Blue Exorcist (Seasons 1-4): From Slow Start to Supernatural Masterpiece

Blue Exorcist transforms from a slow-starting supernatural anime into a gripping tale of family, identity, and the eternal struggle between good and evil across its four seasons. Season 4 delivers shocking revelations about Rin and Yukio's origins that recontextualize the entire series.

• Season 1 introduces Rin Okumura discovering he's Satan's son and enrolling at True Cross Academy to become an exorcist
• Season 2's Kyoto arc focuses on Ryuji's family and the Impure King while exploring trust issues between classmates
• Season 3 delivers a shocking twist with Renzo revealed as an Illuminati double agent during Izumo's kidnapping
• Season 4 explores Yukio's mental breakdown as he seeks answers about his own potential demonic powers
• Flashbacks reveal the complicated history between Shiro, Yuri, and Satan, providing crucial context for the twins' existence
• Character development shines through Shura's curse storyline and the evolution of relationships between characters
• The series brilliantly explores themes of nature versus nurture and whether one's origins determine their destiny

If you haven't watched Blue Exorcist or dropped it after season one, now is the perfect time to experience this supernatural masterpiece that rewards patient viewers with incredible emotional payoffs and character development.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Blue Exorcist and let me tell you I am so glad I got
into Blue Exorcist, or got backinto Blue Exorcist at season 4,
because, man, it got so good atseason 4.
But before we talk about season4, let's go all the way back to
season 1.
Let's go ahead and talk abouthow our main character, ren

(00:25):
Okumara, finding out that son ofsatan, uh, enrolling into true
crowds academy following thedeath of his surrogate adoptive
father, fujimoto and mephistofujimoto's friend, is helping
ren hide his identity as hetried to fit in trying to become

(00:45):
an exorcist.
And Mirajane, I am so glad thatyou're on this review with me.
How are you feeling about BlueExorcist as a whole right now,
as?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
a whole, it's my favorite.
It's one of my favorite shows.
It's a guilty pleasure, though,kind of, because I was watching
it before I even knew it wascalled blue exorcist.
I was watching it when it wasalley, no exorcist okay, okay so
it's definitely.
It was one of those animes that, uh, you know when you're

(01:18):
watching it on them sites backin the day I mean that's.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
That's the thing.
Like I was watching Blue Exodusback in that time where, like
back in the early 2010s, where,okay, I didn't want to be one of
those basic bitches that onlywatch like the mainstream shit,
I wanted to get on the sites andsee some of the other shit.
So I'm like, okay, cool, andBlue Exodus is like one of my
first ones that I watched when Iwas going on my journey and I

(01:48):
want to say, with season onebeing that introductory
character development type arc,in hindsight I do appreciate it.
It felt a little slow.
It just felt like, okay, littleadventure, little classmates,
just having a hee, hee, ha typething.
But, um, it does get serioushere and there, but not compared

(02:14):
to what we're gonna get intolater.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
But I think like, uh, as a whole, it did such a good
job of keeping my interest, like, while it felt slow, the pace
was like just enough to like, itpaced itself pretty well.
Season one definitely did, butwe ain't gonna talk about season

(02:39):
two.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I mean, we kind of have to, but we'll get there.
Okay, thanks.
But uh, ren, he needs to makefriends with the other X-Wires
at the cram school whiletraining with them.
And during this training, thiscamping trip, amayamon, one of

(03:03):
the eight demon kings, the kingof earth, specifically attacks
the group.
Ren has no choice but to revealhis secret as Satan's son in
order to defeat Amayamon, andRen ended up getting captured by
Arthur, who's the currentpaladin of True Cross or the
Order, and brought him in frontof the gregory.

(03:26):
Now mephisto was making a wagerwith the true cross order to
see if ram has what it takes tobecome mancow's graded line of
defense against satan.
Now my whole thing is here's.
Here's the crazy part.
Once you get to like episode 16, 17, you can just skip all that

(03:49):
.
Bro, Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
See, that's.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
I did watch it anyways, but in hindsight I'm
like you really could skipepisodes 17, 18 through 25 of
season one and essentiallyseasons two through four.
Stretches out what thoseepisodes try to do, but it's
more faithful to the manga.
Yeah, it pulled a full-lengthAlchemist Brotherhood in that

(04:22):
aspect to where, like okay, thispocket of pesos.
You can pretend that didn'thappen, it never happened.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
I got beef.
Okay, I got plenty beef withthis.
The reason I got beef isbecause I watched all of this on
the streaming site, as you know, right, that's what we had to
do back then.
Insight as you know, right,that's what we had to do back

(04:49):
then.
So when I got to episode 25, Iwas getting ready to go on a
cruise.
Okay, I is.
It is three in the morning.
This episode does not dropuntil 5 am our time.
Why do I know that?
Because I was obsessed withwith.
This was the only show at thetime that I was like I need to
know what's gonna happen.

(05:10):
Okay, I need to know everythingand I can't leave until I know
what's happening.
I legit pretended to be sleepto my parents so that way I
could watch this drop at 5 am soI wouldn't miss it, and was
almost late getting on thecruise ship, just for me to find

(05:33):
out years later that I didn'teven need to watch it yeah
that's my beef, that I'm goingahead.
I got it out the way.
I ain't got nothing else to say.
I just I wish there could havebeen a disclaimer early on in
2011, when they could have justtold me then that I didn't need

(05:58):
the rest of these episodes okay,cause it was so good even nah,
you know what's crazy though?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I was in the same boat where, as soon as I heard
season 2 was coming out, oh shit, they're doing season 2?
.
Okay, let's check this out.
Wait a minute, back that up.
Did y'all forget a couple ofepisodes?
No, no, no, check this out, youcan forget all of those
episodes.
Wait, what do you mean?
I'm like, no see, the thing wasthose were anime exclusive

(06:28):
episodes that you know.
We don't know if, um, we'regonna have the budget, whatnot
to like really flesh out the umstory, right.
So we just kind of like packedin the general gist of what's
going to happen between seasontwo and season four into these
episodes.
But but since apparently we gotthe funds and we got the people
that want to really like BlueExorcist, like hey, yo, you know

(06:51):
what, let's just make seasontwo.
Put that out there.
Like, okay, people still likingBlue Exorcist.
Okay, let's put out seasonthree.
I'm like, okay, they're stilldigging this.
Okay, cool, cool, cool, alright, season four it's getting real
thick.
And then chances are I'mspeculating that season five I
don't know when that's going tocome out, but we got one more

(07:12):
arc after this one, after seasonfour, there's only one more arc
in the manga and then it'slooking like a 24 episode type
thing going on.
You know two cores and thingsPretty much like season four.
They're at the final arc atthis point.
So before I really get intoseason two and three, I have to

(07:38):
say I love how most of thesecharacters get a little art
going on.
Some characters get littleepisodes okay fine, but then you
have characters like, say,ryuji having his own arc in
Season 2.
Season 3 was more focused onIzumo and Renzo.

(08:02):
By the way, renzo was like acomplete swerve for me.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Facts.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Season 4 was more like it was for Shura, yukio,
shiro and Ren and Yukio's mother, yuri.
And man, god damn, I was justso impressed by season 4.
Now, mirror Jane, how were youfeeling about season 2?

(08:32):
Because you were saying likeyou felt a little hesitant, a
little reserved on talking aboutseason 2.
You got some beef with season 2okay, so I didn't really.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
You got some beef with season two.
Okay, so I didn't really carethat much for season two.
It's just.
It just wasn't one of myfavorite seasons.
I I after having to go backrewatch the first 16 episodes
again to pick up for season two,it just didn't give me the

(09:15):
exact same energy that seasonone gave me and it felt really
different, really different, andit felt more um.
It felt more like a mysteryanime than like an adventure
anime.
It seemed like it kind of splitroles a little bit.
There was more investigationand more like um and people

(09:40):
really despising him right, andwith it just felt.
It just felt not rushed, itdidn't feel rushed at all, it
just felt flat.
That's how it felt.
It felt really flat.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, see, that was my problem with well, I almost
said that for season three, butseason two definitely felt a
little flat, almost like itwasn't, like it wasn't there,
like it didn't serve a purpose,but it just kind of like.
You know, unfortunately it waslike the weaker season, I would
say.
At least with season three,like I said, there was like that

(10:21):
swerve with Renzo.
That's the only thing that waslike oh, wait, shit, hold on.
Things are like getting kind ofinteresting with this plot.
But season two, okay, context.
So, after failing to recoverthe left eye of the Empire King,
the X-Wires are now sent toKyoto, which is the Kyoto Empire
King arc.

