The Hidden Cost of Policing: Navigating Law Enforcement's Ethical Tightrope

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What is it?
What's been going on this week?

Speaker 1 (03:31):
man A lot.
I podcasted my ass offInterview, interview, interview.
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I just posted one that I didyesterday with my dad.
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Now let's see if Ryan can hear us and we're live.
Ryan, can you hear us?
All right, guys you got me.

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Hey, first try, look at us go.
So sorry about that, ryan.
I, I was testing that newequipment.
This is the point I was tryingto get to before.
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that had no channels linked toit.
No, nothing Banning did it.
Let you link your.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
LinkedIn.
It did because I did it withinthat first minute.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Oh, okay, very cool, okay, sweet, all right.
Well, within that first minute.
Oh okay, very cool, okay, sweet, all right.
Well, in that, let's, uh, let's, get to our guest.
Um, we're gonna, we're gonna doit like this, we're gonna make
you center stage there, princessryan, introduce yourself, let
everybody know who you are, whatyou do and how we met yeah, man
.

Speaker 7 (05:21):
Um.
So first thanks for having me.
Uh, I said it's been a longtime coming.
I mean you love to talk.
I we do.
And then to to be here withBanning.
Like I said earlier, legend Seesee, everybody knows you buddy.
Legendary beard.
Just a, just a beast of a man.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
A specimen, if you will.

Speaker 7 (05:45):
Derry Beard, just a beast of a man, a specimen if
you will.
So it's an honor to be here.
But again, ryan Montero, Istarted my career back in late
2003, early 2004.
I've been doing this about 21years and I've kind of bounced
all over the place, which I knowin our profession can kind of

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be looked down upon a little bit.
But it it doesn't have anynegative connotations.
I just, uh, I like toexperience different things.
So I started, uh I started mycareer, uh, as a police officer
in ocean city, maryland.
Um, I did that, did that for avery short period of time
because I had applied to the ussecret service.

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Um, I didn't think I was goingto get hired.
I was only 22 years old, 23years old and, uh, just by, by
some way, they, they actuallyhired me.
Um, so as a 23 year old kid, Ithought I can't pass this up,
right, I mean, it's the USSecret Service and I love being

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a cop.
I was a cop at the beach rightIn Ocean City.
I rode a bicycle up and downthe boardwalk every day.
It was like the best job I'veever had.
The problem with the beach isit's three months, right, the
rest of the year is dead.
So I kind of weighed theoptions and I decided to go with

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the US Secret Service.
Great opportunity.
I was a legacy, my father wascareer US Secret Service
Traveled, did a lot of coolthings, you know.
Met the president, you know didall that stuff George Bush oh,
old school 43 so when I wasthere, like I said, it was super

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cool for a 23 year old kid tobe standing next to the
president with a firearm.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
That's a huge responsibility hold on before
you you go did.
Did the intrusive thoughts evercreep in there Like I could
take out the president?
No.
Keep going, I get it.
I get it, bro.
You can't admit it online.

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I get it.

Speaker 7 (08:04):
No, no, it was.
It was an amazing thing as a 23year old kid.
I mean us secret servicecredentials.
Uh, you know it's.
It makes you pretty popular withthe ladies if you get oh, I got
little secret service badgebunnies absolutely um so I
worked under George W Bush, thenI got transferred to Dick

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Cheney and ultimately the bestway I can describe it is it
didn't satisfy my appetite forlaw enforcement.
Right, it's a great agency.
I'll love it till the day I die, but I was kind of standing
around the White House with mythumb up.
I'll love it till the day I die, but I was kind of standing
around the White House with mythumb up and you know what?

(08:47):
Right, yeah, and and this isabout the time the show the Wire
came out.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh yeah, buddy.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
Fans of the Wire.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
One of the best shows ever.

Speaker 7 (09:00):
Yeah, man, and so I'm .
So I'm constantly watching thatand it's, it's hyping me up.
And you know, I'm going to workevery day and not not that I'm
a fake cop, but I'm not doinganything right it's, it's forced
protection, it's, you know,it's it's executive protection
type work standing there and I'mlike man, this, this, it's just
not me, right?
And so I did the craziest thingthat I've ever done in my life,

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because everybody called mecrazy Everybody all my
co-workers, some of my familymembers.
I quit the US Secret Serviceand I joined the Baltimore City
Police Department, and mainlybecause of the wire, yeah.
And I can.
I can tell you that once Istarted it it satiated that

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appetite for law enforcementthat I had almost immediately.
It's every bit of what the showis.
That show isn't fake at all,other than you know.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Any cop that's done the job watches the Wire and
they're like it's still truetoday.
The way that the drug, the waythat their teams are set up and
the organizations are set up,and the way that you have a
runner, a watcher, a dealer,muscle I mean all of the stuff
it still applies today.

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Tech has changed, but the crimehasn't.

Speaker 7 (10:20):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
Yeah, absolutely.
And you're talking about anopen air drug market.
You know most cops don't everexperience that.
I, I'm sure, I'm sure you know,you guys have, I know where I'm
at.
Yeah, you work in a majormetropolitan type area but an
open air drug market, that'scrazy business.
Uh, it's unlike anything I'veever experienced, but I loved

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every bit of it.
So I, uh, I never meant for fordrug work to be my niche, like
it.
I didn't, uh, I didn't try toget into it.
I kind of fell into it cause Iwas good at it.
So I did most of my time, um,uh, in different narcotics units
.
While I was there.
Um, it was great.
Uh, it was dangerous.

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It's everything that I that Iwanted.
Um, and then you know, I met mywife, right.
Oh, you know.
I started to, my life went in adifferent direction, right, and
so, as much as I wanted tocontinue doing what I was doing,

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it had to go a different way.
So I eventually left.
I had a.
I had a great, a great timethere.
It was everything that I wanted, like I said, but I had to go a
different direction.
I was going to start a familyeverything that I wanted, like I
said, but I had to go adifferent direction.
I was going to start a family,um, so I went back to the
federal side.
Uh, I became a special deputy US Marshall uh started

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contracting um doing executiveprotection at the U S department
of justice.
Um, that made me a lot of money, um, which was good for my
family, um, but again, thumb upthe butt, right, yeah, boring,
real boring Um.
So I had an opportunity uh, Igot hired as a patrol sergeant

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at the university uh, georgeWashington university it was.
It was a great job.
I mean, um, I don't know howmuch you guys know about
university police departments.
They operate very similar toany other.
You know local jurisdiction.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
You got an overlapping for Texas.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
It's a Banning.
Is it a mile, or is it two?
It's well, I think they have itbroken down in feet for
jurisdictional wise.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
But no, no, In the Texas state statute I believe
it's one mile.
Outside of the universityfootprint Outside of the
university's footprint.
Yep, I think that's the overlapfor us.
But all in, in utah, ryan, youtell me if this is true.
Um, hold on before we get going.
I first and foremost.
Uh, I see we have a new personchatting.

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Uh, mayflower kid.
He called us thin blue linegangbangers.
Um, mayflower, I, I'm going tolet you know we don't kick
people here.
Unless you're racist or you'repromoting violence, you can chat
, bro, if you have questions andstuff, please feel free to
actually try to talk to us.

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We will definitely try toanswer all your questions and
whatnot.
This is your chance to.
If you don't like cops, this isa good place to be, because
maybe we can help at least cometogether and reach a mutual
understanding.
It doesn't mean you got to likeus, but we are not going to
kick you if that's what you'relooking for.

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So anyway, ryan, the thing thatI wanted to get to is on
Banning, did you unmute that sonof a bitch again?
On Discord, no, okay, I couldhear an echo for a second, but
when you went to the universityI got two.
This is a two-parter.
First, was there a lot ofretired cops there?

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And then two, how the hell didthey just hire you as a sergeant
?
That's an uncommon thing at adepartment.

Speaker 7 (14:11):
Yeah, so there were a couple retired cops.
But you know the climate in theUS now with law enforcement,
nobody wants to be a cop anymore.
I mean there are people that dowant to, but things have
changed.
You know we discussed itearlier, you know different

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times.
So there was a couple, but itwas kind of a young crowd and
because it was so young I wentin for an interview.
I was tired of.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
That's not you.
I'm banning.
I just muted his mic.
Whatever's talking in thebackground is popping up.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
He doesn't know what it is.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
There was a couple of retired cops, but mainly it was
a young crowd.
Like I said, I left theDepartment of Justice because it
was a young crowd.
Um, and, like I said, I, I, Ileft the department of justice
cause it was boring.
I kind of wanted to, you know,get back into policing, but you
know, obviously my wife didn'twant me to go back to the
trenches.
Right, am I coming through,guys?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, yeah, you're coming through.
Uh, if you could pull your mic.
You want your mic to be about afist away, yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:25):
Sound better.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Oh, there you go, crispy.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, you were just coming in a little low, that's
all yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Yeah, no worries man.
So again a couple of retiredguys, but mainly it was a young
crowd, and I didn't want to workat DOJ anymore.
It was too boring.
I had made the money that Ineeded to make and I wanted to
kind of get back into policework, but again my wife didn't
want me in the trenches, whichwhich I understand.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
You know we had a happy wife, happy life baby.

Speaker 7 (15:51):
Right, right, and I had a little girl at the time
and so I thought this might be agood mix.
Right, I can still be a cop,but it's not a war zone like
West Baltimore.
So I, I went there and Iapplied just as an officer.
But but the chief at the timewas so impressed by my
credentials he said I, I needyou as a patrol Sergeant.

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You'd be wasting you know your,your talents and your
experience as an officer.
So he, he offered me theposition Just cause I've had
supervisor experience, you knowbefore.
It just kind of added up to himand and and've had supervisor
experience, you know before.
Um, it just kind of added up tohim and and and that's where we
went from there and it was.
It was a great thing, but uh,okay.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I'll tell you where that went, If you want to know
well, what I want to do, Ryan,is I definitely want to save
your story for an interview.
I want to do an actual podcastinterview where me and Bam can
sit down.
And I will say it's crazy thatat 23, they had already put you
in front of the president.
I never heard of that, yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
And I wasn't even when I got hired.
I was about 22.
So I think I got to doublecheck this, but I believe at the
time and this is back in 2004,I believe at the time I was the
youngest person ever to gethired by the US Secret Service.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
No shit, damn that's awesome and the fact that your
dad was there too.
That's cool.
As a guy that worked with hisdad.

Speaker 7 (17:21):
It's a beautiful thing, man.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
It is.
It's cool.
It had to have been hard foryou to and we'll get into that
when we interview but it had tobe hard for you to walk away
knowing your dad was he stillthere?

Speaker 7 (17:31):
uh.
So he had retired shortly uhafter.
So, yeah, yeah he, he retiredand then I left, uh, probably
about six, six months later yeaheight maybe eight months,
something like that.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Gotcha, okay, um, let me, let me equal this out here.
Let's see what one's best.
That one's best.
Okay, um, I want to address acouple things.
First and foremost, mag dump,my buddy watching right there.
Um, I'm staring at hisbeautiful buns right now.
Uh, thank you for the uh fivememberships that he gifted.
And to those that got that.

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Speaker 4 (18:30):
That works too, and if people are wondering where
Eric says he's staring right atthem.
Discord If you haven't heardabout our Discord, it's another
social media platform that we'rejust starting on pretty
recently and you can get somedifferent camera views,
different angles, talk to us atdifferent times, send direct
messages, just another option.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yep, I like that.
This Mayflower kid's in herethat's his name, guys not
calling him a kid he said tiredof seeing all the videos of
police beating people up andviolating them.
We get tired of seeing videoslike that too.
So we talk about them, we callthem out when we think it's
justified.
But the part that we askMayflower Kid is that when we

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don't share the same opinion,when we try to tell you that we
think it's justified or it'sfine and here's the reasons why
try not to go at that, thinkingwe're just copsplaining or
bootlicking and all that stuffLike check out our content, look
what we do.
We call out when we think it'sbad, we call out when we think

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it's good.
And then sometimes we call outsomething bad and it turns out
we were wrong.
So we'll correct that later andsay, hey, nope, this cop saw a
gun that we didn't see.
But based on what we saw andknew at the time, this is how we
felt.
But we changed that.
So, just being willing to befluid with your you know, don't

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be so, don't double down onstuff just to double down.
That's all I'm getting at.
But LinkedIn user said how do Idonate to your show you can
donate through our buy a cup ofcoffee.
I think alan or somebody canpost that for us.
Um, I'm not sure who you arebecause it doesn't show me your
username I'm working on.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
It's gonna be, uh, probably coming through banning.
Yep, let's see, it's gonna bedavid cardoso yeah, um.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
And then, uh, country girl, some, some people get uh
up in arms about thin blue lineflags, and again, um, to each
their own.
I've told you guys what thethin blue line means to me.
Again, it just means that if Idie in the line of duty, I know
that my family is going to betaken care of after I'm gone.
That, to me, is the thin blueline.
It's not covering up for people, it's not any of the malicious

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things that you hear, um, but Ican't help the way that
something like that makes youfeel.
So there's that.
I do understand where you guysare coming from on that, but
it's not something that I wouldsay well, I'm not going to have
one ever Now.
I don't like the thin blue linePunisher stickers.
I think that represents a wholedifferent thing banning.

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What's your take on those?

Speaker 4 (21:08):
you know there's a time and a place for it and the
people that truly understandwhat the thin blue line is, just
like what eric explained.
Um, you know, if god forbid, ifsomething happens, somebody out
there righteously serving theircommunity somebody else that's
righteously serving is alsogoing to go help that family
yeah, taking a daughter to promor first day of school or son or

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whatnot.
It's the same as the military,same as at the post office, same
as if you work at McDonald'sHopefully a coworker will help
you if something happens, andthat's all that means for people
to take that to a different andI get it.
I get upset too from from whaty'all send me.
The ones that y'all send memakes me truly upset.

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It doesn't mean anythingtyrannical, uh, at least the
ones that we have on on thisshow.
This is, this is America, andit's a proud for the profession
that you're in and it's nothinglike a, a brotherhood of this
and this and this.
It's people understanding whatpeople are going through every
single day on the street, andthat's all yeah, and that's what
people have turned it into.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
I always say I'm not a thin blue line guy and you
look like what the hell is that?
I'm speaking as an ideology.
Right?
The thin blue line wassomething before they made it
into.
You know what?
What people think it is nowright, yeah, in the house guys.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Uh, ryan, I don't know if you know jerry worms or
if you caught his episode withus.
That's the og of cops I did uhyeah, I saw that first episode
of cops.
Baby jerry, what's up, buddy?
Um, yeah, I uh, you knowflower.
You know, when you're askingquestions like why not an

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American flag, why not this, whynot that, why not a lot of
stuff?
Why did I choose to go with thered and blue light in the
background?
You probably are going toassume because I'm a cop.
If you look closely, it'sbecause I'm a star wars nerd and
that's my favorite two color.
Well, purple, I like the purpleone too.

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So, um, it just happens to fitthe police theme.
That's all.
Um.
So, yeah, it's not so much.
Why not this?
Why not that?

Speaker 4 (23:19):
don't, don't make me show the ai video of you
lightsabering somebody off amovie.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Oh my God, guys.
Okay, so, ryan, we got someupdates to do.
Bannon God, I didn't even thinkabout that.
Yeah, this might be a longpodcast y'all.
Ryan, if at any time you dohave to bow out, let us know,
because sometimes we just go.
You know how it is we go three,four hours.

Speaker 7 (23:41):
This is I love it.
Good hours, so, and this isthis is I love it good, I love
it, baby.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
All right, we got it, we got a trooper.

Speaker 7 (23:47):
So I might have to pee at some point, but yeah, no,
that's the same, here man we'regood speaking of peeing.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Okay, so I went just before the show started okay
what color was it?
And uh, it was a glowing yellow, it was it.
You know, match my shirt, yeah,but but here's the thing.
At 42, how old are you, ryan?

Speaker 7 (24:07):
42.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
42.
Banning 45?
Six, there we go.
Alan is immortal, so thatdoesn't matter.
46.
That'll look a day over 23.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, it's because helives in them.
Dark-ass rooms.
Right, I'm liking the glow,buddy, it looks good.

Speaker 6 (24:30):
Hey, it's slowly coming, it is I have a couple
other things like me right now.
Power hey, next week we'll havea couple more things powered on
.
There we go.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
But I was peeing outside my studio here because
why not?
I'm lazy, I didn't want to walkall the way to my house.
So I'm peeing outside thestudio and I'm realizing like,
oh, there's a bug on the ground.
I'm going to blast him like Iwould as a kid.
My super soaker doesn't shootas hard as it used to.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
You might want to get that checked out, man.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
That's some bullshit, bro.
Remember when you used to beable to piss the wings off a fly
?

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Well, absolutely, and I still can, so you might want
to go get that checked out.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I can't Ryan what's up?
How's your P-stream going, baby?

