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Sam Mitchell, host of Autism Rocks and Rolls, reshapes perceptions about autism through his journey in college, broadcasting, and advocacy work. Challenging stereotypes, Sam demonstrates how individuals on the spectrum can lead fulfilling lives, sharing insights from his podcast, nonprofit efforts, and public speaking. Together, we explore the resilience needed to navigate grief, sensory issues, and everyday challenges, uncovering practical coping strategies. With lessons from a neurodiversity conference, Sam highlights the role of advocacy in fostering inclusive workplaces and communities. Through stories of triumph and self-worth, we celebrate the power of kindness, authenticity, and the unique strengths that shape a brighter, more inclusive future.
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Josh Porthouse (00:00):
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This is Transacting Value.
Sam Mitchell (00:49):
I never had a chance to do something good for
the world.
I always wanted to, but anopportunity never came up until
Autism Rocks and Rolls was made.
Josh Porthouse (01:00):
I own Transacting Value.
Knowing who you are is onlyhalf of our growth journey.
Understanding how you comeacross to people is entirely
another and transacting value.
Knowing who you are is onlyhalf of our growth journey.
Understanding how you comeacross to people is entirely
another.
Today we're talking with SamMitchell, and he's the host of
Autism Rocks and Rolls podcastand also the founder of Autism
Rocks and Rolls nonprofitcorporation in Indiana.
We're talking all aboutunderstanding how who you are
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and who you come across insociety sometimes is not as
important as helping otherpeople develop their awareness
about you.
I'm Josh Porthouse, I'm yourhost and from SDYT Media.
This is Transacting Value, Sam.
What's up, man?
How you doing.
Sam Mitchell (01:40):
Hey, buddy, good to be here.
Thanks for having me on on.
I just was helping out somefriends before we got started
cleaning up their truck, sure,sure?
Josh Porthouse (01:49):
no, I appreciate you making some time, man.
I understand there's a lot ofother things that can take up
your schedule, especially you'rein college now, right?
Sam Mitchell (01:57):
oh god, yeah, third year, no crap.
Yet last year, my bad last yearof broadcasting as a student.
I hopefully will be getting anassociate's degree afterward.
Josh Porthouse (02:08):
Yeah, congratulations, congratulations
.
What do you want to do withbroadcasting Radio?
Okay, all right, perfect.
Well then, I have a strongfeeling we'll be staying in
touch.
I'd love to follow along withyour journey as well, but so
tell me about it, man.
Let's break it down a littlebit for everybody who's
listening in and watching thisvideo.
Who are you?
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Where are you from?
What sort of things are youpaying attention to?
Sam Mitchell (02:33):
I'm Sam Mitchell.
I run the podcast Autism Rocksand Rolls.
It's a podcast about autism andhow we cope with daily
struggles that you may or maynot understand.
Through the podcast it's grownso much.
I've helped sponsors, a boardof eight.
I also do speaking engagements.
I've also spoken at Oklahoma,orlando three times, canada,
twice Stewart, florida andWashington DC.
I'm also the event planner inIndiana.
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We have one coming up inDecember which will be Breakfast
with Santa.
It's going to be kind of fun.
We get to have the kids getpictures with Santa, have a
pancake breakfast and then,hopefully after, we'll be having
a cookie eating contest, likeChristmas cookie contest.
Nice To make them or eat themBoth.
You got to make them.
You're going to get the judges.
They are probably mygrandparents and they're going
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to be judged on flavor andpresentation.
Josh Porthouse (03:22):
Perfect, perfect , I love it, I love it, I love
it.
So what?
What is it about autism, youthink?
Sam Mitchell (03:29):
gets so misunderstood by people that we
can't do squat, that we can't doanything, that that I'm not
capable of cleaning up a truck,for example, for a basis, but
the fact is they don't think wecould do anything.
There's a whole population ofthe autism.
That is, they consider and Ihate this word, but they just
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want me to describe it lowfunctioning, where they can't
use the bathroom on their own,they're in a wheelchair bow,
they don't brush their teeth,and that's some.
I'm not going to deny it.
But there's also a populationlike myself who actually goes to
college and who's actuallyworks and helps out when he can.
And, may I also add, is just,let me lie to an extent.
Josh Porthouse (04:15):
So how do you convey that though I mean you're
not a teacher, you know what Imean?
Is this through your podcastand through the corporation?
Sam Mitchell (04:23):
As much as I don't like to say myself, I'm a
teacher.
I kind of come from it.
My mom's a teacher.
She teaches eighth gradeEnglish.
In essence, the best way I doit is through the podcast, to
show people this is what youthink autism is, and to a point
you're right.
But it's not everything whatyou think.
Josh Porthouse (04:43):
Sure Well, it's a spectrum, a spectrum, right.
So there's someone, one insomeone people forget that.
Sam Mitchell (04:48):
People forget it's a spectrum, yeah, and it's also
so frustrating that they don'tunderstand our social issues
with patients, with having footand mouth syndrome.
No filter, that's something Igot crippling anxiety.
Yeah, I don't understandeffective communication, so
when't understand effectivecommunication.
So when I say effectivecommunication, I'm not talking
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about conversations, although Ikind of am not the best with
that either.
I'm talking about the eye rolls, the facial expressions,
gestures, body language.
I don't pay attention to it andsome I don't choose to.
It's the fact I literally can'tbecause I'll overthink it.
Josh Porthouse (05:24):
Oh, interesting, so you consciously tune it out
to just listen to the words orwhatever the conversation is.
Sam Mitchell (05:31):
Because if I looked at it I would be like, oh
crap, what did their eye rollsmean?
Josh Porthouse (05:36):
Okay, okay.
So you just got done with akeynote speech, though you just
got done with all these speakingengagements.
How'd it go?
Sam Mitchell (05:46):
I think it went good.
People thought I was funny andthey liked the presentation
style, so I guess it didsomething right.
Josh Porthouse (05:55):
Yeah, man, Good job, Good job.
But then for yourselfidentifying all this, I mean, to
a certain degree, the amount ofself-awareness that you've
grown into and that you'velearned is exponentially more
than most of the population inthe United States especially.
So is that a conscious effort?
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Is that just natural to you?
Did it take effort?
How'd you figure it out andlearn about yourself?
Sam Mitchell (06:23):
I'm so sorry, buddy.
I'm afraid I understand yourquestion.
Josh Porthouse (06:26):
Oh cool.
So what I'm asking is to betterunderstand how you prefer to
learn and how you prefer to haveconversations with people.
How'd you figure it out?
Sam Mitchell (06:39):
What I had to do was I socialize my way.
You don't like get out.
I know it sounds cruel, butit's the only way I can do it,
because if I socialize the waypeople do, it just doesn't make
sense.
One way is, for example, whenyou make friends, most of the
time they happen naturally right, like you don't have to ask if
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they're in or out.
I can't do that.
I'm going through this rightnow, literally last week, I
asked people who I thought wereinterested in being a friend
instead of let it happennaturally.
Are you interested in hangingout?
I mean, are you in or out?
Josh Porthouse (07:17):
Me Okay, and so that amount of clarity makes the
difference in your personallife making new friends and in
your social life, right?
Sam Mitchell (07:28):
Mm-hmm, and that's what helps.
A lot too in life is clarity,straight communication.
There's a lot of times whenthose on the spectrum don't like
literal thinking.
So he's like, oh, I'm pullingyour leg.
They're going to think you'reliterally pulling their leg off.
Josh Porthouse (07:39):
Sure, okay.
Well then, what about now foryou as a student?
Because every teacher you have,I'm sure, isn't teaching the
same way that works for you, so?
Sam Mitchell (07:50):
Right?
Well, the way I do it is I'mpretty direct with them, like
I'll tell you, listen, this iswhat's going to have to happen
for me to be successful, or it'snot going to work.
And I'm not like.
It's not in a mean rude tone,it's very fair and respectful,
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but it's also kind of firm.
Yeah, I think one of myprofessors doesn't like it, but
that's the way I know how tocommunicate.
I came from a family where wedo not hold back.
Josh Porthouse (08:20):
Oh, okay, so let's talk about that a little
bit.
I mean you're, I think she doesit.
Sam Mitchell (08:26):
You're what I said .
I think this professor does it.
Oh, sure, sure, but maybe I'mwrong.
I'm over-reading it.
Josh Porthouse (08:35):
Maybe, maybe, maybe not, because everybody
overthinks things and getsanxious from time to time.
Gets anxious from time to time,but your upbringing, the
environment that you were raisedin I'm sure that helped to
develop your awareness about howpeople communicate, and
yourself, right?
What was that like?
Sam Mitchell (08:55):
I would say so because, in my retrospect, my
family was always important toteach me you better
self-advocate for yourself,because mom and dad aren't going
to be here forever now.
Thankfully, I have them stillin my life and they still have
advocated for me before.
But since I was an itty bittyboy, I was raised to speak up
and when it comes to your rights, know them first of all.
