April 29, 2025 • 29 mins
What Parents Should Know About Netflix's Adolescence - This powerful drama series opens up urgent conversations about the dangers facing kids online today. In this episode, I break down what every parent needs to understand about how social media, smartphones, influencers like Andrew Tate, and online predators are reshaping childhood in troubling ways.
We’ll explore:
• How kids are exposed to explicit content before age 10
• The rise of 24/7 cyberbullying
• The tactics predators use to manipulate and extort children
• Why many boys feel confused about masculinity
• How social media promotes toxic values
• Why teens are struggling with purpose and identity
• The importance of having honest conversations before kids look elsewhere for answers
🎧 If you’re a parent navigating the digital age, this episode is for you.
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Fiona Kane (00:01):
Hello and welcome to the Wellness Connection Podcast
with Fiona Kane.
Today I'm actually going to betalking about well, I'm
referring to a TV series calledAdolescence, but I'm actually
going to be talking aboutchildren and what they're being
exposed to, what's affectingthem and what I think is causing
a lot of the social problems inour society in regards to young
(00:23):
people and children lot of thesocial problems in our society
in regards to young people andchildren.
Adolescence particularlyfocuses it's a series on Netflix
and it focuses on a young boywho's 13 who is charged with
murdering a young girl who's asimilar age, like a friend from
school or an acquaintance fromschool.
But this is kind of bigger thanthat.
(00:44):
But the interesting thing aboutthis tv show is it has created
a discussion, which I think isreally, really important.
The acting is phenomenal aswell.
It's worth watching it just tosee those actors, and I do think
it has created a really gooddiscussion.
So I want to discuss a littlebit from that, but then just go
even a little bit further now.
Some of this, you, some of thishealth and society and culture,
(01:07):
and even a bit of politics theyall kind of cross over somewhat
, so this probably will bestretching a little bit into
some of those categories as well, because it's sort of all part
of it, but I think that if we'renot talking about what's going
on for the kids today, it'simportant to talk about those
things, and that does.
Unfortunately, that meanscrossing over into lots of
different categories ofdiscussion.
(01:28):
However, I think it'sworthwhile, and you will get as
I start talking about this also,I do have some guests booked to
talk about some of these topicsas well, so it won't just be me
going on about it.
Anyway, so, referring back toAdolescence, like I said, it's a
four-part series on Netflix and, yes, it's revolving around
(01:50):
this child doing this horrificknife crime, and the focus of
the series is not so much if hedid it because we know he did it
right from the first episode itis more why did he do it, what
happened?
And so I just wanted to talk tosome of the things that I think
are behind this and underneaththis and what they uncovered.
(02:14):
Obviously, spoiler alert if youhaven't seen it yet, you
probably want to see it now atthis point, just saying because
I am going to be talking a bitabout what goes on in the series
.
So what ultimately happens isthey uncover what's going on for
some of the boys at thisparticular school, and these
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boys are being exposed to someonline influencers who are
talking to them about how todeal with girls and how to get
girls this sort of stuff andessentially, these online
influencers pretty much tell thekids that you know you've got
no hope of getting a girl.
They tell them there's an 80-20rule 80% of girls want 20% of
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boys, so you've got no chanceand so the only way you can
really get a girl is to trickher into being your girlfriend
or wanting to be with you.
So it's pretty messed up, butthis is the kind of stuff that
some of these online chat groupsand online influencers teach.
One of those online influencersthat they talk about is Andrew
Tate, and he's mentioned a fewtimes in this series and he's
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one of the people who teachessome of this stuff.
Sometimes, when you hear AndrewTate talk, he does sometimes
diagnose some of the issuesgoing on with the world quite
well, but his answer to them isnot, in my opinion, not healthy.
I get really annoyed by theterm toxic masculinity, but he
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actually, if you want to seewhat that looks like, he's an
example of when it is toxic, inmy opinion, in his attitude
towards women.
So he's one of the people thatthey're going to and learning
from.
Now this group of boys isactually.
There's a label for them now aswell.
They're called incels, andincels is involuntary celibate.
(04:09):
So essentially, back in my day,they would have been the kids
that would have been thought ofas being losers or no hopers, or
the ones who were consideredunattractive and unable to get a
girl, that kind of thing.
So this is the current name forthis group of people, but it's
sort of because there's a wholeonline community now, there's a
whole online community aroundthis and because there's so much
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online porn and that kind ofthing these days, there's a lot
of these young men who they seea lot of this porn.
Well, young men and young women.
Actually.
That's one of the issues hereas well.
In my experience and my beliefis that, because these young
people are seeing a whole lot ofporn, apparently before the age
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of 10, most of them have seenstuff that would make a toes
curl.
For most of us, even though wemight have seen some things when
we were younger, it was nothinglike what these kids are seeing
things.
When we were younger it wasnothing like what these kids are
seeing and that you know.
I think that that for for boys,I think it messes up their idea
of what sex is and whatrelationships are and and, um
(05:14):
and what, what a sexualrelationship is supposed to be
and what girls want, need,whatever.
Uh, it also gives them acompletely unrealistic idea of
what that involves.
But also from the other side ofthings, I think for girls, it
frightens them and I don't blamethem for it being frightening
for them.
And I think actually itfrightens boys and girls because
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it's also they see it at such ayoung age, before they're even
ready to even think about thatstuff, and they see stuff that's
so hardcore that they just getreally, really messed up ideas
about that and I saw that withone of the.
You know, if you haven't alreadyfigured this out, you might not
want to be listening to this infront of your children.
It's up to you.
You might want to listen to itfirst, but they figured it out
(05:59):
in sorry.
I heard it talked about with ayoung singer.
I can't think of her name now,but there's a young singer who's
about 17 or so, a female singerwho actually said that she
thought that it was normalduring sex to be strangled.
Basically, she thought that wasa normal thing and she was
allowing that because shethought that that's what men,
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what boys wanted, what menwanted, whatever.
And so it shows you the level ofstuff that these kids are being
exposed to and what they thinkof as normal.
So it's no wonder that they'reso frightened off by it all.
I don't blame them, and forthis reason, boys and girls are
often quite frightened of eachother, actually, and it's sort
of become a bit of an us andthem with the boys and girls.