Speaker 7 (25:19):
It's strong, it's strong, it's real strong, damn
Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Maybe I got to get checked out.
My pee string is not thatstrong.
My mom and babies.
Sorry, mom, you old Dunn Peel 78, 30, 47 here, see Mayflower, I
love it.
Well, the bad police needaccountability.
You're fucking right, they do,and that's what we talk about on

(25:46):
here and that's what we try todo.
You get.
Nobody hates bad cops worsethan the good cops.
At least that's what I hope.
And you know when we, when wetalk about the thin blue line,
we we actually acknowledge thatit does exist.
We've got proof of it existing.
I just don't think it's asrampant as what it's made out to

(26:07):
be.
A clear example of it existingwas when they tossed that old
lady out of that jail that weshared on here.
They threw her out.
They didn't check on her.
Some of them were laughing whenthey went back in, nobody
reported anything.
It was a year later thatanything even happened, because
they happened to get that videothrough a public records request

(26:28):
, and then the only person thatgot named and in trouble was the
dude that threw her, and Ithink that's bullshit.
I think that everybody thereshould do.
I think all of them should havebeen shit canned and all that,
not necessarily.
I don't know what they.
I don't know if maybe they didreport something and there's
nothing came of that, like theperson above that we don't know

(26:48):
um there's.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
there's a lot of unknowns there, but they should
have all and, and it begs thequestion I don't mean to
interrupt you, bro like I said,I come from that old school
mentality, not necessarily atall doing.
You know what you're notsupposed to do.
But when you, when you look atit today, can we talk about how

(27:09):
difficult it must?
I've never had to do it but howdifficult it must be to try to
step in and stop a fellow copfrom doing something crazy.
And and I know the way thepublic views it you should
absolutely do that and they'renot wrong.
But you know that guy yeahmight save your life one day.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's you gotta think it's a mind fuck.
Right, it's a mind fuck, andand I I don't, I don't think
it's just a law enforcementthing, like I remember when I
worked at subway and I saw themanager make like five
sandwiches and give them to afriend as they left bro, you
worked at subway.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, I did all right , yeah, yeah, back in high
school so I worked back whenthey had the stamps.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, really yeah, that bread had to be made fresh,
so uh, but my point is, as Iremember, the manager giving out
five sandwiches and the ownerof the store would come in
occasionally.
And the owner pulled me into aroom and was like have you seen
anybody giving out sandwiches?
And I pussed out I don't know,I just work here.

(28:16):
She gives me a foot longsandwich, even though I'm only
supposed to get a six inch atlunchtime.
Is that OK?
I was so honest, I didn'ttime.
Is that okay?
I was so honest, I didn't wantany smoke.
I was so scared and you didn't.
You didn't want to be a rat,right, right, just be honest,
right like yeah, and so when wehave these discussions, I want
people to like understandexactly what you're saying is

(28:38):
like it isn't necessarily easyfor a for for a lot of people
it's not.

Speaker 7 (28:43):
And and what if that guy's your buddy?
You know, a lot of us are goodfriends, right, and I'm not.
You know, obviously people havetheir point, like they say the
thin blue line, but, like I saidearlier, I'm not.
I don't look at this as anideology.
It was something before peoplemade it this gang ideology and
it's.
You know, to me it's not right.

(29:04):
Yeah, I'm sure you've lostfriends, I've lost friends, like
that's what that means to me.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, oh, I I've never.
I have never overlooked the copdoing something illegal and
I've arrested them.
Um, I had one do a hit and run.
I ended up finding out who theywere, where they were at, and
we got them before he got home.

Speaker 7 (29:24):
Right and it breaks your heart.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, of course he was drunk, but he broke a
14-year-old girl's leg and fledthe scene.
Time to go to prison.
Yep, yep.
You pull that kind of stuff,you're done.
Eye of the Night had a goodstatement here.
It's incumbent upon goodofficers to step in when
officers are overstepping out oftheir bounds.
It's part of your oath, it'spart of adhering to federal and

(29:52):
state constitution, agreed.
And here's part of the reasonwhy when I say what I'm saying,
it's I have never had an officerdo something in front of me
that I didn't get ahead ofbefore it became a thing.
Does that make sense?
Like I had an officer start, Icould tell they were getting
pissed off.
I tapped him out, not likechoked him out, but like tapped
him on the shoulder.
Hey, buddy, I got it.
Go over there.
And and nobody, no officer, hasever pushed through that.

(30:15):
No, no, no, I got it.
Levine, fuck him.
No, I've never had anybody dothat.
I've never.
But I've seen it on videos andshit like that.
So I'll call it out.
But I've in my career, in myalmost 20 years, anytime I've
asked an officer to step back,like the sonia massey thing.
We talk about that one a lot.
It was brought up in the chatlike I would have been so far
ahead of that that it wouldn'thave been a thing it wouldn't it

(30:38):
, we would have never went inthe house to begin with.
But my point is the moment mypartner gets, I'm gonna blow a
fucking hole in your head.
You fucking do that shit.
Whatever he said, all right out, get out.
Get outside, ma'am you.
I sorry about that.
We'll have a good night.
If you got any questions,here's my card.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
Please don't complain isn't it wild that it didn't go
that way right?
Because I I feel the same way.
I mean, it's insane that theywere even even in there yeah, I
know so.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, but um, just going over here to to people's,
to people's things, eric gotdown and scooted towards the
problem officer.
Right, oh for bjj, I get it now.
That's good shit, man.
Yeah, magdump said, izzo saidit best.

(31:31):
You may have to risk your job,pension et cetera, but it takes
the officers to make the change,I agree, and the supervisors.
I think the supervisors are oneof the most important factors
of that.
I think they're just as equallyresponsible as your frontline
officers.
So, because poor supervisioncreates poor officers.

Speaker 7 (31:55):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, so, yeah.
So, banning, let's talk aboutwhat we did last week and why we
didn't have a live when wenormally would.
I'll let you lead it off,because you had a different
experience than I did.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
I did have a different experience and the
experience was amazing.
You know, eric, was it becausewe shared the same room.
Well, no, man, I mean, it was agreat experience.
So you know, eric, it kept mefully informed of everything
going on.
As he's creating this, what youguys are going to know to be

(32:29):
DTV the Donut with PaulinaWilliams and Chris Hatchett, who
are our executive producers,and if I'm screwing up that
title, I don't ultimate respectfor what they do, because I
can't do what they do.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
They're the ones that do all the camera shit and know
all the special people behindthe scenes that we don't know
and it's frigging amazing onwhat they do, because I can't do
what they do.
They're the ones that do allthe camera shit and know all the
special people behind thescenes that we don't know.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
And it's frigging amazing on what they do.
And so Eric said hey, you know,here, in about a month we may,
if everything falls into placewe're going to go to Scottsdale,
arizona, and we're going to dothings with the Scottsdale
Police Department and maybe somestuff with the real-time crime
center and we're going to dosome filming and all this other

(33:09):
stuff.
And I'm like man, this soundsamazing and my mind starts going
wild on what it could be.
And then when I got out thereit was even more wild than what
I thought it could be.
So this is basically what youguys are going to see unfold is
Eric's dream.
I'm going to call it my halfdream, because Eric had a lot
more periods and exclamationpoints at the end on his idea
and the business plan, so tospeak.

(33:29):
But what you guys are going tosee created in these pilot
episodes are frigging nothingless of amazing.
We've got some great peopleJared Cusina, obviously, eric
myself.
We've got Detective MattThornton just some amazing folks
that are going to be out thereand involved in this.
And I don't want to give awayall the amazing stuff.
I'll let Eric say it if hewants to say where we filmed at.

(33:52):
I've already posted some of thelocations.
But for somebody to say you'vegot full reign of a facility for
an entire day of filming, thatmeans that somebody believes in
what you're doing.
It really is and we're bringingout some neat stuff to y'all.
Mayflower Kid I believe that'syour name.

(34:12):
Make sure I'm not messing it up.
I hope you stick around and getto see this stuff.
Mayflower Kid yeah, is thatwhat his name is?
Mayflower Kid.
Mayflower.
Kid, yeah, yeah.
And all the other ones thatmaybe have come to our show to
begin with thinking that we'rethis typical cop stuff.
And when I say typical cop stuff, you know what I mean is we're
not out here as an echo chamber.
We're out here for people,we're out here for the

(34:33):
departments, but when we say thepeople, that's just everybody
that lives in the United States.
We're out here for you, for thegood of all, and that's what
we're bringing to you.
We're going to be bringing younew tech, all the technology
that's involved in this, andit's freaking amazing, and what

(34:56):
we're capable of doing now, in2025 and beyond, with technology
will blow your mind withoutviolating your constitutional
rights, and that's the importantthing here.
Right Is to make sure that lawenforcement is out, not
violating anything but the neattools that they can use to take
bad people, people doing crimesagainst people off the street or
crimes against property, etcetera, and I'll let Eric
capitalize on it more.
But it was an absolute dreamfor me to go out there with the

(35:17):
team and do this, to do this.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, it was.
It was crazy.
So we went to ScottsdaleArizona and we filmed two pilots
.
It was crazy.
So we went to ScottsdaleArizona and we filmed two pilots
.
So we filmed one aboutreal-time crime centers and, uh,
that one was with, uh, me andJared Cosina is the main two for
that.
And then we did one about allthe latest and greatest tech
called tech in order, kind of aplay on words with law and order

(35:40):
, and the tone for tech in order, um, is dude, perfect meets
myth busters meets top gear, sofun atmosphere dicking around.
I think I shot the taser 10, 10times into the dummies junk.
So, uh, the point of it being,again, we want the public to

(36:06):
have some transparency andunderstand the tools that cops
are out there using, what it cando, what it can't do and, at
the same time, law enforcementthemselves and banning.
And Ryan and Alan, I'm bet youguys you're in the same boat
that I was for years, whereyou're just like when a when a
new police tech actually hits atyour department, you're like,

(36:27):
oh shit, I didn't know thisexisted.
It's wild.
Yeah, and, and so the thing isis I want police to know about
all the latest and greatestthat's out there and we're going
to have the discussions aboutdo we think it's good, is it?
You know, maybe does itoverstep Like we want to have a
serious conversation.

(36:48):
Now, the pilot didn't have thatthe pilot.
We just ran out of time andfunding.
It didn't have the discussionboard that we planned to have
with it.
It was just kind of the meatand potatoes and getting done
what we could.
But, yeah, but it will beadapting and you will be able to

(37:21):
see again.
We're going to shoot for like a10 episodesized defibrillator
that police and fire can carryso they could put it in a cargo
pocket, and it works on bothinfants and adults.
That is a game changer, becauseyou could have that on you at
all times instead of having torun to your car or run to a

(37:42):
building or anything like that.
So, like, things like that arewhat we want to highlight and
let first responders know inmilitary, know that the stuff's
out there, it's a tool that youcan help with and, uh and do
good with.
So and then, if we have to, wemay have to tell them like this
may overstep a little bit.
So, um, what do you guys thinkabout Long Island audit bro?

(38:06):
So, um, what do you guys thinkabout long island audit bro?
We had him on the show.
He's our friend.
You missed it.
You need to check that out.
We like long island.
We stay all right, dude.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yeah, sean sean paul ray is is actually, you know, if
you, if you wipe away all theand everybody's got to have
clickable stuff to be ablepeople to come show you get
followers.
But what he's doing out thereand educating man is awesome.

Speaker 7 (38:26):
He's a real auditor.
He's not just some asshole thatgoes up and starts messing with
cops.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I've liked him since he started.
Yep, thigh Me Cat.
I think that's how that'spronounced.
Sergeant Levine, blink twice ifyour wife is forcing you to
wear that shirt.
We got you, man.
Excuse me, haters, this issergeant levine.
Blink twice if your wife isforcing you to wear that shirt.
We got you, man.
Um, excuse me, uh, this isretro rifle, which is our
sponsor and the only shirts Iwear.

(38:53):
So, uh, if you can tell, thisone has a barrett sniper rifle
on it.
Well, basically, guys, retrorifle shirts are.
They're hawaiian pop cultureshirts with guns on them.
It really doesn't get anybetter than that.
Oh, and he's wearing theHarambe shirt tonight and then

(39:13):
banning.
What's banning?
Got on tonight.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Uh, it's my uh, second one that I have and I
can't remember the name of it.
So I'm going to I'm going totry to light it up so you can
see it, Cause you'll know thename of it, if I can get this
light to work.
Sorry guys, I'm in a hotel inAmarillo.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, I can't tell exactly what one that is, but
it's got guns on it, that's allI can tell you, it's comfortable
, it's a.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
They don't wrinkle, they don't.
You can roll this thing up,throw it in your go bag like I
did for this trip, this trip andcome up here and snap it out
and throw it on, and even on afluffy 300 pound guy like me.
I've got a lot of real estateto cover.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
There's no wrinkles Love it, so yeah, so we went out
there another one of oursponsors here.
If you guys wonder about thefancy metal badge I wear on my
outer carry, that I get teasedfor a lot, dude Ryan.
So many people send messageslike oh, he thinks he's a real

(40:10):
cop because he's wearing anouter carrier with a fake badge.

Speaker 7 (40:15):
It cracks me up, dude like how did you get hooked up
with ghost patch with that?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
um, so ghost patch.
Uh, I reached out to him and Ilove him well, it's a cop.
It's a cop owned and so yeah.
And so I reached out to him hisname's eric, uh, and just told
him what I had going on.
I said I, I'm really interestedin getting a patch made.
I just don't know what I wantit to be.
Is there something you can dowith my logo?
And he's like, yeah, I'll workup a concept for you.

(40:42):
He goes, hey, just so, you know, we have these flex badges that
we're about to release.
So they, they, they're, theylook metal, but they're not.
So he goes, I'll make a dealwith you, I'll make you a
hundred of them.
And, uh, you just promote them.
I said, oh shit, okay, let metry.
And so we did.
And ever since, dude, we justhit it off and, uh, I've gotten.

(41:04):
You know our national real-timecrime center association, we
buy all of our stuff to him.
Now, um, you know, I've gotjust, I send everybody that way
because he makes great stuff.
If it was shit, I would, Iwouldn't have stuck with him but
no, it's, it's amazing.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
I've been, I've been with them for a long time,
bought a lot of patches.
You know I'm a kind of a moralepatch guy.
But when I saw the metal badgecome out I was kind of wondering
do they make those?
Or?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
yep, yep, that's crazy.
Yeah, they make them.
Uh, thiamy cat said uh, no fakebadge in canada, minimum two
years less a day in provincialfor impersonating leo.
Well, I guess it all based onthe argument.
I'm not trying to impersonate acop, it's just a metal badge
that says Two Cops, one Donutpodcast.

(41:50):
So I am portraying a podcaster,I don't know.
Canada is a little different.
Freedom of speech andexpression is almost an
exclusive product of Americanactivities.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Where do you stay?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Hey, I can't complain , I grew up.

Speaker 6 (42:16):
Big shout out Marines Blood.
I think it's wearing the exactsame shirt.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Oh, the Marambe, yeah , yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Oh, it has the same one on that oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Whoever's wearing the one I have on, tell me what the
name is so I can freakingremember that's gonna involve
him taking his shirt off, and Igotta see that.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Well, he did that last uh podcast.

Speaker 6 (42:41):
So I was harassing him in the chat I I was like so
why you got a shirt on bro?

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Coming from Alan means a lot.

Speaker 6 (42:51):
That's a new standard around here we get more views.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
This is a man in my heart right here.
The reason why I subscribe andwatch your channel is because
it's as neutral as it can be.
Best of all, the explanationsaid best of all is the
explanation for said situation.
One of my best friends is acanine officer.
Much respect, well, appreciatethat that is.
Uh, that is the exact tone thatI've tried to create for this

(43:15):
show is I will show cops do goodthings.
I will show cops do bad things,but every time I will explain
why it's good, what I think isis good about it, how we can
improve from that, and then thesame thing for bad stuff.
Ryan, you look like you gotsomething on your mind, brother.

Speaker 7 (43:31):
Yeah, I mean I'm glad you brought it up and that's
kind of where we I don't want tosay we get into it.
So I'm not sure, maybe you canfilm me and I kind of feel like
Matt Thornton is kind of thepioneer.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Oh yeah, matt he just calls out bad cop, that's his
stick.
Everything is just calling outbad.

Speaker 7 (43:52):
Would I?
Would I be correct in sayinghe's kind of the pioneer of
police officers calling outother cops?

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, as far as I know, because it was his people
that happened to see what I wasdoing, they must've caught one
where I was calling out a copand they they're like you got to
check out Matt, you got to gotalk to Matt and I didn't, I
didn't know who Matt was, and soand then Matt's people were
doing the same thing to him,like telling him about me, and
that's how we got linked up.
So, yes, matt had a hugefollowing before I ever got on

(44:23):
the scene.
So I would say, yeah, he's thepioneer.

