May 18, 2025 • 20 mins
This one’s different.
This episode isn’t a step-by-step or a how-to. It’s not the 27 secrets to unlock bliss or the five ways to heal your trauma in a weekend. It’s me, Veronica Jayne, sitting in my truth, and offering you my heart—unfiltered, cracked open, and pulsing with the full, messy beauty of being human.
I talk about presence—not as a concept, but as a visceral, cellular experience. I take you to a meditation class I stumbled into, where joy knocked me sideways. I talk about the way love isn’t about them, it’s about you. About me. About being here—now. I ask the hard questions: will you let yourself feel again? Will you risk opening your heart? Will you let go of the armor, the blame, the story that keeps you safe but small?
This isn’t a tidy tight bow tied episode; it’s not supposed to be! It’s an invitation into your own heart and into the reality of being fully alive.
I’m not offering you "magic pills"—I’m offering you a model for presence, empathy and love. And maybe, just maybe, that’s where "heaven" actually lives?
Want to work together? I’d LOVE that! Enquire HERE
Or check out my website: www.veronicajayne.com and Instagram: @veronicajayne_
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~ In love and learning,
Veronica Jayne
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(00:00):
Hello. Hi, welcome to another episode
of This Isn't Me podcast. I'm Veronica Jane, and I'm
really excited to be here talking to you today.
And it's going to be a bit different than what I sometimes
(00:20):
do. The way that I speak and what I
want to bring you comes from a place of deep discovery.
What I want to share with you today is something that's so
true and so real for me, and I know it will be real for you
(00:42):
too. I'm going to share from a place
of vulnerability and from continual learning and from
humanness. I'm going to share with you my
art. My art is my words.
(01:06):
It's taken me a while to discover that and to embrace
that. My gift is my words.
It's my voice. It's the way I speak truth into
the world, from my heart, from my lived experience, from my
(01:26):
pain, from my grief, from my suffering, from my joy, from my
love, from my humanness. And you've watched me play
around with how I share and whatI share and what I teach and how
I teach. And this is the next iteration.
(01:50):
OK, I wish I had all the answersfor you.
I wish I could share the one wayto happiness, to healing, to
Nirvana, to inner peace, to heaven, to presence, to healing.
(02:14):
But there is no one way. I know I talked to you about
that recently and I'm going to keep talking about it because
there's been some big discoveries coming through for
me and I want them to be true for you.
If they are, I want to share them with you so you can see
(02:37):
them for yourself. We live in a world where
everyone's seeking answers, seeking happiness, seeking
fulfilment. What I'm learning again and
again is that happiness, fulfillment, heaven, Valhalla,
(03:05):
they're here now. But most of us can't feel it.
We can't see it. We don't believe it because it
it's something we've blocked. I went to a meditation class
recently, one of those spur the moments follow the whim, jumped
(03:29):
online, found an event and I went and I was the only one
there. And this man LED me through the
most simple and beautiful meditation, and I remember him
asking me to bring up the picture and the feeling of
happiness where I felt the most happy, the most pure joy.
(03:54):
I didn't choose it consciously. I didn't look for a memory, just
this image of someone I once loved for so long, as deep as I
then knew how, frolicking towards the ocean, prancing like
a little child towards the ocean.
(04:16):
And at that time, that person was someone I called mine.
I remember in that moment being hit with so much joy, so much
love that it terrified me. Because that feeling, that depth
of love, that's it. Like, that's it.
(04:38):
That's what we're all looking for.
That's what we're all striving for.
That's what we're all unconsciously trying to buy,
trying to read our way into, trying to listen our way to, is
that feeling of absolute presence, pure love.
And sure, maybe that sounds a bit cheesy and maybe that's a
(04:58):
bit romantic, but I don't fucking care because it's true.
And you know it. You felt it, you've had it, and
then like me, something's come along and it's blocked you from
that. It's taken that from you and it
(05:20):
had you stop believing it had you put up guards over your
heart and go no, no, no, no. I can't risk that getting taken
away. I can't risk that.
That moment where we feel the depth of presence and joy and
love. In that same moment, we have a
(05:41):
choice. Can I sit in it?
Will I stay here in this vulnerability?
Will I let it slowly dissipate and trust that it'll come back?
Or will I chase it, grasp it, cling on to it, control for it,
manipulate for it? Will I run from it, push it
(06:06):
away? Or can I just sit in it, basking
in it, in true presence and truejoy and true love, knowing that
our connection to it might come and go, but knowing it's always
(06:26):
there? And I watched in that moment,
the tears fall from my eyes as Irecalled that memory.
