July 16, 2025 • 37 mins
This week, I’m thrilled to welcome the powerhouse that is Deb Drummond in our latest episode.
Deb is a heart-forward entrepreneur, a mentor to thousands, and a trailblazer in the health and wellness world. She’s built seven international companies, launched the Mission Accepted movement and media platform, and continues to show up, stand up, and speak up for women stepping into their purpose.
In this episode, we talk about creativity, clarity, entrepreneurship, the role of intuition in decision-making, and the first small step you can take toward that dream you’ve been holding.
Whether you’re ready to leap or still on the edge, this one’s for you.
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UNKNOWN (00:00):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (00:05):
Hello, friends.
Welcome back to another episodeof To Hum is Human, the podcast
where we explore thetransformative power of tuning
into our intuition to expressour passionate purpose.
I'm your host, Donabell, and I'mso happy you are joining us
today.
We'll be diving into living withpurpose, intuition as your guide
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to a meaningful life, somethingmy next guest knows firsthand.
Deb Drummond is is aself-starter, bright, focused,
and innovative.
She walks her talk, isspiritually inclined, and only
gets involved if she believes insomething.
The moment you meet Deb, youknow something special is going
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on.
She lives with a thought thateach person she meets is
valuable.
She is warm, approachable, andquietly professional.
Deb is a pioneer in the world ofentrepreneurship and was one of
the first in her country tocreate companies in And to date,
she has built seveninternational companies and
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inspired thousands around theglobe.
Deb has been recognized inSuccess Magazine 48 times and
has been given many nominationsand has won numerous awards for
her accolades in her personaland business achievements.
And some of Deb's projectsinclude the Show Up, Stand Up,
Speak Up, Yes You movement.
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She is also the founder ofMission Accepted Media, the
Mission Accepted Podcast, andthe book Mission Accepted 262
Women Creatives, Entrepreneurs,and Media.
The fabulous Deb lives inbeautiful Vancouver, Canada.
She is the mother of her twofavorite people, her daughter,
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Chloe, and her son, Ocean.
And with her new title of Yaya,she gets to add to that favorite
list, her beautifulgrandchildren, Brinley and
Cashton.
SPEAKER_00 (02:04):
Welcome to My goodness.
Thank you so much.
It is going to be so fun to behere with you today.
I mean, I love it.
To hum as human.
Sign me up.
SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
Well, I thought of you first thing when I was just
thinking about creatives becauseyou are so passionate about
living a creative life.
And if you could take us back tothe beginning, what sparked this
creativity in you?
Did you grow up in a creativehousehold or were you encouraged
to just make things and buildthings as a child?
SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
Yeah.
Yeah, you know what?
I wouldn't say that my house wasfull of creatives.
I definitely would say that Iwas the black sheep if we were
to say that.
People like, what are you doing?
People call me a professionalhippie.
And I live like a hippie.
I think like a hippie.
But I do have this kind ofRubik's Cube brain that likes to
take creativity and put it intoformulation, which is why I
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build companies.
To me, it's a creative process.
But the first time, I guess, ifI was to say that I
experienced...
confirmation of how I thought orhow I lived.
Maybe I was 14 years old.
I always had a record player.
We always had record player andvinyls in my home.
And I always had a record playerin my bedroom.
I still have a record player.
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I raised my kids on vinyl.
Even when it wasn't cool.
It's back to trend now, right?
But oh my gosh, yeah.
So I remember going into theliving room and grabbing an
album called Pearl.
I took it into my bedroom andput it on and it's Janis Joplin.
Honestly, it was like I couldbreathe.
I could breathe.
And so my My first creative lovewas definitely music.
I had a natural aptitude forart.
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I used to just draw pictures.
My art teacher used to walk byand just put an A on the picture
when I just started.
So I always had that ability tobe creative.
And I think I saw things fromthat spectrum.
I had maybe my first spiritualdownload when I was eight and it
kind of freaked me out and Ididn't know what it was and I
didn't really like it.
And so in my twenties, it kindof came back and I was a little
better with it.
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And then it certainly grew intoa part of who I was, but yeah, I
would say it was music was myfirst creative love.
There's
SPEAKER_01 (04:05):
so much in music that just moves you both
physically and emotionally.
I can see how you're tappinginto that energy to bring out
other aspects of your life.
When you say black sheep, I'llprobably say I was a black sheep
too.
And essentially what that meansis you were just thinking
outside of the norm.
I love that.
I absolutely love that.
So your work is rooted inpurpose and passion.
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How did you find clarity on
SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
what that purpose was for you?
Wow.
You know, the purpose of my workis to project that i'm in right
now this big 262 movement that'skind of globally sweeping really
came to me as a bit of adownload and i know that you
understand what that is when iwas 31 for
SPEAKER_01 (04:45):
our list for our listeners who may not
necessarily know what that is ifyou could
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
explain yeah it's just it's just a clarity message
really it's just a messagethat's super clear like you you
hear something different in adifferent way it's like you
almost have a third ear likethere's a knowingness to the
thought it's like oh i'm gonnado one of these one day i mean i
was I went to the bookstore toget my planner that I got every
year called the Woman's Day Bookand it went out of print and I
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was frustrated.
And I'm like, oh, I'm just goingto make one of these one day.
Made no sense whatsoever becauseat that time in my life, I was,
I owned and ran a reallybeautiful holistic health center
at 18 staff and we were goingfor it.
It was amazing.
We were booked solid and 12hours a day and blah, blah,
blah.
And all of this stuff was great.
There was no room in my worldfor even thinking media or
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publication or what have you andthen I just guess I never took
it off my list I don't know whatthat means and then I had a very
clear defined moment aboutcreating a media company like I
literally woke up and was toldto start a podcast and this was
years years ago I didn't evenknow what one was I was like
what are you talking about youknow and so I've had those
clarity messages where you justknow you need to act on them I
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always say I don't always dowhat I'm told but there's times
where it was just a claritymessage and it felt right like
it was just the time to do it.
And that's what this project isall about.
For me, my experience, maybe notfor everybody, but the clarity
as you start to get in and youstay with the project or stay
with the movement or stay withwhat you're doing, it evolves
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and you have choices, which iswhy my show is called Mission
Accepted.
Because just because you weregiven a mission doesn't mean you
need to stay on it.
Doesn't mean you need to takethe next mission.
Doesn't mean you need to evolvewith it.
You can stop.
I don't know why my braindoesn't understand that.
but it seems to like justcontinue to evolve but I think
that is the life of a creative Ithink that really is the
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difference between you knowthere's people that are creative
and there's people that areentrepreneurs I have very good
friends of mine that areentrepreneurs and they're like I
don't understand how you thinkand I go because my son is an
artist and my son paints allsorts of different types of
pictures and no one says to himwow you should stop painting
different types of picturesthey're like it's cool you do
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landscape you do tattoo styleyou do this but when it comes to
an entrepreneur they're like wowlike you just keep adding things
on that is the life of acreative yes we don't really
have an off button people likeoh when are you going to retire
i'm like i don't know when theythrow dirt on the box like i
mean do we have a choice i meani think that's kind of the
question like people like how doyou why do you do it i'm like i
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wish i had a choice it just itjust wakes up sometimes it wakes
up before i do i used to saythat like oh my goodness my
brain wakes up before i do youknow
SPEAKER_01 (07:33):
And it's something about the true creative just
inspires other people to startcreating too.
I think having that
SPEAKER_00 (07:41):
aspect in yourself.
Oh my gosh, Donabelle, I have totell you.
So I did a podcast last week andit was for people that were
creatives, people in creativeand people in media.
There was four of us.
By the end of the podcast, wewere all thinking about doing a
book together.
And then I said, stop it, stopit.
All of us stop it right now.
This is what happens when youget creatives in the room.
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Go home, get off my screen.
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
It's true.
I mean, creativity just bringsout creativity and I love that.
Now, as a woman entrepreneur,were there specific challenges
that you've seen women face inentrepreneurship and have you
built support into your work tohelp them rise, which I
mentioned?
SPEAKER_00 (08:25):
I mean, I've been, I've been entrepreneuring for
over 33 years.
So just being an entrepreneur inthe beginning, I remember one of
my family members telling mydaughter when she went over for
sleepover, she said, well, youknow, when I had my last child,
I chose to be a good mom and,you know, give up her business.
So when my daughter came homeand told me, I called my family
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member and I'm like, that willliterally be the last time my
daughter stays at your house.
So let's just get really clearon that.
So that was that.
So I've had that.
And then I've had you go to thebank and they're like, Oh, what
do you want?
What do you want it for?
And you can tell they're lookingfor someone else to be in the
meeting with me.
And I'm like, Oh, by the way, Imake more than he does.
So let's not have thatconversation.
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So then I started, I would, Ihad a woman bank manager.
And so we could have realconversations.
And she put me in touch withsomeone who helps with finance,
who was a woman.
