November 4, 2025 • 28 mins
A boom in play shouldn’t mean a spike in ER visits. We start with the surprising rise in pickleball injuries—especially eye trauma—and break down why close-court power shots, poor warmups, and casual “it’s just a game” habits lead to serious harm. We get practical about prevention: stretching, hydration, protective eyewear, and dialing down the aggro so a social match doesn’t become a medical bill.
The tone shifts oceanside with a harrowing Disney cruise story: a child fell through an open porthole after posing for a photo, and her father jumped in after her. We unpack the hard questions this raises about design standards, clear barriers, and parental assumptions. Safety on cruises—and in any public venue—depends on layered safeguards and unmistakable cues, so families aren’t left guessing where glass ends and open air begins.
Then we get urgent about the possible halt of SNAP benefits during a government shutdown. With tens of millions depending on food aid, delays would push families into impossible choices and cheaper, less healthy options. We talk time poverty, the myth that assistance funds “junk,” and why community support, nutrition education, and policy stability matter for real health outcomes and dignity.
We lift the mood with a story from Long Island, where more than a hundred teens rallied around a bullied boy for a supportive bike ride—proof that Gen Z and Gen Alpha often choose empathy at scale. To close, we break down the Drake vs Kendrick chapter that reached the courts: a judge dismissed Drake’s defamation suit against UMG over Not Like Us, framing it as opinion. We explore the blurry lines between art, brand, and law—and why the best response usually lives on the track, not in a filing.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:16):
Hello everyone.
Welcome to this week's episodeof Thirsty Topics.
I'm Lawrence El Rod.
SPEAKER_02 (00:21):
And I'm Meryl Climo.
SPEAKER_00 (00:23):
Hey Meryl, how are you?
SPEAKER_02 (00:25):
I'm doing so awesome.
How are you doing?
SPEAKER_00 (00:28):
I am doing fantastic.
Another week of craziness.
SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
I know.
SPEAKER_00 (00:34):
Well, we're gonna start off with something kind of
fun here.
I can't even believe this is astory, but it is.
Um, there has been a huge surgein pickleball injuries.
SPEAKER_02 (00:48):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
Pickleball injuries have surged as the sports
popularity growth.
With a recent estimate of over1,200 eye injuries in 2024, most
injuries are caused by being hitby the ball, followed by balls
and paddle strikes, resultingfrom common issues like uh
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corneal abrasions andlacerations.
Though more serious injuriessuch as orbital fractures and
retinal detachment have alsooccurred.
Experts are recommending thatthe governing body, USA
Pickleball, developevidence-based guidance for
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protective eyewear.
What's interesting about thisstory is one, I am really
shocked that these injuries arehappening.
So I saw some videos.
Now, pickleball, you're actuallya lot closer than tennis.
Okay, first of all.
Okay, I've never playedpickleball.
You know, I'll I'll put thatdisclosure out there, but you're
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relatively close.
And I see people hitting theball so hard, it's it's like
they're spiking a volleyball,they hit it so hard.
And I'm telling you, if I'm onlythree or four feet away from you
and you hit me that hard thatclose with ball, yeah, I'm gonna
be fighting.
SPEAKER_02 (02:11):
Uh you know, that's the pickleball is gonna be
somewhere where the sun doesn'tshine or like the racket or
whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
And when I saw this, Meryl, I was sitting there
thinking, what the hell's wrongwith these people?
SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
Yeah, yeah.
I I have a friend um whosehusband tore his Achilles heel
from playing pickleball.
And she it was so funny becauseshe was always complaining,
saying, and I I I feel like thismight be the case for a lot of
pickleballers, where like hewould go straight from work and
then it would he'd play like anhour of pickleball in the middle
of his workday, and she wouldalways say, like, you're not
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stretching, you're not takingany precaution, you know, you're
just like coming from work, youhave coffee, they're just
showing up and you're playingpickleball.
And and she was like, I don'tknow if she manifested it or
what happened, but um one day helike turned really fast and his
Achilles heel just like snappedand he had to have full surgery
and everything.
And I think I think maybe what'shappening too is a lot of people
are just like not treating it aslike a real athletic sport,
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they're just kind of treating itas something that you're doing
to like meet up with friendsafter work or in the middle of
the day.
SPEAKER_00 (03:13):
Yeah, that's true, but I I'm really shocked.
I mean, I don't even think Iheard this many injuries for
tennis, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (03:20):
Yeah, me too.
Because I feel like people takeit more seriously.
I cannot take whether it's pingpong or like pickleball, when
people are just as a joke, theylike slam the ball.
How you said I it's because Ifeel like injuries happen on
their own from just runningaround and turning and just
accidentally getting hit.
But like when you're people slamthe ball, that is I that is like
one of my pet peeves the most inthis holy world.
SPEAKER_00 (03:43):
So if you're like three feet away from your friend
and your friend hits that ballso hard it like hits you in the
eye and you have a black eye.
SPEAKER_02 (03:50):
Like, I'm not kidding, I seriously would
probably not like the personanymore.
Like our friendship would beended not only because of that
action, but just because thesomeone that does that is just
like not my type of person.
You know, like I don't reallywant to surround myself with
someone that is like that uhflagrant of a player.
SPEAKER_00 (04:08):
Yeah, I mean you even see it like when when older
men my age they play basketball,and for whatever reason they
think they're in the NBA,they're not.
And yeah, they ripped their, youknow, they they hurt their knee,
they ripped their their tendons,and it's like, dude, you know,
you you're not in the NBA.
Why are you taking this soseriously?
Relax, you know?
SPEAKER_02 (04:28):
Yeah.
I had a friend that signed avery single friend looking for
like a husband, and she signedup for pickleball because that's
what someone said.
Oh, that's where like the cuteguys are in like their 30s, and
it was her and like a bunch of80-year-old people, so she's
like, Well, I'm friends withthem all, but like maybe they
have a grandson, but it's allpeople in their 80s.
SPEAKER_00 (04:47):
I take it she's not 80, right?
SPEAKER_02 (04:49):
No, no, she's 32, looking for a husband.
But I mean, maybe that would beactually a very cute way of
meeting someone, is like theirgrandson, you know.
But but that's to say, too, it'slike these are people that
aren't really warming up for thesport, and like it might be the
only activity they do all weekis getting on the pickleball
court.
So I could see I can see whyinjuries happen.
