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SPEAKER_04 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to
Thoughts on Rice, a podcast
hosted by the University ofCalifornia Cooperative Extension
Rice Advisors.
I'm one of your hosts, SarahMarchionish, and I'm a rice farm
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advisor for Colusa and Yolocounties.
SPEAKER_07 (00:24):
I'm Whitney from the
forest.
I'm the Cooperative ExtensionRice Advisor for Sutter, Yuba,
Placer, and Sacramento counties.
SPEAKER_01 (00:31):
My name is Luis
Espino.
I'm the Rice Farming SystemsAdvisor for Butte and Glynn
counties.
I'm Michelle Leinfelder-Miles.
SPEAKER_02 (00:41):
I'm a farm advisor
in the Delta region.
I work on all sorts of fieldcrops, grains and forages, but
one of those is rice.
And the counties that I coverare San Joaquin, Sacramento,
Yolo-Solano, and Contra Costacounties.
SPEAKER_04 (00:57):
Together, the UCCE
Rice Farm Advisors seek to
provide relevant, topical,research-backed information
relating to California riceproduction.
Today, we've got a bit of adifferent show for you here
today over at Thoughts on Ricepodcast.
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Thank you so much for joining ustoday.
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of research findings.
Always follow the label.
The label is the law.
Find out more at Hi, Sharon.
SPEAKER_05 (02:43):
but I am excited to
be a part of this ever-changing
industry.
SPEAKER_04 (02:47):
Fantastic.
And I mean, you've got a littlebit of a leg up as I understand
it.
You're local to the Sac Valley,so you're familiar with the rice
in the industry and you know howimportant rice is to California.
SPEAKER_05 (02:59):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Born and raised in Yuba City, soI'm surrounded by rice every
direction.
SPEAKER_04 (03:04):
Perfect.
We like to hear that.
So Sharon, just real quick, canyou give me a background on what
products your company offers inthe rice market?
And then I mean, likeestablished products that UPL
has been working with forthroughout the last two decades
or so.
SPEAKER_05 (03:19):
Yeah, so our biggest
products would be our propanil
brands, which are Super Wham andStam.
Outside of that, we do haveLambdaCy and Dimilin, so some
insecticides.
We also have Londac, but forsure, Super Wham and Stam would
be our biggest known products tothe rice industry.
SPEAKER_04 (03:37):
Fantastic.
So those are the establishedproducts.
Let's focus on what What's new?
What's coming down the pipeline?
What are we looking for in the2025 season?
SPEAKER_05 (03:47):
Yes.
So UPL, we are super excited tobe bringing Vaxa plant to the
rice industry.
We currently have this.
It's a biofungicide.
We currently have it registeredhere in California on grapes and
lettuce.
However, we are looking at alabel expansion, hopefully
getting that approved in March.
So it will be coming.
That timeline could varydepending on how soon DPR can
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get it approved.
But our late timeline, like Isaid, is March of 2025, so a
couple months from now.
Again, it is a biofungicide, sothe active ingredient is
laminarin.
The mode of action, it's a FRACP4, and it's the only compound
in that FRAC group.
Its activity is preventative andsystemic, so it has both SAR and
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ISR activity, so breaking thatdown, that means systemic
acquired resistance as well asinduced systemic resistance.
So if you want me to go a littlebit more in depth, I can, but we
can just keep it high level.
SPEAKER_04 (04:52):
If you have the
time, I'd love to hear a little
bit more about that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (04:56):
Yeah.
So looking at the activity ofit, basically there's three ways
that it helps the plant fightoff the pathogens.
And that includes, it reinforcesthe cell walls.
So that helps prevent theinfection from even happening in
the first place.
It also produces antimicrobialcompounds, as well as PR
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proteins, which have the plantdefense characteristics.
So antifungal We kind of equateit to going out and getting the
flu shot.
It's going to help your bodyfight off the disease or the
pathogens to prevent theinfection.
All right, so besides having theplant pathogen protection, we
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also have seen secondary plantbenefits come from it.
