''THE UFO TRUTH EMBARGO IS FINISHED" FT. STEVEN BASSETT

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Confirms. All right, thank you for being absolutely all right.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
So welcome back to Total Disclosures coverage of Contact in
the Desert twenty twenty five event Horizon.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Fun for me, this is actually my first UFO conference.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I did plenty of con cons when I was.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
In the Hollywood world. It's a little different, you know.
It's weird for me, you know, seeing.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
All the people that I interacted with or watched or
idolized in a certain way, you know, being in the
same room with such great minds like Stephen Bassett, who
are sitting down with today.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Who's You've been in the game so long that the
game is I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's if you live.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
If you sit by the river long enough, you will
see the body flowing by. In this case, we're talking
about disclosure.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
If I sit by the river long enough, I will
see disclosure flowing down the river.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
By the way, So before this, you did comic cons.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yes, well those things were like ten times bigger than that.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh yeah, okay, so this was because okay, well I
never did it like a media training, like like interview
after interview after interview after interview. So this is the
first time I ever did that, or it was on
stage introducing people.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
So that was the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I've ever introduced anyone on stage.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I got he was there, you know, I was shaking
before it was Yeah, I got all.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
None of this was under one. Never been to one.
I think there was one in New York recently. I
happened to be there at the same time and there
were some people in Cosplay on the subway and they
said there was like two hundred thousand people there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, We're still got a ways to go before we
compete with cosplay and Comic Con.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
It's all right, that's all right, Well we'll take a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
And contact's a good spot. It's like minded people all
time together, you know, owly ideas, but also what the
next play is going to be.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
And speaking of that, with all these whistleblowers like you.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Know, doctor Gregory Rodgers from NASA, Matthew Brown coming from
uh you know that Maculate Consolation which we were at
that hearing with with where that document was entered into
Congressional record. You know, since all since the last hearings
in November, what what's the next stage is in you know,

(02:29):
having another hearing? I know there was supposed to be
one and then it was canceled last minute.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Do you know what happened there?

Speaker 4 (02:37):
I have secondhand information about that. But to get that
to something earlier you said, you know, I think it
was a gladys Knight song. I'm not sure anyway, it's
a reigning witnesses hallelujah, all right. I mean, they're they're
trying to go faster than I think we can actually
kind of deal with.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Them in a sense. Right, And let me say.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
This, I I I am not going to encourage anyone,
whether they're working in the military or government or they've
retired from military and government, to come forward, right that
decision they have to make. But I can say this,
the bar, the level of risk and the bar for
coming forward is now getting very very low, and so

(03:21):
not surprisingly, people are stepping over that bar, which doesn't
mean that they don't have maybe some issues, right, it's
not that simple, but still it's nothing like it was.
And so this accumulation of witnesses is putting huge pressure
on the truth in barbo pushing at it. It's only

(03:41):
so many of these people, the idea that is just
so many people you could have come forward like that,
even for military or people that have had that are
coming forward and saying I'm a contact day like Jim semivn.
Right at some point, you know, that's just it's going
to crash. But okay, And so in terms of what's
happening on the trail, there are people like yourself and
others that are actually up there way more than me.

(04:03):
I'm watching kind of at a distance. Plus I'm checking
all the news.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Articles, which really they really cover it.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yeah, and so my understanding is that there's been a
little shuffled on the subcommittee. People have been taking different roles.
Certain Birchant was very prominent, Nancy Mason was very prominent,
and now Anna Paulina Luna is really prominent, not because
not just because she's on the committee that will probably
take some more witness testimony, but because again another milestone.

(04:36):
The chairman Comer says, let's set up a task force
to classify federal secrets.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
That's actually the name of about it.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
It's crazy. It's the craziest commit like task force name ever.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Well, there's been there have been some very limited attempts,
very limited to try to create some secrecy reform. They
never go anywhere, virtually never go anywhere, and nothing that
Blatant is a task force on playing federal secrets. So,
by the way, technically they have a six month mandate initially,
which they just extended another six which is cool, but basically,

(05:08):
you know whater to declassify the federal secrets, you need
about two or three decades. They're just going after a
few and they picked some low hanging fruit, which I
think was very smart. JFK documents, which everybody wants, right
It's a much smaller issue than the e T issue, but.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
It's kind of.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
A personal thing with American people. And they started getting documents.
They put out some demand letters. I think they'll get more.
People are expecting the smoking gun thing to come out
right away. They may be shocked, they may end up
being confirmatory of the basic who knows. But the point
is we want those docs right right, all right. The

(05:50):
public shouldn't be left to speculate about issues of great
import to them simply because the government is inconvenienced.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
So that's happening.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
I know, MLK documents, RFK documents may very well be
turning up soon, which just elevates her status and the status.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Of the task force.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
They also want to get the Epstein documents. I'm suggesting
that could be a tougher gig only because I mean
it's not like the subject matter is major national security, but.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
The people involved it could be extremely awkward.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
But I don't, I don't, she's not She's not delaying,
I think going after the the UAP material and the
disclosure process. So right now things are at a place
they've never been before. This task force is got subpoena
power if it wants.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It, and so hauhi.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
If I'm inside manager on the Truth in Barbo, I've
got to be thinking I need to I need to
start preparing for my post Truth in Barbo life, you know, right,
take a couple of extra courses or something, because it's
God's going to end. The other thing is that you're
getting more politicians are getting engaged. I know Representative Burleson

(07:07):
has gotten a little more involved. He started out pretty
much a basic skeptic but reasonable, and you can see
him kind of coming around. And there was this moment
in the here the briefing that was put put on
by UAP Disclosure Fund with the subcommittees of the committee's

(07:28):
sanction and participated where you had six individuals present for
a while and get asked a few questions by the moderator,
and one of those witnesses was Eric Davis, who that
was kind of a I don't recall Eric Davis being
in that situation. Maybe he has been, but I don't
think he's I don't know if he's testified before Congress.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I don't think so. We've been calling for it for
a while.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, but he is. He is an interesting guy with
an interesting pass. He's been in everything, kind of thinking
he's kind.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Of the the little bit wild and crazy scientists, right
but real.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I mean he's been involved in the heavy duty secret
stuff including remote viewing and so forth, almost everything. It's
like he's the guy you're gonna do this crazy stuff
or whatever. Very exotic we need Eric, right, So he
he Galadat testifies, I mean not testifies, but speaks, and
then doctor Davis speaks, and then it goes to some

(08:25):
questions and some of them came from the moderator, but
Eric Burlinson.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Was right next to him, and so he decided to
ask the questions.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
And this is so cool because he's such a nice
guy and he's not not uh, he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
He's very calm, doesn't get two worked up, and he.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Just says, well, I've heard that there's a number of
different kinds of and I'm thinking, oh, that's good. So
i don't know what people expected. But Eric just looks
at him and goes, oh, yes, we have the insectoids,
we have the reptilians, we have the Nordics, and of
course the grace. He may have called the insectoids insectalons