SPEAKER_00 (05:09):
Yeah, that's true, that's true.
I just I I still just say it'sfor fun, you're not getting paid
for it, relax, enjoy the game.
SPEAKER_02 (05:19):
Exactly.
Just have it.
I feel like that's what makestennis fun too, is just when you
have like a nice volley.
To me, it's like that's what'sfun about the game.
The same as ping pong.
I just like the people that haveto make it into like this weird
aggro thing that just ruinseverything.
SPEAKER_00 (05:35):
I agree, I agree.
So next time you playpickleball, Meryl, you know,
have you got fun.
SPEAKER_02 (05:41):
Exactly.
Well, with every sport, I'm likeso cautious.
That's why I I used to skigrowing up and I just can't do
it anymore because I'm too muchof a hazard to like myself and
other people, where I'll just bebarreling down the mountain
screaming like I'm out ofcontrol.
So so I only stick likepickleball would be something I
would do, but with someone thatwas like, okay, let's go slowly
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and like safely.
You know.
But it's and stretch and drinkwater.
That's I feel like everyoneshould do that whenever you're
about to do something athletic.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
I agree a hundred percent on that.
SPEAKER_02 (06:14):
Yep.
Um, well, Disney this past monthhas definitely been having its
own, not only with like theJimmy Kimmel Disney stuff, but
then Disneyland and DisneyWorld, there was like an older
woman that passed away insidethe haunted horror thing here in
Disneyland, and thenunfortunately there was just
someone that took their own lifeum at Disney World who jumped
out of a window thing.
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That's a whole separate thing.
But now uh a young girl who fellout of a Disney dream cruise was
told by her mom to pose in frontof an open porthole, cop said.
Um, a five-year-old girl whoplummeted 50 feet into the ocean
off of a Disney cruise ship wasasked to pose in front of a port
uh porthole by her mother justmoments earlier.
And uh her father dove in afterher, which like totally a hero,
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you know.
What father wouldn't do that?
And um he lifted his daughter upon the railing before she
slipped.
And I just think, I mean, thatdefinitely is a lawsuit waiting
to happen if there's like anopen porthole or something, you
know.
But I just think people need tobe more careful on on cruises.
But I mean, what are the chancesyou don't really think you're
gonna fall?
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Like, I understand people thinknot to jump off, but like
falling through a porthole isnot really an expected thing.
SPEAKER_00 (07:27):
No, and and the thing is, is too, is that must
have been one large porthole fora child to just fall right
through it.
SPEAKER_02 (07:34):
Yeah, well, um except for like a five-year-old,
you know, can like squeeze in,like she probably was really
little.
Um, and then at first, criminalcharges were recommended against
the mother, but then afterfinding the incident, it didn't
equate to any like negligence oranything.
And so, um, I mean, if that'strue, and it's the Disney crew's
fault, talk about that girl'snow set up for college and
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beyond Disney University.
SPEAKER_00 (07:59):
That's true.
I mean, do I think the mom didit personally?
No, I don't.
I I think it was I think it wasmaybe not the greatest idea in
the world, but obviously she didnot, you know, meant to cause
harm to her child.
But you know, it's just somethings is like I don't know.
I don't I still say the commonsense thing just kind of kicked.
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It's almost like when you seepeople and they still do it
today, go to a gas station, theyfill the car up with key and
ignition, oh yeah, and thensomeone jumps in and drives off
with your vehicle.
SPEAKER_02 (08:35):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:36):
It's like this has been happening for how long now?
SPEAKER_02 (08:39):
And you still I know yes, I just I think all of us
are so like just overloaded withemails and phones and everything
that it's we need to like justtake a minute and be like, what
am I doing in this world?
Okay, like calm down.
Um, it also said the mom assumedthat the porthole had a window
or plexiglass, and she thoughtthat her daughter would be
caught by the glass, but insteadshe kept falling.
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But it's like, why would youeven think that like a glass is
gonna catch your daughter?
SPEAKER_00 (09:05):
You know the crazy thing is I kind of was feeling
sorry for her at first beforeyou said it.
SPEAKER_02 (09:10):
Yeah, exactly.
It said she was walking alongthe deck when the mom pointed to
the opening and offered for herdaughter to take a picture in
the porthole.
SPEAKER_01 (09:20):
Okay now.
SPEAKER_02 (09:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
That changes a little bit.
SPEAKER_02 (09:24):
Yeah, so it's just I don't want to say stupidity
because I don't know if the Idon't not say the mom is stupid,
but we all do stupid things, youknow, like it was it was a
stupid moment and somethinghappened.
SPEAKER_00 (09:35):
Yeah, I don't think I would be putting my child in a
porthole.
SPEAKER_02 (09:40):
No, but you know lawyers and attorneys are
clamoring to like be on the onthe team of the parents because
they probably do have like atleast maybe not even a lawsuit,
but Disney will probably settlewith them for like a big chunk.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
As large as Disney is, I'm quite sure they've
already settled that very fast.
SPEAKER_02 (09:57):
For sure.
Yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_00 (10:00):
Wow.
That's interesting.
I did not know that part of it.
SPEAKER_02 (10:04):
It's like go there, the glass will catch you.
SPEAKER_00 (10:09):
Well, um, something that I do want to bring up
that's really not a funnymatter, it's actually pretty
sad.
Um, and this is based onunfortunately things going on um
with the government shutdownright now.
So millions of Americans are atrisk of losing their SNAP
benefits.
Um SNAP benefits um is anotherway of saying food stamps, you
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know, that's what they call itnow.
So starting November 1st, if thegovernment shutdown continues,
the USDA may not have enoughfunding to disperse um them uh
the people that's on on the SNAPprogram.
States has started warningresidents with some potentially
halting November paymentsentirely.
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Oh my gosh, as the shutdown isresolved, recipients should
immediately seek local foodbanks and community support and
ensure that all of theirpersonal information is updated
with their state SNAP program.
And the sad part about this,Merle, is that approximately 42
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million Americans or about oneeighth uh one in eight people
are at the risk of losing foodassistance.
SPEAKER_02 (11:28):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, that's so sad.
I mean, I know a few months agowe talked about the fact that
some people are having to puttheir meals on like payment
plans, you know, just to evenhave dinner, they have to like
put it on Klorna or something.
And I think just to cut it forno reason, that's not solving
any issues, like of what I feellike it's not doing what they
think it's doing.