Because that person's no longer what I call mine.
But that love, that love is still there.
(06:46):
That love is always still there.Because it wasn't about him, and
it wasn't about your him. It never is.
But as humans, we look for love.You look for connection and
we'll share another episode explaining all about why, why
(07:08):
that is and how we love to push that away and pretend that's not
true. But we are made to love.
We're made to bond. That's where we find ourselves
in presence and safety. In that moment, I saw how long
(07:31):
I'd been blocking my heart again.
And I know there's so many of you who have guarded your heart,
who have put up armor to protectyourself.
And I know some of you right nowhave that armor.
They are so thick that you can'teven remember what it feels like
(07:56):
that you're doubting it's even real.
Baby, let me tell you it's real.That feeling you felt, it was
real, and it is real and it still exists.
Now you can access it here. And now you know that's true,
(08:24):
don't you? This is something I forget and
remember. I'm not going to pretend I'm
perfect. This is something I forget and
remember. And every time I remember, I
promise myself I'll never forget.
But I do, and I get lost on someother path and some other
seeking and some other grasping or some other running away.
(08:46):
And then life brings me back to the remembering to love.
And I'd love to give you the book, the podcast, the one way,
the 27 Steps, and those things can help, but there is no one
(09:10):
way. And I talk about it and I'll
keep talking about it. There's just a messy human
experience. There's just life.
And so all those books and podcasts and 27 steps, they
might come at you in any kind ofsequence.
(09:32):
They'll all be 1 stone on the path in your journey.
And they're great. And I'll keep sharing those
things with you, those resources, those tools, those
perspectives, because they're all part of it.
And ultimately, it's going to feel hectic along the way.
(09:53):
I'd love to give you the pill, the answer, the solution, but if
you're anything like me, it'll work for a time and then you'll
remember there's no one thing. There's no way to escape life.
There's no way to escape the complexity of the emotions that
(10:13):
are involved in life. That is life.
That's the joy of life. The loss, the grief, the
suffering, the sadness. That is what we're here to do.
That's life. That's humoring, and it's up to
you, beautiful heart. It's up to you and your heart
(10:35):
whether you'll keep the armor up, whether you'll keep
blocking, protecting, running, chasing, or if you'll allow the
gate, the Shields, the armor around your heart to slowly be
removed. If you'll use the tools and
(10:55):
strategies that are available toyou to learn to trust again, to
surrender again, to open again, to feel again, to love again,
Will you let yourself love yourself?
(11:16):
Will you allow yourself to embrace every part, Every messy,
chaotic, disorganized, manipulative, kniving, jealous,
selfish, controlling part? Every version of you who's
evolved to protect you, who's there for a reason?
(11:41):
Will you embrace them? Will you meet them with
compassion? Will you see that even they had
a purpose and a function, and then will you allow that to
occur outside of you? Because healing, reaching
presence and love? It's going to cost you.
(12:09):
It's going to cost you being right.
It's going to cost you your ego.It's going to cost you being
able to blame plane. It's going to cost you risk.
It's going to cost you letting go of control, surrendering.
(12:31):
It's going to cost you taking action.
It's going to cost you doing uncomfortable things.
It's going to cost you staring in the mirror and admitting to
yourself who you truly are, although what you may have
termed fucked up ways of being. It's going to take you leaning
into them and loving them too. It's going to cost you yourself
(12:53):
hate. It's going to cost you the
labels. You won't be able to blame him,
name call him or label you and name call you.
You'll just love it all. You'll love it all with love.
(13:16):
Love's worth it, isn't it? Wouldn't you be willing to be
wrong? To be unable to blame, to be
unable to self hate or hate them?
To sit in connection with yourself and others, to truly
(13:38):
love again? Wouldn't it be worth that cost?
You know what it is. Some part of you knows it is.
And am I saying it's not scary? Fuck no.
It's terrifying. But when I sat in that
meditation class and I saw that image of that man I once loved,
(14:00):
that I still love, I saw it wasn't about him and it wasn't
about me. It was about being human,
letting ourselves need each other, letting ourselves
connect, letting ourselves trust, letting ourselves be
vulnerable and sit in the heaviness of the pain and truly
(14:24):
empathize. For every past version of me who
believed empathy was a weakness that we shouldn't feel with
others, fuck that. The human experience is to be
deeply felt, to allow ourselves to feel ourselves.
Because if you won't empathize with others and perceptions
(14:47):
projection, you can't empathize with yourself.