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So, anyway, they're beingexposed to stuff that's really
dodgy, like that.
They've got these chat groupsthat tell them they've got no
hope, and the only way they gethope is by, you know, just
telling the woman how it is, oror getting them when they're
down and and so in there in thisuh show.
Ultimately it was a child.
Um, some photos have beenpassed around of the girl at
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school, uh, semi-naked, and soshe was picked on a lot, and so
he went and asked her out thenbecause he thought, well, I'll
get her while she's down whennobody wants her.
So that's, this is messed upidea of, and that is the sort of
thing I know that they aretalking about and teaching
apparently in some of thesegroups, these young men's groups
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.
That's just really really nothealthy.
So of course that is really badand that's really unhealthy.
But I'm going to just talk aboutsome of the other things that I
think are going on and why Ithink we shouldn't just be
targeting the incels or theAndrew Taits of the world.
That's part of the issue and Iunderstand that and I totally
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behind looking at that.
But it's also looking at whyare boys attracted to Andrew
Tate in the first place?
What's going on?
Because the fix is like, oh,we've just got to teach men to
be more feminine and more kindand blah, blah, blah and not
like Andrew Tate, and I thinkactually it's some of that stuff
that's made them like AndrewTate.
So I'll explain a little bitmore as I go along so you'll
(08:05):
understand what I'm talkingabout.
So let me just where was I upto?
Oh yeah, like the other issuetoo with kids today is the
bullying aspect, because theyall carry smartphones at such a
young age.
Jonathan Haidt has written agreat book on this, so it is
worth following up.
His book.
Uh, I think it's called theanxious generation and um,
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height is like h-a-i-d-t.
Something along those lines.
Uh, you'll find it prettyeasily if you go looking for it.
He's done some great workaround this.
But these kids are using devicesand these they're they.
You know, once upon a time youget bullied at school, but you
got a break when you got home.
But now that's 24, 7, right,because they're all in these
chat rooms and things, uh and um, and bullying each other
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constantly.
And there's a whole thing nowwhere kids are being targeted
and they're being targetedbesides the fact that they've
always been targeted and there'salways been predators, there's
predators who pretend that theyare like, for example okay, so a
young boy will get a text fromsomeone he thinks, or message or
some sort of message, anymessage from someone who they
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think is a young girl.
The young girl will send himnudes and of herself, well, of
what he thinks is a young girland it's her.
But it's not.
It's some random pictures.
That's not this person, becausethe person would usually be a
man, and what they do is theysay oh, I've sent you mine, now
you send me yours, so then theboy will take photos of himself,
send that to what he thinks isthe girl, and then what happens
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is he is extorted over thesephotos.
So they ask for money or theyask for sex, and many boys
around the world are actuallyending their lives over this.
This is a huge issue.
So there's a lot of issuesgoing on with kids having phones
and having basically the worldhaving access to them and them
having access to the world.
So I think all of these issuesplay into this kind of dynamic
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for young people, for young boysand girls.
So it's not as simple as justsaying you know, we need to
teach boys to be kind.
I think there's more going onhere.
We do consider that childrenare safe in their bedrooms and,
of course, based on all thethings I just told you, that's a
big question mark in this film,just showing that it's not
enough now for parents to say,oh, I don't understand all of
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this electronic stuff and allthis online stuff.
If your kids are doing it, youneed to understand it,
unfortunately, but it's just howit is.
So what I think is behind thisas well is that I think there is
a hateful brand of feminismthat's been going around and
getting, I think, more extremein the last few years, and it
really is where we do label allmasculinity as toxic.
(10:40):
You know, and we see we divide.
You know a lot of what well, wedivide.
You know a lot of what well,not me, but a lot of.
What this group of feminists uhdo is, uh, they divide men into
two categories.
You're either a bully or you'rea soy boy, and no one wants to
be a bully.
But who wants to be a soy boy,right, but that's the two
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categories.
So either really super soft orum, or a bully.
There's just no in between, andthat's just such a ridiculous
idea of what masculinity is.
There's masculinity is so muchmore than that which I will go
into, uh, so there's that sortof attitude.
There's also, what is happeningis, um, is, and this is a lot,
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this is where it gets, I suppose, somewhat political um, but
there's a there's kind of a farleft ideology that has sort of
gained a lot, a lot of momentumand it's controlling a lot of
our education systems and a lotof our political systems, and
this is the really hateful brandof feminism.
And this hateful brand offeminism considers that marriage
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is toxic and patriarchalActually, not just marriage, but
it considers that everythingpretty much we have going on in
the Western world today is allcolonialism and patriarchy and
white white supremacy andhateful and whatever.
They want to tear the wholething down because it's all bad
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and destroy the whole lotbecause it's all terrible and
bad.
When you could just look at thesituation and go there have
been some terrible and badthings that have happened in our
societies, but overall, why isthe rest of the world trying to
come to Australia and Americaand England?
They're trying to come to theseplaces because they are the
better.
They're better than the otherplaces.
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Otherwise, why are they tryingto come?
They're trying to come tosocieties that are freer, where
they've got more opportunitiesand all of that kind of thing,
and that's just the reality ofit.
Right, and have our societiesgot things wrong?
Yes, is there some issuesaround capitalism?
Yes, is there some challengesaround our societies?
Absolutely.
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Have we done some bad things inthe past?
Yes, yes, all of that true, butwhat these people want to do is
they want to throw the baby outwith the bath water.
So they want to throw out allthe good with the bad and
instead of saying well, you knowwhat?
We've come a long way and we'vefigured out that it's really
not nice or not helpful to bebigots towards other races or
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other sexualities or whatever,and it's good to treat women and
men equally.
They're not equal as in.
They're not equal in theirabilities.
We're just different, right,but just equal, as in.
All human beings are equal,right.
So equal human beings, but justdifferent.
Different but equal.
And so we figured a lot of thatstuff out.
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But now we've figured a lot ofthat stuff out, apparently they
want to throw it all out.
It's all bad, it's all wrong.
And so, if you think about inthe Western world, what's
happening now is young men arebeing told if you're white, you
are bad.
If you are masculine, you arebad If you are what they call
cis, which is like your sexmatches your body.