(09:05):
and whatever the hell. And I'm just sitting there, well
that I haven't seen that happen in the Rayburn building.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Before, or any congressional building.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
And it's on camera, being livestream, and so if I'm again,
if I'm a Truth and Barber manager.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
They're supposed to keep the I'm sitting there going on, no,
this is not good. What are we gonna do? So
that was a cool moment. I love that there was
something else that happened.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Again that you're asking about kind of where things are going,
And again I'm getting it from the outside view.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I can't keep it the first hand. You know. We
went to lunch and we talked for hours.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
But a very impressive woman by the name of Anna
pretty Estiv was on the panel.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
I'd never heard of it. Yeah. Either she launches into
a fairly lengthy description of.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
What she's doing and what's happening, and and I didn't
quite get all of it, but I've had I've talked
to some other people, and she apparently she's working for
the government and she was in charge of something very heavy.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
I wish I knew. I'm sorry, but she had a
pretty substantial position.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
She left it.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
I think she she left it and immediately because of
her extensive background, she has degrees in engineering, she went
to Yale, She's also been involved, she has a very
substantial career and a lot of contacts. Immediately started setting
up a very very large tech fund to do technology

(10:40):
of alternative nature but also connected to the UAP.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
And she's backed by serious, serious.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
People, right, And I think the indeed they created was
pretty good. Enemy's called deep tech. Yeah, and so, and
I looked at it a little bit more. I think
she is about to become a thing, meaning.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
She's I don't know how to describe, but you know,
there are these funds out there, and usually they're very male.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Dominated, and they do this, they do that. This is
pretty much a woman dominated program coming from that perspective
with huge clout, and I think once it gets more public,
she is going to be a major player on this field.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
It's absolutely brilliant. So that was exciting to me that
happened there. So then see.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Anything happen now and so okay, And with respect to
the hearings those that are following the political situation, which
I have to do.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
It comes with a job.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
It's not exactly stabilizing yet. So and then we have
serious matter still overseas, non trivial stuff. Ukraine smuggled some
drones into Russia, was able to get them by truck
or something near a major base three thousand kilometers away
and destroy for forty Russian big time bombers and creating

(12:05):
quite a scene.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Uh. There you have that.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
And then of course the situation in Gaza. Every every
week something awful happens. I'm not being partisan here, I'm
just saying.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
And then the Indian Pakistan just started stirring up.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Again, and Pakistan went around again. Seemed a little worse
than usual. So it's not.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Surprising that the et issue and it's engagement by Congress
and so forth, it's such as rocketing through no way,
but it never goes backward.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
It's always kind of inching forward, right right.

Speaker 7 (12:39):
And so.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Anna plane Aluna indicated a while back that she had
a plan and it was a good plan.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
She's gonna have a skiff.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
She wanted two or three people in their big time
and that that's where she could then hear things that
they can say, and she can hear, but nobody else can.
You don't want that, and that why. One of the
reasons you do that is you get some very important
information that you can't speak about, but it helps you
to plan who to bring in for witnesses and kind
of where to go very appropriate. Then she scheduled the

(13:10):
hearing for I think I think it was April twelve.
And in the meantime you had you had the UAP
Disclosure Fund, which is a very big deal coming forward.
They put on this event, uh and that I was
referred to, Well, the skiff didn't happen because people got sick.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think ultimately is what we were told. People got sick,
and I think that's several of the people got sick.
Skiff sickness, skiff sickness, yes, or skiff fear.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
And and so she canceled that, which kind of made
it awkward, I think for the hearing, and so she
then moved that till later in May, though I think
it still hasn't happened. And then there was going to
be a skiff at the end of May, and I
did you do you know if that took place, the
one that postponed. So it's all gotten postponed all again
because of all the stuff that happened in May. Right,

(13:56):
no problem, no problem with this, no problem whatsoever. So
there's no question that she's going to have more hearings.
She's actually said she's gonna have two. And what was
remarkable about that is he said she wanted government witness
and I got the government witness for witnesses for her,
and I know they know about them. That is the
nuclear shutdown witnesses, Palace and Shindo lay and Robert Chaison

(14:20):
might have to present a you know, a right written
report to be celebtic because he's delivered to the committee.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
You know, he's he has some health issues.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
But then we've got Robert Jacobs, he'd come in a second, right,
And then we've got this new gentleman that Ross Coulthart
is interviewing another sac based gentleman, which I didn't even
know about. Uh so we have plenty And then and
the nuclear shutdown testimony is probably the most powerful. I
have nothing against tick TACs, you know, nothing against tick tacks.

(14:52):
And and and Grush was incredible though obviously secondhand. Okay,
these are nuclear sacked based offers firsthand when the things
shut down. No, many other witnesses that won't come forward,
but can be alluded to as part of the whole
research that Robert Hastings did. And I'd love for him
to be in a position to be able to come

(15:13):
in and testify. Don't know, he has his issues. Now
we're all up in age. But those that that testimony
under oath, that's a that's a killer. I mean, if
I again, if I'm the truth in Burger managers, I'm
packing my bag.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
That one I would I seriously. And then and I
said this, and you know, I.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Luckily was this morning able to sit Bob and Dave
down in the same room, you know, and we were
able to walk Bob into Nancy Mays's office after the hearing.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
And you know, she had made that comment like, oh,
I would really love to do an ET and nuke.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Hearing.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
So like we know, it's in the ether, right, it's
in the it's it's out there, and it's now. It's
about making it a reality and pulling these people on
their word and you know, really mounting that kind of pressure.
But you're right that testimony if anyone has a vested
interest in national security and they can sit through a

(16:11):
hearing with Bob and all that testimony is given and
you don't shake in your seat.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Well again, I'm not shaking the sense of fear. I
don't think the testimony should be fearful. It's talking about
ETS shutting down our missiles in the sixties, maybe into
the seventies, also shutting down some Soviet missiles, turning them
on little scare tacking, not damaged, get them back on.
And there's other evidence corroborating, because I can get into

(16:38):
if you want that. The the intent of what that
was was not threatening. It was something else. It was
a message to us that they were hoping we would hear.
And because there's other testimony about other things that they
have done which kind of supports that. So with that

(16:58):
in mind, look, I like to say that any of
the members of the subcommittee or any other members you know,
such as Representative Burlison and Representative Luna moscow.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Witz and so forth.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
It was a very important thing when you brought Bob
Sallas in to meet the Representative Mace and she, you know,
I was given the privilege to sit in on it.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I had a chance to talk with it. Apparently she
stepped back. That's kind of.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Unfortunate, but whatever. They got a lot of lots of
stuff to do.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
But I would love to bring one or two of
those witnesses, maybe Shindelli Bob again, to maybe meet the
same way with you and put on film with the
Representative Burleson.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Alone or any of the committee that would like to
get a little more involved. My office is just two
blocks in the White House, and so I'm able to
maneuver and do that kind of easily. I don't have
to fly in right from town like you do. But
you know, this is what kind of thing I really
want to do more of. I'm an activist, but not
I am a registered lobby but I don't really lobby,