So like I said, it's currentlyregistered on grapes and in
grapes, we've seen an increasein the bricks as well as fruit
firmness, but looking at it moreso for rice, we've seen an
increase in yield.
So we've seen this, if you putit on later in the season, say
you throw it in with yourpropanil timing, There's an
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increase in yield from that.
We've done it across theSacramento Valley.
One of the 20-acre demo plotsthat we've seen actually won the
rice yield contest for thatarea.
So it's an exciting boost toyour yield, as well as getting
the plant defense turned on aswell to fight off the pathogens.
SPEAKER_04 (06:27):
Yeah, that sounds
really interesting.
So let's talk about use rate andwhen to apply.
You mentioned with propanil, sothat gives us kind of an idea.
SPEAKER_05 (06:35):
Yeah, so it's
season-long use.
You can throw it in with yourfungicide timings, again, to
kind of enhance the activity ofyour fungicide that you're
using.
But it takes a free ride withwhatever.
So if you want to throw it inwith your propanil, that's when
you're going to see your yieldboost, so later in the season.
But again, it takes a free rideand you can put it in with
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whatever you want.
And the use rate is 14 fluidounces.
SPEAKER_04 (07:02):
Okay.
So liquid then?
SPEAKER_05 (07:04):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (07:04):
Yep.
Are there any special cautionsor licenses that people need to
have for this?
SPEAKER_05 (07:09):
There's no cautions
or use anything specific to
worry about here.
SPEAKER_04 (07:14):
Fantastic.
And you already kind ofmentioned that you're hoping to
get DPR sign off in March?
SPEAKER_05 (07:20):
Correct.
March is our hopeful, ourtimeline for now.
SPEAKER_04 (07:23):
Okay.
And so if that happens, it couldbe available this season, but
probably the latest, maybe nextseason?
SPEAKER_05 (07:30):
Correct.
SPEAKER_04 (07:30):
I mean, it's hard to
say with DPR, but.
SPEAKER_05 (07:32):
Yes.
Yep.
So hopefully this season, butfingers crossed this season.
If not, let's hope for nextseason.
SPEAKER_04 (07:39):
So Sharon, I'm going
to ask you here.
Is there anything else you wantto share with us before we wrap
up?
SPEAKER_05 (07:45):
Yeah.
So if you guys have anyquestions specifically about
Vaxaplant or any other productsin the UPL portfolio, you can
find us online or you can reachout to me directly.
My phone number is 530-930-370Or my email is sharon.bell at
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upl-ltd.com.
SPEAKER_04 (08:10):
Fantastic.
Sharon, thank you so much forbeing here today.
And I think we'll have you backon again.
So don't consider this your lastcall.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_05 (08:20):
Yes.
Well, thank you for inviting usand wanting to hear more about
UPL.
All right.
Great.
Thanks.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (08:45):
Hi, Ashley.
Thank you for being here today.
Ashley McWilliams is from WilburEllis, and I've asked you here
today to talk a little bit aboutthe Wilbur Ellis portfolio of
offerings.
Thanks for being here, Ashley.
Of course.
Thanks for having me on, Sarah.
Now, I'd like to start off withsome questions about you, your
information concerning your jobtitle, your area of coverage,
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and how long you've been workingwith Rice Chemicals.
SPEAKER_03 (09:09):
Yeah, so I'm a PCA
and CCA for, as you said, for
Wilbur Ellis, covering Colusa,Sutter, and Yolo counties I've
been working in this positionfor six years, which I've been
involved in rice for all thosesix years, and probably as far
as the chemical side, the lastfour years, more deeply
involved.
SPEAKER_04 (09:27):
This is more on a
personal note, but Ashley's a
PCA for several of the growersthat I work with, and they all
speak very highly of her.
So it's a real treat for us tohave her on today.
So Ashley, can you tell me a bitabout the established products
that Wilbur Ellis offers in therice market?
SPEAKER_03 (09:45):
As far as the main
products, Products for Obralus
currently and kind of going forthe near future is Serrano.
