October 21, 2025 • 43 mins
Tony, Jay, and Chris dive into the nightmarish experience of buying a vehicle from a dealership, exposing the tactics, frustrations, and time-wasting procedures that make it one of modern life's most dreaded transactions.
• Dealerships routinely keep customers for 4-5 hours before completing a vehicle purchase
• Modern vehicles are built with planned obsolescence, using plastic parts instead of durable materials
• Interior protection packages can be worthwhile investments despite the high cost
• Salespeople frequently change pre-agreed terms when customers arrive at the dealership
• Interest rates are manipulated and negotiated to maximize dealer profits
• Dealerships use confusing paperwork and calculations to obscure the true cost
• Even when everything is finalized, unexpected issues like "battery charging" can delay delivery
• The quality of vehicles has declined while prices continue to increase dramatically
• The entire car buying process is universally hated by both consumers and many dealership employees
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Top Shelf Stories with Jay, chris and Tony.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Thanks for joining us this week on another episode of
Top Shelf Stories.
I'm Tony, your host.
I'm here with Jay and Chris.
They're joining me today.
Like always, tony, we're goingto talk about possibly the most
miserable experience you couldhave in your life Chiropractic
work, massages.
Buying a vehicle from a dealer.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You can never go into a dealer without spending five
hours before you actually leavethe dealer with the vehicle.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Does anybody in this world go to a dealership without
getting totally fucked?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I don't know.
I feel like I got a pretty gooddeal on my machine.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Did they just explain to you that you got a good deal
, or do you truly feel that way?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I felt like I got a good deal, but they also were
like that's it, that's all we'regoing to do you.
It was the end.
There was a point where I waslike come on more.
And they're like nah.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You're not gonna feel like you won here, but I did
feel like I always get fuckedwith the factory installed, or
factory uh, off the factory line, the um.
What is it like for the fabric,the 10 years?
The interior protection yeah,that shit, like I didn't ask for
it.
It's two thousand dollars.
I didn't ask for it, but youcan't get rid of it because it
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came from the factory.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It doesn't come from the factory.
That's a secondary.
That's a secondary company.
Um, I will not buy a vehiclewithout it my car came as this.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It wasn't brand new, but it was from a dealership and
it was the first time I hadbought a car at a dealership.
I'd never done it before and Idon't I don't think I'm ever
gonna do it, would you buy?
It was from a dealership and itwas the first time I had bought
a car at a dealership.
I had never done it before.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I don't think I'm ever going to do it again.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Would you buy it online From somebody?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
else it was a lot easier when you could just go on
Craigslist and be like, oh,this dude's selling an F-150 for
$3,200, and then you just sendhim a message that says I'll
give you $1,200 cash.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, now you got a pot filler, so you feel like you
got to go to the dealership andget a brand new truck.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, you can't buy new trucks, why do you need a
new truck?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Untested untoward, but go on with your story.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Was the truck for work or is it for home use?
It's work.
It's the truck that's outside.
You bought a new truck.
Yeah, you did.
Bought a new truck.
Yeah, you did.
Yeah, for, uh, I thought youhad a fucking nice new nissan,
or what was it?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
a ram?
Oh, that's not nissan, no, butuh, no, no, no, I bought the
same truck I had you bought tworams.
Yeah, you got two ramps no, Igave them one which they totally
fucked me over on, and then Ibought this new one that they
also totally fucked me over on,and there's no way around it,
like if you're going to buysomething new, like there's no
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negotiating anymore, there's nofucking standing your ground.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I was always told to buy a car vehicle one or two
years older just because, onceyou drive away from the lot, it
loses a thousand dollars, twothousand dollars well, it loses
substantially more than that,yeah, but so so here's here's my
thing.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
right is that I drive .
I drive probably a little bitmore than double the average
person, probably more than that,and so my truck was three years
old and I traded it in with$101,000.
And the thing is is thingsaren't really like made to last
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anymore.
Everything's fucking plastic andpaper mache on these things for
real like nothing's solid,nothing's like hard steel,
nothing you know like all thepot filler folks, want new ones
exactly but you know, like backin the day you bought, you know
you bought a 1993 f-150 oh man,with the five speed stick in it,
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one of the best trucks ever soso back, I used to work at an
oil change center and this was,uh god, 19, 1996, so 1996.
People were bringing in theirtrucks and we had to, we had to
grease all the fittingsunderneath them and and there
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was, uh, in a like primitivecomputer system, there was a
thing you would type in a number, or you would type in what car
it was, or the license plate ifthey had been there before, and
it would tell you all the circ,fittings and everything under
there there's 16 fittings.
There's 32 fittings you knowsome of them had.
You know 20 plus some of themhad 15 um and we noticed that
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when people were bringing in1996 cars they had like two and
then the transmission.
We couldn't check thetransmission fluid or the
differential fluid anymore.
That was all sealed.
Everything, like everything onthem, is sealed and disposable.
So now the thoughts of you knowthat 1979 f100 you had lasting
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for 300 000 miles, getting alittle bit of rust on it but
still being a great truck Likethose days, are fucking over.
Everything's made the last like80,000 miles and then you got
to start replacing shit and at90,000 miles I started having
pretty big issues with with mytruck and it was still covered
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under the extended warranty thateverybody says you shouldn't
buy, that I will never own a carwithout one um and and I got
everything fixed.
But you know the writing's onthe wall.
It had a hundred thousand mileson it.
All my ball joints werestarting to clunk like the
steering's getting loose, thefucking everything's
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everything's needing to be fixedon it.
And I've had lots.
I've had every major truckmakers vehicles over the last 10
years and they're they're allthe fucking same.
Yeah, you can push them out to200 000 miles, but there's going
to be a lot of shit in themiddle of there that you got to
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do so at this point.
I mean, it's for my business.
It represents me and my companywhen I go to people's houses.
What about?
I'm sorry.
I'm not trying to be brokendown.
I'm not trying to have my heatnot blowing hot air.
I'm not trying to fucking surewhat about leasing piece of shit
what about?
I put too many miles on it ohyeah, you're right, because yeah
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they cap it off, sure, and then, and then they want you to
return it in kind of the goodshape yeah, yeah and you got,
you got fucking dense and my, myshit does not get returned in
good shape.
So the interior protection whichI used all throughout the three
years I had it, uh, theyfucking fixed everything on it
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and it actually looked like areally nice truck.
But I, I've had seats repaired,I've had a seat replaced, I've
had fucking uh stuff shampooedback to normal, I've had, uh,
worn armrests changed out likethey actually take care of.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
How much does that cost, like a warranty, like that
.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So um, on my last, on my last truck, I paid a
thousand for it huh thousand forthe whole thing, for the whole,
the whole interior protection.
Wow, that's not.
And uh, they cut me a check for850 for the door dings to be
repaired and they replaced theseat and, uh, got stains out of
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another seat carpet and fix somescratches.
Like they, they fucking losemoney on me as a customer.
Sure, sure, on this one I paid$800 for it, but they tried
sneaking in a fast one on me.
We agreed over the internet,through emails, that it was
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going to be $800, and it wasgoing to be the same coverage
that I had on my truck.
And I was very specific in whatI wanted, because the place I
went and bought it from was anhour away.
Like I don't want to makemultiple trips, I don't want to
start this whole fuckingnegotiation process.
Like I want I want everythingto be very clear and settled by
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the time I get in there, becauseI already know that if
everything's hashed out to thepoint where I got to walk in and
sign paperwork it's still goingto take four hours.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So you couldn't find anything closer.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
No, because you have to go to Lens for a truck.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
No, well, nobody.
Only one place had the sameblue one I had, and I really
just wanted everything thefucking same you're talking
about your personal.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But again, business fee it's not your business.
I thought you're talking aboutyour actual business, big ram.
No, that's a ram too, right?
Yeah, oh, I thought that's okay, that's what you know, my blue
truck okay, you got a new bluetruck.
Yeah, why you gotta get blue?
What's with you in blue?
I liked it.
You trying to copy me with mytattoos, like my blue arm you're
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multi-colored fucking.
Pastel colored arm motherfuckerit's mostly blue, yeah, okay
but uh, they try.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You know 800 bucks.
He's putting a fuckingpaperwork in front of me and I
notice it said interiorprotection.
I go what does this cover?
Because you showed me a list aminute ago that said it covers
dense things, repairs, blah,blah, blah.
And he's like oh no, no, no, no, this one doesn't cover that.
This one's just the inside.
(10:25):
You got to buy the other onealso.
For that I said no.
I said in my emails I was very,very clear about what I wanted
and you quoted it out.
Based on that, I said I didn'tjust tell you a like a name,
brand or something.
I I listed all the things Ineeded to cover and this is what
you told me it was.
So he knocked off like 1400bucks on that.
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But here, here's the kicker.