Speaker 7 (44:25):
Yeah, he does, and like a lot of other cops, I was
very critical of Matt when hestarted doing what he was doing.
Again going back to that oldschool mentality, not, you know,
thin blue line, protect eachother at any, you know, even
when people are doing bad stuff.
But it was.

(44:45):
It was kind of in its infancy.
We had never seen that donebefore.
Cops going online to the restof the world calling out other
cops, and of course, of course,the public loved it, right, I
mean, they loved it Like.
This is what we need and toextent, I, I agree, I agree, I
just uh, like, like with mattand the and sometimes with you,

(45:11):
sometimes, uh, the videos youpost and the things you say, I
don't, I don't think it rises tothe level of being called out
right.
Um, and again, it's notpersonal, I love you, you, matt,
matt seems like a great dude.
Um, it's just, we're we'retalking business, right, this is
what we do Um like, for example, there's there's a few examples

(45:34):
, but uh, I don't know.
If you remember, there was avideo of a state trooper I
forget which state um he whenhe's talking like an asshole to
the bike right.
He pulled over the motorcycleright and you started the video.
So I don't know if it's justego or attitude or eric bro, I
watched that video fucking on aloop a hundred times trying to

(45:57):
see what you were seeing.
I just didn't see it, bro, likehe wasn't jovial, you know he
wasn't trying to be the guy'sbest friend.
I just I didn't see what youwere seeing.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, so I felt where I felt like kind of, yeah, I
thought he was treating him likehe was a um, like he was in the
military and that was somebodyfrom another country type thing,
like possible, like he just,and it's kind of a trooper thing
too.
I mean, let's be, yeah.
Yeah, that's why they say theygo to, they go to trooper be
yeah.
Yeah, that's why they say theygo to.

Speaker 7 (46:25):
They go to trooper school right yeah, go to the
police academy.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
They go to trooper school yeah, and to me in
policing, especially for what hecame up on on that particular
video, I just I, I hated it.
I hated every bit of it.
And that doesn't mean I'm right, that's just my opinion on it
and and because I respect youropinion.
I watched it a hundred times.

Speaker 7 (46:43):
I just didn't on it and because I respect your
opinion.
I've watched it a hundred times.
I just didn't see it the wayyou were seeing it.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, and it's biased because of how I am, how I come
across to people.
There was a video Banning.
Remember the video we saw ofthe bad-ass cop that came in God
, now it sounds stupid.
I don't mean to say it that way.
Now it sounds like I'm tryingto say I'm a badass cop.
The, the cop that came into theum, the mail, mail shop, what

(47:14):
do you call it?
Post office, the mail shop?
The, the cop that came into thepost office.
Remember how, how he wastowards that auditor, that's
that's.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
that's the way you and I and a lot of our our, our
people that we work with are,and that doesn't get highlighted
a lot.
Nothing that you know, stufflike that usually never makes it
, and he did a Supreme job on onhow perfectly you should handle
a situation like that.
So you know, I know we're goingto be showing different videos
tonight, but if y'all stickaround, maybe I can talk Eric

(47:44):
into showing a 30 second 90second clip of that dude.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I don't know how to find it right now, I don't know
how to find that one.
Somebody else can find that onebehind the scenes, maybe our
discord people.
But yeah, and so, ryan, thepoint that I'm getting to is
there's a way to talk to peopleto limit the possibility for
things to go wrong.
A hundred percent, and the wayhe came in to me was a way

(48:12):
that's not going to keep thingscalm Now.
Luckily the biker was chill.

Speaker 7 (48:17):
Yeah, yeah.
And I thought, yeah, he wasstiff Definitely.
Yeah, he was stiff definitely.
But I guess it kind of I cansnowball this into to my next
point.
When we, when we talk aboutcops and and the way that they
act, like I said, what do theysay?

(48:38):
Catch, catch more flies withhoney.
Yeah, the old term Um, and Ilove it, like I, I, I love to be
tonight, I love to be nice topeople, um, it always works out
Uh well, most of the time itworks out better.
But at the same time you'rekind of balancing that you can't
be everybody's best friend,right.
You're an authority figure atsome point, right.

(49:00):
And then where does it get tothe point where, if you're, if
you're too cordial, they mightkind of sense some weakness in
you, and that can also go theother way.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I, I feel like yeah, yeah, absolutely, and and and
that I guess that was the pointthat I was trying to get across
in that video is the tone andhow we come across to something
that we have to be critical ofand pay attention to, and the

(49:30):
way that he came across to mewas just an asshole.
He was being a dick.
It was a uh in in base againtotality of circumstance.
Based on what?

Speaker 7 (49:36):
And I'm glad you said that, because uh, me, me and
you have argued before you notargue, but you've seen me, uh,
comment.
I don't want to pass a judgmenton a 30 second clip, right?
So with that video I thoughtwhat if he knows this guy?
What if he's a guy's a nuisancein the area?
He's pulled him over 10 times.

(49:56):
You know how do we know, right?
So I try not to pass judgmenton these clips.
And again, like we've talkedabout before, judgment on these
clips.
And again, like we've talkedabout before, not thin blue line
, but these guys are still there, are brothers, right, like a
lot of these guys that getcalled out.
I guarantee you, if you'regetting your ass kicked on the
side of the street, they'd stillstop and help you, right, right

(50:17):
.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, would you agree with that?
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
And not not that that permits misconduct, but at the
same time and I've said thisbefore I'm human right.
I don't want to end up on twocops, one donut, because I made
a mistake.
Family issues, stress from thejob, Like where, where does

(50:46):
where do we, where do we go withthat in terms of putting cops
out there, calling them out for30 second clips?
We we've talked about thisbefore.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Yeah, and, and for me , the way that I do the videos
and and I think banning's on thethe same mindset is, I want to
learn from them and if we canlearn from them, even if it's 30
seconds, if there's somethingwe can avoid or something we can
talk about or a perspective wecan share, and we find out later

(51:12):
that there was more to thestory, that's an important part
too and, like I've told peoplebefore, I was like listen,
here's the information I have atthe time.
This is how the public's goingto view this video and the
public's going to go to.
They're going to go out thereand put a narrative out
automatically.
Well, why not have a cop?
Because every cop thinks thesame way that you said and I was

(51:33):
the same way.
I'm like, well, I can't sayanything.
There may be more to it andalmost every time there is.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
And you said that to me one time.

Speaker 7 (51:40):
You said every cop says that and I took that.
I took that the wrong way, butI I see your point.
A lot of cops do say that, butjust because there's more to it,
the optics is what that's,that's all that matters when it
comes out right, right.
So why?
You saw what that?
Why?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
not give an opinion based on what we see.
Okay, here's what I see here.
This is what I think the copmay be thinking.
Maybe he's not thinking.
Here's what the suspect did.
Here's what I see here.
This is what I think the copmay be thinking.
Maybe he's not thinking.
Here's what the suspect did.
Here's what I see on both sidesof it, based on what we see at
this time.
Here's why I think the way Ithink.
But that's subject to change andagain, I only have three
minutes at max.
That's the most time I have ona short and real.

(52:18):
So the point is get yourattention, let's start the
discussion and then, in thecomments or a message or on this
live, we will divulge, like.
If I have a video that reallygoes crazy, I'll pull it up on
here and we'll discuss itfurther.
Because that's the point isdiscussion, bringing everybody
to the table and commenting.
But Jerry Worms said that'swhere command presence come into

(52:42):
play.
Yes, command presence isdefinitely a thing when it's
justified.
For sure.
We need those.
Quit clicking it.
Fucking Alan, I'm going topunch you in the face.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Take your shirt off, alan.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
That's what everybody wants to see, everybody asking
for Alan to take his shirt off.
Is that what's going on in theback?

Speaker 6 (53:00):
They're going to have to start buying us a coffee.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
I know All right guys , we're almost an hour in, and
then Craig Holcomb just jumpedin and decided to ruin my
thunder by donating fivememberships.
Thank you, sir, appreciate thatso much.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
Several people are on here talking about Izzo, and
he's actually been on the showquite a bit.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
He's been on the show , not recently, but you know
it's just timing thing with himactually, ryan, I invited you
and iso on this show tonight,but iso's in california
currently, so he couldn't comeon, so man, you gotta have me
back, I that guy is.

Speaker 7 (53:42):
He's a phenom to me.
I hated that dude.
I hated him when he came out.
But once I I I started to, Iwas hearing, but I wasn't
listening.
And once I started to listen,everything changed.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yes, I mean he's a good dude man we don't.
I don't agree with him oneverything.
I especially don't agree withhim on female officers.
I don't agree with him oneverything.
I especially don't agree withhim on female officers.
But he's, you know, the dude.
Definitely he does justify whyhe thinks the way he thinks and
I give him credit.
I just don't always agree withsome of the stuff he does.

(54:17):
But Izzo's a good dude.
He really at the end of the daybecause, like I said, me and
Izzo talk on the phone all thetime I'll constantly plug his
videos.
Izzo is a good dude.
Matt Thornton also obviouslyhe's a part of what we do.
Great dude Copville Pleasecheck out Copville Another great
officer.
Former officer, anti-heropodcast.

(54:38):
My boy Tyler over there andBrent, also two great guys.
These are the people I try tosurround myself with because
they keep us humble, they keepus level-headed, um and it's a
movement that's never been donebefore it is absolutely and and
unfortunately, or fortunatelyfor guys like me, like I'm, a

(54:59):
fence rider, like that's theworst position to be in.
Izzo is where he's at.
He is, he can say whatever.
He's got the freedom to saywhatever he wants I don't I, I,
I can get fired.
So you won't hear me mention mydepartment.
You won't hear me make too manyyou know hard stances on things
that may make my departmentlook bad.
Just in case I got a family, um, heaven forbid I when I retire.

(55:22):
You know, maybe the tech andorder show takes off or whatever
, but um, once I'm off leashit's gonna be a whole other ball
game.
But um, yeah I can't.
Imagine yeah, right, exactly soum, that dude doesn't hold back
at all not a bit I, I do, Ireally, I really love uh iso.
He's a good dude.

Speaker 7 (55:45):
Once I started to listen I completely changed my
opinion.
But I'll be full disclosure Ihated that dude for a hot minute
.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
And I know a lot of people do.
The Marble King, constantine,if I can get you to stop
spamming and actually have aconversation like a grown adult,
if you got something to say,bud, this is definitely the
place for you.
We don't uh, we don'tdiscriminate, we don't hold
people back.
The whole point is to havediscussion.
But you gotta be willing toactually have a discussion and

(56:17):
not just a flame.
Ask a Mayflower kid.
He, he's also on here anddecided he kind of started out
like you and now we got himtalking and he's conversating
with everybody.
So, yeah, mayflower, mayflowerclint said he seems genuine.
So I hope, I hope that's howwe're coming across.
Um, but uh, yeah, oh, brianfahey, he's, he's in jail.

(56:40):
Well, he got arrested.
Anyway.

Speaker 7 (56:42):
Briefly, yeah, he did for for the long island audit
thing yes, he did I didn't readabout that.
When was that?

Speaker 1 (56:49):
uh, just like two or three days ago.
Yeah, it was pretty.
It's fairly new.
Yeah, yeah, I think it was justa class c.
I don't think they got him forall the stuff that they tried,
they're trying to get, you knowwhat agency got him, you know I
don't know.
I would imagine it has to bethat local agency it'd be funny
if it was his agency.
Oh yeah, the troopers that'sthat's.

Speaker 7 (57:08):
That's a wild story.
I have so many opinions aboutthat, yeah, and I you know long
island he.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
He called me that that night, 20 minutes after it
happened, because he needed apolice opinion.
He's like this is what justhappened to me.
He was still amped up, all thatshit and I was telling him.
I was like, well, based on whatyou're telling me, this, that
and the other doesn't soundright.
I was like, but dude, you're amoron for going over to this

(57:38):
man's house.
I was like you are an idiot.

Speaker 7 (57:40):
I'm telling you he goes.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Okay, fair, he gets it.
He's like, but you know, andthis is where he won me over, he
goes when a journalist goesoutside of, you know, the
presidential house or you know,or a governor's house or
anything like hey, can we get acomment on this and all that.
I'm like, ok, yeah, that makessense.
You did the same exact thingokay, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 7 (58:03):
You did the same exact thing.
Yeah, but it does.
It does, but Sean Paul is notKatie Couric.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Okay, let's, let's, let's be real here.
They have a history.
Right, they did have a history,and that's what I makes.

Speaker 7 (58:12):
That makes all the difference.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I said it was.
It was.
I was like I.
I appreciate what you did.
I was like you have ballsbigger than most people I've
ever met.
Sure.
My problem is, dude, you're adad and a husband.
You really took a fucking risk.
That was a stupid, stupid riskto take.

(58:34):
I said I love the fact that youcame out on top with this one,
Despite the fact of beingarrested and being fined a ton
of money.
I said, please, like, call mebefore you do some of this stuff
.
I want to help you see anotherside and then make your decision

(58:55):
well-informed, because that wasvery, very risky.
Now it worked out for him.
I think it's going to work outeven more for him.

Speaker 7 (59:02):
I think his intentions were good.
I'm not going to say out evenmore for him.
I think his intentions weregood.
I'm not going to say anythingabout Sergeant Fahey, but
obviously Sean Paul, there's areason why he's doing what he's
doing.
But you've got to think, man.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
A man's wife and children are in that house as
well.

Speaker 7 (59:19):
That's risky business .

Speaker 1 (59:21):
What is going on in my chat?
We've got a bunch of peoplecoming out.
Listen, this is not a religiouschat.
We're not going to boot you forloving your God, but relax,
just sit and have fun with us.
I want this to be a we couldhave a beer together atmosphere
If we could do that.
Brandar86, what's up, brother?

(59:43):
He said I'm telling you reachout to Southern Draw Law.
I would love to get him on.
It's not that I haven't reachedout before.
Y'all Like please, we need acommunity here.
If you can get Southern DrawLaw on with me, if you can get
his attention, I would love tohave him on for sure.
Have you seen him, ryan?

Speaker 7 (01:00:02):
I have.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, he's, he's legit former cop, knows the law,
um, which is kind of what wewere trying to get out of police
law news.
And then he had his incident.
So we were just like, heybrother, no hard feelings, you
just got to cut ties.
Um, yep, you know, while youfigure out your stuff, I would
love if he could come back onthe show and discuss what
happened and what is what he did, and and all that.
But I I don't want to put himin that position either.

Speaker 7 (01:00:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I figure he'll reach out if he wants to talk about
that, yeah, there'll be a time.

Speaker 6 (01:00:31):
Yep, so it was the police department and it was the
attorney general's office thatdid the investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Oh, was it Beautiful, yeah, long Island.

Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
Disorderly conduct investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Oh, was it beautiful.
Yeah, long island disorderlyconduct.
Um, a reporter near here gothis ass kicked in someone's
front yard.
Yeah, I mean, you got to becareful.
You know, show, jump in hiscomments.
Uh, show me the audits.
You're the person, buddy.
You hook us up.
Show me the audits.
Jumps in here all the time.
You, you've got the connection.
If he sees your name, he'sdefinitely more likely to answer

(01:01:12):
than if he sees two cops whendon't?
He's like it's gonna be someporno, some cop porno.
I'm not gonna talk to that guy.
Um, yeah, jerry said SouthernDraw is awesome, love it.
Thanks, jim Miner.
Great shirt, eric See Yep,brand R86.
Risk versus reward.

(01:01:33):
I love it.
The comments are on firetonight, mayflower Kid.
I hope we're winning you over,brother.
I hope you're giving us achance, because I think you
would have a lot of good thingsto bring to the table to let us
know what we should be lookinginto.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
And if we're not winning you over stick around,
yeah and Banning.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Tell them We've had people on.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Oh, 100%.
We've had a lot of people onthat came in, and nothing
against you, mayflower Kid.
I don't know you from Adam thatdon't understand what we're, uh
, what we're about, and we'rewe're not an echo chamber, we're
not this.
Uh, you know people, you knowwhat?
Was that one guy, I think theone sole person in the world
that we we blocked was the uh,um so, Ladner, ladner, ladner.

(01:02:19):
Ladner and always say, uh uh,self-proclaim this,
self-proclaim this,self-proclaim that we're not
about that.
We all took an oath.
We're here for the people.
We're giving you our opinions.
Are we the expert?
No, but we're a few guys in theroom that have an experience
and we're bringing you ouropinion.
And I know somebody's going tohashtag Banning in his opinion
and that's fine, but it is whatit is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
They're all putting in a thing.
Ladner, yeah, love it.
Shout out to harrison brock.
He said he couldn't make ittonight.
He is one of our most loyalfollowers um, or members, I
don't.
I don't know what to callpeople.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
I feel stupid saying that he's one of our connections
, one of our connections.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yeah, I like the way linkedin does it connections.
Yeah, yeah, ryan, I like theway LinkedIn does it Connections
?