(10:41):
They're sent to Kyoto toprotect the right eye of the
Empire King arc.
They're sent to Kyoto toprotect the right eye of the
Empire King, and in Kyoto theymeet Ryuji Sugiro's family and
Miyobo Dorani I hope Ipronounced them correctly the
X-Wire's still coping withlearning that Ren is the Satan's
son.
See, that's the thing.
They were like wait, hold on,y'all still coping with Ren.

(11:04):
I thought you were a cool backwhen.
Oh, okay, I see I'm pretendingthat didn't happen.
Okay, okay, gotcha.
That's what really threw me offright there when they had that
conversation on training was,and like Suguro and Ren was like
still beefing with each otherhow can I trust you after what

(11:26):
you did to my family?
And I'm like, hold on.
But anyway, ren tried toattempt to earn their trust back
, trying to control his powers.
And while trying to makeefforts, the left ally gets
stolen and the Empire King getsrevived and they have to pretty

(11:49):
much deal with them.
Yeah, like basically just feltlike Aftermath of season one
plus a mission to where, ok, wegot to take care of this, make
sure that the impure king don'twreak havoc on humanity.
And eventually they're likeokay, we're cool, you know.

(12:12):
So, like I said, with the animeexclusive arc, like what was it
like?
Five, six episodes that waslike three episodes of
resolution right there to gotPath of Reconciliation.
Now we're just pretty muchwaiting on the while I like to

(12:33):
call the Yukio Crash Out andwe'll get there when we get to
season four.
But season three is the Illilluminati arc.
We find out that renzo shima uh, you know that's funny because

(12:54):
he kind of reminds me of orokuin a way, you know, like this
lecherous monk type characterand come and come to find out
that he's part of the Illuminatiand Kamiki Wolf chick.
She gets kidnapped and theX-Wire tries to save her from

(13:21):
the Illuminati.
I See it's kind of funny things.
Like it's crazy how at firstyou're thinking with these
characters.
I knew I thought some of themwere gonna get neglected, but
for the most part thesecharacters serve a purpose in
some way, like unfortunately, Iwould say, between Konakomaru

(13:43):
and that one guy, nemu with thepuppet.
They're the only ones that'slike OK, well, they matter, but
not that much to the plot in asense, where, like they either

(14:09):
had their own arc or, uh, theylike was like really rooted into
the story.
Like imagine my surprise when,like okay, bad enough that I
know I kind of jump into seasonfour, but I can't help it, I
need to talk about it.
It's bad enough that we alreadyknow that ren and yukiya are
nephilim, which are essentiallylike descendants of demon kings,
you know, like clones, or maybethey actually made a biological

(14:34):
product.
You know the same thing withSatan and Yuri, to where they
kind of got it on and made thespawn.
It's one or the other, right.
Imagine my surprise when Xiemi,little blonde girl, xiemi, she's
from a line of those demons.

(14:57):
Uh, what was it Xiemi Haza.
I'm trying to remember her name, but essentially like like
she's a Nephilim too.
I'm like what the fuck?
Zero two?
I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa, holdon.
So you're a clone of Azazel thewhole time, bro, good lord.

(15:17):
When I got I swear to God.
When I got season four, I waslike back back, lord drop, and
it's twerps and what is going.
Swear to God.
When I got to season four, Iback and back, lord drop and
swerves and what is going on.
But hold on, let me back it up.
Let's back it up to seasonthree.
How are you feeling about theIlluminati arc, mirjane?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
This arc is what brought me back.
Season two almost lost me.
Season three got me.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I loved.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I loved Rin in this season, seeing Rin be all tough
with the true cross order.
I love seeing that because, like, at this point it feels like
Ren has really settled into whohe is, um, and while we

(16:18):
understand, he still got kind ofsome feelings or whatever, but
he's like really settling intowho he is and I really really
freaking love that, um.
And then, and especiallyfavorite episode of course in
every anime we have to have thegoddamn festival episode every

(16:40):
god darn time.
That festival episode was socute.
Okay, it was so perfect.
I loved Renzo.
I loved Renzo and Ren trying toask girls to the dance.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh hey, you know what , speaking of feelings, I like,
how, when it came to Ren, yukioand Siemi, it was like it was
like a refreshingly good butweird dynamic to where it was
like, well, maybe Ren had somefeelings for Xiemi, maybe Yukio

(17:18):
had some feelings too, but thenagain it was like, oh no, I
don't like her like that.
But hey yo, if you want it, youcan go ahead and do it.
You know, like no, like oh no,I don't like her like that.
But hey yo, if you want to dateher, you can go ahead and date
her.
Like no, no, I don't reallylike her, but hey yo, shoot your
side if you want to, bro.
And then shimmy was like, ohwell, I don't know if I I don't
know if I will say I want todate either of you, but it was

(17:39):
mainly because she wasinexperienced with romance.
You know, keep in mind, she waslike a shy shut in.
So it was like, um, hell, izumohad to, um, show up with
fucking manga books to teach herabout romance.
So it was like, okay, to befair, you're kind of like
throwing a brand new experienceat her.
So I don't blame her forfeeling the ways that she felt

(18:00):
at the time, I get it.
But uh, it was just kind offunny how it was almost like, um
, the brothers, um, they reallyweren't trying to cop lock each
other.
It was like, hey, yo, you wanta date or date.
Or I'm like no, no, no no buthey, if you want a date, you can
go in there like no, I don'tknow, it's like I like how they

(18:20):
like really fuck with each otherfor real until season four well
, season four has a, you know,something ends up happening yeah
, like but I loved.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I think that's what made season three so good is
because it's kind of funny.
It's kind of funny.
It's kind of funny Cause I waswatching season.
Season three reminds me of whatends up happening in um.
This is completely different,but it ends up happening in in
wrestling.
There's a storyline inwrestling between uh, it was

(19:01):
between Adam Cole and um MJF.
They're from AEW and MJF isthis dude who's like I don't
need no friends.
And then Adam Cole's like buddy, you need one friend, all right
, like I'm gonna show you how tohave friends, okay, and they

(19:22):
build this haphazardrelationship and they're telling
this story.
And then MJF is known as theasshole.
Right, we get the biggestbackstabbing moment ever on TV,
okay, when Adam Cole turns hisback on his new best friend, mjf

(19:46):
.
Oh my God.
So that's what thatrelationship really reminded me
of, like it just wasn'tsomething you expected to really
happen, and when it does,you're like it's really fun.
So season three is kind of oneof my favorite seasons.
And then season four broke myheart yeah oh, don't do it.

(20:11):
Don't do that.
Your yeah is more like itsounds like you would not be
handing me the tissues while Iwas sitting there, sobbing,
figuring this out, and more likeyou just be sitting there,
being like I fucking knewsomething was wrong with this
nigga the whole time.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Nah, because listen like no, okay.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Okay, can we talk about season four, can we?