(18:01):
and there was I'm not constantly calling it a meeting
because I want to do this. I'm an activist trying
to work a number of things while watching the Congress.
But I think it's time that maybe have a little more.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Inside uh moments like we had with Mace, because I
do have a particular perspective on this. It's not inside,
it's outside, uh.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
And it's because I'm following the media intensely and I'm
following how.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
People handle the issue on social.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Media, right, and so I give a perspective that could
be useful to members of Congress that are trying to
contemplate the risk and how to deal with it.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
And so forth. And that's kind of what I bring
to the table.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
The advantage point.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, absolutely, I like.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
All source advantage point rather than just this or that.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
It's an all source where you're.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, you need, you need, you need a lot of perspectives,
and I clearly have I think a distinctive one because
of thirty years now almost of doing nothing to focus
on this. I mean, I don't have a dog. I
love dogs, but I can't have a dog because I
just focus on this, right. The dog would not do well.
So the other thing was that Annathlin Lula said she
wanted second hearing. And she said, and you may remember,

(19:10):
she said, I want this appointees. I want to have
a hearing with appointees.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Now, that really caught my attention, because what are appointees.
Appointees are people that the president has appointed.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
To the do D and the CIA, and.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
The National Security Office and the Homeland Security. That's the
appointee she's talking about me, not appointees to the Department
of Agriculture. And so I'm thinking, Okay, you bring in
an appointed a high level BOD person, couldn't be the
sec def don't know. You bring in another one from there?

(19:44):
Now you put them in the hearing under oath and
start asking them questions. That takes it to another level.
I mean, you probably couldn't even do it unless the
President of the White House was happy with them going

(20:05):
under oath on questions about UAPs, meaning that you were
you were down with them doing that because you wanted
to get your administration engaged in this issue. It's the
perfect way for the administration to get into the issue
when appointees are able to make candid comments under oath

(20:25):
to a committee.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Right, it's like a step before the big step, the
big step.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Right, It's it's the warm up. Right, You're getting closer
and closer.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, you're looking in the White House to the issue
right now. Maybe that's what she's thinking. Maybe that's not
the plan.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
I don't know, but it's the kind of thing that
get my attention, all right.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
And the other thing I don't want to say is
less I forget. I don't mean to be too long.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
But the message that I gave it at this conference,
the message I'm giving in the podcast, and I've gotten
many lined up and more coming, I mean end up,
and I've just done a bunch.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Is this.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
The two key messages that I'm always putting well, one
key message I'm always putting out in the new one.
The key messages I'm always putting out that I hope
people will hear and understand because I want people to
be happy.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I want them to be calm. And that's this.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Everything has been happening since to the Stars Academy and
Melon and Alizondo and those getting getting going and approaching
the hill and starting to elevate the level of understanding
on the hill and all a media coverage and so forth,
in the creation of the task Force, the creation of
arrow pieces of legislation.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
All of that pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Most of the American people are watching this going They're
going to go find out what's going on. They're creating
all the stuff to go find out what's going on.
That's not it, not sign it at all. None of
this has anything to do with that. They already know
what's going on. They know what's in the sky. They
have vehicles, they have bodies. They've been using vast sums
of money to track everything they can, because this is

(22:01):
a true national security matter, and they've been doing it
for seventy years.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Right, So, and then why are we going through all
of this if they already know, they just tell us
and we move on. Right. No, their problem is not
what they know. It's the truth embargo.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
It's what they withheld, the fact that they had to
lie about this for national security reasons, going all the
way back to the Truman's decision to hold off and
have General Raimi kind of do something to give us
some time, and eventually the time has now been seventy
eight years.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I wonder if he even you know, I wonder if
he could see.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
How long it went, would he have still made the
call you made.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh well, if you can see into the future of
the things, I can see it. In the future.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
I can tell you make some serious changes no, I
think he didn't know what was going to happen. But
they had a clear indication that something with the Soviet
Union is developing and it wasn't going to be good.
Plus that the Soviet und had the secrets, they had
the atomic and hydrogen bomb secrets, and they knew from
their intelligence they were going to start testing. I mean

(23:08):
they dropped the first hydrogen or was atomic in fifty three?
I think yeah, it might have been fifty three. So
any knowe that meant missiles, bombs enemy. There you go,
huge national security problem West versus the enemy again, and
China was not.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Really a factor yet they probably figured.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Out where that was going to go. And so and
what happened is as each year after the roswell and
that decision, things never got better. They only got worse,
and you start seeing the build up of a nuclear
armors arsenal.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
So it doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
The decision to see what's going to happen turned into
we're not touching that until somehow this gets sorted out.
Because this is a tip from tip to mister Brumsfeldt
who was no longer with us. Yeah, you're gonna you're
gonna tell the world officially that were not alone. And

(24:02):
you've got some teching bodies and things. So in other words,
we got visitors almost certainly from another star. Do you
know all the unknown unknowns that are going to happen
after that? You can probably think of a few unknowns, right,
Oh yeah, we don't, but the unknown unknowns.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
And if one of.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Those happens to lead to a destabilization of the force
and somebody launches a nuke, that's on your resume.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Now that's it. Yep, I caused nuclear war. You know.
I was trying to do my best, Okay, so they
just they said this, I put it off the table,
and it didn't really have a chance to truly make
progress until after the Cold War ended and you had
the elimination of the Communist Party, so the area round
ninety one, and there was things that happened right after that.

(24:49):
I speculate that if George H. W.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Buss had won that election, things might have been different,
might have gone very fat, much more faster, much faster,
because he was he was the guy that you would
want to be president if you're going to make them,
if you're the DoD in the military intelligence complex, want
to make a major move like that, he's a man guy.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
They didn't win. The president was not their man. Nope,
not their man.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
And so but there's still engagement during that administration. So
more time goes by ninety one to twenty twenty, twenty seventeen,
which is like another's twenty six years.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Well yeah, I mean, because you could argue that there
was another attempt in two thousand and one with the
National Press come event and you know, flying all those
witnesses in, and then nine to eleven happens a couple
months later.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
That was a civilian attempt, though I'm referring to inside
and that's the attempt that Clinton administration.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Tried, right right right.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
But because it was loosened up, you had some dramatic
but that was still ten years after the Cold War.
But Stephen Grier's work comes to it, that early work
comes to a culmination with and that.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
But that's us trying to get the truth in Barboe.
It had prospects, it had possibilities.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
But once again, like we see now, history which is
like a giant hide that goes wherever the hell it wants,
jumps in and just a couple of months later you
have nine to one one and whatever was going on
there is completely.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Shut it to the side. So we go through more
and more. We finally get.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
To a breakthrough, and that's the two of the Stars
Academy group, their bios and photos out there saying we
are we're willing to go after this issue, and there's
a platform, they have a company and all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
And that's fine.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
But it was several of those individuals in that group
that helped deliver the New York Times stories by Blumenthal,
Endlesslie Kane and these were that was the switch. The
New York Times stories hit a switch that turned on
some motors and lights and stuff. And from that point
and forward, we were not going back and we haven't.