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If you think they're notfollowing the law, speak up,
because there are laws for thosewith autism.
Josh Porthouse (09:24):
Yeah, you know I talked to a lady a couple weeks
ago now.
Speak up, because there arelaws for those with autism.
Yeah, you know, I talked to alady a couple weeks ago now and
she was telling me that, of allher travels all around the world
, her dad worked at differentembassies in different countries
, everywhere, and while she wasgrowing up she traveled him
around, followed him around, andshe said one of the things that
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she learned was that everybodyin the world that she came
across communicates in threedifferent ways.
One of them tends to be real,objective, kind of fact-oriented
, not by the books.
The other tends to be a littlebit more subjective in their
feelings.
And the other tends to be alittle bit more subjective in
their feelings and sort of moreshallow in their topics.
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And then the other group tendsto be a bit more subjective but
a little deeper in their topics,which is generally where I
prefer to sit in myconversations.
But so, for example, this shirtis blue.
I feel like this shirt is blue,or why is this shirt blue?
Are three different types thatshe was talking about, and I've
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got some friends who areautistic and function on their
own, they live on their own,they drive vehicles, but they
tend to perceive the world moreobjectively because the emotions
that people exhibit can beoverwhelming, kind of like you
talked about before.
Sam Mitchell (10:48):
Yeah, hey, great example of that is I don't cry
at funerals.
I cause I get where this isgoing because, honestly, here's
my reason why, and it's not thefact I don't.
I'm not crying because I'm madthat they died or I'm not upset.
I'm, of course I'm upset.
They died or I'm not upset.
Of course I'm upset.
But let me ask you this Dotears bring back the dead?
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No, so why do it?
There's no point.
Do I sit there more and morerespectfully?
Of course I do.
I'm devastated that mygrandfather passed away and this
did really happen, by the way,unfortunately, but thank you.
And at that funeral happen, bythe way, unfortunately, but
thank you.
And at that funeral, did I sheda tear?
(11:29):
No, because I knew if I did, itwasn't going to bring him back
to life.
Music Break (11:36):
I believe most people are good and most mamas
ought to qualify for sainthood.
I believe most Friday nightslook better underneath under
stadium lights.
I believe you love who you loveAin't nothing you should ever
be ashamed of.
I believe this world ain't halfas bad as it looks.
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I believe most people are good.
Sam Mitchell (12:07):
Do I sit there more and more respectfully?
Of course I do.
I'm devastated that mygrandfather passed away and this
did really happen, by the way,unfortunately.
But thank you.
And at that funeral did I sheda tear?
No, because I knew if I did Iwasn't going to bring him back
to life.
Josh Porthouse (12:26):
Do you think that's generally your pattern to
process the world a bit morelogically, a bit more realistic,
and does that help?
Sam Mitchell (12:33):
Yeah, it can.
Sometimes it's too real, Ibelieve, but then I'm also not
afraid to be unreasonable, butnot harmful.
What do you mean?
A great example is coming outwith out-of-the-box solutions
and following through.
That may be unusual, but noone's getting hurt or bleeding
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or dying.
A great example is actually itwas actually in December a
couple years ago, I think, maybea little before that I had a
wisdom tooth removed and wisdomtooth surgery God, probably the
worst surgery I've ever beenthrough Felt pretty bad and my
parents tried it.
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It just got so bad one nightlike I couldn't even think, like
I was literally about to be onmy deathbed.
I felt like.
So then I suggested to my momcan we just go like to the
parking lot and wait, and maybeit's for me to relax, because in
my brain I can trick myselfinto thinking okay, look, I'm
not getting help, but at leastI'm at the building and in my
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brain.
Josh Porthouse (13:43):
That's enough for me to say, okay, at least
I'm here.
Okay, All right.
So then you start to processwhatever the stimuli are in
pieces at a pace you can manageright In retrospect, sure, Okay.
Sam Mitchell (13:58):
Does that always work?
It can to a point, but when yousometimes too sensitive, like
me who has sensory issues, thatdon't work.
I mean, it doesn't work everytime I go in the rain because I
hate my clothes getting wet,mainly my shirt.
Josh Porthouse (14:10):
So then you just avoid the rain entirely, then
no, there's stuff we got likeumbrellas, okay.
Sam Mitchell (14:17):
So there's something, there's something.
There's something for that.
Josh Porthouse (14:21):
An umbrella Right, Right, but there's still
ways to work around all of thesethings.
Sam Mitchell (14:27):
Right, that's what I think.
When there's a will, there's away and, honestly, if there's a
way, that's a little out of thecrazy wound I'm going to do it
Well.
Josh Porthouse (14:38):
Good, because I think everything you're
describing makes you 100% normal.
Everybody else is going throughthe same things.
I get overstimulated in publicspeaking experiences.
It's taken me three years toput this podcast on video, just
because of nerves and anxiety.
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So what we did instead wasproduce it at a pace that I was
more comfortable with my style,my look, my whatever
conversation pattern.
And then, okay, now we can putit on video because we've got a
better routine or because I feelmore comfortable with it, or
whatever it is, and I thinkthat's the case with everybody.
(15:19):
You learn as you grow and buildexperience and you figure out
things that work and things thatdon't.
But in your case, you said youalso advise corporate clients or
businesses how to work withpeople with autism.
Right?
Sam Mitchell (15:35):
Right, I did a conference in Washington DC
called the Neurodiversity in theWorkplace.
That conference was only aboutemployees trying to learn how to
work with those with autism,because they want to hire them,
because they're great employees,but they do not know how to
handle their socializing, theirworks.
They wanted to, but just didn'tknow how to.
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And I was told I'm like youneed to give them a chance,
because we all deserve it don'twe Sure?
Josh Porthouse (16:02):
Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying.
Just because you view the worlddifferently than I do doesn't
make you any less normalexperiencing the world compared
to me.
There's still things I don'tlike that I got to figure out
how to cope with and process.
I just show it differently thanyou, but I show it differently
than any other person as well,like you, compared to anybody
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else you know.
So I don't think you're thatabnormal.
In fact, I think you're a bitmore courageous, if anything,
than people are giving youcredit.
For how many other people?
Let me ask you this Thanks, bud, absolutely.
Let me ask you this as far asnonprofit work is concerned, you
said Autism, rocks and Rolls isa nonprofit right.
Sam Mitchell (16:44):
Yep, it's a podcast, which is the name, and
then the only way it's just anonprofit is we just add the
word corporation after Autism,rocks and Rolls.
Josh Porthouse (16:52):
Okay, all right, sweet, I like simplicity.
So did you know, according tothe Department of Labor and this
is for 2023, since 2024 is notover yet that there were
something like 1.9 millionnonprofits registered in the
United States?
(17:12):
Did you know that there's a lotout there?
I figured there was, though.
Absolutely there's a lot outthere.
I figured there was them,absolutely, and those 1.9
million non-profits employ onaverage, from 2023, 5.5 million
employees around the country.
Even if it's one non-profit withone person, still right, it
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counts, but all of thoseorganizations are responsible
for over $1 trillion in revenuefor 2023 into the US economy.
However, how many hundreds ofmillions of people are living in
the United States?
So for 1%, 2% or whatever itcomes to, of people to have the
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courage to even start anonprofit, let alone provide a
service and help everybody elseto advocate to create jobs,
you're already in a super smallpercentage of really successful
people, in my opinion.
So I don't see what autism hasto do with any of that as a
detriment.
In fact, it sounds like yourautism is your superpower.
Sam Mitchell (18:21):
It has been, and at points I'm not going to lie.
It can get frustrating Because,honestly, like, for example, if
I didn't ask like are you in orout?
My stomach flip-flops Like itfeels awful, like I feel
nauseated.
I'm surprised I'm not throwingup over it.
Do I like doing it?
No, but in my brain do I haveto do it because I'm going to
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puke my guts out.
Josh Porthouse (18:47):
Yes, Sure, well, like we said, clarity is hard
to come by.
You know something I'vedeployed all over the world.
Most of my career has been inthe infantry with the Marine
Corps.
Sam Mitchell (19:00):
Well, hey, it's Veterans Day, so thank you for
your service.
Josh Porthouse (19:02):
I appreciate that.
Thank you for saying that.
But in deploying all over theworld, I've been very nervous,
very scared, very anxious, verydepressed for a bunch of
different reasons over the last15, almost 16 years, and one
thing that I've learned ishaving some confidence in who
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you are and an awareness of howyou come across to other people
can really help to manage asituation in your favor.
Do you think that's the casealso?
Sam Mitchell (19:34):
Yeah, yeah, but I also.
I mean, I agree with you andpart of the reason is I'm not
afraid to sugarcoat.
I don't sugarcoat things.
I will tell you straight up howit is Like my advice.
Josh Porthouse (19:46):
It's not tough love, it's just the truth in my
opinion like you know, socialfeedback, somebody to say, for
example, I don't want to be yourfriend.
People tend to mask that andput up a facade and say you know
, smile to your face but reallythey're not your friend.
