sit outside on ournice covered in area and eat and
just chill.
You know, I'll often just siton the grass and eat on the
grass.
I ground my energy and take thetime and express gratitude
before I eat it, so I just getmy digestion into that.
So you probably understand moreabout that.

(51:39):
But just get my digestion intothat.
So you probably understand moreabout that.
But just get my.

Fiona Kane (51:42):
So that's rest and digest mode.
So instead of being in fight orflight mode.
We need to be in rest anddigest mode.
And rest and digest mode, thenyou get the circulation goes to
your digestive system so you canmake the digestive enzymes, so
then you can actually digest thefood, absorb the nutrients and
the calories you need andeverything goes where it should
go, rather than sit there andstart coming back up again an

(52:03):
hour later and you know all thatsort of stuff, or sit in your
office.

Karina Hogan (52:07):
Don't do that.
People Don't sit in front of thetelly, don't sit reading the
paper while you're doing it,because I used to be a big
reader when I used to eat, butyou can have like reactions and
emotional responses to readingthe newspaper while you're
sitting there if you don't, andthat that'll take you out of
rest digest so you then you'renot getting the nutrients from
your food.

(52:27):
And what I noticed with that waswhen I did that, when I sat and
I ate and I let my body rest in, like drop into that rest
digest state, I actually didn't.
I was number one more presentwhen I was eating and I actually
didn't have to eat as much,because Sal taught me to listen
to my body, like what my body'sfull signal was and just that as

(52:51):
you eat and you talk and youtake your time doing it, I'll
get a burp that comes up andthat's the last bit of air
escaping, you know, and I'lljust get that.
Okay, I'm done.
And like I did that before whenI was eating my lunch, I was
like I still had food left on myplate but I went no, actually

(53:13):
I'm done, and I just left it andthat was another piece of
actually learning to listen tomy body because I grew up.

Fiona Kane (53:20):
Yeah, there's a difference between satisfied,
full and bursting and most of us, because we eat, unconsciously
we go to full or bursting, and Igrew up it's probably the same
as you I grew up with.
You have to eat everything onyour plate.

Karina Hogan (53:34):
Yeah, that's it, because my mum and dad grew up
in a depression.
Yeah, and there was lack, youknow, yes, and I remember after
I was married and I was platingup and I was eating, you know,
when I was serving our own, likemy hubby's meals, and I
remember eating and getting tothe point where I had that
epiphany of actually I don'thave to finish what's on my

(53:55):
plate because I'm actually full,and that was huge.
And when I realized that Iactually began to shift weight,
which was really interestingbecause I started once again
hooking into listening to mybody.
So I did that.
But the final, like the lastpiece, like I've been learning

(54:16):
yoga, I've been doing yoga andstuff like that but one thing I
actually really want to bring topeople's attention because it
has been a massive piece of nowI learnt the words for this it's
foundational priority,foundational healing priority.
What's that three thing?

(54:36):
What's that called?

Fiona Kane (54:39):
I don't know.
I just talk about thefoundational medicine or
foundational body needs orwhatever I don't know.

Karina Hogan (54:47):
Okay, so sal talks about it and she'll be um, so
your body will actually um healnorth to south, so wherever your
body needs the most healing, itwill start there.
So when you start on a newthing, you mightn't think you're
making any progress because youdon't see anything but your
body's prioritizing thefoundations for healing first.

(55:08):
So often people give up toosoon, so they'll start something
and then they go oh, this isn'tworking.
But they haven't actuallystayed with it long enough
because their body is actuallydoing all this unseen stuff.
And was it last year, march lastyear, sal introduced me to.

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I'm going to show you what thisis.
So these little patches andthey're actually a very
sophisticated piece oftechnology that is patented
They've been designed and youstick them on your body.
So it's got sticky on it andI've got one on my arm today,
and they're actually stem cellreactivation patches.

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So they actually use yourbody's own infrared light that
we emit to reflect.
So each living thing emitsinfrared light and hence why,
when people put on night visionglasses, they actually see.
You know, the little blueimages, the little red images

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and stuff like that.
So how these patches work isthey have a painted crystalline
structure and they havedifferent types.
This one is their flagship,which is called X39.
And it actually reflects thecrystals, reflect the light back
into your body, hits your skincells, sends a message to your
brain and does all sorts ofscience-y stuff that I'm not

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really that up with, because tome details don't matter, it's
the results that matter for me.
And since I've been wearing them, what I have noticed is that
foundational priority of healinghappened in my body.
I just noticed, bit by bit bybit, changes in my body.
I noticed that I wasn't astired as what I normally was.