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And like that's also not helpingpeople get back on their feet
and like find a full-time job ifthey don't have one, or even
with full-time jobs, people thathave like a family of four, it's
still so so so expensive.
Like this everyone I know, evenlike families that are making
like normal livings andfull-time, it's just it's like
so expensive.
I definitely feel it at thegrocery store too.
It's just it's so scary.
SPEAKER_00 (12:09):
This would be catastrophic because um there's
a lot of people that the snapprogram literally is their
lifeline for food.
SPEAKER_02 (12:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
And now you're gonna have a situation where you could
potentially push a lot ofAmericans in the poverty level
without having a snap programand also having to make a
decision.
Do I keep the lights on?
Do I put food on the table?
SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
I know, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
Or do I put food on the table?
Yeah, no one should have to makethat decision for their family.
No one.
SPEAKER_02 (12:42):
Totally.
And I think it also doesn't helpmake America healthier, too,
which I know is whole the theywant to make America healthy
again, quote unquote, because Ifeel like people are going to
the first thing that's gonnahappen is they're going to like
opt more for fast food or likereally cheap things, you know.
And I I think there's like thismisnomer that people that use
food stamps are using it forlike only Cheetos or, you know,
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just like kind of trashier food,but I don't I think that's
farthest from the case.
I feel like a lot of people arebuying like pantry items and
healthy things that they need tofeed their families.
So I think one of the thingsthat's gonna happen is people
are going to go to likeMcDonald's and Taco Bell and the
cheap options more frequently,and then that's going to make
everyone like a just an evensicker nation.
SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
I totally agree with that.
And and the other thing too isunfortunately you're gonna start
seeing a lot more theft, a lotmore shoplifting now because
people they don't have thebenefits, they don't have the
money, and they need to feedit's it's a it's a tough
situation, it's a really toughsituation.
SPEAKER_02 (13:43):
I know it's so weird.
Like, I just I mean, I knowthat's like a socialist economy,
but I feel like we should beentitled if you pay taxes to
just like a hundred dollarsworth of like fresh fruits and
vegetables like a month orsomething, you know what I mean?
And the I don't know, it seemslike if you're like a citizen
living here, you should havelike some access of like, oh
okay, I get like this manyfruits and vegetables that I can
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go and like pick up a month orwhatever.
SPEAKER_00 (14:07):
Oh, yeah.
And and the sad part is Merle,is lawmakers still get paid
while the shutdown goes on.
Then you have the constructionhappening at the White House,
which is a whole different storyall by itself.
That's still going on right now,even though it is a government
shutdown.
So it's it's kind of like, youknow, and then plus, you know,
again, there's a lot of peoplethat have strong opinions on
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both sides of the uh of theaisle when it comes to the ice
agents and stuff, but that's notfree to have them, you know,
spread out coming into citiesand stuff like that.
That's not free.
So you're literally spendinghundreds, even billions of
dollars on all these differentthings, but then you'll turn
around in the same breath tosay, well, we don't have money
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for this and money for that.
That gets old after a while.
SPEAKER_02 (14:52):
Yep, I agree.
Yeah, I think it's I think it'svery beneficial to have that.
And I think the more educationwe can do, teach everyone, like
no matter what income, of how tolike use fruits and vegetables
and potatoes and onions and morewhole foods.
And in the long run, like that,those actually are way cheaper
than like fast food, you know.
But we just have to learn a lotof people don't know how to make
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it or don't have the time.
And a lot of these people areworking full-time and like
taking the bus to their job andtaking it back, and then you
don't have time to come home andlike make a be chopping onions
for an hour if you have likekids or whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
That is so true.
That is so true.
But man, I I I hope it doesn'tcome to that.
But I mean, it's already the thetwin, you know, we're already
towards the end of October, soit's not looking good at all,
you know.
SPEAKER_02 (15:40):
I know.
I don't know how, but during thepandemic, like they just gave me
snap.
I was just getting random, likeI was on unemployment because my
our radio job had just ended,and then I don't know like what
happened, but they also werelike, now you're receiving this,
and then it was like a two-monthmistake or something.
Then I have to say I did notpeople I don't have kids or
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whatever, so and I was gettinglike weird stimulus checks and
everything, so I did not use itvery well.
I think I didn't go to WholeFoods and like buy a lobster and
stuff.
So I I am part of the problem,but I feel like normally nice
people use it very uh when theyneed it, you know, for their
kids and their family.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
Wow.
So did the system you withoutyou asking for it?
SPEAKER_02 (16:19):
Yeah, I like I think it was just something like when
I got set up with unemployment,I don't know what happened, but
it was just like during the stimor during the pandemic, you know
that part where like thestimulus checks were coming and
then they were like, and you'regetting another 1500.
We don't know why.
And so I I should have saved it,but I remember getting a card in
the mail, and then I'm like,what is this?
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And then I went to the grocerystore and I was able to use it,
but okay, hey.
That was the best, it was thebest like two months of my life,
but then uh then I was like,okay, it got taken away.
Well, that is serious, and Ihope it um changes, or I hope
people step in.
And but I have some some goodnews for us is that um on Long
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Island in New York, more than ahundred teens rallied around um
a young boy named Tyler RocheTilden for a bike ride to
remember after he was bullied.
I thought this was a cute littlelike extra dose of sweetness
that uh, you know, just when wethink teens are bad and bully
each other, this was a goodstory.
So he um he was bullied andneeded extra kindness, and I
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think a lot of teens just likeinstead of piling on, they
surrounded him and cheered himon.
Um, and he was, you know, he didhis bike ride, but I think
that's extra cute.
SPEAKER_00 (17:36):
That is a great story.
SPEAKER_02 (17:38):
Yeah.
So I I think sometimes like thenew generation, like Gen Z and
whatever Gen Alpha, whatever isafter them.
I think they can surprise us inreally good ways because I do
think they're exposed to like somuch of good and bad that I
think they can quickly like havepersonalities and make opinions.
And I think I don't know,sometimes like they they act
even better than we do.
SPEAKER_00 (18:00):
I agree, I agree, and you know, we do need to see
some kindness in the world withall the craziness going on.
SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
Yeah, I've noticed that too.
TikTok, like the young, youngpeople, they don't stand for
like bullying and meanness.