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, nah, we gonna go ahead and get into season
four, like, because, honestly,season two and three they're
good, but, aside from a fewswerves, a little little detail
and whatnot, like okay, cool,cool, cool, uh.
Season four, the main thing Iwant to talk about, because,
hold the fuck on, like, Okay,leaving off where season three

(20:59):
left off, right man Yukio'strying to get curious based off
his conversation with Lucifer.
It's like, oh, you're weak andyou don't even know the truth,
don't you?
And I'm like what the fuck doyou mean?
What are you trying to say?
You know some real Orochimarutype shit.
And stay with me now.
Stay with me.
Yukio was starting to tweak,asking Ren, asking Lightning,

(21:25):
asking Ryuji, by the way, ryuji,getting rid Of the Mohawk.
I'm like you know what.
It looks good on him, but it'salso a shame Because it just had
a very Distinct look for him.
He really stood out, butanyways, uh, yukio was like
grilling people.
Like stood out, but anyways, uh, yukio was like grilling people
.
Like, hey, yo, like I don'tknow if I really have Satan's

(21:48):
powers or not, and like my eyelike it's kind of burning and
I'm like what's going on?
I'm trying to figure out what'sgoing on and people keep hiding
the truth from me, and Ren isfucking pissing me off because
he don't even want to know thetruth.
How the fuck do you not want toknow the truth when you are
known as the son of Satan?
Like, don't you want to?

(22:09):
What the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Why don't you want to know?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:17):
But nah, before we continue with the Yu-Gi-Oh crash
, we gotta acknowledge thatShura okay, first of all Shura,
since she's 26, I can say thisI'll smash.
I'll say it, yeah, I'll do it.
What can I say?
I like the way she's puttogether.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Wow Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
But I do like how even she have an arc to where,
essentially, she had this deal.
Well, her family had this dealwith this demon called Hachi
Toro or something.
Hachiro Toro, that's what itwas, but Hachiro for sure.
Yeah, you're right, but theimplication with this curse,

(23:00):
right, I thought it was kind offunny, but also kind of low-key,
misogynistic.
How the fuck you gonna havelike, oh well, I need you to be
beautiful Totsuko, because, keepin mind, no matter who it was,
he kept referring to them asTotsuko.
I'm like, no, I'm not Totsuko,I'm sure.

(23:21):
I'm like, whatever it is, yourname's Tosuko, it's all like.
Your name is Tosuko, it's Shura.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
And they're like what you think, what you mean, your
name is Shura.
That's not my name.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yes, the fuck it is bitch, but now listen, follow me
, follow me.
I don't like how theimplication of the curse was you
will die by the time you reach30.
And the implication that yougotta have a kid before you turn

(23:57):
30.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Do you hear that?
Did you hear that?
I'm like, oh, I love.
What I do love is that Rin waslike listen, you, the most
independent woman I know.
I don't really think that'swhat you want to do yeah, that's

(24:24):
what you want to do.
Yeah, that's not.
That's not what you really wantto do, like let's go beat this
nigga up.
Let's just go beat his ass.
It's alright, we can do it.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
And I also like how Ukyo's like I'm gonna make sure
that Shiro gets pregnant and allthat.
And then you know they breakthe curse and all that Hachi
wrote fucks off, whatever,whatever.
And then Shira was like, hey,so all that shit?
You said earlier.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Okay, I'm not going to lie to you.
I was not expecting that.
Now that that that threw me fora hoax.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I mean, I was just saying shit.
No, no, no.
You take responsibility forwhat you said.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Uh, uh, uh, I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Oh, even though it was like at the Christmas party,
like she was kind of joking.
She was like oh, you boys are16 now, y'all practically men,
maybe y maybe.
I want to see some shit now Ithink yukio is down.
I ain't gonna lie, I think Ithink yukio's ready I'm like,

(25:37):
bro, like I would be flyingyukio man, like you gonna really
let that slide.
Come on, dog.
Like I mean you already saidthe shit anyway, so you might as
well like listen, at the veryleast do it for me, do it for
the gang, like come on, dog, youneed this dub.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Really, jb, do it for me, do it for me.
Do it for yourself.
Do it for me.
Don't do it for yourself.
Do it for me.
If you ain't going to do it foryourself, okay.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Listen, I will feel like I won by encouraging you to
do your job.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Now, that definitely threw me for a loop, but you
ain't wrong, this is you.
This is yukio's crash allseason, so maybe that was part
of the crash but now let's okay,okay for real, though.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
So it get into a point to where yukio's trying,
basically he's like scaringpeople and ren is like I don't
know what's going on with Yukio.
And I'm like, bro, like healready told you what's going on
with him and you pretty muchtold him, hey, yo, I ain't even
worried about all that.

(26:52):
But he was like kind of in theknob because, as you will see,
in part two of season four, hewas like kind of running away
from an answer that he alreadyknew.
But yeah, like it was just kindof funny how Ren was acting
like he don't know what's goingon with Yukio, even though Yukio
already told him what the fuckwas going on.

(27:13):
But he, you know it's Ren andbeing Ren, and he was like oh
damn, like he was really buggingabout that shit.
I should have told him about it.
You know, I should have like,oh damn, he was really bugging
about that shit.
I should have talked to himabout it, I should have
entertained her or somethinglike that.
But, bro, when it was time to dothe thing, it was like some
sort of meeting where Mephistoand the rest of the exorcists

(27:38):
were super serious.
They were trying to oh yeah, itwas, was the announce the
existence of demons and whatnot,but they weren't really gonna
go with that.
They would like call themanti-social organisms.
That's why I found that funny,but not, but not like uh yukio

(27:59):
showing up looking like he wasreally tweaking out.
He was thrilling Mephisto, likeyou know something, don't you?
You need to tell me.
I'm like, nah, I don't reallyfeel like it.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
You're just going to have to deal with it.
I'm going to have to give aspeech, so if you don't mind,
yeah.
And then he was talking andshit.
And then Yu-Gi-Oh was like nah,bro, you ain't gonna just bitch
butt me, you're not just gonnaignore me, you're fucking.
Shot him in the fucking head.
And Shiro saw that from adistance like no, don't do it.

(28:42):
I mean, mephisto turned outfine because, you know, demon
body, even though it did kind ofput him down for a little while
.
But you know, he survived andYukio got arrested and what not.
It was just kind of crazybecause he was tweaking so bad

(29:02):
he was willing to shoot Mephistofor not giving him answers.
He almost shot Ryuji for thatshit.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think, but this is what happens when you gaslight
somebody.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, like how y'all gonna act like nothing's going
on, when there's somethingclearly going on.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Like clearly he's no longer himself.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
It's very obvious and it's also very obvious to him.
He's experiencing it, and thenyou're telling him nah, ain't
nothing wrong, that's like.
That's like telling somebodythat you didn't just use the
bathroom when they heard you goto the bathroom.
Nah, that wasn't me, I heard, Isaw you go in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
No.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
No, no, I'm not doing that, but I caught you on
camera?
Actually no, that's likeearlier, jb Voice Changer.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Oh right, I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
You still don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
What do you mean?
Living daylights, what I'mtalking about?

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Oh okay, what do you mean?
Air-themed living daylights outof me, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
But, uh, yeah, yukio ended up being arrested and
Rin's trying to bust him outwith the other ex-wires and even
though they were successful,yukio decided to swerve and oh,
by the way, renzo was like inthe background just a little bit
.
Like every now and then hewould pop up to yukio, be like,

(30:54):
hey man, like I told you, bro,like if you try to seek counsel,
you're going to the wrongpeople.
For that you know, uh, for thatI keep trying to tell you
you're doing dumb shit, dog.
It's funny how he's being alllaid back and whatnot, almost
like he's acting like we don'tknow that you're Illuminati's

(31:15):
spot, we know you're a doubleagent, but he's playing it off
like nothing changed.
But every now and then, likehe'll approach Yu-Gi-Oh, almost
like oh, yeah, like it's time toget serious.
Like, hey, man, like you needto, um, you need to take care of
it.
I mean, you know, there's a guythat can give you all the

(31:35):
answers you need.
All you need to do is justaccept our invitation to go to
the Illuminati and pretty muchat episode 12 of season 4 that's
when they pulled the Narutoroute to where, oh, you could
decide to go join the Illuminatito gain more power thanks to

(31:56):
this dubious guy, because hewants to be stronger than his
brother, and I'm like thatsounds familiar what is that?
I mean I'm not saying like copyand paste, but it's like it's

(32:17):
one of those um storyline, thoseplot devices that works, so
like like I don't even blame, atleast they did.
In a way that's different,because not like Naruto and
Sasuke, because you know they'reactual brothers versus Naruto
and Sasuke.
They're not brothers, but it'slike they have that brotherly
bond.
So it's like different.

