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I got the whiskey. Let me have a drink of your whiskey.
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Better get out of here.
My name's Ken and I clean Willie Nelson's under hole.
Under hole?
I know you don't agree but I think he's the king of country.
Get the fuck out of here.
I tried to be cut for this.
Get out of my studio.
I'm just kidding.
No, hell no.
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From the Ramona radio studios, it's the Travis Billy Ross Outlaw Country Show.
We're here.
Happy Sunday everybody.
Hope everybody had a good week with me as always.
Sweet curbs.
Hey, hey.
We got Eric Goforth.
Hi Travis.
Hi.
It's nice to see you.
Hi, Kurt.
And y'all guess what?
Today we've got the coolest guest I think we've ever had.
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All right.
So San Diego, San Diego Music Award winner in 2020, best pop album, Chloe Lusky.
Miss Chloe Lusky.
How are you my friend?
I'm good.
How are you?
Doing good.
Good to have you here.
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How's curbsy?
How's your sweet curbs?
I'm doing good.
Curbsy.
Drinking whiskey.
Feeling fine.
Closkey.
She's curbsky.
I like it.
All right.
And Eric.
Thanks.
I know.
Is it okay to say I'm fangirling like really bad?
Yeah.
A little bit.
Are you starstruck, Eric?
I am.
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We've got a famous person on the show now.
What?
Award winner.
You guys are weird.
You guys are weird.
If you only knew.
I had her sign my breast today.
Welcome to San Diego.
Travis can tattoo it.
I'll tattoo that on there for you.
Inblazoned forever.
Yeah.
I'm going to have her autographed and then you can tattoo right over the top of it and
it'll be there forever.
Yes.
You know what?
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That would be an honor.
That would be.
I'd be down.
My grandkids will be like, is that really real?
And they'll be like, I met Chloe.
And they're like, oh, jeez.
They're like, oh my God.
They'll be like, who's Chloe?
Who's Chloe?
They'll be like, we went to her concert.
That's so awesome.
Oh, man.
I don't know what it was.
I think it was right around 2018, 19, 17, somewhere around there.
You played at the main stage.
I had never met you before.
And it was.
No, it was after that because I was with you and the boys and I was like, I'm going to
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be the lead.
I'm going to be the lead.
I'm going to be the lead.
I'm going to be the lead.
I'm going to be the lead.
I'm going to be the lead, and I was like, oh, man.
Yeah.
I said, I said you.
I'm going to be on the stage.
I never met you before.
And it was after that I was with you and the boys.
It was like 2000.
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It was 2019.
2019.
It was December of 2019 when everything was on an uptake.
And I was like, oh, my God, 2020 is going to be my year.
Oh, yeah.
Womp, womp.
I just remember because it was something John was hosting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we went with his boys and we both were they were sitting on their phones and like,
you guys were playing.
the Liddells. Yeah. And me and him both were like, dude, this
girl's incredible. Get off your freaking phones and watch this.
Like, this is amazing. My boy, pay attention. You guys made me
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feel really famous when I moved here because you're like, oh my
god, we saw you at the main stage and I was like, what? You
remember that? Yeah. And then you moved here and I'm like,
holy shit, it was a girl. That's awesome. I was so stoked that
you moved here. Oh, I'm stoked to have moved here. Yeah. So
what do you got? What do you got going on coming up? What's
the uh, what's some shows you got? The next big one is uh,
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Monday, Labor Day at the Balboa Organ Pavilion, Sprickles Organ
Pavilion. I'm in this uh, rock band that plays with the actual
organ. So the big ass organ. Yeah. The world's largest out, I
think it's, it's either the world's largest outdoor
instrument or the world's largest outdoor organ. It's one
of those things. It's the world's largest something.
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Should we Google it? I feel like I should Google it. I've
seen, I've been there many times. I've, I've heard that
organ before. You play there semi-regularly-ish. Yeah. So I'm
in the official like rock band that performs with the organ.
