May 6, 2025 • 47 mins
In this inspiring episode, host Makita welcomes Dr. Jan Schwartz, an award-winning author, speaker, and expert in criminology, forensic behavior science, and homeland security. Dr. Schwartz shares her journey from growing up in a Chicago suburb, surrounded by organized crime and strong community leadership, to becoming a beacon of resilience and hope. She discusses the profound impact of her loving elementary school teachers, who instilled in her a deep sense of care and leadership, and how these experiences shaped her work in white-collar and organized crime investigations. Dr. Schwartz introduces her concept of "authentic intelligence," a blend of mental, emotional, and spiritual gifts that can empower individuals and communities. She also reflects on her best-selling book, Last Summer with Oscar, and her upcoming release, which explores how to harness these gifts to create a meaningful life. With stories of courage, trust, and humility, this episode is a heartfelt exploration of resilience and the power of authentic connection.
- Key Topics Discussed:
- Dr. Schwartz’s childhood in a Chicago suburb, influenced by organized crime and strong community leadership.
- The transformative role of her elementary school teachers in fostering resilience and leadership.
- Her concept of "authentic intelligence" and its role in personal and communal growth.
- Insights from her book Last Summer with Oscar and her upcoming release on mental, emotional, and spiritual gifts.
- A powerful story of standing firm during an interrogation by a Fortune 500 chairman and his mafioso associates.
- Books Mentioned:
- Last Summer with Oscar: A moving story of love, courage, and a dog’s journey with cancer.
- Upcoming release: Authentic Intelligence: How to Use Your Mental, Emotional, and Spiritual Gifts to Create the Life and World You Want.
- Key Takeaway: Dr. Schwartz emphasizes the importance of humility, trust, and feeding our mental, emotional, and spiritual intelligence to live resilient, authentic lives.
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Jane (00:00):
And so the whole concept in this is that we have a
treasure of intelligences, thatwe're so busy with social media,
we're so busy keeping up withour lives, we're forgetting that
what we need to do is befeeding our intelligences and
not just our egos.
(00:20):
And there's ways, fun ways,enjoyable ways to do with our
families, to do with our friends, to do by ourselves, to feed
our mental intelligence, ouremotional intelligence, our
spiritual intelligence.
Mikita (00:34):
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Welcome back.
It is time for tea and I'm yourhost.
Mikita, I want to thank you somuch for sharing your time, your
space and, of course, youramazing energy with me today.
Today, I am super excited towelcome Dr Jane Schwartz, an
award-winning author, speakerand specialist in criminology,
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forensic behavior science andhomeland security.
Her work centers on the powerof resilience, hope and what she
calls authentic intelligence tohelp us heal, grow and create
the world we truly want.
One of her best-selling booksLast Summer, with Oscar, shares
a moving story of love andcourage, and she also has an
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upcoming release that we'regoing to talk about later on in
this podcast, because this divesdeeper into harnessing our
mental, emotional and spiritualgifts, and I really want to give
us the opportunity to kind oflean in to our authentic
intelligence.
So join me in giving aheartfelt welcome to Jane.
(02:45):
Welcome and thank you so muchfor sharing your space with us.
Jane (02:48):
Oh, a warm hello to you, makita, and to all of your
listeners.
It's a privilege to be with you, thank you.
Mikita (02:56):
Thank you.
I am really excited to havethis conversation.
I know during the introductionI was telling people a little
bit about you, know what you doand who you are, but I'm just
truly fascinated about whatfirst sparked your passion for
understanding human potentialand resilience in a suburb of
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Chicago and vividly recallphotos of Mayor Richard Daley
and organized crime figures, allwearing fedoras, on the Sunday
issue of the Chicago Tribune.
Jane (03:36):
And there was a respect for Mayor
Daley because, although no onespoke about it, organized crime
was a reality in the Chicagoarea and there didn't seem to be
any concerns of safety in goingdowntown.
People understood that MayorDaley had his own way of
managing the power struggles andturf issues and he was
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respected for it.
And while this was going on andI saw all of that leadership in
this wonderful milieu, chicagois a wonderful place to grow up
because of the great diversity,the neighborhoods, the blending
of all kinds of cultures andattitudes about subjects, and
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everyone seems to mesh togetherAt the same time.
I'm learning about that kind ofleadership against such
powerful figures of darkness.
I had extraordinary leadershipand love around me because I was
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being fueled by the most loving, creative and highly
intelligent elementary schoolteachers.
Now we talk about how wetreasure our teachers and this
was a group.
It was this universal spiritamong them to just enhance and
draw and they provided me withthe deepest affection and
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provided me with leadershipopportunities and they were
highly intent on drawing out thebest and honoring the best in
me.
So when I grew up, I view thoseteachers as presenting to me
the true love of God, and so,from all that they taught me and
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from their spirit of treasuringtheir students treasuring me I
began to feel that they weregiving me the purest love and,
as a result, I view God as myparent.
So, you see, I was from a veryyoung age.
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I can remember looking out mybedroom window at kindergarten
graduation.
I had given this speech because, you know, they were always
trying to promote me as a leader, not just me but others in
their areas where they sawstrengths.
And so, after I gave thisspeech, I remember pulling up
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the blind and looking up andhaving this conversation with
God as if we were in thisdiscussion, because, you see, he
was my father.
So, from a very young age I hadan imprint of profound love and
goodness on me that has createdsuch maybe it's so internally a
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part of my heart, my soul, myessence, that I don't have the
same level of fear orapprehension that people I talk
to do so in my work, and I'mpresident of a non-profit,
not-for-fee investigative firmand my specialty is white color,
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organized crime and the whitecolor organized community.
So you see, I I'm not in, I'mnot in shallow water here, I'm,
I'm in the deep end and I've gotlots of slippery people that
that are working their wayaround me and hoping to deceive
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to such competent leadershipthat my parents never once
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thought oh, we can't let Jan hopon the bus and then take the L
to go downtown Chicago to writeher English paper and come back
six, eight hours later You'renodding your head.
You know that this is not theway life is now in Chicago.
So you see, I'm just wanting toemphasize that we were blessed
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with such a strong figure thatwas commanding the presence of
such a dominating force that weknew was there but was quiet.
They were quiet.
And so, as my life went on, andwhen I stepped out, I became an
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elementary teacher and went onto be to attend graduate school,
to become a family psychologistand, as would have it, my
postdoctoral internship was withcriminal kids at a residential
treatment facility, and when Iwas there I was filled with such
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a love, of course, for thesefuture Charles Mansons that you
know, 10 of these adjudicatedjuvenile delinquents were in a
cottage with 10 adults and eachhad their own array of problems
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and I work with them and theirfamilies.
But importantly is that myrelationship with these kids was
such a priority to me that theymust have felt it, because when
they got into trouble and whenthey got thrown into this very
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small room, this padded cell,essentially they would ask to
speak with me.
So here I was, being able tobring in the love into that cell
, and the guard said no, you, heis, he is just too dangerous
right now.
This is not a good idea and Iwould just say I waive all
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concerns.
Let me go to Sam and I walkedin and, in this very small room,
sat down on the mat and he andI began to talk and I walked him
out when we finished the talk.