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So I think, like in your case,finding a shortcut that works to
know who can be loyal to youand who you can be vulnerable
with, that's important.
Sam Mitchell (20:19):
And I don't think a lot of people do it.
It is, man, I agree.
I 100% agree with you, becausehere's why If you're too
vulnerable, someone's going totake advantage of you.
If you're too loyal, someone'sgoing to take advantage of you.
If you're too defensive, though, people are going to think
you're an ass.
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Sam Mitchell (20:57):
If you're too vulnerable, someone's going to
take advantage of you.
If you're too vulnerable,someone's going to take
advantage of you.
If you're too loyal, someone'sgoing to take advantage of you.
If you're too defensive, though, people are going to think
you're an ass.
Josh Porthouse (21:09):
Yeah, that's true, that's true.
And so learning how todetermine who you can trust, who
you're willing to work with, Ithink helps.
Willing to work with, I thinkhelps.
But one thing I've also noticedis people tend to gravitate
towards other people that sharetheir perspectives or have
similar viewpoints on the world.
You know, for safety orwhatever.
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Do you find that that's similarfor you?
Sam Mitchell (21:36):
Um, you know, no, actually, because it's made the
case with some friends.
Some of my friends have similarbeliefs and some of my friends
have similar interests, butthat's not all of them.
All of them is sometimes, isjust because I like your
personality, like my rule to bearound me is you have to be nice
and just know right from wrong.
(21:57):
If you know that, I'll take youin and I may not like share the
same beliefs as you or sharethe same moral compass as you,
but am I still going todisregard you for that?
No, I mean, I'm not going todisregard my friends who went
railfanning.
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Am I going to squat about atrain?
No, what am I going to do withthem?
Because I want to spend timewith them, yes, and hey, at the
end of the day it makes themhappy.
So as long as they're happy,I'm happy.
Josh Porthouse (22:30):
Sure, sure.
I think there's very fewgenuine people like you in the
world that are willing to bevulnerable up front in the name
of clarity, to deepenrelationships and actually get
to know people.
I think exactly what you'redoing.
Everybody should be takingnotes because the perspective
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that you have on the world, Idon't think it's wrong.
It's certainly differentbecause, like I said, it's not
fake, it's not fabricated andyou know who you are, you know
how you come across to people.
That's powerful insight, man.
I think, if anything, you'reselling yourself short just as a
(23:17):
student.
I think you've got way coolerand way more potential in your
future coming your way.
After the fact, what are yourplans?
Sam Mitchell (23:27):
we'll see.
But, um, that's part of it.
But maybe work at a radiostation, I mean, you know, a lot
of people have always wanted togo to like the big stars.
It's just not me.
I mean.
I appreciate I get theseopportunities.
Maybe one day we'll grow autismrocks and rolls.
But you know, I want todefinitely remember my roots,
and my roots was autism rocksand rolls and Rolls.
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But Autism Rocks and Rolls ispodcast and podcasting is, at
the end of the day, a form ofradio.
So I just want to be asmall-town boy radio station,
kind of is what I've beenthinking.
But hey, if I can grow AutismRocks and Rolls into a bigger
nonprofit like Goodwill, I'mhappy with that too.
Josh Porthouse (24:06):
Yeah, dude, absolutely.
Are you familiar with a mediacorporation called Beasley Media
Group?
Sam Mitchell (24:13):
Mm-mm.
Josh Porthouse (24:15):
So I can't remember their website.
You'll have to look it up.
But Beasley Media radio stationin his small town and he did it
for two years before he wasable to buy another radio
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station and then expand hisreach and further distribute
Since then, over the last 70years or so now since it started
, Beasley Media Group is one ofthe most profitable media
companies based in the UnitedStates of the most profitable
media companies based in theUnited States, with the most
radio stations, televisionchannels and print publication
outlets for their broadcastmedia empire that it's become
(25:02):
now.
Sam Mitchell (25:03):
Geez, I'd look into that.
Josh Porthouse (25:05):
Yeah, man, and it started with small town radio
.
So you never know, dude,there's so many cool
opportunities and, with enoughambition and and willpower,
anything's possible.
It just takes time.
So let me, let me ask you this.
This is a segment of the showthat I call developing character
.
D D D, developing character,and there's a reason for this.
(25:31):
I think everybody's valuesystems are the shortcuts to
identity and relationships andcommunication, and so it's two
questions Answer however youlike, but my first question is
as you were growing up, answerhowever you like, but my first
(25:53):
question is as you were growingup, what were some of the values
that you were exposed to, someof the qualities of life that
you think started to impact youas a kid?
Anything stand out.
Sam Mitchell (26:02):
Well, I mean maybe kind of dark.
But talking about the good, Imean it wasn't all good for me.
I had all the exclusion bullyand stereotyping man.
It wasn't all good for me.
I know the exclusion bully andstereotyping man.
And it got to the point where Ithink, um, I danced with the
devil at an early age.
A lot of it was internal, justbecause I was just frustrated
and because, no matter what Itried, I got pushed off for
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being different and it pushed meinto a doomsday.
Josh Porthouse (26:30):
President ended up in Davy Jones, walker, walker
yeah, just a spiral a bit, andso dealing with all that, I mean
building your perspective, youknow, resiliency, how you viewed
all of this bullying and stuff.
What was that like?
Sam Mitchell (26:45):
oh, awful man.
It got so bad that a lot ofpeople didn't know this.
Not parents didn't know until Itold them them.
As an adult, at the age of 15,I wanted to drink.
Because, I thought in my eyesit'd just be easier to sleep it
off.
Josh Porthouse (27:00):
Well, that's not true, yeah.
Sam Mitchell (27:03):
I know that now, but I didn't see that 15.
Josh Porthouse (27:06):
I get that I was the smallest kid in my class
until probably I went to college.
I don that I was the smallestkid in my class until probably I
went to college.
I don't think I even broke fivefeet tall until partway through
high school, and I didn'treally have any social skills to
speak of in my opinion,especially in hindsight.
But I'll tell you, it wasn'tfor the bullying.
(27:26):
If it wasn't for the amount ofexclusion that, at least in my
head, I felt, because I didn'tknow how to fit into any of
these groups, I don't know thatI would have gotten to where I
am now, because it gave meperspective, it gave me
something to compare to, becauseI never want to feel that way
again, and so now I have apodcast talking to people and,
(27:48):
in my case, to learn better howpeople communicate.
So you never know, there's allsorts of benefits that may help
you out as you grow into thefuture as well.
Saying that, I have anotherquestion for you, though.
So now that you're older you'renot 15 anymore of all the life
(28:08):
experience you've gained, whatare some of your values now that
you find important to you?
Sam Mitchell (28:17):
You don't judge a person based on their wrongings,
but their rights.
You know, you see, are they agood person just by being kind
to one another?
You know, I'm not a guy whojudges a person on smartness.
Should I?
I probably should, but it's asmart thing, but it's not the
right thing.
Josh Porthouse (28:35):
Absolutely.
How do you communicate that toother people?
How do you communicate that toyour friends?
Just tell them repeatedly andhope it sticks, or what works.
Sam Mitchell (28:44):
Hopefully.
We sometimes have deepconversations, and once you get
to know each other and theydon't feel good about themselves
or anything like that, they'llknow.
Like I'll tell you look, I'mnot a guy who judges you based
on you know, one stupid decisionyou made.
Now there's a line.
I do believe there is a line.
That's just my opinion, but doI think, though, you make one
(29:07):
mistake, you're screwed?
Screwed, no, we all make them,we're human, but are you kind
enough to be like well, yeah,I'm not going to take it on you.
Okay, you're good, or are yougoing to learn from?
Josh Porthouse (29:23):
this lesson.
Yeah, okay, you're good, sweet,yeah.
And that's a hard lessonlearned too, because even I
don't know whatever normal is,and if this conversation has
taught anybody anything who'slistening to this, myself
included or watching thisdepending on what platform
you're looking at it on I haveno idea what normal is.
I don't know, because to me,we're all on a spectrum of
(29:44):
normal, so I don't think itmakes any difference until you
start saying this group sharesthis perspective on the world,
or this group shares thisperspective on the world.
Well then, you're more likethat group or you're more like
that group, but all of you arestill normal, and I think
everything you're describingright now, sam, is exactly
(30:05):
common.
Nobody wants to deal withpeople that are rude or unkind
to people.
Everybody wants to hang outwith somebody who's truthful and
authentic and genuine and justa good person.
So I think exactly what you'resaying is about as truthful and
(30:26):
as honest and objective as itcould be.
Sam Mitchell (30:29):
And, honestly, your past don't matter to me now
, and it shouldn't Because Ihave one of the guests, jake the
Snake Roberts, from wrestling.
Did you really yeah?
Josh Porthouse (30:39):
I'm going to look it up.
I'm going to write it downright now so I can look it up.
Sam Mitchell (30:42):
Well, this is his past for you, in case you don't
know.