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So if you're a boy and youreally are a boy, that's called
I don't go with the language,but they call it cis.
And if you're heterosexual, andif you are, so they call it
they'll call it like white, cis,heteronormative, right, and
that's meant as an insult.
And essentially that meansyou're just a white boy who's
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attracted to women and who'scomfortable in their own body,
or who just recognizes that theyare a boy, right, that's it,
that's all it means.
And you happen to be white,right, but all of that is a
negative thing.
Now, and and apparently thewhole world is we're all being
pushed down by the patriarchy,and all these boys have been
part of it.
And these boys, they'reactually in classrooms now.
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I've heard this happening inAustralia.
In the US, boys are being askedto get up and apologize to the
rest of the class for theirwhiteness, their heterosexuality
, their boyness, theirmasculinity, their patriarchy,
whatever right, boys haven'tbeen involved in any of this,
and so they're actually, ratherthan bringing them up to be
proud of who they are which theyshould be proud of, who they
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are the same as anyone elseshould be proud, not over or
more than anyone else, but theyshould be allowed to be proud of
who they are we're bringingthem up to be shameful and being
told that they're wrong and badin every way and they're evil
and their evil masculinity isgoing to destroy the world.
So, whatever they do, they'vegot to push that down.
I can see why they're attractedto people like Andrew Tate,
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because Andrew Tate says youknow you're being, you know,
lied to and you know you shouldstand up for yourself.
I get why they're attracted tothat.
I don't like his brand of this,but I understand why boys want
to go there.
So, instead of like hating onthe boys who are attracted to
Andrew Tate, how aboutunderstand why?
Why are they being drawn to him?
What messages are they beingtold that leads them to that
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place?
Now I was listening to aninterview with Jordan Peterson
and Megyn Kelly the other day onMegyn Kelly's show, the Megyn
Kelly Show and if you'relistening to this at a later
date it was in March 2025, youcan go looking for it.
So all the usual places and hewas actually talking about this
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and he was saying I'm justlooking for my notes, but he was
saying that Andrew Tate, heteaches them.
Well, he's actually like a richplayboy right in show-off and
he's quite misogynistic in hisattitude towards women and
misogynistic in the real as in.
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Quite hateful, I think the wayhe treats women as opposed to
the women that try and callevery man misogynistic, which is
, again, they overuse words andthey become meaningless.
But I think his attitudetowards women is pretty nasty
and the way Jordan described it.
He said like men who havenothing.
Well, why don't they wantsomething?
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And if Andrew Tate can offerthem something, you can see why
they're attracted.
Described it, he said like menwho have nothing.
Well, why don't they wantsomething?
And if Andrew Tate can offerthem something, you can see why
they're attracted to it.
Because there's a lot of menwho feel like they have nothing
now.
And they feel like they havenothing because one all the
stuff I just told you, that theyare told about the world but
they don't have any vision, orthey don't have any vision of
what masculinity is.
They don't have role models andthey are told that getting
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married is a terriblepatriarchal thing that just
destroys women, which is nottrue.
There can be marriages that arereally awful, but that's not
given for all marriages.
It's not like all marriage is ahorrible patriarchal
institution.
No, marriages can be bad andthey can be good, full stop
right Now.
Historically, there might havebeen issues with marriage in
some places.
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Well, there still is in someplaces in the world, but in the
Western world that's not thecase.
Marriages can be a wonderfulthing, and I personally believe
they are a wonderful thing, andif more people can actually be
married and find a partner andsettle down and do something
constructive with their lives,they'll be a lot happier and
they'll do a lot better.
Because we do know when we lookat studies that people, when
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you have someone has your back,it makes a big difference in
your life.
Right, it doesn't mean peoplecan't make other choices, but
just if the majority of peoplewere able to do this, I think
people would be a lot happierpersonally, but anyway.
So what he's he talks about isthe fact that's happened now is
this kind of again, this leftpolitics, this extreme left
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politics, has become quitepathologically feminine and
toxically feminine, in a waythat we're devouring the young
men.
And it's weird because a lot ofthese people don't actually
believe that there really isevil and bad in the world.
They think evil and bad is likesomeone like Jordan Peterson
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and then people who actually areraping and killing women and
stuff.
They let them out of prison andsay that they're victims and so
don't pick on them becausethey're really nice people.
So they've got a real messed upidea about what is bad and
what's not bad and this is sortof a really toxic form of
femininity.
That is actually like asuicidal empathy, where we have
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so much empathy for people thatwe're actually harming ourselves
by being so empathetic towardspeople that don't deserve
empathy.
So there's this weird dynamicin the world at the moment where
girls are being given thismessage that marriage is a bad
thing, that they don't want partof Having children and having
babies is terrible because ittakes you away from your fun
loving life and, of course,they're not having children or
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they're not having childrenuntil later and then they're
having trouble having children.
Many are not able to and youknow there are some people that
don't end up having children andI was one of those people and
part of it was choice and partof it was not, because even if I
chose to, I don't know that itwas probably wasn't likely that
it was going to happen.
So maybe I made the choice,made the call, because I didn't
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think it was going to happenanyway.
But you know, you think thatyou're going to be happy without
children.
But yeah, I'm not saying I'munhappy, but I think, put it
this way, I think most womenwould regret not having children
and they do give you some formof meaning.
So if you don't have children,you really want to find some
sort of meaning in your life,and that's what a lot of young
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people are missing out on Now.
What he was explaining, too, iswhat Jordan Peterson was
explaining.
You know, what they're toldthese days is and that's the
Andrew Tate thing is this it'slike all about don't worry about
responsibility and sort of behedonistic and just do your own
thing, and this actually createsreally weak men, and really
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weak men are the ones that aredangerous.
Really weak men are the oneswho use that kind of that
performative masculinity notreal masculinity, but the
performative kind that look atme and I'm tough, and there are
other kind of guys that pusharound women and that kind of
thing.
So he was sort of saying thatyou know, we find meaning in
that voluntary adoption ofresponsibility.
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So instead of being told thatyou know you're not going to get
married and have children anddo any of those things and
you're not going to be anybodyand so boys have no purpose,
generally speaking, historically, you kind of pair up by the
time you were 25, you would bemarried and have a job and you'd
have responsibilities, andthat's actually a really good
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thing for most people, as longas it's the right marriage,
right, but that's a good thing,because you do get meaning from
having purpose, from having aresponsibility.