And so when it was time for meto leave to marry my husband
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actually and my internship hadended, in my exit interview, my
supervisor said what do youthink it was that you did that
was able to impact thesechallenging kids and their
families?
Well, I didn't have muchself-awareness, truly, makita.
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I just said well, I just lovedthem, I loved them all.
And she looked at me with apuzzled face like I think
there's more to it.
But see, I wasn't focusing onwhat am I doing, right?
I just wanted to be there, justlike my teachers had been there
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for me.
I wanted that as the imprintthat continues to play out.
That's one of the themes thatyou're going to hear again and
again in my life is I bring inthat quality of caring?
Because it is just who I becameas a result of those teachers'
input and, you know, a greatimpression on me.
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But when life went on and Imarried my husband and was ready
to open my private practice,wanted to save the world, okay,
wanted to work with all thesefamilies, open a free family
therapy clinic, all ready to doit, and wouldn't you know it,
the realtor wouldn't show up orthe owner of the property didn't
(12:07):
bring the right key.
And here I was getting thesepuzzled messages about why can't
I find a place to rent, whereasin the background I was having
all of these people tell me darkstories and secrets, what was
going on, and it was happeningat such a frequency that I
couldn't dismiss it and more andmore, in every event I went to,
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or when I would be walkingsomewhere, someone would say you
know, I have to tell you this,and perhaps it was because of
being a psychologist, becausethey would think that I may not
share their story and theirconfidence would be protectable.
Of course, that would be partof my training to abide, but
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they weren't clients of mine.
It was just that they trustedme, and when people trust me, I
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take that seriously.
Very concerning securityincidents that eventually led up
to a visit from a Fortune 500company chairman of the board.
His two sons and this chairmanwore a fedora and here was his
sons and here also accompanyingthem was their mafioso, and I
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got interrogated for 25 minutes.
Now you know I'm going to stopright here with this story,
because I already told you thatmy life is marked with two
themes.
Right, I am face to face,remembering you know what the
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Torah signified in thosepictures, and I'm evaluating
what's going on in front of meand I'm experiencing the most
terse, the most unpleasantconversation that I had had yet
in my life.
And I stood firm and I stoodstrong.
And, ladies out there, ifyou're a person who wears heels,
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I had my highest heels on thatday and I had on a good suit and
I looked them firmly in the eyeand I straightened out their
thinking about who I was,because, you see, they wanted to
know what I was doing in theircommunity and what family I was
representing.
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Now, miquita, if you had beenexposed to that, would you know
what they're meaning whenthey're saying what family?
But see, for me, I knew justwhat they were doing, because I
had been reading these articles,seeing these pictures, as a
young child, every Sunday on thecoffee table.
So it was just all of a sudden,here was something that I was
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slightly familiar with, albeitjust through a newspaper cover,
but that was the start.
That was the moment where all ofthe thoughts about opening a
private practice were pushedaside, because I knew this was
not normal and that the stories,and for the organized crime
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leader here of this group tocome out of his house Apparently
he hadn't been out in threeyears Something about me was
threatening them, and so thatwas a moment where I said that's
it, I'm going to dig into this.
And so, to my great surprise, Istarted what I say surprise.
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I started what I say poundingthe pavement and started
building this group of peoplewho and it was all through
public information and all donein a spirit of truthfulness, no
deception, and that was thebeginning, and as time went by,
I was gathering up a lot of dataand I was creating quite a
large chart and I had to reachout to people for advice and for
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some suggestions, because, whatdid I know?
I got to a certain point and soI would call up the people who
were my heroes.
Who were my heroes, and itended up being.
It was the FBI, a high intensitydrug unit in a money laundering
unit in Manhattan, that Icalled up and there was a
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liaison that I called at theDA's Morgenthau's office at the
time, and then they connected meto the FBI's hide, a money
laundering unit, and they calledme and the next day I was there
in their offices.
(17:16):
Okay, so the the, it, it just.
My learning curve was just very, very steep, very, very fast,
because the threat was real andthe information that I was
finding, to my great surprise,was meaningful to the
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authorities that I eventuallyreached out to.
Mikita (17:41):
So Wow, like that.
That was a lot.
I love the fact that you wereable to.
Your foundation was set.
Like you, you grew up in a spacewhere you saw what it looked
like to be a leader, what itlooked like to have resilience
Because when you have anyone,that's that's showing you what
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it means to be a leader.
There are challenges, there areobstacles, they're overcoming
something and the fact that evenat a young age you had teachers
and people present that sawthis potential in you and you
always had this great love ofpeople and doing the right thing
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and building community.
People and doing the right thingand building community.
And I know at one point youmust have felt like when those
doors were shutting and nobody'sshowing up with the right keys
and they weren't ready, thebuildings to you is.
I know that was so frustratingand challenging, but I'm sure
that through all of that, thoseexperiences taught you about
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turning your challenges intoopportunities of growth.
So throughout that, it seemslike you had that moment where
you could have said, oh my gosh,like the mafia is here, I'm
going to go the other way, I'mnot going to let you know, I'm
just going to go do somethingelse.
And yet you said you know what.
There's another greater problemhere in the community and I'm
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going to help these, the peoplein our community, to you know,
find their own resilience and toovercome some of that.
Jane (19:16):
Right, and since I was thrown into the deep end of the
pool, I was not about when hereI had people who trusted me and
they were sharing stories.
I was the newcomer in thecommunity, so, as I thought
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about it, at first it was it'sjust people sharing stories, but
then I realized they'reterrified.
They're realizing that theirfreedom, their opportunities are
restricted, their lives areoppressed because of this
dominating force that'scontrolling everything and
bringing a coercion, acoerciveness and a with a way of
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influencing all decisions madeby the community.
It made me angry, but I do wantto go back a bit.
When you said that when, sinceopening my private practice was
something I wanted to do for thelongest time.
I can't tell you how much Ilooked forward to that.
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How much I looked forward tothat Because I've had a life of
overcoming and I've alwaysviewed that, because I've had so
many unusual experiences, thatmaybe there would be something
about my personality or someenergy about me that people
could feel that I could handlewhatever.
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They would be telling me thatthey would be safe with me, they
could trust me with their lives, their family's lives, and we
could grow together.
So you can imagine when I wasgetting all of these unusual
patterns of rejection that I itbothered me deeply.
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I want to emphasize that I thathad been my dream, and for me
to let go of a dream that Ithought was my path, that, and
here I trusted God as my fatherand and here, very quickly, he
pulled it away and sent mezooming at full speed in a
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direction that no one could havepossibly prepared me for.
And it was only because of mydeepest conviction.
And also, you see, I had a goodexample there on the cover of
the Chicago Tribune.
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I learned that it can be donebecause it was being done and
you know, we just had StPatrick's Day and I always check
to see if each year in Chicago,if they still dye the river
green, and they do it and it'swith a non-toxic coloring.
But it's that 60 years, andthat was something that the
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Mayor Daley, it was his gift tothe city to celebrate the
significance of the IrishAmericans to the Chicago area.
And he honored groups, hehonored cultures and he stood
firm, and he stood firm and heprotected people.
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So I already saw it could bedone and just vicariously, just
stepped in.
And so that same spirit wheresomeone said to me what's your
definition of fearless?
Do you consider yourself afearless person?