(32:37):
But I can kind of see theparallels, you know what I'm
saying.
But uh, yeah, I can kind of seethe parallels, you know what
I'm saying, but uh.
Yeah, yeah, like that first half, when I when I say they had me
in that first half, I'm notgonna lie, this time I really

(32:59):
Mean it like they really had mein this first half.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
It took such, definitely took such.
It took such a.
It was such a turn Is what Iwas trying to say.
Jesus Christ, I couldn't getthe words out.
It was such a turn, it was sucha shift that I was like, oh,
this is, this is different.
I need to finish this now, likeI actually'm.

(33:29):
I'm hooked by this, especiallylike, kind of, like you said,
like we got backstory on thecharacters that we had grown to
care about, we've grown toreally like, because I'm not
gonna lie, you're right, um,true, or one of my favorites, I
love her, so getting her likefinding out how she's powerful
and all those things is it wasreally cool.
And then, with Yukio going allbreaking bad it was, it was, it

(33:55):
was great, it was absolutelyperfect oh yeah, uh.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Now part two of season four.
It was absolutely perfect, hellyeah.
Now part two of season four.
Oh man, I say tragic.
I mean this was kind of tragic.
Like like Yuri with her friends,like see, that's the funny

(34:22):
thing, like I thought thefriends was gonna like make it
somehow, but then again, like itwouldn't try to where, like, oh
well, they would fed them theplot too many answers too
quickly.
So it was like, oh, those twofriends, um, rick and Jenny,
like I, I mean I kind of sawRick coming, but I didn't expect

(34:45):
Jenny to just be killedoffscreen Just because, oh well,
you know, we got to make surethat she don't tell anybody
what's going on.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, but with Rick, you know,like he just got caught,
crossfire Gets Lucifer.
So you know, it just got caught, crossfire gets Lucifer, so you
know it happens, it is what itis, but um, can't say it's just

(35:09):
like that yeah, I'm sorry, uh,but uh, oh man, listen, you know
how we were saying with theanime exclusive episodes, how
they pretty much don't matter.
However, I feel like whathappened in those episodes

(35:31):
pretty much encapsulate what wasgoing to go down in season four
, where you get some more.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry Go ahead, where we get some more
.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I'm sorry, go ahead we're going to get some more
backstory on Shiro Yuri andeverybody else at True Cross
Order, but what were you aboutto say, mj?

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I was going to say first season, right towards the
last episode.
They used kind of the sameimages from that first from the
last half.
They used kind of the sameimages from that first from the
last half of that In the episode.
What episode was that Distress?
The second episode of seasonfour.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
They used kind of some of the same images from the
first season.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah.
I was like yo, but you said itdidn't matter you told me to
forget about it nah, becausewhat they did was they stretched
it out to where, like okay, uh,they probably the move they
probably did was they weren't.
Like I said in the beginning,they probably wasn't sure if

(36:42):
they were going to get a morefleshed out story, so they just
kind of threw in the ending ofthe story at the last minute
just in case.
And then I guess at one pointthey just got greenlit for
season two.
So they decided, okay, we canjust consider that chunk

(37:02):
irrelevant, okay, we can justconsider that chunk irrelevant
so we can like actually fleshout what was supposed to happen
in that chunk.
So here we finally figure outexactly what happened with shiro
, yuri sat, satan and everybodyelse.
And it's my thing, one of themain things about hold on, hold

(37:34):
on before I really get into parttwo of season four I like this
new look for Ren, you know, withthe white hair and whatnot.
But when his sword broke he hadlike the flames and whatnot and
I like how the little flamekind of look like a V-shape,
kind of remind me of KatekioHitman Reborn.

(37:54):
I was kind of really diggingthat.
But, like I was saying before,shiro wasn't even born.
He was created as a Nephilim,like a clone of Zazel, kind of
like how Ren and Yukio and Shimiand some others are Nephilims.
Uh, shiro, he was Mexican whenhe became an exorcist.

(38:21):
Like okay, check this out, hejust became an exorcist.
Like okay, check this out, hejust became an exorcist.
And he like going out, drinkingand all that shit.
And then, uh, at one point,this one exorcist girl uh
slapped on be like oh, you're sostupid, you don't care about
yourself, and ran off.
And then he was like whateverbitch.
And then uh, yuri was overthere, like why aren't you

(38:43):
running after her, don't youcare?
I'm like man, I don't care.
And then, uh, next thing youknow, another girl runs up to
him like wrapping her armsaround him, like hey, baby,
let's go drink.
You know like, oh, hell, yeah,let's go.
Like see, bitch it don't matter,Like, see, it don't matter.

(39:06):
Like, bro, like I just love thelittle relationship that Shiro
and Yuri had.
But what kind of pissed me offis that at the last minute, when
Yuri died, Shiro was like Ilove you since the first day I
met you, but why did you act soantagonistic towards her the
whole fucking time?
Well, at least half that timeFucking tsundere type energy,

(39:31):
Bro, thanks, but uh, what else?
What else?
What else?
Ooh, ooh okay, satan, let's talkabout Satan real quick.
What else, what?
Oh, okay, satan, let's talkabout satan real quick.
Once satan possessed the body,yuri was practically raising him
like a sister, like a mother uh, raising a child, um, he also

(39:55):
played with her back when he wasjust a rinka, you know blue
flames, like you're playing withuh.
But once he got a body, then itwas like he was acting like a
real infant and the crate.
And the funny part is when shiroshowed up, um, just to play
with him, satan hated him onsight.

(40:16):
I'm like damn, imagine being sotough as an exorcist.
You got Lord Satanautomatically hitting on you,
like just this little children'sgame that the two of them were
playing.
Like Satan was getting mad thathe was losing to Shiro and

(40:40):
Shiro was like kind of mockinghim and whatnot.
And you were like why are yousaying all that?
Like I'll be nice, I'm like man, whatever you know.
Like let him feel some type ofwhite shit, like it's good for
his character.
And I'm like funny that you saythat, because the very next day
yuri showed up with him on topof a pile of books and I was

(41:04):
like rinka, damn, like I haven'theard that name aides.
You mean yesterday anyways.
Uh, he was like, nah, you know,I don't like that name anymore.
Like just call me lord satan.
And here's the deal.
Like I got his body and whatnot.
So, um, we just like run awaytogether like whatnot you know?

(41:25):
Um, no, you know what.
Wait a minute, let me back itup a little bit.
Uh, there was this one instancewhen, like yuri and shiro, like
teenagers, and like yuri gotinto it with Shiro getting mad
at him and Shiro was almostabout to punch Yuri, but the
Blue Flames song shot up.

(41:47):
And you want to know myimmediate thought when I saw the
Blue Flames protecting Yuri,what I just imagine Satan like,
because I'm honestly thinkingabout doing the Blue X's
Abridged series someday onYouTube.
I'm just imagining Satan beinglike let me back your ass up on.