Like they don't just let anybody, which is- Do you have a
name for the band or it's just the band? Well, we really wanted
to call ourselves Organism and everybody- Oh, that's kind of
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funny. From the uh, Sprickles Organ Society was like- No. Put a
hard no on that. It sounds like, sounds like another word. We
know that's why it's funny. Organism. Organism, you know,
cause we're like a living thing. It's breathing like the organ,
the organ breathes. I don't know. Anyway, we thought it was
really clever and then they were really shut that down. So
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we've still been calling ourselves the, or what would it be?
Organ Pavilion Rock Band. All right. We've done, pardon my-
We're drinking. You got bubbles. She's drinking a burp. You got
enough to drink there. I do have enough to drink. Thank you.
Okay. We called it, or we've been calling it like the
organization. What did Willie, one of the other singers, he's
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this awesome guy, Willie Fleming. He and his sister have
a band called Finnegan Blue. Anna Lee is her name and they
both play trombone, which was the last concert we did was in,
was on Earth Day. So we do three a year is what we've been
hopefully doing from now on. We were only doing one a year and
it was only on Labor Day. So last year we got the funding, I
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guess, to do the December, we did December Nights. So we did
a bunch of like, we did, is it Black Flag or Bad Religion? I
don't know why. I get those two bands mixed up. They're both
punk rock, right? And we did their like holiday songs with
the organ, which was crazy. That's awesome. Yeah. And then,
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so we did that during, and then we did like a mix of like
hits and then punk rock's not my favorite, but I am an equal
opportunity Christmas carol or right. So I'll take it. It was
like, oh, come all ye faithful. Oh, yes. No, I dare not. I like it. It really was. It's like slipknot. You should start doing metal, Chloe.
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So you want to hear the cool facts about the Spreckle? It's
called the Spreckle's Organ Pavilion. It was, it's the
world's largest outdoor pipe organ with 4,500 pipes and it was
built in 1915 for the 1915 Panama California Exposition.
4,500 pipes? See, it's 2,400 people. Who plays that then
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there for you guys? So his name is Raul Prieto-Ramirez and
he's from Spain. He's the civic organist, so he's like
employed by the city, right? If they're civic, right? Yeah. So
he's like, and he's, you have to be like extra, extra
trained to play these instruments because they're like
historical. Yeah. You know, 1915. Yeah. So my piano was made.
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Fun fact. It's crazy. So yeah, and it's crazy because it's
got, I mean, he's playing with his whole body. So he's like
pressing pedals while he's pressing all these things and he's playing the bottom
like with his feet, like they're his fingers.
That's wild. It's crazy. And so when we do these concerts too, they set up cameras
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and they point the cameras at his feet. Oh, yeah. And so you can, and so they have
like one on his feet and one on his hands.
And then they have these big jumbo screens that they
that they like put out. And so you can watch him play
like up close, but from far away because it's a big. Right. That's wild.
How many is 2300? 2400. 4500. No, 4500. Oh, 4500. Well, it's 4500 pipes.
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Yeah. Oh, and the venue holds 2400 people. Oh, okay.
Yeah. Damn. Yeah. Less people than pipes. That's a lot of pipes.
Well, and I guess like they've had attendance, like attendance numbers in the
like 5000 range because people will come like. They'll stand out by the
small horse statues and all that. Quote on quote. I'm doing air quotes and
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you can't see me. There's like 4500 seats, but there's,
you know, it's a pavilion. So it's this like big, like when you're
standing on stage, you look right across and there's the
like down this like roundabout thingy is the
natural history museum. So you're like it's in that like whole area.
In the middle of that big horse statue. It looks like one of those
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ancient Roman Coliseum things, those half moon kind of Coliseum things with
benches and there's these arches along the back and it's
it's a beautiful, beautiful facility. I remember walking through Balboa Park
when I was a kid and looking up on that one building
where all the ladies are hanging down with their boobs out. Remember
that? You know what I'm talking about? I do not. Next time we go to Balboa Park.