Well, I said I know one thing Icertainly do not have fear like
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other people.
Now, if I'm on an airplane andall of a sudden you know we're
dropping and it's very turbulent, yes, heaven is, you know, just
a little bit up, so that'scomforting, but you know it's
not a pleasant thought, like arewe headed for a difficult
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flight?
I'm not saying I don't havethose feelings like any human
being would be on an airplane,but when I'm talking about
adversity and when I'm talkingabout facing anger, facing evil,
I do not have the same.
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And I learned that.
And visiting when I was calledin by the criminal kids to be
with them in their distress.
You see, that's another exampleI had where I stepped in with a
knowing and I didn't realizethen that I was already
utilizing my authenticintelligence, my knowing.
I was implementing it then andgetting closer to people, which
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is my ultimate goal, to betrusted people, which is my
ultimate goal, to be trusted, tooffer help and to empower and
raise everyone up and to shareeverything that I've learned
with all of you.
That's my ultimate goal,everything I've learned.
So I guess the long and shortof it is is that those things
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will be present in everything Ido, and so my caring is going to
be deeper.
And why is it still continuing?
Because here, let's look at thisyou have provided me with this
lovely opportunity to have aheart-to-heart with you, and
it's such a joy to meet you andto be with your listeners.
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So, you see, I get thisaffirmation and I couldn't be
happier to connect with you andto receive your questions and
your interests and in yourdesire to share how people have
learned to be resilient, toshare how people have learned to
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be resilient, and before webegan the taping, I mentioned to
you that, boy, wouldn't it besomething if there happened to
be an emotional vitamin calledresiliency.
You know that we give to, youknow, two-year-olds,
three-year-olds, you know whereit just becomes.
We don't have to call itresiliency, but we can call it
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something that's age appropriateand say and then, by the time
where you're my age, we saynever, ever, let anyone write
the ending to your story.
And we could also say never,ever, let anyone or anything
write the ending to your story,never, never.
So you see, we can change thatsentence.
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We can provide that emotionalvitamin, that little tip through
each stage, each year of ourlives, because this is how we
can live and how we can movetoward becoming our most
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fulfilled self.
So inhale courage, exhale doubtand step forward with
conviction.
Mikita (26:50):
I like that and I love the fact that you said never let
anything or anyone write theending of your story.
I think I tell people that allthe time, like you are the
author of the story.
You know, and sometimes we dohave to trust God.
You know, sometimes we think wehave everything figured out and
we are on the path that wethink he wants us to be on.
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We are on the path that wethink he wants us to be on, but
really all he's doing was givingus tools and giving us people
that he's placing in our livesto prepare us for not
necessarily what we want to do,but what he has already destined
for us to be and to do.
And when we trust that fully,you're right, you're unstoppable
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.
There is no fear in living inyour purpose and stepping into
that.
And when you mentioned yourauthentic intelligence, it made
me think of the fact that youcurrently are.
Your next book is going to beon authentic intelligence.
Can you share a little bit onone piece that you wish that you
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know if you had to go back andtell yourself your younger self
anything when it comes toauthentic intelligence?
Or just one word of advice youknow.
Jane (28:10):
I would like to share with you how this whole concept of
understanding this authenticintelligence came about.
Another conversation I had andthis was when I was writing last
summer with Oscar the difficultbook about our dogs, detailing
the joys and sorrows of himfinding his own cure for his
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cancer, and so I'm one of thosepeople that I don't like staying
in that zone of sorrow, so I dosomething creative and happy.
So that's just my personality,okay.
So I started creating these,writing down these tips and
putting them on Facebook threetimes a week to kind of buffer
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what I needed to do.
And while I was in a coffeeshop, you know maybe in that
afternoon crying because I'mwriting about Oscar, the next
day I'm writing this cheerfultip, you know, for Facebook, so
for my friends, and so what?
I was having coffee one daywith a Facebook friend who
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happened to be a formerAssociated Press bureau chief of
a major East Coast city and hesaid to me well, jan, where are
you getting these tips?
Where are you getting them from?
Is it from some book or is itsome?
Where are you getting thesefrom getting them from?
Is it from some book or is itsome?
Where are you getting thesefrom?
It seems like you're talking,so it's probably your ideas, but
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where are they coming from?
And so I was surprised becauseI didn't expect to come up with
this answer.
But this is what I said to himDan, imagine three interrelated
circles.
The top, left, representsmental intelligence, or IQ.
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The second to the right,represents emotional
intelligence, or EQ, and belowit is a circle representing
spiritual intelligence, or SQ.
The area common to all threecircles is where I find my
knowing at that convergence.
Well, that he said write thatdown, because that's your next
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book.
And so it is.
And that's where this wholebook came from, because here my
colleague said this is helpful,this is good, and these tips
you're doing.
So it ends up that I wrote 251tips, and there are all kinds of
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things that I have done throughall of these years to lead me
through and to feed myintelligences so sorry, my
allergies, excuse me the mentalintelligence, feeding our
emotional intelligence, ourspiritual intelligence, and so
there's all of these tips ofactivities to do.
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But the book begins, and thename of it is Authentic
Intelligence how to use yourmental, emotional and spiritual
gifts to create the life andworld you want.
And so the whole concept inthis is that we have a treasure
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of intelligences, that we're sobusy with social media, we're so
busy keeping up with our lives,we're forgetting that what we
need to do is be feeding ourintelligences, and not just our
egos, our egos.
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And there's ways, fun ways,enjoyable ways to do with our
families, to do with our friends, to do by ourselves, to feed
our mental intelligence, ouremotional intelligence, our
spiritual intelligence.
And what happens is, as we doit, we provide ourselves with
this, in this area ofconvergence, the greatest wisdom
to tap into when we need it.
So when it's time for to make ajudgment on something, when it's
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an emergency and we need tospring into action as a nurse,
you know this you're tappingyour authentic intelligence all
the time, and the greater.
If you want to have goodjudgment, you must feed your
intelligences.
That's how you get it.
And so the fourth intelligence,our inner world, lifts it up,
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and it's right there, in themiddle.
Right there, we can tap into itin a second moment.
And so the book is aboutintroducing a discussion of all
the intelligences.
And then there's an interestingchapter on authentic
intelligence in action, wherethere's 10 examples of
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phenomenal stories of the endingof everything was so excellent
because of the authenticintelligence used.
Excuse me, so I'm passionateabout it, as you might know.
Mikita (33:28):
Well, that's good, because you know what I love
when people are passionate aboutsomething that gives them
purpose.
And it's not just passionatebecause it gives you purpose,
it's because you are trulymaking a difference and you're
doing something that you love.
And when you do things that youlove, you spread that love,
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even though other people arebeacons of light for us and a
definition or vision of what wesee.
As you know, someone to inspireto be or inspire to do more
that inspiration for otherpeople when they look at us.
And a lot of times when we'redoing things in our lives, we
don't see how the impact and howinfluential we really are in
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other people's lives.
So I love when people have sucha huge passion and love for
just showing up in otherpeople's lives to remind them
that, for just showing up inother people's lives to remind
them that.
Jane (34:29):
And to keep finding joy in others' achievements and the
absolute delight in watchingpeople transform.
I can't get enough of it.