So it's actually kind of it's aweird thing that we don't
understand.
But being free and easy andbeing able to do whatever you
like is fun, but then it's notfulfilling and ultimately we
don't feel good about ourselvesif that's what our lives look
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like forever.
So it's actually kind of youknow, sacrificial responsibility
is what actually gives meaningto your life and that's what
sort of marriage and havingchildren or just doing something
.
It might not be having children, you know, in my case it's like
it's caring for parents,whatever it looks like, but
caring for other people.
That sacrificial responsibilityis actually really good for you
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in whatever form, that you knowthat it might show up for you
in your life or that you're ableto do it.
So not shaming people who can'thave children I'm one of them
but if you can, I think mostpeople benefit.
Most people seem to benefitfrom it.
It's a good thing.
It's a good thing for them.
The other thing is, too, isthat with these young people,
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because they're being told thatmarriage is an oppressive,
patriarchal institution, they'renot getting married, they're
not having children, so they'renot doing things that have any
meaning.
So they're still sort ofplaying games in the basement of
their mum's house when they'rein their 30s.
And that's when they really dobecome these incels and they
sort of more likelihood thatthey're not ever going to get
married and they're kind ofaddicted to this porn sort of
stuff and they don't know how todeal with real people.
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And so you've got this issue onboth sides, where the women
aren't finding the right men,because they do.
Most women do want men who are,you know, powerful, and I don't
mean powerful in a misogynistic, harmful way, but powerful in,
you know, someone who's actuallygoing to take control.
I don't mean tell you what todo to take control, I mean
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someone who's got themselvessorted.
I mean someone who's actuallygoing to take control.
I don't mean tell you what todo to take control.
I mean someone who's gotthemselves sorted.
I mean someone who's groundedand someone who takes
responsibility and wants to bepart of something and grow
something.
That's what I mean.
But most women do want that, dowant a good man who can be
protective when need be, and sothat's men's traditional role
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and that's not a bad thing.
And so because we're being toldthese sort of silly ideas about
, uh, about what women, whatmakes men and women happy?
I think we're missing out a lotbecause, uh, you know that it's
becoming an us against themthing with men and women, and it
seems to be again.
It's like oh well, if you know,for women to have rights, men
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can't have them, or for men tohave rights that taken from
women, and why can't we worktogether?
And again, the equality thing Iwas talking about before of
course we're equal, but we aredifferent as well, which is
great.
So there are qualities that Ihave that my husband doesn't.
There's qualities that he hasthat I don't, and so we're not.
We're not equal in strength,we're just not.
Some women would be, and that'sfine as well.
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There's all differentvariations, but you know, we're
not equal in strength.
But I, you know, I'm better atsome other things than what he
is.
I'm better at some of thisstuff than what he is, and he's
a whole lot better at beingpractical and doing practical
things and building things andmaking things and fixing things
than I will ever be.
Now, that's not exactly thesame, like I said, for every
male and female, but yeah, sowe're equal, but different.
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We don't have to be equal,equal exactly the same.
We're equal, but different.
We've got different strengthsand that's fantastic and that's
actually what makes it work,because we complement each other
, and so I think there's moregoing on for these kids.
And then, if you add on top ofthat things like I talked about
before, responsibilities thatkids shouldn't have, like being
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told that there's a climateemergency and the world's about
to end and adults don't care andso they're not going to have a
future, if you tell kids thiskind of stuff and you burden
them with all of this adultresponsibility, you give them
all these confusing ideas aboutwhat sex and relationships are
and what masculinity is, andthen wonder why they're confused
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and they can't figure it outand why they act out so um.
So these are sort of like someof the things I don't want to go
on, because they'll go onforever.
And, like I said, I am havingdiscussions with some other
people about this topic to makeit a bit more interesting, to
get other perspectives.
But I just want you to sort ofthink about the fact that there
are when people tell you oh,it's just about the android
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hates of the world, it's not theandroctates of the world,
although that is something we doneed to have a concern about.
But the concern should be well,why are the boys attracted to
androctates of the world?
What's going on?
What's going on with girls andwhat's going on with boys?
What are they being exposed toand um, and where do they need
our support and where do theyneed our help and what can we do
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to to change this and to changethe narrative and to not let
this and I'm not saying left isall wrong or right is all right
or any of that sort of stuff,but there's just this weird far
left thing.
That's that's going on um,there's wokeism, really, that's
um, that's poisoned a lot in ourworld today.
In my opinion, and I thinkthat's why the kids are all so
confused, and don't even get mestarted on on telling them that
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they could be any gender theylike or actively asking children
in classrooms whether or notthey think they're in the right
body, introducing that kind ofconfusion for children.
There's no purpose for thatexcept to damage children.
Yep, help children who aregender confused or have those
issues if and when they need it,and it would be in the very
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minority if you didn't introducethem to it.
But what's happening now iswe're actively introducing
children to all this confusingstuff so that we can
deliberately confuse them and sothat we can take advantage of
them Not me or not youpersonally, but there are people
who are taking advantage ofchildren and using this as a way
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to do that.
I've talked about some of thisin other episodes.
You can listen to that there.
But essentially we are teachingchildren things that aren't
true.
We are confusing them,unneedingly confusing them.
They are exposed to theinternet and the world at a very
young age and there's only somuch you can do to control that,
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but you can at least controlsome of it, and there are
conversations that need to behappening in families so we
understand what children areexposed to and we have
conversations with them aboutthese ideologies and about the
things they're exposed to onlinebefore they start getting
advice from people like AndrewTate.
Anyway, that's my little rantfor today, sorry, but I just
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think it's an important topicand I will, like I said, be
talking to other people on thistopic of how we can help the
kids, because the main thing islike I don't mean to depress
people, but you need tounderstand.
Sometimes you need a diagnosis,you need a bit bit of that's my
little exploration of some ofthe things that are going on
that I think are leading tothese issues can't fix it if we
can't acknowledge what'shappening.