And I found like, I reallyneeded, I was not like, and I'm
the person I hire the best forthe job.
Like, seriously, there's men andwomen, I'm like, I'm like, I
hang out with women and peoplethat support women.
So I'm hoping that's everybody.
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But if it's not, then cooldudes, right?
So for me, in the beginning, itwas really more important than
maybe even so now to hang withwomen that understood business
and what we were trying to dobecause there was no women's
networking groups to go to whenI started, none, not a woman's
organization, not a foundation.
So they were in my house Sundayat two, bring your kids,
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everyone paid two bucks and thatfed everybody.
I mean, without making me soundlike I'm 80, if it's not there,
just build it.
And then it has been that forsure.
I think that it's real.
It's not something that itdoesn't experience.
I talk to women all day, thingsthat they've experienced.
or I remember when I first wentto my board of trade, like
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there's these, you know, there'schamber of commerce's and then
where I am, there's this, youknow, big board of trade and
they're like the pinnacle ofall, you know, chamber of
commerce's.
And I went like maybe 25 yearsago, something like that, 20
something years ago.
And I remember walking in and,you know, shaking someone's hand
and they were in a suit.
And the first thing out of theirmouth is like, you should join
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one of the committees.
And I was like, This isn't aTupperware party.
You know what I mean?
And now I love Tupperware.
No offense to Tupperware.
I was just like, would you havesaid that in the first three
seconds of meeting somebody if Iwasn't a woman?
I don't know.
We don't know.
But, you know, you know whenyou're not hitting grade.
Now, I was a woman with asuccessful aromatherapy company
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25 years ago.
I didn't get a whole lot of...
Pioneer.
Yeah, now I do.
You were a pioneer back then,yeah.
You know, you used to makeawards or whatever and people
were like, oh, shoot, go, youknow?
So it can be also that if you'rea successful woman in business,
it can be intimidating.
You come up against that.
Some of my colleagues go upagainst that.
So there's all sorts of thingsthat can happen.
It's just learning that postureand learning how to overcome
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that.
And then there's just some stuffthat's real that you just have
to deal with.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
So for you, is success more about impact,
freedom, financial growth, or isit something else entirely?
How would you define success?
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
So success has many components.
You just mentioned three ofthem.
Success, I guess for me, isreally when I wake up in the
morning And look, if some peoplewake up and they've been doing
the kind of projects that we'redoing and say they're not tired,
they're not telling the truth.
Right.
So just, you know, you don'ttake on global impact and go, I
get to check out at fiveo'clock.
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That's not how it works.
So particularly when you gointernational, you're like, it's
nine o'clock at night and you'rejust, you know, you're just
waking up.
Let's talk.
So as I think success for me.
is that I don't fight what Ineed to do.
Success for me is I wake up nomatter how I feel, happy if I'm
exhilarated, if I'm this, I'mthat.
I'm on purpose, I know I'm onpurpose.
There's a meaning.
I don't not want to be sittingon this podcast with you talking
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about it.
So there's an inner knowingnessthat I'm doing the right thing.
And then you get theseincredible confirmations, like
mind blowing confirmations.
For me right now, it's like oneof the women who came into our
262 family, maybe two years ago,she'd been working with United
Nations for 40 years in groupsorganizations.
Her name's Kathy Walton.
She's a rock star.
And she wanted to have her ownbusiness as well.
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She's a woman in leadership.
She's been doing this.
And so she came speaking andstarted to build a community and
build people that knew her.
And then she came to the Emmyswith us when we handed out this
incredible book of 260 women.
And then it was like, you know,she was talking about this book
she had inside her.
So I'm like, Heather, who's theorganizer, I'm like, call her
over.
I'm like, let's do it.
And she's like, if you can haveyour book done in 90 days, you
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can be back.
You can be back at, no, we wereat the Emmys.
She said, you can be back at theOscars with your own table.
She's like, seriously?
I'm like, go, Birdie, go.
Then we'd share her on.
I get tingles when I think abouthow that woman evolved in like a
year and a half, maybe twoyears.
And so those things is whatfeels like this is a success to
me.
It also has to take care of me.
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It also has to take care of myfamily.
I rant and rave about let'screate a sustainable world
because sustainability is a formof empowerment.
If I can create platforms wherewomen and those that support
women, so I have men that areclients.
I have men that advertise andsponsor and want to have TV.
We just launched a TV channel,right?
If they want a TV show, they cando that.
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So as long as their heart's inthe right place, they're welcome
where we are.
And so creating those, I tellpeople, I'm going to help you
get the right exposure so yourbusiness is sustainable.
Well, we need to be sustainableas well.
So we need to walk that walk andtalk that talk.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So, you
SPEAKER_01 (13:56):
know.
I mean, obviously-Transformation for yourself, but
for your client as well, soundslike the main impetus behind a
lot of what you do.
There is definitely this impact.
And I'm curious, was there amoment that you can recall where
everything changed for you?
I don't imagine you playanything safe, but was there a
time in your life where you hadto choose between playing it
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safe or following your calling?
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
I've been an entrepreneur since I was in my
twenties.
So in terms of what a lot oftimes people consider safe would
be I mean I've had two babiesman I would have loved to have
Matt leave you know I don't knowwhat sick days feel like like
paid sick days or paid holidaypay or medical or dental or any
of that stuff I never chose thatpath from an early stage so I
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never left safety for safetyI've had beautiful businesses
that I've built that haveshifted and converted into other
businesses and that fear ofletting something go that you
love for something else that youlove was a really tough one.
When I let go, I had a privatehealth studio.
I talked about it and I walkedin and all of us were intuitives
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and all of us did healing andcrystals and aromatherapy.
And I listened to meditationmusic all day and I worked on
five or six clients and it wassatisfying and it was soulful.
And then when I got the massivenudge and the world was shifting
and we had to shift and goinginto this other role of leading
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large teams globally and andsharing about brain products and
all of that.
That was a really difficult, youknow, I remember crying on the
couch on that one.
I remember coming home and goinginto the shower with my clothes
on and lying on the couch andcalling a friend of mine who was
a major CEO.
And I called him.
I'm like, I don't feel good.
He goes, where are you?
And I said, I just packed up thebusiness tonight.
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He said, don't move.
I said, I won't.
And he came over and he's like,okay, I know what it's like to
wrap a business up, even thoughyou love it, even though parts
of it work, the calling to go tothe next one was really loud.
So I've gone through that.
Yeah.
You know, even right now we justlaunched a television channel.
I know.
What are you not doing?
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You know, I used to work atDenny's graveyard shift for 365
an hour.
Like this is, you know, even I'mlike, what the heck am I doing?
And of course I had goblins and,you know, going in my ear.
Oh my gosh, are we going to makeit?
Are we not going to make it?
You know, and then you needthat, that external sometimes or
someone to go, you've made it sofar.
You know what I mean?
You're going to to be fine andyou know you're going to be fine
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because you put yourself throughthis kind of test before but I'm
like please tell me there's nobigger there's no bigger ones
than this you know unlessBranson's like hey you want to
like start another plane companyor something you know what I
mean you don't you don't knowwhere things are going to go but
um is uh it's interesting It'sinteresting.
SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
Well, you know, you mentioned your CEO colleague
when you're closing your firstbusiness.
Like, who do you lean on orlearn from when you need
encouragement or perspective or,you know, something that you
can...
let our listeners know too.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Yeah.
Look, I am fully transparent inthis and I don't say this
because I'm a coach, right?
But people go, how did you gofrom there to here?
Right?
First of all, I didn't exitstage left.
There's times where I did riceand peas or steak and lobster.
There's times where it was supertight, but I got to where I am
by coaches, experts, therapists,counselors.
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You know when you need outsideadvice.
And for me, being a solopreneur,I want to have someone in it
with me.
I was talking to a woman thismorning who's hiring me to work
with her in what she does.
Very well established, very wellcurated, has all the pieces
together, right?
But it doesn't matter how muchyou have it together.
There's something about someoneelse's observation and someone
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that you align with that cantake you to the next place with
grace, right?
There's people that, like, youknow, I talked to a woman this
morning, early this morning,talking about time zones, who's
at the very beginning of herbusiness.
And she's like, I seeentrepreneurs and I see them
struggle and I don't want tostruggle and I'm like okay well
then let's do the infrastructurethat most you know entrepreneurs
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don't do including when Istarted my first business my
first business plan was a eightand a half piece of paper how
many massages do I need to do topay the rent I mean really
that's what it was right like ittook me three minutes I really
truly believe that it's coachingand then at a time where you've
been in business as long as I amyou're calling in an expert I
called a really cool colleaguethat I have high level respect
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for and we could probably coacheach other like we We're pretty
par.
So I called her and I said,we're launching the TV and we're
stepping into some unchartedterritory.
I mean, 99% of it's prettychartered because I've done lots
of stuff before.