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Natural History Museum. I was eight years old. They were
pointing out. Look at that. It was eight-year-old Travis.
Eight-year-old Travis looking out and seeing it. Oh wow. Bunch of boobies hanging down.
I was probably even seeing the statue at day. That was me in Florida with a naked guy, but
you didn't want to look. I don't want to look at naked women. I didn't want to see
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that. It is crazy like how loud it is too.
My dad worked at the
Globe Theater for a long time and I'm friends with a lot of his
buddies still and they tell me when we're in rehearsals they're like,
hey, they'll text me and they'll be like, hey are you rehearsing? Because I think I
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can hear you singing ACDC right now. Oh wild.
That's crazy. That's funny Anthony. That old Globe Theater. I watched,
what is that? Romeo and Juliet. Oh. The play there and the dude from
Doogie Howser. What's his name? Neil Patrick Harris. Yeah that guy. He was
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Romeo. Was that 20 years ago-ish? Yeah. My dad worked there then.
I remember hearing about it. Shout out to Kevin. Yeah, shout out to Kevin.
He's cool. Everybody knows my cool dad. He's one cool cat. It was like probably
almost 30 years ago now. Yeah probably. I think I was in my early
20s. Yeah, no you were not. If it was 30 years ago you were like
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15 because I was eight. Well it was probably like 25 years ago.
Yeah. I don't know. You know what's crazy? I just know you're much older than me. 25 years ago was like
2000 guys. Isn't that wild? That's wild. I don't like your attitude Chloe.
I just started high school. I don't like it either. You take that bad attitude and go home.
I was a freshman in high school.
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I was 10 years old. Now I know how you feel babe. Or nine? I was nine or ten.
Yeah right. Nobody's older than Eric.
I'm fucking kidding. Better looking than all of us though.
Put a buzzer in your butt.
Alright, I want to hear a Chloe song. Yeah I want to hear a Chloe song too. What song do you want to hear Chloe Lusky?
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What do you want to play first? What were you thinking? I'm going to sing Graceful Waves.
Okay yeah. That's all fun. Yeah Graceful Waves because it kind of marks this like-
When did you write this song? How long ago? I wrote this song about a year and oh this actually is a fun story behind it.
So I wrote this song in like October of 20... oh my god when did I write it? No it was February or March of 2023.
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What are we in? We're in 2024 right? Okay yeah 2023 because I was moving to Ramona California
and I had been living at this really cool place called Graceful Waves called Wild Seeds Ranch
and Catherine Beeks our local Ramonian hosts her game every once in a while. It's like every like
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three months or whatever and she puts out these prompts and I was so determined to write a song
for this prompt even though I knew I couldn't make it to the actual event that was called.
It was um sacred space was the prompt so initially the song was and I will always love your sacred space
and realized that felt a little bit like it was not the right vibe because as much as Graceful Waves
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is also very religious sounding sacred space felt a little bit too like sacred space feels more like
church and this was not a church it was a place and a beautiful place in Zindals or California
um called Wild Seeds Ranch and I was moving and I loved the place so much but it also was time
and I was so ready to move on and it but I was also like sad because I loved it so much so the
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song is all about that place and I it was my first like song that wasn't really about like
a love like an actual like person or like love story with a person it was more of a of a place.
And a little homage. Yeah and an homage. Okay well let's listen to it. There you go.
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Green trees and blue skies walking down that big drive oh yeah I'll miss this place
Memories of long nights desert days and sunlight beautiful in more than one way
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We all need the space to grow wild
When our roots place our footing cold to bathe When it's time to move on it's bittersweet
And I will always love your graceful ways
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Community in colored greens setting plans and sunset scenes this is not goodbye forever
Pumpkin patches pine trees our little forest so green hard times ain't so bad here
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And we all need the space to grow wild
When our roots place our footing cold to bathe When it's time to move on it's bittersweet
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And I will always love your graceful ways
Your winding creek
Wind in your leaves in your leaves
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In your leaves
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And we all need the space to grow
When our roots place our footing cold to fade When it's time to move on it's bittersweet
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And I will always love your graceful ways
And I will always love your graceful ways
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I ain't never been to Barbie Doll time. No, I can't swig that sweet champagne. I'd rather drink beer all night in a tavern or in a honky tonk or on a four-wheel drive.