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And to acknowledge what'shappening, sometimes we might
need to say things that mightcome off as being a bit
offensive or scary or whatever,but my intention is to I hope,
like I want these issuesresolved and we have to talk
about them if we're going to dothat, and, as I've said before,
this podcast is about havingreal conversations about things
that matter.
So please like, subscribe,share, comment, give feedback,
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rate, review all those things.
I really appreciate your timeand I really appreciate your
support.
Thank you and I'll see you allnext week.
Thanks, bye.
Hello and welcome to the Wellness Connection Podcast
with Fiona Kane.
Today I'm actually going to betalking about well, I'm
referring to a TV series calledAdolescence, but I'm actually
going to be talking aboutchildren and what they're being
exposed to, what's affectingthem and what I think is causing
a lot of the social problems inour society in regards to young
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people and children lot of thesocial problems in our society
in regards to young people andchildren.
Adolescence particularlyfocuses it's a series on Netflix
and it focuses on a young boywho's 13 who is charged with
murdering a young girl who's asimilar age, like a friend from
school or an acquaintance fromschool.
But this is kind of bigger thanthat.
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But the interesting thing aboutthis tv show is it has created
a discussion, which I think isreally, really important.
The acting is phenomenal aswell.
It's worth watching it just tosee those actors, and I do think
it has created a really gooddiscussion.
So I want to discuss a littlebit from that, but then just go
even a little bit further now.
Some of this, you, some of thishealth and society and culture,
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and even a bit of politics theyall kind of cross over somewhat
, so this probably will bestretching a little bit into
some of those categories as well, because it's sort of all part
of it, but I think that if we'renot talking about what's going
on for the kids today, it'simportant to talk about those
things, and that does.
Unfortunately, that meanscrossing over into lots of
different categories ofdiscussion.
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However, I think it'sworthwhile, and you will get as
I start talking about this also,I do have some guests booked to
talk about some of these topicsas well, so it won't just be me
going on about it.
Anyway, so, referring back toAdolescence, like I said, it's a
four-part series on Netflix and, yes, it's revolving around
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this child doing this horrificknife crime, and the focus of
the series is not so much if hedid it because we know he did it
right from the first episode itis more why did he do it, what
happened?
And so I just wanted to talk tosome of the things that I think
are behind this and underneaththis and what they uncovered.
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Obviously, spoiler alert if youhaven't seen it yet, you
probably want to see it now atthis point, just saying because
I am going to be talking a bitabout what goes on in the series
.
So what ultimately happens isthey uncover what's going on for
some of the boys at thisparticular school, and these
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boys are being exposed to someonline influencers who are
talking to them about how todeal with girls and how to get
girls this sort of stuff andessentially, these online
influencers pretty much tell thekids that you know you've got
no hope of getting a girl.
They tell them there's an 80-20rule 80% of girls want 20% of
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boys, so you've got no chanceand so the only way you can
really get a girl is to trickher into being your girlfriend
or wanting to be with you.
So it's pretty messed up, butthis is the kind of stuff that
some of these online chat groupsand online influencers teach.
One of those online influencersthat they talk about is Andrew
Tate, and he's mentioned a fewtimes in this series and he's
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one of the people who teachessome of this stuff.
Sometimes, when you hear AndrewTate talk, he does sometimes
diagnose some of the issuesgoing on with the world quite
well, but his answer to them isnot, in my opinion, not healthy.
I get really annoyed by theterm toxic masculinity, but he
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actually, if you want to seewhat that looks like, he's an
example of when it is toxic, inmy opinion, in his attitude
towards women.
So he's one of the people thatthey're going to and learning
from.
Now this group of boys isactually.
There's a label for them now aswell.
They're called incels, andincels is involuntary celibate.
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So essentially, back in my day,they would have been the kids
that would have been thought ofas being losers or no hopers, or
the ones who were consideredunattractive and unable to get a
girl, that kind of thing.
So this is the current name forthis group of people, but it's
sort of because there's a wholeonline community now, there's a
whole online community aroundthis and because there's so much
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online porn and that kind ofthing these days, there's a lot
of these young men who they seea lot of this porn.
Well, young men and young women.
Actually.
That's one of the issues hereas well.
In my experience and my beliefis that, because these young
people are seeing a whole lot ofporn, apparently before the age
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of 10, most of them have seenstuff that would make a toes
curl.
For most of us, even though wemight have seen some things when
we were younger, it was nothinglike what these kids are seeing
things.
When we were younger it wasnothing like what these kids are
seeing and that you know.
I think that that for for boys,I think it messes up their idea
of what sex is and whatrelationships are and and, um
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and what, what a sexualrelationship is supposed to be
and what girls want, need,whatever.
Uh, it also gives them acompletely unrealistic idea of
what that involves.
But also from the other side ofthings, I think for girls, it
frightens them and I don't blamethem for it being frightening
for them.
And I think actually itfrightens boys and girls because
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it's also they see it at such ayoung age, before they're even
ready to even think about thatstuff, and they see stuff that's
so hardcore that they just getreally, really messed up ideas
about that and I saw that withone of the.
You know, if you haven't alreadyfigured this out, you might not
want to be listening to this infront of your children.
It's up to you.
You might want to listen to itfirst, but they figured it out
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in sorry.
I heard it talked about with ayoung singer.
I can't think of her name now,but there's a young singer who's
about 17 or so, a female singerwho actually said that she
thought that it was normalduring sex to be strangled.
Basically, she thought that wasa normal thing and she was
allowing that because shethought that that's what men,
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what boys wanted, what menwanted, whatever.
And so it shows you the level ofstuff that these kids are being
exposed to and what they thinkof as normal.
So it's no wonder that they'reso frightened off by it all.
I don't blame them, and forthis reason, boys and girls are
often quite frightened of eachother, actually, and it's sort
of become a bit of an us andthem with the boys and girls.
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So, anyway, they're beingexposed to stuff that's really
dodgy, like that.
They've got these chat groupsthat tell them they've got no
hope, and the only way they gethope is by, you know, just
telling the woman how it is, oror getting them when they're
down and and so in there in thisuh show.
Ultimately it was a child.
Um, some photos have beenpassed around of the girl at
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school, uh, semi-naked, and soshe was picked on a lot, and so
he went and asked her out thenbecause he thought, well, I'll
get her while she's down whennobody wants her.