(42:09):
Would you ever put your handson my future baby mama?
I was like yo, what I said,what I said?
Now, back your ass up.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
You know, I feel like history gonna end up repeating
itself.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
There's someone named Shura, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Oh, oh, oh.
You know what you mean to tellme that Satan grew an ego to
beat Shiro and to be with Yuriat the moment that one guard
questioned if Shiro and Yuriwere dating.
Imagine if Satan heard thatshit and he was like oh hell, no

(42:59):
, you trying to take my womanaway from me?
No, no, let me read up allthese books.
You, you trying to take mywoman away from me?
No, no, let me read up allthese books.
You're going to take my womanaway from me, bro.
That's all you think you are.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
The fact that you know what, the fact that Satan
in this show cared so much aboutyou.
Did he though?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
The way he, at the very end, at the very end, did
he though that way he at?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
the very end, did he, though?
That's a good question.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Because, like it was more like obsession, slash,
possession it was kind of likethe same deal with Hachiro.
It was like I don't love you.
You're more like my favoritePlaything.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
You're intriguing to me, okay, okay, I didn't even
peep that, you definitely peepedthat.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, nah, because I'm like uh, uh, bro, the way
you moving, that's not love dog.
Like the way I didn't like theway you were moving, that's the
main thing.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Like he did, he was moving, kind of he was.
I ain't gonna lie, I ain'tgonna hold you, you right, you
right because, like he yeah,like he was protective and
whatnot at first.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
But Like he yeah, like he was protective and
whatnot at first, but it wasalmost like he was ready to kill
the bitch every time she likeleft for extended periods of
time.
He's literally like that onedude to where you like, or it
could be a girl, it could goeither way.
You know that one person that'slike you're texting them right,

(44:46):
and then maybe, like you'regoing off to like do your
business for like 10, 20, 30minutes or however long it takes
you to do it, and then nextthing you know you're getting
all this string of um textmessages talking about you.
Dumb bitch, like how dare youignore me?
I want to help.
You feel like whoa hold.
Like I just put my phone downfor 30 minutes and this is how
you feel.
Like some people really can'thandle being left on read.

(45:08):
So that's how Satan was comingoff to her.
Like he's one of those peoplethat's like he'll get really mad
if you leave him on read fortoo long.
And that's pretty much whathappened.
I was like he was like ready tothrow a tantrum over the fact
that this one girl was like howcome you didn't come see me?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Where am I hug at, not where my hug at.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
I mean to be fair, yuri did love Satan, but then
again I'm like I don't know ifit was like romantic or not.
It's almost like I care for you, like I care for our childhood
friend.
It felt like that kind of vibe.
But even then, yeah, yeah, Iknow they did end up like having

(46:00):
ran a Yu-Gi-Oh, but I'm like Idon't know, it just didn't feel
like a real relationship,especially with Yuri, if she
wasn't as nice as she was.
I swear she's one of thosegirls that's like she's just
attracted to danger.
She's just attracted to maybelike I won't say bad boys per se

(46:22):
, but more like a vibe that badboys per se, but more like a
vibe that bad boys bring.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, she thinks she can save everybody.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
She wanted to coexist with the demons.
But you, bro, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
At some point.
I wanted to say it was givinghints of Stockholm Syndrome at
some point.
Yeah, Especially when there'spoints where I just want to be
with you.
It felt like Cap, but it wasone of those things where being
with you is the only way to stopyou from killing everyone else.

(47:03):
It was almost like you're notreally with him for real.
You're only with him becauseyou're trying to save everyone
else from him.
See, you're still trying tosave folks even though, like you
know, like Instead of acceptingthe fact that you guys can't
coexist.
But that's the thing is like's.
Like if she didn't go with him,then he was going to try to

(47:27):
kill everybody else andeverybody was going to try to
kill him, and then you wouldprobably serve as a human shield
.
No, don't kill him.
I'm like you, really.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
It's giving Emma from Promised Neverland okay,
alright, don't talk about mygirl.
You know what she was kind ofokay, nevermind, I can't do it.
I can't talk about Emma causeshe was a child.

(48:05):
I feel like it's different.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I mean, Yuri was a child pretty much influencing a
lot of decisions based on heremotional bias.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
But I feel like.
I feel like Yuri was a childwho knew that it was Satan.
Emma didn't necessarily knowall the details yet, but what
she got him she grew.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I feel like I always have that
cool, yeah, but oh man, yeah, Ifeel that I honestly have that
cool, but, uh man, like the waythe blue knight actually Went
down to where a lot Of peopledied, and Uh, shiro tried to run
away With Yuri, but you know,ren, popping out of the womb

(49:00):
with a Killing spree all right,I'm like, damn Ren, like you
were womb with a killing spree,all right, I'm like damn Ren,
like you were born with a killcount on day one.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, man, poor baby.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah, but Zero tried to protect Yuri and the boys,
yuri dying anyways, and Zero weget to see Shiro like trying to
be a father and what not.
Oh, oh, oh, you know, let meback it up a little bit.
I did find it kind of funny howShiro, like meeting Shiro on

(49:36):
site, was like you gonna be mynew fiance, like let's get
married and have some babies.
Oh man, what the fuck.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Man like I Pretty much.
Once Rin saw all of that, youknow, using the keys and whatnot
.
He was one like he felt reallybad, that he felt that he wished
he was never born.
And what?

(50:13):
Mephisto who's my favoritecharacter, by the way.
I didn't mention that yet, butyes, mephisto is probably my
favorite character because hecomes off as this enigmatic,
charming guy.
He, he gives off maximilianpegasus vibes for me, like you
know, the kind of guy that'slike you, up to something, but

(50:35):
for some reason I like the wayyou move you also just don't
know exactly what he's up to,but you just know it's a.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Thing.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah, like I can't prove that you're up to
something nefarious, but there'ssomething about you that's like
I don't hate you, like I mightlike you, I don't know, like
he's just cool.
He's cool.
Uh, once rin was saying like, oh, I wish I was never born, but

(51:13):
mcphistle was trying to tell himthat.
Are you sure you want to do?
You really believe that, afteryour mother, your surrogate
father and everyone else wentthrough everything that they
went through just to make surethat you guys have a life like?
In other words, like you maynot oh, no one asked to be born,

(51:41):
but at the very Least theydeserve A fighting chance at
life.
Like that's the main thing Ifeel, like that's the main thing
that they Try to bring home Tothis series as a whole, to where
, like Rin didn't ask to be bornthe son of Satan, but at the

(52:04):
very least it's like heshouldn't kill him just because
he is the way he is.
Like at the very least, let'sgive him a chance to like See if
he can actually turn out To bea force of good Change his ways.
Yeah, like you know, it's theage old argument Of nature
versus nurture.
Change his ways.
Yeah, like you know give it achance.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
It's the age-old argument of nature versus
nurture.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yes, yes, and it is a good thing that Ren and Yukio
had Shiro as a father.
In fact, I dare say it remindsme of Guardians of the Galaxy
Vol 2, to where Shiro probablylooked at Satan like he may be
your father, but that ain't yourdaddy.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Damn.
That's true, that's very true,and I'm glad I think we're all
glad that Satan didn't get toraise any of his kids.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
It is funny because, like the way the Demon King tree
works, satan is the father ofRen, yukio and all the other
Demon Kings.
So it's almost kind of weirdseeing it how essentially Ren
and Yukio are Brothers withMephisto, amayama and all the

(53:26):
other Demon kings.
And Once again, it's like crazyenough, even though I'm not
trying To Copy and paste, but itkind of Reminds me of the whole
thing with the death Paintingsin Jujutsu Kaisen, where, um,
you find out, um, oh shit, likewe, I'm actually like half human

(53:53):
, half cursed, and you guys, mybrothers, my whole time yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I was actually gonna say how like Blue Exorcist to me
Was like the original JJK.
It felt more like JJK Cause,like he's a demon, like, while
JJK is good At some point, it'sjust an anime About boxing.

(54:19):
It's about throwing hands, okay, yeah that's the crazy part.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Like we're gonna do the manga discussion at some
point, maybe in October.
But I'm gonna be honest withyou after reading the manga,
completing the manga, I'm like Ihave mixed feelings about
Yusuke Kain as a whole right now.
But with blue exorcist, yeah,it's finished, it's been

(54:48):
finished.
Okay, yeah, I'll read it.
But, uh, check this out.
Here's my main problem withfolks how people are so focused
on instant gratification thatthey have no appreciation for
delayed gratification.
See, I appreciate glue exorcistfor a way to where.