Like, I think our generation,like the millennials, can
sometimes have a very sarcasticsense of humor or we're kind of
like snarky to each other, butthe young people are like very
nice.
Like I've seen uh the other daythere was like a very overweight
woman dancing in the mirror, andshe was kind of like, I feel
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ashamed of doing this, so I justwanted to dance.
And like the younger people wereso so so nice to her.
So um, if anything, theirsensitivity helps in that realm.
SPEAKER_00 (18:38):
That's true.
Do you think we're gonna see uhmaybe more stories like this
with all the craziness going on?
SPEAKER_02 (18:44):
I do, I definitely do.
What do you think?
SPEAKER_00 (18:48):
I hope so.
Because um you know, with allthe stuff, Chris, we need to
balance the news out with somegood, some good topics to talk
about, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (18:56):
Yeah, and maybe the trope of like the geeky person
at high school gets bullied,maybe that was like leaving with
our generations, and maybe nowit's a new one.
SPEAKER_00 (19:06):
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
But I do have to say we havebeen seeing this coming up quite
a bit, you know, good storieslike this.
So I would just say let's justkeep it keep them going, you
know.
SPEAKER_02 (19:16):
Exactly.
If anything, the young peopleare just bullying the
millennials, not each other,they're nice to each other,
they're just mean to us.
SPEAKER_00 (19:24):
Well, the last topic of the day is very interesting.
Um, a judge dismisses Drake'slawsuit against his own record
label.
So, are you watching the the thethe uh keeping up with the
Drake, Lamar Kendrick uh beefthat's going on?
SPEAKER_02 (19:44):
Um, okay, once again, very unpopular take.
Very, very I am I know I'munpopular take, but I did I'm
like a little bit more teamDrake, don't be mad at me.
But like I especially I did notthink Kendrick did that well,
the Super Bowl.
I understand the good parts ofit and that it was very
significant in many differentways, but like performance-wise,
I just wasn't a fan.
Um I know this is people aregonna not like me for this, so I
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don't know.
I'm kind of secretly rooting forDrake.
SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
Well, a federal judge has dismissed Drake's
defamation lawsuit againstUniversal Music Group over
Kendrick Lamar's hit this track,Not Like Us.
The ruling marks the legalculmination of a prolific feud
between Drake and Lamar thatspanned much of 2024 when the
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two rappers dropped a slew oftracks aimed at each other.
In January, Drake, whose realname is R.B.
Drake Graham, sued his recordlabel in the U.S.
District Court for of theSouthern District of New York,
accusing UMG of defaming him bypromoting Not Like Us, which
contains lyrics accusing Drakeof being a pedophile.
(20:57):
Uh Lamar was not named as adefendant in the lawsuit.
Um G, which represents bothDrake and Lamar through
different divisions, fired firedback in March with a motion to
dismiss, claiming the suit wasno more than Drake's attempt to
save face for his unsuccessfulrap battle with Lamar.
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In her decision on Thursday,U.S.
District Judge Jeanette Vargasgranted the record labels motion
to dismiss, stating that thealleged defamant uh defamatory
statements in Not Like Us arenon-actionable opinion.
Now, what's interesting aboutthis beefs between rappers and
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artists have been going on foryears.
Um what was interesting about itwhen when Not Like Us came out,
I was probably one of the veryfew people that knew it was a
diss track, to be honest withyou.
Really?
Until it started getting, youknow, a lot of uh a lot of talk
for the Super Bowl.
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But it is one of those thingswhere you know, if you have a
diss track and you're going backand forth, you really can't sue
anybody because you don't likethe records, you know what I
mean?
SPEAKER_02 (22:11):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I think this does make Drakelike suing does make him look
like a little, you know what,like especially the people that
don't like him, they're like,oh, go cry about it.
You're gonna like sue me insteadof you know working it out in
the remix, as they say.
Um, I feel like I feel bad forDrake for this one because I
mean everyone was like piling onhim and just kind of weird.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
Yeah, and and you know, it's one of those things
where sometimes you get the bestof a person, sometimes they get
the best of you.
SPEAKER_02 (22:43):
I know.
I I feel like both of them arevery talented and smart, and
probably both of them have likeskeletons in their closet and
are probably not what we thinkgood for worse for better and
worse in the public eye.
You know what I mean?
Like Kendrick is not like aangel savior person, the way
like it I feel like it's notgood versus evil.
It's like two artists thatprobably have like nuanced
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lines.
SPEAKER_00 (23:06):
It seems like since they had this beef though, you
haven't really seen anythingfrom Drake, or you know, Drake's
been kind of low-key.
SPEAKER_02 (23:13):
Maybe it's just I know I think he's been like
touring in different countriesand stuff.
He had to leave America.
SPEAKER_00 (23:21):
Well, he could say face and say, Well, you know,
I'm not really from America,he's a Canadian, so he could say
face and say that.
SPEAKER_02 (23:26):
Exactly.
And it's probably because like Iam coming from the perspective,
like of I am like an annoyingwhite girl, that I think to me,
like Drake has more.
I know I understand Kendrick isprobably like the better
musician and all around thebetter lyricist, blah blah blah.
But like to me, like Drake hasmore music outside of this beef
that like I would listen to, orthat you know, but that's
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expected with like myannoyingness.
SPEAKER_00 (23:51):
Yeah, I I I I just wonder how awkward it is now
that you've sued your label.
That's you know, you still can'tfind it now, you know what I
mean?
That's gonna be an awkward, youknow, type of situation.
SPEAKER_02 (24:02):
Exactly.
And and I do think like callingsomeone like a pedophile or
something is that is likeslander.
That is so I wonder if there'sdifferent workarounds, but then
when you're doing it in music, Iwonder if there's like a clause
that it's like, oh, if you'reexpressing yourself or he didn't
fully come out and say his name,so like how would he know it's
exactly about him?
You know, who knows?
SPEAKER_00 (24:21):
That's true, or what you could do is just find a uh
an excellent record producer andthen go out right back at them,
you know.
SPEAKER_02 (24:27):
I know, and it's crazy too because it's like
everyone, both of them probablywant the last word, but like I
think at this point, like justlet the beef fly into the world
and you know end peacefully.
SPEAKER_00 (24:38):
That is true, that is true.
But talk about the world.
What's going on with you, Meryl?
What do you have coming up?
SPEAKER_02 (24:45):
Yeah, okay.