You're meant to feel. You're meant to sit in the depth
of that feeling and move throughit and own it and come out the
other side. You're meant to stand in awe of
the complexity of what it is to be hurt, to grieve, to love, to
(15:10):
lose, to risk, and to do that again and again.
Because at some point, you stop being right.
When you stop running away from the feeling, that's when you
find presents. When there's nothing to hide
(15:32):
from, there's nothing to escape.You can be with all that is and
that's how you get present. That's how you find Nirvana,
that's how you find Valhalla, heaven, bliss when you let go of
the disconnect and then suffering.
(15:58):
And so you have to be with yourself, with every emotion,
Yep, with every painful moment. And love them too.
Can you love even them too? Every past and present version
of you and every future version of you who comes out to protect
(16:19):
you, Can you love them too? Because it's in loving them that
you'll actually be able to love another and hold the complexity.
That there's a little boy and a little girl inside each and
every one of us. That each of us is just the
wounded version of our past and any moment of pain.
(16:44):
And that by moving towards and sitting with that person for
just a moment, they see they're not alone.
They feel it. And you feel it too.
And then you step out towards what's true and what's truly
love. So you stop running from the
(17:05):
presence. You stop running from
connection. You can start this with
yourself. You can start this with a
friend. You can start this with a pet.
You can start this with your lover.
Doesn't matter where you start. Because remember, there's no one
way. If you want, I can show you how
(17:31):
I do it. It's not right.
It's not wrong, it's not linear.I can show you how I do it again
and again. How I lean in, how I face
myself, how I say yes to openingmy heart, How I access more
presence and more love every time I forget and remember.
(17:57):
How I access more belief. More belief in me, the world,
and humanity in love. If you want, I can show you.
You have to want it and you haveto be OK with it being messy and
(18:19):
ugly and they're being snotty cries and rage.
You have to be willing to stop numbing with drugs, with
alcohol, with sex, with whateveryour vice is, because they're
there to protect you too. You have to face them and love
(18:40):
them too. And when you love them, that's
when you'll be able to integratethem.
You'll be able to allow them to be whatever they are without
judgement. And then you won't need them
that way anymore because you'll be present with you and with all
(19:01):
that is. So I wonder if you're ready to
love, if you're ready to let go,if you're ready to fall in love
with yourself. Maybe the work I do will be 1
stone on that path for you. Maybe a giant one, maybe a
(19:26):
bridge. If you're ready, if you're
willing to face it all, I'd loveto love you until you're ready
to love yourself. I'm happy to show you all of my
scars, everything I went throughto get where I am, to be in the
(19:50):
energy of that. That's where I've learned,
following someone this inner self.
Following her to the depth of myself, maybe you feeling that
(20:10):
will show you too, that you can go to the depth of yourself.
Because I'm here for all your ugly parts.
Yeah, they're not ugly to me. They're fucking beautiful.
And I want you to see that too. I love you.
Hello. Hi, welcome to another episode
of This Isn't Me podcast. I'm Veronica Jane, and I'm
really excited to be here talking to you today.
And it's going to be a bit different than what I sometimes
(00:20):
do. The way that I speak and what I
want to bring you comes from a place of deep discovery.
What I want to share with you today is something that's so
true and so real for me, and I know it will be real for you
(00:42):
too. I'm going to share from a place
of vulnerability and from continual learning and from
humanness. I'm going to share with you my
art. My art is my words.
(01:06):
It's taken me a while to discover that and to embrace
that. My gift is my words.
It's my voice. It's the way I speak truth into
the world, from my heart, from my lived experience, from my
(01:26):
pain, from my grief, from my suffering, from my joy, from my
love, from my humanness. And you've watched me play
around with how I share and whatI share and what I teach and how
I teach. And this is the next iteration.
(01:50):
OK, I wish I had all the answersfor you.
I wish I could share the one wayto happiness, to healing, to
Nirvana, to inner peace, to heaven, to presence, to healing.
(02:14):
But there is no one way. I know I talked to you about
that recently and I'm going to keep talking about it because
there's been some big discoveries coming through for
me and I want them to be true for you.
If they are, I want to share them with you so you can see
(02:37):
them for yourself. We live in a world where
everyone's seeking answers, seeking happiness, seeking
fulfilment. What I'm learning again and
again is that happiness, fulfillment, heaven, Valhalla,
(03:05):
they're here now. But most of us can't feel it.
We can't see it. We don't believe it because it
it's something we've blocked. I went to a meditation class
recently, one of those spur the moments follow the whim, jumped
(03:29):
online, found an event and I went and I was the only one
there. And this man LED me through the
most simple and beautiful meditation, and I remember him
asking me to bring up the picture and the feeling of
happiness where I felt the most happy, the most pure joy.