Everybody's aware of Serrano.
But I mean, even though thisproduct is 20 years old, I do
think we are seeing a comebackwith it, especially in a program
approach with some of our newerchemistries that have come on
the line, like the Cliffhangerand the Zembu.
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And as it still has activity onsprangletop and watergrass in a
lot of areas.
SPEAKER_04 (10:11):
Yeah.
And that's kind of rare when itcomes to our rice herbicides, at
least in today's day and agewhen we're seeing resistance
cropping up.
Let's talk about Serrano alittle bit.
Now, can you talk to me a bitabout like the mode of action of
Serrano and the activity that wesee on these specific weeds?
SPEAKER_03 (10:29):
Well, Serrano is,
like I said, I wish I could have
John Heyer on here with you ashe's the one that developed this
product and can speak a lot moreto the mode of action.
But it is, as everybody knows,it's a pre-emergent herbicide,
goes on day of seeding.
It's going to cause somebleaching of the rice as well
the weeds.
And so it's working on the seedsin the soil on a pre-emergent
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basis, which is why we can seethose later flushes of
sprangletop that escape thatserrano once it's basically gone
after the first couple of weeksafter application.
Serrano does also havepost-emergent activity working
both in the soil and foliar onsmall weeds only.
Serrano is extremely soluble, soit moves very well in the water
as it binds to the soil forexcellent coverage.
SPEAKER_04 (11:15):
Absolutely.
And Serrano's, I guess, chemicalname for that is clomosome.
So we see that pigmentinhibition in that bleaching
action, especially early in theseason.
When we see Serrano used in aprogram of perhaps, like you
mentioned, Serrano and Zembutogether, is there anything that
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you'd like to caution growersabout in terms of antagonistic
action or phytotoxicity on therice itself?
SPEAKER_03 (11:45):
I'm not...
I haven't used it personallylike with Zimbu.
I have used it in conjunctionwith Butte.
I mean, it's just, you know,knowing that there's potential
phytotoxic effects with both,with multiple chemistries, just
be aware of each chemistry andhow it acts on the rice,
especially, you know, puttingSerrano on, deaceting, letting
it kind of get out of the groundbefore you come back with
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something like Butte.
So it kind of gets going anddefinitely want to watch out for
heat.
It's going to be, you know, 95degrees or more.
Just be cautious about that.
about putting Serrano on, youknow, during a heat event, you
could see worse, worse problems.
SPEAKER_04 (12:20):
And Serrano, what's
a typical use rate that we're
seeing for
SPEAKER_03 (12:24):
that?
I'd say 10 to 12 pounds is kindof, you know, I've seen guys try
to cut it back to eight poundswhen putting it on with Butte.
And I still feel like going thatat least 10 pound rate, even
when you're using in conjunctionwith these other herbicides,
because the sprangletop andwatertrass are getting tough.
So at least a minimum that 10pound rate.
SPEAKER_04 (12:42):
We were actually at
a meeting earlier today talking
about special That's correct,Sarah.
No, it doesn't.
SPEAKER_03 (12:56):
There's no NOI
that's required.
There's no watch out for thingslike peaches and prunes or
walnuts, especially being inthat granular form.
Less of a concern withsurrounding crops when putting
on Serrano.
SPEAKER_04 (13:12):
It's good to keep a
chemical like this as you
mentioned.
mentioned, we've had in theportfolio for several years now,
and it's still exhibiting somepretty good activity on the
pests that it's targeting.
We don't often see that kind oflongevity in a herbicide, at
least in our rice system.
So it's good to have an oldreliable there in the toolbox
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when you need it.
Yeah, for sure.
All right, Ashley, thank you fortalking about Serrano.
Is there any upcoming event orprogram that you'd like to
mention that will else isputting on.
SPEAKER_03 (13:48):
We do have up north
out of our Willows and Ordbren
branch, the guys up there reallydo put on a really good rice
meeting.
And they're going to be reallymad at me because I don't know
the date.
But it's normally in sometime inMarch, I think around middle to
end of March.