This is what they fucking do tome, right, because I'm kind of
an asshole ahead of time, so Idon't gotta be when I'm there.
I explained to him I don't needthis truck.
Okay, this, I'm here because Ilike this color truck and it's
the same one I have now, but I'mnot opposed to going somewhere
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else and getting a white one.
They're all the same price.
There, no price differences.
It's not like.
This same truck is eightthousand dollars cheaper.
Over here everybody is on likea no, no negotiation policy.
It's this is the price andthat's it really.
Yep, when it comes to new, used, you can probably still like
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get a couple grand off if youneeded to, or you know they can
overprice something, but this is, it's like fucking.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
all the prices are set by fucking dodge, yeah, I
gotcha and, and this is what itis, if you want this truck now
so tony's gotta get a new truckevery year, just like I get a
new phone yep, basically, yeah,basically, I'm set up with ram
the same way you're set up withApple.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But so I hash all this shit out and I'm very, very
clear.
I ask them what's the currentinterest rate?
And they said, well, it's afinancing special, right now
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4.9%.
Said, well, consideringinterest is like 7% right now.
It's not too bad.
But I go, I go through all theshit with them and I'm like I'm
like this is a done deal withthese extra items, assuming I
still qualify for this 4.9.
You go all right, so I go inand then they fucking lay the
sheets in front of me this iswhat it is if you take the
incentives.
This is what it is if you takethe 4.9.
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And I said, no, I'm like weclearly agreed on both, like
this truck with the incentives,and 4.9 is oh no, we can't do no
like oh no, dodge dodge willshut down our dealership if we
offer you both of these items,sure?
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So I go through and I go allright.
Well, now I'm just gonna applyfor financing with you and
you're gonna tell me what it is.
And I said, if it's, if it'snot fucking where I need it to
be, I'm going to leave becauseI'm not paying like crazy
interest on something because Idon't even really need it.
I can wait for the inaugurationand wait for these fucking
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interest rates to start droppinglike crazy and I can deal with
it then because I still havetime on my extended warranty.
I don't fucking need this.
So the guy goes all right, we'llfill it out and then I write
down.
I put my business name as thepurchaser and he's like oh, this
is going to be under a businessloan, so sure is, I have five
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cars that are under thebusiness's name.
Like this has never been anissue.
He's like oh well, just so youknow, interest rates for a
business are very different thaninterest rates for an
individual.
And I said, okay, well, let'ssee what you come back with and
change it to the individualmotherfucker.
So now I'm an hour in and nowI've just renegotiated
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everything that I've alreadyfucking dealt with over the
fucking computer and I'm getting.
I'm getting a little irritated.
And the salesman, he's got freemountain dew he's still.
They just had water and fuckingpretzels.
So, and now the salesman'strying to fucking pull this shit
on me.
He's like well, you know, youhaven't driven it yet.
Let me get you in this truck soyou can fall in love.
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And I go, I go, tim, with alldue respect, it's always gonna
look at what the fuck I showedup in.
It's the same fuck I'm likeit's the same goddamn truck.
I said I don't need to drivethis truck.
I said the first time I driveit is when I own it.
I'm like I do not fucking needto take a test drive the same
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truck.
I came here.
What's the year?
difference again three well, no,that's not true, five model
years, but three calendar years,because I bought.
I bought my truck at the end of21 and it was a brand new 2020.
And now I'm buying one at theend of 24 that's a 2025.
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So he's pulling all thisfucking salesman bullshit on me
and I'm like look, all all thisshit was worked out before I
came in.
Yeah, like now, you're notprepared for me.
This is the fucking problem,right?
So I fell out the financingpaperwork.
He's like oh, I gotta hand thisoff to matt over in financing.
So the next person you'll hearfrom is him like, all right.
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He's like yeah, I have a seathere.
Feel free to go get yourself abag of pretzels or a water, like
beautiful.
So now I'm sitting on facebookscrolling around and fucking.
Two and a half hours goes by,jesus christ.
And and the fucking financingguy is like oh, mr cavanaugh, I
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got great news for you and I'mlike
oh, great news.
Huh, he goes.
Yeah, we got you almost done,I'll be back in an hour.
He goes, I got you approved.
And I'm like, okay, great,what's my interest rate?
He goes it's a little higher,but you can refinance it later.
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Yeah, and I go.
What is the interest rate?
I'm like, I'm like I've fuckingbeen here for over three hours,
like, let's get to it.
I want to get home.
And he goes okay, we'll have aseat, let me.
Let me run this through.
He goes we only ran you withtwo people.
He goes these these two peopledo most of our business name
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first, loans and one somecompany I never fucking heard on
one's landmark credit union.
He goes.
Landmark approved you but thenwhen I, when I submitted the
final, he goes.
They denied you.
He goes uh, you're delinquenton one of your business forms
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and and they won't approve youuntil that's handled.
It's, it shows up as yourdelinquent.
So that's the good news.
So okay, he goes.
But the other company approvedyou, no problem.
And I said, all right, so nowfor the fourth time, what's my
interest rate?
And he goes, like I said it's alittle high.
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He goes, it's really only goingto cost you about another 50
bucks a month 13.
And I'm like, excuse me, and hegoes, it's 9.5 gross.
And I said when I was 18 yearsold andi bought my first like
car off a dealership and I hadbad credit because of my capital
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, one credit card that I hadmaxed out and hadn't paid for a
year, I said I I didn't pay 9.5percent.
I said so please explain to me.
He goes.
Well, landmark approved you for6.75, but we can't get it to go
through.
Until you get caught up on this, on this document, he goes.
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So you can take the 9.5 and wecan close you out tonight.
I go well, that ain't happening.
And I said I'm gonna leave umor hold on.
I said I said my, my uh loan iswith uh such and such company
right now.
I said I'm just gonna call themand apply over the phone for a
loan.
And I said I'll, I'll deal withmy own financing.
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He goes all right, so I go onthe phone with them.
I'm on the phone with them forover an hour applying for this
like they make it sound likeit's going to be so fucking easy
, like it's going to take fiveminutes.
That guy read me disclaimersthat I had to approve over the
phone yeah for almost 40 minutesjesus well, you know all that
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fine print that you just signyour name at the bottom.
You had to read it he has toread it to you.
Wow, and it is heavy, thickindian accent.
It made no sense.
But uh, he goes through and andI go, well, what's your guys's
normal interest rate right now?
And he's like 6.75.
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And I'm like, okay, so it's thesame as landmark.
And uh, he goes, we're gonna,we're gonna email you in 24 to
48 hours.
And and, uh, let you know ifyou're approved or not.
I'm like, all right, cool.
So I go to Matt, the financemanager, and I go, I go, yeah,
the other place said that, uh,I'm going to be approved, I'll
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get the paperwork tomorrow.
And he goes well, what are theyapproving you at?
And I said 6.1.
So I turned like almost a wholepercent off.
And he goes, I can beat thatwith Landmark.
Okay, he goes, we can do 6.99with landmark.
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And I go, matt, you told me itwas 675 a minute ago, right?
And he goes, I can get it to6.99.
And I'm like, all right, well,we'll talk tomorrow.
He calls me up.
He's like I reran everything.
I just he goes, I just reran it.
I didn't know what to.
You know, I wanted to make sureand I had filed this I had paid
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the state on this little form II was delinquent on and he goes
and it went through.
You're approved at 6.99.
Why don't you come in and getyour car?
And I'm like, all right, I'llhead over there.
So I drive all the way the fuckback down there.
While I'm down there, I'm on onthe phone, I'm handling
business.
This is my business vehicle.
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Right, it's for handlingbusiness, so I'm handling
business.
It's at your fucking desk.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You're ready to work.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I'm getting missed calls like one after another
from numbers I don't know.
I get like three missed callsfrom fucking all three different
weird numbers.
I get off the phone, I pullinto the dealership, I get out,
my salesman tim comes out andmeets me.
He goes.
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I've been trying to get a holdof you this whole last hour.
You've been driving here, hegoes.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I sold your car he goes.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
The battery on your car was a lower than we're
allowed to let it leave the lotat he goes.
So you're going to have to waitfor about an hour and a half
while we charge this battery up.
And I go put a new fuckingbattery in it, Tim.
And he's like we can't put anew battery in it, we have to
charge it.
And I'm like Tim, I got afucking hour.
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If I'm not out of here in anhour, I'm like you, fucking
shred this paperwork.
I'm never coming back here well, it doesn't want you.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Once you, once you, once you start a car off like
jumping, it charges as you drive, the alternator charges the
battery.
So basically, the dealership ontheir checklist.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I get you they cannot .
So he starts.
He starts, I start running allthe paperwork with matt.
We're signing away on this ipad, just signing all this shit,
right, and I'm going through andI I catch them in some more
bullshit.