(26:47):
And so at some point the people that came forward
there were trying to get disclosure. I believe that's what
they wanted. That's what they want it. But they probably knew,
and you know, I haven't talked to them directly, they
probably knew that, Okay, we're trying to get disclosure, all right,

(27:09):
but it's not there's a process that's going to have
to happen, right, And they were acknowledging that process, and
they were bringing witnesses up and educating and so forth,
and eventually getting legislation and what have you.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
But and so in a sense they understood this.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
In other words, we have to have this process to
finally get the ultimate confirmation, and that's the process you've
been seeing. But the problem is they already know about
the eteth presence. And I think the people that were
working this, like Melon and so forth, know that they
know that there's any t presence. But here is the dilemma.
You're going to do all this stuff and somebody asks

(27:46):
you why, Well, you know, we have extraterrestrials here, so
we need to create a task for us.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Oh, you have extraterrestrials here.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Disclosure, right, or at least it puts the administration on
the spot.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
So you have to do all of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Who could create a platform for disclosure and confirmation from
the president, But you can't tell them why because obviously
as a disclosure, so you basically put context it in
a reasonable way. We're really going to try to get
to the bottom of this, and we're going to figure
out what this is. Now most of the American people
are going right on, but everybody in the field that

(28:21):
knows anything at all is going Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Right?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
That's where I come in, because while I understand why
they're going, oh man.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
I totally accept this. This has it has to be
this way, all right. It's a little awkward, and they'll
be asked about that.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
You, I mean, you knew all along, and the answer
will be, well, look, you know, we had to have
an orderly process. This is a big deal.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
And so the whole this whole seven years, is to
put make it very simple, using a simple analogy, is
to build, through legislation and hearings and education and media
engagement at the highest level, a nice platform for solid,
well built that could sit in the East room right
there at the end of cross Hall, that the President

(29:07):
could walk down the hall and step up on that
platform with all that's happened and say, based upon reports
and understandings and briefings I've had for my top people,
I can confirm as the president that these statements and
the reality of our having crash vehicles, re engineering programs,
and bodies is absolutely true, which means, however you want

(29:29):
to say it, we're not alone.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
And then instead of a reaction like what and the media.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Goes nuts again the bite, the political partisanship jumps in
and they attack.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
No. I mean, the first thing that.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Comes to mind when the president says that is all
this other effort, the platform process that built it. And
they're going, well, of course, thank you, mister president. And
we're in the post disclosure world, and I am celebrating.
I'm raising my speaking rates, absolutely, spending money I shouldn't spend,
and building planning a world.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Term knows what else because I don't have a lot
of years left, so I got to compact the celebration.
You know, that's what it's about. So that's one of
the things that people want people to get.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
And you know, it seems obvious to me, but I
feel as a president, I would want.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
To be Now.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
I don't think it's a secret that Donald Trump as
a president will always be looked at one by history
as kind of what happened there, right, And that's okay,
But he could really make his mark in history by
being the disclosure president.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Well, I'm change the optics completely.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Well, let's assume that he doesn't feel the optics need
to be changed, and let's assume that he feels he's
already making testry, which is fine.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
That's okay, Right, here's where can say this is the
other part that the second half of what I was
going to bring it up. Okay, so the platform is
being built, that's all great.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
But there have been opportunities for every president, going back
to Truman to do this. Every president has known about
et presidents. Those that somehow think that this the people
behind the truth and bargo and the deep State or
whatever kept it from the presidents, they don't. This is
not realistic at all. You're the most powerful man pretty

(31:28):
much in the world. You're you're you have an incredible responsibilities,
and you have huge numbers of people that you're interacting with,
and many of them are extremely well connected. And so
the idea that nobody's going to take you aside at
some point at a lunch, at a meeting or whatever
the hell, and just say, mister president, by the way,
and if you didn't know this, this this phenomenon is
extraterrestrial and we are dealing with it, I would recommend

(31:52):
that you don't go there because this is very tough
politically and otherwise, but just letting you know. Yeah, and
that's true for major figures in Hollywood who have huge power,
huge amount of money.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I don't think people are going to take them aside.
Gleeson was was was actually taken to it to see
some bodies by Nixon was taking a scene and I
talked to the witnesses on that, including Charlie McLain.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
And NW the way, so they know every single one
is no. But they've chosen not to go there. And
the reasons they're going to be always the same. It's
a really politically risky it's national security. It's going to
be distracting, it could have political damage to you. We're
not sure the unknowns, we don't have enough information whatever,
and these all these fine presidents are going, well, you know,

(32:38):
I'm a very sober thinking person and I understand what
you're saying.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
And yeah, I'll go there. Now, I won't go there.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Carter was an exception on his own, and he made
an effort, but he had no platform and they weren't
going to give him that platform. So but it became
known through the work of Grant Cameron and a thousand
ages of documents which I have and he has that
it happened, which we then used and you know, crete
it out there to just let people know and it's.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Played a good role. But now we have a platform.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Now the question do we have a president given that
we have a platform, Now it's not going to go, well,
this is you know, this is interesting and so forth.
But there's a lot of unknowns here and and uh,
maybe I should defer to the Pentagon and so forth.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
We don't have the kind of president. Now.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
We have a rather unique situation where we have a
president that basically won is going to do whatever the
hell he wants to do.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Period.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Secondly, the people that might talk him out of it,
they're they're really not there. He has put in general
people in there that are very much in a loyalty position.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
And I think much most mostly concerned about supporting what
the president wants to do then talking about to doing it,
not that that doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
And so by and large we have an ideal situation. Uh.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
And then the second thing is we have a present
it that is very much interested in legacy and accomplishments
and being appreciated acknowledged. And well, simple truth is, and
I've said this now for thirty years and it hasn't changed,

(34:19):
is the first head of state to confirm the extraterrestrial
presence to the world. Then that will be followed by
other heads of state coming in right behind. Won't take
long and they're not going to sit back. Certainly of
our allies. I don't know about changing Ping and Puden,
they may hold off, but I think they'll actually come
out pretty quick to themselves. But they'll be second, and

(34:42):
it will be a global situation, and that's the way
it should be. But the president or that leader that
does it first gets a legacy of almost incalculable value.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
It's unfathomable, like it would be in every history.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Book going forward forever and rewritten the previous.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
It's the course of history. Now it's more than just
one person. But still, you know how it is with history, Yeah,
the same as we look back in.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Time to know, well, Alexandra did this and that changed everything. No,
President Trump will have a legacy and he will be
known as someone who literally changed the course of history.
I think for the better. I think so, And that's
simply a fact.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
And so now, given everything else, I kind of know
that's going on, and I'm always kind of aware and
I tend to always be positive about disclosure happening, though
I know sometimes it's really not like they all kind
of downplay it. I never pick a date that's crazy,
say it's going to happen on the state. But I'll
say it looks really good this year. Right, we have
good possibilities. This is what you, as an activist have