He's had drug abuse.
Clearly, I think that's beendocumented.
His dad abuse clearly, I thinkthat's been documented.
His dad beat the crap out ofhim as a child for nothing.
His mom's, his, I think,stepmom, sexually assaulted him
and currently he has twograndchildren with autism and
cerebral palsy.
(31:03):
And now today he has copd,which means means he has trouble
breathing, sure, but despitehaving trouble breathing,
despite having his body invadedwhen he didn't want it, despite
getting punched by his dad, he'sstill cracking and going with
(31:23):
his grandchildren.
Josh Porthouse (31:26):
Yeah, that's a powerful lesson too your past
doesn't have to define youreally?
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Sam Mitchell (32:04):
Your past doesn't have to define you really.
Josh Porthouse (32:07):
Absolutely not.
I mean, it's important to knowhow you got to where you are, I
think, so you don't repeat it ifyou don't want to.
It gives you options, but, Iagree, it certainly doesn't
define who you are as a person.
It doesn't have to anyway.
So your podcast then AutismRocks and Rolls.
It's not only about autism, orwhat is it about?
Sam Mitchell (32:26):
I put on their inspiring stories.
I talk about the autismbehavior.
Sometimes I interviewperspectives and their beliefs,
but some of them aren't.
They're literally like if youhave to have Down syndrome, ocd.
I want to make it as inclusiveas possible.
One could even just be a simpleinspiring story.
One great story Amberlee Snyderwas on there once.
(32:48):
She was going down truck andbarrel racing.
Well, unfortunately, in januaryof 2010 I think I think it was
january, maybe february, I'm notfor sure sometime in the 2010s
I think she had a car truckaccident, flipped it upside down
, paralyzed her from the waistdown.
Doctor said you're not going tobarrel race anymore because
(33:11):
it's not possible with paralyzedlegs.
In the doctor's opinion,airely's response wasn't this
exactly Screw you, I'm going todo it.
And she is barrel racing today,really, yes, without the use of
her legs, without the use ofher legs.
I think she has sources.
But yeah, Wow, here's a greatone mandy harvey.
(33:36):
Unfortunately she's.
She was a musician, I think,before, but and I think she had
an ear infection, got sick and,uh, that ear infection caused
her to lose her hearing.
She's still playing music.
How is that possible?
Apparently, she takes her shoesoff and apparently she feels
the vibes through the floor.
Josh Porthouse (33:57):
Wait a minute.
Is this the lady that was onAmerica's Got Talent, or
something Bingo With what was it?
Red hair, I think, Glasses, orsomething.
Sam Mitchell (34:08):
Yep yep, yep, I saw this.
Josh Porthouse (34:11):
What did she?
She played a ukulele.
Yep, that's her.
Yeah, okay, okay, all right,all right, yeah, Okay.
There are so many underratedsuperpowers in the world, is my
theory.
Like your shirt, I haven't seenanybody climb walls like
Spider-Man, right?
But Like your shirt, I haven'tseen anybody climb walls like
(34:33):
Spider-Man, right.
Thanks, dude.
Unbelievable.
So the things that people cando when you have a little bit of
hope and purpose andself-awareness, to me is
unbelievable.
Sam Mitchell (34:48):
I mean it's like have you ever seen Dragon Ball Z
?
My best friend loves DragonBall.
Josh Porthouse (34:52):
Z, so do I.
And to me discovering, or whensomebody discovers that hook or
that skill set or thatunderstanding that they have and
it changes them, it's like thatSuper Saiyan transformation.
But like the first time ithappened in the series, you're
like, oh my gosh, look what I've.
You made it to a new level.
(35:12):
You know what I mean.
You've become a new version ofyou and there's no going back.
I don't think what kinds ofopportunities I mean.
You mentioned speakingengagements, you mentioned the
event planning and obviously thecookie eating contest coming up
here for Christmas.
But like, what is this movementbecoming for you?
(35:34):
What is it doing?
Sam Mitchell (35:36):
Is it raising awareness?
It's giving parents hope forone thing, because when you look
at online, there's not a lot ofpositive resources.
I'm going to be honest.
We did the assessment and it'slike when you get a diagnosis,
the parents think their life isover.
That is a load of BS.
My life's parents was not overNow.
(35:57):
Did she mourn after getting adiagnosis for a couple of days?
Yeah, because not because shehated it.
She was scared that my child'snot going to make it in this
world.
Sure, well, I get it.
Every parent worries about that.
Yeah, I don't know if you havechildren or daughters.
You probably worry about that,regardless if they had autism or
not.
Josh Porthouse (36:16):
Sure.
Sam Mitchell (36:17):
Well, today though , with autism, I'm in college.
I just got done hanging outwith friends.
How am I not making it?
Yeah.
And I know my mom knows, hey,he's's making it, but there's
some people he's like well, he'sstill got that autism yeah, so
(36:39):
that's my thought I agree withyou, but there, but there's
something.
Oh no, he's got that autism.
Josh Porthouse (36:45):
He's not going to make it still you know what's
interesting about that point,though, sam.
It was the same thing in the40s and 50s and 60s and 70s of
all sorts of other differentthings and diagnoses that didn't
mesh up with whatever everybodyelse was being told at their
doctor's point of view in myopinion, I forgot to mention
that.
Sam Mitchell (37:02):
So in my opinion, we are aware of it now, but
we're still not accepting of it,because there's still people
who are like, well, why is hedoing that?
Josh Porthouse (37:12):
yeah, well, it's education, and education takes
time.
There's way more, I think, thatyou can put out into the world
now in 2024, digitally inbroadcast media, than you could
in 1952 broadcast media.
So, of all the places where youcould be desiring to plant
yourself to spread thisawareness, I think you're in
(37:33):
exactly the right spot, dude.
I think it's brilliant exactlyhow you're structuring this and
putting it together.
Sam Mitchell (37:40):
Right, I just want to do something good for the
world.
I've always had a servant'sheart.
I've always wanted to just helpout this population too, but I
never had a chance like dosomething good for the world.
Josh Porthouse (37:50):
I've always wanted to, but an opportunity
never came up until autism rocksand rolls was made sure, sure,
now I haven't gone to yourwebsite yet and looked at your
whole catalog for all your uhepisodes, but have you
considered, or have you alreadyhad, somebody like temple
grandin or somebody Yep?
Sam Mitchell (38:09):
I met Temple Grandin.
I've had Mick Foley on Kane onas two, some American Idol
contestants, american Got Talentcontestants, a lot of people
with inspiring stories.
It's just unbelievable.
These people have had what theycan do despite their condition.
Great example.
Another one Mayna Mayna Mayna.
She recently just got on agt.
(38:31):
When you talk to her stutters,extremely, extremely stuttering,
but when she sings it stops.
Wow, why is that did?
She say that's it.
Josh Porthouse (38:43):
That's a question for amanda, not me okay
, fair enough, fair enough, butit's like you brought up earlier
man once you find out whateverdegree of awareness you've got
about yourself, you can start tofind ways to work around it and
make it work for you, and Ithink that alone is a huge
revelation that you're spreadingto the world of time, One of
(39:08):
them of all of the things thatyou've learned so far talking to
people on your show, Autism,Rocks and Rolls throughout the
course of your own life.
Talking to people family,friends, whatever how do you
view now your own self-worthcompared to the 15-year-old you
(39:31):
when you were getting bulliedand pretty low?
Sam Mitchell (39:34):
Well, it's better than it once was, but there's
definitely still some days, baddays, where I feel like I'm
reliving 15 years old, but inreality it's just people being
busy.
That's interesting, I mean.
I get, we all have lives, but Ifeel like you can still make
(39:56):
time for each other.
Josh Porthouse (39:58):
Well, yeah, that needs to be spread around a lot
more often.
I agree with you and I'm guiltyof it too, but I agree 100%,
Sam.
For anybody that wants tolisten to your show, get
involved with your nonprofit,invite you out to be a speaker,
whatever it is.
How can people reach out andget in touch with you?
Sam Mitchell (40:21):
You can find me on your favorite media platform.
I'm not a hard guy to find.
If you find me on Podbean,spotify, youtube, it's pretty
easy to find me.
If you Google me in your searchengine optimization, something
will pop up okay, all right, andfor everybody who's new to my
show, depending on the playeryou're streaming this
conversation on or watching iton.
You can click see more, showmore or in the drop down for it.
(40:44):
You'll also see links then toautism rocks and rolls website
and then be able to get in touchwith sam through social media
as well, and then you can findhim that way.
Sam, this has been a super coolconversation.
Dude, I'm so glad you made sometime in your schedule to be
able to sit and talk and come onthe show.
I can't say enough I reallyappreciate what you're doing and
(41:07):
your perspective and yourcourage and confidence and
clarity to explain it to peoplein a way that makes sense.
I think you're going in exactlythe right direction, that you
need to be man.
Keep doing what you're doing.
And I'll keep trying.
Thank you again.
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What's up, man?