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I was sleeping, I I wasstarting to sleep, you know so
much better because I wasactually having a lot of
menopause and post-menopausesymptoms.
I didn't have the energy tokeep up with the grandkids.
I was waking up like three orfour times a night to pee and
gradually that went down to liketwo nights, you know, two times

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a night, down to one night overa period of time.
And they recommend that you wearthem for depending on how long
you've been on the planet.
For every 10 years you've beenon the planet, you wear them for
a month till all your stemcells are actually reactivated.
Because by age 30, 50% of ourstem cells are actually dormant.

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By age 60, and I'm 59, if youremember then only about 10% of
your stem cells are actuallyactive.
And the beauty of the stemcells is they actually become
whatever cell, like they're thehero cells in the body.
So whatever, if you need a gutcell repaired, they'll do they
become that.
If you need a brain cell, askin, do they become that.

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If you need a brain cell, askin cell, a muscle cell, a
nerve cell, they're theregenerative parts of your body.
So pretty important and hencewhy we age.
And so when she introduced meto these talk about big piece of
the puzzle, come on board.
I have not had one flare up, oneissue around my gut.
I have been able to sustain mywellness and I can actually even

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eat gluten now.
I don't do gluten because I geta whole lot of symptoms that go
off in my body.
But if I'm glutened by accidentor even on purpose because
sometimes I do that just to testto see what my body does I'm
actually okay and before I wouldhave a full up flare, you know

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diarrhea, all sorts of stuffgoing on my eyes get sensitive
to light.
I feel like I'm like walkingthrough porridge.
That stuff just doesn't evenhappen anymore.
I've cut myself with a knifelike I was chopping up stuff the
other day and seriously Ihacked through my fingernail.

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I haven't done that in years.
I was using a global knife, soa chef's knife, and I sliced
through my finger and my nailand within a week, seriously, it
had healed.
So we're like three weeks inand you can't even tell that I
did it.
I don't know if you know aboutcuts, but a knife cut is

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actually worse than a scrape ora scratch, because it's clean
edges and they're harder to heal.
So I've had amazing results.
So if people are interested inthat, I'm more than happy to
hook them up with that.
So, and we talk about pieces ofthe puzzles and strategies.
It's yoga, it's eating.
You know well, I don't drinkmuch anymore at all because I

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found out how bad that was foryour body.
I never used to drink that muchanyway, but I do like an
occasional espresso martini.
If you want to shout me nexttime we're together, fee, I
stopped drinking 30 years ago.

Fiona Kane (01:00:09):
Hey, yeah, I stopped drinking 30 years ago.
My body stopped me.
That was a big.
My body stopped me.
My body said no more, I wouldgo from.
I went from being a big drinkerto being one drink would make
me violently ill within about 20minutes and I'd be violently
ill for three days.

Karina Hogan (01:00:29):
Wow, that's a big brick, isn't it?
It is yes.

Fiona Kane (01:00:34):
Yes, I always joke and say it was like my guardian
angel came and smacked me upsidethe head and said stop it
because, I wasn't drinking in ahealthy way, by any means either
.

Karina Hogan (01:00:44):
So, it's good that nobody stopped me yeah, maybe
that was it, Because people sayoh, you're so well you stopped,
you know.

Fiona Kane (01:00:49):
you're so like, how did you do it?
And I'm like it wasn't thatDon't do it, don't do it.
Don't do it Because, afterhaving that experience twice, I
didn't want to do that again.
So I was like, okay, it wasn'treally a choice, so it was good.
My body didn't give me a choice.
It just said you're not doingthat, we're not doing that.

Karina Hogan (01:01:05):
Stop it.
It can so relate.
And it was that like if I hadone at lunchtime I was okay, but
if I had a drink around about 5o'clock or something like that,
I'd wake up at like 2 o'clockin the morning and then I saw
where the pattern was and I wentoh, that's a little bit, that's
not working for me.
So I just stopped because itwasn't that big of a deal.

Fiona Kane (01:01:28):
People don't realize that with alcohol it might put
you to sleep, but it actuallydoes wake you up a few hours
later.

Karina Hogan (01:01:34):
Yeah, because your body's trying to detox it,
because that's what it does.

Fiona Kane (01:01:37):
Yeah, it's when your liver's doing all this
detoxification.

Karina Hogan (01:01:39):
So many pieces of the puzzle.
The body is amazing.
It has that wisdom or thatinternal ski guide, if you may?
Yeah, and you know like thepayoff for listening.
You know the benefits oflistening to your body are huge.