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I've got posters on my wall of skin and kid and straight. Some people look down on me, but I don't give a rep. I stand there, put it in my own front yard with a baby on my hip.
Cause I'm a redneck woman. I ain't no high-class brawn. I'm just a product of the raise and I say, hey y'all, any harm? And I keep my Christmas lights on on my front porch all year long.
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And I know all the words to every Charlie Daniel song. So here's to all my sisters out there keeping it country. Let me get a big hell yeah from the redneck girls like me. Hell yeah!
Victoria's Secret, well their stuff's real nice. Oh, but I can buy the same damn thing on Walmart's shelf half price. It still looks sexy, just as sexy as those models on TV.
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No, I don't need no designer tag to make my man want me. You might think I'm trashy, a little too hardcore. But in my neck of the woods, I'm just a girl next door.
Hey, I'm a redneck woman. I ain't no high-class brawn. I'm just a product of the raise and I say, hey y'all, any harm? And I keep my Christmas lights on on my front porch all year long.
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And I know all the words to every Tanya Tucker song. So here's to all my sisters out there keeping it country. Let me get a big hell yeah from the redneck girls like me. Hell yeah!
Hell yeah!
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I'm a redneck woman. I ain't no high-class brawn. I'm just a product of the raise and I say, hey y'all, any harm? And I keep my Christmas lights on on my front porch all year long.
And I know all the words to every old folks' Christmas songs. So here's to all my sisters out there keeping it country. Let me get a big hell yeah from the redneck girls like me. Hell yeah!
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Hell yeah! Hell yeah! Hell yeah! Hell yeah! I said hell yeah!
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Shameless plug, sorry. How could I have forgotten?
We're hanging out here with Chloe Lusky. So Chloe, how many bands are you in? I know you're in Sidelong Glances, you're in the Liddell's.
So I'm the front person. Oh yeah, you're in Fluzy too, right? Yeah, but Fluzy is like where we change our name for whatever we're doing now.
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What is it? Oh, now you're the Lucy's for the grape stomp. Yeah, we're like the Lucy's. I don't even know what the actual name. Oh yeah, I didn't scoot back in.
The Lucy's? The Lucy something. Remember how they all dressed up last year? Yeah, and we have to do it again this year.
Lucille Ball. You guys killed it, that was awesome. It was super fun and I'm excited because we've got the... Where was that at?
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It's right across from Vulcan. It's the Julian Grape Stomp at Mangini. There you go, she knows.
So if you've been to Vulcan Mountain, it's in the same parking lot and it's just right behind Vulcan Mountain. Gotcha, okay. Yeah, you just keep going past Vulcan and...
Shout out Jim Hart, he was on our show as well. Vulcan Mountain Winery. Shout out Jim. Yeah. Heck yeah.
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Yeah. Alright, so you're in the Liddells? I've got Chloe Lu in the Liddells. The Sidelong Glances, which is country only. Good Mojo, which is my top 40s rock band, pop, everything.
The only thing we don't play is country, which is kind of why I was like, I need to scratch my country itch.
And then I am a member of the Organ Pavilion Rock Band. I'm also a member of a band called Kick Up the Dust, which is the English Irish band that I go to France with.
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You just got back from France. I did, yeah. Break that down. Yeah, what was... How did that come about?
So this one's a weird one because it's not really... It feels less professionally. It didn't come about as professionally as one might think.
But it did. I mean, I was invited to the Studio West annual party that they'd have at. One of the owners... Manager? No, he's an owner. He's a bar owner.
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Peter Dyson had a party at his house and my partner Alec works there. He's a sound engineer at Studio West. Alec, more if you need sound engineering for your next album.