(35:45):
to do. You can't be going out saying, well.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Things are looking not too bad, but it could take
another ten or twenty years, and people go, I'm sorry, guy,
I gotta go. I really can't get behind this.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
No, you have to. You have to say that there
is a mountaintop that you see and you may not
get there with you, but.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
We're climbing that mountain. You have to do that.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
And so I think I don't go too far overboard.
But now it's different, all right, too.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Much is happening.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Too many things are taking place that point towards the
potential for getting this done. And so I believe there
is no fundamental barrier political or national security wise that
prevents President our president for coming out tomorrow for a
week from now.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
None.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Look, the platform could be bigger, right, could have a
little more, but it's enough. It's more than enough, and
so I think it's going to happen and one of
the reasons that really kind of keyed me into that
was that. And I didn't find out this untill later,
because you know, everything's happening all at once everywhere. But

(36:55):
I learned there was a podcast five days before his inauguration. Okay,
always podcast only this this one was hosted by podcaster
Donald Trump Junior, who has a podcast, a pretty good
one too. Actually, it's quite good at it, and uh,
I think a substantial following, if I'm not mistaken. I
don't think anybody's shocked at that. So a whole lot
of people watched him five days before his father's inauguration

(37:21):
interview Ross Colthart.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
And Alexander for an hour and a half time. Yeah,
talking euts and so disclosure and everything else. Now, you know,
you know, call me crazy. We'd never seen that before, right.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
And by the way, the podcast revolution, of which you
are apart, is a major issue in driving toward disclosure.
It's just one more huge communication and.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Ability for people to get information and interact on top
of the social media and the Internet, making it the
idea that we just keep this lie going, It's going
to be no problem. It's absurd, But in.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
That case, it was the Resident Sun's podcast, and so
I'm just thinking, hey, well, I can get a messag
I take him.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I can get a message. I get the message.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
You know, don Junior didn't just do that because you
want to have a little fun or take a flyer,
right and bringing the UFO issue into the family five
days four, it's not his father takes the oath. No,
I have to believe his father knew it. Very possible
his father.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Told him to do it. So let's say that the
president told him.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Why would he do that? I will speculate this. It's
called reading the room, right, reading the room? And what
room are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Okay, you're you're trying to make a decision. Now you're
going to play the issue once you're once you're in office.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Ah So if my son, who has this huge following,
holds of podcast, and I think it's the case, I
think they weren't closed off the comments, and it's on YouTube,
a whole bunch of people going to comment, right, and
I need to confirm that in case they closed it off,
in which case they know I'm kind of making a
mistake here, but I'm pretty sure has comments.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
So you know how common skill thousands of them.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
And so now you just go read the comments and
see what the public seeing what the public.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Is reacting to Don's podcast, and you're getting your reading
the room.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Now. Obviously he did not take any immediate action, obviously
because well, first of all, he had one hundred and
some presidential directives design, you know, so he hit a
lot in his plate and god knows what, and all
the appointments and everything else.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
I mean, the first one hundred days is brutal. His
has been more like two hundred days approaching, and so.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
That doesn't take action.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
However, the members of Congress have continued to take action,
and the leaders of that not all of them are
in fact very strong supporters of the president. Absolutely, And
so you take all that together, and my message to
the president he wants to call me, is the brass ring,

(39:55):
this incredible brass ring of historical implication is simply there
to take right now. You don't have to run, you
don't have to lift any weights, just reach out and
grab it, and it is yours forever ever. And the
question is, now, there are people that were going I
like that. I'm not comfortable with that at all. That's

(40:18):
not the person I want to take the ring. I
want somebody else to take it. History doesn't work that
way usually not, No, it doesn't. And you got to
get real. So history has come to this president is

(40:39):
a statement that you don't make history. It comes to you.
And if you look back, that's the way it is.
Lincoln didn't set out to make a nice civil war.
So we can have an historical moment. And there's countless
like that. History has come to Donald Trump, and so
if he accepts it, then of course the implications are broad.
The issue is nonpartisan, which brings them something else. I

(41:02):
wanted to say. When Luna was planning these events that
she was talking about, she was interviewed asked how things
are going, and she said, we're gonna have a skill,
we're going.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
To have a hearing, and we're gonna have to sreather
this briefing thing and then we're going to have a hearing.
But in the interview she made a statement she volunteered it.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
She wasn't asked. It's out there, you can find it also.
I put it up on Twitter. But if you go
find the interview with.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Her at Pole or something, right, I think it was askaball.
I think it was Matt last By the way, askapole.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
He's great.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I subscribe, I invite people to do it.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
He's doing something nobody is doing on this issue, and
it's great.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
So uh, she said.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
What I consider is like a seminal statement about the
historical opportunity.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
She said, the UAP issue is the.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Most bipartisan investigation in the history of the country boom period, boom,
and it is if you can find another one. We
can't good bipartisan kids being shot up in.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
School, Yeah, we can't. We can't. We can't be.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Bipartisan about lead. Pick anything. I'm not aware, you know.
Just and that's that's one of the problems. The nation
is in gridlock because we can't work together and each
side is determined to make the other side fail. I
understand why they may going that way. They're hoping eventually
they'll fail and go away and they'll take over. It
doesn't work that way, And so nothing much has happened, right.

(42:27):
It's irresistible force and immovable object, and the lack of
things happening and solving problems and doing things is turning
in the country into a mess.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
It's a wreck. Everybody's on drugs, meant real or I
mean legal, not legal illegal. Nobody's sleeping well and including me.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
So we're in a world where nuclear deterrence is the
acronym MAD.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
And and and while we're we're not able to fix
things at home and get some bipartisan results that helps people, Uh,
the nuclear your situation gets worse and worse. So again,
and this is why if you've got to if you've
got an.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Apocalyptic uh series, you know, streaming series, pitch go get it, go,
do it right, would put it out right everybody?

Speaker 4 (43:15):
They can't avoid watching apocalyptic stuff. I don't know how
many of the Walking Dead things were done. It was
four different versions of two one hundred episodes.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
People can't get enough. Now, why is that? What is
so endearing about the apocalypse is because they're seeing their
feeling the apocalypse. Yeah, and so it's a training These
are training shows. Watching Walking Dead, you know, how you
come together as a group, not do this, don't do that,
how to travel this and that and everything.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Else, because obviously we're going to need it one day
and this is not what we want.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
This is not what we're want to know.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
And so, uh, the the president or the head of
state dead and get us out of this.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
That's a good thing.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
And some people say, well, you know, this particular president
will dominate and so forth and it will just be
all about him.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
No, that's not going to happen, right, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
And there isn't is simply this all of the major
nations know there's any tea presidents, including Russia, including China,
but certainly are our major allies, which is in European countries.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
And so forth. And they have deferred to us, And
people said, well, why did they do that.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
They've deferred to us because after World War Two, we
were the most powerful nation in the world.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
We had we had the first nukes. You know, the
smart people in the smartest people looking over US, Soviet Union, US,
and they're going, well, I see where this is going
to go and so and this issue is happening, and
the idea that they're going to cut in line.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
No, they deferred, right, this is your call. We can't
build twenty thousand and thirty thousand nuclear weapon. We're you know,
the Soviet Union, I mean the Russia with the Soviet Union.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
It's just a few miles over right on our right border, right,
And they defer to US, and they've stayed that way.
That doesn't mean they haven't been involved in the issue.
They have.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
I think Soviet Union and China, China was not in
a place to do much of anything, but even as
it evolved in to a powerful nation that these are
ideological control states, and giving them incredibly giving their people
incredibly profound news is just going to make it harder
to kind of keep people in line and focus on
the party and oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Whatever, just super disruptive for their society.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
And what was that movie, Don't look up? Yeah, don't
their policies don't look up, don't look out. So they didn't.
They didn't do it either, and that doesn't mean it
couldn't do it now.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
I mean the thing has got to the point that
platform was built in a way, there's kind of a
virtual version of that platform over in.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
The Kremlin and one in Beijing, right right. And if
Putin steps up there and and and says there's ets here,
well guess what who gets the legacy? Who get? But
I think it's going to be our president and so
is when he does it.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Immediately, our allies such as Britain and Canada, Australia and
things like that they're going to come forward right away
and say absolutely, we we know about this, we have
our own evidence, and I think it's appropriate that the
Canadians or the Brits might go to their prime minister
and go, look, why.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Didn't you tell us about this sooner? I mean, come on,
what's going on here? Why do you do it? You know,
we're irritated by that. And the answer is a very
simple answer.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
One the nature of the history of the time important
of the United States, we didn't want to cut in line.
So essentially it was a national security issue for US
as well as.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
The United States, just by proxy in a sense.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, by proxy, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
So they're there, you know, because they felt if they
were to step in front of us that could undermine
things and create a problem for us, that could leave
you a problem for them whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
The world's complex.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
So uh.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
And then then and their citizens will go, okay, that's great,
now tell me about this stuff, right, what do you got?
What do you got? No problem?