But I said, I just want someoneI can blow off steam to.
I want someone that I cannavigate with.
I want someone that I'm going tothrow things at.
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I'm only looking for that 2%.
I mean, I'm a top performancecoach, right?
So I live in the one to 3%.
I'm like, I just want to know.
She's like, yeah, no problem.
You know, like friend to friend.
I said, no, I'm going to hireyou.
She goes, you don't need to hireme.
And I said, yeah, why to hireyou.
She was like, you're going tohire me to be your business
friend.
I said, you're going to be mybusiness best friend just for
this little phase so that I canjust formulate and have someone
to talk to.
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She's like, sure.
If you want to pay me, I'm like,yeah, I do.
Um, even at the stage that I amwhere I coach, you know, and
everything in between, highlevel, people starting,
whatever.
It's always good to have afriend, a colleague, someone you
trust that is giving you theright advice, that you have
faith in, that they're gonnatake you to that next phase.
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Honestly, it has been like thatfor me.
And I also think great coachesalways have a coach on the side,
either you're active, you know,activating them a lot or a
little, I think as you start tomove into, you know, number of
companies or whatever, youprobably don't need it as much.
You need more specialized.
I don't know.
I mean, when, when my son didhis business plan, he's 21, he
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started at 15, launched at 19.
You know, my girlfriend, my CFOhappened to be his CFO.
I mean, who starts off theirbusiness with a CFO?
Not too many people, but inthere, is now when you do your
expenses for a business and whenyou're relooking your expenses,
please put coaching.
It's got to be a line on yourexpenses because it's going to
save you expenses on so manyother things.
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I've put myself to test, likewhen I say rice and peas, I mean
rice and peas, to access expertinformation to get to make the
right decisions.
SPEAKER_01 (20:21):
Well, and you need also someone to help you just
have the vision outside ofyourself because when you're
so...
in it.
You really need to have someoneas your other eyes because hard
to see in other ways.
But please, could you tell us alittle bit about Mission
Accepted 262 Women Creatives?
I love this project.
Can you just tell us more aboutthat?
SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
Yeah.
So 262 is a global movement forwomen and those that support
women.
It started off creating anincredible book, a book that was
meant to be a book where womencould stand up, speak up, and
show up.
That's been my mission for everyseven companies that i've built
and it was time to actualize itand so it's an incredible book
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that you kind of like when youopen up a magazine it's this
beautiful full cover spread ofeach woman the women are
self-funded so whether we have ayou know five-time emmy award
winner she's you know she'sgreat she's done five emmys now
she's like every otherentrepreneur looking for her
sixth whether you do coaching ori mean there's so many cool
women in the book like people docoaching and artists and authors
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and speakers and actors andpeople in the sports and medical
and all sorts of differentprofessions.
And when you open up the book,there's this page where they
tell you a bit about who theywere, something they overcame,
something that's important tothem.
I wrote that music's mytherapist.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, that's how peopleare like, how do you make it?
I go, a lot of music.
And so I wrote somethingpersonal so that it draws you
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closer to who that person is.
I mean, you got to hum as human.
Here's the human side.
And then on this side, it says,stand up, speak up and show up.
Now, what do you do and why doyou do it?
And then invite me to have, youknow, a virtual coffee.
Just, I don't need 45 socialmedia handles.
Just give me one place I canfind you.
And then a beautiful picture ofblack and white.
We don't do headshots.
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This is not a, you know,directory of people.
This is, you get a sense ofsomeone as, and then there's a
two word directive on the bottomright-hand corner.
It could be, you know, hum more.
It could be speak up.
It could be one woman's got toeat pizza, celebrate life.
So it's a flip book that tellsyou, even if you just open it up
during the day.
So I said, I wanted to do afive-year book tour.
And my publicist was like, whatare you doing?
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That's fiscal suicide.
I said, no, it's not.
It's 262 women that need to beseen, need to be heard and need
to be read.
And this book is going to goaround the world.
And it started a movement.
A year later, we started puttingsummits together because I got a
download, that clear messageafter watching a show on TV
called Seeing All Red, which isGloria Allred's life story.
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I got a download and thedownload said, you need to
create an accessible and globalproject And I'm like, well, I
hate to tell you, I'm doing abook of 262 women.
I'm not quite sure what else youwant me to do because that was a
download.
I had no idea of doing 262women, but that came to me after
a meditation.
And then I heard a message.
International Women's Day hasbecome a Facebook posting day
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and you need to get women tohonor it like a mom does
Mother's Day.
And I thought, well, isn't thatinteresting?
So how do I get women to embodythat?
the essence of InternationalWomen's Day.
I said, I guess it's repetition.
And so we created summits Everytime zone in the world from
morning to night on the eighthday of the month from March,
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2023 to May 11th, 2024, we did22 summits in 15 months, 440
speakers and 6,000 women showedup to hear them.
So it created a movement.
So, you know, at that point, youknow, you say, how come you keep
going?
Well, sometimes you create somuch stuff that you can't step
away.
So then we launched this bookand I said, let's launch this
book with 50 pages, not taken.
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And my team's like, what are youdoing?
And I said, we're doing fiveyears.
We're going to meet women thatwant to be in the book.
We're going to meet women wewant in the book.
And so we closed the book.
We put women of history on thosepages so women could go back and
respect some of the women thatlaid track for us.
And then we went to market and Ican't even tell you how big the
book hit.
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And then we started doing thesetours like Ireland and Vancouver
and Texas and LA and Emmys andOscars.
And then the time came where Isaid, let's open the book for a
revision and then we will closeit and we will be heading to the
Emmy's September 2025 in LA.
And we are going to be putting ared bow in this book.
It's going to be complete andfilled.
Actually, this morning we had 12spots.
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Now we have 11 because I justhad a call before this.
And so we're super excited tohave 262 women live and
represented because some of thewomen of history were no longer
with us.
And then that kicks offspeaking.
We always will have 220 speakingspots a year.
And then all the women thatspeak on the summit, we will
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take their episode and make abeautiful curated episode.
And we will now gift you bymoving that over to our women's
channel where you will be seenby 250 to 300 million people.
So if you've got something toshare, if you've got a message
that want to be heard, becauseit can be tough as an
entrepreneur.
I mean, let's face it.
It is tough as an entrepreneurto be able to not only be
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passionate about what you do,fund what you do, find clients,
continue to market.
And a lot of entrepreneurs don'tlike to let go of every aspect.
So we're like, just Step in andlet us help you have exposure so
people can come to you for whatyou do.
So literally, as someone who'sbeen on the stage many times, I
put myself behind the curtainand help people platform so they
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get seen.
And that's, you know, a big partof when you said, what do you
consider success?
For me, it's when I see thatwomen like Kathy Holt that I
told you is rocking her worldand anything that I can give
access to, including someone'slike, I'd like to have my own TV
show.
on your channel.
You're like, yeah, you do.
And let me tell you why.
And let me help you.
They're like, I don't know whatI'm doing.
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And I'm like, that's perfect.
You know what I mean?
Like what I didn't, I didn'trealize that she's a, she's a
hormone specialist.
I'm like, well, I didn't reallyexpect you to know about TV.
So let's just figure this out.
Right.
And to be able to createaccessible media.
So, you know, people can comeonto our podcast, which is
super, you know, super big andmedia world for$25, or they can
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come there on show for 5,000.
These are not expensive prices.
So we are an accessible mediahouse.
And that's the journey that canhappen.
So I don't know if it's a cleardecision.
Like I said, you know, I don'tknow if you really get to say
yes or no, because it just kindof keeps morphing.
But I think we're pretty wellhitting pinnacle with TV.
I think we can stop and rest fora little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
Oh my goodness.
Well, tell me about this channelbecause I just found out about
it and I know you just recentlyhad a podcast speaking about it.
Where did this idea come from?
Aside from a download, was itjust literally the next step?
SPEAKER_00 (27:02):
The words came out of my mouth before I even knew I
could formulate it when I said,we're going to do this book and
then women are going to speakand we're going to get them on
TV.
I've been saying it for a yearand a half.
And then it was the research.
You know, sometimes you saythings and then it gets figured
out, right?
Everything's figureoutable.
But I would say that it was aninteresting journey getting us
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to the right place with theright people for the right
reasons.
But I always knew that I wantedto offer that.
So I talked to I talked it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:31):
Well, and it's a first of its kind, right?
This is a women's channel inCanada.
No other channel existed likethis.
SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
Yeah.
Well, I'm in Canada.
The women's channel is on anetwork that streams to Roku,
which is not Canadian, andAmazon and Apple.
But yeah, there's definitely notanother woman that has the
women's channel in Canada that Iknow of.
SPEAKER_01 (27:51):
That's incredible.
So if there is an entrepreneur,someone who's listening, who's
sitting on a dream, but scaredto take the leap.
What is the first small step you
SPEAKER_00 (28:03):
would recommend?