Speaker 6 (01:03:04):
Yeah, ryan's my connection.
The other one we're missingtonight I haven't seen his name
is Mr Billfold.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Yeah, where is Billfold?
He's right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Everybody wants to call him out or something
Hilarious yeah he's been quietlately.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
He's been quiet on Discord, he's been quiet on here
.
I don't know what his deal is.
We might have to work for aliving or something.
Yeah, maybe he's working and onnight shift, or something I
don't know well.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Is he a cop billfold?
No, he hated us, man.
He hated us when we started.
He's a marine and he's got someand he's seen a lot of bad
things on youtube.
And he came in here with hisopinion and he stuck around.
That's the biggest thing.
Is he stuck around to find outwhat we were about?
And to me that means a lot.
Man, somebody wanted to stickaround and find out what we're
about.
I mean, we're not on any sideof anything.
We're that neutral line, if youwant to call it a color for the

(01:04:01):
people, for the officers, foreverybody.

Speaker 7 (01:04:03):
And that's a win, yep .

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yeah, mr Billfold's great and he fucking keeps us on
our toes.

Speaker 7 (01:04:12):
I see that.
I just wasn't sure.
I see what he comments.
I wasn't sure who he was.
If he was, a cop or not becausesome cops say crazy stuff too
right, he has a prettyinteresting story.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
A bad situation where he was with law enforcement.
So he comes from it from adifferent place.
Okay, and so, man, when hefirst got on he was blasted and
he really did come around and Iwould say he's the first one
that got everybody elselistening.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah, okay, yeah, we definitely wouldn't have the
audience we have without him and, like I said you you know,
mayflower kid, I hope this kindof gives you a little hope is,
we had somebody that hated us somuch flip around to the point
where he advocated for us and wehad on the show several times,
um, and to the point where hedebated with a person that

(01:05:02):
usually charges probably around40 grand just to have him come
speak.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
Mr Vaughn clean.
Vaughn clean.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
He is a foremost expert in his career uh, for use
of force and for for science,and he's a fan of the show and
he comes on whenever we ask himto, as long as he's free.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
So what's the evil name you gave on as a joke?
Oh, I don't remember.
Hell, it might have been,because he's got that lex luther
, look, maybe, maybe that wasyeah, lex luther.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I was calling him on luther
.

Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
Yeah, eric, I'm gonna .
I'm gonna disappear for 20seconds bro no worries, brother,
um we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
We'll wait till you get back, and then we'll.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Yeah, you can hit your little mic and your little
camera.
There you go, there it goesAwesome.
Oh, that made us look too close.
I was going to say look how badmy pixels are when you made my
mug.
Yeah, it's too close.
You can tell I'm on my laptopagain because I'm traveling.
I'm up here again.
Texas Panhandle Police OfficerAssociation.

(01:06:09):
We're doing a big lawenforcement show this week and
excited to be up here, man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Yeah, pirate Trek.
I think my first watch was MrBifold talking about qualified
immunity.
He did a great job.
See People remember, and Ithink that's what makes our
platform different.
Tim said want their opinionsand other goof off stuff, go to
the discord and they will throwyou their best opinions.

(01:06:34):
Love it, um.
But I think that's what makesour platform different is we
give people that are the moststaunch anti-cop mindsets and we
allow them to have a platformto say what's on their mind.

Speaker 6 (01:06:51):
Banning.
They are making the comment.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
When are you not traveling, man, I'm going to
tell you something Everybodythinks I travel all the time and
I travel a lot.
But here's the big thing mywife and daughter get to see me
more now than they did as me.
As a patrol supervisor when Iwas at Jack County Sheriff's
Office, because I was always oncall, I got pulled away from

(01:07:15):
more family functions andholidays ever.
And now that I work in theprivate sector I work for Mark
43, I proudly say that thecompany takes care of their
employees.
We do what's called a computeraided dispatch and uh and and
report management system andanalytics suite, and what that
means to you guys is is thetransparency is there for the
public and for the lawenforcement agency is all that

(01:07:35):
means and this is not acommercial for them, but I do
probably work for them Um, theyjust they're, they're, they're
doing it right in the lawenforcement industry and, uh,
they're learning from me as I'mlearning from them.
So it's, it's a great marriage.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Yeah, and Andy, I know you and I we we've been
getting along really greatlately.
We tend to agree on a lot ofthings, but you're way off on
this one.
Um, he said the pro QI guywhich was Vaughn clean was not
honest, just gaslighting.
That is not von style.
Um, he is.
He's a very genuine guy and Iknow that personally and he's

(01:08:10):
he's not going to give youbullshit.
He's going to tell you what heknows and if it doesn't mesh
with what you agree with, wellthat's one thing.
But he's, he's not going to lie.
He's going to tell you what heknows, how he knows it and he is
probably one of the foremostexperts when it comes to
qualified immunity and what he Imean.
It's just, you're not going tofind anybody else.

(01:08:32):
That's not a nerd.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
So what I like about Vaughn is if, if a, if a cop
fucks up, he tells you and hetells you to get them a
comfortable cot in a prisonbecause that's where he's going,
or he tells you they'reinnocent, based on his very,
very educated opinion and here'swhy and breaks down the details
and that to me, man, that's,that's golden, because it's for

(01:08:57):
the public and it's for theagency, and if you can get some
transparency like that, that'swhat every freaking agency needs
in this country.

Speaker 7 (01:09:06):
I'm not familiar with this.
Can you kind of elaborate onwhat you guys are talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
So Von Kleem.
He's changed a couple ofdifferent positions but he's
he's.
He's in the C-suite executivefor for for science.
For science is if you justGoogle that, for everybody
that's watching, anybody canGoogle it they.
They break down body mechanics,mental acuity, not just the
body camera footage.
They look at the totality ofthe call, the, the mindset of

(01:09:34):
the subject, suspect, whateveryou want to call it, to the, the
, the officer or victim, youknow whatever you want to put
titles on people for an incident, and he truly can digest
everything without watching thebody camera footage.
He will digest it all foreverything that's in there, and
then he will come back and hemay or may not watch that body

(01:09:55):
camera footage, but he can tellyou the totality of everything
going on, which truly helps thecase, and I wish we could have
that for every single case thatgoes before a jury.

Speaker 7 (01:10:04):
Yeah, is he an attorney or?

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
He is.
He was a 20 year cop and now Ithink he's a 17 year attorney.
I'll tell you this there's,there's, there's people in DC,
people at a state level, youknow, superior courts that that
absolutely value what Vaughn hasto say, Cause he's got the
knowledge to back it up.
And he, you know, I I'm verycareful when I call somebody an

(01:10:31):
expert, because I would nevercall myself an expert at
anything, because somebody isalways better.
He is truly an expert in hisfield, and I would love for you
to go back and look at a coupleof our shows with Vaughn on and
he's just he's.
He's freelancing with us, he'sjust touching the cusp.
But when you look at his stuffand the stuff that's published
online and the mental acuitythat this guy has is not many

(01:10:51):
people can do what he does.

Speaker 7 (01:10:53):
I will.
I'm surprised I haven't seen it.
I watch most of it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:56):
So he's brought in multiple different cases where
you know agencies will bring himin to testify on.
You know, shoot, no, shootsthings like that in actual
trials and he's the.
He's a very large expert in thefield.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
I agree with.
Show me the audits here,because I've said this and I
think, banny, I think you kindof agreed with me.
Same thing said from the 1Aside.
I'm not about QI removal, justrestructure.
With the indemnity given by theagencies to their employees,
the burden of qualified immunityapplies.
Shouldn't be automatic for theofficer.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
I mean, that's part of the name and I don't mean to
step on your, but that's part ofthe main.
It's qualified immunity.
If you don't qualify for thatimmunity excuse my French, but
fuck you.
If you violate somebody'srights, if you do something
wrong, if you step off thatbeaten path of what you're
supposed to do, screw you.
You know, then you don't getthat qualified immunity period.

(01:11:57):
Now, if you're acting inaccordance with the law, with
your general orders ofeverything that's going on, and
you don't violate the freakingconstitution, then, yes, the
qualified immunity should be inplay.

Speaker 7 (01:12:05):
Yeah, ryan ryan looks frustrated well, just just so
you, you guys go to youtube.
You see the comments, the, thethe grave misunderstanding of
qualified immunity is.
It just boggles me I meanpeople throw that word around
like they know what the fuckthey're talking about, and they
really don't yeah, there's quitea few that don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
There's quite a few that don't.
There's some like Mr Billfoldman.
The dude knows his shit morethan more than me.
He wanted to debate me.
I'm not qualified, not for theimmunity, but I mean I'm not
qualified to debate it.
I was, like I only know it as alayman, what they taught me in
the academy.

Speaker 7 (01:12:50):
I don't really concern myself with it because I
don't violate people's rights,right, right.
And again.
This is where, when I say oldschool mentality, like I get
frustrated.
Like you see a YouTube video,right, and an officer has to use
force, and we all know force itnever looks good, it's always
ugly.
And then every comment bye-bye,bye-bye, qualified immunity.
What are you talking about,right?

(01:13:11):
Yeah, what are you talkingabout?

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
like you have no idea , it's just yeah, and some of
the problems with um qualifiedimmunity is that it sorry there
is a spider crawling in my light.
I can see it.
It's like shadows making itlook huge.
It's distracting the shit outof me.

(01:13:33):
I don't like spiders, but whatthe fuck was I talking about?
Qualified immunity, qualifiedimmunity?
I forget my whole thought.
The spider got me thrown off.
Anyway, we need to get to afucking video.
Okay, so that's what we'regoing to do.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
Hey, while you're doing that, Eric, I just had a
dude walk into my room.
Oh God, that sounds like a face.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Only a mother could love right now.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
Hey, look at that guy .
Hey, now Shards and Sprinklesman.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Listen, you know they make that shirt in a men's size
right.
Be jealous, man, don't bejealous of the sweater.
You need to wear stripes thatgo up and down, not across buddy
.
They ain't doing you any favorson their computer.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
For the many of you that are on here for the first
time.
We all know him as Houston Gasand, as you can see there on the
left side of his face, where isit at Right here?
Yeah, right there.
He's got a great face for radiobecause a subject of a domestic
family violence decided toshoot him point blank in the
face with a 12-gauge shotgun.

(01:14:38):
The dude still alive behind mewith well over 25-plus.
Whatever surgeries toreconstruct that madness.
I didn't donate any ass cheeks,but he made it through it, man,
and he's still here with us.
He just took a whole bunch ofcops out to eat to celebrate
them doing what they do in lawenforcement for the company he

(01:14:58):
works for, which is Code 3Technology.
So he's here now and he's goingto monitor the podcast from the
backside of the room.
Great guy, if y'all missed hispodcast, make sure you come and
watch his.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Little known fact that out of the 25 surgeries to
get the skin back the way thatit was, 25 people donated
nutsack skin to his rapid face.
Whoa, we call him a BalchinianIf you guys that right.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
You threw out some men in black Watch out Jesus.
We got to love us some SergeantSprinkles, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Is that too far, ryan ?
Eric, you're wrong bro.

Speaker 7 (01:15:42):
Did you say Balchinian?

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Yeah, he did, yeah, bro.

Speaker 7 (01:15:44):
Did you say Balchenian yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
he did.
Yeah, bro, I'm going to letHouston sit here for a second
while I make some wrinkly videosAlright, I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Mayflower wrinkly, I love it.
Oh shit, I love it.
Yeah, magdum's right.
This is the thin blue line.
This is what we're talkingabout.
My father gets shot in the faceand what do we do?
We make dick jokes about hisface.
That is the thin blue lineright there.

Speaker 6 (01:16:17):
But he wouldn't expect anything different.
No man.
That's what we do in this lineof work.
Talk in the mic, no man.
That's what we do in this lineof work Talk in the mic.

Speaker 12 (01:16:25):
It's always been my experience that whenever shit
like that is not happening,there's probably something wrong
man, and they don't want to bearound that dude.
I think you can all agree withthat, right there, man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Houston, get closer to the mic.
Oh sorry, Banning it.
You have to eat the ice creamcone.

Speaker 12 (01:16:49):
yeah, yeah read it like your normal saturday night.
It's cylindrical shape so whynot?

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
it's phallically fine , you've got it yes, yes oh shit
, okay.
So the point that I was gettingto guys um, uh, we are going to
go into our video part.
Uh, what we usually do wayearlier in the show, but we had
ryan on here and we wanted tokind of get his background and
all of that.
So, um, what we do now is wepull up body camera videos that

(01:17:20):
we've never seen and we usuallyalways pull them up from the
same place, and tonight's nodifferent.
We went to Police Activity onYouTube.
So shout out to them.
All of our videos are fromPolice Activity.
Viewer discretion advised again, because we don't know what's
going to happen and PoliceActivity likes shooting videos,
so a lot of times there'sshootings involved on that.

(01:17:41):
So just viewer beware.
And the point is notnecessarily to Monday morning
quarterback.
What we do is we pretend we arethe officers in the body camp
and we will tell you what we'rethinking and what we would do
next as the video's progressingand we'll pause and discuss a
lot.
So it's kind of a unique way ofhandling these videos that

(01:18:03):
nobody else is doing.
I do think there are some peopleout there starting to copy what
we do.
I've seen some videos be sharedwith me behind the scenes.
People are messaging me likelook, this person's copying what
you do.
You know, imitation is the bestflattery, I guess, so that's
great.
I'm glad that there's otherpeople trying to do what we're
doing, because it's different.

(01:18:24):
I didn't want to be like DonutOperator, which I love what he
does.
I think Donut Operator is oneof the best that's ever been.
Yeah, very cool.
I would love to get him on theshow.
Donut Operator, call it girl.
So yeah, but let's get to thevideos.
I'm going to share this firstvideo here Whoa, whoa, whoa,

(01:18:49):
whoa, whoa.
Oh man, it just decided tostart playing on its own.
Okay, let's biggie size.
Wow, there we go, all right.

Speaker 8 (01:18:59):
Everybody ready.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Okay, okay, just said speeds are a hundred a little
tight for a hundred yeah, um, solet's, let's get into it right
now.
Me personally, motorcycle thosespeeds.
I'm out'm out, I'm done.
You done too, ryan.

Speaker 7 (01:19:26):
That's a negative.
I'm not happy.
I mean, look at where youpaused it.
That's an intersection 100miles an hour through that.
No, sir, not going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
I'm with you on that.
What do you got there Houston?
Houston's like fuck it.

Speaker 12 (01:19:43):
I'm going to run until the wheels fall off.
You know?
No, actually, man, you know youcome up to these intersections.
I don't care if you got yourwoo-woos and your pretty lights
on, man, you've got to clearthese intersections.
You've got to slow down enoughman to do that, because you're
going to kill somebody.
It's been proven over and overagain, man, these accidents that

(01:20:04):
occur like this are probablynine times out of ten fatal
accidents and of course you knowthe officer doing that had no
intent of doing that.
But the serious lack ofconsideration and thought really
plays into that man.
And then you're going to have acop man that's going off in

(01:20:26):
either a body bag or cuffs.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Yep, pirate Truck said we finally using YouTube
Premium?
Yes, we are.
Y'all's donations went directlytowards that, because y'all
yelled at me and I said well,y'all, I told you your money
goes directly into the show.
That's where I put it.
So do you want to send picturesto Eric during live stream?
Join the Discord, tim.

(01:20:51):
Oh, marine Blood said that onethat surprises me Mayflower Kid
donor cycle.
I've never heard that term.
That's hilarious, not for theperson that's the donor, but
yeah, in this Mayflowerflowerkid.
I know you're newer to whatwe're doing, so let me kind of
fill you in.
We don't know the details, wedon't read, we don't get

(01:21:14):
anything on the video.
We want to watch it raw withy'all.
I didn't mean to make thatrhyme, but it did, um.
So that's the point of it is wewant to have an actual raw
reaction, not something we'vealready seen.
That's kind of the fun.
So let's keep going.
We've already agreed wewouldn't be chasing, but since

(01:21:34):
we are, we're going to becalling out directions, travel
speed, conditions of the road.
That's a red light.

Speaker 8 (01:21:44):
Red for Eftel, blue for Lightning.
And's a red light.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
This is not an experienced rider.

Speaker 7 (01:21:52):
No, it's not because he could have burned this cop at
any time.
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Oh, at least he was almost stopped.
I don't know if that wasintentional.
I'm going to go back just alittle bit.
I was just about to say I don'tthink that we should ever be
using our vehicle against amotorcycle to hit him, but they
kind of got ahead of me.
I'm going to go back because Idon't know if this was
intentional or not.

(01:22:20):
Oh, he sped up.
You could hear the engine revDang.
Are you going to get outran?
Okay, so from here I thinkTaser's fair game Baton pepper

(01:22:40):
spray.
I'm not going to shoot the guy.
I don't see any threat yet.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
Anybody got a different take nope, I'm right
there with you all right um whatwas that?