It was the interior thing andand I go, I do not fucking
accept this.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
That's annoying man.
This is so.
This is so annoying, this I'mlike I do not fucking accept
this.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I we had an agreement on what this was supposed to be
and it's not that and I'm likeI'm not fucking settling for not
having it.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I've never been in a.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Ram truck.
He goes.
Alright, he goes.
Well, okay, it's no big deal.
All I gotta do, he goes.
I gotta go back in the computerand I got to void out
everything you signed and justredo everything.
And he's like trying to guilttrip me into saying no, no, no,
it's fine, and I'm like that'sfine.
He still has 45 minutes ofcharging my battery.
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Back there, I got time, yeah,so I make him redo all the
fucking paperwork and then hegets it all done.
I sign it all up.
They hand me the fucking keys,they hand me some tote bags to
go get the shit out of my carand all that and he goes, he
goes.
I got bad news for you, tony hegoes.
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This thing still needs at leastanother 45 minutes.
So now everything's fuckingdone and and I go.
You didn't think about charginghis battery while you knew I was
fucking coming here today.
You didn't think of charging ityesterday.
You didn't think about chargingit the day I came in and you
were trying to get me to taketest drives in it.
Like you didn't think of any ofthat shit.
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He's like no, I'm sorry, man,he goes here.
Have some more pretzels on me?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
well, wait how fast does the car battery charge when
you drive it?
I mean, I think it chargedfaster than actually like
plugging it in.
I think it does so just drivearound the fucking block like
six times and then read it,register it again, read it again
.
I, I swear that's crazy buying.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Buying a car first off is is equal in price to the
first house.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I ever bought.
I can only imagine what thattruck cost.
I don't even want to know.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
And the most frustrating time of my life.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
You probably got more in incentives off on the truck
than I'm willing to spend on anyvehicle.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Probably any vehicle, probably, probably, yeah,
that's.
I see these commercials on tvand they're like come in now and
get 28 000 worth of dealerincentives.
I'm like, wait, the truck's 28grand.
No, you're getting 28 grand offthe truck.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You know the wild, the wildest thing.
So it's.
This is a ram dodge jeep dealer.
Um, they had a couple.
They had three cars in theirshowroom floor.
They had, uh, one of them, jeepgrand wagoneers oh, those are
cool.
They had a durango hellcat ohneat.
And then they had a wranglerthat had the srt motor in it, so
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like the 390 race car orwhatever so it was like the most
souped up jeep that that theyhave available 140 000.
The jeep was 107 jesus, and I'mlike for a fucking jeep.
Like jeeps are wild pieces ofshit that.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
That's why you get people drop off little birds,
ducks.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Ducks.
So when you flip them in apuddle you can tip them right
side up.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So I got this 2013 Volkswagen Passat or whatever it
is.
It's a decent car.
It's got like 120K or somethingon it.
I figure I could still get fouror five grand for it.
Yeah, easy.
And I want to buy myself like a1980s cutlass, supreme and
drive.
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And I got approval.
I got approval from my wife todowngrade my car to a granny's
garage car.
I gotta find a garage car andit doesn't have to be a cutlass,
it could be any g body.
It doesn't even have to be aCutlass, it could be anything
Any G-Body.
It doesn't even have to beBonnie Carlyle like a Grand
National.
I want a car from the 80s orearlier, maybe early 90s, that
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has less than 80,000 miles on it.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You'll find it, because it's just been sitting.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I mean it could be a fucking whatever Boggleville, oh
dude, anything, Anything.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I like anything, chris, when you said I told the
wife.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I said I'll drive it all summer long and then I'll
just get into another Like.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I like when you said I got approval from and I was
thinking like what bank?
No?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
my wife.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Because, yeah.
I know how it feels.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
This these cars nowadays are fucking.
Like you were saying in thebeginning of this story, they're
fucking trash.
These cars are trash you can'tfix anything on it, you can't
hanker and tanker anything on ityou can't.
Oh, I'll just pull out this airhose because my fucking oxygen
levels are higher whatever it'sbullshit but my heater core went
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out.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
whatever it's bullshit, but my heater core
went out actually like a yearago today, and it got fixed in
spring.
So I went all fucking wintersmelling antifreeze in my car
and it got fixed through theextended warranty when I finally
took it in.
But the part was backordered soI couldn't get it done when I
needed it, needed it, but thatrepair was $7,000.
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Yeah, fuck that I thought,antifreeze smells sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I got an oil change on my car and it takes European
oil and a special filter.
So I had to go to a Valvoline.
How much?
It was like $130 fuckingdollars and it wasn't even what
I've been normally gettinglately with this car.
I gotta go back to thedealership because they give you
the fucking 10 000 mile oil.
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This was just like fivethousand dollar mile five
thousand.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, my wife drives a volkswagen.
They make some good shit andit's great.
It's like.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It's like 80 bucks for an oil change at the dealer
when I bought the car, the guy Ihad a bad battery in it and I
was like dude, the fuckingbattery's dead.
I just want you to know.
All right, I called them afterbecause the car wouldn't start.
Like the second day after I gotit I was like dude, this car
won't start, do?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
you know, like why?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
maybe, like I'm not gonna hold you accountable for
it, I bought it.
It was just from.
A guy gave him cash, you know,like I don't expect anything,
but I'm like I know who he was.
Yeah.
So I was like yo, do you knowwhy this car would have done
this?
And he's like, oh, it's got tobe the battery.
I'm like, well, okay, if that'sall you think it is, I'll just
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go out and get a new battery.
And I was thinking like 80bucks, right, or whatever.
He's like no, no, I feelterrible.
No, I should I.
If I knew it was bad, I wouldhave replaced it because he used
to run a car dealers, whatever.
He's like no, no, I feelterrible.
No, I should I.
If I knew it was bad, I wouldhave replaced it because he used
to run a car dealership.
He's like I, or service centerslash dealership thing.
He's like I would have replacedit.
I didn't know it was bad.
The dates on it looked right tome, but maybe they were wrong.
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Where is the car?
I'll bring a new battery andI'll leave you with the receipt.
And I was like dude, you don'thave to do that.
And he's like I insist, so Ilet him do it.
Obviously he brought.
He came to my work, he pickedup the car, took it to the
dealership, got a batteryinstalled and I got it back and
he's like, thanks.
Or he said I said thanks andwhatever fucking battery dude
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for a car.
Yeah, he's like oh, it'sespecially this battery because
of that with the other thing.
But then I look and they allare like 150, 180 bucks now for
a battery yeah, sure is damn,dude the.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
The price of stuff is outrageous, and and the quality
of goods you're getting hasdiminished to the point of.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So everything is unrepairable so if this car ran,
if this truck would run foranother hundred, two hundred
thousand miles, but it wouldstart to look beat up and stuff
and your interior warranty thingwould have expired, would you
have kept it?
No, so you're the pot fillergeneration.
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As I go back to that reference,today.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, I too many times.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
The popular generation doesn't want things
to last forever.
No, you want to replace it, youwant the new one.
So they're like fuck it.
The only way we can make thisshit happen is if we fucking
skimp out on this, skimp out ofthat, make that out of paper
mache.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So if they sold you a 200,000-mile bumper warranty
and let's just say it was$10,000, okay, or $6,000, or
whatever I mean for the 100%Like 10% more of the car If it
would cost 10% more to get a$200,000 mile warranty.
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I would have 100% kept theother car indefinitely.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So you just like the idea of your shit.
If it breaks, you ain't got topay any extra.
You know what your payment is.
You know where it's at.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, but that's still a pain in the ass because
you got to take it somewhere.
You got to get a fucking car todrive around while you fix your
car.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You don't have to tell me, but how much money did
you lose in three years on yourother truck?
That wasn't even new.
You bought it late model orused yeah, from purchase price
Percentage.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
maybe it'd be better than dollar From purchase price
to what I traded it in, I lostprobably a little over 40% on it
.
Damn dude.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
See, I'll go buy.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
They're going to fix your truck, but I put seven
years worth of miles on it.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
That's not bad, no it is bad.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I put seven years of miles on it in three years.
Because of the high cost ofused cars nowadays.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Because the dollar value was probably gross a
yearly salary and they're gonnasell it for what I see them
selling for at Ram.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Lots.
You still had the front enddamage too, right?
No?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I had no damage it's a different car no, it all got
fixed.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Oh, that was the same vehicle you crashed.
Well, it's your fault.
Then you fuck someone up.
Yeah, but it got fixed?
Well, it doesn't.
It's back to factory.
What when it gets in anaccident?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
so they're gonna sell it for 20 of that no, uh,
they're.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
They're selling for about five to seven thousand
dollars, but the thing is is Ican't find one.