Those are some things I justcouldn't wait to share with you
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and your listeners.
Mikita (34:53):
Yeah, I think it's so amazing to see someone just find
that spark of knowing of whothey are.
Because when you talk aboutauthentic intelligence like you
said, nursing or anything wedon't realize how much knowledge
we possess, we don't know howmuch self-awareness that we
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truly have and sometimes we haveto kind of pull back a little
bit to see the bigger picture ofthat.
We all bring a sense of wealthand knowledge.
Bring a sense of wealth andknowledge.
Sometimes we take for grantedthe things that we just
automatically know or feel.
Some people can walk into aroom and just automatically be
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gravitated to certain peoplebecause of their energy.
You can just be in someone'spresence sometimes and be like
you know what I can feel.
They are exactly who they saythey are.
Their heart is good.
They are genuinely a trulyamazing person.
Jane (35:54):
Yes, those are very, very wonderful moments to find people
like that and to be in theirpresence.
I also wanted to say is thatand it's important for us to
remember that as we move forwardand we develop our ideas um and
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I provided the example of mycolleague giving me his
perspective uh, I would neverhave thought of this book.
He well, I was looking theconcept, but he said this is
your next book.
So you see, it's so importantto remember as we move through
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life that we can be enriched.
We may not know how others areperceiving us.
We may not know how others areperceiving us.
It may be they're perceiving usin ways that we need to hear
about.
So, pulling into theconversation, the valuing of
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others' perspective, our ownperspective, the world's
perspective, all of these thingsit in into consideration.
Okay, this may be how I feelabout a certain idea about,
maybe this these kinds of foodsare good to to serve my family.
(37:24):
Well, someone else may have adifferent perspective.
So we're enriched by drawing inothers' perspectives about
ourselves.
If they're kind enough to shareit.
It may be an opportunity for usto grow and develop and
increase our self-perception bytheir feedback.
(37:48):
That's an important task ofbecoming mature, emotionally
mature, is taking in the wholepicture and wanting to hear from
others.
You know so.
Human beings are fascinating,aren't they?
Yes, yes, you know so.
Human beings are fascinating,aren't they?
Mikita (38:08):
Yes, yes, humans are, we are all fascinating individuals
and you're right, you have tohave that ability to take it all
in and I think, a lot of times,even for I would have to say,
even like for me, even startingmy podcast it wasn't my idea
either.
For me, like I had no plans tostart a podcast, it was my
(38:32):
husband who was like you should.
You know, I was doing shortvideos on herbs and, you know,
just sharing my love andknowledge of what I've learned.
And he was like you know, ofwhat I've learned.
And he was like you know, youshould start a podcast.
And it was just amazingsometimes that people can see
(38:53):
little.
They plant seeds in us to forus to think outside of the box.
You know I love the idea ofplanting seeds of suggestion
that you know you can do this ifyou want, and I feel like
that's what your friend did foryou.
He planted that seed that thiscould be your next book.
It's up to you.
But yeah, plant the seed therefor you and then you grew it
(39:15):
into what it is now and I feellike you know what.
I'm just curious as to knowwhere do you feel this journey
is taking you and what's thenext edge you're stepping toward
with your authenticintelligence.
Jane (39:29):
I don't know when we're at right now with the book.
Is it's a miracle?
But there's 218 people who arethe promotional partners and I
thank you from the bottom of myheart.
Emotional partners and I thankyou from the bottom of my heart.
(39:53):
And the interest is is?
I'm so taken aback by it and Ihave wondered.
I'm so busy now putting togetherthe book proposal and within
the month that'll be done.
And then it's time to what wesay query book agents.
And because I want so much toshare everything that I have
learned with an internationalaudience, I am so hoping that
(40:21):
God will lead me to a book agentwho believes so much in the
work that they find a publisher,who believes so much in the
project that they will want topublish it internationally for
the world and especiallyAmerica's allies.
(40:45):
And so you see, I'm pullingtogether my work in the
intelligence gathering field andmy colleagues that have
impressed me and imprinted mylife in so many ways.
I will never forget them and Iwant them to learn the things
(41:06):
that I have learned.
And then I want you all to gointo your areas and share it.
Mikita (41:20):
That's what I want.
I love that.
I love that and I love the factthat you know you're not just
stopping and I feel like youknow what.
You know everything, not juststopping, and I feel like you
know what you know.
everything happens for a reasonand through god, anything is
probably I really feel that foryou, that next step of you know,
taking it and sharing it withnot just the inner world of the
(41:42):
us, but taking it and sharing itinternationally with the yes,
the bigger world, other Otherpeople can moment to just.
I mean sharing what you learned, you know, sometimes, when we
are sharing our ideas and youknow things that we went through
, it's always nice to know thatyou know someone else has faced
a challenge, but they didn'tstay in that situation, that
(42:10):
situation that we are allcapable of resilience and moving
forward from any, anything Fromanything, and in these tips
that I'm sharing real lifesituations, steps that I did
that brought me out of whateversituation I was in.
Jane (42:30):
Each of those tips is feeding mental intelligence,
emotional intelligence orspiritual intelligence.
So it becomes a fun activityand I'm hoping that many
families will do an activitytogether, together, or if they
do the activities individually,then as they're driving
(42:50):
somewhere together, they'll sayhey, by the way, what did you
come up with for this or that?
I hope it becomes a fun littlepiece of conversation.
So that's where my thoughts?
Mikita (43:10):
That's where my thoughts .
What is one tip you would liketo leave?
Jane (43:23):
with listeners or one word of advice, or just something
you want listeners to walk awaywith as they're listening to
this now.
I think my favorite tip ishumility, and Mother Teresa has
(43:44):
a wonderful quote where shetalks about I'm not going to
give you the full quote becauseI want to just discuss it but
she says that we can.
We don't have to think ofourselves as less.
We don't have to think ofourselves as more.
That way, we always know who weare.
When we can have a spirit ofeagerness and confidence to
(44:11):
deliver a speech, to participatein a podcast, humility is that.
It is that it's not having thearrogance or boastfulnessfulness
.
It's not that it's notoverdoing the well I don't know
(44:34):
if I can do that, I don'tminimizing yourself.
It's being aware of who you are, but not Not thinking less of
what you know, not acting lessabout what you know about
yourself and not acting moreabout what you know about
(44:56):
yourself.
It's that's what humility isand that is my favorite tip.
It is the most essentialgrounding and people have
mentioned to me over the yearswhen something unusual has
(45:25):
happened.
They on Facebook.
Why won't you do a hugeself-promotion of yourself on
Facebook?
And I would say I don't knowthat I right now know how to do
(45:45):
that kind of self-promotingwithout coming across in ways
that isn't me.
And one way I did announcesomething on LinkedIn once was I
credit?
I announced it was when Ibecame a fellow of the American
(46:07):
Psychological Association, andit was a huge, a huge gift, a
huge award.
And I announced it by saying Idedicate this post to everyone
who has believed in me, and thereaction was an opportunity to
(46:36):
do some wonderful connectingwith people that I don't get to
talk to that much anymore, andthat was just excuse me.
It was a moment of true,genuine happiness and, um, I
hope that I will find more waysto be able to promote the book
(47:03):
that fall into that zone ofenergy.