Speaker 7 (01:22:52):
what was the north carolina case with the taser?
It's uh, it's activelyresisting.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Now right, it's not just not passive resisting, yeah

(01:23:19):
, passive resisting them to do?
The moment I put hands on youand you start to use physical
muscles against what I'm tellingyou, or you run like this that
that is active resistance.
You are moving to get away fromme, so our officer does not
have speed and he has got a setof keys on him like a janitor.

(01:23:41):
Do you guys hear it?
Yep.
That is insane, bro.
Dump the keychain, stop rightnow.
Oh, he's going for theleft-handed taser deployment.
Oh, that's a gun.

Speaker 7 (01:23:58):
I don't like.
I think he's dual-wieldingy'all he's dual-wielding.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:24:04):
Was there a switch in there?

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
I yeah, I don't know it was a switch I didn't see,
because he pulled the gun andthe taser out and they both look
like they're in the same hand.
So, um, I would say it's, andI've I've said this before on
the show I don't like runningwith a weapon system out.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
But sometimes I understand it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:29):
Especially when you're getting cooked, like this
officer is.
I mean that guy's in Ohio bynow.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Right Use the grappler on a bike.
I have never seen that happen.

Speaker 9 (01:24:43):
I'm curious what would happen, but I think it's
frowned upon.
Get on the ground right now.
Get on the ground Right now.
Get on the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Okay, I like the intensity.
I'm not a yeller.
Even if I chase people, I'musually like all right, bro, get
on the ground.
That's just my mentality.
I don't have this level ofampness in me.
That's just not me.
Even as a dumb, didn't knowshit rookie, I still never got
like this and I actually gotyelled at for it in the academy.

(01:25:13):
A lot.
They're like you need to be uphere.
It's just not in me.
I'm not this type of guy.
I don't have that in me.
But what do you think, Ryan?
Like I can't, I don't have thatin me.

Speaker 7 (01:25:26):
But what do you think Ryan?
So, so obviously authoritativein your commands, but you don't
scream bloody murder.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Right yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:25:33):
Yeah, I don't either , it just it's just not
experience A lot of new guys dothat, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:25:40):
But yeah, it's, it doesn't make it any more
effective, yeah, it doesn't makecommands any more, you know
interpreted than just kind ofsaying, hey man, get on the
ground, I'm not playing with you, you know, instead of screaming
like you're in a horror movie,right, but I guess that's,
that's fear and adrenaline.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Right?
Yep, I agreed and I've beenthere with my fear and
adrenaline.
But even when I was there, itjust personally wasn't.
I guess that's not how I'mwired and I would have never
known that until I faced thesituation.
But even then I'm like get, geton the ground.
You know, get on the fuckingground, like I.
I'm not, I don't have thatupper, I just don't have it.

Speaker 7 (01:26:17):
Yeah, I mean when you , when you were a rookie.
I mean it's same thing on theradio.
You know he's turning right onmain street, he's turning left
on on green street.
Now it's it's.
Now it's butter.
Yeah, 20 years later it'sbutter, yep making a left domain
making a right right nonchalant.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Yep, exactly so from here.
Uh, I like what the officer'sdoing.
He's giving out commands.
He went to taser.
I think that's a little earlyum for me on a person.
I can see his hands.
I agree, we can see his hands,but I'm alone, I don't.
I'm not gonna go to my taseruntil I've got somebody else

(01:26:56):
there with me no, and a taser isnot going through that jacket
if I'm seeing it, if I'm seeingit right yeah, it does look
pretty thick.
It's a risk, let's put it thatway.
So for me, I'm probably goingto hold him at gunpoint until I
you know he could.
He's doing what he's supposedto do.
The bad guy is now.
He's listening.
That's great.

(01:27:16):
I can see his hands.
I'm just going to keep the gunat a ready low.
I don't need to aim it at himonce he's on the ground.
But it's going to be ready andthen we're going to chill.
I'm going to let everybody knowwhere I'm at.

Speaker 9 (01:27:32):
So that's what I would be doing from here.
Get your hands up, motherfucker, get them out now.
Do not move.
You understand me?
I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll,I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
I'll, I'll oh, he had a gun on him and dope.
Okay, that's our first video.
Uh, that's our first video.
Stop sharing, oh, heaven's back.

(01:28:14):
She said someone here is a realcoward and a liar when they say
they allow free speech and thenblock people for doing just
that.
Cowards, you didn't get blocked.
You got put on a 10-day timeoutbecause you didn't listen and
you lied.
That's why and you thought Iforgot, you tried to lie.
That's why you got put intimeout and your timeout's over.

(01:28:37):
It was like literally 24 hours.
You just didn't come back orsomething.
So, no, you didn't get blocked,because yet here you are.
I don't unblock people.
Once you've been blocked,you're blocked.
So you didn't get unblocked.
So what does that tell youthere, heaven?

Speaker 7 (01:28:54):
uh, how am I not blocked?

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
right I'd.
Oh?
Banning said I've lost interneton my computer.
Well, you know what?
Banning, banning, we don't needyou.
We got Alan.
You lied.
No, I didn't, I just actuallytold you what had happened.
So you can lick your wounds andadmit your failure and your

(01:29:18):
wrong, or you can double downand you can try to make what you
did my fault.
I gave you the opportunity tochange your stance and you
didn't make what you did myfault.
I gave you the opportunity tochange your stance and you
didn't.
And there you are, but you'rehere.
So you didn't get blocked.
So what are you crying aboutAgain?
I'm not here to kiss your ass.
I will call you out, just likeyou're trying to call me out.

(01:29:41):
I am not here to sugarcoat yourego.
So anyway, but you're veryclose to being put in timeout
again because you don't have theability to talk logically or

(01:30:01):
reasonably.
So it is what it is.
Linkedin user.
Did you block me?
Nope, you're right there, justlike she's not blocked.
I mean, blocking is blocking.
You don't get unblocked.
Anybody that's ever beenblocked is blocked.
Steve Ladner, he got blocked,but here you are.

(01:30:28):
So, anyway, let's go to thenext video.
Let's exit that guy.

Speaker 6 (01:30:39):
All right, let's share the screen Share.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Okay, biggie size.
All right, we ready and go.
I think Banning completely lostthe internet, so the camera
will kick on here.
Looks like we're searching avehicle, so we're in the middle
of a call that's another thing Iget from people.

Speaker 7 (01:31:11):
Why do you use your flashlight when it's daylight?

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
because you've never searched inside of a car right
yep, yep, I use my flashlight inthe daylight all the time,
absolutely.
And something to be aware of isunderneath those, uh, those
pads they're the mats on thetime, absolutely.
And something to be aware of isunderneath those pads, the mats
on the truck there.
There's probably a container,open container in there to look
into.
Okay, so that went from zero to100 really quick.

(01:31:45):
He went from looking in a carto punching out his gun and
yelling show me your hand.
So we don't know what the fuckwe got going on here hands in
the air.

Speaker 8 (01:31:58):
Two, what's up?
Give me the.
I got a bell.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Uh shooting another bell a while running through the
backyard 123 wild okay, so mytake from what we see here is he
was searching a car, andanother incident broke off
unrelated to what he was doing,where somebody was being shot at
, so that explains why he was soamped up, um that's baltimore

(01:32:22):
man.

Speaker 7 (01:32:22):
I mean, this might not be baltimore, but oh, really
time, yeah, all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Um.
So in this I I would say theonly little kind of rookie move
that he made was trying tochallenge them from so far away.
I wouldn't have made.
They obviously didn't know hewas there.
I wouldn't have let him know Iwas there, not until I was up on
him.
So, ryan, you got anythingdifferent on that?

Speaker 7 (01:32:47):
no, I agree.
Um, it kind of makes me thinkof, uh, we, we had a case
recently, um, in terms ofchallenging, so we, we, we lost
a charge because we didn'tidentify ourselves, even though
we were in uniform.
So I think, uh, I agree withyou, but stop, police is

(01:33:10):
important in other aspects of asituation for sure, so it's, I
agree, it's just like I'm gonnawait till I get closer.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Sure, that's what my point is.
I I don't want them to runfaster, harder, away from me,
because they or split orwhatever I want to get.
I want to get everybody.
I don't know who's involved.
What's going on?
Something that we need to becareful of as cops is is the
good guy chasing the bad guyright, absolutely that's a

(01:33:43):
danger too.
So that's another thing I'mthinking.
When I see somebody with a gunchasing after somebody is like
shit, this is a bad spot,because what if he's chasing
somebody?
Just broke into his house orjust assaulted him, I don't know
.
So things to consider.
Um, tax, squeak, zero, zero.
He could have gotten a lotcloser to a tactical location

(01:34:04):
before announcing yes.
That's kind of the point thatI'm getting to.
I love that.
I love that name too.
Patrick jokes on you.
I have no brain to be special.
Oh shit.
Um Mayflower kid said stopPolice is professional.
Yeah, I, I don't really um thewhole professional speak.
When you're running around withguns in public, I don't give a

(01:34:27):
shit.
Uh, stop police is great.
You know, fucking stop police.
Whatever you got to do to getattention and let them know
you're serious when there's gunsinvolved, I'm okay with it.

Speaker 7 (01:34:38):
Yeah, and the only reason I said that is is that
notification, that advisement is, is the arbitraries that might
seem in a situation like this.
It it comes up in court, right?
We had a lot of issues inbaltimore with plainclothes guys
not identifying themselvesquick enough, and I'm talking
back in the day when you didn'twear a vest that said police on

(01:35:00):
it.
I mean, you're in jeans and at-shirt with your little badge
around your neck, right, so itis extremely important to I did
it.
It could burn you later, right?
Yeah, have you ever dealt withanything like that?
I mean, people will claim allthe time I didn't know there
were cops, I just saw a guy witha gun it didn't happen to me
personally, but yes, I've seenit a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
It is definitely a thing.
You got to be careful with you.
You do need to announce Um, oh,I'm sorry, free free is talking
to said that Mayflower isreferring to the last guy.
Okay, yeah, fair, um, and hewas amped up and and actually
kind of had a right to be ampedup.
We ended up finding a gun anddope, so, um, it, it's one of

(01:35:41):
those things.
It's one of those things that'svery easy to say, guys, but it
doesn't matter how much youtrain until you get into a
high-speed pursuit and you'rechasing after somebody.
Now, I think where we agree onthe panel is we never would have
chased after that motorcycle,but he did, and because he did,
he got way up here.
So I, language is probably oneof the last things I give a shit

(01:36:04):
about.
I don't care.
At the end of the day, did thebad guy get hurt unnecessarily?
You know?
Did we catch the guy?
Did anybody innocent citizenget hurt unnecessarily, like?
Those are the things to worryabout.
Let's not focus on this fuckinglanguage.
I don't give a shit.
Um, you know, it depends on thevideo.
It just depends on the videoand something like that.

(01:36:25):
I don't care so, um, what isyour opinion on the use of
profanity in a situation asstressful?
I just said it.
I didn't even read thatquestion yet it is what it is
yeah, I I.
I believe in swearing with apurpose, not swearing to demean.

Speaker 7 (01:36:41):
I hope that makes sense it does, because if you've
worked a bad area, sometimesit's the only language
motherfuckers speak to be rightlike it just is yep, yeah, I
don't mind if you're going to belike drop the fucking gun, get
on the fucking ground.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Hey, motherfucker, get on the ground, whatever it
is.
But if you're like you dumbpiece of shit, like what the
fuck were you thinking?
You dumb ass motherfucker like?

Speaker 7 (01:37:05):
I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
Now we're demeaning them why.

Speaker 7 (01:37:08):
Right, and you don't need to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
I'm swearing to get a point across, to show the
seriousness, to avoid usingforce.

Speaker 7 (01:37:16):
Right and and and.
If you've worked a bad area,you know career criminals.
They can sniff you out.
They can tell who's weak andwho's not.
You know, they can tell who's arookie, who's been on for a
while.
These, these little telltalesigns, can absolutely have an
effect, so I'm not saying thatyou need to curse at somebody,

(01:37:36):
but but it does.
It's applicable in certainsituations Cause, like I said,
it's the only language somepeople speak, so yeah, you know,
one of the things that blew meaway is really quickly on.

Speaker 6 (01:37:48):
As a rookie I learned they investigate the bad guys.
Investigate us as much as weinvestigate them, you know they
know when you're going to comewith PD.
You know, they know when you're, you know you go to the donut
shop.
They know all that.
They have it documented.
They, you know, and it's uh,it's information that they use
against you.

Speaker 7 (01:38:08):
Absolutely yeah, and the one time you get off they
know when shift changes.
I mean it's a business, right,it's illegitimate.
But drug dealers, you knowpeople are doing dirt, it's.
It's a business, Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Yep, yeah, the uh Mayflower kid.
He's like belitt, likebelittling is bullying, verbal
abuse, and I agree I don't thinkthere's a time and a place.
If we want this profession andI consider policing a profession
if we want it to be considereda profession, treated like a
profession, we need to avoidusing force.
That's one thing.
Escalated language to avoidforce that makes sense and you

(01:38:48):
need to articulate that and youneed to put it in your report
why you said what you said andwhen you said it.
But if you start to call peoplenames and demean them and do
all that shit, that doesn't haveany place in law enforcement.
I don't care what it is, theirpunishment is going to happen in
court.
Your job as a cop is not toinflict that punishment, whether

(01:39:09):
it be verbal or whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:39:15):
I spent a lot of times in the school and there
were so many times when Icouldn't get a kid's attention
until I spoke their language tothem, the way that they spoke to
each other.
You know, de-escalating to geta fight to stop or something
like that, but then you have toknow when to stop, like you
can't just continue to call themmotherfuckers and this and that

(01:39:39):
.
Once they de-escalated, then Ide-escalated and brought it back
.

Speaker 7 (01:39:43):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think, that you and Matt Eric, you and Matt Thornton talk a
lot about this.
The ego right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:39:52):
That ego.
I'm not keen on the fact thatlaw enforcement attract, you
know, a lot of people say lawenforcement attracts egotistical
people.
You know, sometimes it'ssociopathic tendencies.
I'm not, I don't necessarilyagree with that, but uh, you
know, putting on that uniform asit, as a 21 year old kid, it

(01:40:15):
can be intoxicating, right, andit could kind of get to your
head.
Uh, and again, the way you andMatt talk about it, it, it, it
really makes sense, likeespecially pre body camera, when
it was, it was easy to talk topeople however you wanted to,
right, it doesn't make it.
It doesn't make it right, youknow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Right, but it's, it's the culture.
We're changing the culture,absolutely.
And we're trying to bring thatto light.
Like hey man, that may havebeen cool in the 90s but it's
not it's going away, dude, andand that's the thing it was.

Speaker 7 (01:40:49):
it was considered cool and I'm coming from
baltimore city, one of the mosttoxic, violent police
departments that's ever existed,that that that was cool, right,
and it was kind of this they'rea gang, we're a gang, you know,
gang versus gang.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Yeah, we're with them , yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:41:09):
Yeah, it was bad news .
And you saw what happened withthe Gun Trace Task Force and did
you watch we Own this City?
Yeah, I don't know if you sawthat on HBO.
That was all true.
I work with some of those guys.
Just, obviously it doesn't flyanymore because of body cameras,
but it it shouldn't fly ever,right, I mean, even if you don't

(01:41:30):
have a camera.
Matt Matt talks a lot about theoath Right.
We forget, we forget about thatRight.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
But the thing is is in.
I want you guys if you guyswant a good example of this, I
just had my dad on the podcastand you have to be a member on
our YouTube channel to see thefull episode to watch it.
Um, but I want you guys to knowI named it old school versus
new school because my dad istalking about shit that he did

(01:42:00):
that.
I'm just like my god, dude, youcan't do that shit, and part of
the conversation is me sittingthere going I'm I'm ashamed to
you're, my dad and you did someof this shit and he you know,
but we're having the.
Not that I'm truly ashamed ofmy dad.

(01:42:21):
Like it was the culture backthen, that was okay, the
citizens were okay with it backthen.
Like it was the culture backthen, that was okay, the
citizens were okay with it backthen.
Like it was one of the andthat's what we discussed and can
we, can we be honest, right wasit?

Speaker 7 (01:42:31):
was it effective?
I mean, did it stop a lot?

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
of shit from happening, you know yes and so
we got into that conversationand by the end of the, the thing
you know, he talked about howlike he looks back and he he
would never do the stuff orallow that stuff that he saw
happen back then because of howhe's evolved as a cop, and it
was just.
It was a really coolconversation.