He's a really great engineer for the studio. He's also really great at mixing, mastering. Anyway, getting off the point.
He took me to this party and at this point we'd been dating for like two years and he told me on the way, he goes, if somebody asks you to sing in like when we start jamming later in the evening,
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once the regular people leave and it's all just the musicians hanging out, if somebody says they need you to sing, you just do it. Like, don't... Do I have to watch my cursing? No, not really.
Okay. Fuck it, we'll do it live. Yeah, he was like, just fucking do it. Like, don't do your usual thing where you're like, I don't want to sing.
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We'll do it live!
That's my favorite sound clip. He laughs like that every time.
It's probably the hundredth time we've heard it. Come on, man. Come on, man.
Anyway, sorry. So we told you, you better fucking sing if they ask. Yeah. And so later in the evening, everyone was a little drunk. I obviously had to have some liquid courage because that's what happens for me.
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And Peter started playing what I recognized as the beat for Spooky and I was like, are you playing Spooky? And he was like, yeah. And he was like, come sing it.
And so I sang it. And then the next day, Peter texted Alec and was like, we need to bring her to France with us. So I didn't know that was like kind of my audition for that band.
So did Alec know that they were potentially going to France or had he gone with them before?
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He had already gone with them earlier in the year. He had gone to the UK for a small tour as well.
And so he knew that there was going to be a France tour the next year because they had apparently talked about it on that trip. And so I think Alec had his intentions, but he also was like, you're good and they need people like you in this band.
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So it was kind of neat because it was like I honestly didn't think it was happening.
Well, and I have to give him credit for recognizing like when I hear your songs on Ramona radio, it's amazing. Like you have an amazing voice. But when I hear you in person, it's like, holy shit.
Like this person is incredible. I agree. Like you have one of the best voices I've ever heard.
Like, wow, so good. Yeah, honestly, I'm going to make it. I'm going to tell you that you're you're right up there with like Adele in my opinion.
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So like you're in person for person that I know in real life. We're making Chloe uncomfortable.
We got more whiskey over here.
Okay, so rock and roll you saying and then country you also sing. Yeah, which one do you like? Which one you like to do better like country or you know what depends.
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I mean, I'm I'm I guess I'm a moody person because it depends on my mood. I'm like, I think that's also why I don't want to close myself off to any genre.
Like I don't want to ever want anybody to be like you're this singer pigeonhole you to one thing. Yeah, I think that's why I slightly got offended that I was in the pop category.
I understand that pop encompasses like kind of every genre in a way as well. So I kind of I get it because like in some days I'm a rock singer and some days I'm a indie indie whatever singer and some days I'm a what's I'm trying to think of like some hipster thing that I'm not cool enough to think of.
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So and then but then there's the days that I'm just saying you know I'm singing country and I'm singing just me which is like kind of I don't know soul and pop and rock all kind of smashed together and I just know you write most of your you write all your songs.
Yeah, that's I think that's the coolest thing like a listen to her music her song it's as a songwriter. It's got to be a it's a trip. Well, I will give a lot of credit to Chris Davies because I wrote a lot of these songs where like I'm writing.
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I'm just here's what I'm singing and this is the melody that comes to me and I do it whatever and then Chris will take it and he'll be like this sounds really good. So Chris is almost he's kind of my producer in a lot of ways like he takes those songs and he's like this is great and then plays music to it and is like here's the song and I'm like what the.
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So then I keep trying not to cuss which is totally not me so it's kind of funny because I just said what the heck you're going to turn it.
But then there's like other days to where like Chris has like some really cool music like dreams and disaster kind of started out that way like he is this was during the pandemic, he sent me this music and I was, I will be fully honest about July 2020 I had fully said I am never I'm not going to be a performer anymore because I hadn't won, and I've learned since then that this is bad thing to do, but I hadn't actually physically sung in four months.
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Like the shutdown happened and I like didn't sing, I think I just, I think I had the wind knocked out of me and I just was, I wouldn't even sing for fun.