How you doing.
Sam Mitchell (01:40):
Hey, buddy, good to be here.
Thanks for having me on on.
I just was helping out somefriends before we got started
cleaning up their truck, sure,sure?
Josh Porthouse (01:49):
no, I appreciate you making some time, man.
I understand there's a lot ofother things that can take up
your schedule, especially you'rein college now, right?
Sam Mitchell (01:57):
oh god, yeah, third year, no crap.
Yet last year, my bad last yearof broadcasting as a student.
I hopefully will be getting anassociate's degree afterward.
Josh Porthouse (02:08):
Yeah, congratulations, congratulations
.
What do you want to do withbroadcasting Radio?
Okay, all right, perfect.
Well then, I have a strongfeeling we'll be staying in
touch.
I'd love to follow along withyour journey as well, but so
tell me about it, man.
Let's break it down a littlebit for everybody who's
listening in and watching thisvideo.
Who are you?
(02:29):
Where are you from?
What sort of things are youpaying attention to?
Sam Mitchell (02:33):
I'm Sam Mitchell.
I run the podcast Autism Rocksand Rolls.
It's a podcast about autism andhow we cope with daily
struggles that you may or maynot understand.
Through the podcast it's grownso much.
I've helped sponsors, a boardof eight.
I also do speaking engagements.
I've also spoken at Oklahoma,orlando three times, canada,
twice Stewart, florida andWashington DC.
I'm also the event planner inIndiana.
(02:55):
We have one coming up inDecember which will be Breakfast
with Santa.
It's going to be kind of fun.
We get to have the kids getpictures with Santa, have a
pancake breakfast and then,hopefully after, we'll be having
a cookie eating contest, likeChristmas cookie contest.
Nice To make them or eat themBoth.
You got to make them.
You're going to get the judges.
They are probably mygrandparents and they're going
(03:18):
to be judged on flavor andpresentation.
Josh Porthouse (03:22):
Perfect, perfect , I love it, I love it, I love
it.
So what?
What is it about autism, youthink?
Sam Mitchell (03:29):
gets so misunderstood by people that we
can't do squat, that we can't doanything, that that I'm not
capable of cleaning up a truck,for example, for a basis, but
the fact is they don't think wecould do anything.
There's a whole population ofthe autism.
That is, they consider and Ihate this word, but they just
(03:50):
want me to describe it lowfunctioning, where they can't
use the bathroom on their own,they're in a wheelchair bow,
they don't brush their teeth,and that's some.
I'm not going to deny it.
But there's also a populationlike myself who actually goes to
college and who's actuallyworks and helps out when he can.
And, may I also add, is just,let me lie to an extent.
Josh Porthouse (04:15):
So how do you convey that though I mean you're
not a teacher, you know what Imean?
Is this through your podcastand through the corporation?
Sam Mitchell (04:23):
As much as I don't like to say myself, I'm a
teacher.
I kind of come from it.
My mom's a teacher.
She teaches eighth gradeEnglish.
In essence, the best way I doit is through the podcast, to
show people this is what youthink autism is, and to a point
you're right.
But it's not everything whatyou think.
Josh Porthouse (04:43):
Sure Well, it's a spectrum, a spectrum, right.
So there's someone, one insomeone people forget that.
Sam Mitchell (04:48):
People forget it's a spectrum, yeah, and it's also
so frustrating that they don'tunderstand our social issues
with patients, with having footand mouth syndrome.
No filter, that's something Igot crippling anxiety.
Yeah, I don't understandeffective communication, so
when't understand effectivecommunication.
So when I say effectivecommunication, I'm not talking
(05:08):
about conversations, although Ikind of am not the best with
that either.
I'm talking about the eye rolls, the facial expressions,
gestures, body language.
I don't pay attention to it andsome I don't choose to.
It's the fact I literally can'tbecause I'll overthink it.
Josh Porthouse (05:24):
Oh, interesting, so you consciously tune it out
to just listen to the words orwhatever the conversation is.
Sam Mitchell (05:31):
Because if I looked at it I would be like, oh
crap, what did their eye rollsmean?
Josh Porthouse (05:36):
Okay, okay.
So you just got done with akeynote speech, though you just
got done with all these speakingengagements.
How'd it go?
Sam Mitchell (05:46):
I think it went good.
People thought I was funny andthey liked the presentation
style, so I guess it didsomething right.
Josh Porthouse (05:55):
Yeah, man, Good job, Good job.
But then for yourselfidentifying all this, I mean, to
a certain degree, the amount ofself-awareness that you've
grown into and that you'velearned is exponentially more
than most of the population inthe United States especially.
So is that a conscious effort?
(06:16):
Is that just natural to you?
Did it take effort?
How'd you figure it out andlearn about yourself?
Sam Mitchell (06:23):
I'm so sorry, buddy.
I'm afraid I understand yourquestion.
Josh Porthouse (06:26):
Oh cool.
So what I'm asking is to betterunderstand how you prefer to
learn and how you prefer to haveconversations with people.
How'd you figure it out?
Sam Mitchell (06:39):
What I had to do was I socialize my way.
You don't like get out.
I know it sounds cruel, butit's the only way I can do it,
because if I socialize the waypeople do, it just doesn't make
sense.
One way is, for example, whenyou make friends, most of the
time they happen naturally right, like you don't have to ask if
(07:00):
they're in or out.
I can't do that.
I'm going through this rightnow, literally last week, I
asked people who I thought wereinterested in being a friend
instead of let it happennaturally.
Are you interested in hangingout?
I mean, are you in or out?
Josh Porthouse (07:17):
Me Okay, and so that amount of clarity makes the
difference in your personallife making new friends and in
your social life, right?
Sam Mitchell (07:28):
Mm-hmm, and that's what helps.
A lot too in life is clarity,straight communication.
There's a lot of times whenthose on the spectrum don't like
literal thinking.
So he's like, oh, I'm pullingyour leg.
They're going to think you'reliterally pulling their leg off.
Josh Porthouse (07:39):
Sure, okay.
Well then, what about now foryou as a student?
Because every teacher you have,I'm sure, isn't teaching the
same way that works for you, so?
Sam Mitchell (07:50):
Right?
Well, the way I do it is I'mpretty direct with them, like
I'll tell you, listen, this iswhat's going to have to happen
for me to be successful, or it'snot going to work.
And I'm not like.
It's not in a mean rude tone,it's very fair and respectful,
(08:10):
but it's also kind of firm.
Yeah, I think one of myprofessors doesn't like it, but
that's the way I know how tocommunicate.
I came from a family where wedo not hold back.
Josh Porthouse (08:20):
Oh, okay, so let's talk about that a little
bit.
I mean you're, I think she doesit.
Sam Mitchell (08:26):
You're what I said .
I think this professor does it.
Oh, sure, sure, but maybe I'mwrong.
I'm over-reading it.
Josh Porthouse (08:35):
Maybe, maybe, maybe not, because everybody
overthinks things and getsanxious from time to time.
Gets anxious from time to time,but your upbringing, the
environment that you were raisedin I'm sure that helped to
develop your awareness about howpeople communicate, and
yourself, right?
What was that like?
Sam Mitchell (08:55):
I would say so because, in my retrospect, my
family was always important toteach me you better
self-advocate for yourself,because mom and dad aren't going
to be here forever now.
Thankfully, I have them stillin my life and they still have
advocated for me before.
But since I was an itty bittyboy, I was raised to speak up
and when it comes to your rights, know them first of all.
(09:18):
If you think they're notfollowing the law, speak up,
because there are laws for thosewith autism.
Josh Porthouse (09:24):
Yeah, you know I talked to a lady a couple weeks
ago now.
Speak up, because there arelaws for those with autism.
Yeah, you know, I talked to alady a couple weeks ago now and
she was telling me that, of allher travels all around the world
, her dad worked at differentembassies in different countries
, everywhere, and while she wasgrowing up she traveled him
around, followed him around, andshe said one of the things that
(09:46):
she learned was that everybodyin the world that she came
across communicates in threedifferent ways.
One of them tends to be real,objective, kind of fact-oriented
, not by the books.
The other tends to be a littlebit more subjective in their
feelings.
And the other tends to be alittle bit more subjective in
their feelings and sort of moreshallow in their topics.
(10:08):
And then the other group tendsto be a bit more subjective but
a little deeper in their topics,which is generally where I
prefer to sit in myconversations.
But so, for example, this shirtis blue.
I feel like this shirt is blue,or why is this shirt blue?
Are three different types thatshe was talking about, and I've
(10:31):
got some friends who areautistic and function on their
own, they live on their own,they drive vehicles, but they
tend to perceive the world moreobjectively because the emotions
that people exhibit can beoverwhelming, kind of like you
talked about before.
Sam Mitchell (10:48):
Yeah, hey, great example of that is I don't cry
at funerals.
I cause I get where this isgoing because, honestly, here's
my reason why, and it's not thefact I don't.
I'm not crying because I'm madthat they died or I'm not upset.