I'm constantly a student oflife.
Mikita (47:13):
Thank you so much.
I just want to say thank you,Jane, for sharing your wisdom
and reminding us of the power ofresilience and authentic
intelligence.
Your insight on overcomingchallenges and embracing our
full potential are sure toresonate with our listeners.
So thank you so much for beingpart of this community.
Jane (47:31):
I'm so pleased to meet you and to be with you today.
Thank you so much for theinvitation.
Mikita (47:36):
All right, you guys.
That is all the tea that wehave to spill today.
Until next time, namaste.
And so the whole concept in this is that we have a
treasure of intelligences, thatwe're so busy with social media,
we're so busy keeping up withour lives, we're forgetting that
what we need to do is befeeding our intelligences and
not just our egos.
(00:20):
And there's ways, fun ways,enjoyable ways to do with our
families, to do with our friends, to do by ourselves, to feed
our mental intelligence, ouremotional intelligence, our
spiritual intelligence.
Mikita (00:34):
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It is time for tea and I'm yourhost.
Mikita, I want to thank you somuch for sharing your time, your
space and, of course, youramazing energy with me today.
Today, I am super excited towelcome Dr Jane Schwartz, an
award-winning author, speakerand specialist in criminology,
(02:04):
forensic behavior science andhomeland security.
Her work centers on the powerof resilience, hope and what she
calls authentic intelligence tohelp us heal, grow and create
the world we truly want.
One of her best-selling booksLast Summer, with Oscar, shares
a moving story of love andcourage, and she also has an
(02:24):
upcoming release that we'regoing to talk about later on in
this podcast, because this divesdeeper into harnessing our
mental, emotional and spiritualgifts, and I really want to give
us the opportunity to kind oflean in to our authentic
intelligence.
So join me in giving aheartfelt welcome to Jane.
(02:45):
Welcome and thank you so muchfor sharing your space with us.
Jane (02:48):
Oh, a warm hello to you, makita, and to all of your
listeners.
It's a privilege to be with you, thank you.
Mikita (02:56):
Thank you.
I am really excited to havethis conversation.
I know during the introductionI was telling people a little
bit about you, know what you doand who you are, but I'm just
truly fascinated about whatfirst sparked your passion for
understanding human potentialand resilience in a suburb of
(03:21):
Chicago and vividly recallphotos of Mayor Richard Daley
and organized crime figures, allwearing fedoras, on the Sunday
issue of the Chicago Tribune.
Jane (03:36):
And there was a respect for Mayor
Daley because, although no onespoke about it, organized crime
was a reality in the Chicagoarea and there didn't seem to be
any concerns of safety in goingdowntown.
People understood that MayorDaley had his own way of
managing the power struggles andturf issues and he was
(03:57):
respected for it.
And while this was going on andI saw all of that leadership in
this wonderful milieu, chicagois a wonderful place to grow up
because of the great diversity,the neighborhoods, the blending
of all kinds of cultures andattitudes about subjects, and
(04:23):
everyone seems to mesh togetherAt the same time.
I'm learning about that kind ofleadership against such
powerful figures of darkness.
I had extraordinary leadershipand love around me because I was
(04:44):
being fueled by the most loving, creative and highly
intelligent elementary schoolteachers.
Now we talk about how wetreasure our teachers and this
was a group.
It was this universal spiritamong them to just enhance and
draw and they provided me withthe deepest affection and
(05:09):
provided me with leadershipopportunities and they were
highly intent on drawing out thebest and honoring the best in
me.
So when I grew up, I view thoseteachers as presenting to me
the true love of God, and so,from all that they taught me and
(05:31):
from their spirit of treasuringtheir students treasuring me I
began to feel that they weregiving me the purest love and,
as a result, I view God as myparent.
So, you see, I was from a veryyoung age.
(05:53):
I can remember looking out mybedroom window at kindergarten
graduation.
I had given this speech because, you know, they were always
trying to promote me as a leader, not just me but others in
their areas where they sawstrengths.
And so, after I gave thisspeech, I remember pulling up
(06:13):
the blind and looking up andhaving this conversation with
God as if we were in thisdiscussion, because, you see, he
was my father.
So, from a very young age I hadan imprint of profound love and
goodness on me that has createdsuch maybe it's so internally a
(06:41):
part of my heart, my soul, myessence, that I don't have the
same level of fear orapprehension that people I talk
to do so in my work, and I'mpresident of a non-profit,
not-for-fee investigative firmand my specialty is white color,
(07:04):
organized crime and the whitecolor organized community.
So you see, I I'm not in, I'mnot in shallow water here, I'm,
I'm in the deep end and I've gotlots of slippery people that
that are working their wayaround me and hoping to deceive
(07:27):
to such competent leadershipthat my parents never once
(07:48):
thought oh, we can't let Jan hopon the bus and then take the L
to go downtown Chicago to writeher English paper and come back
six, eight hours later You'renodding your head.
You know that this is not theway life is now in Chicago.
So you see, I'm just wanting toemphasize that we were blessed
(08:13):
with such a strong figure thatwas commanding the presence of
such a dominating force that weknew was there but was quiet.
They were quiet.
And so, as my life went on, andwhen I stepped out, I became an
(08:37):
elementary teacher and went onto be to attend graduate school,
to become a family psychologistand, as would have it, my
postdoctoral internship was withcriminal kids at a residential
treatment facility, and when Iwas there I was filled with such
(09:00):
a love, of course, for thesefuture Charles Mansons that you
know, 10 of these adjudicatedjuvenile delinquents were in a
cottage with 10 adults and eachhad their own array of problems
(09:21):
and I work with them and theirfamilies.
But importantly is that myrelationship with these kids was
such a priority to me that theymust have felt it, because when
they got into trouble and whenthey got thrown into this very
(09:41):
small room, this padded cell,essentially they would ask to
speak with me.
So here I was, being able tobring in the love into that cell
, and the guard said no, you, heis, he is just too dangerous
right now.
This is not a good idea and Iwould just say I waive all
(10:07):
concerns.
Let me go to Sam and I walkedin and, in this very small room,
sat down on the mat and he andI began to talk and I walked him
out when we finished the talk.
And so when it was time for meto leave to marry my husband
(10:33):
actually and my internship hadended, in my exit interview, my
supervisor said what do youthink it was that you did that
was able to impact thesechallenging kids and their
families?
Well, I didn't have muchself-awareness, truly, makita.
(10:54):
I just said well, I just lovedthem, I loved them all.
And she looked at me with apuzzled face like I think
there's more to it.
But see, I wasn't focusing onwhat am I doing, right?
I just wanted to be there, justlike my teachers had been there
(11:15):
for me.
I wanted that as the imprintthat continues to play out.
That's one of the themes thatyou're going to hear again and
again in my life is I bring inthat quality of caring?
Because it is just who I becameas a result of those teachers'
input and, you know, a greatimpression on me.
(11:40):
But when life went on and Imarried my husband and was ready
to open my private practice,wanted to save the world, okay,
wanted to work with all thesefamilies, open a free family
therapy clinic, all ready to doit, and wouldn't you know it,
the realtor wouldn't show up orthe owner of the property didn't
(12:07):
bring the right key.