That's my year, that has mymiles on it, everything,
everything that's being sold has80,000 is the next highest one
I can find.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Everyone likes to trade in under a hundred
hundreds of psychological numberyeah.
It's retarded.
I mean it's just psychologicalnumber.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, like something is a dollar 99 when it's yeah, a
dollar, yeah, yep, and,ironically, when I was gonna
trade it in, uh, in may, and Iwas gonna trade it in right
before I got all the shit fixedyou would have got way more for
it then I would have got less ohreally yeah, my the instant
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cash offer was about fivethousand dollars less and I'm
totally honest on the thingslike I I go through that.
They're like is there any damageon the car?
Yes, where's the damage?
Driver door there's a ding,there's a small uh puncture, and
in the back seat there's youknow just some shit that I
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didn't get take taken care ofthere's jays in the front of my
front.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
So do you see yourself in five years doing
this again though?
Yeah, yeah, I see like, oh,fuck that you should start the
process now.
You should just talk to yourguy who knows you now and tell
him look, here's the scoop.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I'm gonna be back here and all I want to do is
sign my name yeah I don't know II feel like every time you go
in, you gotta, you gotta dealwith this shit.
And the thing is is, while theysat me there for like two and a
half hours so this dealershipis a smaller dealership but
there were like seven salespeople there, yeah, and that day
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I sat there for fucking fourhours plus nobody else came in
except one other couple, andthey came in to get their free
car wash pretzels.
No, no it was their.
It was their first meeting withmy salesperson this tim and uh
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uh, they just sent an inquirythat they wanted to look at a
car yeah, but you are, you don't.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You don't understand those guys.
I know well nowadays whatthey're doing is they're online
trying to sell like they're intheir office yeah, working
trying.
They're making deals online.
People don't have like you justsaid.
You did everything on yourfucking computer right, that's.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
That's why I tried to get it all hashed out exactly
like you're not seeing peoplebecause they're buying shit
online, but you know you know,the thing is is this is this is
what I was kind of thinkingabout when I was there, because
this older couple came in, uh,because they inquired about a
car on on some website thatwasn't even theirs, like they
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advertised on that website, andthey got routed a fucking lead
and he followed up with them andthe people came in and they're
like oh yeah, you know, we wantto look at this dodge stratus or
whatever fuck they came in tolook for.
But these people were like intheir late 70s, right, and, uh,
while I was sitting therewaiting for the financing thing
to to fucking go through on me,which I know, in a way they
(35:22):
probably did that to me becauseI was so particular about
everything.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
No, they do that to everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
No, those other people, from the time they
walked into the door until thetime they left with their car,
they, they.
It was like an hour and a halfthey were in and out and I'm
like the shit that they triedpulling over on me and the shit
that they probably did pull overon me that I didn't even catch,
I'm like how how much shit didthese people eat?
(35:50):
They ate shit dude like they'reprobably like oh yeah, nine and
a half percent.
Fuck, yeah, sign me up righthere.
Oh, what are you gonna do?
Yeah, no, I don't want any ofthat here, just just fucking
give me the car for whateverthis is saying that they, uh,
they jack up the apr, but theyalso get like a little cut oh
fuck, yeah, they do.
They make all their money onfinancing and all you hear from
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the real bucks all you hear fromfrom everybody at the fucking
car dealership, over and, overand over and over, we're selling
these vehicles at a loss.
Yeah, yeah, and it's like, oh,really, yeah, because this
building is fucking beautifulpot of wannabe probably loses
money on everybody who walksthrough the door too.
Right, my local indian gamblingestablishment probably loses
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money every time somebody walksthrough that door, like they're
all so full of fucking shit andthey're, they're just, they're,
they're the anticipant.
Go ahead, do it again, go ahead.
They're the reason.
Yeah, I, I hate sales people,just car, just car sales in
(37:02):
general.
Any other salesman I can dealwith, no, they're all the same.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Tony, don't you understand?
You are a salesman every timeyou walk into someone's house
and give them an estimate.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I'm not a salesman Like if the guy from the Dodge
assembly line came to thedealership to show you what car
you should buy.
That's what I am.
I'm not the fucking salespersonwho six months ago, used to
sell humidors and now I'm like,oh, let me try cars, you know.
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And and this is the other thing, dude, I, I fucked around.
While I was negotiating withthis dude, I reached out to a
dealership that's very close tohere.
Yeah, just like if this onedidn't fall through, if this one
fell through, I wanted to beset up somewhere else, and and I
was going back and forth withthem a little bit and I was
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asking them very simplequestions how much is your
extended warranty?
Uh, you need to come in we needto talk about they don't want
to give it.
And I'm like, what the fuck arewe talking about?
Because I have a button on thiscomputer that says that I can
buy this car without even comingthere.
So eventually, somewhere in thepaperwork, it's gonna tell me
(38:15):
how much this is.
Why don't we just cut that shitout?
I think right now I thinkthat's just.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Uh, that's just a gateway, though, but you can't
hit the button.
It doesn't mean you'refinalizing it.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, you can buy a car off.
It's finalized and they'll dropit off at your house.
Yeah right all right, all rightand, uh, and, and their answer
to every fucking question is canyou come in and have a
conversation about this?
No, motherfucker, this is whyI'm emailing you.
You want to?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
try to tell you if I wanted.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
If I wanted to come in and talk to you about this,
that's where I would havestarted, like I'm not fucking
leaving my house, driving a halfhour, coming to have a talk
with you and go.
Okay, now, how much is thewarranty?
Oh, 3995.
Well, why the fuck didn't youtell me right?
Because now I already don'ttrust you, because now you're
fucking doing suspicious shit tome.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
They want to be able to see your reactions and be
like oh no, actually it'snormally that.
But I'll tell you what I likeyou.
But according to them, I couldtell you, with the Bucs jersey
shirt you're wearing, I like theBucs too.
So we're friends.
I'm going to give.
Like the bucks too.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
So we're friends, I'm gonna give it to you.
What do you think about yourhonest this year?
How's he doing?
Is he fucking the highest, thehighest points per game guy
right now?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
the thing is is no matter what you're trying to buy
from them, they're alreadylosing money everything's signed
a lot like oh, we're gonna sellyou this warranty at 3995, but
we don't have any room in itbecause we actually pay 4500 for
it.
We're actually hooking you up.
Well, if you're losing fuckingmoney, why can't you tell me the
price and why are you doing it?
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No, it's so much bullshit I Iwish it would all just go away.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Tony, it's like taxes .
Just give me the, just give methe number on taxes I owe.
Don't fucking give me all theseloopholes to jump through to
find out what I have to pay,just like a car buying a car.
Tell me what I have to pay.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
And then, and then dude, this is, I can't even
imagine being fucking old tryingto go in there with the shit
they pull they fucking bring outa sheet that says that says you
know, msrp, and we're justgoing to use the number $100,000
.
And then they fucking add abunch of shit and then they
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start deducting some shit andthen adding more shit, and then
pre-tax, post-tax, there'sfucking the same numbers in
different lines for differenttimes and they're like no, this
is where it's added, and then wededucted here, but then it has
to get re-added here and that'show you get to that.
Dude.
It's like the fucking worstshell game you've ever fucking
(40:46):
seen with these numbers.
Oh yeah, and and I think a lotof people can relate to this and
anytime you fucking questionthem about it, they start
hitting this big fuckingaccountant's calculator like and
they got to talk to theirmanager.
It's printing as they're doingit, see, the number comes out to
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6433, just like I told you.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Well, that's what this plus this, and I got to
take that off.
Yeah, I get you.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Dude, it's fucking wild that this still exists in
our society of being able toorder everything and having it
delivered to your house the nextday on amazon I guarantee, tony
, you're not the only personthat just went through the same
fucking thing you're talkingabout today.
It's it's so so much morebrutal than just buying a
fucking car from somebody likejust a random, it's.
(41:40):
Yeah, it's so much better.
Well, let's start.
But you cannot buy a fuckingnew car from a random dude on
chris list?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
not really.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
We have to listen to you more often I don't know, I
drive a shitty car if you wantto buy a new car, you have to go
through this, and it's fuckingstupid.
It really is dude.
It's like the the time of mylife that I looked the least
forward to, and one of my bestfriends is, is, or was, in that
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position in a car dealershipselling carselling cars.
Selling cars and he was alsoTaking names.
He was also the finance managerand also the fucking general
manager for the store atdifferent times and sometimes
the same time.
And, dude, when you talk to him, he's like yeah, dude,
(42:36):
everybody hates it.
The people on my end hate it,the people on your end hate it,
the people on your end hate it,everybody hates it.
Yeah, man, that's it fuckingfired up right now.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
He got guy that's why I turn the music.
I'm going to return this truck.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Buy a truck today tell the story about it tomorrow
on top shelf stories and tim,if you listened, fuck you.