I know I keep promoting this,but I mean, if you're not Drake
or Kendrick, you have to promoteyour own shows.
So I'm looking to have beef withanyone, but I don't have it.
Um, October 29th at the La JollaComedy Store, and it's a pretty
funny witches show.
SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
So yes.
Well, if you're in the area,make sure you come out and
support Merle.
She would definitely appreciateit.
So much.
So I want to thank everyone forwatching our show and listening
to us on podcast.
Make sure that you tell everyonewho we are and follow us as
well.
I'm Lawrence Elrod.
SPEAKER_02 (25:20):
And I'm Meryl Climo.
SPEAKER_00 (25:22):
Take care, everyone.
unknown (25:23):
Bye bye.
Hello everyone.
Welcome to this week's episodeof Thirsty Topics.
I'm Lawrence El Rod.
SPEAKER_02 (00:21):
And I'm Meryl Climo.
SPEAKER_00 (00:23):
Hey Meryl, how are you?
SPEAKER_02 (00:25):
I'm doing so awesome.
How are you doing?
SPEAKER_00 (00:28):
I am doing fantastic.
Another week of craziness.
SPEAKER_02 (00:32):
I know.
SPEAKER_00 (00:34):
Well, we're gonna start off with something kind of
fun here.
I can't even believe this is astory, but it is.
Um, there has been a huge surgein pickleball injuries.
SPEAKER_02 (00:48):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
Pickleball injuries have surged as the sports
popularity growth.
With a recent estimate of over1,200 eye injuries in 2024, most
injuries are caused by being hitby the ball, followed by balls
and paddle strikes, resultingfrom common issues like uh
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corneal abrasions andlacerations.
Though more serious injuriessuch as orbital fractures and
retinal detachment have alsooccurred.
Experts are recommending thatthe governing body, USA
Pickleball, developevidence-based guidance for
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protective eyewear.
What's interesting about thisstory is one, I am really
shocked that these injuries arehappening.
So I saw some videos.
Now, pickleball, you're actuallya lot closer than tennis.
Okay, first of all.
Okay, I've never playedpickleball.
You know, I'll I'll put thatdisclosure out there, but you're
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relatively close.
And I see people hitting theball so hard, it's it's like
they're spiking a volleyball,they hit it so hard.
And I'm telling you, if I'm onlythree or four feet away from you
and you hit me that hard thatclose with ball, yeah, I'm gonna
be fighting.
SPEAKER_02 (02:11):
Uh you know, that's the pickleball is gonna be
somewhere where the sun doesn'tshine or like the racket or
whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
And when I saw this, Meryl, I was sitting there
thinking, what the hell's wrongwith these people?
SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
Yeah, yeah.
I I have a friend um whosehusband tore his Achilles heel
from playing pickleball.
And she it was so funny becauseshe was always complaining,
saying, and I I I feel like thismight be the case for a lot of
pickleballers, where like hewould go straight from work and
then it would he'd play like anhour of pickleball in the middle
of his workday, and she wouldalways say, like, you're not
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stretching, you're not takingany precaution, you know, you're
just like coming from work, youhave coffee, they're just
showing up and you're playingpickleball.
And and she was like, I don'tknow if she manifested it or
what happened, but um one day helike turned really fast and his
Achilles heel just like snappedand he had to have full surgery
and everything.
And I think I think maybe what'shappening too is a lot of people
are just like not treating it aslike a real athletic sport,
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they're just kind of treating itas something that you're doing
to like meet up with friendsafter work or in the middle of
the day.
SPEAKER_00 (03:13):
Yeah, that's true, but I I'm really shocked.
I mean, I don't even think Iheard this many injuries for
tennis, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (03:20):
Yeah, me too.
Because I feel like people takeit more seriously.
I cannot take whether it's pingpong or like pickleball, when
people are just as a joke, theylike slam the ball.
How you said I it's because Ifeel like injuries happen on
their own from just runningaround and turning and just
accidentally getting hit.
But like when you're people slamthe ball, that is I that is like
one of my pet peeves the most inthis holy world.
SPEAKER_00 (03:43):
So if you're like three feet away from your friend
and your friend hits that ballso hard it like hits you in the
eye and you have a black eye.
SPEAKER_02 (03:50):
Like, I'm not kidding, I seriously would
probably not like the personanymore.
Like our friendship would beended not only because of that
action, but just because thesomeone that does that is just
like not my type of person.
You know, like I don't reallywant to surround myself with
someone that is like that uhflagrant of a player.
SPEAKER_00 (04:08):
Yeah, I mean you even see it like when when older
men my age they play basketball,and for whatever reason they
think they're in the NBA,they're not.
And yeah, they ripped their, youknow, they they hurt their knee,
they ripped their their tendons,and it's like, dude, you know,
you you're not in the NBA.
Why are you taking this soseriously?
Relax, you know?
SPEAKER_02 (04:28):
Yeah.
I had a friend that signed avery single friend looking for
like a husband, and she signedup for pickleball because that's
what someone said.
Oh, that's where like the cuteguys are in like their 30s, and
it was her and like a bunch of80-year-old people, so she's
like, Well, I'm friends withthem all, but like maybe they
have a grandson, but it's allpeople in their 80s.
SPEAKER_00 (04:47):
I take it she's not 80, right?
SPEAKER_02 (04:49):
No, no, she's 32, looking for a husband.
But I mean, maybe that would beactually a very cute way of
meeting someone, is like theirgrandson, you know.
But but that's to say, too, it'slike these are people that
aren't really warming up for thesport, and like it might be the
only activity they do all weekis getting on the pickleball
court.
So I could see I can see whyinjuries happen.
SPEAKER_00 (05:09):
Yeah, that's true, that's true.
I just I I still just say it'sfor fun, you're not getting paid
for it, relax, enjoy the game.
SPEAKER_02 (05:19):
Exactly.
Just have it.
I feel like that's what makestennis fun too, is just when you
have like a nice volley.
To me, it's like that's what'sfun about the game.
The same as ping pong.
I just like the people that haveto make it into like this weird
aggro thing that just ruinseverything.
SPEAKER_00 (05:35):
I agree, I agree.
So next time you playpickleball, Meryl, you know,
have you got fun.
SPEAKER_02 (05:41):
Exactly.
Well, with every sport, I'm likeso cautious.