I'm, of course I'm upset.
They died or I'm not upset.
Of course I'm upset.
But let me ask you this Dotears bring back the dead?
(11:09):
No, so why do it?
There's no point.
Do I sit there more and morerespectfully?
Of course I do.
I'm devastated that mygrandfather passed away and this
did really happen, by the way,unfortunately, but thank you.
And at that funeral happen, bythe way, unfortunately, but
thank you.
And at that funeral, did I sheda tear?
(11:29):
No, because I knew if I did, itwasn't going to bring him back
to life.
Music Break (11:36):
I believe most people are good and most mamas
ought to qualify for sainthood.
I believe most Friday nightslook better underneath under
stadium lights.
I believe you love who you loveAin't nothing you should ever
be ashamed of.
I believe this world ain't halfas bad as it looks.
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I believe most people are good.
Sam Mitchell (12:07):
Do I sit there more and more respectfully?
Of course I do.
I'm devastated that mygrandfather passed away and this
did really happen, by the way,unfortunately.
But thank you.
And at that funeral did I sheda tear?
No, because I knew if I did Iwasn't going to bring him back
to life.
Josh Porthouse (12:26):
Do you think that's generally your pattern to
process the world a bit morelogically, a bit more realistic,
and does that help?
Sam Mitchell (12:33):
Yeah, it can.
Sometimes it's too real, Ibelieve, but then I'm also not
afraid to be unreasonable, butnot harmful.
What do you mean?
A great example is coming outwith out-of-the-box solutions
and following through.
That may be unusual, but noone's getting hurt or bleeding
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or dying.
A great example is actually itwas actually in December a
couple years ago, I think, maybea little before that I had a
wisdom tooth removed and wisdomtooth surgery God, probably the
worst surgery I've ever beenthrough Felt pretty bad and my
parents tried it.
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It just got so bad one nightlike I couldn't even think, like
I was literally about to be onmy deathbed.
I felt like.
So then I suggested to my momcan we just go like to the
parking lot and wait, and maybeit's for me to relax, because in
my brain I can trick myselfinto thinking okay, look, I'm
not getting help, but at leastI'm at the building and in my
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brain.
Josh Porthouse (13:43):
That's enough for me to say, okay, at least
I'm here.
Okay, All right.
So then you start to processwhatever the stimuli are in
pieces at a pace you can manageright In retrospect, sure, Okay.
Sam Mitchell (13:58):
Does that always work?
It can to a point, but when yousometimes too sensitive, like
me who has sensory issues, thatdon't work.
I mean, it doesn't work everytime I go in the rain because I
hate my clothes getting wet,mainly my shirt.
Josh Porthouse (14:10):
So then you just avoid the rain entirely, then
no, there's stuff we got likeumbrellas, okay.
Sam Mitchell (14:17):
So there's something, there's something.
There's something for that.
Josh Porthouse (14:21):
An umbrella Right, Right, but there's still
ways to work around all of thesethings.
Sam Mitchell (14:27):
Right, that's what I think.
When there's a will, there's away and, honestly, if there's a
way, that's a little out of thecrazy wound I'm going to do it
Well.
Josh Porthouse (14:38):
Good, because I think everything you're
describing makes you 100% normal.
Everybody else is going throughthe same things.
I get overstimulated in publicspeaking experiences.
It's taken me three years toput this podcast on video, just
because of nerves and anxiety.
(14:59):
So what we did instead wasproduce it at a pace that I was
more comfortable with my style,my look, my whatever
conversation pattern.
And then, okay, now we can putit on video because we've got a
better routine or because I feelmore comfortable with it, or
whatever it is, and I thinkthat's the case with everybody.
(15:19):
You learn as you grow and buildexperience and you figure out
things that work and things thatdon't.
But in your case, you said youalso advise corporate clients or
businesses how to work withpeople with autism.
Right?
Sam Mitchell (15:35):
Right, I did a conference in Washington DC
called the Neurodiversity in theWorkplace.
That conference was only aboutemployees trying to learn how to
work with those with autism,because they want to hire them,
because they're great employees,but they do not know how to
handle their socializing, theirworks.
They wanted to, but just didn'tknow how to.
(15:55):
And I was told I'm like youneed to give them a chance,
because we all deserve it don'twe Sure?
Josh Porthouse (16:02):
Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying.
Just because you view the worlddifferently than I do doesn't
make you any less normalexperiencing the world compared
to me.
There's still things I don'tlike that I got to figure out
how to cope with and process.
I just show it differently thanyou, but I show it differently
than any other person as well,like you, compared to anybody
(16:24):
else you know.
So I don't think you're thatabnormal.
In fact, I think you're a bitmore courageous, if anything,
than people are giving youcredit.
For how many other people?
Let me ask you this Thanks, bud, absolutely.
Let me ask you this as far asnonprofit work is concerned, you
said Autism, rocks and Rolls isa nonprofit right.
Sam Mitchell (16:44):
Yep, it's a podcast, which is the name, and
then the only way it's just anonprofit is we just add the
word corporation after Autism,rocks and Rolls.
Josh Porthouse (16:52):
Okay, all right, sweet, I like simplicity.
So did you know, according tothe Department of Labor and this
is for 2023, since 2024 is notover yet that there were
something like 1.9 millionnonprofits registered in the
United States?
(17:12):
Did you know that there's a lotout there?
I figured there was, though.
Absolutely there's a lot outthere.
I figured there was them,absolutely, and those 1.9
million non-profits employ onaverage, from 2023, 5.5 million
employees around the country.
Even if it's one non-profit withone person, still right, it
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counts, but all of thoseorganizations are responsible
for over $1 trillion in revenuefor 2023 into the US economy.
However, how many hundreds ofmillions of people are living in
the United States?
So for 1%, 2% or whatever itcomes to, of people to have the
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courage to even start anonprofit, let alone provide a
service and help everybody elseto advocate to create jobs,
you're already in a super smallpercentage of really successful
people, in my opinion.
So I don't see what autism hasto do with any of that as a
detriment.
In fact, it sounds like yourautism is your superpower.
Sam Mitchell (18:21):
It has been, and at points I'm not going to lie.
It can get frustrating Because,honestly, like, for example, if
I didn't ask like are you in orout?
My stomach flip-flops Like itfeels awful, like I feel
nauseated.
I'm surprised I'm not throwingup over it.
Do I like doing it?
No, but in my brain do I haveto do it because I'm going to
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puke my guts out.
Josh Porthouse (18:47):
Yes, Sure, well, like we said, clarity is hard
to come by.
You know something I'vedeployed all over the world.
Most of my career has been inthe infantry with the Marine
Corps.
Sam Mitchell (19:00):
Well, hey, it's Veterans Day, so thank you for
your service.
Josh Porthouse (19:02):
I appreciate that.
Thank you for saying that.
But in deploying all over theworld, I've been very nervous,
very scared, very anxious, verydepressed for a bunch of
different reasons over the last15, almost 16 years, and one
thing that I've learned ishaving some confidence in who
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you are and an awareness of howyou come across to other people
can really help to manage asituation in your favor.
Do you think that's the casealso?
Sam Mitchell (19:34):
Yeah, yeah, but I also.
I mean, I agree with you andpart of the reason is I'm not
afraid to sugarcoat.
I don't sugarcoat things.
I will tell you straight up howit is Like my advice.
Josh Porthouse (19:46):
It's not tough love, it's just the truth in my
opinion like you know, socialfeedback, somebody to say, for
example, I don't want to be yourfriend.
People tend to mask that andput up a facade and say you know
, smile to your face but reallythey're not your friend.
(20:12):
So I think, like in your case,finding a shortcut that works to
know who can be loyal to youand who you can be vulnerable
with, that's important.
Sam Mitchell (20:19):
And I don't think a lot of people do it.
It is, man, I agree.
I 100% agree with you, becausehere's why If you're too
vulnerable, someone's going totake advantage of you.
If you're too loyal, someone'sgoing to take advantage of you.
If you're too defensive, though, people are going to think
you're an ass.
Josh Porthouse (20:39):
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Sam Mitchell (20:57):
If you're too vulnerable, someone's going to
take advantage of you.
If you're too vulnerable,someone's going to take
advantage of you.
If you're too loyal, someone'sgoing to take advantage of you.
If you're too defensive, though, people are going to think
you're an ass.
Josh Porthouse (21:09):
Yeah, that's true, that's true.
And so learning how todetermine who you can trust, who
you're willing to work with, Ithink helps.
Willing to work with, I thinkhelps.
But one thing I've also noticedis people tend to gravitate
towards other people that sharetheir perspectives or have
similar viewpoints on the world.
You know, for safety orwhatever.
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Do you find that that's similarfor you?
Sam Mitchell (21:36):
Um, you know, no, actually, because it's made the
case with some friends.
Some of my friends have similarbeliefs and some of my friends
have similar interests, butthat's not all of them.
All of them is sometimes, isjust because I like your
personality, like my rule to bearound me is you have to be nice
and just know right from wrong.