Yeah, fuck you Tim.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
You were an all right guy, but I mean Jesus Christ.
That's it, tony?
Is that it?
He pushed the microphonetowards me.
Good night, guys.
Top Shelf Stories with Jay, chris and Tony.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Thanks for joining us this week on another episode of
Top Shelf Stories.
I'm Tony, your host.
I'm here with Jay and Chris.
They're joining me today.
Like always, tony, we're goingto talk about possibly the most
miserable experience you couldhave in your life Chiropractic
work, massages.
Buying a vehicle from a dealer.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You can never go into a dealer without spending five
hours before you actually leavethe dealer with the vehicle.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Does anybody in this world go to a dealership without
getting totally fucked?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I don't know.
I feel like I got a pretty gooddeal on my machine.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Did they just explain to you that you got a good deal
, or do you truly feel that way?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I felt like I got a good deal, but they also were
like that's it, that's all we'regoing to do you.
It was the end.
There was a point where I waslike come on more.
And they're like nah.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You're not gonna feel like you won here, but I did
feel like I always get fuckedwith the factory installed, or
factory uh, off the factory line, the um.
What is it like for the fabric,the 10 years?
The interior protection yeah,that shit, like I didn't ask for
it.
It's two thousand dollars.
I didn't ask for it, but youcan't get rid of it because it
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came from the factory.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It doesn't come from the factory.
That's a secondary.
That's a secondary company.
Um, I will not buy a vehiclewithout it my car came as this.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It wasn't brand new, but it was from a dealership and
it was the first time I hadbought a car at a dealership.
I'd never done it before and Idon't I don't think I'm ever
gonna do it, would you buy?
It was from a dealership and itwas the first time I had bought
a car at a dealership.
I had never done it before.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I don't think I'm ever going to do it again.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Would you buy it online From somebody?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
else it was a lot easier when you could just go on
Craigslist and be like, oh,this dude's selling an F-150 for
$3,200, and then you just sendhim a message that says I'll
give you $1,200 cash.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, now you got a pot filler, so you feel like you
got to go to the dealership andget a brand new truck.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, you can't buy new trucks, why do you need a
new truck?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Untested untoward, but go on with your story.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Was the truck for work or is it for home use?
It's work.
It's the truck that's outside.
You bought a new truck.
Yeah, you did.
Bought a new truck.
Yeah, you did.
Yeah, for, uh, I thought youhad a fucking nice new nissan,
or what was it?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
a ram?
Oh, that's not nissan, no, butuh, no, no, no, I bought the
same truck I had you bought tworams.
Yeah, you got two ramps no, Igave them one which they totally
fucked me over on, and then Ibought this new one that they
also totally fucked me over on,and there's no way around it,
like if you're going to buysomething new, like there's no
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negotiating anymore, there's nofucking standing your ground.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I was always told to buy a car vehicle one or two
years older just because, onceyou drive away from the lot, it
loses a thousand dollars, twothousand dollars well, it loses
substantially more than that,yeah, but so so here's here's my
thing.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
right is that I drive .
I drive probably a little bitmore than double the average
person, probably more than that,and so my truck was three years
old and I traded it in with$101,000.
And the thing is is thingsaren't really like made to last
(04:01):
anymore.
Everything's fucking plastic andpaper mache on these things for
real like nothing's solid,nothing's like hard steel,
nothing you know like all thepot filler folks, want new ones
exactly but you know, like backin the day you bought, you know
you bought a 1993 f-150 oh man,with the five speed stick in it,
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one of the best trucks ever soso back, I used to work at an
oil change center and this was,uh god, 19, 1996, so 1996.
People were bringing in theirtrucks and we had to, we had to
grease all the fittingsunderneath them and and there
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was, uh, in a like primitivecomputer system, there was a
thing you would type in a number, or you would type in what car
it was, or the license plate ifthey had been there before, and
it would tell you all the circ,fittings and everything under
there there's 16 fittings.
There's 32 fittings you knowsome of them had.
You know 20 plus some of themhad 15 um and we noticed that
(05:13):
when people were bringing in1996 cars they had like two and
then the transmission.
We couldn't check thetransmission fluid or the
differential fluid anymore.
That was all sealed.
Everything, like everything onthem, is sealed and disposable.
So now the thoughts of you knowthat 1979 f100 you had lasting
(05:37):
for 300 000 miles, getting alittle bit of rust on it but
still being a great truck Likethose days, are fucking over.
Everything's made the last like80,000 miles and then you got
to start replacing shit and at90,000 miles I started having
pretty big issues with with mytruck and it was still covered
(05:59):
under the extended warranty thateverybody says you shouldn't
buy, that I will never own a carwithout one um and and I got
everything fixed.
But you know the writing's onthe wall.
It had a hundred thousand mileson it.
All my ball joints werestarting to clunk like the
steering's getting loose, thefucking everything's
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everything's needing to be fixedon it.
And I've had lots.
I've had every major truckmakers vehicles over the last 10
years and they're they're allthe fucking same.
Yeah, you can push them out to200 000 miles, but there's going
to be a lot of shit in themiddle of there that you got to
(06:42):
do so at this point.
I mean, it's for my business.
It represents me and my companywhen I go to people's houses.
What about?
I'm sorry.
I'm not trying to be brokendown.
I'm not trying to have my heatnot blowing hot air.
I'm not trying to fucking surewhat about leasing piece of shit
what about?
I put too many miles on it ohyeah, you're right, because yeah
(07:05):
they cap it off, sure, and then, and then they want you to
return it in kind of the goodshape yeah, yeah and you got,
you got fucking dense and my, myshit does not get returned in
good shape.
So the interior protection whichI used all throughout the three
years I had it, uh, theyfucking fixed everything on it
(07:25):
and it actually looked like areally nice truck.
But I, I've had seats repaired,I've had a seat replaced, I've
had fucking uh stuff shampooedback to normal, I've had, uh,
worn armrests changed out likethey actually take care of.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
How much does that cost, like a warranty, like that
.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So um, on my last, on my last truck, I paid a
thousand for it huh thousand forthe whole thing, for the whole,
the whole interior protection.
Wow, that's not.
And uh, they cut me a check for850 for the door dings to be
repaired and they replaced theseat and, uh, got stains out of
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another seat carpet and fix somescratches.
Like they, they fucking losemoney on me as a customer.
Sure, sure, on this one I paid$800 for it, but they tried
sneaking in a fast one on me.
We agreed over the internet,through emails, that it was
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going to be $800, and it wasgoing to be the same coverage
that I had on my truck.
And I was very specific in whatI wanted, because the place I
went and bought it from was anhour away.
Like I don't want to makemultiple trips, I don't want to
start this whole fuckingnegotiation process.
Like I want I want everythingto be very clear and settled by
(09:02):
the time I get in there, becauseI already know that if
everything's hashed out to thepoint where I got to walk in and
sign paperwork it's still goingto take four hours.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So you couldn't find anything closer.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
No, because you have to go to Lens for a truck.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
No, well, nobody.
Only one place had the sameblue one I had, and I really
just wanted everything thefucking same you're talking
about your personal.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But again, business fee it's not your business.
I thought you're talking aboutyour actual business, big ram.
No, that's a ram too, right?
Yeah, oh, I thought that's okay, that's what you know, my blue
truck okay, you got a new bluetruck.
Yeah, why you gotta get blue?
What's with you in blue?
I liked it.
You trying to copy me with mytattoos, like my blue arm you're
(09:55):
multi-colored fucking.
Pastel colored arm motherfuckerit's mostly blue, yeah, okay
but uh, they try.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You know 800 bucks.
He's putting a fuckingpaperwork in front of me and I
notice it said interiorprotection.
I go what does this cover?
Because you showed me a list aminute ago that said it covers
dense things, repairs, blah,blah, blah.
And he's like oh no, no, no, no, this one doesn't cover that.
This one's just the inside.
(10:25):
You got to buy the other onealso.
For that I said no.
I said in my emails I was very,very clear about what I wanted
and you quoted it out.
Based on that, I said I didn'tjust tell you a like a name,
brand or something.
I I listed all the things Ineeded to cover and this is what
you told me it was.
So he knocked off like 1400bucks on that.
(10:49):
But here, here's the kicker.
This is what they fucking do tome, right, because I'm kind of
an asshole ahead of time, so Idon't gotta be when I'm there.
I explained to him I don't needthis truck.
Okay, this, I'm here because Ilike this color truck and it's
the same one I have now, but I'mnot opposed to going somewhere
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else and getting a white one.
They're all the same price.
There, no price differences.
It's not like.
This same truck is eightthousand dollars cheaper.
Over here everybody is on likea no, no negotiation policy.
It's this is the price andthat's it really.