That's why I I used to skigrowing up and I just can't do
it anymore because I'm too muchof a hazard to like myself and
other people, where I'll just bebarreling down the mountain
screaming like I'm out ofcontrol.
So so I only stick likepickleball would be something I
would do, but with someone thatwas like, okay, let's go slowly
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and like safely.
You know.
But it's and stretch and drinkwater.
That's I feel like everyoneshould do that whenever you're
about to do something athletic.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
I agree a hundred percent on that.
SPEAKER_02 (06:14):
Yep.
Um, well, Disney this past monthhas definitely been having its
own, not only with like theJimmy Kimmel Disney stuff, but
then Disneyland and DisneyWorld, there was like an older
woman that passed away insidethe haunted horror thing here in
Disneyland, and thenunfortunately there was just
someone that took their own lifeum at Disney World who jumped
out of a window thing.
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That's a whole separate thing.
But now uh a young girl who fellout of a Disney dream cruise was
told by her mom to pose in frontof an open porthole, cop said.
Um, a five-year-old girl whoplummeted 50 feet into the ocean
off of a Disney cruise ship wasasked to pose in front of a port
uh porthole by her mother justmoments earlier.
And uh her father dove in afterher, which like totally a hero,
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you know.
What father wouldn't do that?
And um he lifted his daughter upon the railing before she
slipped.
And I just think, I mean, thatdefinitely is a lawsuit waiting
to happen if there's like anopen porthole or something, you
know.
But I just think people need tobe more careful on on cruises.
But I mean, what are the chancesyou don't really think you're
gonna fall?
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Like, I understand people thinknot to jump off, but like
falling through a porthole isnot really an expected thing.
SPEAKER_00 (07:27):
No, and and the thing is, is too, is that must
have been one large porthole fora child to just fall right
through it.
SPEAKER_02 (07:34):
Yeah, well, um except for like a five-year-old,
you know, can like squeeze in,like she probably was really
little.
Um, and then at first, criminalcharges were recommended against
the mother, but then afterfinding the incident, it didn't
equate to any like negligence oranything.
And so, um, I mean, if that'strue, and it's the Disney crew's
fault, talk about that girl'snow set up for college and
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beyond Disney University.
SPEAKER_00 (07:59):
That's true.
I mean, do I think the mom didit personally?
No, I don't.
I I think it was I think it wasmaybe not the greatest idea in
the world, but obviously she didnot, you know, meant to cause
harm to her child.
But you know, it's just somethings is like I don't know.
I don't I still say the commonsense thing just kind of kicked.
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It's almost like when you seepeople and they still do it
today, go to a gas station, theyfill the car up with key and
ignition, oh yeah, and thensomeone jumps in and drives off
with your vehicle.
SPEAKER_02 (08:35):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:36):
It's like this has been happening for how long now?
SPEAKER_02 (08:39):
And you still I know yes, I just I think all of us
are so like just overloaded withemails and phones and everything
that it's we need to like justtake a minute and be like, what
am I doing in this world?
Okay, like calm down.
Um, it also said the mom assumedthat the porthole had a window
or plexiglass, and she thoughtthat her daughter would be
caught by the glass, but insteadshe kept falling.
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But it's like, why would youeven think that like a glass is
gonna catch your daughter?
SPEAKER_00 (09:05):
You know the crazy thing is I kind of was feeling
sorry for her at first beforeyou said it.
SPEAKER_02 (09:10):
Yeah, exactly.
It said she was walking alongthe deck when the mom pointed to
the opening and offered for herdaughter to take a picture in
the porthole.
SPEAKER_01 (09:20):
Okay now.
SPEAKER_02 (09:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
That changes a little bit.
SPEAKER_02 (09:24):
Yeah, so it's just I don't want to say stupidity
because I don't know if the Idon't not say the mom is stupid,
but we all do stupid things, youknow, like it was it was a
stupid moment and somethinghappened.
SPEAKER_00 (09:35):
Yeah, I don't think I would be putting my child in a
porthole.
SPEAKER_02 (09:40):
No, but you know lawyers and attorneys are
clamoring to like be on the onthe team of the parents because
they probably do have like atleast maybe not even a lawsuit,
but Disney will probably settlewith them for like a big chunk.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
As large as Disney is, I'm quite sure they've
already settled that very fast.
SPEAKER_02 (09:57):
For sure.
Yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_00 (10:00):
Wow.
That's interesting.
I did not know that part of it.
SPEAKER_02 (10:04):
It's like go there, the glass will catch you.
SPEAKER_00 (10:09):
Well, um, something that I do want to bring up
that's really not a funnymatter, it's actually pretty
sad.
Um, and this is based onunfortunately things going on um
with the government shutdownright now.
So millions of Americans are atrisk of losing their SNAP
benefits.
Um SNAP benefits um is anotherway of saying food stamps, you
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know, that's what they call itnow.
So starting November 1st, if thegovernment shutdown continues,
the USDA may not have enoughfunding to disperse um them uh
the people that's on on the SNAPprogram.
States has started warningresidents with some potentially
halting November paymentsentirely.
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Oh my gosh, as the shutdown isresolved, recipients should
immediately seek local foodbanks and community support and
ensure that all of theirpersonal information is updated
with their state SNAP program.
And the sad part about this,Merle, is that approximately 42
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million Americans or about oneeighth uh one in eight people
are at the risk of losing foodassistance.
SPEAKER_02 (11:28):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, that's so sad.
I mean, I know a few months agowe talked about the fact that
some people are having to puttheir meals on like payment
plans, you know, just to evenhave dinner, they have to like
put it on Klorna or something.
And I think just to cut it forno reason, that's not solving
any issues, like of what I feellike it's not doing what they
think it's doing.
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And like that's also not helpingpeople get back on their feet
and like find a full-time job ifthey don't have one, or even
with full-time jobs, people thathave like a family of four, it's
still so so so expensive.
Like this everyone I know, evenlike families that are making
like normal livings andfull-time, it's just it's like
so expensive.
I definitely feel it at thegrocery store too.
It's just it's so scary.
SPEAKER_00 (12:09):
This would be catastrophic because um there's
a lot of people that the snapprogram literally is their
lifeline for food.
SPEAKER_02 (12:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
And now you're gonna have a situation where you could
potentially push a lot ofAmericans in the poverty level
without having a snap programand also having to make a
decision.
Do I keep the lights on?
Do I put food on the table?
SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
I know, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
Or do I put food on the table?