So that's, this is messed upidea of, and that is the sort of
thing I know that they aretalking about and teaching
apparently in some of thesegroups, these young men's groups
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.
That's just really really nothealthy.
So of course that is really badand that's really unhealthy.
But I'm going to just talk aboutsome of the other things that I
think are going on and why Ithink we shouldn't just be
targeting the incels or theAndrew Taits of the world.
That's part of the issue and Iunderstand that and I totally
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behind looking at that.
But it's also looking at whyare boys attracted to Andrew
Tate in the first place?
What's going on?
Because the fix is like, oh,we've just got to teach men to
be more feminine and more kindand blah, blah, blah and not
like Andrew Tate, and I thinkactually it's some of that stuff
that's made them like AndrewTate.
So I'll explain a little bitmore as I go along so you'll
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understand what I'm talkingabout.
So let me just where was I upto?
Oh yeah, like the other issuetoo with kids today is the
bullying aspect, because theyall carry smartphones at such a
young age.
Jonathan Haidt has written agreat book on this, so it is
worth following up.
His book.
Uh, I think it's called theanxious generation and um,
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height is like h-a-i-d-t.
Something along those lines.
Uh, you'll find it prettyeasily if you go looking for it.
He's done some great workaround this.
But these kids are using devicesand these they're they.
You know, once upon a time youget bullied at school, but you
got a break when you got home.
But now that's 24, 7, right,because they're all in these
chat rooms and things, uh and um, and bullying each other
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constantly.
And there's a whole thing nowwhere kids are being targeted
and they're being targetedbesides the fact that they've
always been targeted and there'salways been predators, there's
predators who pretend that theyare like, for example okay, so a
young boy will get a text fromsomeone he thinks, or message or
some sort of message, anymessage from someone who they
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think is a young girl.
The young girl will send himnudes and of herself, well, of
what he thinks is a young girland it's her.
But it's not.
It's some random pictures.
That's not this person, becausethe person would usually be a
man, and what they do is theysay oh, I've sent you mine, now
you send me yours, so then theboy will take photos of himself,
send that to what he thinks isthe girl, and then what happens
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is he is extorted over thesephotos.
So they ask for money or theyask for sex, and many boys
around the world are actuallyending their lives over this.
This is a huge issue.
So there's a lot of issuesgoing on with kids having phones
and having basically the worldhaving access to them and them
having access to the world.
So I think all of these issuesplay into this kind of dynamic
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for young people, for young boysand girls.
So it's not as simple as justsaying you know, we need to
teach boys to be kind.
I think there's more going onhere.
We do consider that childrenare safe in their bedrooms and,
of course, based on all thethings I just told you, that's a
big question mark in this film,just showing that it's not
enough now for parents to say,oh, I don't understand all of
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this electronic stuff and allthis online stuff.
If your kids are doing it, youneed to understand it,
unfortunately, but it's just howit is.
So what I think is behind thisas well is that I think there is
a hateful brand of feminismthat's been going around and
getting, I think, more extremein the last few years, and it
really is where we do label allmasculinity as toxic.
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You know, and we see we divide.
You know a lot of what well, wedivide.
You know a lot of what well,not me, but a lot of.
What this group of feminists uhdo is, uh, they divide men into
two categories.
You're either a bully or you'rea soy boy, and no one wants to
be a bully.
But who wants to be a soy boy,right, but that's the two
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categories.
So either really super soft orum, or a bully.
There's just no in between, andthat's just such a ridiculous
idea of what masculinity is.
There's masculinity is so muchmore than that which I will go
into, uh, so there's that sortof attitude.
There's also, what is happeningis, um, is, and this is a lot,
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this is where it gets, I suppose, somewhat political um, but
there's a there's kind of a farleft ideology that has sort of
gained a lot, a lot of momentumand it's controlling a lot of
our education systems and a lotof our political systems, and
this is the really hateful brandof feminism.
And this hateful brand offeminism considers that marriage
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is toxic and patriarchalActually, not just marriage, but
it considers that everythingpretty much we have going on in
the Western world today is allcolonialism and patriarchy and
white white supremacy andhateful and whatever.
They want to tear the wholething down because it's all bad
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and destroy the whole lotbecause it's all terrible and
bad.
When you could just look at thesituation and go there have
been some terrible and badthings that have happened in our
societies, but overall, why isthe rest of the world trying to
come to Australia and Americaand England?
They're trying to come to theseplaces because they are the
better.
They're better than the otherplaces.
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Otherwise, why are they tryingto come?
They're trying to come tosocieties that are freer, where
they've got more opportunitiesand all of that kind of thing,
and that's just the reality ofit.
Right, and have our societiesgot things wrong?
Yes, is there some issuesaround capitalism?
Yes, is there some challengesaround our societies?
Absolutely.
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Have we done some bad things inthe past?
Yes, yes, all of that true, butwhat these people want to do is
they want to throw the baby outwith the bath water.
So they want to throw out allthe good with the bad and
instead of saying well, you knowwhat?
We've come a long way and we'vefigured out that it's really
not nice or not helpful to bebigots towards other races or
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other sexualities or whatever,and it's good to treat women and
men equally.
They're not equal as in.
They're not equal in theirabilities.
We're just different, right,but just equal, as in.
All human beings are equal,right.
So equal human beings, but justdifferent.
Different but equal.
And so we figured a lot of thatstuff out.
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But now we've figured a lot ofthat stuff out, apparently they
want to throw it all out.
It's all bad, it's all wrong.
And so, if you think about inthe Western world, what's
happening now is young men arebeing told if you're white, you
are bad.
If you are masculine, you arebad If you are what they call
cis, which is like your sexmatches your body.
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So if you're a boy and youreally are a boy, that's called
I don't go with the language,but they call it cis.
And if you're heterosexual, andif you are, so they call it
they'll call it like white, cis,heteronormative, right, and
that's meant as an insult.
And essentially that meansyou're just a white boy who's
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attracted to women and who'scomfortable in their own body,
or who just recognizes that theyare a boy, right, that's it,
that's all it means.
And you happen to be white,right, but all of that is a
negative thing.
Now, and and apparently thewhole world is we're all being
pushed down by the patriarchy,and all these boys have been
part of it.