(21:57):
If you know that, I'll take youin and I may not like share the
same beliefs as you or sharethe same moral compass as you,
but am I still going todisregard you for that?
No, I mean, I'm not going todisregard my friends who went
railfanning.
(22:18):
Am I going to squat about atrain?
No, what am I going to do withthem?
Because I want to spend timewith them, yes, and hey, at the
end of the day it makes themhappy.
So as long as they're happy,I'm happy.
Josh Porthouse (22:30):
Sure, sure.
I think there's very fewgenuine people like you in the
world that are willing to bevulnerable up front in the name
of clarity, to deepenrelationships and actually get
to know people.
I think exactly what you'redoing.
Everybody should be takingnotes because the perspective
(22:56):
that you have on the world, Idon't think it's wrong.
It's certainly differentbecause, like I said, it's not
fake, it's not fabricated andyou know who you are, you know
how you come across to people.
That's powerful insight, man.
I think, if anything, you'reselling yourself short just as a
(23:17):
student.
I think you've got way coolerand way more potential in your
future coming your way.
After the fact, what are yourplans?
Sam Mitchell (23:27):
we'll see.
But, um, that's part of it.
But maybe work at a radiostation, I mean, you know, a lot
of people have always wanted togo to like the big stars.
It's just not me.
I mean.
I appreciate I get theseopportunities.
Maybe one day we'll grow autismrocks and rolls.
But you know, I want todefinitely remember my roots,
and my roots was autism rocksand rolls and Rolls.
(23:48):
But Autism Rocks and Rolls ispodcast and podcasting is, at
the end of the day, a form ofradio.
So I just want to be asmall-town boy radio station,
kind of is what I've beenthinking.
But hey, if I can grow AutismRocks and Rolls into a bigger
nonprofit like Goodwill, I'mhappy with that too.
Josh Porthouse (24:06):
Yeah, dude, absolutely.
Are you familiar with a mediacorporation called Beasley Media
Group?
Sam Mitchell (24:13):
Mm-mm.
Josh Porthouse (24:15):
So I can't remember their website.
You'll have to look it up.
But Beasley Media radio stationin his small town and he did it
for two years before he wasable to buy another radio
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station and then expand hisreach and further distribute
Since then, over the last 70years or so now since it started
, Beasley Media Group is one ofthe most profitable media
companies based in the UnitedStates of the most profitable
media companies based in theUnited States, with the most
radio stations, televisionchannels and print publication
outlets for their broadcastmedia empire that it's become
(25:02):
now.
Sam Mitchell (25:03):
Geez, I'd look into that.
Josh Porthouse (25:05):
Yeah, man, and it started with small town radio
.
So you never know, dude,there's so many cool
opportunities and, with enoughambition and and willpower,
anything's possible.
It just takes time.
So let me, let me ask you this.
This is a segment of the showthat I call developing character
.
D D D, developing character,and there's a reason for this.
(25:31):
I think everybody's valuesystems are the shortcuts to
identity and relationships andcommunication, and so it's two
questions Answer however youlike, but my first question is
as you were growing up, answerhowever you like, but my first
(25:53):
question is as you were growingup, what were some of the values
that you were exposed to, someof the qualities of life that
you think started to impact youas a kid?
Anything stand out.
Sam Mitchell (26:02):
Well, I mean maybe kind of dark.
But talking about the good, Imean it wasn't all good for me.
I had all the exclusion bullyand stereotyping man.
It wasn't all good for me.
I know the exclusion bully andstereotyping man.
And it got to the point where Ithink, um, I danced with the
devil at an early age.
A lot of it was internal, justbecause I was just frustrated
and because, no matter what Itried, I got pushed off for
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being different and it pushed meinto a doomsday.
Josh Porthouse (26:30):
President ended up in Davy Jones, walker, walker
yeah, just a spiral a bit, andso dealing with all that, I mean
building your perspective, youknow, resiliency, how you viewed
all of this bullying and stuff.
What was that like?
Sam Mitchell (26:45):
oh, awful man.
It got so bad that a lot ofpeople didn't know this.
Not parents didn't know until Itold them them.
As an adult, at the age of 15,I wanted to drink.
Because, I thought in my eyesit'd just be easier to sleep it
off.
Josh Porthouse (27:00):
Well, that's not true, yeah.
Sam Mitchell (27:03):
I know that now, but I didn't see that 15.
Josh Porthouse (27:06):
I get that I was the smallest kid in my class
until probably I went to college.
I don that I was the smallestkid in my class until probably I
went to college.
I don't think I even broke fivefeet tall until partway through
high school, and I didn'treally have any social skills to
speak of in my opinion,especially in hindsight.
But I'll tell you, it wasn'tfor the bullying.
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If it wasn't for the amount ofexclusion that, at least in my
head, I felt, because I didn'tknow how to fit into any of
these groups, I don't know thatI would have gotten to where I
am now, because it gave meperspective, it gave me
something to compare to, becauseI never want to feel that way
again, and so now I have apodcast talking to people and,
(27:48):
in my case, to learn better howpeople communicate.
So you never know, there's allsorts of benefits that may help
you out as you grow into thefuture as well.
Saying that, I have anotherquestion for you, though.
So now that you're older you'renot 15 anymore of all the life
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experience you've gained, whatare some of your values now that
you find important to you?
Sam Mitchell (28:17):
You don't judge a person based on their wrongings,
but their rights.
You know, you see, are they agood person just by being kind
to one another?
You know, I'm not a guy whojudges a person on smartness.
Should I?
I probably should, but it's asmart thing, but it's not the
right thing.
Josh Porthouse (28:35):
Absolutely.
How do you communicate that toother people?
How do you communicate that toyour friends?
Just tell them repeatedly andhope it sticks, or what works.
Sam Mitchell (28:44):
Hopefully.
We sometimes have deepconversations, and once you get
to know each other and theydon't feel good about themselves
or anything like that, they'llknow.
Like I'll tell you look, I'mnot a guy who judges you based
on you know, one stupid decisionyou made.
Now there's a line.
I do believe there is a line.
That's just my opinion, but doI think, though, you make one
(29:07):
mistake, you're screwed?
Screwed, no, we all make them,we're human, but are you kind
enough to be like well, yeah,I'm not going to take it on you.
Okay, you're good, or are yougoing to learn from?
Josh Porthouse (29:23):
this lesson.
Yeah, okay, you're good, sweet,yeah.
And that's a hard lessonlearned too, because even I
don't know whatever normal is,and if this conversation has
taught anybody anything who'slistening to this, myself
included or watching thisdepending on what platform
you're looking at it on I haveno idea what normal is.
I don't know, because to me,we're all on a spectrum of
(29:44):
normal, so I don't think itmakes any difference until you
start saying this group sharesthis perspective on the world,
or this group shares thisperspective on the world.
Well then, you're more likethat group or you're more like
that group, but all of you arestill normal, and I think
everything you're describingright now, sam, is exactly
(30:05):
common.
Nobody wants to deal withpeople that are rude or unkind
to people.
Everybody wants to hang outwith somebody who's truthful and
authentic and genuine and justa good person.
So I think exactly what you'resaying is about as truthful and
(30:26):
as honest and objective as itcould be.
Sam Mitchell (30:29):
And, honestly, your past don't matter to me now
, and it shouldn't Because Ihave one of the guests, jake the
Snake Roberts, from wrestling.
Did you really yeah?
Josh Porthouse (30:39):
I'm going to look it up.
I'm going to write it downright now so I can look it up.
Sam Mitchell (30:42):
Well, this is his past for you, in case you don't
know.
He's had drug abuse.
Clearly, I think that's beendocumented.
His dad abuse clearly, I thinkthat's been documented.
His dad beat the crap out ofhim as a child for nothing.
His mom's, his, I think,stepmom, sexually assaulted him
and currently he has twograndchildren with autism and
cerebral palsy.
(31:03):
And now today he has copd,which means means he has trouble
breathing, sure, but despitehaving trouble breathing,
despite having his body invadedwhen he didn't want it, despite
getting punched by his dad, he'sstill cracking and going with
(31:23):
his grandchildren.
Josh Porthouse (31:26):
Yeah, that's a powerful lesson too your past
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Sam Mitchell (32:04):
Your past doesn't have to define you really.
Josh Porthouse (32:07):
Absolutely not.
I mean, it's important to knowhow you got to where you are, I
think, so you don't repeat it ifyou don't want to.
It gives you options, but, Iagree, it certainly doesn't
define who you are as a person.
It doesn't have to anyway.
So your podcast then AutismRocks and Rolls.
It's not only about autism, orwhat is it about?
Sam Mitchell (32:26):
I put on their inspiring stories.
I talk about the autismbehavior.
Sometimes I interviewperspectives and their beliefs,
but some of them aren't.
They're literally like if youhave to have Down syndrome, ocd.
I want to make it as inclusiveas possible.
One could even just be a simpleinspiring story.