Yeah, no one should have to makethat decision for their family.
No one.
SPEAKER_02 (12:42):
Totally.
And I think it also doesn't helpmake America healthier, too,
which I know is whole the theywant to make America healthy
again, quote unquote, because Ifeel like people are going to
the first thing that's gonnahappen is they're going to like
opt more for fast food or likereally cheap things, you know.
And I I think there's like thismisnomer that people that use
food stamps are using it forlike only Cheetos or, you know,
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just like kind of trashier food,but I don't I think that's
farthest from the case.
I feel like a lot of people arebuying like pantry items and
healthy things that they need tofeed their families.
So I think one of the thingsthat's gonna happen is people
are going to go to likeMcDonald's and Taco Bell and the
cheap options more frequently,and then that's going to make
everyone like a just an evensicker nation.
SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
I totally agree with that.
And and the other thing too isunfortunately you're gonna start
seeing a lot more theft, a lotmore shoplifting now because
people they don't have thebenefits, they don't have the
money, and they need to feedit's it's a it's a tough
situation, it's a really toughsituation.
SPEAKER_02 (13:43):
I know it's so weird.
Like, I just I mean, I knowthat's like a socialist economy,
but I feel like we should beentitled if you pay taxes to
just like a hundred dollarsworth of like fresh fruits and
vegetables like a month orsomething, you know what I mean?
And the I don't know, it seemslike if you're like a citizen
living here, you should havelike some access of like, oh
okay, I get like this manyfruits and vegetables that I can
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go and like pick up a month orwhatever.
SPEAKER_00 (14:07):
Oh, yeah.
And and the sad part is Merle,is lawmakers still get paid
while the shutdown goes on.
Then you have the constructionhappening at the White House,
which is a whole different storyall by itself.
That's still going on right now,even though it is a government
shutdown.
So it's it's kind of like, youknow, and then plus, you know,
again, there's a lot of peoplethat have strong opinions on
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both sides of the uh of theaisle when it comes to the ice
agents and stuff, but that's notfree to have them, you know,
spread out coming into citiesand stuff like that.
That's not free.
So you're literally spendinghundreds, even billions of
dollars on all these differentthings, but then you'll turn
around in the same breath tosay, well, we don't have money
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for this and money for that.
That gets old after a while.
SPEAKER_02 (14:52):
Yep, I agree.
Yeah, I think it's I think it'svery beneficial to have that.
And I think the more educationwe can do, teach everyone, like
no matter what income, of how tolike use fruits and vegetables
and potatoes and onions and morewhole foods.
And in the long run, like that,those actually are way cheaper
than like fast food, you know.
But we just have to learn a lotof people don't know how to make
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it or don't have the time.
And a lot of these people areworking full-time and like
taking the bus to their job andtaking it back, and then you
don't have time to come home andlike make a be chopping onions
for an hour if you have likekids or whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
That is so true.
That is so true.
But man, I I I hope it doesn'tcome to that.
But I mean, it's already the thetwin, you know, we're already
towards the end of October, soit's not looking good at all,
you know.
SPEAKER_02 (15:40):
I know.
I don't know how, but during thepandemic, like they just gave me
snap.
I was just getting random, likeI was on unemployment because my
our radio job had just ended,and then I don't know like what
happened, but they also werelike, now you're receiving this,
and then it was like a two-monthmistake or something.
Then I have to say I did notpeople I don't have kids or
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whatever, so and I was gettinglike weird stimulus checks and
everything, so I did not use itvery well.
I think I didn't go to WholeFoods and like buy a lobster and
stuff.
So I I am part of the problem,but I feel like normally nice
people use it very uh when theyneed it, you know, for their
kids and their family.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
Wow.
So did the system you withoutyou asking for it?
SPEAKER_02 (16:19):
Yeah, I like I think it was just something like when
I got set up with unemployment,I don't know what happened, but
it was just like during the stimor during the pandemic, you know
that part where like thestimulus checks were coming and
then they were like, and you'regetting another 1500.
We don't know why.
And so I I should have saved it,but I remember getting a card in
the mail, and then I'm like,what is this?
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And then I went to the grocerystore and I was able to use it,
but okay, hey.
That was the best, it was thebest like two months of my life,
but then uh then I was like,okay, it got taken away.
Well, that is serious, and Ihope it um changes, or I hope
people step in.
And but I have some some goodnews for us is that um on Long
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Island in New York, more than ahundred teens rallied around um
a young boy named Tyler RocheTilden for a bike ride to
remember after he was bullied.
I thought this was a cute littlelike extra dose of sweetness
that uh, you know, just when wethink teens are bad and bully
each other, this was a goodstory.
So he um he was bullied andneeded extra kindness, and I
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think a lot of teens just likeinstead of piling on, they
surrounded him and cheered himon.
Um, and he was, you know, he didhis bike ride, but I think
that's extra cute.
SPEAKER_00 (17:36):
That is a great story.
SPEAKER_02 (17:38):
Yeah.
So I I think sometimes like thenew generation, like Gen Z and
whatever Gen Alpha, whatever isafter them.
I think they can surprise us inreally good ways because I do
think they're exposed to like somuch of good and bad that I
think they can quickly like havepersonalities and make opinions.
And I think I don't know,sometimes like they they act
even better than we do.
SPEAKER_00 (18:00):
I agree, I agree, and you know, we do need to see
some kindness in the world withall the craziness going on.
SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
Yeah, I've noticed that too.
TikTok, like the young, youngpeople, they don't stand for
like bullying and meanness.
Like, I think our generation,like the millennials, can
sometimes have a very sarcasticsense of humor or we're kind of
like snarky to each other, butthe young people are like very
nice.
Like I've seen uh the other daythere was like a very overweight
woman dancing in the mirror, andshe was kind of like, I feel
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ashamed of doing this, so I justwanted to dance.
And like the younger people wereso so so nice to her.
So um, if anything, theirsensitivity helps in that realm.
SPEAKER_00 (18:38):
That's true.
Do you think we're gonna see uhmaybe more stories like this
with all the craziness going on?
SPEAKER_02 (18:44):
I do, I definitely do.
What do you think?
SPEAKER_00 (18:48):
I hope so.
Because um you know, with allthe stuff, Chris, we need to
balance the news out with somegood, some good topics to talk
about, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (18:56):
Yeah, and maybe the trope of like the geeky person
at high school gets bullied,maybe that was like leaving with
our generations, and maybe nowit's a new one.