Speaker 4 (47:03):
And I think Putin and gg thing will do the
same thing, so very because.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
They don't they're not going to be upstage here completely.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
They're not going to go back and go, well, you know,
we'll just sit back on this while the Holy Et
thing is completely manifests in the Western world. No, and
so right away you've got all of the major leaders
pretty much committed the fact it's true, probably talking about
getting information out now a full global it's a global thing, right,
and ETS didn't come here to just kind of hand.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
So it's a fully global thing.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
And so our president will be part of a bunch
of global leaders who are coming together to deal with,
as Anna says, the UN.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Investigator, the issue that is the.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Most bipartisan investigation in our history and probably any other countries.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
So that's what I'm saying now. I know a lot
of people are going to push back and say, you know,
you've been saying this forever and I'm just so tired
of hearing it. I get it, I get it. I understand.
I'm not offending.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
You're the one who had to say it all the time.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Somebody, somebody had to keep somebody just keep the flame lit.
I know I'm not the only one.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
I actually respect that. Now they say that, well, that
that's what activists do.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Researchers, that's not their job, and so they look upon
what I'm doing is it's a little crazy. Journalists, absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Journalists are supposed to have hidhere to certain protocols and
what have you, and they just can't be going out
and saying, oh, disclosures coming.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
You can't do that. Even an op ed person shouldn't
do that, right. That's why you have activists. They can
do or say things that others can't, that other areas
of engagement can't do. And hopefully if you're honest and
authentic and you don't do violence, which is absolutely unacceptable.
By the way, this movement has been absolutely non violent.

(48:53):
I'm not aware of a single active violence, which is
I think incredibly admirable.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
It really is when you really step back and this
world where you know every there's.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Violence everywhere, everywhere and on every issue of any substance.
But this issue is unique.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
It's nothing. Nothing is like this. It transcends politics and religion.
Its global.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
So what do you think, say?

Speaker 2 (49:21):
It happens right, just like you talked about, it comes
to fruition and someone steps out the unit. Well, well
let's say Trump in this case, Yeah, it steps out,
grabs the ring, says I'm going to do it.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
We're going to reveal, confirm confirm. The revealing is another process.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
The second do you think there would have to be
do you think it would have to come out in
stages like now we confirm and then there's a follow
up in thirty days and because the second question is
going to be are there abductions?

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Okay? Yeah, Look here's here is my best take on it. Uh.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
The President has made the announcement. Okay, Now, the first
thing that happens is several thousand reporters immediately head to
Washington in every briefing room they can find, all right,
with a million questions, including the White House. Okay, fine,
And if they're if they're wise, they may they may
set up some panels that they can direct them to
or bring in some people so they can ask some

(50:25):
questions of various panels.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Or they may they may hold off.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Well I don't know they you can't step that the
reporters for coming, but they'll find a way to sort of,
you know, slow it down a little bit. But they're
going to ask a lot of questions right away. Some
of these things are not really classified and just really
impelling questions and they're going to get asked immediately, all right.

Speaker 7 (50:48):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
And one of the absolute questions is going to be
It's going to be asked day one, and they're in
a very tough spot because the focus now is like
a microscope on an electron microscope. And so every word
that comes out of your mouth at that point, whatever
whoever you are, why spokesman you are or woman, uh,
it's going to be scrutinized. It's going to be down
to the you know, the atoms.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
And so they got to kill the truth. And so
when a reporter asked the.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Question, since you've confirmed that we have bodies and so
for basically that obviously they're here, does that mean that
the reports of contact, even abduction by entities like this
is true? And the answer has got to be yes,
which brings up another oh whoa okay, well, and then
and then then at some point, right I don't know

(51:35):
how quickly it will happen, at some point they would say, look,
we have the legislation to reveal all because I think
that I think the Disclosure Act will be redond it
not redone, but resubmitted.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
With everything pretty much.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Yeah, maybe the eminent domain not but the whole Act,
which described the whole process.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
That would be done with executive order.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Right, well, well come being executive order resubmitted in the past,
and that's going to happen fast, and then it's going
to start doing its thing.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
The they're going to be.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Going after information and and and documents and what have you,
and and if if they're not given those documents, people
are going to be having a real hard time. Their
careers are going to be over. This is this is
the law, and it's a hell of a law. And
so it starts coming forward very quickly.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
They're not going to wait. There's already stuff coming forward
now under the half the half bill that was passed
going into the archive. Nothing earth shaking, and it'll come
up to the reupanel ree pen say okay, bank goes
forward public and the archives comes up not really yet
to that push you back, put a day, just put
it back, put it on hold. But they have to

(52:42):
acknowledge that, and that'll just keep happening and it'll be
like a river, a river of stuff.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
They're not going to be able to come out and
say want to take a couple of months off here,
and we're just not going to do anything. The public says,
I don't think so. And so this will be. So
that's now, that's the that's the small d disclosure process.
It large happening coming out to the world, and other
nations will be doing the same thing, which is another
reason why it'll keep the pressure on because you may

(53:10):
have something you'd brand and not put out right now,
but then you know, Britain puts it out. You know
what the hell and so's it's.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Going to be a lot faster than people think.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
But it's orderly and I think they know this. They
have a plan. The government's had seventy eight years to
kind of plan this.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
You found it, I got it, I know what I
got it, fireway, fire away.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Several people have pointed towards twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
I'm sure you've heard the date.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
You said you don't like dates.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
However, why I don't like dates, It's just that I don't.
I don't go that far. Right, even that year is
a big time. But hey, I put two bets down
on confirmation and disclosure happening in the UK at big
odds way back. You know it's like for the next
twelve months, Okay, I mean, because I you know, I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Really was feeling good, right, I put my money where.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
My mouth is wasn't much, but I had great odds
five hundred to one, and at one point they were
offering thousands of to one.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
This is a number of years ago.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
Well, both bets didn't pay off because in that year
it didn't happen. Okay, but no, the idea of saying
this is the year, that's like rigging that bet so
that I win.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
That's not gonna.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Happen, right, But this idea of twenty twenty seven, Do.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
You think that maybe there is something? Because I often think,
why would anyone say a date like that?