You were like on the left lane ripping down the highway ready to go. Totally, I was like I just released my first album I like thought like, God this is going to be great like I really felt this appreciation of the album to like we, I think they announced the nominees for the San Diego Music Awards like two weeks before the shutdown.
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Oh, so you don't even get to go there was not like a ceremony.
Yeah, so there was like an email you got it. No, they did like the regular radio show thing that they do. And then, so they did, it was like, because what I remember is that I was scheduled to perform a showcase, the week that I was getting back from San Francisco which I was in San Francisco and like, everything was decidedly shut down.
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And the time and you can cut so much of this out when you edit and I'm really sorry that I'm a long person. I shut you off.
We'll do a lot. I knew I was I knew I was nominated. I was, I had bought tickets to the to the actual awards show, and it was supposed to be held in April, and then the shutdowns happened like I was supposed to do like the showcase.
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I actually think it was like March 29 or something that it was scheduled for. So, I was like on this like full uptick so I was like, oh my god, like I put out original music and like people are like liking it which is crazy for like, that was the first time I put my own stuff out there and so then,
yeah, so Chris had sent me this music in July, and I remember like shutting the door to my room I lived with my roommate, shout out Lauren Lee Martin she's amazing, wonderful singer, Lauren Lee. That's what her stage name is.
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She's also in, what's, what's her duo with Stucky Lee is her duo, they played and performed in.
She's singing with you in the organ pavilion to yes yeah Lauren Lee is also in the organ pavilion rock band. Yes, she did the songbirds. Yeah, yeah, she's done songbirds Stucky Lee has done the story and tune thing.
I was at the barn that that long ago too. Um, so I closed the door, I remember like recording like I knew what I was singing about I sang it into my mic, like I have like a little recording setup, honestly, probably the first time I had sung in a while, and then
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I tabled it, like I just didn't even think about it. I didn't send it back to Chris and then bounce it back. I just was like whatever, this isn't, this is nothing. And then like a year later, I was, he was like hey have you written anything recently because he's, that's the other wonderful thing
about this is that he's one, the first person who ever like really encouraged me and made it made me feel good about my original stuff. I had like written a lot of songs and felt like cheesy and lame. And I remember sending him some recordings when I was like 24, and he was like, this is really good
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this is has, this is a song you know this is a song because I was like I don't know I don't can't really write like a whole song I just, I like think of things and then I just record them and then I put them away for some day. And, um, yeah, that song, just one day, I was like, what is this thing record that I recorded and
I think it was, I think he sent it to me in July, and I think I finally like worked on it in October and everything's like a date is the name of the recording. And I was like what's this October recording and I like listened to it and I was like this is actually kind of cool.
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And that really sparked everything. Yeah, it honestly did. I mean, and I remember like, I mean, we had already written at that point wrong had been, I mean, that had been in the works, I wrote the melody of wrong. I was driving down Pepper Drive and alcohol, and it like came to me in the car, and I wrote the whole like, I sang that one kind of straight through that sometimes happens like sometimes it feels like I honestly like, this is when I'm like, God, you heard you're giving me these things like is like sometimes they just.
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Literally come out of nowhere and I'm like, oh, here's a melody and lyrics and all of a sudden here's a song and that's kind of how wrong was and then we got Chloe back. Yeah, so yeah, so it's kind of crazy. It's like, yeah, weird. I love it. I want to hear wrong. That's okay. Can we hear it? Yeah, yeah. Are you okay with that? Yeah, yeah, are you mad at me? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's one of my favorite Chloe songs. Yeah, let's hear it.
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Oh,
yeah.
I was born to walk alone.
I never knew that I was a boulder and I wish that I could have told you that the way that I loved you was wrong.
Oh, it was wrong.
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Another street presents itself.
Oh,
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I think.
Oh,
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I think.
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Oh,
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it's wrong.
Oh,
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I think.
Oh,
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I think.
Oh,
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I think.
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