Okay, well, there's, let mereally think about that.
Well, you know, sometimes peoplewill say, take a step, any step.
I'm not sure I follow thatphilosophy.
I would say for me, It would bemake it real.
So what is make it real for you?
If make it real is to go tellsomeone, then tell someone.
If make it real is write it on apiece of paper like what I did.
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You know, when I meet withpeople, I'm like, can we do a
business plan?
And they're like, oh, thatdoesn't sound like fun.
I'm like, 90 minutes.
We can just do, you know, let'sdo a business plan in 90
minutes.
Someone else would say maybe goresearch it to make it real.
I think actualized.
And I'm not talking typingeither.
I'm like, get a piece of paperand pen.
So good for your brain.
You'll actually absorb yourselfmuch more and really start
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writing it out or grab a friend,a trusted friend, a friend
that's going to push you andhelp you be like, not the friend
that, you know, this is what Isay.
You don't go to your bankmanager and talk about your
marriage, right?
Because they don't know.
They don't, I don't know.
Go to somebody that's doing andliving your dream.
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So if they're a activeentrepreneur that's pushing
themselves out of their comfortzone inactivity that's doing
that, then talk to them.
And don't say you're asking fortheir advice.
Just say, I want to, I'm superexcited.
This is what I'm going to do.
And I just want to make it real.
You need to be really careful onwho you share those with,
(29:28):
because I've had people thatsay, Oh my gosh, I wanted to do
that.
But my person or my husband ormy brother or my wife or my mom
or my this, like, if you go tosomeone that doesn't understand
finance, Why would you go andask them a financial question?
So make sure you pick your firstperson, right?
But get it out of your head.
If it's in your head, get it outof your head.
(29:50):
Yeah.
I think the computer startresearching, find someone that
you really trust, right?
That's going to help you throughthat journey.
And then look at here's, I liveby something called Providence.
I've had a lot of, I mean, lookat, I've worked with a lot of
clients over the years and I'vehad a lot of staff and a lot of
people that are friends andteach.
And here's the thing.
Providence will not come intoplay.
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There's a beautiful ScottishHimalayan proverb that talks
about providence.
It's long and lengthy.
I'll save you the poem.
But it basically says this.
When you say yes, providencecomes into play.
It will not come into play untilyou say yes.
And when you say yes, allunforeseen, unforeseen.
(30:31):
So you could sit there all youwant and try to figure this
stuff out.
Good luck.
You can do a lot of things.
You can make a business plan.
You can can research, you can docomparative analysis and
competitive analysis.
I made my son do all of that toteach him a business plan.
And he just like, thanks, mom.
So you got your data.
At the end of the day, moveforward with faith.
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It is unforeseen, but yourunforeseen support system, those
people that are going to sit atthat board table that you can't
see, cannot come knocking at thedoor or throw us in each other's
lives or a book that you need toread or something pop up on your
screen.
You're like, that's kind ofweird or whatever.
(31:15):
Those things are going to stayunforeseen until you say yes and
start to make movement.
And then, you know, if you'reshy, like, look at my son was
shy.
I mean, shy, right?
I'm like, well, you need tolearn how to do some podcasts.
His mom's in media.
And he's like, I'm not doingpodcasts.
I'm like, yeah, darling, youare.
So I found a specialist.
(31:37):
I didn't want it to be me.
I found a specialist who was acoach that worked with teenage
kids that were shy.
I mean, they're out there.
And, you know, now my sonrattles off interviews and can
go on TV after a year and ahalf.
So you just make movement.
But honestly, you know, neverhave a sure thing until you make
it a sure thing.
SPEAKER_01 (31:55):
I love that.
Just make it real.
I mean, that sounds prettysimple, but when you think about
it, it's like, that's reallywhat's sort of in the way.
It's not real until you actuallyact on it.
In terms of your more spiritualintuitive side, do you have
something in your daily practicethat keeps you grounded in all
of this?
Because there is so much goingon.
(32:16):
Is there something you do tohelp you be the channel, be the
conduit, but also stay grounded?
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
I think after this long of being a...
active spiritual being.
It's the same thing as when Iused to walk in.
I mean, I did 30,000 clients.
So I used to teach massage.
So I could walk in and flip,leave my stuff at the door and
go into that kind of conduitchanneling, whatever it was I
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was going to do that day.
It was an automatic.
I think the blessing of beingsomeone who has been spiritually
minded for a long time is thatsome of that is automated.
I mean, I really do believe thatI wake up.
I have a knowingness.
I don't question the messages.
If someone cancels last minute,I don't get twisted up.
I know that.
(33:03):
So that's one of them.
You practice long enough and youstart to know yourself.
The second thing is I don'tdeviate from a very, very, very
healthy food eating regime.
For me, I made a decision a longtime ago.
Well, first of all, I got unwellin my 20s when I was working at
a late night dessert restaurant.
And I've been gluten-free forover 30 years.
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Gluten, sugar, and dairy, Idon't eat.
And then I spend a lot of money,to be honest with you, on
really, really goodnutraceuticals.
And people say to me, oh, youdon't lift your age.
You don't act your age.
So for me, keeping my body likea temple and treating it like
the most important piece of realestate I own has been a strong
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conduit to my ability to stillhave the energy to do what I do.
I know when I need to go have aconversation with God.
I'm on the balcony.
I'm like, okay, what's up?
What's going on?
I listen to music all day.
the time.
I listen to inspirational music.
I listen to country music.
I listen to rock music.
I go to concerts.
Music for me fills my soul,whatever fills your soul.
(34:08):
I think sometimes I live in ameditative state.
I'd love to say I meditate everyday.
I don't consciously meditateevery day, but there's times
where I do.
So I think for me, it's anautomatic at this point, but for
sure, my diet is non-negotiable.
The powerful nutraceuticals thatI take, non-negotiable, even
when we're in steak, you know,rice and peas, I don't, I don't
(34:29):
vary on that.
I'll have the same coach for 10years if I need to.
I mean, really, what's the deal?
What's more important?
So those are some of the thingsthat I do.
SPEAKER_01 (34:37):
Wow.
It's obviously working.
I'm in awe of all the work thatyou do because you have such a
big heart.
I love that you see that there'spotential in everyone.
Everyone has something to offerand you live a life of impactful
purpose.
And it's just a beautiful way towitness your work and what you
(34:57):
do.
And I know listeners will willhave plenty to explore after
hearing this segment.
How do folks connect with you?
I
SPEAKER_00 (35:04):
just make it super easy.
It's so funny when people arelike, oh, your projects are so
complex.
No, actually, it's prettysimplified.
So my name is Deb Drummond, andthey can go to debdrummond.com.
And there's contact buttons allover that.
And it will actually go to myemail.
So the nice thing is it bypassesmy team and goes to my email.
And if someone's like, oh mygosh, what was her website?
(35:26):
You could probably find me byGoogling me.
Okay.
You can go to Deb Drummond andthere'll be all sorts of, all
sorts of ways to find me orDeborah Drummond.
So, you know, I've went fromDeborah Drummond to Deb Drummond
in my marketing, but either one,but debdrummond.com.
You can find me there.
SPEAKER_01 (35:41):
Well, you are such an inspiration.
And Deborah Drummond, I'm sothankful for you joining us
today and just sharing yourworld, sharing your insight.
And it's just an honor.
So thank you for being on
SPEAKER_00 (35:54):
the show.
Well, me too.
And for people that don't know,I mean, we shared in a book
together people get people getto read no people get to read
both our stories and I'm lookingforward to getting to know you
better I mean I think that's thecool thing about doing something
like that and then getting toknow people that think like like
I am really grateful to be onyour show today I recognize that
we all have a certain amount oftime and a certain amount of
(36:17):
people that we can do our showswith I have one so to be
selected is just very cool andit gives me a chance to get to
know you more as well so Ireally appreciate it
SPEAKER_01 (36:27):
thank you and truth be told to Hum is Human.
That was a download.
I was told to do a podcast andthis is what I'm doing right
now.
And the book that we're both inis The Intuitive Entrepreneur,
Deeper Connections for SoulDriven Success.
And we both have chapters andthat's our connection.
And I love that we did thattogether.
Me too.
Anyway, Debra Drummond, thankyou so much.
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You're welcome,
SPEAKER_00 (36:50):
honey.
SPEAKER_01 (36:52):
Thanks so much for tuning in today.
I'm so glad you spent this timewith me.
If something in this episoderesonated, feel free to share it
or pass it along to someone whomight need that little spark.
I'd also love to hear what cameup for you.
Send me a message or drop acomment on Instagram at
tohumishuman.
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You can also find more episodesand updates at sonorouslight.com
or on your favorite podcastplatform.
Until next time, keep humming.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (00:05):
Hello, friends.
Welcome back to another episodeof To Hum is Human, the podcast
where we explore thetransformative power of tuning
into our intuition to expressour passionate purpose.