And that's at the Veterans Hallin Willows.
We could maybe could follow upwith you on that and put
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something in the notes.
But yeah, outside of that, wejust wrapped up our tree grower
tree meetings this past weekthat we offer to our growers.
Outside of that, we're justgetting ready to get out in the
field and get a season going.
SPEAKER_04 (14:26):
Just kind of raring
to put on the hip boots, huh?
SPEAKER_03 (14:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (14:31):
Ashley, would you
mind giving us a contact number
for people who have questionsabout Wilbur Ellis?
SPEAKER_03 (14:36):
Yeah, for sure.
Our local Colusa branch here,the phone number is
530-458-5831.
SPEAKER_04 (14:46):
Perfect.
Thanks.
And so if I have questions, Ican call up that office and I
can ask for Ashley, right?
SPEAKER_03 (14:52):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04 (14:54):
Well, thanks again,
Ashley.
Really appreciate this and we'llsee you out in the field.
Of course.
Thanks, Sarah.
Appreciate it.
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I am fortunate enough to talkwith Mike Martin here from
Valent.
And so, Mike, if you wouldn'tmind giving us some information
about yourself, your job title,your area of coverage, and how
long you've been working withRice Chemicals.
SPEAKER_06 (15:30):
So, yeah, I'm Mike
Martin with ValentUSA.
I am the Field MarketDevelopment Specialist for
Northern California, soessentially like Merced North.
So I pretty much have all therice in California.
I'd say I've been working withrice products off and on since I
started with Valent 18 yearsago.
Started in sales, had a littlebit of rice in the Delta, and
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then went into marketing.
a couple of years intomarketing, I picked up the whole
rice herbicide portfolio for theUS.
So I got some exposure to theMid-South and California as
well.
And then I kind of was away fromit for a couple of years in
another position and came backto the field.
So It seems like every time I'vecome back, I've had to learn
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more, you know, new productscoming in, products that have
been put by the wayside due toresistance and whatnot.
So you miss a couple of years,you miss a lot with rice.
SPEAKER_04 (16:24):
Absolutely,
especially in California.
SPEAKER_06 (16:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (16:26):
Well, Mike, thanks
for that introduction.
Can you tell me about some ofthe products that Valent USA
offers in the rice market?
And by with this, I mean, maybethe already established products
that are pretty household names.
SPEAKER_06 (16:39):
So currently, we
have first off is the
thiobancarb-containing group ofproducts, so that would be
Abolish, Blair Ultramax, andLeague MVP, which also has
imbazosulfur, sorry, BrainBubble.
So yeah, we have those products,and then we also have Regimen,
and all those have been aroundfor quite a long time.
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The thiobancarb is a resistancegroup 15, which the label still
says group 8, but they didactually collapse those group 8
into 15 apparently a few yearsago.
Those products are mainlytargeting sprangletop,
smallflower.
The League MVP picks up morebroadleaf and sedge products
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like Umbrella Plant, Red Stem.
Yeah, those are kind of like thefoundation products.
The regimen is more for cleaningup water grass and some
broadleaf weeds as well.
We also do have a couple ofinsecticides.
First is Zentari, which is abacillus product.
It's Bt.
aizawa, and that's for targetingarmyworms.
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We also have Belay, which isclothianidin, which is a
neonicotinoid, and that's totarget rice water weevil.
We also have Pro-J.
which is a plant growthregulator.
It is labeled on rice, and it'skind of fallen out of favor more
recently, but we're starting tosee some renewed interest in
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that as far as treating seed toget a really good, strong,
healthy start, kind of givingthe rice a head start on weeds.
So we'll see how there's sometrial going out this year, and
we'll see how people use it andhow it performs.
SPEAKER_04 (18:25):
Great, thanks for
giving that background on the
foundational products.
Now, let's talk about what'snew.
What's coming down the pipelinefrom Valent that we should
expect to see on the rice marketin the next year coming seasons?