And these boys, they'reactually in classrooms now.
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I've heard this happening inAustralia.
In the US, boys are being askedto get up and apologize to the
rest of the class for theirwhiteness, their heterosexuality
, their boyness, theirmasculinity, their patriarchy,
whatever right, boys haven'tbeen involved in any of this,
and so they're actually, ratherthan bringing them up to be
proud of who they are which theyshould be proud of, who they
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are the same as anyone elseshould be proud, not over or
more than anyone else, but theyshould be allowed to be proud of
who they are we're bringingthem up to be shameful and being
told that they're wrong and badin every way and they're evil
and their evil masculinity isgoing to destroy the world.
So, whatever they do, they'vegot to push that down.
I can see why they're attractedto people like Andrew Tate,
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because Andrew Tate says youknow you're being, you know,
lied to and you know you shouldstand up for yourself.
I get why they're attracted tothat.
I don't like his brand of this,but I understand why boys want
to go there.
So, instead of like hating onthe boys who are attracted to
Andrew Tate, how aboutunderstand why?
Why are they being drawn to him?
What messages are they beingtold that leads them to that
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place?
Now I was listening to aninterview with Jordan Peterson
and Megyn Kelly the other day onMegyn Kelly's show, the Megyn
Kelly Show and if you'relistening to this at a later
date it was in March 2025, youcan go looking for it.
So all the usual places and hewas actually talking about this
(16:05):
and he was saying I'm justlooking for my notes, but he was
saying that Andrew Tate, heteaches them.
Well, he's actually like a richplayboy right in show-off and
he's quite misogynistic in hisattitude towards women and
misogynistic in the real as in.
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Quite hateful, I think the wayhe treats women as opposed to
the women that try and callevery man misogynistic, which is
, again, they overuse words andthey become meaningless.
But I think his attitudetowards women is pretty nasty
and the way Jordan described it.
He said like men who havenothing.
Well, why don't they wantsomething?
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And if Andrew Tate can offerthem something, you can see why
they're attracted.
Described it, he said like menwho have nothing.
Well, why don't they wantsomething?
And if Andrew Tate can offerthem something, you can see why
they're attracted to it.
Because there's a lot of menwho feel like they have nothing
now.
And they feel like they havenothing because one all the
stuff I just told you, that theyare told about the world but
they don't have any vision, orthey don't have any vision of
what masculinity is.
They don't have role models andthey are told that getting
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married is a terriblepatriarchal thing that just
destroys women, which is nottrue.
There can be marriages that arereally awful, but that's not
given for all marriages.
It's not like all marriage is ahorrible patriarchal
institution.
No, marriages can be bad andthey can be good, full stop
right Now.
Historically, there might havebeen issues with marriage in
some places.
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Well, there still is in someplaces in the world, but in the
Western world that's not thecase.
Marriages can be a wonderfulthing, and I personally believe
they are a wonderful thing, andif more people can actually be
married and find a partner andsettle down and do something
constructive with their lives,they'll be a lot happier and
they'll do a lot better.
Because we do know when we lookat studies that people, when
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you have someone has your back,it makes a big difference in
your life.
Right, it doesn't mean peoplecan't make other choices, but
just if the majority of peoplewere able to do this, I think
people would be a lot happierpersonally, but anyway.
So what he's he talks about isthe fact that's happened now is
this kind of again, this leftpolitics, this extreme left
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politics, has become quitepathologically feminine and
toxically feminine, in a waythat we're devouring the young
men.
And it's weird because a lot ofthese people don't actually
believe that there really isevil and bad in the world.
They think evil and bad is likesomeone like Jordan Peterson
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and then people who actually areraping and killing women and
stuff.
They let them out of prison andsay that they're victims and so
don't pick on them becausethey're really nice people.
So they've got a real messed upidea about what is bad and
what's not bad and this is sortof a really toxic form of
femininity.
That is actually like asuicidal empathy, where we have
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so much empathy for people thatwe're actually harming ourselves
by being so empathetic towardspeople that don't deserve
empathy.
So there's this weird dynamicin the world at the moment where
girls are being given thismessage that marriage is a bad
thing, that they don't want partof Having children and having
babies is terrible because ittakes you away from your fun
loving life and, of course,they're not having children or
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they're not having childrenuntil later and then they're
having trouble having children.
Many are not able to and youknow there are some people that
don't end up having children andI was one of those people and
part of it was choice and partof it was not, because even if I
chose to, I don't know that itwas probably wasn't likely that
it was going to happen.
So maybe I made the choice,made the call, because I didn't
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think it was going to happenanyway.
But you know, you think thatyou're going to be happy without
children.
But yeah, I'm not saying I'munhappy, but I think, put it
this way, I think most womenwould regret not having children
and they do give you some formof meaning.
So if you don't have children,you really want to find some
sort of meaning in your life,and that's what a lot of young
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people are missing out on Now.
What he was explaining, too, iswhat Jordan Peterson was
explaining.
You know, what they're toldthese days is and that's the
Andrew Tate thing is this it'slike all about don't worry about
responsibility and sort of behedonistic and just do your own
thing, and this actually createsreally weak men, and really
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weak men are the ones that aredangerous.
Really weak men are the oneswho use that kind of that
performative masculinity notreal masculinity, but the
performative kind that look atme and I'm tough, and there are
other kind of guys that pusharound women and that kind of
thing.
So he was sort of saying thatyou know, we find meaning in
that voluntary adoption ofresponsibility.
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So instead of being told thatyou know you're not going to get
married and have children anddo any of those things and
you're not going to be anybodyand so boys have no purpose,
generally speaking, historically, you kind of pair up by the
time you were 25, you would bemarried and have a job and you'd
have responsibilities, andthat's actually a really good
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thing for most people, as longas it's the right marriage,
right, but that's a good thing,because you do get meaning from
having purpose, from having aresponsibility.
So it's actually kind of it's aweird thing that we don't
understand.
But being free and easy andbeing able to do whatever you
like is fun, but then it's notfulfilling and ultimately we
don't feel good about ourselvesif that's what our lives look
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like forever.
So it's actually kind of youknow, sacrificial responsibility
is what actually gives meaningto your life and that's what
sort of marriage and havingchildren or just doing something
.