I'm your host, Donabell, and I'mso happy you are joining us
today.
We'll be diving into living withpurpose, intuition as your guide
(00:28):
to a meaningful life, somethingmy next guest knows firsthand.
Deb Drummond is is aself-starter, bright, focused,
and innovative.
She walks her talk, isspiritually inclined, and only
gets involved if she believes insomething.
The moment you meet Deb, youknow something special is going
(00:50):
on.
She lives with a thought thateach person she meets is
valuable.
She is warm, approachable, andquietly professional.
Deb is a pioneer in the world ofentrepreneurship and was one of
the first in her country tocreate companies in And to date,
she has built seveninternational companies and
(01:11):
inspired thousands around theglobe.
Deb has been recognized inSuccess Magazine 48 times and
has been given many nominationsand has won numerous awards for
her accolades in her personaland business achievements.
And some of Deb's projectsinclude the Show Up, Stand Up,
Speak Up, Yes You movement.
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She is also the founder ofMission Accepted Media, the
Mission Accepted Podcast, andthe book Mission Accepted 262
Women Creatives, Entrepreneurs,and Media.
The fabulous Deb lives inbeautiful Vancouver, Canada.
She is the mother of her twofavorite people, her daughter,
(01:54):
Chloe, and her son, Ocean.
And with her new title of Yaya,she gets to add to that favorite
list, her beautifulgrandchildren, Brinley and
Cashton.
SPEAKER_00 (02:04):
Welcome to My goodness.
Thank you so much.
It is going to be so fun to behere with you today.
I mean, I love it.
To hum as human.
Sign me up.
SPEAKER_01 (02:13):
Well, I thought of you first thing when I was just
thinking about creatives becauseyou are so passionate about
living a creative life.
And if you could take us back tothe beginning, what sparked this
creativity in you?
Did you grow up in a creativehousehold or were you encouraged
to just make things and buildthings as a child?
SPEAKER_00 (02:34):
Yeah.
Yeah, you know what?
I wouldn't say that my house wasfull of creatives.
I definitely would say that Iwas the black sheep if we were
to say that.
People like, what are you doing?
People call me a professionalhippie.
And I live like a hippie.
I think like a hippie.
But I do have this kind ofRubik's Cube brain that likes to
take creativity and put it intoformulation, which is why I
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build companies.
To me, it's a creative process.
But the first time, I guess, ifI was to say that I
experienced...
confirmation of how I thought orhow I lived.
Maybe I was 14 years old.
I always had a record player.
We always had record player andvinyls in my home.
And I always had a record playerin my bedroom.
I still have a record player.
(03:17):
I raised my kids on vinyl.
Even when it wasn't cool.
It's back to trend now, right?
But oh my gosh, yeah.
So I remember going into theliving room and grabbing an
album called Pearl.
I took it into my bedroom andput it on and it's Janis Joplin.
Honestly, it was like I couldbreathe.
I could breathe.
And so my My first creative lovewas definitely music.
I had a natural aptitude forart.
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I used to just draw pictures.
My art teacher used to walk byand just put an A on the picture
when I just started.
So I always had that ability tobe creative.
And I think I saw things fromthat spectrum.
I had maybe my first spiritualdownload when I was eight and it
kind of freaked me out and Ididn't know what it was and I
didn't really like it.
And so in my twenties, it kindof came back and I was a little
better with it.
(03:59):
And then it certainly grew intoa part of who I was, but yeah, I
would say it was music was myfirst creative love.
There's
SPEAKER_01 (04:05):
so much in music that just moves you both
physically and emotionally.
I can see how you're tappinginto that energy to bring out
other aspects of your life.
When you say black sheep, I'llprobably say I was a black sheep
too.
And essentially what that meansis you were just thinking
outside of the norm.
I love that.
I absolutely love that.
So your work is rooted inpurpose and passion.
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How did you find clarity on
SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
what that purpose was for you?
Wow.
You know, the purpose of my workis to project that i'm in right
now this big 262 movement that'skind of globally sweeping really
came to me as a bit of adownload and i know that you
understand what that is when iwas 31 for
SPEAKER_01 (04:45):
our list for our listeners who may not
necessarily know what that is ifyou could
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
explain yeah it's just it's just a clarity message
really it's just a messagethat's super clear like you you
hear something different in adifferent way it's like you
almost have a third ear likethere's a knowingness to the
thought it's like oh i'm gonnado one of these one day i mean i
was I went to the bookstore toget my planner that I got every
year called the Woman's Day Bookand it went out of print and I
(05:11):
was frustrated.
And I'm like, oh, I'm just goingto make one of these one day.
Made no sense whatsoever becauseat that time in my life, I was,
I owned and ran a reallybeautiful holistic health center
at 18 staff and we were goingfor it.
It was amazing.
We were booked solid and 12hours a day and blah, blah,
blah.
And all of this stuff was great.
There was no room in my worldfor even thinking media or
(05:33):
publication or what have you andthen I just guess I never took
it off my list I don't know whatthat means and then I had a very
clear defined moment aboutcreating a media company like I
literally woke up and was toldto start a podcast and this was
years years ago I didn't evenknow what one was I was like
what are you talking about youknow and so I've had those
clarity messages where you justknow you need to act on them I
(05:57):
always say I don't always dowhat I'm told but there's times
where it was just a claritymessage and it felt right like
it was just the time to do it.
And that's what this project isall about.
For me, my experience, maybe notfor everybody, but the clarity
as you start to get in and youstay with the project or stay
with the movement or stay withwhat you're doing, it evolves
(06:19):
and you have choices, which iswhy my show is called Mission
Accepted.
Because just because you weregiven a mission doesn't mean you
need to stay on it.
Doesn't mean you need to takethe next mission.
Doesn't mean you need to evolvewith it.
You can stop.
I don't know why my braindoesn't understand that.
but it seems to like justcontinue to evolve but I think
that is the life of a creative Ithink that really is the
(06:40):
difference between you knowthere's people that are creative
and there's people that areentrepreneurs I have very good
friends of mine that areentrepreneurs and they're like I
don't understand how you thinkand I go because my son is an
artist and my son paints allsorts of different types of
pictures and no one says to himwow you should stop painting
different types of picturesthey're like it's cool you do
(07:02):
landscape you do tattoo styleyou do this but when it comes to
an entrepreneur they're like wowlike you just keep adding things
on that is the life of acreative yes we don't really
have an off button people likeoh when are you going to retire
i'm like i don't know when theythrow dirt on the box like i
mean do we have a choice i meani think that's kind of the
question like people like how doyou why do you do it i'm like i
(07:24):
wish i had a choice it just itjust wakes up sometimes it wakes
up before i do i used to saythat like oh my goodness my
brain wakes up before i do youknow
SPEAKER_01 (07:33):
And it's something about the true creative just
inspires other people to startcreating too.
I think having that
SPEAKER_00 (07:41):
aspect in yourself.
Oh my gosh, Donabelle, I have totell you.
So I did a podcast last week andit was for people that were
creatives, people in creativeand people in media.
There was four of us.
By the end of the podcast, wewere all thinking about doing a
book together.
And then I said, stop it, stopit.
All of us stop it right now.
This is what happens when youget creatives in the room.
(08:03):
Go home, get off my screen.
SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
It's true.
I mean, creativity just bringsout creativity and I love that.
Now, as a woman entrepreneur,were there specific challenges
that you've seen women face inentrepreneurship and have you
built support into your work tohelp them rise, which I
mentioned?
SPEAKER_00 (08:25):
I mean, I've been, I've been entrepreneuring for
over 33 years.
So just being an entrepreneur inthe beginning, I remember one of
my family members telling mydaughter when she went over for
sleepover, she said, well, youknow, when I had my last child,
I chose to be a good mom and,you know, give up her business.
So when my daughter came homeand told me, I called my family
(08:46):
member and I'm like, that willliterally be the last time my
daughter stays at your house.
So let's just get really clearon that.
So that was that.
So I've had that.
And then I've had you go to thebank and they're like, Oh, what
do you want?
What do you want it for?
And you can tell they're lookingfor someone else to be in the
meeting with me.
And I'm like, Oh, by the way, Imake more than he does.
So let's not have thatconversation.
(09:08):
So then I started, I would, Ihad a woman bank manager.
And so we could have realconversations.
And she put me in touch withsomeone who helps with finance,
who was a woman.
And I found like, I reallyneeded, I was not like, and I'm
the person I hire the best forthe job.
Like, seriously, there's men andwomen, I'm like, I'm like, I
hang out with women and peoplethat support women.
So I'm hoping that's everybody.
(09:29):
But if it's not, then cooldudes, right?
So for me, in the beginning, itwas really more important than
maybe even so now to hang withwomen that understood business
and what we were trying to dobecause there was no women's
networking groups to go to whenI started, none, not a woman's
organization, not a foundation.