Yep, when it comes to new, used, you can probably still like
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get a couple grand off if youneeded to, or you know they can
overprice something, but this is, it's like fucking.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
all the prices are set by fucking dodge, yeah, I
gotcha and, and this is what itis, if you want this truck now
so tony's gotta get a new truckevery year, just like I get a
new phone yep, basically, yeah,basically, I'm set up with ram
the same way you're set up withApple.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But so I hash all this shit out and I'm very, very
clear.
I ask them what's the currentinterest rate?
And they said, well, it's afinancing special, right now
(12:22):
4.9%.
Said, well, consideringinterest is like 7% right now.
It's not too bad.
But I go, I go through all theshit with them and I'm like I'm
like this is a done deal withthese extra items, assuming I
still qualify for this 4.9.
You go all right, so I go inand then they fucking lay the
sheets in front of me this iswhat it is if you take the
incentives.
This is what it is if you takethe 4.9.
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And I said, no, I'm like weclearly agreed on both, like
this truck with the incentives,and 4.9 is oh no, we can't do no
like oh no, dodge dodge willshut down our dealership if we
offer you both of these items,sure?
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So I go through and I go allright.
Well, now I'm just gonna applyfor financing with you and
you're gonna tell me what it is.
And I said, if it's, if it'snot fucking where I need it to
be, I'm going to leave becauseI'm not paying like crazy
interest on something because Idon't even really need it.
I can wait for the inaugurationand wait for these fucking
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interest rates to start droppinglike crazy and I can deal with
it then because I still havetime on my extended warranty.
I don't fucking need this.
So the guy goes all right, we'llfill it out and then I write
down.
I put my business name as thepurchaser and he's like oh, this
is going to be under a businessloan, so sure is, I have five
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cars that are under thebusiness's name.
Like this has never been anissue.
He's like oh well, just so youknow, interest rates for a
business are very different thaninterest rates for an
individual.
And I said, okay, well, let'ssee what you come back with and
change it to the individualmotherfucker.
So now I'm an hour in and nowI've just renegotiated
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everything that I've alreadyfucking dealt with over the
fucking computer and I'm getting.
I'm getting a little irritated.
And the salesman, he's got freemountain dew he's still.
They just had water and fuckingpretzels.
So, and now the salesman'strying to fucking pull this shit
on me.
He's like well, you know, youhaven't driven it yet.
Let me get you in this truck soyou can fall in love.
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And I go, I go, tim, with alldue respect, it's always gonna
look at what the fuck I showedup in.
It's the same fuck I'm likeit's the same goddamn truck.
I said I don't need to drivethis truck.
I said the first time I driveit is when I own it.
I'm like I do not fucking needto take a test drive the same
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truck.
I came here.
What's the year?
difference again three well, no,that's not true, five model
years, but three calendar years,because I bought.
I bought my truck at the end of21 and it was a brand new 2020.
And now I'm buying one at theend of 24 that's a 2025.
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So he's pulling all thisfucking salesman bullshit on me
and I'm like look, all all thisshit was worked out before I
came in.
Yeah, like now, you're notprepared for me.
This is the fucking problem,right?
So I fell out the financingpaperwork.
He's like oh, I gotta hand thisoff to matt over in financing.
So the next person you'll hearfrom is him like, all right.
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He's like yeah, I have a seathere.
Feel free to go get yourself abag of pretzels or a water, like
beautiful.
So now I'm sitting on facebookscrolling around and fucking.
Two and a half hours goes by,jesus christ.
And and the fucking financingguy is like oh, mr cavanaugh, I
(16:02):
got great news for you and I'mlike
oh, great news.
Huh, he goes.
Yeah, we got you almost done,I'll be back in an hour.
He goes, I got you approved.
And I'm like, okay, great,what's my interest rate?
He goes it's a little higher,but you can refinance it later.
(16:23):
Yeah, and I go.
What is the interest rate?
I'm like, I'm like I've fuckingbeen here for over three hours,
like, let's get to it.
I want to get home.
And he goes okay, we'll have aseat, let me.
Let me run this through.
He goes we only ran you withtwo people.
He goes these these two peopledo most of our business name
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first, loans and one somecompany I never fucking heard on
one's landmark credit union.
He goes.
Landmark approved you but thenwhen I, when I submitted the
final, he goes.
They denied you.
He goes uh, you're delinquenton one of your business forms
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and and they won't approve youuntil that's handled.
It's, it shows up as yourdelinquent.
So that's the good news.
So okay, he goes.
But the other company approvedyou, no problem.
And I said, all right, so nowfor the fourth time, what's my
interest rate?
And he goes, like I said it's alittle high.
(17:28):
He goes, it's really only goingto cost you about another 50
bucks a month 13.
And I'm like, excuse me, and hegoes, it's 9.5 gross.
And I said when I was 18 yearsold andi bought my first like
car off a dealership and I hadbad credit because of my capital
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, one credit card that I hadmaxed out and hadn't paid for a
year, I said I I didn't pay 9.5percent.
I said so please explain to me.
He goes.
Well, landmark approved you for6.75, but we can't get it to go
through.
Until you get caught up on this, on this document, he goes.
(18:10):
So you can take the 9.5 and wecan close you out tonight.
I go well, that ain't happening.
And I said I'm gonna leave umor hold on.
I said I said my, my uh loan iswith uh such and such company
right now.
I said I'm just gonna call themand apply over the phone for a
loan.
And I said I'll, I'll deal withmy own financing.
(18:31):
He goes all right, so I go onthe phone with them.
I'm on the phone with them forover an hour applying for this
like they make it sound likeit's going to be so fucking easy
, like it's going to take fiveminutes.
That guy read me disclaimersthat I had to approve over the
phone yeah for almost 40 minutesjesus well, you know all that
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fine print that you just signyour name at the bottom.
You had to read it he has toread it to you.
Wow, and it is heavy, thickindian accent.
It made no sense.
But uh, he goes through and andI go, well, what's your guys's
normal interest rate right now?
And he's like 6.75.
(19:14):
And I'm like, okay, so it's thesame as landmark.
And uh, he goes, we're gonna,we're gonna email you in 24 to
48 hours.
And and, uh, let you know ifyou're approved or not.
I'm like, all right, cool.
So I go to Matt, the financemanager, and I go, I go, yeah,
the other place said that, uh,I'm going to be approved, I'll
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get the paperwork tomorrow.
And he goes well, what are theyapproving you at?
And I said 6.1.
So I turned like almost a wholepercent off.
And he goes, I can beat thatwith Landmark.
Okay, he goes, we can do 6.99with landmark.
(19:57):
And I go, matt, you told me itwas 675 a minute ago, right?
And he goes, I can get it to6.99.
And I'm like, all right, well,we'll talk tomorrow.
He calls me up.
He's like I reran everything.
I just he goes, I just reran it.
I didn't know what to.
You know, I wanted to make sureand I had filed this I had paid
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the state on this little form II was delinquent on and he goes
and it went through.
You're approved at 6.99.
Why don't you come in and getyour car?
And I'm like, all right, I'llhead over there.
So I drive all the way the fuckback down there.
While I'm down there, I'm on onthe phone, I'm handling
business.
This is my business vehicle.
(20:41):
Right, it's for handlingbusiness, so I'm handling
business.
It's at your fucking desk.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You're ready to work.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I'm getting missed calls like one after another
from numbers I don't know.
I get like three missed callsfrom fucking all three different
weird numbers.
I get off the phone, I pullinto the dealership, I get out,
my salesman tim comes out andmeets me.
He goes.
(21:08):
I've been trying to get a holdof you this whole last hour.
You've been driving here, hegoes.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I sold your car he goes.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
The battery on your car was a lower than we're
allowed to let it leave the lotat he goes.
So you're going to have to waitfor about an hour and a half
while we charge this battery up.
And I go put a new fuckingbattery in it, Tim.
And he's like we can't put anew battery in it, we have to
charge it.
And I'm like Tim, I got afucking hour.
(21:38):
If I'm not out of here in anhour, I'm like you, fucking
shred this paperwork.
I'm never coming back here well, it doesn't want you.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Once you, once you, once you start a car off like
jumping, it charges as you drive, the alternator charges the
battery.
So basically, the dealership ontheir checklist.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I get you they cannot .
So he starts.
He starts, I start running allthe paperwork with matt.
We're signing away on this ipad, just signing all this shit,
right, and I'm going through andI I catch them in some more
bullshit.
It was the interior thing andand I go, I do not fucking
accept this.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
That's annoying man.
This is so.
This is so annoying, this I'mlike I do not fucking accept
this.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I we had an agreement on what this was supposed to be
and it's not that and I'm likeI'm not fucking settling for not
having it.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I've never been in a.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Ram truck.
He goes.
Alright, he goes.
Well, okay, it's no big deal.
All I gotta do, he goes.