(03:54):
I didn't choose it consciously. I didn't look for a memory, just
this image of someone I once loved for so long, as deep as I
then knew how, frolicking towards the ocean, prancing like
a little child towards the ocean.
(04:16):
And at that time, that person was someone I called mine.
I remember in that moment being hit with so much joy, so much
love that it terrified me. Because that feeling, that depth
of love, that's it. Like, that's it.
(04:38):
That's what we're all looking for.
That's what we're all striving for.
That's what we're all unconsciously trying to buy,
trying to read our way into, trying to listen our way to, is
that feeling of absolute presence, pure love.
And sure, maybe that sounds a bit cheesy and maybe that's a
(04:58):
bit romantic, but I don't fucking care because it's true.
And you know it. You felt it, you've had it, and
then like me, something's come along and it's blocked you from
that. It's taken that from you and it
(05:20):
had you stop believing it had you put up guards over your
heart and go no, no, no, no. I can't risk that getting taken
away. I can't risk that.
That moment where we feel the depth of presence and joy and
love. In that same moment, we have a
(05:41):
choice. Can I sit in it?
Will I stay here in this vulnerability?
Will I let it slowly dissipate and trust that it'll come back?
Or will I chase it, grasp it, cling on to it, control for it,
manipulate for it? Will I run from it, push it
(06:06):
away? Or can I just sit in it, basking
in it, in true presence and truejoy and true love, knowing that
our connection to it might come and go, but knowing it's always
(06:26):
there? And I watched in that moment,
the tears fall from my eyes as Irecalled that memory.
Because that person's no longer what I call mine.
But that love, that love is still there.
(06:46):
That love is always still there.Because it wasn't about him, and
it wasn't about your him. It never is.
But as humans, we look for love.You look for connection and
we'll share another episode explaining all about why, why
(07:08):
that is and how we love to push that away and pretend that's not
true. But we are made to love.
We're made to bond. That's where we find ourselves
in presence and safety. In that moment, I saw how long
(07:31):
I'd been blocking my heart again.
And I know there's so many of you who have guarded your heart,
who have put up armor to protectyourself.
And I know some of you right nowhave that armor.
They are so thick that you can'teven remember what it feels like
(07:56):
that you're doubting it's even real.
Baby, let me tell you it's real.That feeling you felt, it was
real, and it is real and it still exists.
Now you can access it here. And now you know that's true,
(08:24):
don't you? This is something I forget and
remember. I'm not going to pretend I'm
perfect. This is something I forget and
remember. And every time I remember, I
promise myself I'll never forget.
But I do, and I get lost on someother path and some other
seeking and some other grasping or some other running away.
(08:46):
And then life brings me back to the remembering to love.
And I'd love to give you the book, the podcast, the one way,
the 27 Steps, and those things can help, but there is no one
(09:10):
way. And I talk about it and I'll
keep talking about it. There's just a messy human
experience. There's just life.
And so all those books and podcasts and 27 steps, they
might come at you in any kind ofsequence.
(09:32):
They'll all be 1 stone on the path in your journey.
And they're great. And I'll keep sharing those
things with you, those resources, those tools, those
perspectives, because they're all part of it.
And ultimately, it's going to feel hectic along the way.
(09:53):
I'd love to give you the pill, the answer, the solution, but if
you're anything like me, it'll work for a time and then you'll
remember there's no one thing. There's no way to escape life.
There's no way to escape the complexity of the emotions that
(10:13):
are involved in life. That is life.
That's the joy of life. The loss, the grief, the
suffering, the sadness. That is what we're here to do.
That's life. That's humoring, and it's up to
you, beautiful heart. It's up to you and your heart
(10:35):
whether you'll keep the armor up, whether you'll keep
blocking, protecting, running, chasing, or if you'll allow the
gate, the Shields, the armor around your heart to slowly be
removed. If you'll use the tools and
(10:55):
strategies that are available toyou to learn to trust again, to
surrender again, to open again, to feel again, to love again,
Will you let yourself love yourself?
(11:16):
Will you allow yourself to embrace every part, Every messy,
chaotic, disorganized, manipulative, kniving, jealous,
selfish, controlling part? Every version of you who's
evolved to protect you, who's there for a reason?
(11:41):
Will you embrace them? Will you meet them with
compassion? Will you see that even they had
a purpose and a function, and then will you allow that to
occur outside of you? Because healing, reaching
presence and love? It's going to cost you.