Speaker 3 (54:36):
You know, why why does it keep coming up?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Is it? Do you think there could be you know,
a scenario where we've spotted something, you know, coming our way,
and we know that we have a limited time because
whatever was coming might just cause a chaos what do
they call it?

Speaker 3 (54:57):
A chaos disclosure?

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Apocalyptic discre right, So I mean just a you know,
instant reveal by a ship entering our atmosphere that's going
to scare a lot of people. That's going to be chaos,
I'm sorry, catastrophic disclosure pretty much the same same thing.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
So they're like, let's get in front of it.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I don't think so, because they're already here right well,
flying out of mountains. They're going onto the ocean in
all the places now. So no, I don't think that
is it.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
It's intriguing, though, and there's lots of fun speculative possibilities here.
First of all, there's some psychic saying this right right,
that's good, And you've got some form mercy. I a
people kind of referring to something, which means they may
have some information. And so, but it's enough that it's
in play, it's on it's on axis.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Happened right, it's going semi viral.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
So let me give a couple of possibilities that I
think maybe have a little better chance of working. And
one of them is the simple analysis that I've been
putting out for years that if we get disclosure of
the t presidence worldwide, there's going to be this massive
learning curve that's going to take place where billions of

(56:12):
people are going to have to learn a lot of
stuff and want to learn, and they're going to read,
they're going to want films, they're going to want all
kinds of content, which is why I created, along with
Dan Harrari, the Hollywood Disclosure alliance to bring together people
in the ap world and the people in the film
world to get together real fast and make that content,
particularly using the people that have done all the work

(56:33):
all these years.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Maybe they didn't have PhDs.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
But they did the work, did the journalism, they did research,
and they need to be included in that massive content.
It's going great. We have two hundred and five members.
We expect to have money more very soon. So the
learning curve of the world, given all the meat, the
tech we have, podcasts and internet and so forth, this

(56:59):
stuff will go.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
And movies.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
You make a movie, We make a movie and we
it plays in many countries, billions of people see it,
and it makes billions of dollars, and variably it's about
ets well, and so the world's getting educated at some point.
It's pretty much educated, which means what it means that
and I don't think I think two years is about right.

(57:21):
So it means that if ets were to actually go open, who's.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Going to get upset?

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Right?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
You know they're here, right, And so suddenly we're learning that.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Well, the President United States just received a communication from
a particular group talking about this that and suggesting.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
This or whatever.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
That's open contact that's not visits in the middle of
the night. Does it mean they have to be on camera,
they have to be physically they're No, it could be communicating,
but some kind of open contact is taking place.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
There is a logic to it taking about two years.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
That may be one reason why you hear twenty twenty
six back a while and you're twenty twenty seven and
they're thinking like I am. There is also the possibility
that there has been background communication between any et species
and some of our leaders or your leader or whatever

(58:16):
along the lines of once you confirm we're here, ah,
we're going to go open and we're really close right now.
So if they know that, if they if people inside,
no disclosures pretty much happening, and they have that kind
of understanding that's behind the scenes, then that predicts two

(58:36):
years out, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It's another way to do it. They could have been.
This is another popular version.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
I love to speculate. It's okay as long as you
make it clear is that they've been given an.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Ultimatum, right are You've held the reins long enough?

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Closure die? My friend? Yeah, and that would do it well.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I was thinking, so you know, Trump would be in
his last year of his last well, you'd be entering
his last year of presidency.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
And no, actually no, he's gonna be president twenty five,
twenty six, seven, twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
So if it happens to oh, yeah, next to last year,
twenty six is next to that, yeah, meaning the middle
of the presidency. So and by the way, well it
would be passed, yeah yeah. But by the way, he
has the power to speed it up.

Speaker 7 (59:23):
He does if he if he comes out in the week,
we could have the open contact and two years or less. Yeah, right,
he could be halfway through his second year, and we're
in open contact now that now.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
The legacy groves, the legacy groves.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Now open contact of course, will almost certainly be not
confined to a single country. That will be probably engaging
though ultimately they're engaging the planet. They're not gonna I
don't see them coming up with two hundred different deals.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
With the two hundred Yeah, yeah, I think it'll be.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
But they're gonna be you know, probably open contact with
major nations, major leaders, and uh, that clearly is a
world changing thing, but it is not country specific, and
so everybody can share in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
The glory, all right, because the last thing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
We want eighties are not stupid that they're not going
to confine it to one country. So the whole world
is looking at that country, going, what.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
What deals are you cutting? What have you got? What's
going on? We're really suspicious here, right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
You look, I think they're going to go out of
their way if they do this to engage the planet
as a whole with a certain essential equality amongst all countries.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Again interesting speculation, Uh, but it is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
You know, you got to you gotta at least well
and I and I bring it up only because these
these these these things are turning up about twenty six
and twenty seven doing trigger me. And some of them
are coming from people that I actually respect and so
and that's why I have to think about a little
bit again the suit of the better. I mean, it
can't happen too soon for me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I mean that's all too far.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Even that's out there, that's twenty five six, that's good,
that's fine. Maybe even the summer, right, that would be
not bad.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Well, you know what's funny is was it the last
day of contact last year? Was or David Grush right, Yeah,
they're ironically that's right. So you know where you get
at the bombshell.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Yeah, we were.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
We were here at the same hotel and we learned
somebody learned that Cole Fart was about to get that interview,
and the article it appeared in Mike I. Hanks's article,
No it's crazy, boom Keanes article. I think didn't they
write to you?

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Yeah for the debrief boom. I mean it was huge,
and everybody got in the room and watched it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
It was like a family moment, right, We're so proud
of ourselves and everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
It's good. Okay, that happened. And then and that was.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
That was twenty twenty three. Last year, things were happening
around this time too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
It was like, may, oh that's right, yeah, time, that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
It does go by.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
And so there was some there are some significant things happening.
Then now how about right now mm hmm. Let's see.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Well, as we move into this conference, we've got the
statements from Luna, We've got the indications she's going to
do more hearings. We had a couple of major witnesses
coming out, nothing quite at the level of the Grushrush moment,
but there's going to be some more grush moments. And
if one wants to happen on Monday this year, which
I think is June.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
The second. I'm down with that. I'm down.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
So so because we do have to wrap up now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
But I obviously you always have an open door onto
the podcast, and you know we talk a lot, so uh,
I always love my conversation with you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Where can people go, uh for to follow your work?