I gotta go back in the computerand I got to void out
everything you signed and justredo everything.
And he's like trying to guilttrip me into saying no, no, no,
it's fine, and I'm like that'sfine.
He still has 45 minutes ofcharging my battery.
(22:47):
Back there, I got time, yeah,so I make him redo all the
fucking paperwork and then hegets it all done.
I sign it all up.
They hand me the fucking keys,they hand me some tote bags to
go get the shit out of my carand all that and he goes, he
goes.
I got bad news for you, tony hegoes.
(23:07):
This thing still needs at leastanother 45 minutes.
So now everything's fuckingdone and and I go.
You didn't think about charginghis battery while you knew I was
fucking coming here today.
You didn't think of charging ityesterday.
You didn't think about chargingit the day I came in and you
were trying to get me to taketest drives in it.
Like you didn't think of any ofthat shit.
(23:29):
He's like no, I'm sorry, man,he goes here.
Have some more pretzels on me?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
well, wait how fast does the car battery charge when
you drive it?
I mean, I think it chargedfaster than actually like
plugging it in.
I think it does so just drivearound the fucking block like
six times and then read it,register it again, read it again
.
I, I swear that's crazy buying.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Buying a car first off is is equal in price to the
first house.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I ever bought.
I can only imagine what thattruck cost.
I don't even want to know.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
And the most frustrating time of my life.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
You probably got more in incentives off on the truck
than I'm willing to spend on anyvehicle.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Probably any vehicle, probably, probably, yeah,
that's.
I see these commercials on tvand they're like come in now and
get 28 000 worth of dealerincentives.
I'm like, wait, the truck's 28grand.
No, you're getting 28 grand offthe truck.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You know the wild, the wildest thing.
So it's.
This is a ram dodge jeep dealer.
Um, they had a couple.
They had three cars in theirshowroom floor.
They had, uh, one of them, jeepgrand wagoneers oh, those are
cool.
They had a durango hellcat ohneat.
And then they had a wranglerthat had the srt motor in it, so
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like the 390 race car orwhatever so it was like the most
souped up jeep that that theyhave available 140 000.
The jeep was 107 jesus, and I'mlike for a fucking jeep.
Like jeeps are wild pieces ofshit that.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
That's why you get people drop off little birds,
ducks.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Ducks.
So when you flip them in apuddle you can tip them right
side up.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So I got this 2013 Volkswagen Passat or whatever it
is.
It's a decent car.
It's got like 120K or somethingon it.
I figure I could still get fouror five grand for it.
Yeah, easy.
And I want to buy myself like a1980s cutlass, supreme and
drive.
(25:45):
And I got approval.
I got approval from my wife todowngrade my car to a granny's
garage car.
I gotta find a garage car andit doesn't have to be a cutlass,
it could be any g body.
It doesn't even have to be aCutlass, it could be anything
Any G-Body.
It doesn't even have to beBonnie Carlyle like a Grand
National.
I want a car from the 80s orearlier, maybe early 90s, that
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has less than 80,000 miles on it.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You'll find it, because it's just been sitting.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I mean it could be a fucking whatever Boggleville, oh
dude, anything, Anything.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I like anything, chris, when you said I told the
wife.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I said I'll drive it all summer long and then I'll
just get into another Like.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I like when you said I got approval from and I was
thinking like what bank?
No?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
my wife.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Because, yeah.
I know how it feels.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
This these cars nowadays are fucking.
Like you were saying in thebeginning of this story, they're
fucking trash.
These cars are trash you can'tfix anything on it, you can't
hanker and tanker anything on ityou can't.
Oh, I'll just pull out this airhose because my fucking oxygen
levels are higher whatever it'sbullshit but my heater core went
(26:56):
out.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
whatever it's bullshit, but my heater core
went out actually like a yearago today, and it got fixed in
spring.
So I went all fucking wintersmelling antifreeze in my car
and it got fixed through theextended warranty when I finally
took it in.
But the part was backordered soI couldn't get it done when I
needed it, needed it, but thatrepair was $7,000.
(27:20):
Yeah, fuck that I thought,antifreeze smells sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I got an oil change on my car and it takes European
oil and a special filter.
So I had to go to a Valvoline.
How much?
It was like $130 fuckingdollars and it wasn't even what
I've been normally gettinglately with this car.
I gotta go back to thedealership because they give you
the fucking 10 000 mile oil.
(27:43):
This was just like fivethousand dollar mile five
thousand.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, my wife drives a volkswagen.
They make some good shit andit's great.
It's like.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It's like 80 bucks for an oil change at the dealer
when I bought the car, the guy Ihad a bad battery in it and I
was like dude, the fuckingbattery's dead.
I just want you to know.
All right, I called them afterbecause the car wouldn't start.
Like the second day after I gotit I was like dude, this car
won't start, do?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
you know, like why?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
maybe, like I'm not gonna hold you accountable for
it, I bought it.
It was just from.
A guy gave him cash, you know,like I don't expect anything,
but I'm like I know who he was.
Yeah.
So I was like yo, do you knowwhy this car would have done
this?
And he's like, oh, it's got tobe the battery.
I'm like, well, okay, if that'sall you think it is, I'll just
(28:30):
go out and get a new battery.
And I was thinking like 80bucks, right, or whatever.
He's like no, no, I feelterrible.
No, I should I.
If I knew it was bad, I wouldhave replaced it because he used
to run a car dealers, whatever.
He's like no, no, I feelterrible.
No, I should I.
If I knew it was bad, I wouldhave replaced it because he used
to run a car dealership.
He's like I, or service centerslash dealership thing.
He's like I would have replacedit.
I didn't know it was bad.
The dates on it looked right tome, but maybe they were wrong.
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Where is the car?
I'll bring a new battery andI'll leave you with the receipt.
And I was like dude, you don'thave to do that.
And he's like I insist, so Ilet him do it.
Obviously he brought.
He came to my work, he pickedup the car, took it to the
dealership, got a batteryinstalled and I got it back and
he's like, thanks.
Or he said I said thanks andwhatever fucking battery dude
(29:14):
for a car.
Yeah, he's like oh, it'sespecially this battery because
of that with the other thing.
But then I look and they allare like 150, 180 bucks now for
a battery yeah, sure is damn,dude the.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
The price of stuff is outrageous, and and the quality
of goods you're getting hasdiminished to the point of.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So everything is unrepairable so if this car ran,
if this truck would run foranother hundred, two hundred
thousand miles, but it wouldstart to look beat up and stuff
and your interior warranty thingwould have expired, would you
have kept it?
No, so you're the pot fillergeneration.
(29:57):
As I go back to that reference,today.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, I too many times.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
The popular generation doesn't want things
to last forever.
No, you want to replace it, youwant the new one.
So they're like fuck it.
The only way we can make thisshit happen is if we fucking
skimp out on this, skimp out ofthat, make that out of paper
mache.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So if they sold you a 200,000-mile bumper warranty
and let's just say it was$10,000, okay, or $6,000, or
whatever I mean for the 100%Like 10% more of the car If it
would cost 10% more to get a$200,000 mile warranty.
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I would have 100% kept theother car indefinitely.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So you just like the idea of your shit.
If it breaks, you ain't got topay any extra.
You know what your payment is.
You know where it's at.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, but that's still a pain in the ass because
you got to take it somewhere.
You got to get a fucking car todrive around while you fix your
car.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You don't have to tell me, but how much money did
you lose in three years on yourother truck?
That wasn't even new.
You bought it late model orused yeah, from purchase price
Percentage.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
maybe it'd be better than dollar From purchase price
to what I traded it in, I lostprobably a little over 40% on it
.
Damn dude.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
See, I'll go buy.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
They're going to fix your truck, but I put seven
years worth of miles on it.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
That's not bad, no it is bad.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I put seven years of miles on it in three years.
Because of the high cost ofused cars nowadays.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Because the dollar value was probably gross a
yearly salary and they're gonnasell it for what I see them
selling for at Ram.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Lots.
You still had the front enddamage too, right?
No?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I had no damage it's a different car no, it all got
fixed.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Oh, that was the same vehicle you crashed.
Well, it's your fault.
Then you fuck someone up.
Yeah, but it got fixed?
Well, it doesn't.
It's back to factory.
What when it gets in anaccident?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
so they're gonna sell it for 20 of that no, uh,
they're.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
They're selling for about five to seven thousand
dollars, but the thing is is Ican't find one.
That's my year, that has mymiles on it, everything,
everything that's being sold has80,000 is the next highest one
I can find.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Everyone likes to trade in under a hundred
hundreds of psychological numberyeah.
It's retarded.