SPEAKER_06 (18:39):
Yeah, so we had the
rice meetings this week in
several locations, and Imentioned that we have a 2EE
coming for Abolish.
It's Abolish plus Propanil, justgiving specific use directions.
It's certainly legal make thattank mix now.
People have been doing it, butwe're hoping to get that EEE out
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published pretty soon here.
It's really just kind of a stampof approval saying that we
endorse this use pattern and webelieve it's efficacious.
So we've got that coming.
Regiment has been a dry,water-soluble pack since day
one.
This coming year, we're going tobe releasing Regiment EZ, which
is a liquid formulation.
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So that's going to give a littlebit more flexibility on, you
know, on the The load size,because like the water-soluble
packets, you're locked intoincrements of two ounces,
whereas the liquid will be avery concentrated, low-use-rate
product that will give moreflexibility on load size.
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And then there was a pressrelease about 10 days ago that
we've announced basically a newdevelopment agreement with
Kumeyaay for a new activeingredient called
finquinotrione.
The trade name is Afida, andit's an HPPD inhibitor.
So this will be a new activeingredient in rice, primarily to
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target broadleaf and sedges.
Having said that, it's going tobe quite a ways out.
We're probably talking,depending on how the regulatory
schedule goes, probably 7 to 10years.
SPEAKER_04 (20:22):
That makes sense.
That's about how long thosethings usually take, as far as I
understand.
SPEAKER_06 (20:26):
Yeah, people have
been hearing rumors and all
that.
It's good that it's out now thatwe're doing this development.
But yeah, it's going to be awhile.
SPEAKER_04 (20:35):
I am particularly
excited about that liquid
formulation of regimen, becauseI think you mentioned this in
one of the meetings earlier.
Before, when you had thepackets, you had to basically
find a space to use all thatproduct.
But now it seems like thegrowers and PCAs are going to
have a lot more flexibility withmaking their applications Yeah,
SPEAKER_06 (20:53):
we've been selling
it for a couple years now in the
Mid-South and it's performingwell.
It's not going to be any betteror worse.
From what I've seen, all thetrials I've looked at, it's
pretty much identicalperformance across the board.
Good to hear.
With
SPEAKER_04 (21:09):
this new lineup of
items coming down, the 2EE label
on the Abolish EC, the liquidform of regimen, is there any
special cautions or licenses orconsiderations to be taken into
consideration for those who aregoing to implement this into
their programs?
SPEAKER_06 (21:27):
Yeah, no, the
regiment, there'll be nothing
different.
We still will have the sameadjuvant.
There's a separate documentthat's in the adjuvants that
we've tested and approved to goalong with the regiment.
That'll be the same as the dry.
I mean, with thiobend carb andregiment both, there's county
conditions, there's bufferzones, water hold restrictions,
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and you really have to combthrough the labels to understand
it all.
And you also have to, it Withthe thiobend carb, there's
mandatory thiobend carbtraining.
With the regiment, the mainconcern is drift to sensitive
crops, which a long time ago,everything was rice up north,
but now we've got every crop youcan imagine.
So, you know, tree nuts andfruit and all that are very
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sensitive to regiments.
You have to mind the bufferrestrictions, but we also do a
stewardship program where wecertify aircraft.
Any aircraft that's going toapply regiment needs to be
recertified every three years.
Sometimes um, aerial applicatorswill bring their planes in more
often if they change somethingor whatever, but, uh, that's
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just to really, you know, we doa thorough test of the spray
pattern and make sure thatthey're getting the least amount
of drift as possible.
So in the past, we've, we'vealso used a dry, uh, blank
material to test the aircraft.
And we've, we've also testedmore recently with the liquid to
just see if they, you know, ifthere's any difference in drift
or anything like that.
And, uh, They seem equal, ifanything.
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Maybe the liquid's a little bitless prone to drift, but I'm not
sure if we're willing to makethat statement.
I think it's just, at worst,it's the same.
SPEAKER_04 (23:08):
Got it.
Yeah.
Okay.
And so let's talk aboutavailability.