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Well, there are there are a number of entities that
want need support immediately, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Uh. First and foremost the New Paradigm Institute. Uh, they
really have.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
They've had some decent funding. They've established some very substantial
website and programs, and they have the Citizens for Disclosure
Project where you can go you sign up and then
you can write anything to your just write a note
slid up to them and it automatically goes through the
system to the to your congress and senator, congress person's

(01:03:27):
and senator and so you know, support that. I mean,
we can't have too many of those those messages going
in particularly right now. And they have other programs. It's
really going to be a front front, front, front, leading
entity in the post disclosure world. And it was basically
set up for the post disclosure world getting to disclosures
is an advanced project, right, yes, it's like a you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Know, an appetizer. And then the Sole Foundation is a
scientific think tank that's just based in Stanford. UH and
Gary Nolan Nobel Prize nominee is leading that UH that
needs support from the big eyes write some serious money
because they want to try to develop and deal with
the science and the engineering of this thing in a

(01:04:11):
post disclosure world. The UAP Disclosure.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Fund, which sponsors to to events on the Hill already
on the hill, right about UAP again, that wasn't happening
twenty years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
They they are five O and C four political entity
that is it going to be taking it gets massive
amounts of money.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
They're going to use that money to affect the political policies.
That's what five O, W and S force two. Okay,
so we now have a five O and C four
big one.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
There's other groups forming absolutely faster than I can even
get into them. These are and of course mouf on
is getting more aggressive and more robust, engaging the hill
quite a bit. H.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
You got a major media.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
Component of movef on and was created by Ron James
that they need support to sign up from mo join it.
It's going to get more less investigatory and more post disclosure.
But it's been around since nineteen sixty nine. It deserves
a major place in the post disclosure world. My group,
my organization is small. It's been mostly me, though I

(01:05:16):
have a huge network, paradigm Research group, like an activist entity,
limited but focused, but knowing the post disposure world is coming.
I just converted to a five O and C three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
By getting some donations through the portal on the website.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Do I need millions, No, I do not. Even hundreds
of thousands would be probably good. I couldn't quite use
right now. But I do have a couple of quick projects.
The most important is the X conference. I held six
of those back in the early aughts four, five, seven, eight, nine, ten,
all of them in this area, one in the Press Club.
Bent extremely well. It's time for another one X conference

(01:05:56):
twenty twenty five. I already have a venue which would
be the Press Club, and a hotel this nearby. It's
all pretty much there. When I commit it's it would
be an excellent setup. In order to do it, I
have to I have to lock down the Press Club venue,
and you just don't Yeah, give me that date. No,

(01:06:17):
in order to lock it up, I've got to actually
pay all of the rental for the substantial amount of space,
and it's in the twenty thousand range. So as soon
as I can get that threshold and donated to PRG,
I locked down the venue, lock down the hotel, put

(01:06:37):
the site up, start selling tickets, and then.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Start bringing people in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Yeah, I love to come.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
I'd love to come.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Oh, of course you're gonna come. Yeah, And I'll love
the media and the target for this, so it's time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
The target for this is in July early February. Okay,
Now that raises a pretty interesting situation in that uh
end of the year. So I mean we're still here, right, Yeah,
nobody's nuked anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
In December, a major event is being put together called
the State of the World form based exactly like the
State of the World forums from the nineties. Big events,
significant and it's going to address the state of.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
The world with heavy duty people.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
The original ones back in the nineties had heads of state,
they had major players. We'll shoot for that now this time,
and that's already that's already planned.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
It's going to be in the Washington.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
In that uh that December time frame, and then in
October just before that plated, I mean it was scheduled,
they had to reschedule and anything could change it. But
technically it's in play. The invites have been out a
major UAP conference in Dubai.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
Oh wow, Yeah, that's wild Dubai Dubai.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Full International.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
At this point unless I do something really silly. I'm
on the invite list and a lot of other people,
but I can't speak for them. So this would generate
huge news. Obviously, it's going to be absolute the highest
quality venue and so forth.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
And they go all out, They go all out, and
that that will be that will elevate the issue.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
And then you have to stay the world form, which
is going to devote a third of its how would
you say, agenda to the AP, which didn't happen in
the previous nine Yeah, and then the ex conference would
follow that in late January. It's a one two three,
and so I need the people's help it give me
about twenty twenty five thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
I can do it. I'll launch it. It'll be happening,
and that will also.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Help ERG get more a little more leverage, a little
more cachet in terms of getting access to the hill.
So I'm poised to do my thing. Danny Shean's doing
his thing. Gary Nolan's doing his thing. Everyone's doing it and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Everything else. Oh oh, and the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance is
doing its thing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Yes, And we are Hollywood Disclosure Alliance as a nonprofit
five O one C three. We do not make any
money from any deals that are made to make content, films, documentaries, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Do you just make the deals. That's with you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
We're just helping you to get together to do it
and identify who really wants to engage this issue, so
you know. But we could do a lot more in
terms of wards and dinners and presentations and so forth,
but we're going to need donated funds for that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
If we just had twenty twenty five thousand, we can
do some very cool things in Hollywood. We've already had
some meetings that have gone pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
I think the door's open, I hope.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
So thank you, yes, sir, thank you for doing this.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
All right, Well, that's gonna do it for our shows
at Contact in the Desert. I can't believe it's actually
been almost three months since Contact. I think, Yeah, a
little bit more than that, and we're just finally now
wrapping up our set of interviews that we did conduct.
I want to say a special thank you to everyone

(01:10:10):
involved in creating Contact in the Desert, but especially people
like Brianna Jamie and Captain Ron himself. You guys let
us conduct these interviews in the media room. You gave
us unfettered access where we needed it, and it was
such an amazing event. I learned so much, not about

(01:10:33):
just the UFO field, but about myself about mistakes that
can be made. That was Stephen Bassett with Paradigm Research
Group from today's interview. But we conducted so many great
interviews from this conference, so I really implore you to

(01:10:53):
check out them all. I'll put them in a little
playlist and I'll link them right up here, or just
search through our history and check it out. Whether it's
on a podcast, block form, YouTube, everything's always there for
you to watch and to re listen to. Again. Without
your support, the show wouldn't be possible. So I want

(01:11:15):
to say thank you to everyone who watches, who listens.
You are what make doing this worth it, facilitating these
amazing stories of the unknown, of the mysterious It's been
such a pleasure to work with Cariy Lindsay on the
video editing, and that will be continuing into you know,

(01:11:40):
the the studio here that we're working at and conducting
more in person interviews. I felt that, you know, this
was a really good starting point for that kind of operation,
knowing that I had the studio to come back to.
Uh So this really was was the setting the state

(01:12:00):
for what was to come next for Total Disclosure, and
I think we've set a very good foundation for that
and I can't wait to see what happens. It was
a pleasure speaking with Steven Bassett, and it was a
pleasure speaking with the catalog of people interviewed at Contact.
So I implore you to check it out, whether it's

(01:12:22):
on a podcast platform, whether it's on YouTube. They're all there,
and I will link some of them in the description.
In fact, I'll think all of them. So my name's Ty.
This is Total Disclosure and we're wrapping up our coverage
of Contact in the Desert Tony twenty five event Horizon.

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