Fiona Kane (01:01:52):
You know, we have this innate guidance system.

Karina Hogan (01:01:55):
That's there.
It gives us red flags.
Sometimes we don't listen, andthere's consequences for that,
but it is easy to get back ontrack.
So don't listen, um, andthere's consequences for that,
but it is easy to get back ontrack.
So don't give up, folks.
If you're you know, you'vetried a lot of things and you
think, oh yeah, that'll work forkarina, but it won't work for
me, then yes, what if it did?
What if it did work for you?
What if one of the things Ispoke about was another piece to

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your healing journey puzzle?

Fiona Kane (01:02:19):
and um, to me that's the thing, those puzzle parts
you never know which is the andthat's the thing.
Those puzzle parts you neverknow which is the part that's
just going to connect with allthe other parts, and it's just
going to.
Sometimes the parts have allbeen put in but they're not
really connected to each otheryet.

Karina Hogan (01:02:31):
Yeah, that's right , and you've got to do that last
step and they connect andyou've got to sort out, you know
, the pieces of the puzzle tomake the jigsaw.
It's really interesting becausesome of the patches it's really
interesting with these.
Some people put one patch onand they get like they feel
instant stuff, and then otherslike me and I call myself the
drip feed.
It took me months and monthsand months to, you know, feel

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the benefit.
But I also knew that I had topatch consistently for six
months to activate.
So my body was doing that wholefinancial stuff sorry,
foundational priority of healing.
So it was probably healing alot of gut stuff.

Fiona Kane (01:03:08):
I'd had old injuries of you know, like frozen
shoulder and neck issues andthat's the thing we need to
remember that it took us often along time to get to where we
are now.
You know you start taking asupplement or you start doing
something and it doesn't work.
In five minutes You're like, oh, it doesn't work, so give your
body a little bit of time.

Karina Hogan (01:03:27):
And part of, I think part of traditional
medicine is to blame there,because people, if they get on a
script and they, you know theystart taking a script.
If they don't get a result in aday, they don't go.
Oh, oh, it didn't work so I'mnot going to take it anymore.
You've got to take it for atleast three months sometime to

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see some results.
And if you start doing yoga inthe morning to ground your
energy and to get theflexibility and the energy and
stuff in your body, you're notgoing to get the results
overnight, people, but you do itconsistently.
I've been doing it nowconsistently for two years and
wow, it's amazing.

Fiona Kane (01:04:06):
What was that TV commercial?
It won't happen overnight, butit will happen.
Yeah, that the TV commercialfor shampoo two or 30 years ago.

Karina Hogan (01:04:15):
Yeah, yeah, Rachel Hunter I think.

Fiona Kane (01:04:19):
Anyway, look, I'm super aware of time.
We've gone way over timebecause you and I can talk a lot
, and the only person I've metwho can talk more than me, I
think, might be you.
We both talk a lot, which isgreat.
There's always so much to talkabout.
But we do need to wind it upbecause I'm aware we've both got
other things to do thisafternoon.
But, look, thank you so muchfor coming on the podcast today.

(01:04:40):
I've really enjoyed having youon thank you for having me fee.
It's been a pleasure and I'llput details in the show notes of
how people can contact you.
Is there any particular way orare you just happy for me to put
your details there?
What would you like to tell mydetails?

Karina Hogan (01:04:55):
I'm more than happy to.
I love a chat and I loveconnecting.
I love to hear people's.
So if people just want to hitme up with a text message, I'm
more than happy for you to putmy mobile there.
They can send me an email.
I am on Facebook, you know,whatever works for you.
So I'm pretty flexible and, youknow, working three days a week

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, I will get back to youeventually.

Fiona Kane (01:05:22):
And thank you so much for giving your time, but
also just by sharing so openlyabout your experience and by the
strategies that you used, andreally you know what it comes
back to is uh, you know,listening to your body, learning
how to tune in, learning how tolisten to your body, because
there's a lot of wisdom there.

Karina Hogan (01:05:40):
Thanks, Faye.

Fiona Kane (01:05:42):
Well, thank you and look, thanks for everybody who's
watching and listening.
Please like, subscribe andshare, and, if you can go into
iTunes or Spotify or wherever,and also rate and review, I
would really appreciate that.
The point of this podcast is tohave real conversations about
things that matter.
So, thank you so much for thisweek and I'll talk to you all

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again next week.
Thank you, bye bye.