And here I was getting thesepuzzled messages about why can't
I find a place to rent, whereasin the background I was having
all of these people tell me darkstories and secrets, what was
going on, and it was happeningat such a frequency that I
couldn't dismiss it and more andmore, in every event I went to,
(12:32):
or when I would be walkingsomewhere, someone would say you
know, I have to tell you this,and perhaps it was because of
being a psychologist, becausethey would think that I may not
share their story and theirconfidence would be protectable.
Of course, that would be partof my training to abide, but
(12:57):
they weren't clients of mine.
It was just that they trustedme, and when people trust me, I
(13:18):
take that seriously.
Very concerning securityincidents that eventually led up
to a visit from a Fortune 500company chairman of the board.
His two sons and this chairmanwore a fedora and here was his
sons and here also accompanyingthem was their mafioso, and I
(13:46):
got interrogated for 25 minutes.
Now you know I'm going to stopright here with this story,
because I already told you thatmy life is marked with two
themes.
Right, I am face to face,remembering you know what the
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Torah signified in thosepictures, and I'm evaluating
what's going on in front of meand I'm experiencing the most
terse, the most unpleasantconversation that I had had yet
in my life.
And I stood firm and I stoodstrong.
And, ladies out there, ifyou're a person who wears heels,
(14:34):
I had my highest heels on thatday and I had on a good suit and
I looked them firmly in the eyeand I straightened out their
thinking about who I was,because, you see, they wanted to
know what I was doing in theircommunity and what family I was
representing.
(14:54):
Now, miquita, if you had beenexposed to that, would you know
what they're meaning whenthey're saying what family?
But see, for me, I knew justwhat they were doing, because I
had been reading these articles,seeing these pictures, as a
young child, every Sunday on thecoffee table.
So it was just all of a sudden,here was something that I was
(15:19):
slightly familiar with, albeitjust through a newspaper cover,
but that was the start.
That was the moment where all ofthe thoughts about opening a
private practice were pushedaside, because I knew this was
not normal and that the stories,and for the organized crime
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leader here of this group tocome out of his house Apparently
he hadn't been out in threeyears Something about me was
threatening them, and so thatwas a moment where I said that's
it, I'm going to dig into this.
And so, to my great surprise, Istarted what I say surprise.
(16:09):
I started what I say poundingthe pavement and started
building this group of peoplewho and it was all through
public information and all donein a spirit of truthfulness, no
deception, and that was thebeginning, and as time went by,
I was gathering up a lot of dataand I was creating quite a
large chart and I had to reachout to people for advice and for
(16:32):
some suggestions, because, whatdid I know?
I got to a certain point and soI would call up the people who
were my heroes.
Who were my heroes, and itended up being.
It was the FBI, a high intensitydrug unit in a money laundering
unit in Manhattan, that Icalled up and there was a
(16:56):
liaison that I called at theDA's Morgenthau's office at the
time, and then they connected meto the FBI's hide, a money
laundering unit, and they calledme and the next day I was there
in their offices.
(17:16):
Okay, so the the, it, it just.
My learning curve was just very, very steep, very, very fast,
because the threat was real andthe information that I was
finding, to my great surprise,was meaningful to the
(17:37):
authorities that I eventuallyreached out to.
Mikita (17:41):
So Wow, like that.
That was a lot.
I love the fact that you wereable to.
Your foundation was set.
Like you, you grew up in a spacewhere you saw what it looked
like to be a leader, what itlooked like to have resilience
Because when you have anyone,that's that's showing you what
(18:02):
it means to be a leader.
There are challenges, there areobstacles, they're overcoming
something and the fact that evenat a young age you had teachers
and people present that sawthis potential in you and you
always had this great love ofpeople and doing the right thing
(18:22):
and building community.
People and doing the right thingand building community.
And I know at one point youmust have felt like when those
doors were shutting and nobody'sshowing up with the right keys
and they weren't ready, thebuildings to you is.
I know that was so frustratingand challenging, but I'm sure
that through all of that, thoseexperiences taught you about
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turning your challenges intoopportunities of growth.
So throughout that, it seemslike you had that moment where
you could have said, oh my gosh,like the mafia is here, I'm
going to go the other way, I'mnot going to let you know, I'm
just going to go do somethingelse.
And yet you said you know what.
There's another greater problemhere in the community and I'm
(19:04):
going to help these, the peoplein our community, to you know,
find their own resilience and toovercome some of that.
Jane (19:16):
Right, and since I was thrown into the deep end of the
pool, I was not about when hereI had people who trusted me and
they were sharing stories.
I was the newcomer in thecommunity, so, as I thought
(19:39):
about it, at first it was it'sjust people sharing stories, but
then I realized they'reterrified.
They're realizing that theirfreedom, their opportunities are
restricted, their lives areoppressed because of this
dominating force that'scontrolling everything and
bringing a coercion, acoerciveness and a with a way of
(20:07):
influencing all decisions madeby the community.
It made me angry, but I do wantto go back a bit.
When you said that when, sinceopening my private practice was
something I wanted to do for thelongest time.
I can't tell you how much Ilooked forward to that.
(20:32):
How much I looked forward tothat Because I've had a life of
overcoming and I've alwaysviewed that, because I've had so
many unusual experiences, thatmaybe there would be something
about my personality or someenergy about me that people
could feel that I could handlewhatever.
(20:56):
They would be telling me thatthey would be safe with me, they
could trust me with their lives, their family's lives, and we
could grow together.
So you can imagine when I wasgetting all of these unusual
patterns of rejection that I itbothered me deeply.
(21:18):
I want to emphasize that I thathad been my dream, and for me
to let go of a dream that Ithought was my path, that, and
here I trusted God as my fatherand and here, very quickly, he
pulled it away and sent mezooming at full speed in a
(21:44):
direction that no one could havepossibly prepared me for.
And it was only because of mydeepest conviction.
And also, you see, I had a goodexample there on the cover of
the Chicago Tribune.
(22:04):
I learned that it can be donebecause it was being done and
you know, we just had StPatrick's Day and I always check
to see if each year in Chicago,if they still dye the river
green, and they do it and it'swith a non-toxic coloring.
But it's that 60 years, andthat was something that the
(22:27):
Mayor Daley, it was his gift tothe city to celebrate the
significance of the IrishAmericans to the Chicago area.
And he honored groups, hehonored cultures and he stood
firm, and he stood firm and heprotected people.
(22:48):
So I already saw it could bedone and just vicariously, just
stepped in.
And so that same spirit wheresomeone said to me what's your
definition of fearless?
Do you consider yourself afearless person?
Well, I said I know one thing Icertainly do not have fear like
(23:15):
other people.
Now, if I'm on an airplane andall of a sudden you know we're
dropping and it's very turbulent, yes, heaven is, you know, just
a little bit up, so that'scomforting, but you know it's
not a pleasant thought, like arewe headed for a difficult
(23:36):
flight?
I'm not saying I don't havethose feelings like any human
being would be on an airplane,but when I'm talking about
adversity and when I'm talkingabout facing anger, facing evil,
I do not have the same.
(24:07):
And I learned that.
And visiting when I was calledin by the criminal kids to be
with them in their distress.
You see, that's another exampleI had where I stepped in with a
knowing and I didn't realizethen that I was already
utilizing my authenticintelligence, my knowing.