(55:08):
Okay, slow start.
But hey, I accept a slow startIf it's like world building.
You're introducing characters.
We want to give us a chance toget to know these characters
before the plot gets thickened.
Okay, cool, I accept that.
So I'm cool with a slow start,as long as it has an amazing

(55:30):
finish.
Versus oh, it left a strongfirst impression, but the ending
fucking sucked.
Looking at you PromisedNeverland, but yeah like I do,

(55:51):
like the way Blue Exorcistplayed out, to where I feel like
I know these characters betweenRen Yukio Ryuji, siemi Izumo
Konokomaru, renzo Nemu, allthese different main characters,
the other characters too andI'm saying that they're not

(56:16):
important enough for me to name,but we don't got time for that.
Important enough for me to name, but we don't got time for that
.
It feels like you have to getto know these characters instead
of just being there.
The action isn't as flashy asjesus kaisen or demon slayer,

(56:39):
but I don't know.
It's not boring either.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yeah, it's not boring though, and it doesn't leave
you exasperated because, like,sometimes all of the flashy
fight scenes just kind of likeoverwhelm my senses and I'm like
, okay, I need a break from this, like it was great and I think
that's kind of the.
It almost feels like that'skind of the.
It almost feels like that's theintention behind like the

(57:05):
scenes that happen in JJK, andmaybe not so much Demon Slayer
because those fights they'remeaningful, but it seems that
way in JJK it just seems likethe intent is to kind of
overwhelm you with how good thescenes look and then, because
there's really no more meat tothe plot and but you have

(57:27):
something like blue exorcistwhere it's like first season is
definitely like it starts offlike, hey, bro, let me, let me
let you know, like you a demon,what, oh b?
Oh, btw, son of Satan, excuseme.
And it hooks you In that momentand it takes you on a journey

(57:50):
Through how they're coping anddealing with that.
And as much as I didn't likeseason 2.
I understood the world buildingof season 2.
Was necessary.
So and it definitely season 3worth it, and then season 4 was
off the rails, you know so checkthis out.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Like quick detail.
That I thought was kind offunny.
Remember the remembrance part,part two of season four, to
where they were like explainingshit, right, and before it was
called the Cram School it wascalled the Asylum and I thought

(58:31):
it was kind of interestingbecause, okay, on its own,
whatever right.
But the implication is imagine,uh, keep in mind, that demons
are a secret in this world.
Kind of like the same thingwith Jujutsu Kaisen Normal
humans can't see those curses InBlue Exorcist.

(58:53):
Normal humans can't see demons.
But if you get a temptate oryou get inflicted by a demon,
like scratch or something likethat, then you can see demons.
Right, that's how Yukio wasable to see demons at an early
age, because Rin, his twinbrother, gave him the temptate.
But that's beside the point.

(59:14):
What I'm getting at here isimagine that you're one of those
kids that accidentally gotscratched by a demon.
Now you can see demons, thatyou're one of those kids that
accidentally got scratched by ademon, now you can see demons.
And you're going fucking crazybecause you can see demons and
they're all like, hey yo, howabout we just go to this school,
to where you can learn how tofight against those demons and
protect yourself and your familyand your friends.

(59:36):
Oh yeah, that sounds reallygood, cool, cool, cool.
And you come to find out it'scalled the asylum, and I was
like it's kind of like theimplication that, um, you take
these um children to this place,um, where it's like, oh they
see, apparently they see demons,so you need to um help them and
um guide them, or not likealmost like implying that

(59:59):
they've gone crazy because theycan see things that normal
people don't see I mean normalpeople would consider that
probably kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
But I mean asylum could also mean, uh, you know, a
place of refuge or like a placeof protection, so like, and it
could be that they wereprotecting the kids, like
sending them there to the cramschool as a place to protect
them from like the outside world, putting them in an actual

(01:00:32):
asylum like no, they actuallycrazy.
We just gonna medicate them andleave them there, okay, cause
they still seeing stuff.
So I think they took it and waslike we're gonna call it.
At first they were like we'regonna call another asylum.
And then they started Buildingreal world asylums and they were

(01:00:52):
like Nah, nevermind, we mightwanna change.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Oh yeah, like it might have some Uh bad
implications, cause you knowlike we don't want any PTA
meetings, that's gonna get messy, like we're essentially calling
these parents kids crazy forjoining our school, so we just
gonna call it the cramp school.

(01:01:16):
You know, through Cramp Academy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Let's just go ahead and change that name, it's
almost like oh well, you know,through Cross Academy, let's
just go ahead and change thatname.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
It's almost like oh well, you know it was a
different time back then, likepeople didn't take things that
seriously, but you know it'sdifferent now, so you need to
call it something different sopeople don't think that we're
calling people with like specialneeds like crazy or whatnot.
You know you think mefisto namedthe school if he's the founder,

(01:01:57):
then, yes, let me check,because, uh, I don't think he's
the founder.
Then, yes, let me check,because I don't think he's the
founder.
But I'm going to check, justone moment.
He's the principal, for sure,yeah, but I don't know if he's

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the founder.
All we know is that, uh, it wascontrolled by him.
Uh, he is the chairman, but Idon't.
Hmm, yeah, I think it was a dualeffort.

(01:02:44):
Yeah, because, then again, outof all the demon kings, he is
the only one that Wants to, like, put demons in check.
I guess, um, not even that.

(01:03:04):
It's like the main thing.
Is he like earth culture somuch that he's willing to fight
against his own brethren just tohave his freedom in Asia?
Because, keep in mind, asia isthe human world and Gehenna is
essentially hell?
But, yeah, he wanted to stickaround in Asia, while, like,

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alright, well, I don't know, wasthere anything else?
That's true, yeah, that was Agood question, though, like, did
he?
Because, you know, sometimes theplot gets so convoluted Well,
it didn't really get convolutedthat much but like it gets so

(01:03:55):
layered that's what I meant itgets so layered to a point to
where, like, does it get deeperin this line Uh, who really set
up true cross Academy?
But, um, honestly I would sayit was.
It would be easier to say thatyeah, uh, mephisto did it,
because you know he has beenliving for hundreds, if not
thousands, of years, so it's notfar fetched for him to be the

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one to uh.
It's not far-fetched for him tobe the one to uh come up with
true cross academy, to uh raiseup exorcist to you know it's not
unheard of, especially I knowit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I know it's related to, like the, the organization
order, the true cross, which.
How did you feel about theorder?
Did you like?
Because I didn.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Did you like them Because?

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
I didn't really feel like they did nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Honestly, I feel like the order reminds me of some of
these organizations, kind oflike when we did the Bleachist
Room Reviews, where we kind ofliked the Solstice, you know, at
least the lieutenants, thecaptains, like the ones that we
know.
We liked them.
But at the same time it's likethey be treading these shades of

(01:05:06):
gray to where it's like they'renot exactly the uh goody
two-shoes that you would thinkthey were.
It's like they kind of getinvolved in some questionable
shit.
So it's like the order for mekind of felt like one of those
organizations where they tread ashade of gray to where they're

(01:05:28):
not the worst people out there.
But I I wouldn't blame you ifyou said that I don't fully
trust them.
I'm like, yeah, I guess I don'tblame you because they have a
tendency to make sure thatcertain information never see

(01:05:50):
the light of day and yeah,Almost like they knew something
that they're not telling us in away.
But yeah, for the most part Ican't really say I like the
order.
It oh, you know what.
It kind of reminds me.