So they were in my house Sundayat two, bring your kids,
(09:49):
everyone paid two bucks and thatfed everybody.
I mean, without making me soundlike I'm 80, if it's not there,
just build it.
And then it has been that forsure.
I think that it's real.
It's not something that itdoesn't experience.
I talk to women all day, thingsthat they've experienced.
or I remember when I first wentto my board of trade, like
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there's these, you know, there'schamber of commerce's and then
where I am, there's this, youknow, big board of trade and
they're like the pinnacle ofall, you know, chamber of
commerce's.
And I went like maybe 25 yearsago, something like that, 20
something years ago.
And I remember walking in and,you know, shaking someone's hand
and they were in a suit.
And the first thing out of theirmouth is like, you should join
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one of the committees.
And I was like, This isn't aTupperware party.
You know what I mean?
And now I love Tupperware.
No offense to Tupperware.
I was just like, would you havesaid that in the first three
seconds of meeting somebody if Iwasn't a woman?
I don't know.
We don't know.
But, you know, you know whenyou're not hitting grade.
Now, I was a woman with asuccessful aromatherapy company
(10:55):
25 years ago.
I didn't get a whole lot of...
Pioneer.
Yeah, now I do.
You were a pioneer back then,yeah.
You know, you used to makeawards or whatever and people
were like, oh, shoot, go, youknow?
So it can be also that if you'rea successful woman in business,
it can be intimidating.
You come up against that.
Some of my colleagues go upagainst that.
So there's all sorts of thingsthat can happen.
It's just learning that postureand learning how to overcome
(11:19):
that.
And then there's just some stuffthat's real that you just have
to deal with.
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
So for you, is success more about impact,
freedom, financial growth, or isit something else entirely?
How would you define success?
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
So success has many components.
You just mentioned three ofthem.
Success, I guess for me, isreally when I wake up in the
morning And look, if some peoplewake up and they've been doing
the kind of projects that we'redoing and say they're not tired,
they're not telling the truth.
Right.
So just, you know, you don'ttake on global impact and go, I
get to check out at fiveo'clock.
(11:54):
That's not how it works.
So particularly when you gointernational, you're like, it's
nine o'clock at night and you'rejust, you know, you're just
waking up.
Let's talk.
So as I think success for me.
is that I don't fight what Ineed to do.
Success for me is I wake up nomatter how I feel, happy if I'm
exhilarated, if I'm this, I'mthat.
I'm on purpose, I know I'm onpurpose.
There's a meaning.
I don't not want to be sittingon this podcast with you talking
(12:15):
about it.
So there's an inner knowingnessthat I'm doing the right thing.
And then you get theseincredible confirmations, like
mind blowing confirmations.
For me right now, it's like oneof the women who came into our
262 family, maybe two years ago,she'd been working with United
Nations for 40 years in groupsorganizations.
Her name's Kathy Walton.
She's a rock star.
And she wanted to have her ownbusiness as well.
(12:37):
She's a woman in leadership.
She's been doing this.
And so she came speaking andstarted to build a community and
build people that knew her.
And then she came to the Emmyswith us when we handed out this
incredible book of 260 women.
And then it was like, you know,she was talking about this book
she had inside her.
So I'm like, Heather, who's theorganizer, I'm like, call her
over.
I'm like, let's do it.
And she's like, if you can haveyour book done in 90 days, you
(12:58):
can be back.
You can be back at, no, we wereat the Emmys.
She said, you can be back at theOscars with your own table.
She's like, seriously?
I'm like, go, Birdie, go.
Then we'd share her on.
I get tingles when I think abouthow that woman evolved in like a
year and a half, maybe twoyears.
And so those things is whatfeels like this is a success to
me.
It also has to take care of me.
(13:20):
It also has to take care of myfamily.
I rant and rave about let'screate a sustainable world
because sustainability is a formof empowerment.
If I can create platforms wherewomen and those that support
women, so I have men that areclients.
I have men that advertise andsponsor and want to have TV.
We just launched a TV channel,right?
If they want a TV show, they cando that.
(13:40):
So as long as their heart's inthe right place, they're welcome
where we are.
And so creating those, I tellpeople, I'm going to help you
get the right exposure so yourbusiness is sustainable.
Well, we need to be sustainableas well.
So we need to walk that walk andtalk that talk.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So, you
SPEAKER_01 (13:56):
know.
I mean, obviously-Transformation for yourself, but
for your client as well, soundslike the main impetus behind a
lot of what you do.
There is definitely this impact.
And I'm curious, was there amoment that you can recall where
everything changed for you?
I don't imagine you playanything safe, but was there a
time in your life where you hadto choose between playing it
(14:19):
safe or following your calling?
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
I've been an entrepreneur since I was in my
twenties.
So in terms of what a lot oftimes people consider safe would
be I mean I've had two babiesman I would have loved to have
Matt leave you know I don't knowwhat sick days feel like like
paid sick days or paid holidaypay or medical or dental or any
of that stuff I never chose thatpath from an early stage so I
(14:44):
never left safety for safetyI've had beautiful businesses
that I've built that haveshifted and converted into other
businesses and that fear ofletting something go that you
love for something else that youlove was a really tough one.
When I let go, I had a privatehealth studio.
I talked about it and I walkedin and all of us were intuitives
(15:04):
and all of us did healing andcrystals and aromatherapy.
And I listened to meditationmusic all day and I worked on
five or six clients and it wassatisfying and it was soulful.
And then when I got the massivenudge and the world was shifting
and we had to shift and goinginto this other role of leading
(15:25):
large teams globally and andsharing about brain products and
all of that.
That was a really difficult, youknow, I remember crying on the
couch on that one.
I remember coming home and goinginto the shower with my clothes
on and lying on the couch andcalling a friend of mine who was
a major CEO.
And I called him.
I'm like, I don't feel good.
He goes, where are you?
And I said, I just packed up thebusiness tonight.
(15:46):
He said, don't move.
I said, I won't.
And he came over and he's like,okay, I know what it's like to
wrap a business up, even thoughyou love it, even though parts
of it work, the calling to go tothe next one was really loud.
So I've gone through that.
Yeah.
You know, even right now we justlaunched a television channel.
I know.
What are you not doing?
(16:07):
You know, I used to work atDenny's graveyard shift for 365
an hour.
Like this is, you know, even I'mlike, what the heck am I doing?
And of course I had goblins and,you know, going in my ear.
Oh my gosh, are we going to makeit?
Are we not going to make it?
You know, and then you needthat, that external sometimes or
someone to go, you've made it sofar.
You know what I mean?
You're going to to be fine andyou know you're going to be fine
(16:29):
because you put yourself throughthis kind of test before but I'm
like please tell me there's nobigger there's no bigger ones
than this you know unlessBranson's like hey you want to
like start another plane companyor something you know what I
mean you don't you don't knowwhere things are going to go but
um is uh it's interesting It'sinteresting.
SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
Well, you know, you mentioned your CEO colleague
when you're closing your firstbusiness.
Like, who do you lean on orlearn from when you need
encouragement or perspective or,you know, something that you
can...
let our listeners know too.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Yeah.
Look, I am fully transparent inthis and I don't say this
because I'm a coach, right?
But people go, how did you gofrom there to here?
Right?
First of all, I didn't exitstage left.
There's times where I did riceand peas or steak and lobster.
There's times where it was supertight, but I got to where I am
by coaches, experts, therapists,counselors.
(17:22):
You know when you need outsideadvice.
And for me, being a solopreneur,I want to have someone in it
with me.
I was talking to a woman thismorning who's hiring me to work
with her in what she does.
Very well established, very wellcurated, has all the pieces
together, right?
But it doesn't matter how muchyou have it together.
There's something about someoneelse's observation and someone
(17:44):
that you align with that cantake you to the next place with
grace, right?
There's people that, like, youknow, I talked to a woman this
morning, early this morning,talking about time zones, who's
at the very beginning of herbusiness.
And she's like, I seeentrepreneurs and I see them
struggle and I don't want tostruggle and I'm like okay well
then let's do the infrastructurethat most you know entrepreneurs
(18:05):
don't do including when Istarted my first business my
first business plan was a eightand a half piece of paper how
many massages do I need to do topay the rent I mean really
that's what it was right like ittook me three minutes I really
truly believe that it's coachingand then at a time where you've
been in business as long as I amyou're calling in an expert I
called a really cool colleaguethat I have high level respect
(18:25):
for and we could probably coacheach other like we We're pretty
par.
So I called her and I said,we're launching the TV and we're
stepping into some unchartedterritory.
I mean, 99% of it's prettychartered because I've done lots
of stuff before.
But I said, I just want someoneI can blow off steam to.
I want someone that I cannavigate with.
I want someone that I'm going tothrow things at.
(18:46):
I'm only looking for that 2%.
I mean, I'm a top performancecoach, right?
So I live in the one to 3%.