I was implementing it then andgetting closer to people, which
(24:30):
is my ultimate goal, to betrusted people, which is my
ultimate goal, to be trusted, tooffer help and to empower and
raise everyone up and to shareeverything that I've learned
with all of you.
That's my ultimate goal,everything I've learned.
So I guess the long and shortof it is is that those things
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will be present in everything Ido, and so my caring is going to
be deeper.
And why is it still continuing?
Because here, let's look at thisyou have provided me with this
lovely opportunity to have aheart-to-heart with you, and
it's such a joy to meet you andto be with your listeners.
(25:13):
So, you see, I get thisaffirmation and I couldn't be
happier to connect with you andto receive your questions and
your interests and in yourdesire to share how people have
learned to be resilient, toshare how people have learned to
(25:34):
be resilient, and before webegan the taping, I mentioned to
you that, boy, wouldn't it besomething if there happened to
be an emotional vitamin calledresiliency.
You know that we give to, youknow, two-year-olds,
three-year-olds, you know whereit just becomes.
We don't have to call itresiliency, but we can call it
(26:00):
something that's age appropriateand say and then, by the time
where you're my age, we saynever, ever, let anyone write
the ending to your story.
And we could also say never,ever, let anyone or anything
write the ending to your story,never, never.
So you see, we can change thatsentence.
(26:21):
We can provide that emotionalvitamin, that little tip through
each stage, each year of ourlives, because this is how we
can live and how we can movetoward becoming our most
(26:41):
fulfilled self.
So inhale courage, exhale doubtand step forward with
conviction.
Mikita (26:50):
I like that and I love the fact that you said never let
anything or anyone write theending of your story.
I think I tell people that allthe time, like you are the
author of the story.
You know, and sometimes we dohave to trust God.
You know, sometimes we think wehave everything figured out and
we are on the path that wethink he wants us to be on.
(27:13):
We are on the path that wethink he wants us to be on, but
really all he's doing was givingus tools and giving us people
that he's placing in our livesto prepare us for not
necessarily what we want to do,but what he has already destined
for us to be and to do.
And when we trust that fully,you're right, you're unstoppable
(27:34):
.
There is no fear in living inyour purpose and stepping into
that.
And when you mentioned yourauthentic intelligence, it made
me think of the fact that youcurrently are.
Your next book is going to beon authentic intelligence.
Can you share a little bit onone piece that you wish that you
(27:59):
know if you had to go back andtell yourself your younger self
anything when it comes toauthentic intelligence?
Or just one word of advice youknow.
Jane (28:10):
I would like to share with you how this whole concept of
understanding this authenticintelligence came about.
Another conversation I had andthis was when I was writing last
summer with Oscar the difficultbook about our dogs, detailing
the joys and sorrows of himfinding his own cure for his
(28:31):
cancer, and so I'm one of thosepeople that I don't like staying
in that zone of sorrow, so I dosomething creative and happy.
So that's just my personality,okay.
So I started creating these,writing down these tips and
putting them on Facebook threetimes a week to kind of buffer
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what I needed to do.
And while I was in a coffeeshop, you know maybe in that
afternoon crying because I'mwriting about Oscar, the next
day I'm writing this cheerfultip, you know, for Facebook, so
for my friends, and so what?
I was having coffee one daywith a Facebook friend who
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happened to be a formerAssociated Press bureau chief of
a major East Coast city and hesaid to me well, jan, where are
you getting these tips?
Where are you getting them from?
Is it from some book or is itsome?
Where are you getting thesefrom getting them from?
Is it from some book or is itsome?
Where are you getting thesefrom?
It seems like you're talking,so it's probably your ideas, but
(29:38):
where are they coming from?
And so I was surprised becauseI didn't expect to come up with
this answer.
But this is what I said to himDan, imagine three interrelated
circles.
The top, left, representsmental intelligence, or IQ.
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The second to the right,represents emotional
intelligence, or EQ, and belowit is a circle representing
spiritual intelligence, or SQ.
The area common to all threecircles is where I find my
knowing at that convergence.
Well, that he said write thatdown, because that's your next
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book.
And so it is.
And that's where this wholebook came from, because here my
colleague said this is helpful,this is good, and these tips
you're doing.
So it ends up that I wrote 251tips, and there are all kinds of
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things that I have done throughall of these years to lead me
through and to feed myintelligences so sorry, my
allergies, excuse me the mentalintelligence, feeding our
emotional intelligence, ourspiritual intelligence, and so
there's all of these tips ofactivities to do.
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But the book begins, and thename of it is Authentic
Intelligence how to use yourmental, emotional and spiritual
gifts to create the life andworld you want.
And so the whole concept inthis is that we have a treasure
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of intelligences, that we're sobusy with social media, we're so
busy keeping up with our lives,we're forgetting that what we
need to do is be feeding ourintelligences, and not just our
egos, our egos.
(31:57):
And there's ways, fun ways,enjoyable ways to do with our
families, to do with our friends, to do by ourselves, to feed
our mental intelligence, ouremotional intelligence, our
spiritual intelligence.
And what happens is, as we doit, we provide ourselves with
this, in this area ofconvergence, the greatest wisdom
to tap into when we need it.
So when it's time for to make ajudgment on something, when it's
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an emergency and we need tospring into action as a nurse,
you know this you're tappingyour authentic intelligence all
the time, and the greater.
If you want to have goodjudgment, you must feed your
intelligences.
That's how you get it.
And so the fourth intelligence,our inner world, lifts it up,
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and it's right there, in themiddle.
Right there, we can tap into itin a second moment.
And so the book is aboutintroducing a discussion of all
the intelligences.
And then there's an interestingchapter on authentic
intelligence in action, wherethere's 10 examples of
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phenomenal stories of the endingof everything was so excellent
because of the authenticintelligence used.
Excuse me, so I'm passionateabout it, as you might know.
Mikita (33:28):
Well, that's good, because you know what I love
when people are passionate aboutsomething that gives them
purpose.
And it's not just passionatebecause it gives you purpose,
it's because you are trulymaking a difference and you're
doing something that you love.
And when you do things that youlove, you spread that love,
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even though other people arebeacons of light for us and a
definition or vision of what wesee.
As you know, someone to inspireto be or inspire to do more
that inspiration for otherpeople when they look at us.
And a lot of times when we'redoing things in our lives, we
don't see how the impact and howinfluential we really are in
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other people's lives.
So I love when people have sucha huge passion and love for
just showing up in otherpeople's lives to remind them
that, for just showing up inother people's lives to remind
them that.
Jane (34:29):
And to keep finding joy in others' achievements and the
absolute delight in watchingpeople transform.
I can't get enough of it.
Those are some things I justcouldn't wait to share with you
(34:51):
and your listeners.
Mikita (34:53):
Yeah, I think it's so amazing to see someone just find
that spark of knowing of whothey are.
Because when you talk aboutauthentic intelligence like you
said, nursing or anything wedon't realize how much knowledge
we possess, we don't know howmuch self-awareness that we
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truly have and sometimes we haveto kind of pull back a little
bit to see the bigger picture ofthat.
We all bring a sense of wealthand knowledge.
Bring a sense of wealth andknowledge.