One great story Amberlee Snyderwas on there once.
(32:48):
She was going down truck andbarrel racing.
Well, unfortunately, in januaryof 2010 I think I think it was
january, maybe february, I'm notfor sure sometime in the 2010s
I think she had a car truckaccident, flipped it upside down
, paralyzed her from the waistdown.
Doctor said you're not going tobarrel race anymore because
(33:11):
it's not possible with paralyzedlegs.
In the doctor's opinion,airely's response wasn't this
exactly Screw you, I'm going todo it.
And she is barrel racing today,really, yes, without the use of
her legs, without the use ofher legs.
I think she has sources.
But yeah, Wow, here's a greatone mandy harvey.
(33:36):
Unfortunately she's.
She was a musician, I think,before, but and I think she had
an ear infection, got sick and,uh, that ear infection caused
her to lose her hearing.
She's still playing music.
How is that possible?
Apparently, she takes her shoesoff and apparently she feels
the vibes through the floor.
Josh Porthouse (33:57):
Wait a minute.
Is this the lady that was onAmerica's Got Talent, or
something Bingo With what was it?
Red hair, I think, Glasses, orsomething.
Sam Mitchell (34:08):
Yep yep, yep, I saw this.
Josh Porthouse (34:11):
What did she?
She played a ukulele.
Yep, that's her.
Yeah, okay, okay, all right,all right, yeah, Okay.
There are so many underratedsuperpowers in the world, is my
theory.
Like your shirt, I haven't seenanybody climb walls like
Spider-Man, right?
But Like your shirt, I haven'tseen anybody climb walls like
(34:33):
Spider-Man, right.
Thanks, dude.
Unbelievable.
So the things that people cando when you have a little bit of
hope and purpose andself-awareness, to me is
unbelievable.
Sam Mitchell (34:48):
I mean it's like have you ever seen Dragon Ball Z
?
My best friend loves DragonBall.
Josh Porthouse (34:52):
Z, so do I.
And to me discovering, or whensomebody discovers that hook or
that skill set or thatunderstanding that they have and
it changes them, it's like thatSuper Saiyan transformation.
But like the first time ithappened in the series, you're
like, oh my gosh, look what I've.
You made it to a new level.
(35:12):
You know what I mean.
You've become a new version ofyou and there's no going back.
I don't think what kinds ofopportunities I mean.
You mentioned speakingengagements, you mentioned the
event planning and obviously thecookie eating contest coming up
here for Christmas.
But like, what is this movementbecoming for you?
(35:34):
What is it doing?
Sam Mitchell (35:36):
Is it raising awareness?
It's giving parents hope forone thing, because when you look
at online, there's not a lot ofpositive resources.
I'm going to be honest.
We did the assessment and it'slike when you get a diagnosis,
the parents think their life isover.
That is a load of BS.
My life's parents was not overNow.
(35:57):
Did she mourn after getting adiagnosis for a couple of days?
Yeah, because not because shehated it.
She was scared that my child'snot going to make it in this
world.
Sure, well, I get it.
Every parent worries about that.
Yeah, I don't know if you havechildren or daughters.
You probably worry about that,regardless if they had autism or
not.
Josh Porthouse (36:16):
Sure.
Sam Mitchell (36:17):
Well, today though , with autism, I'm in college.
I just got done hanging outwith friends.
How am I not making it?
Yeah.
And I know my mom knows, hey,he's's making it, but there's
some people he's like well, he'sstill got that autism yeah, so
(36:39):
that's my thought I agree withyou, but there, but there's
something.
Oh no, he's got that autism.
Josh Porthouse (36:45):
He's not going to make it still you know what's
interesting about that point,though, sam.
It was the same thing in the40s and 50s and 60s and 70s of
all sorts of other differentthings and diagnoses that didn't
mesh up with whatever everybodyelse was being told at their
doctor's point of view in myopinion, I forgot to mention
that.
Sam Mitchell (37:02):
So in my opinion, we are aware of it now, but
we're still not accepting of it,because there's still people
who are like, well, why is hedoing that?
Josh Porthouse (37:12):
yeah, well, it's education, and education takes
time.
There's way more, I think, thatyou can put out into the world
now in 2024, digitally inbroadcast media, than you could
in 1952 broadcast media.
So, of all the places where youcould be desiring to plant
yourself to spread thisawareness, I think you're in
(37:33):
exactly the right spot, dude.
I think it's brilliant exactlyhow you're structuring this and
putting it together.
Sam Mitchell (37:40):
Right, I just want to do something good for the
world.
I've always had a servant'sheart.
I've always wanted to just helpout this population too, but I
never had a chance like dosomething good for the world.
Josh Porthouse (37:50):
I've always wanted to, but an opportunity
never came up until autism rocksand rolls was made sure, sure,
now I haven't gone to yourwebsite yet and looked at your
whole catalog for all your uhepisodes, but have you
considered, or have you alreadyhad, somebody like temple
grandin or somebody Yep?
Sam Mitchell (38:09):
I met Temple Grandin.
I've had Mick Foley on Kane onas two, some American Idol
contestants, american Got Talentcontestants, a lot of people
with inspiring stories.
It's just unbelievable.
These people have had what theycan do despite their condition.
Great example.
Another one Mayna Mayna Mayna.
She recently just got on agt.
(38:31):
When you talk to her stutters,extremely, extremely stuttering,
but when she sings it stops.
Wow, why is that did?
She say that's it.
Josh Porthouse (38:43):
That's a question for amanda, not me okay
, fair enough, fair enough, butit's like you brought up earlier
man once you find out whateverdegree of awareness you've got
about yourself, you can start tofind ways to work around it and
make it work for you, and Ithink that alone is a huge
revelation that you're spreadingto the world of time, One of
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them of all of the things thatyou've learned so far talking to
people on your show, Autism,Rocks and Rolls throughout the
course of your own life.
Talking to people family,friends, whatever how do you
view now your own self-worthcompared to the 15-year-old you
(39:31):
when you were getting bulliedand pretty low?
Sam Mitchell (39:34):
Well, it's better than it once was, but there's
definitely still some days, baddays, where I feel like I'm
reliving 15 years old, but inreality it's just people being
busy.
That's interesting, I mean.
I get, we all have lives, but Ifeel like you can still make
(39:56):
time for each other.
Josh Porthouse (39:58):
Well, yeah, that needs to be spread around a lot
more often.
I agree with you and I'm guiltyof it too, but I agree 100%,
Sam.
For anybody that wants tolisten to your show, get
involved with your nonprofit,invite you out to be a speaker,
whatever it is.
How can people reach out andget in touch with you?
Sam Mitchell (40:21):
You can find me on your favorite media platform.
I'm not a hard guy to find.
If you find me on Podbean,spotify, youtube, it's pretty
easy to find me.
If you Google me in your searchengine optimization, something
will pop up okay, all right, andfor everybody who's new to my
show, depending on the playeryou're streaming this
conversation on or watching iton.
You can click see more, showmore or in the drop down for it.
(40:44):
You'll also see links then toautism rocks and rolls website
and then be able to get in touchwith sam through social media
as well, and then you can findhim that way.
Sam, this has been a super coolconversation.
Dude, I'm so glad you made sometime in your schedule to be
able to sit and talk and come onthe show.
I can't say enough I reallyappreciate what you're doing and
(41:07):
your perspective and yourcourage and confidence and
clarity to explain it to peoplein a way that makes sense.
I think you're going in exactlythe right direction, that you
need to be man.
Keep doing what you're doing.
And I'll keep trying.
Thank you again.
Josh Porthouse (41:26):
Absolutely For everybody else.
To listen to all of our otherconversations, go to our website
TransactingValuePodcastcom.
You can click on the homescreen a little button on the
right that says leave avoicemail.
You got two minutes audio timeall yours.
Let us know what you think ofthis conversation.
We can forward it on to Sam aswell.
If you guys have questions, ifyou guys want to let him know
(41:48):
any of your insight as wellMaybe you've got resources he's
unfamiliar with or resources hecan have on his show leave it in
a voicemail on our homepage aswell.
Guys, I appreciate thisopportunity and until next time.
That was Transacting Value.
Thank you to our show partnersand folks.
Thank you for tuning in andappreciating our value as we all
grow through life together.
(42:08):
To check out our otherconversations or even to
contribute through feedbackfollows time, money or talent
and to let us know what youthink of the show, please leave
a review on our website,transactingvaluepodcastcom.
We also stream new episodesevery Monday at 9 am Eastern
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(42:43):
platforms like Spotify, iheartand TuneIn.
You can now hear Transacting.
Thank you, the value of freedomfor future generations, on
behalf of our team and ourglobal ambassadors, as you all
strive to establish clarity andpurpose, ensure social
tranquility and secure theblessings of liberty or
individual sovereignty ofcharacter for yourselves and
your posterity.
(43:03):
We will continue instigatingself-worth, and we'll meet you
there Until next time.
That was Transacting Value.
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