(01:42:57):
We had no agenda, we didn't, wedidn't know what we were going
to talk about.
I just asked them to come overand that's what we riffed on and
it was great.
It was really one of myfavorite podcasts and I haven't
put a full podcast video on myYouTube channel in probably a
year at least.
So this one I've decided thatif I'm going to put a full video

(01:43:19):
on my YouTube channel, it'sgoing to be just for my members,
so that's a special treat thatyou guys get.
I'll put the whole audio one upon Buzzsprout, which it's on
there now, but it was a greatepisode.
But we talked just about thatsame exact thing the culture of
policing.

Speaker 7 (01:43:36):
I can't wait to watch it because I've had many
similar conversations with mydad.
You talked to him earlier.
He told you I wouldn't, Iwouldn't make it today.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
Yeah, and we're going to have to survive.
Yes, yeah, he agreed, so yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:43:51):
You know, we, we uh, one of the episodes in the past
and I can't think of the guy'sname.
He was Chicago PD and he wastelling us about old school
Chicago and and you know howcorrupt it was.
But then he also explainedthose guys were making like $70
a week or something and they'repaying kids to wake them up in a

(01:44:13):
church, that are sitting intheir car, and then the
gangsters are coming in andsaying, hey, we'll pay for your
night.
No wonder everything wascorrupt.
We weren't paying them to beofficers.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
I feel like an asshole.
I can't remember who that waseither.

Speaker 6 (01:44:31):
I remember the episode.
Yeah, it was a good episode.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Yeah for sure, all right, let's see how this video
continues here.
Boys, Show me your fuckinghands.
Show me your hands.
Okay, swearing with a purpose.
Show me your fucking hands.
The reason he's saying that isbecause he doesn't want to have
to shoot right, and I trulydon't think he's trying to sound
cool again.

Speaker 7 (01:44:54):
Yeah, when you put that, when you put that, show me
your fucking hands in there.
It, it gives it purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Like you, said yes, yes, exactly, yes exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:45:03):
Hands in the air Hands in the air Hands in the
fucking air 2-1-7,.

Speaker 8 (01:45:11):
I got shots fired Shots fired in the backyard.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
One shot.
That's a very controlledshooting.
That doesn't happen a whole lotUnder stress and movement.

Speaker 6 (01:45:22):
That's pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
Yeah, that wasn't an accidental shot.
That was intentional.
That was a very aimed shot.
You could tell just by themechanics of his hands.
I don't know how many firearmspeople are out there, but that
wasn't a oh shit.
There was no reaction.
That was an intentional shot.
I couldn't tell if he wasstabbing or it looked like he
was doing something to somebodyon the ground.

Speaker 8 (01:45:45):
Blue shots fired.
Give me the air.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
Stay off the fucking radio.
Stay off the radio.
Stay off the radio.
God damn it, Ryan.
How many times have you heardme say that on the air?

Speaker 7 (01:45:57):
Bro, when I tell you you're in a situation and some
asshole pops up, you know 23,29,.
I got a traffic stop and youget off the air.
I'm in a foot chase.
Yeah, it's, there's always,there's always that guy, right,
yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Yep, Well, my thing is the guy involved in this
incident right now.
I'm like you are involved withsomebody with a gun.
I don't give a shit aboutanybody on the radio.
I'm not trying to talk toanybody.
I need to handle what's infront of me right now, because
it's not under control at allright, and that's a good way to
put it.
I have not controlled this, yetyes, and if, all of a sudden, as

(01:46:39):
I'm trying to get on mymicrophone and I've, I've got
one hand on the gun.
I have no longer in a.
If anybody's ever shot a pistolone-handed, it's, it's not easy
like you got to be a fuckinggangster to do that.
All you got to practice it a lot.
I don't like shootingone-handed ever, especially when
my life's possibly on the lineor somebody else's life is on

(01:47:02):
the line because this guy'schasing after another person
with a gun.
So, um, stay off the radiountil you have an opportunity to
do it.
I don't consider this anopportunity to get on the radio.
Anybody else do.

Speaker 7 (01:47:16):
Yeah, I mean I and I.
I find that in a lot ofsituations like this, you, you
have people on the radio lookingfor guidance from their
supervisors.
In a situation like this, makea fucking command decision.
You know, don't get on theradio ask.
You know looking for guidancewhen this guy's going through
this.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, do do what you know isright.

(01:47:36):
You know at the time, stay yourass off the radio.
Yeah, just just do it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
Show your fucking hands in our discord.
I love his marketing.
It's great.

Speaker 6 (01:47:49):
One of the big things that's being talked about in
Texas and pushed out through alot of the active shooter
response stuff now is you're onscene, you're in charge,
regardless what your sergeantsays over some radio.
They're not on scene, theycan't see it.
You have to take charge untilthe time comes that you
relinquish that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:48:11):
Yep, right, like every cop's a leader, right
Every cop's a leader regardlessof rank and that sometimes you
got to take that, that control.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
So Andy Fletcher said my Taurus was great One-handed.
What type of Taurus were youshooting, bro?
Don't get me wrong.
There's some nice Taurus outthere the junk.
That was a fun gun to shoot.

Speaker 6 (01:48:34):
I was in the academy and the guy next to me's Taurus
blew up.
The whole side of it blew offhis gun.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Why did he have a Taurus in the?

Speaker 6 (01:48:42):
academy.
It was an academy where youbring your own oh my god, that's
crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:49):
What did Outdoors say ?
Miss and bury one in the groundor backdrop is a lot different
than missing and burying one inthe person you're trying to help
.
Yes, definitely don't want toshoot the wrong person.
Linkedin user said that was acontrol shooting.
Dang eric, you nailed it thankyou?

(01:49:09):
Yeah, that was, that was a.
It was a clean, well precisionshot um did you guys?

Speaker 7 (01:49:16):
did you guys see what happened?
I can't tell from here.
Did he come up with the gun?
Why did?
Why did?

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
I couldn't tell.
I'll go back a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:49:23):
There was a shooting or something that caused him to
start spawning.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Yeah, yeah, he ran after him because of a gunshot
or gun something.

Speaker 8 (01:49:31):
But let's see again, I got shots, fired Shots fired.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
Oh, he already shot.

Speaker 7 (01:49:36):
I'm just wondering why he cracked off so he's doing
something.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
I'm just wielding there.
Yeah, I can't tell what you'redoing.
Okay, so he's doing something.
I'm just wielded there, yeah, Ican't tell what you're doing.
He's not quite on the groundyet.
Yeah, you can see that arm isout it I.
To me it looks like he's eithertrying to use a gun or a knife
to this guy.
I can't tell what or what he'sdoing, but he's he's going to

(01:50:02):
town on whoever's underneath him.

Speaker 8 (01:50:04):
Yeah, doing, but he's going to town on whoever's
underneath him 217, I got shotsfired, shots fired in the
backyard, blue shots fired, giveme the air.

Speaker 9 (01:50:15):
Get on, do not fucking move.
Do not fucking move, get on,it's not me, I'm not shot 217,.

Speaker 8 (01:50:22):
I was on.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
He said it's not me, I'm not shot.
Is that what you guys heard?

Speaker 7 (01:50:27):
That's what I heard.

Speaker 8 (01:50:32):
Let me try it again.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
It's either, it's not me, I got shot.
It's not me, I'm not shot.
I can't tell what he's saying.

Speaker 6 (01:50:38):
I think he said got shot.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Oh, closed caption.

Speaker 8 (01:50:45):
Let's find it 217,.
I was on admin.
I got shots fired, 123 while Donot fucking move, do not
fucking move.

Speaker 1 (01:50:56):
Of course closed caption didn't pick it up.

Speaker 8 (01:50:57):
I got shots, fired 123 while Now we're shooting
another male.
Both of you stop moving.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
A male was shooting another male.
Imagine of you stop moving.
A male was shooting anothermale.
Imagine hearing that on theradio.
I would be like what in thefuck is happening over there?

Speaker 8 (01:51:16):
Start EMS this way.
Looks like I got a suspect downMale black.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
This is the hard part Thinking through what we've got
to say next, because we can'tprocess what we just fucking did
or saw.
This is the hard part, guys,and you can hear and see the
confusion of this officer.
He doesn't know what to do next.
Because this is the part that'snever trained.
We train shoot a threat, handlea threat, deal with the threat.

(01:51:48):
No one really ever goes throughthe follow-through.

Speaker 7 (01:51:52):
You can't train this.
How do you train real life?

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
It doesn't.
Yeah, exactly, let's keep going.
Next, I tell you guys this allthe time, but if you're new
scene security, then you goafter everybody's health and
welfare.
So we're going and doingmedical uh procedures and then

(01:52:18):
we gather information and whereyou see, cops fuck up as we go
from scene security toinformation and we haven't even
gotten security yet, we startjumping around and we got to get
scene security first.

Speaker 8 (01:52:31):
All right, all right, hey, hey, all right.
Everybody, I'm going to holsterup, I'm going to cuff this guy.
Hold cover, hold cover on him.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
Okay, he's thinking through, he's trying to woosah
himself.

Speaker 7 (01:52:47):
He's jacked up though .
Yeah, oh, he's eked big time.
He's shaking rightfully so.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
He just shot a human being or shot at one like this
is a, this is a natural.
This is the type of reaction Iwould hope I would get from
somebody you know that's neverfired at a person don't you
fucking move.

Speaker 14 (01:53:06):
Gun right there, gun right there oh, we got one male
shot right now.
Get him secured.
I got one male shot right now.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Get them secured, jesus Christ.
This is the frustrating part.
Secure, then get theinformation.
I just said this.
Secure, render aid if needed,but then get the information out
.
I don't care that the peoplethat aren't there don't know
what's going on.
I don't give a shit, it doesn'tconcern them.

(01:53:46):
You got anything, ryan?

Speaker 7 (01:53:49):
Yeah, have you seen any other cops yet?
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
There's somebody else there.
He's talking to him.
I just haven't seen him.
I think he's dealing with theother dude.

Speaker 7 (01:53:59):
Yeah, I mean, would you consider this secured at
this point?

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
Not yet, he's not cuffed Right.

Speaker 7 (01:54:05):
That's what I'm saying, like as soon as he cuffs
that guy, then I'm good, you'regood with medical getting into
it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Yeah, once he's got cuffs on and that gun is not
within reach, I'm good.
That's all I need.

Speaker 7 (01:54:20):
Nothing around there is concerning you at this point.
I mean, this is.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Not right now.

Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
To me there's more going on because there was some
dude laying on the porch earlier.

Speaker 7 (01:54:30):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (01:54:33):
You know, I didn't even see that yeah, Before when
he came running up between thetwo houses there's a dude like
laid out on the porch, and soyou know who else is involved in
this Right and Eric.

Speaker 7 (01:54:44):
Ericic family members right, for some reason they
come out of the woodwork.
Yeah, doesn't matter where youare.
Mom, dad shows up right right,yeah, and so that's another
concern.
So, I agree, we we're going tostart medical as soon as, as
soon as we can, but I'm going togive it just a little more time
to make sure everything's okay,because you know, yeah, yeah,

(01:55:05):
but my point is I'm not jumpingon the radio as I'm in the
process of cuffing and then Istop cuffing to get on the radio
to update.
Sure, no, absolutely, absolutely.
I was kind of speaking in termsof after you got that left arm,
you know, hooked up.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
And then I'm still going to scan.
Yes for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:55:25):
Yeah, yeah, no yeah, I'm still gonna.

Speaker 8 (01:55:26):
I'm gonna scan, yes, for sure.
Yeah, that's a good point anddefinitely get on the radio and
get some more units.
Start two rigs for now.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Yeah, I like that you can hear the chaos yeah, I like
that the partner's yelling outto whatever crowd's probably
starting to form.
We got an ambulance comingbecause it's family friends,
negative.

Speaker 8 (01:55:44):
Blue shots fired.
Blue shots fired.
Are you hit from you?
From me, where?
No, are you hit for me?

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
this is all right it's like a hip shot that was
his gonna.

Speaker 8 (01:55:57):
This is.
This is where I hit you, righthere in the side.
All right, calm down, buddy.
What is your name?

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
That's the ultimate professional he just went from.
I shot this guy, got himsecured to calm down buddy, I'm
going to help you.
That is a fucking pro.
That's awesome.
That's how it should be.

Speaker 8 (01:56:18):
Thank you for helping me, the guy on the ground.
I saw you chasing him.

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
No, no, that was the guy that was over top the guy
that was ground.

Speaker 7 (01:56:25):
I saw you chasing him .

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
No, no, that was the guy that was over top.
The guy that was over topscrambled.
Okay, yeah, 127, is thereanything else happening?

Speaker 9 (01:56:32):
Got the gun cleared it out.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
That's it.
That's it.
That's gorgeous.
I that's that's textbook.
I think that was fine.
No worries with that one.
So anybody else got a concern?
I'm I'm looking over at thecomments to see if, uh, anybody
else had anything to say.
Um, mag dump said two cops,when don't I hear you?
But I'm telling you that mostCalifornia agencies don't allow

(01:56:58):
it for agency use or CCW.
Most ranges don't allow it.

Speaker 6 (01:57:02):
It's the P P three, 20 that we're talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
Oh, they were talking about the three 20.

Speaker 6 (01:57:07):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's a lot of agencies
carrying it.
Dps carries it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
I was carrying it in the military but we uh, we
banned it.
You know six, two reputable ofa company that can, can you know
, they're either going toreplace it or something there's
too many agencies to have ityeah, and I'll say this about
the 320 uh, as an air forcemember like it was a fun gun, it
worked.
It shot well, um functioned,everything great.
I just I do get concerned aboutit.

(01:57:34):
You know it's happened too manytimes at this point to risk, it
right?
yeah, yep, yep, there's a designflaw somewhere I don't know.
Risk it right.
Yeah, yep, yep.
There's a design flaw somewhere.
I don't know where it's at.
Sorry, sig's a great gun.
I don't want anybody to sitthere and go fuck Sig.
I would never carry a Sig.

Speaker 7 (01:57:49):
Sig makes great firearms, just not that one, the
365 and the Secret Service.
They've since gone to Glocks,but yeah, good gun.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
They've got great rifles.
I love their rifles, amazingstuff.
So what did Eye of the Nightsay?
A pro, but also not realizingthat telling the shot person to
calm down is peak, stupid Bro.
He's amped up on fuckingadrenaline.
We don't talk like ourselveswhen we're pumped up on

(01:58:17):
adrenaline.
Have a little empathy for whatthis man just went through.
That's what you want.
You want him to say some dumbshit that shows that he realizes
the gravity of what is going on.
That is a cop that is as humanas they get.
If he was a robot and just waslike you know, stick your finger

(01:58:37):
in that hole, you'll be fineand just was unempathetic, that
would be a problem, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:58:43):
That's the disconnect , though, right, yeah, and
nothing against the person thatjust commented it.
Just, I've never seen aprofession, any profession, and
I've racked my brain about it.
I've never seen a professionwhere every single person in the
world knows how to do thisbetter than we do.
Yeah, but they've never done it.

(01:59:04):
No.
Everybody's an expert at beinga cop.
And have you seen?
Have you, would you agree with?
That.
I do.
They don't just comment like,well, I'm not a cop, but I would
have done this.
They talk like they know whatthey're doing and it's
frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
And the frustrating part is they expect training to
fix that.
Well, they had the training.
They should know what they'redoing, they know what they got
into.
Listen, no training.
Every training you get is in asafe environment.
End of the day, even if,subconsciously, that's all you
know, it's a safe environment.

Speaker 7 (01:59:41):
There is a different level when it's life or death,
and I think that goes to, uh,your recent video about
de-escalation.
Yes, we, we've let this getinto the minds of the people and
they just don't understand.
Yep, what, what ds like, like Ifeel like the public kind of
feels like if you're trainedenough, you can de-escalate

(02:00:02):
anything.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
Right, you can't de-escalate somebody that
doesn't want to be de-escalated.

Speaker 7 (02:00:05):
You can't de-escalate most things, in my opinion.
I've had some success in mycareer de-escalating, but we
respond to volatile, violentsituations.
It's very difficult tode-escalate right.
And then you can also arguethat sometimes de-escalating is
using your bat belt, the thingsthat people don't like to see.

(02:00:28):
So it doesn't get worse, it hasto be right.

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
So yeah, yeah, I, I, I've.
I've been fortunate that in mycareer I've been able to uh, uh.
I'll read Patrick True Love'scomment here real quick.
I spout uh till I'm blue in theface.
Nobody knows how they will actin any given situation until
they are in said situation.
And I, I agree, I agree, it'suh.

(02:00:52):
And even me, I guys, I'll bethe first to tell you, I, I like
, I put a video out today wherean officer shot an unarmed
person and in my opinion, I'mlike, I thought it was bullshit,
but that doesn't mean I'm right.
I don't know what was goingthrough that officer's head.
He may have been severely outof shape, which, again, I still

(02:01:17):
think is wrong, but it doesn'tmean the reason he pulled the
trigger was wrong.
I get why he may have pulledthe trigger.
I just think in the point thatI was trying to make on that
video and I'll show, actually,I'll show that next, I'll
actually we'll pull up and we'lldiscuss that video because it's
actually I'm glad to hear yousay that my brother yeah, um,
let me see here, let me go to mysocial media we'll go to.