(12:09):
It's going to cost you being right.
It's going to cost you your ego.It's going to cost you being
able to blame plane. It's going to cost you risk.
It's going to cost you letting go of control, surrendering.
(12:31):
It's going to cost you taking action.
It's going to cost you doing uncomfortable things.
It's going to cost you staring in the mirror and admitting to
yourself who you truly are, although what you may have
termed fucked up ways of being. It's going to take you leaning
into them and loving them too. It's going to cost you yourself
(12:53):
hate. It's going to cost you the
labels. You won't be able to blame him,
name call him or label you and name call you.
You'll just love it all. You'll love it all with love.
(13:16):
Love's worth it, isn't it? Wouldn't you be willing to be
wrong? To be unable to blame, to be
unable to self hate or hate them?
To sit in connection with yourself and others, to truly
(13:38):
love again? Wouldn't it be worth that cost?
You know what it is. Some part of you knows it is.
And am I saying it's not scary? Fuck no.
It's terrifying. But when I sat in that
meditation class and I saw that image of that man I once loved,
(14:00):
that I still love, I saw it wasn't about him and it wasn't
about me. It was about being human,
letting ourselves need each other, letting ourselves
connect, letting ourselves trust, letting ourselves be
vulnerable and sit in the heaviness of the pain and truly
(14:24):
empathize. For every past version of me who
believed empathy was a weakness that we shouldn't feel with
others, fuck that. The human experience is to be
deeply felt, to allow ourselves to feel ourselves.
Because if you won't empathize with others and perceptions
(14:47):
projection, you can't empathize with yourself.
You're meant to feel. You're meant to sit in the depth
of that feeling and move throughit and own it and come out the
other side. You're meant to stand in awe of
the complexity of what it is to be hurt, to grieve, to love, to
(15:10):
lose, to risk, and to do that again and again.
Because at some point, you stop being right.
When you stop running away from the feeling, that's when you
find presents. When there's nothing to hide
(15:32):
from, there's nothing to escape.You can be with all that is and
that's how you get present. That's how you find Nirvana,
that's how you find Valhalla, heaven, bliss when you let go of
the disconnect and then suffering.
(15:58):
And so you have to be with yourself, with every emotion,
Yep, with every painful moment. And love them too.
Can you love even them too? Every past and present version
of you and every future version of you who comes out to protect
(16:19):
you, Can you love them too? Because it's in loving them that
you'll actually be able to love another and hold the complexity.
That there's a little boy and a little girl inside each and
every one of us. That each of us is just the
wounded version of our past and any moment of pain.
(16:44):
And that by moving towards and sitting with that person for
just a moment, they see they're not alone.
They feel it. And you feel it too.
And then you step out towards what's true and what's truly
love. So you stop running from the
(17:05):
presence. You stop running from
connection. You can start this with
yourself. You can start this with a
friend. You can start this with a pet.
You can start this with your lover.
Doesn't matter where you start. Because remember, there's no one
way. If you want, I can show you how
(17:31):
I do it. It's not right.
It's not wrong, it's not linear.I can show you how I do it again
and again. How I lean in, how I face
myself, how I say yes to openingmy heart, How I access more
presence and more love every time I forget and remember.
(17:57):
How I access more belief. More belief in me, the world,
and humanity in love. If you want, I can show you.
You have to want it and you haveto be OK with it being messy and
(18:19):
ugly and they're being snotty cries and rage.
You have to be willing to stop numbing with drugs, with
alcohol, with sex, with whateveryour vice is, because they're
there to protect you too. You have to face them and love
(18:40):
them too. And when you love them, that's
when you'll be able to integratethem.
You'll be able to allow them to be whatever they are without
judgement. And then you won't need them
that way anymore because you'll be present with you and with all
(19:01):
that is. So I wonder if you're ready to
love, if you're ready to let go,if you're ready to fall in love
with yourself. Maybe the work I do will be 1
stone on that path for you. Maybe a giant one, maybe a
(19:26):
bridge. If you're ready, if you're
willing to face it all, I'd loveto love you until you're ready
to love yourself. I'm happy to show you all of my
scars, everything I went throughto get where I am, to be in the
(19:50):
energy of that. That's where I've learned,
following someone this inner self.
Following her to the depth of myself, maybe you feeling that
(20:10):
will show you too, that you can go to the depth of yourself.
Because I'm here for all your ugly parts.
Yeah, they're not ugly to me. They're fucking beautiful.
And I want you to see that too. I love you.
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