Just to reaffirm this, theliquid form of regiment
available 2025 season andabolish EC that to W label
season 2025, right?
UNKNOWN (23:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (23:26):
Yeah, I believe both
will be in place by the youth
season.
Since the abolish is just a EEE,it doesn't actually need to be
approved by DPR.
It's really one of the finalstages of approving internally
with our regulatory department.
And then when it comes to theregiment EZ, I believe that that
will be well before the youthseason as well.
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Unless anything pops upunexpected, it should be good to
go.
SPEAKER_04 (23:53):
Great.
Thank you.
And you already kind ofmentioned this.
I heard you talk at the Cortevaherbicide meetings this past
week and then at CWSS the weekbefore.
Are you doing any more infomeetings or upcoming events in
the next couple of weeks ormonths or so?
SPEAKER_06 (24:12):
Yeah, it's actually
been kind of a meeting marathon.
So yes, we had the meetings lastweek, this week.
But also next Tuesday, the 4th,We will have a rice meeting at
Colusa Casino.
And so that will begin at noonwith lunch, and then we'll have
a product presentation lineup.
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And that is specifically forrice.
And then we will also have onelater.
We'll have one on March 20th,and that will be at Sierra
Nevada Brewing.
Same sort of deal.
We'll start with lunch and thenhave product presentations.
um beyond that uh we we willhave the aerial certification uh
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probably in march you know it'sif the thing is with that thing
with that uh event is that it'sso weather dependent um between
wind and planes being availableand all that it's kind of a
circus to manage but um probablyprobably mid-march is my guess
SPEAKER_04 (25:16):
Thanks for that
information on the upcoming
events, Mike.
We'll be sure to find links tothat and link them in the show
notes for anybody who'sinterested.
And so with that, we've kind ofcome to the end of our chat here
today.
Is there a place that people cango for more information about
Valent or the products or evento contact you with any more
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questions?
SPEAKER_06 (25:37):
Sure.
Valent.com.
We have a really nice, nicelyupdated webpage and easy to
navigate.
We do have sections by crop, soyou can click on rice or
whatever else may suit you.
And I can be contacted directlyat mike.martin at Valent if
anyone has questions.
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Also, I support ChristinaMadden.
She's the sales rep in NorthernCalifornia who covers rice, so
she can be contacted as well.
As far as the events coming up,the meetings, those are all out
there on social media.
Just Google it, valent ricemeetings, and they'll pop up.
SPEAKER_04 (26:17):
Great.
Thank you so much, Mike.
We really appreciate you comingon today.
SPEAKER_06 (26:20):
Thank you.
Appreciate the opportunity.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04 (26:39):
We have a few
upcoming rice meetings in the
new year.
As you know, we'll be having ourrice winter grower meetings in
February.
And so we have a series ofmeetings.
They all have the same agenda.
Don't go to every singlemeeting.
You'll be awfully bored.
But pick one.
Pick the one that's closest toyou or most convenient to you
and attend that one.
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So the first one will be thewoodland meeting, which will
take place February 10th at 8a.m.
The location for that will bethe The second meeting will be
the Richvale meeting, which willtake place February 12th at 8
a.m.
The location of that is theRichvale Evangelical Church.
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The Willows meeting will be thatsame day, February 12th at 1
p.m., and that location will bethe Glen County Office of
Education.
The Colusa meeting will takeplace February 13th at 8 a.m.
in the CIP conference room, andthe Yuba City meeting will take
place that same day again,February 13th at 1 p.m., and
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that'll be in the Veterans Hall.
For more information aboutmeeting times and locations or
addresses and agendas, pleasefeel free to look at our
resources online.
That'll include the UC Rice blogand the UC Agronomy website, or
feel free to call your localExtension Office for more
information.
In terms of other resources thatyou might take advantage of, you
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can also look at ournewsletters, which include Rice
Briefs, which covers ColusaYolo, Rice Notes, which covers
Yuba Sutter, Rice Leaf, whichcovers Butte and Glen, and Field
Notes, which takes care of ricein the Delta region of
California.
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