It might not be having children, you know, in my case it's like
it's caring for parents,whatever it looks like, but
caring for other people.
That sacrificial responsibilityis actually really good for you
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in whatever form, that you knowthat it might show up for you
in your life or that you're ableto do it.
So not shaming people who can'thave children I'm one of them
but if you can, I think mostpeople benefit.
Most people seem to benefitfrom it.
It's a good thing.
It's a good thing for them.
The other thing is, too, isthat with these young people,
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because they're being told thatmarriage is an oppressive,
patriarchal institution, they'renot getting married, they're
not having children, so they'renot doing things that have any
meaning.
So they're still sort ofplaying games in the basement of
their mum's house when they'rein their 30s.
And that's when they really dobecome these incels and they
sort of more likelihood thatthey're not ever going to get
married and they're kind ofaddicted to this porn sort of
stuff and they don't know how todeal with real people.
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And so you've got this issue onboth sides, where the women
aren't finding the right men,because they do.
Most women do want men who are,you know, powerful, and I don't
mean powerful in a misogynistic, harmful way, but powerful in,
you know, someone who's actuallygoing to take control.
I don't mean tell you what todo to take control, I mean
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someone who's got themselvessorted.
I mean someone who's actuallygoing to take control.
I don't mean tell you what todo to take control.
I mean someone who's gotthemselves sorted.
I mean someone who's groundedand someone who takes
responsibility and wants to bepart of something and grow
something.
That's what I mean.
But most women do want that, dowant a good man who can be
protective when need be, and sothat's men's traditional role
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and that's not a bad thing.
And so because we're being toldthese sort of silly ideas about
, uh, about what women, whatmakes men and women happy?
I think we're missing out a lotbecause, uh, you know that it's
becoming an us against themthing with men and women, and it
seems to be again.
It's like oh well, if you know,for women to have rights, men
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can't have them, or for men tohave rights that taken from
women, and why can't we worktogether?
And again, the equality thing Iwas talking about before of
course we're equal, but we aredifferent as well, which is
great.
So there are qualities that Ihave that my husband doesn't.
There's qualities that he hasthat I don't, and so we're not.
We're not equal in strength,we're just not.
Some women would be, and that'sfine as well.
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There's all differentvariations, but you know, we're
not equal in strength.
But I, you know, I'm better atsome other things than what he
is.
I'm better at some of thisstuff than what he is, and he's
a whole lot better at beingpractical and doing practical
things and building things andmaking things and fixing things
than I will ever be.
Now, that's not exactly thesame, like I said, for every
male and female, but yeah, sowe're equal, but different.
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We don't have to be equal,equal exactly the same.
We're equal, but different.
We've got different strengthsand that's fantastic and that's
actually what makes it work,because we complement each other
, and so I think there's moregoing on for these kids.
And then, if you add on top ofthat things like I talked about
before, responsibilities thatkids shouldn't have, like being
(24:50):
told that there's a climateemergency and the world's about
to end and adults don't care andso they're not going to have a
future, if you tell kids thiskind of stuff and you burden
them with all of this adultresponsibility, you give them
all these confusing ideas aboutwhat sex and relationships are
and what masculinity is, andthen wonder why they're confused
(25:11):
and they can't figure it outand why they act out so um.
So these are sort of like someof the things I don't want to go
on, because they'll go onforever.
And, like I said, I am havingdiscussions with some other
people about this topic to makeit a bit more interesting, to
get other perspectives.
But I just want you to sort ofthink about the fact that there
are when people tell you oh,it's just about the android
(25:32):
hates of the world, it's not theandroctates of the world,
although that is something we doneed to have a concern about.
But the concern should be well,why are the boys attracted to
androctates of the world?
What's going on?
What's going on with girls andwhat's going on with boys?
What are they being exposed toand um, and where do they need
our support and where do theyneed our help and what can we do
(25:53):
to to change this and to changethe narrative and to not let
this and I'm not saying left isall wrong or right is all right
or any of that sort of stuff,but there's just this weird far
left thing.
That's that's going on um,there's wokeism, really, that's
um, that's poisoned a lot in ourworld today.
In my opinion, and I thinkthat's why the kids are all so
confused, and don't even get mestarted on on telling them that
(26:16):
they could be any gender theylike or actively asking children
in classrooms whether or notthey think they're in the right
body, introducing that kind ofconfusion for children.
There's no purpose for thatexcept to damage children.
Yep, help children who aregender confused or have those
issues if and when they need it,and it would be in the very
(26:36):
minority if you didn't introducethem to it.
But what's happening now iswe're actively introducing
children to all this confusingstuff so that we can
deliberately confuse them and sothat we can take advantage of
them Not me or not youpersonally, but there are people
who are taking advantage ofchildren and using this as a way
(26:57):
to do that.
I've talked about some of thisin other episodes.
You can listen to that there.
But essentially we are teachingchildren things that aren't
true.
We are confusing them,unneedingly confusing them.
They are exposed to theinternet and the world at a very
young age and there's only somuch you can do to control that,
(27:18):
but you can at least controlsome of it, and there are
conversations that need to behappening in families so we
understand what children areexposed to and we have
conversations with them aboutthese ideologies and about the
things they're exposed to onlinebefore they start getting
advice from people like AndrewTate.
Anyway, that's my little rantfor today, sorry, but I just
(27:41):
think it's an important topicand I will, like I said, be
talking to other people on thistopic of how we can help the
kids, because the main thing islike I don't mean to depress
people, but you need tounderstand.
Sometimes you need a diagnosis,you need a bit bit of that's my
little exploration of some ofthe things that are going on
that I think are leading tothese issues can't fix it if we
can't acknowledge what'shappening.
(28:02):
And to acknowledge what'shappening, sometimes we might
need to say things that mightcome off as being a bit
offensive or scary or whatever,but my intention is to I hope,
like I want these issuesresolved and we have to talk
about them if we're going to dothat, and, as I've said before,
this podcast is about havingreal conversations about things
that matter.
So please like, subscribe,share, comment, give feedback,
(28:25):
rate, review all those things.
I really appreciate your timeand I really appreciate your
support.
Thank you and I'll see you allnext week.
Thanks, bye.
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