I'm like, I just want to know.
She's like, yeah, no problem.
You know, like friend to friend.
I said, no, I'm going to hireyou.
She goes, you don't need to hireme.
And I said, yeah, why to hireyou.
She was like, you're going tohire me to be your business
friend.
I said, you're going to be mybusiness best friend just for
this little phase so that I canjust formulate and have someone
to talk to.
(19:06):
She's like, sure.
If you want to pay me, I'm like,yeah, I do.
Um, even at the stage that I amwhere I coach, you know, and
everything in between, highlevel, people starting,
whatever.
It's always good to have afriend, a colleague, someone you
trust that is giving you theright advice, that you have
faith in, that they're gonnatake you to that next phase.
(19:26):
Honestly, it has been like thatfor me.
And I also think great coachesalways have a coach on the side,
either you're active, you know,activating them a lot or a
little, I think as you start tomove into, you know, number of
companies or whatever, youprobably don't need it as much.
You need more specialized.
I don't know.
I mean, when, when my son didhis business plan, he's 21, he
(19:49):
started at 15, launched at 19.
You know, my girlfriend, my CFOhappened to be his CFO.
I mean, who starts off theirbusiness with a CFO?
Not too many people, but inthere, is now when you do your
expenses for a business and whenyou're relooking your expenses,
please put coaching.
It's got to be a line on yourexpenses because it's going to
save you expenses on so manyother things.
(20:13):
I've put myself to test, likewhen I say rice and peas, I mean
rice and peas, to access expertinformation to get to make the
right decisions.
SPEAKER_01 (20:21):
Well, and you need also someone to help you just
have the vision outside ofyourself because when you're
so...
in it.
You really need to have someoneas your other eyes because hard
to see in other ways.
But please, could you tell us alittle bit about Mission
Accepted 262 Women Creatives?
I love this project.
Can you just tell us more aboutthat?
SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
Yeah.
So 262 is a global movement forwomen and those that support
women.
It started off creating anincredible book, a book that was
meant to be a book where womencould stand up, speak up, and
show up.
That's been my mission for everyseven companies that i've built
and it was time to actualize itand so it's an incredible book
(21:03):
that you kind of like when youopen up a magazine it's this
beautiful full cover spread ofeach woman the women are
self-funded so whether we have ayou know five-time emmy award
winner she's you know she'sgreat she's done five emmys now
she's like every otherentrepreneur looking for her
sixth whether you do coaching ori mean there's so many cool
women in the book like people docoaching and artists and authors
(21:26):
and speakers and actors andpeople in the sports and medical
and all sorts of differentprofessions.
And when you open up the book,there's this page where they
tell you a bit about who theywere, something they overcame,
something that's important tothem.
I wrote that music's mytherapist.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, that's how peopleare like, how do you make it?
I go, a lot of music.
And so I wrote somethingpersonal so that it draws you
(21:50):
closer to who that person is.
I mean, you got to hum as human.
Here's the human side.
And then on this side, it says,stand up, speak up and show up.
Now, what do you do and why doyou do it?
And then invite me to have, youknow, a virtual coffee.
Just, I don't need 45 socialmedia handles.
Just give me one place I canfind you.
And then a beautiful picture ofblack and white.
We don't do headshots.
(22:10):
This is not a, you know,directory of people.
This is, you get a sense ofsomeone as, and then there's a
two word directive on the bottomright-hand corner.
It could be, you know, hum more.
It could be speak up.
It could be one woman's got toeat pizza, celebrate life.
So it's a flip book that tellsyou, even if you just open it up
during the day.
So I said, I wanted to do afive-year book tour.
And my publicist was like, whatare you doing?
(22:32):
That's fiscal suicide.
I said, no, it's not.
It's 262 women that need to beseen, need to be heard and need
to be read.
And this book is going to goaround the world.
And it started a movement.
A year later, we started puttingsummits together because I got a
download, that clear messageafter watching a show on TV
called Seeing All Red, which isGloria Allred's life story.
(22:53):
I got a download and thedownload said, you need to
create an accessible and globalproject And I'm like, well, I
hate to tell you, I'm doing abook of 262 women.
I'm not quite sure what else youwant me to do because that was a
download.
I had no idea of doing 262women, but that came to me after
a meditation.
And then I heard a message.
International Women's Day hasbecome a Facebook posting day
(23:14):
and you need to get women tohonor it like a mom does
Mother's Day.
And I thought, well, isn't thatinteresting?
So how do I get women to embodythat?
the essence of InternationalWomen's Day.
I said, I guess it's repetition.
And so we created summits Everytime zone in the world from
morning to night on the eighthday of the month from March,
(23:35):
2023 to May 11th, 2024, we did22 summits in 15 months, 440
speakers and 6,000 women showedup to hear them.
So it created a movement.
So, you know, at that point, youknow, you say, how come you keep
going?
Well, sometimes you create somuch stuff that you can't step
away.
So then we launched this bookand I said, let's launch this
book with 50 pages, not taken.
(23:57):
And my team's like, what are youdoing?
And I said, we're doing fiveyears.
We're going to meet women thatwant to be in the book.
We're going to meet women wewant in the book.
And so we closed the book.
We put women of history on thosepages so women could go back and
respect some of the women thatlaid track for us.
And then we went to market and Ican't even tell you how big the
book hit.
(24:17):
And then we started doing thesetours like Ireland and Vancouver
and Texas and LA and Emmys andOscars.
And then the time came where Isaid, let's open the book for a
revision and then we will closeit and we will be heading to the
Emmy's September 2025 in LA.
And we are going to be putting ared bow in this book.
It's going to be complete andfilled.
Actually, this morning we had 12spots.
(24:38):
Now we have 11 because I justhad a call before this.
And so we're super excited tohave 262 women live and
represented because some of thewomen of history were no longer
with us.
And then that kicks offspeaking.
We always will have 220 speakingspots a year.
And then all the women thatspeak on the summit, we will
(24:59):
take their episode and make abeautiful curated episode.
And we will now gift you bymoving that over to our women's
channel where you will be seenby 250 to 300 million people.
So if you've got something toshare, if you've got a message
that want to be heard, becauseit can be tough as an
entrepreneur.
I mean, let's face it.
It is tough as an entrepreneurto be able to not only be
(25:19):
passionate about what you do,fund what you do, find clients,
continue to market.
And a lot of entrepreneurs don'tlike to let go of every aspect.
So we're like, just Step in andlet us help you have exposure so
people can come to you for whatyou do.
So literally, as someone who'sbeen on the stage many times, I
put myself behind the curtainand help people platform so they
(25:45):
get seen.
And that's, you know, a big partof when you said, what do you
consider success?
For me, it's when I see thatwomen like Kathy Holt that I
told you is rocking her worldand anything that I can give
access to, including someone'slike, I'd like to have my own TV
show.
on your channel.
You're like, yeah, you do.
And let me tell you why.
And let me help you.
They're like, I don't know whatI'm doing.
(26:05):
And I'm like, that's perfect.
You know what I mean?
Like what I didn't, I didn'trealize that she's a, she's a
hormone specialist.
I'm like, well, I didn't reallyexpect you to know about TV.
So let's just figure this out.
Right.
And to be able to createaccessible media.
So, you know, people can comeonto our podcast, which is
super, you know, super big andmedia world for$25, or they can
(26:27):
come there on show for 5,000.
These are not expensive prices.
So we are an accessible mediahouse.
And that's the journey that canhappen.
So I don't know if it's a cleardecision.
Like I said, you know, I don'tknow if you really get to say
yes or no, because it just kindof keeps morphing.
But I think we're pretty wellhitting pinnacle with TV.
I think we can stop and rest fora little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
Oh my goodness.
Well, tell me about this channelbecause I just found out about
it and I know you just recentlyhad a podcast speaking about it.
Where did this idea come from?
Aside from a download, was itjust literally the next step?
SPEAKER_00 (27:02):
The words came out of my mouth before I even knew I
could formulate it when I said,we're going to do this book and
then women are going to speakand we're going to get them on
TV.
I've been saying it for a yearand a half.
And then it was the research.
You know, sometimes you saythings and then it gets figured
out, right?
Everything's figureoutable.
But I would say that it was aninteresting journey getting us
(27:24):
to the right place with theright people for the right
reasons.
But I always knew that I wantedto offer that.
So I talked to I talked it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:31):
Well, and it's a first of its kind, right?
This is a women's channel inCanada.
No other channel existed likethis.
SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
Yeah.
Well, I'm in Canada.
The women's channel is on anetwork that streams to Roku,
which is not Canadian, andAmazon and Apple.
But yeah, there's definitely notanother woman that has the
women's channel in Canada that Iknow of.
SPEAKER_01 (27:51):
That's incredible.
So if there is an entrepreneur,someone who's listening, who's
sitting on a dream, but scaredto take the leap.