Sometimes we take for grantedthe things that we just
automatically know or feel.
Some people can walk into aroom and just automatically be
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gravitated to certain peoplebecause of their energy.
You can just be in someone'spresence sometimes and be like
you know what I can feel.
They are exactly who they saythey are.
Their heart is good.
They are genuinely a trulyamazing person.
Jane (35:54):
Yes, those are very, very wonderful moments to find people
like that and to be in theirpresence.
I also wanted to say is thatand it's important for us to
remember that as we move forwardand we develop our ideas um and
(36:15):
I provided the example of mycolleague giving me his
perspective uh, I would neverhave thought of this book.
He well, I was looking theconcept, but he said this is
your next book.
So you see, it's so importantto remember as we move through
(36:39):
life that we can be enriched.
We may not know how others areperceiving us.
We may not know how others areperceiving us.
It may be they're perceiving usin ways that we need to hear
about.
So, pulling into theconversation, the valuing of
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others' perspective, our ownperspective, the world's
perspective, all of these thingsit in into consideration.
Okay, this may be how I feelabout a certain idea about,
maybe this these kinds of foodsare good to to serve my family.
(37:24):
Well, someone else may have adifferent perspective.
So we're enriched by drawing inothers' perspectives about
ourselves.
If they're kind enough to shareit.
It may be an opportunity for usto grow and develop and
increase our self-perception bytheir feedback.
(37:48):
That's an important task ofbecoming mature, emotionally
mature, is taking in the wholepicture and wanting to hear from
others.
You know so.
Human beings are fascinating,aren't they?
Yes, yes, you know so.
Human beings are fascinating,aren't they?
Mikita (38:08):
Yes, yes, humans are, we are all fascinating individuals
and you're right, you have tohave that ability to take it all
in and I think, a lot of times,even for I would have to say,
even like for me, even startingmy podcast it wasn't my idea
either.
For me, like I had no plans tostart a podcast, it was my
(38:32):
husband who was like you should.
You know, I was doing shortvideos on herbs and, you know,
just sharing my love andknowledge of what I've learned.
And he was like you know, ofwhat I've learned.
And he was like you know, youshould start a podcast.
And it was just amazingsometimes that people can see
(38:53):
little.
They plant seeds in us to forus to think outside of the box.
You know I love the idea ofplanting seeds of suggestion
that you know you can do this ifyou want, and I feel like
that's what your friend did foryou.
He planted that seed that thiscould be your next book.
It's up to you.
But yeah, plant the seed therefor you and then you grew it
(39:15):
into what it is now and I feellike you know what.
I'm just curious as to knowwhere do you feel this journey
is taking you and what's thenext edge you're stepping toward
with your authenticintelligence.
Jane (39:29):
I don't know when we're at right now with the book.
Is it's a miracle?
But there's 218 people who arethe promotional partners and I
thank you from the bottom of myheart.
Emotional partners and I thankyou from the bottom of my heart.
(39:53):
And the interest is is?
I'm so taken aback by it and Ihave wondered.
I'm so busy now putting togetherthe book proposal and within
the month that'll be done.
And then it's time to what wesay query book agents.
And because I want so much toshare everything that I have
learned with an internationalaudience, I am so hoping that
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God will lead me to a book agentwho believes so much in the
work that they find a publisher,who believes so much in the
project that they will want topublish it internationally for
the world and especiallyAmerica's allies.
(40:45):
And so you see, I'm pullingtogether my work in the
intelligence gathering field andmy colleagues that have
impressed me and imprinted mylife in so many ways.
I will never forget them and Iwant them to learn the things
(41:06):
that I have learned.
And then I want you all to gointo your areas and share it.
Mikita (41:20):
That's what I want.
I love that.
I love that and I love the factthat you know you're not just
stopping and I feel like youknow what.
You know everything, not juststopping, and I feel like you
know what you know.
everything happens for a reasonand through god, anything is
probably I really feel that foryou, that next step of you know,
taking it and sharing it withnot just the inner world of the
(41:42):
us, but taking it and sharing itinternationally with the yes,
the bigger world, other Otherpeople can moment to just.
I mean sharing what you learned, you know, sometimes, when we
are sharing our ideas and youknow things that we went through
, it's always nice to know thatyou know someone else has faced
a challenge, but they didn'tstay in that situation, that
(42:10):
situation that we are allcapable of resilience and moving
forward from any, anything Fromanything, and in these tips
that I'm sharing real lifesituations, steps that I did
that brought me out of whateversituation I was in.
Jane (42:30):
Each of those tips is feeding mental intelligence,
emotional intelligence orspiritual intelligence.
So it becomes a fun activityand I'm hoping that many
families will do an activitytogether, together, or if they
do the activities individually,then as they're driving
(42:50):
somewhere together, they'll sayhey, by the way, what did you
come up with for this or that?
I hope it becomes a fun littlepiece of conversation.
So that's where my thoughts?
Mikita (43:10):
That's where my thoughts .
What is one tip you would liketo leave?
Jane (43:23):
with listeners or one word of advice, or just something
you want listeners to walk awaywith as they're listening to
this now.
I think my favorite tip ishumility, and Mother Teresa has
(43:44):
a wonderful quote where shetalks about I'm not going to
give you the full quote becauseI want to just discuss it but
she says that we can.
We don't have to think ofourselves as less.
We don't have to think ofourselves as more.
That way, we always know who weare.
When we can have a spirit ofeagerness and confidence to
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deliver a speech, to participatein a podcast, humility is that.
It is that it's not having thearrogance or boastfulnessfulness
.
It's not that it's notoverdoing the well I don't know
(44:34):
if I can do that, I don'tminimizing yourself.
It's being aware of who you are, but not Not thinking less of
what you know, not acting lessabout what you know about
yourself and not acting moreabout what you know about
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yourself.
It's that's what humility isand that is my favorite tip.
It is the most essentialgrounding and people have
mentioned to me over the yearswhen something unusual has
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happened.
They on Facebook.
Why won't you do a hugeself-promotion of yourself on
Facebook?
And I would say I don't knowthat I right now know how to do
(45:45):
that kind of self-promotingwithout coming across in ways
that isn't me.
And one way I did announcesomething on LinkedIn once was I
credit?
I announced it was when Ibecame a fellow of the American
(46:07):
Psychological Association, andit was a huge, a huge gift, a
huge award.
And I announced it by saying Idedicate this post to everyone
who has believed in me, and thereaction was an opportunity to
(46:36):
do some wonderful connectingwith people that I don't get to
talk to that much anymore, andthat was just excuse me.
It was a moment of true,genuine happiness and, um, I
hope that I will find more waysto be able to promote the book
(47:03):
that fall into that zone ofenergy.
I'm constantly a student oflife.
Mikita (47:13):
Thank you so much.
I just want to say thank you,Jane, for sharing your wisdom
and reminding us of the power ofresilience and authentic
intelligence.
Your insight on overcomingchallenges and embracing our
full potential are sure toresonate with our listeners.
So thank you so much for beingpart of this community.
Jane (47:31):
I'm so pleased to meet you and to be with you today.
Thank you so much for theinvitation.
Mikita (47:36):
All right, you guys.
That is all the tea that wehave to spill today.
Until next time, namaste.
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