I mean it's just psychologicalnumber.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, like something is a dollar 99 when it's yeah, a
dollar, yeah, yep, and,ironically, when I was gonna
trade it in, uh, in may, and Iwas gonna trade it in right
before I got all the shit fixedyou would have got way more for
it then I would have got less ohreally yeah, my the instant
(32:56):
cash offer was about fivethousand dollars less and I'm
totally honest on the thingslike I I go through that.
They're like is there any damageon the car?
Yes, where's the damage?
Driver door there's a ding,there's a small uh puncture, and
in the back seat there's youknow just some shit that I
(33:17):
didn't get take taken care ofthere's jays in the front of my
front.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
So do you see yourself in five years doing
this again though?
Yeah, yeah, I see like, oh,fuck that you should start the
process now.
You should just talk to yourguy who knows you now and tell
him look, here's the scoop.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I'm gonna be back here and all I want to do is
sign my name yeah I don't know II feel like every time you go
in, you gotta, you gotta dealwith this shit.
And the thing is is, while theysat me there for like two and a
half hours so this dealershipis a smaller dealership but
there were like seven salespeople there, yeah, and that day
(33:56):
I sat there for fucking fourhours plus nobody else came in
except one other couple, andthey came in to get their free
car wash pretzels.
No, no it was their.
It was their first meeting withmy salesperson this tim and uh
(34:16):
uh, they just sent an inquirythat they wanted to look at a
car yeah, but you are, you don't.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You don't understand those guys.
I know well nowadays whatthey're doing is they're online
trying to sell like they're intheir office yeah, working
trying.
They're making deals online.
People don't have like you justsaid.
You did everything on yourfucking computer right, that's.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
That's why I tried to get it all hashed out exactly
like you're not seeing peoplebecause they're buying shit
online, but you know you know,the thing is is this is this is
what I was kind of thinkingabout when I was there, because
this older couple came in, uh,because they inquired about a
car on on some website thatwasn't even theirs, like they
(34:58):
advertised on that website, andthey got routed a fucking lead
and he followed up with them andthe people came in and they're
like oh yeah, you know, we wantto look at this dodge stratus or
whatever fuck they came in tolook for.
But these people were like intheir late 70s, right, and, uh,
while I was sitting therewaiting for the financing thing
to to fucking go through on me,which I know, in a way they
(35:22):
probably did that to me becauseI was so particular about
everything.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
No, they do that to everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
No, those other people, from the time they
walked into the door until thetime they left with their car,
they, they.
It was like an hour and a halfthey were in and out and I'm
like the shit that they triedpulling over on me and the shit
that they probably did pull overon me that I didn't even catch,
I'm like how how much shit didthese people eat?
(35:50):
They ate shit dude like they'reprobably like oh yeah, nine and
a half percent.
Fuck, yeah, sign me up righthere.
Oh, what are you gonna do?
Yeah, no, I don't want any ofthat here, just just fucking
give me the car for whateverthis is saying that they, uh,
they jack up the apr, but theyalso get like a little cut oh
fuck, yeah, they do.
They make all their money onfinancing and all you hear from
(36:13):
the real bucks all you hear fromfrom everybody at the fucking
car dealership, over and, overand over and over, we're selling
these vehicles at a loss.
Yeah, yeah, and it's like, oh,really, yeah, because this
building is fucking beautifulpot of wannabe probably loses
money on everybody who walksthrough the door too.
Right, my local indian gamblingestablishment probably loses
(36:39):
money every time somebody walksthrough that door, like they're
all so full of fucking shit andthey're, they're just, they're,
they're the anticipant.
Go ahead, do it again, go ahead.
They're the reason.
Yeah, I, I hate sales people,just car, just car sales in
(37:02):
general.
Any other salesman I can dealwith, no, they're all the same.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Tony, don't you understand?
You are a salesman every timeyou walk into someone's house
and give them an estimate.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I'm not a salesman Like if the guy from the Dodge
assembly line came to thedealership to show you what car
you should buy.
That's what I am.
I'm not the fucking salespersonwho six months ago, used to
sell humidors and now I'm like,oh, let me try cars, you know.
(37:30):
And and this is the other thing, dude, I, I fucked around.
While I was negotiating withthis dude, I reached out to a
dealership that's very close tohere.
Yeah, just like if this onedidn't fall through, if this one
fell through, I wanted to beset up somewhere else, and and I
was going back and forth withthem a little bit and I was
(37:52):
asking them very simplequestions how much is your
extended warranty?
Uh, you need to come in we needto talk about they don't want
to give it.
And I'm like, what the fuck arewe talking about?
Because I have a button on thiscomputer that says that I can
buy this car without even comingthere.
So eventually, somewhere in thepaperwork, it's gonna tell me
(38:15):
how much this is.
Why don't we just cut that shitout?
I think right now I thinkthat's just.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Uh, that's just a gateway, though, but you can't
hit the button.
It doesn't mean you'refinalizing it.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, you can buy a car off.
It's finalized and they'll dropit off at your house.
Yeah right all right, all rightand, uh, and, and their answer
to every fucking question is canyou come in and have a
conversation about this?
No, motherfucker, this is whyI'm emailing you.
You want to?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
try to tell you if I wanted.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
If I wanted to come in and talk to you about this,
that's where I would havestarted, like I'm not fucking
leaving my house, driving a halfhour, coming to have a talk
with you and go.
Okay, now, how much is thewarranty?
Oh, 3995.
Well, why the fuck didn't youtell me right?
Because now I already don'ttrust you, because now you're
fucking doing suspicious shit tome.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
They want to be able to see your reactions and be
like oh no, actually it'snormally that.
But I'll tell you what I likeyou.
But according to them, I couldtell you, with the Bucs jersey
shirt you're wearing, I like theBucs too.
So we're friends.
I'm going to give.
Like the bucks too.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
So we're friends, I'm gonna give it to you.
What do you think about yourhonest this year?
How's he doing?
Is he fucking the highest, thehighest points per game guy
right now?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
the thing is is no matter what you're trying to buy
from them, they're alreadylosing money everything's signed
a lot like oh, we're gonna sellyou this warranty at 3995, but
we don't have any room in itbecause we actually pay 4500 for
it.
We're actually hooking you up.
Well, if you're losing fuckingmoney, why can't you tell me the
price and why are you doing it?
(39:44):
No, it's so much bullshit I Iwish it would all just go away.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Tony, it's like taxes .
Just give me the, just give methe number on taxes I owe.
Don't fucking give me all theseloopholes to jump through to
find out what I have to pay,just like a car buying a car.
Tell me what I have to pay.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
And then, and then dude, this is, I can't even
imagine being fucking old tryingto go in there with the shit
they pull they fucking bring outa sheet that says that says you
know, msrp, and we're justgoing to use the number $100,000
.
And then they fucking add abunch of shit and then they
(40:23):
start deducting some shit andthen adding more shit, and then
pre-tax, post-tax, there'sfucking the same numbers in
different lines for differenttimes and they're like no, this
is where it's added, and then wededucted here, but then it has
to get re-added here and that'show you get to that.
Dude.
It's like the fucking worstshell game you've ever fucking
(40:46):
seen with these numbers.
Oh yeah, and and I think a lotof people can relate to this and
anytime you fucking questionthem about it, they start
hitting this big fuckingaccountant's calculator like and
they got to talk to theirmanager.
It's printing as they're doingit, see, the number comes out to
(41:09):
6433, just like I told you.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Well, that's what this plus this, and I got to
take that off.
Yeah, I get you.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Dude, it's fucking wild that this still exists in
our society of being able toorder everything and having it
delivered to your house the nextday on amazon I guarantee, tony
, you're not the only personthat just went through the same
fucking thing you're talkingabout today.
It's it's so so much morebrutal than just buying a
fucking car from somebody likejust a random, it's.
(41:40):
Yeah, it's so much better.
Well, let's start.
But you cannot buy a fuckingnew car from a random dude on
chris list?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
not really.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
We have to listen to you more often I don't know, I
drive a shitty car if you wantto buy a new car, you have to go
through this, and it's fuckingstupid.
It really is dude.
It's like the the time of mylife that I looked the least
forward to, and one of my bestfriends is, is, or was, in that
(42:14):
position in a car dealershipselling carselling cars.
Selling cars and he was alsoTaking names.
He was also the finance managerand also the fucking general
manager for the store atdifferent times and sometimes
the same time.
And, dude, when you talk to him, he's like yeah, dude,
(42:36):
everybody hates it.
The people on my end hate it,the people on your end hate it,
the people on your end hate it,everybody hates it.
Yeah, man, that's it fuckingfired up right now.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
He got guy that's why I turn the music.
I'm going to return this truck.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Buy a truck today tell the story about it tomorrow
on top shelf stories and tim,if you listened, fuck you.
Yeah, fuck you Tim.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
You were an all right guy, but I mean Jesus Christ.
That's it, tony?
Is that it?
He pushed the microphonetowards me.
Good night, guys.
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