(01:06:11):
We keep making parallels to allthese different anime, but it
just reminds me of whether itwas Jujutsu Kaisen with the way
their I don't know what theycall it in that universe again,
but the higher ups, the higherups really want Yuji dead.
They really couldn't stand thefact that this kid was still

(01:06:34):
alive.
But I kind of get it at thesame time.
So I can't really say I likethem, but I don't really hate
them either.
Same thing with naruto in thenaruto universe where like uh,
the hokage and anbu and all thatwas like yeah, like maybe not

(01:06:54):
the worst people, but when youhear about some of the shit that
they be doing behind closeddoors it's like okay, so they
kind of be on some suspiciousshit from time to time.
So that's really how I feelabout a lot of these
organizations like especiallyanime and whatnot, where, like
they say they mean well, butsome of the things they be up to

(01:07:17):
, uh-uh Maybe shady.
Yeah, like Shady, like no, no, Idon't know Like what you got
behind that door.
I'm like, don't worry aboutwhat's behind that door.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
You did, don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
The door is red hey, mind your business.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
First of all what is?
Your door purple and his dooris red.
What y'all got going on?
I want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
I'm hearing some strange noises behind that door.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
But yeah, I just was kind of I didn't feel like the
organization in Blue Exorcist, Ijust felt like they didn't
really do too much in mypersonal opinion, like I just
didn't feel like, you know, itwas definitely people I was
keeping an eye on because, I'llbe honest, that first meeting I
was like, oh no, y'allsuspicious, y'all trying to kill
him, ain't you, yeah, poisedyeah, it kind of really did feel

(01:08:16):
like uh, rin and the rest ofthem, like you know, the x wires
in the story was doing most ofthe work, while it just felt
like, um, true cross order kindof was like barking orders more
than anything, like some of themwere like treated as cannon

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fodder for any demon attacks andwhatnot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
You know, same thing with the blue knight, where you
just see a whole bunch of exes,just um dying, being engulfed in
flames and whatnot.
So, yeah, you're right, in away it just feels like the order
really didn't do anything otherthan make things more
complicated to where, like youknow, with Ren being the son of

(01:09:08):
Satan, it's almost like they'rejust there to be this
intentional obstruction to theplot being progressed too easily
.
You know, kind of like how youdon't want point a and point b

(01:09:28):
to be too straightforward towhere you got, um, have some
obstacles in a way to where,like, okay, you can't just do
whatever you want.
So I think that's what theorder is for, it's where.
I think that's what the orderis for, it's where, at the son
of Satan, um, we can't just letyou do whatever you want.
So we need to make sure there'ssome proper Restrictions and

(01:09:49):
protocol For you to be runningaround.
Same thing with Yuji, like hewas supposed to be Executed and
you just Kaizen.
But you know, gojo and the rest, like hey, yo, here is that he
might be an asset to us.
All right, fine, we'll test himout for a couple of months, but

(01:10:11):
like, if we don't see anyresults, then we're killing him,
like you know that sort of deal, like just there, just to be
there, uh, if not to make it alittle harder for our heroes to
do what they need to do that'sfair.
That's fair, they serve theirpurpose, I guess not exactly an

(01:10:35):
antagonist, but more like, uh,an obstacle to where, like, if
we made it too easy then, thenit won't be as entertaining.
Like we as an audience weprobably would have hated it if
our heroes were like juststeamrolling through everything
Like it's like there's nochallenge, like we know that

(01:10:58):
they're going to win nochallenge, like we know that
they're gonna win, like it justgets predictable to a point
where I'm like like, is thereeven any real stakes involved?
You know, but not uh, and blueexorcist is like, uh, there were
consequences, um, for anyactions that were deemed

(01:11:23):
suspicious.
You know.
Same thing with Yukio to wherehe shot Mephisto.
He got arrested immediately.
So I guess in a way, there'slike sex imbalances to these
sort of things where you justcan't be popping off and doing
whatever you want.
So in a way, I guess you couldsay the order is more like this

(01:11:44):
world's equivalent of policemen.
I mean, it also doesn't helpthat they all got the uniforms
and shit.
By the way, shura, shedefinitely puts that shit on
when she wears their uniform.
Oh, facts.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
But I feel like that shit on when she wears their
uniform.
Oh, facts, um, but I feel likethat you ain't wrong Facts, she
beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of digging the short hair.
The long hair was cool, but youknow, when she had long hair
she reminded me of Yoko Littnerfrom Girl of Gone.
But with short hair, like thelong hair was cool.
But uh, like you know, when shehad long hair she reminded me
of uh yoko litner from girl agon.
But the short hair, she shestill look good I mean, you know
, she mommy crazy enough whenshe was like wearing the uh
yukata, whatnot, and uh, beyondthe snow art, you know, uh

(01:12:37):
hachiro, like I was, wasthinking hold on, did her tits
get bitter?
In certain frames it lookedlike they just got Grandma
Tsunade.
No, it just felt like hold on,they're not that big.
Maybe it's just in that oneframe.

(01:12:59):
Did you want?

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
to take a nap.
Did what one frame like look,you know, take a nap do what now
?
Did you want to take a nap?
Oh are we doing this again?
Oh okay, oh okay.

(01:13:22):
But you're not wrong though.
I noticed that too.
I kind of peeped that I did, Iain't gonna even lie.
I was like Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
It was like Maybe he's just.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
I feel like it was the outfit.
I feel like they were trying Toemphasize the outfit.
You know, you know Cause someoutfits they make your boobs
Look different and then someoutfits they make them look.
You know, you know, becausesome outfits they make your
boobs look different and thensome outfits they make them look
.
You know, up there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
There was this one shot where, like she was wearing
like her usual getup and itjust felt like one of her boobs
was like kind of oddly shaped.
But then again it's like Iguess it was just um the way she
was like drawn in that shot.
Like I'm not gonna nitpick toomuch, but I'm just saying it's

(01:14:07):
like sometimes, um, the shapeand size kind of get exaggerated
here and there, uh, dependingon, uh, the frame of what
they're going for.
So like, yeah, like maybe itwas just drawn to look like that
at that one point, but itdidn't last long anyways, it was

(01:14:29):
like okay, so maybe it was theway she was just drawn to the
Ikara, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Yeah, facts.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Anything else about blue exorcist in general.
Well, hold on, since we'regonna talk about uniforms and
what not.
How about what she and me like?
She was wearing her kimonoyukata, whatever you wanna call
it like.
She was wearing that at firstand, by the way, she was a cute
kid like either way, but as soonas she started wearing her

(01:15:03):
school uniform, some of thedudes were like hold on, where
you hiding all that titty meatand thighs from?

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Oh my God.
Oh my God, did you just saytitty meat?

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
I did, I did.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
But you are so not wrong, cause when she was
wearing her little kimono it waslike aww.
And she put on that school, itwas like wait a minute.
It was like that's not the samegirl.
I honestly, I'm not gonna lieto you, I thought it was two
different people.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
You know what, jimmy?
I feel like that's very selfishof you On how I know all that
from us.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Oh my god, most definitely a little selfish.
Especially Rin confessing hisfeelings was really cute.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
That was so sweet.
I was like oh, my god, I ain'tgonna lie, it was adorable.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
I didn't read the last part yet, but I'm kinda
Hoping that, um, brandon andShami can be together.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
But I don't know it could go either way.
I feel like it's gettingcomplicated.
I feel like it's getting alittle complicated right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Well, yeah, it's true , but like I don't know, that
would be like wishful thinking,so we'll just have to see with
this final arc going forward.
Was there anything else?
I'm trying to think right nowbecause I don't want to sign off
and get something that I'llWell hold on.