(02:01:44):
We'll just go to instagram,that's the easiest.
Oh well, I almost.
I'm a moron.
I almost left this page to goto.

Speaker 7 (02:01:57):
The whole thing would have been gone eric, you got a
fan of your shirt.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
I do.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:02:07):
He said you remind him of curious George.
He wants to adopt you.
What?
A.
Linkedin user, so we don't knowwho it is.
But all of you did an excellentjob in explaining what's going
on in the video.
I'm sorry to say this but yourshirt is stealing the show.
The man with the yellow hatwould have been jealous.

(02:02:29):
I don't know who wants to adoptyou.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
I appreciate it.
It's a retro rifle shirt, but Igot to give a shout out to
Brandar.
He just dropped 20 bones of hishard-earned cash on a super
chat.
He said ryan, yeah, but alsonever seen another job that let
workers keep working when theyviolate policies, then give them
good reviews when they leaveunder investigation or stop
investigations once a workerleaves, and that has happened

(02:02:54):
and brandar, I couldn't, Icouldn't agree with you more
yeah absolutely.

Speaker 7 (02:02:58):
I mean and this is the great thing about this
dialogue I mean I'm glad youbrought that up.
You're a hundred percent right,I'm not going to deny that.
So how do we fix it Right?

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
Yep, right.
One of the ways we fix that isI think there should be a
national registry for policing,once you get into this job, if
you leave for policing, once youget into this job, if you leave
, your leaving record should besomething for all law
enforcement departments to seeacross the nation.
If you left under investigation, pending charges, anything, and

(02:03:32):
were allowed to leave I don'tmind that a department is like,
we'll let you resign, whatever.
I still want to know why theyresigned, what the investigation
was, what the evidence that youhad was under that, because I
can tell you this if I'm adepartment, if you left under
investigation and nothing in thein the stop the investigation,

(02:03:54):
I don't care, you're not gettinghired.
Yeah, I mean, obviously, that'sthat's super suspect.

Speaker 7 (02:04:07):
I just uh, and I agree with you.
I, you don't need to be a cop,sure, sure, but uh, on the flip
side there are police officerswho have gotten a raw deal right
, did not deserve it, right.
So fair.

Speaker 1 (02:04:20):
Agree with that, but that goes into the background
check.
It just depends I guess I wascoming at if the officer didn't
divulge it, that's kind of right, I didn't.

Speaker 7 (02:04:31):
That's my fault.
Yep, yeah, I picked up on that.
I just um, there, there havebeen police.
I won't get into it.
Hopefully, that's I know.
You said next time we talk onthe show we'll get into more
specific things.
But you know there are copsthat have have gotten a raw deal
and if you start, if you godown this path where you're

(02:04:53):
going to start banging cops forthings that really aren't uh,
for things that really aren't uh, they didn't really do anything
, we're going to add to thatrecruitment problem, right?
Yeah, we already have a huge wehave a huge recruitment problem
.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
You're a hundred, right?

Speaker 7 (02:05:10):
Yes, and and so you don't want to scare the good
ones off, because we got enoughproblems now, because they hire
the bad ones, because they gotto hire somebody, right, right.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
And that because they hire the bad ones, because they
got to hire somebody right,right and that, and that's what
we've created.
We've lowered, we keep loweringthe bar.
And you go to these defundedplaces that are like all right,
defunding was bad, we just lost600 officers.
And then how do they hire?
They offer these greatincentives and their hiring
standards are shit I saw one theother day.

Speaker 7 (02:05:39):
Uh, you could not have smoked marijuana in the
last three months, three months.

Speaker 1 (02:05:47):
Hey bro, there's departments that allow you to
smoke, I think in New Jersey.

Speaker 7 (02:05:51):
Yeah, I read about that, but again, that's not a
good thing, right?
I don't care how you cut it, Idon't care what anybody is in
their personal life.
I'm not judging anybody, right?
I don't care how you cut it, Idon't care what anybody is in
their personal life, I'm notjudging anybody.

Speaker 1 (02:06:02):
But at the same time, like you, start having more
critical incidents becauseyou're hiring the wrong people
yeah, it depends, like for me,the way that I look at weed is
like if it's legal in your state, okay, it's legal in your state
.
Like it, it's just like alcoholyou know, goes out of your
system within how many hours?

Speaker 7 (02:06:20):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
It just depends on you know.
Power to the States.
I'm a big fan.

Speaker 7 (02:06:25):
Right, absolutely.
But my point is it used to besome agencies.
You could never smoke weed.
Then it was.
You couldn't have smoked weedin the last five years, and now
it's the last three months.
That's the point I'm trying tomake.
So we're we're loweringeverything, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (02:06:44):
Yeah, this is actually a very interesting
point I never considered.
Brandar86 said and he donated10, I think he's donated 30
bucks now tonight.
Thank you, Brandar.
I think police work should behandled like military
contractual obligations andcannot end a contract when in
trouble situation Departmentdecides if they want to renew

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the contract.
That's actually.

Speaker 7 (02:07:10):
And I see where he's going with that, but we cannot
militarize the police under anycircumstances.

Speaker 1 (02:07:17):
Yes, under any.

Speaker 7 (02:07:20):
Yeah, any.
Yeah, yeah, I understand hispoint.
I know where he's going with it.
Yeah, we yeah can't do that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:27):
Interesting concept, yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:07:28):
Interesting concept for sure, yeah well, you know,
and that's one of the biggestproblems with I agree with the
whole having a federal database,things like that, but then we
across the board don't have thesame federal standards within
agencies and same you know, lawsare different in every state,
and so you get away with certainthings here, but you don't,

(02:07:51):
even within the same state, youknow.
and so what one agency is goingto look the other way for the
next agency is like oh no, we'llaccept that, and you know it.
There is not a set standardacross the board, but yet the,
the outlooking community has theexact same standard of holding
cops accountable and things likethat.

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And we're not even doing itwithin our own agencies.

Speaker 7 (02:08:16):
Yeah, alan, alan makes a great point.
I mean, you can literally getrejected from a police
department and get hired by thenext door County.

Speaker 1 (02:08:24):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (02:08:25):
Yep, that, that's something I always I was like
how does that make sense, youknow?

Speaker 1 (02:08:31):
Yeah, tim Owen said uh, no, the issue is
professional responsibility.
Once you become a policeofficer, we have a
responsibility to the badge andto the job, not to do, not to do
certain things calledprofessional responsibility.
I like that.
I agree, agreed, yep.
And some people are saying youknow, no, he's not talking about

(02:08:51):
militarization.
We understand theaccountability.

Speaker 7 (02:08:56):
I know he's not.
I know he's not, but because ofwhat he's talking about, it
could, it could never happen.
I mean, the constitution would,wouldn't allow that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:08):
Yeah, I mean yeah, and, and it's part of the the
thing that I hate and I've had a, I had a navy seal on here
before.
Why me?
Um, if you guys remember, actof valor, um, so I I had had
Wyman on here and we talkedabout that.
He and I we bullshitted backand forth, where I get so tired
of seeing these military guyscome on to, like Joe Rogan and

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some of these other big podcasts, sean Ryan, and try to talk
about police work from amilitary mindset.
And I'm like hello, I'mmilitary as well.
Part of the problem with themilitary when they're sitting
there and they're going off ofan active duty mindset is yes,
when you were active duty, youwere 24-7, 365, beholden to what

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the government wanted you to do.
You were paid a standard rate,no matter what.
You didn't get overtime, youdidn't get any shit, because
that's a contract that you had.
So, of course, if you had amission, whatever it was, you
got to prep.
You knew the background,especially if you're in these
special operation teams.
Cops don't have that.

(02:10:11):
You think that they can trainthe same way that you trained in
the military, and that's notfeasible.

Speaker 7 (02:10:17):
No and it wasn't the way it was designed to be.

Speaker 1 (02:10:21):
Exactly, yeah.
And to think that that's whatthey have in the SWAT team
they're, they're you know aboutas close as it gets, because
they train 24 seven when they'renot after actively doing a
mission.
But for regular police streetguys like no, they, they clock
in, they clock out, they're done.

Speaker 7 (02:10:40):
Yeah, and I think a lot of uh people confuse that
they because, because militarytranslates so much in into
police work, but that's all itdoes, like they're two totally
separate things.
Yeah, it's just thepersonalities that end up
shifting over from military,military to police.
You know and I see why, butthey're, they're two totally

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different things.
It just yeah, you cannotmilitarize uh american police
forces and and it wouldn't work,it wouldn't be constitutional.

Speaker 1 (02:11:13):
Um, they're busting my balls.
Eric your air force listen, yousons of bitches.
My boot camp was six and a halfweeks.
How dare you listen?
It takes the marine corpsdouble the time it took me to

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learn all the same stuff.
That's all I can say.
So don't get mad at me becauseI'm smart.
For a military standard, it'snot a lot, oh shit.
Okay, the video I want to show.
Let me share that real quickand we will discuss this guy.
What's it titled?

(02:11:55):
Two Cops, one Donut.
There we go.
Share.

Speaker 7 (02:11:58):
I'm kind of sad we couldn't get banning back.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
I know, yeah, he said his videos fucking out.
All right, here we go.
I'm going to click this one,that is as let me see what this
does.
That's as large as I can makethat y'all.
It's bigger than what they showon.
What do you call it?
That's bigger than what theyshow on.
Uh, what do you call it?

(02:12:21):
It's bigger than what they showon Instagram.
So here we go get back.

Speaker 11 (02:12:44):
This is an example why you need to be training in
violence when tools fail youhave to be able.

Speaker 1 (02:12:50):
So um quick, um update on this.
That's not me speaking.
Some people were like that'stactical carl.
I got this video from TacticalCarl's Instagram page, so make
sure you guys follow and likehim.
I like the dude.
He's very good and doesn't havea huge following but really

(02:13:11):
knows his stuff and I just likehis style.
But anyway, that's him talkingand society thinks it's so wrong
.

Speaker 11 (02:13:19):
The police officer has to whoop somebody's ass.
A ass whooping needed tocommence in this situation, but
in law enforcement it has gottenso soft to the point to where
we have this Individuals are nottraining hard, they're not
fighting, they're not doing redmans, they're not rolling on the
ground.
So your end solution Back up.

Speaker 1 (02:13:42):
Get down on the ground.
So you're in solution.
I put those sound effects inthere.
I didn't want TikTok to get meNow.
We actually covered this videoback when it happened on a live.
We covered this.
So I'm going to stop sharingand um so can I?

Speaker 7 (02:14:03):
can I just start off?
I'm gonna imagine you're gonnago on the in the direction of if
this cop could scrap, itwouldn't have come to this.
Is that is that fair, or?

Speaker 1 (02:14:15):
kind of I've got more , um, okay, kind of one of the
the, so okay, I'll go.
So you don't.
You don't assume anything.
My point is do I understand whythis guy fired?
I do.
He exhausted all his resourcesand he had nothing else left and
he fired.
And I will say that standardacross the board when it comes

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to policing.
He will be justified in this,they will justify it.
But my point, what I'm trying tosay, had this person and all
cops taken this career fieldseriously and prepared properly,
they would have never got tothis.
They would have never got tothis point.
He wouldn't have went to abaton or a taser or threatened

(02:14:59):
to shoot as early as he did.
That was one of the firstthings he said out of his mouth.
I will shoot you Because hedidn't have the confidence in
his training, he wasn't properlytrained, he didn't take the
preparation it takes to do thisjob.
To go hands-on, that is not acomplicated hands-on situation.
And you could tell that becausewhen he did go hands-on, that

(02:15:22):
is not a complicated hands-onsituation.
And you could tell that becausewhen he did go hands-on he was
on the radio.
Who goes hands-on and gets onthe radio, right?
So that is kind of the pointthat I'm trying to make.
With what happened here do Iunderstand why he got to the
point where he did fire?
He didn't leave himself anyother choice.
But what I don't like is whenhe decided to fire.

(02:15:43):
We're in an open field withdistance time, so well, how do
we judge when we do use force,time, distance and opportunity?
There was time and distance andzero opportunity for this guy
to do anything.
His hands were empty empty.

Speaker 7 (02:15:58):
I can't agree more.
There was a similar videorecently.

Speaker 1 (02:16:01):
The Aurora, Colorado one.

Speaker 7 (02:16:03):
I think that was it.

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
I haven't said shit because I heard a gun was
involved somewhere.
I just don't know where it's at, so I haven't said anything.

Speaker 7 (02:16:11):
Yeah, so I agree, if you can get space.
Yeah.
Preserve life right.

Speaker 6 (02:16:19):
All the cars there you could have done ring around
the rosies.
Yeah, I've done that.
I was right.

Speaker 1 (02:16:25):
I've told that story on here.
I had a guy that had a barbecuetool and I was at my car.
We did a little Benny Hillaround the car for a second.
He was demented and he was like400 pounds, so I mean heavily
out of shape.
He was already breathing heavywhen he got out to me and he was
having something going on, Icould tell, and I I used the car

(02:16:48):
to to tire him out a little bit.
But then I realized I was likeman, I'm on a straightaway.
I was like let me.
I baited him.
I literally I was like you arenot going to get me with that,
you're a slow bitch.
Like I Talked shit to himIntentionally.

Speaker 6 (02:17:03):
Got him out of his oodle loop and the point wasn't
to demean him.

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
Yes, I wasn't trying To demean him, it was to get.
I had a purpose behind it.
I articulated that I was likethe reason.
I swore at him and I owned it.
I put it in my report that Idid curse at him and I ran down
at him and I owned it.
I put it in my report that Idid curse at him and I ran down
the street and he chased me.
But I knew my cardio.
I was good to go.
I didn't want to have to shootthe guy.
My backup arrived as I'm downthe street.

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I had like a fucking 50 yarddistance between us.
There was no people out there.
He was only a threat to me andmy partners got there and one of
the partners ended up tasinghim.
So who's a smart guy?
I tired him out.
He wasn't getting me and thensomebody else tased him.
I didn't have to do shit right,right.

Speaker 7 (02:17:48):
You know there's that officer level and that that
that goes to the, the culture of, uh, some officers just wanting
to get some right and I don't,they, don't they don't want to
do the smart thing that you did.

Speaker 1 (02:18:00):
Yeah, I don't ever I don't you got a lot of cops.
They just, they just want toget some right and I don't, they
don't, they don't want to dothe smart thing that you did
yeah, I don't, ever, I don't.

Speaker 7 (02:18:03):
You got a lot of cops .
They just, they just want toget some yeah and that's.
That's where we end up in.

Speaker 1 (02:18:07):
Yeah, and I would always fuck around with my
rookies, you know as a sergeant,like all right, let's go on
getting to some shit and that'sjust to get them, you know,
pumped up about doing policework.
But realistically and I'll tellthem like, listen, a good night
is when we don't have to doanything.

Speaker 7 (02:18:22):
It's a great night absolutely that's a great night
and that comes with years andexperience, right yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:18:28):
But I tell my guys, when you do have to do something
, let's do it right, yeah.
And let's train, let's debrief,let's figure out how we could
have done what we did, even ifwe think we did it perfect.
Let's talk about it, let's tryto do it better, because we can
always do better.
So, sergeants out there,debrief always if you can, even
on simple things, debrief withyour guys.

(02:18:49):
It really a lot of stuff comesout of that motherfucking
centurion.
I am going to ban you.
I'm going to ban the shit outof you.
You son, son of a bitch.
He keeps roasting me.

Speaker 6 (02:19:00):
I would completely agree with this comment by
Marine Blood here on aconversation that they had there
.
Tim, part of the problem isbecause there's no serious
consequences for crime, socriminals are getting bolder,
and thus police need moremilitary-style equipment to make
it home.
We're having to.

(02:19:24):
You know, it's not just anylonger the Batman belt that we
carry, it's all the other thingsthat are in our patrol units as
well.
You know you, you have tacticalshields and you have, you know,
shotguns and rifles and all theother things.
You can't do your job well, youdon't just show up with a
Batman belt.

Speaker 1 (02:19:45):
Right, yep, craig Holcomb Good point.
I don't know why I'm typing itout now that I can say it.
He said it's hard to put a 400pound man in a DARS man.
The EH Taylor's hitting hardtonight in a darts choke.
Yeah, you ain't lying.
You shouldn't be choking people.

(02:20:05):
You shouldn't be choking people.
However, I highly disagree thatwe shouldn't be allowed to choke
people.
I've told people this a milliontimes.
There are thousands of jujitsuplaces in America that are the
most basic of LLCs and they holdthe liability insurance of

(02:20:28):
choking each other out daily.
How do I know?
I've done jujitsu since 06 andI go to these gyms all the time
and I've been choked out becauseI'm a stubborn asshole and I
come back alive every timebecause they're trained, they
know what they're doing.
There's look at Germany, germanpolice.