What is the first small step you
SPEAKER_00 (28:03):
would recommend?
Okay, well, there's, let mereally think about that.
Well, you know, sometimes peoplewill say, take a step, any step.
I'm not sure I follow thatphilosophy.
I would say for me, It would bemake it real.
So what is make it real for you?
If make it real is to go tellsomeone, then tell someone.
If make it real is write it on apiece of paper like what I did.
(28:23):
You know, when I meet withpeople, I'm like, can we do a
business plan?
And they're like, oh, thatdoesn't sound like fun.
I'm like, 90 minutes.
We can just do, you know, let'sdo a business plan in 90
minutes.
Someone else would say maybe goresearch it to make it real.
I think actualized.
And I'm not talking typingeither.
I'm like, get a piece of paperand pen.
So good for your brain.
You'll actually absorb yourselfmuch more and really start
(28:45):
writing it out or grab a friend,a trusted friend, a friend
that's going to push you andhelp you be like, not the friend
that, you know, this is what Isay.
You don't go to your bankmanager and talk about your
marriage, right?
Because they don't know.
They don't, I don't know.
Go to somebody that's doing andliving your dream.
(29:06):
So if they're a activeentrepreneur that's pushing
themselves out of their comfortzone inactivity that's doing
that, then talk to them.
And don't say you're asking fortheir advice.
Just say, I want to, I'm superexcited.
This is what I'm going to do.
And I just want to make it real.
You need to be really careful onwho you share those with,
(29:28):
because I've had people thatsay, Oh my gosh, I wanted to do
that.
But my person or my husband ormy brother or my wife or my mom
or my this, like, if you go tosomeone that doesn't understand
finance, Why would you go andask them a financial question?
So make sure you pick your firstperson, right?
But get it out of your head.
If it's in your head, get it outof your head.
(29:50):
Yeah.
I think the computer startresearching, find someone that
you really trust, right?
That's going to help you throughthat journey.
And then look at here's, I liveby something called Providence.
I've had a lot of, I mean, lookat, I've worked with a lot of
clients over the years and I'vehad a lot of staff and a lot of
people that are friends andteach.
And here's the thing.
Providence will not come intoplay.
(30:11):
There's a beautiful ScottishHimalayan proverb that talks
about providence.
It's long and lengthy.
I'll save you the poem.
But it basically says this.
When you say yes, providencecomes into play.
It will not come into play untilyou say yes.
And when you say yes, allunforeseen, unforeseen.
(30:31):
So you could sit there all youwant and try to figure this
stuff out.
Good luck.
You can do a lot of things.
You can make a business plan.
You can can research, you can docomparative analysis and
competitive analysis.
I made my son do all of that toteach him a business plan.
And he just like, thanks, mom.
So you got your data.
At the end of the day, moveforward with faith.
(30:54):
It is unforeseen, but yourunforeseen support system, those
people that are going to sit atthat board table that you can't
see, cannot come knocking at thedoor or throw us in each other's
lives or a book that you need toread or something pop up on your
screen.
You're like, that's kind ofweird or whatever.
(31:15):
Those things are going to stayunforeseen until you say yes and
start to make movement.
And then, you know, if you'reshy, like, look at my son was
shy.
I mean, shy, right?
I'm like, well, you need tolearn how to do some podcasts.
His mom's in media.
And he's like, I'm not doingpodcasts.
I'm like, yeah, darling, youare.
So I found a specialist.
(31:37):
I didn't want it to be me.
I found a specialist who was acoach that worked with teenage
kids that were shy.
I mean, they're out there.
And, you know, now my sonrattles off interviews and can
go on TV after a year and ahalf.
So you just make movement.
But honestly, you know, neverhave a sure thing until you make
it a sure thing.
SPEAKER_01 (31:55):
I love that.
Just make it real.
I mean, that sounds prettysimple, but when you think about
it, it's like, that's reallywhat's sort of in the way.
It's not real until you actuallyact on it.
In terms of your more spiritualintuitive side, do you have
something in your daily practicethat keeps you grounded in all
of this?
Because there is so much goingon.
(32:16):
Is there something you do tohelp you be the channel, be the
conduit, but also stay grounded?
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
I think after this long of being a...
active spiritual being.
It's the same thing as when Iused to walk in.
I mean, I did 30,000 clients.
So I used to teach massage.
So I could walk in and flip,leave my stuff at the door and
go into that kind of conduitchanneling, whatever it was I
(32:42):
was going to do that day.
It was an automatic.
I think the blessing of beingsomeone who has been spiritually
minded for a long time is thatsome of that is automated.
I mean, I really do believe thatI wake up.
I have a knowingness.
I don't question the messages.
If someone cancels last minute,I don't get twisted up.
I know that.
(33:03):
So that's one of them.
You practice long enough and youstart to know yourself.
The second thing is I don'tdeviate from a very, very, very
healthy food eating regime.
For me, I made a decision a longtime ago.
Well, first of all, I got unwellin my 20s when I was working at
a late night dessert restaurant.
And I've been gluten-free forover 30 years.
(33:26):
Gluten, sugar, and dairy, Idon't eat.
And then I spend a lot of money,to be honest with you, on
really, really goodnutraceuticals.
And people say to me, oh, youdon't lift your age.
You don't act your age.
So for me, keeping my body likea temple and treating it like
the most important piece of realestate I own has been a strong
(33:46):
conduit to my ability to stillhave the energy to do what I do.
I know when I need to go have aconversation with God.
I'm on the balcony.
I'm like, okay, what's up?
What's going on?
I listen to music all day.
the time.
I listen to inspirational music.
I listen to country music.
I listen to rock music.
I go to concerts.
Music for me fills my soul,whatever fills your soul.
(34:08):
I think sometimes I live in ameditative state.
I'd love to say I meditate everyday.
I don't consciously meditateevery day, but there's times
where I do.
So I think for me, it's anautomatic at this point, but for
sure, my diet is non-negotiable.
The powerful nutraceuticals thatI take, non-negotiable, even
when we're in steak, you know,rice and peas, I don't, I don't
(34:29):
vary on that.
I'll have the same coach for 10years if I need to.
I mean, really, what's the deal?
What's more important?
So those are some of the thingsthat I do.
SPEAKER_01 (34:37):
Wow.
It's obviously working.
I'm in awe of all the work thatyou do because you have such a
big heart.
I love that you see that there'spotential in everyone.
Everyone has something to offerand you live a life of impactful
purpose.
And it's just a beautiful way towitness your work and what you
(34:57):
do.
And I know listeners will willhave plenty to explore after
hearing this segment.
How do folks connect with you?
I
SPEAKER_00 (35:04):
just make it super easy.
It's so funny when people arelike, oh, your projects are so
complex.
No, actually, it's prettysimplified.
So my name is Deb Drummond, andthey can go to debdrummond.com.
And there's contact buttons allover that.
And it will actually go to myemail.
So the nice thing is it bypassesmy team and goes to my email.
And if someone's like, oh mygosh, what was her website?
(35:26):
You could probably find me byGoogling me.
Okay.
You can go to Deb Drummond andthere'll be all sorts of, all
sorts of ways to find me orDeborah Drummond.
So, you know, I've went fromDeborah Drummond to Deb Drummond
in my marketing, but either one,but debdrummond.com.
You can find me there.
SPEAKER_01 (35:41):
Well, you are such an inspiration.
And Deborah Drummond, I'm sothankful for you joining us
today and just sharing yourworld, sharing your insight.
And it's just an honor.
So thank you for being on
SPEAKER_00 (35:54):
the show.
Well, me too.
And for people that don't know,I mean, we shared in a book
together people get people getto read no people get to read
both our stories and I'm lookingforward to getting to know you
better I mean I think that's thecool thing about doing something
like that and then getting toknow people that think like like
I am really grateful to be onyour show today I recognize that
we all have a certain amount oftime and a certain amount of
(36:17):
people that we can do our showswith I have one so to be
selected is just very cool andit gives me a chance to get to
know you more as well so Ireally appreciate it
SPEAKER_01 (36:27):
thank you and truth be told to Hum is Human.
That was a download.
I was told to do a podcast andthis is what I'm doing right
now.
And the book that we're both inis The Intuitive Entrepreneur,
Deeper Connections for SoulDriven Success.
And we both have chapters andthat's our connection.
And I love that we did thattogether.
Me too.
Anyway, Debra Drummond, thankyou so much.
(36:50):
You're welcome,
SPEAKER_00 (36:50):
honey.
SPEAKER_01 (36:52):
Thanks so much for tuning in today.
I'm so glad you spent this timewith me.
If something in this episoderesonated, feel free to share it
or pass it along to someone whomight need that little spark.
I'd also love to hear what cameup for you.
Send me a message or drop acomment on Instagram at
tohumishuman.
(37:14):
You can also find more episodesand updates at sonorouslight.com
or on your favorite podcastplatform.
Until next time, keep humming.
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