(01:16:43):
Since we're talking aboutChiemi, I thought her situation
at first, when she was firstintroduced, was interesting
because she was inflicted by ademon when she decided to root
herself to her grandmother'sgarden, and a demon taking
advantage of a young girl'ssentimentality and the guilt she

(01:17:04):
and me felt for not being therefor her grandma sooner.
I thought it was kind ofinteresting there because like,
okay, she loved her grandma andlike she was just gonna go off
and like she wanted to traveland whatnot.
She didn't want to be confinedto the garden, but she felt bad

(01:17:25):
that the grapevine or whateverit was, fell on her and killed
her, and I was like, oh no, ifonly I was here sooner, I could
have saved her and whatnot.
Now you know, I'm just going tostay here forever.
And the demon showed up likeyes, good, let me stay here
forever.
And I was like I thought it waskind of like interesting
storytelling Right there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
It was really interesting because that's also
a very Humanistic issue.
Like many people struggle withthat, especially when their
parents get older.
Um, like, do I stay, do I go?
And the fact that it's a demon,that's like, yeah, no, stay
here.
Like it's almost as if, like,if you put that in real world

(01:18:10):
context, that's keeping you tieddown from exploring and like
figuring out who you are and allthose things.
Right it's.
It's kind of that was reallyinteresting.
That was really goodstorytelling and it's really
relatable, unlike, you know,just some of the other stories
that end up happening, but herswas really relatable.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
I think that's what makes her and Ren like a really
cute couple too, because herstory is so relatable and it's
so human and Rin is such theabnormal opposite end of that
and the way he found out wasjust such the opposite end, like
hers is such a sentimentalthing and it's very grounding,

(01:18:59):
and I think if there was anybodywho could keep him grounded
it'd probably be Shani yeah,like, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
For some reason I can't help but think um about
how I think Asta and what's herface would be a cute couple.
Um the Hewlett girl I forgother name.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Oh yeah, that would end up being really cute,
because I just don't see himwith what's her name?
Silverhead girl, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Oh well, you said I'm so wrong.
You mean Noelle, Nah, like Idon't think.
Nah, nah, nah, they're likesiblings.
Yeah, they're more like siblings.
It would have felt like thesame kind of vibe.
At best they work better ifthey have that same energy Ben

(01:19:48):
and Gwen Tennyson had.
At first they add each other'sthroats, but as they grow older
they're kind of cool with eachother.
Yeah, they still argue, butit's not like they're trying to
beat with each other.
Yeah, they still argue, butit's not like they're trying to
beat each other up or some shit.
They're not as childish with it, but it's more like they may

(01:20:09):
not see eye to eye all the time.
But I fuck with you though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel likethat's more of their
relationship, yeah nah, you knowwhat that's about it because,

(01:20:32):
honestly, with these reviews,I'm trying not to take away too
much of the actual watchingexperience, so I would just
encourage the listener to checkit out.
On Crunchyroll, I know I shouldhave said like a spoiler
warning, like wait or something,but like hey yo, spoiler alert.

(01:20:53):
Hey yo, like what are you doing, listening to us when you could
have watched the version andhear what we had to say about it
?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
But if this encourages you to watch it,
we're also glad.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
But you know what?
I'll just go ahead and close itout Right now as it stands,
because I would give it a 10 outof 10, but I'm mainly waiting
for this final arc to beanimated and then I'll be more
sure about the 10 out of 10, butit's at least a solid 9.

(01:21:36):
Like season 4 really brought itback for me.
Like I'm not, because the funnything is like I kind of skipped
over season three, like, uh, Imean, I did watch season three.
Don't get me wrong.
All I'm saying is like I didn'twatch it immediately.
Like I did season two to where,like when I heard season two
was being announced, like okay,that intrigued me enough to look

(01:21:59):
into it.
But, um, let's just say, withthe breaks and all this other
things that's going on withother anime things going on in
life, like I just didn't getaround to season three, like the
others.
But then I heard about seasonfour and I'm like, okay, hold on
.
Like y'all still going withthis, alright, let me just get

(01:22:20):
back into it.
So I refreshed and I'm like Iam so glad I picked this show
back up.
So now I cannot wait for thisfinal season Well season,
because you know, you know howit is nowadays with anime to
where it can never end on justone season going all the way

(01:22:47):
through.
It's got like have two or three.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
I swear to god, I get a movie.
I swear to god, I swear like oh, I get half a season and then a
movie.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
I'm gonna be so mad or you can be like demon player
to to where you're like.
Oh yeah, we're gonna split upthe final arc in three movies.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
That's exactly why I'm pissed.
That's exactly why I'm pissed.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
No, no, no.
Bleak Thousand Year Blood WarHaving like four parts of their
arc.
I'm like goddamn.
I thought See if they announceda part five on my dog, like how
long are y'all gonna milk thiscow?
It's like Attack on Titan where, like final season, final part,

(01:23:34):
no, no, nope, yeah, but uh,yeah, like it's like a four to
nine.
No, no, nope, yeah, but uh, yeah, like it's like a four, nine.
Right now I want to say a tenout of ten, but I just really
want to see how that last arcplays out before I give it ten
out of ten.
Um, but yeah, season fourdefinitely brought it back as

(01:23:57):
far as like okay, it wasdefinitely worth watching, even
if the start of it is like kindof slow.
But even then, the slow startis fair because it was mainly
geared towards the worldbuilding and character
development of the multiplecharacters that we were
introduced to.

(01:24:18):
So I did not mind that at all.
But uh, yeah, uh, you got arating, you got any last words
or something, anything, rating.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
I'm gonna give it a solid.
I'm gonna give it a solid 8 outof 10.
For right now, gotta wait forthat last season for me, um, and
I will say this it's worth thewatch, man.
Even season 2 is worth thewatch.
It's really good.
So if you haven't checked thisout, I highly recommend it,

(01:24:56):
especially in the currentclimate of anime.
If you're looking for somethingthat's like actually has some
really good storyline and isreally emotional, willing to be
emotionally invested in, it'sdefinitely Blue Exorcist right
now oh yeah, I want to say BlueExorcist has that same sauce

(01:25:18):
that a lot of popular animeshows have.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
That's why I would say Blue Exodus is one of those
examples of, I mean you couldsay it fell off ever since, like
you know, the gap betweenseason one and season two.
It was going to be one of thoseobscure animes where like okay,
it's good, but like not a wholelot of people talk about it
nowadays.
But then season two, three andfour brought it back into like

(01:25:46):
relevance and now it's like okay, we can now understand that
blue exorcist is like biggerthan what we, what it was, what
we thought it was, and that'swhat makes a lot of anime runs
like kind of how can I put this?
It's kind of disappointing anddisheartening when it seems like

(01:26:11):
, okay, I'm gonna put anime outthere and do well, because of
low viewership or low budget orwhatever the reason was.
And then you get into the mangaand you're like hold the fuck
on, how come we're not gettingall this anime, like all this

(01:26:34):
different cool shit that happensin the manga, like that didn't
happen in the anime yet and bylooks of, we're probably not
gonna get it because I guess thestudios were convinced that not
enough people wanted more.
So that's that's why I wassaying earlier, with instant

(01:26:56):
gratification versus delayedgratification, like we want the
good shit right up front, thatwe don't appreciate the delayed
gratification, to where all thegood shit sometimes wait until
like the later half, and by thetime you get all the good shit

(01:27:16):
in the first half and I mean youwould expect that, oh well,
it's supposed to keep ramping upfrom there, right, but it's not
that easy and I hope fans arenot forgetting that sometimes
these things are just not thateasy.
Like people make it sound like,oh, anybody can make a, make a

(01:27:47):
hit anime or whatnot.
Like, really, do you think it'sthat easy?
Um, probably not, but I don'tknow.
Like I feel like people arebeing a little too unfair to
where it's like, um, sometimesstorytelling takes a lot of time
and they say that that, oh well, you know there's like a
creative bankruptcy.
But like For a lot of y'allComplaining about, oh, how
things suck, it's kind of weirdthat y'all are barely doing

(01:28:10):
anything about it Exceptcomplaining.
But I don't know, maybe that'sjust me, blue Exorcist, I love
it, I love the direction that itwas going and I hope this final
Art of one claw Impresses me.
But um, until then, you knowwhat?

(01:28:32):
Let's just go ahead and, uh,close it out.
Uh, you sure you have any finalwords for us?
Wait, did you Not hear meearlier?
Oh, my bad, like I just want tomake sure because I didn't want
to make sure that you saideverything that you want to say.

(01:28:57):
Oh yeah, cool, cool, cool.
Yeah, I heard you say yourrating and what not, but like
sometimes I'll just be sayingshit and I hope I didn't like
cut you off or anything when Iwas trying you're good JB gotcha
alright.
Well, you know what, dearlistener, have yourself a good
morning, good afternoon, goodevening, or you know, whenever

(01:29:20):
you're listening to this episodeand ultimately, you just go
ahead and take it easy.