SPEAKER_00 (19:06):
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
But I do have to say we havebeen seeing this coming up quite
a bit, you know, good storieslike this.
So I would just say let's justkeep it keep them going, you
know.
SPEAKER_02 (19:16):
Exactly.
If anything, the young peopleare just bullying the
millennials, not each other,they're nice to each other,
they're just mean to us.
SPEAKER_00 (19:24):
Well, the last topic of the day is very interesting.
Um, a judge dismisses Drake'slawsuit against his own record
label.
So, are you watching the the thethe uh keeping up with the
Drake, Lamar Kendrick uh beefthat's going on?
SPEAKER_02 (19:44):
Um, okay, once again, very unpopular take.
Very, very I am I know I'munpopular take, but I did I'm
like a little bit more teamDrake, don't be mad at me.
But like I especially I did notthink Kendrick did that well,
the Super Bowl.
I understand the good parts ofit and that it was very
significant in many differentways, but like performance-wise,
I just wasn't a fan.
Um I know this is people aregonna not like me for this, so I
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don't know.
I'm kind of secretly rooting forDrake.
SPEAKER_00 (20:11):
Well, a federal judge has dismissed Drake's
defamation lawsuit againstUniversal Music Group over
Kendrick Lamar's hit this track,Not Like Us.
The ruling marks the legalculmination of a prolific feud
between Drake and Lamar thatspanned much of 2024 when the
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two rappers dropped a slew oftracks aimed at each other.
In January, Drake, whose realname is R.B.
Drake Graham, sued his recordlabel in the U.S.
District Court for of theSouthern District of New York,
accusing UMG of defaming him bypromoting Not Like Us, which
contains lyrics accusing Drakeof being a pedophile.
(20:57):
Uh Lamar was not named as adefendant in the lawsuit.
Um G, which represents bothDrake and Lamar through
different divisions, fired firedback in March with a motion to
dismiss, claiming the suit wasno more than Drake's attempt to
save face for his unsuccessfulrap battle with Lamar.
(21:20):
In her decision on Thursday,U.S.
District Judge Jeanette Vargasgranted the record labels motion
to dismiss, stating that thealleged defamant uh defamatory
statements in Not Like Us arenon-actionable opinion.
Now, what's interesting aboutthis beefs between rappers and
(21:41):
artists have been going on foryears.
Um what was interesting about itwhen when Not Like Us came out,
I was probably one of the veryfew people that knew it was a
diss track, to be honest withyou.
Really?
Until it started getting, youknow, a lot of uh a lot of talk
for the Super Bowl.
(22:02):
But it is one of those thingswhere you know, if you have a
diss track and you're going backand forth, you really can't sue
anybody because you don't likethe records, you know what I
mean?
SPEAKER_02 (22:11):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I think this does make Drakelike suing does make him look
like a little, you know what,like especially the people that
don't like him, they're like,oh, go cry about it.
You're gonna like sue me insteadof you know working it out in
the remix, as they say.
Um, I feel like I feel bad forDrake for this one because I
mean everyone was like piling onhim and just kind of weird.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
Yeah, and and you know, it's one of those things
where sometimes you get the bestof a person, sometimes they get
the best of you.
SPEAKER_02 (22:43):
I know.
I I feel like both of them arevery talented and smart, and
probably both of them have likeskeletons in their closet and
are probably not what we thinkgood for worse for better and
worse in the public eye.
You know what I mean?
Like Kendrick is not like aangel savior person, the way
like it I feel like it's notgood versus evil.
It's like two artists thatprobably have like nuanced
(23:05):
lines.
SPEAKER_00 (23:06):
It seems like since they had this beef though, you
haven't really seen anythingfrom Drake, or you know, Drake's
been kind of low-key.
SPEAKER_02 (23:13):
Maybe it's just I know I think he's been like
touring in different countriesand stuff.
He had to leave America.
SPEAKER_00 (23:21):
Well, he could say face and say, Well, you know,
I'm not really from America,he's a Canadian, so he could say
face and say that.
SPEAKER_02 (23:26):
Exactly.
And it's probably because like Iam coming from the perspective,
like of I am like an annoyingwhite girl, that I think to me,
like Drake has more.
I know I understand Kendrick isprobably like the better
musician and all around thebetter lyricist, blah blah blah.
But like to me, like Drake hasmore music outside of this beef
that like I would listen to, orthat you know, but that's
(23:48):
expected with like myannoyingness.
SPEAKER_00 (23:51):
Yeah, I I I I just wonder how awkward it is now
that you've sued your label.
That's you know, you still can'tfind it now, you know what I
mean?
That's gonna be an awkward, youknow, type of situation.
SPEAKER_02 (24:02):
Exactly.
And and I do think like callingsomeone like a pedophile or
something is that is likeslander.
That is so I wonder if there'sdifferent workarounds, but then
when you're doing it in music, Iwonder if there's like a clause
that it's like, oh, if you'reexpressing yourself or he didn't
fully come out and say his name,so like how would he know it's
exactly about him?
You know, who knows?
SPEAKER_00 (24:21):
That's true, or what you could do is just find a uh
an excellent record producer andthen go out right back at them,
you know.
SPEAKER_02 (24:27):
I know, and it's crazy too because it's like
everyone, both of them probablywant the last word, but like I
think at this point, like justlet the beef fly into the world
and you know end peacefully.
SPEAKER_00 (24:38):
That is true, that is true.
But talk about the world.
What's going on with you, Meryl?
What do you have coming up?
SPEAKER_02 (24:45):
Yeah, okay.
I know I keep promoting this,but I mean, if you're not Drake
or Kendrick, you have to promoteyour own shows.
So I'm looking to have beef withanyone, but I don't have it.
Um, October 29th at the La JollaComedy Store, and it's a pretty
funny witches show.
SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
So yes.
Well, if you're in the area,make sure you come out and
support Merle.
She would definitely appreciateit.
So much.
So I want to thank everyone forwatching our show and listening
to us on podcast.
Make sure that you tell everyonewho we are and follow us as
well.
I'm Lawrence Elrod.
SPEAKER_02 (25:20):
And I'm Meryl Climo.
SPEAKER_00 (25:22):
Take care, everyone.
unknown (25:23):
Bye bye.
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