(02:20:49):
I like pointing them outbecause they've used the what
it's called the rear naked chokeor the lateral vascular neck
restraint, or whatever you wantto call it, and it is a great
tool.
But here in America, the mediahas spun chokes into what they
think it is and it is a toolthat could be used, if trained

(02:21:10):
properly, and really help lowerpeople getting injured,
including bad guys.

Speaker 7 (02:21:19):
It's saved lives right.

Speaker 1 (02:21:20):
It's never going to happen in the United States it's
just not popular.
Yep, not for the next 20 years,at least Not until people come
back around on it.
That's all I can say.
Maybe you aren't Batman, youare a public servant.
Hey, it's a Batman belt.

Speaker 7 (02:21:39):
Come on, bro, it's comic books eric, I'm gonna
disappear for 20 seconds,brother, no worries, brother uh,
mayflower kid dude, they justcall it a batman, belt, they're
not claiming to be batman yeah,I'm not out there because my
parents got murdered and I'mtrying to Trying to get
vengeance and justice.

Speaker 6 (02:22:00):
The Joker's going to show up.

Speaker 1 (02:22:02):
Yeah, yeah, the Joker Batman Bell Again.
Mayflower, I know you're newhere with what we're doing, but
don't let yourself get wrappedinto the little semantical
things about what we're talkingabout.
Think about the bigger picture.
Think about calling it a Batmanbelt.
Is that really a concern?
Is that really going to changeanything?

(02:22:24):
Relax, it's not a big deal.
I'm glad you're laughing, thankyou, um so, uh, yeah, let's, uh
, let's go to another video here.
I'm going to pull up this guy.
We're going to share screen.
Oh, oh wait, it shared meinstead of the video.

(02:22:45):
All right, biggie size this,will we all right?
all right, let's get you ready,alan I am the volumes I don't
know, okay, so this is a newthing youtube's doing the the
volume is down on every singlevideo, so you're having to bring
it up.
I gotta bring it up.
Yeah, it's crazy.
I don't like it.
This is a new thing YouTube'sdoing.

Speaker 6 (02:23:01):
The volume is down on every single video, so you're
having to bring it up.

Speaker 1 (02:23:02):
I got to bring it up.
Yeah, that's crazy.
I don't like it.
Okay, let's go.
All right, looks like we havepatrol cars in front of us and
guy on the bike.
Okay, let's talk aboutreasonable, prudent person, um a

(02:23:27):
reasonable and prudent personwith a fully uniformed officer
standing here as you can see mymouth, uh and a fully marked
patrol vehicle and fully markedpatrol vehicles flashing their
lights back here.
I don't know if our guy that'sour dash cam is doing that.
They're not going to think thatthey're free to leave.

(02:23:50):
So I think it's fair to saythat this person is
intentionally trying to evadepolice.

Speaker 7 (02:23:59):
Sorry fellas, what do we got?

Speaker 1 (02:24:02):
Okay, you haven't missed much.
I'll go back.
So what you'll be able to seehere, ryan, why does it keep
doing that, making me bigger?
So in the background you cansee lights flashing, so it looks
like there's some patrolvehicles down there.
We're arriving to scene andthen you'll see a uniformed

(02:24:32):
officer in the street.
So we got about right here andI would say it's pretty obvious
that these officers are tryingto stop this guy on the bike and
fully, fully uniformed officer,fully marked vehicles with
lights all going.
I we don't know if they'resirens, because it's silent
right now I I would think anyreasonable and prudent person
would believe that they are notfree to leave and these officers
are trying to stop you so willyou explain the volume thing?

(02:24:55):
somebody's making a commentabout it um, the volume will be
down on all your videos till youturn it up again and close out
your browser and restart.
Oh, okay, well, I'm not closinganything because I've already
got these videos pulled up, sobut let's keep going.
Okay, come on, dude, you hadthem all right, this whole thing

(02:25:19):
.
I don't know what's going tohappen in this video, but I can
tell you right now this was themoment it all could have been
stopped, and it wasn't Becausewhy he had the opportunity right
here.
This guy could have been takendown here.
He hesitated, he double-steppedand then he hesitated.

(02:25:39):
So I don't know what's going tohappen, but this guy could have
stopped it right here.
Looks like this officer iscoming in, maybe from the same
direction, I don't know, I'msorry.

Speaker 3 (02:25:58):
Copy needed 20F, x-ray 34,.
I missed what you said.
I can't get this UPS.

Speaker 6 (02:26:17):
Copy.

Speaker 1 (02:26:27):
Gun.
Get on the ground right now.
You're gonna get shot.
Bad position to be in.
I already heard him call outgun.
This guy's giving weird signals.
Kind of looks like he doesn'twant no smoke, but he's got a
gun.
Maybe he's doing suicide by cop.

Speaker 7 (02:26:40):
I was going to say suicide by cop is what I'm
getting from this.

Speaker 1 (02:26:45):
Yeah, Brandar just donated another $5.
Brandar is dumping all hismoney on us tonight.
I appreciate you, brother.
He said I have seen officersclaim to be a subject to a
subject, that they are notdetained because their lights
are on.
Let me read that again.
I have seen officers claim to asubject they are not detained

(02:27:05):
because their lights are on.
It depends when I turn my lightson and I direct my attention to
you.
I think any reasonable andprudent person would believe
that they're being detained.
I think any reasonable andprudent person would believe
that they're being detained.
Lights do seize people.
That is the manner and whatthey're intended, as well as

(02:27:29):
being a warning that we'recoming through.

Speaker 6 (02:27:32):
And there's actually research on the different
patterns and the intent forthose different patterns either
to get attention or just to beheld yeah so there's like lots
of mental education that hasbeen studied on that yeah, bmhc

(02:27:53):
outdoors donated a dollar to us.

Speaker 1 (02:27:56):
We appreciate you too , brother.
Thank.
Thank you very much.
All right, let's keep going.
Right now I'm not seeing anyreason to fire, but that could
change in the drop of a hat.

Speaker 9 (02:28:09):
Drop it now.
You're going to get shot.

Speaker 1 (02:28:14):
Yep Right hand, right hand, I saw that Yep.

Speaker 6 (02:28:18):
I was waiting for that arm to move, that elbow to
move.

Speaker 1 (02:28:21):
Unfortunate, but if he's got a gun on him again, I'm
not taking that chance.
We heard him call out a gun.
They didn't fire and I don'tthink that was a hesitation.

Speaker 6 (02:28:37):
He made a decision not to fire at that moment.
He called out a gun.
He was giving him a chance.
That was a head hesitation.

Speaker 1 (02:28:39):
He made a decision not to fire at that moment yeah,
yeah, he called out a gun.
He was giving him a chance likeyep, so I'm gonna go back.
Um.
So, lots of talking, lots ofcommands going on get on the
ground.
He listened, he got on theground, but most people are

(02:29:02):
right-handed.
He sees the gun.
We don't, we don't I.
I can't see shit from wherewe're at.
Let me see if this gets anybetter quality.

Speaker 6 (02:29:12):
So, um, uh, hey, linkedin user, you've been
watching all night.
I know you're on banning's list.
Make sure to follow andsubscribe here and uh we.
That way we can get your namein the future and have a more
direct conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:29:27):
Okay, let me uh, fuck , honestly I can't tell.
Is that the gun, or is that thedecal on his fucking shirt?

Speaker 6 (02:29:39):
when it went back just a little bit and he had his
elbow in front of him, hisshirt moved, so he was down on
the ground.

Speaker 9 (02:29:49):
Get on the ground right now, you're going to get
shot.

Speaker 6 (02:29:52):
Oh, like he's pulling it up.
Yeah, like he pulled his shirtup to go forward.

Speaker 9 (02:29:56):
You're going to get shot Right.

Speaker 1 (02:29:59):
Yeah, the turning the back.
That's bad.
That shows me that you'rereaching for something Right as
he turns.

Speaker 6 (02:30:09):
His shirt moves.

Speaker 1 (02:30:10):
Yeah, I want you guys to watch him how he turns his
back to the officers as he'sdigging in.
Like that's bad Right here,like that is.
I can tell you right now Iwould have been on fucking high
alert right now yeah brian, yougot anything to add on that?

Speaker 7 (02:30:30):
yeah, I mean we.
I saw one recently.
Um, what do you guys thinkabout being very cautious with
your commands, right?
How many times have you seen acop get on the ground?
Show me your hands, drop theweapon, right?
That's three different fuckingthings at one time and then what
?
And the?
The video I I saw was a, afemale with a weapon at a, I

(02:30:54):
think a mcdonald's, and theofficer is saying show me your
hands, drop the.
Show me your hands, drop thegun.
Show me your hands, drop thegun.

Speaker 1 (02:31:01):
Well, how do you do both?

Speaker 7 (02:31:02):
She, she, she shows her hands but still has the gun
bang, right, yeah, so you got tounderstand.
You're at a heightened, youknow, sensitivity state.
Think about what these peopleare going through, right, and
they're literally this guy'she's nuts right now.

Speaker 1 (02:31:19):
Yeah.
He wouldn't be in this situationif he wasn't so it's important
to take that into consideration,because you got to watch your
commands, I mean yes, there'sanother one where there's a kid
at the end of a car, like at thehood of a car, and they're
telling, like you hear theofficer like, show me hands, or
whatever, and then you hearanother officer get on the
ground.
Well, the kid puts his handsdown to get on the ground and

(02:31:40):
the other officer lights them upand, um, I I plan to do a
reaction video to that um, uh,bmhc outdoors.
Thank you again, sir,appreciate the super chat, but
um, the it was again conflictingcommands, and this is why we
preach on here all the time.
One person gives commands,everybody else shut the fuck up.

(02:32:02):
And if you're the guy thatthinks that they've got control,
tell everybody else shut up,I've got it shut up, tell them.
So yeah, you gotta, you gottatake control.
You're gonna get shot rightthere.
This is what I don't like.
They've told you to get downand you turn your back reach and

(02:32:23):
now you're starting to get backup.
This is bad.
This is where I would havestarted shooting, and I
understand it.
And they already know thatthere's a gun there.

Speaker 9 (02:32:35):

Speaker 6 (02:32:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't think they had to wait as
long as they did.

Speaker 1 (02:32:41):
Yeah, I think they waited longer.
I give them credit and ofcourse we've got the luxury.
We're fucking going slow-mo.

Speaker 6 (02:32:48):
You're after my frame .

Speaker 1 (02:32:49):
You know, this is completely different guys.
This person, these officers inthat live situation, I think
that they restrained as long asthey could.

Speaker 6 (02:33:00):
Well, and we also don't know when he made that
decision, he was going to pullthe trigger, you know, like it
could have been earlier, in theresponse of him actually getting
the process done.
Yep, that takes time to use.

Speaker 1 (02:33:13):
Okay, let's cover, cover cover now everybody's
trying to process this is thething everybody's trying to
process what the fuck justhappened.

Speaker 9 (02:33:28):
Nobody wants this shit to happen get back here,
get back here, get back hereeverybody.
Good, I love the mid dotsthreeots.

Speaker 1 (02:33:39):
He is down.
We're working on givingcommands.
Somebody call the cop.
Yeah, they're not rushing it.
Officers have been shotmultiple times I shouldn't say
shot multiple times, but shot inmultiple incidences by getting
up to the scene too close toofast after shots were fired.
So Super Chat Craig Holcombsaid I can't wait to see what

(02:34:01):
conclusion you came to On thisone.
What are we talking about?
What conclusion?
Front of 1905 Main Street.
Yeah, I'm going for it.

Speaker 9 (02:34:14):
Hey, glove up, get a team ready.
We gotta move in here.

Speaker 1 (02:34:17):
Okay, good communication.
I love that, and I think youshould share the turkey video.
I know what he's talking about.
I don't have that one queued up, though.
What's a?

Speaker 6 (02:34:29):
good question here yeah aubrey on who's calling the
commands on a call there is noprotocol.

Speaker 1 (02:34:36):
You just kind of feel it, um, and and that when it
takes, if you do have multiplepeople trying to talk, normally
it comes down to who's the sheetofficer.
Ryan, did they call it thesheet officer where you were?

Speaker 7 (02:34:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:34:52):
Yeah.
So the person who's like a callcomes out, let's say you know,
I got a drunk guy at the bar, uh, that's refusing to leave.
Somebody's going to get on theradio or on the computer and say
I'll take that call.
That person is the sheetofficer.
They're the one that owns thecall.
They're the one that makes allthe decisions that are to happen
on that call.

(02:35:12):
So in this one, whoever thesheet officer is the one that
took the call, they technicallyshould be the one calling out
commands.
However, shit happens, this guyis the one that took the call.
They technically should be theone calling out commands.
However, shit happens, thisguy's the one that ends up
firing or got close or whateverit is.
It can switch even though thatother person over there is a
sheet officer.
This dude's the one to pull thetrigger.

(02:35:34):
I would be like all right, callit because guess what,
motherfucker, now it's yoursheet, it's not mine, so let's
keep going okay you got glovesguns by his head, uh so they can
see this gun not really talkingto us right now yeah, you shot
him, you're

Speaker 9 (02:35:53):
gonna crawl to us, if you can, all right so I like
this.

Speaker 1 (02:35:59):
They're just trying to create some distance and not
trying to make this guy fuckingsuffer.
They're just trying to createdistance from the gun and you
can't tell them throw the gun.
You don't want them to touch itagain.
So this makes sense.
Uh, mag dump said riversidecounty sheriff calls that
primary officer.
Yeah, that's another way to sayit, the primary.

Speaker 13 (02:36:17):
All right we got three ready.
All right, michael, on you,we're gonna move these guys are
not wasting any fucking time.

Speaker 1 (02:36:24):
I like this.
They are there to go help thisguy and they're being yeah,
they're being methodical yep,but they're being quick and
methodical and communicating.
I like what they're doing.
We've seen too many incidenceswhere they're just like all
right, let's wait for likeambulance to get here, we'll
tell them to stage, we're goingto stack up 15 wide over here

(02:36:46):
and then by the time the dude'sdead, like.

Speaker 7 (02:36:49):
Right.
Or on the flip side.
It's absolute fucking chaosyeah.

Speaker 6 (02:36:54):
Wasn't one guy just running up there and kicking the
gun away?

Speaker 1 (02:36:57):
They're doing it as a group, you know.
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 6 (02:36:58):
Yep there and kicking the gun away.

Speaker 1 (02:36:59):
Yeah, we're doing it as a group, you know.
Yeah, yep, yep, they'recommunicating really good right
now come over to me first, let'sgo okay, we're ready to move up
.

Speaker 7 (02:37:09):
We got hands you got hands okay, I got lethal ready
when you guys are all rightmoving good shit.

Speaker 9 (02:37:15):
Don't reach for that gun.
You're gonna get to get shotagain.

Speaker 1 (02:37:18):
Good commands, fucking beautiful.

Speaker 8 (02:37:21):
Grab his arms, move him away from the gun.

Speaker 6 (02:37:25):
All right Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (02:37:31):
We don't need to see any more than that.
That was fucking great, great.
We saw the gun there Seemedlike a good shoot.
Guys, who does the shoot, dothe report, everybody report and

(02:37:58):
all of that stuff.
This is going to be obviously amajor case incident.
Ia is going to look at it,everybody's going to be looking
at it.
Shootings are very, verydetailed, as they should be, and
hopefully whoever is thesergeant, the supervisor over

(02:38:18):
the scene, is going to be on theradio reminding every officer
that's on there like, hey, let'sget the crime scene set up,
let's start doing this, let'sstart doing that.
I need this person over here,me as a sergeant.
I'm going to be making thosenotifications because the sheet
officer or the officer that wasinvolved in the shooting they
got so much on their plate.

(02:38:39):
Now you got to help them, gotto help them out on this one.
So anybody got anything else toadd on that one.
You know, looking at the, Idon't see anything in the
comments where anybody's like,no, they shouldn't have shot,
nothing like that.
I think everybody seems to bein alignment on this one.

Speaker 7 (02:38:57):
Yeah, and it's I hate to when it.
I don't want to use the wordpretty, I don't want to say when
it looks pretty like that, likewhen it, when it looks perfect
I mean that almost lookedperfect.
yeah, it's rare, right?
I mean, just because somethingdoesn't look perfect or people

(02:39:18):
don't like the way it looksdoesn doesn't mean that the
shooting was bad.
That's just something I want tothrow out there because you
know you have those like that.
Just people most people canagree that that was a good shoot
because of just the way itlooked.

Speaker 1 (02:39:31):
Right, yeah, so you know, magdump asked two cops,
one donut and an officerinvolved shooting.
Would you, as a Sergeant, go tothe scene for the mop-up?
I, I would it one, I think it'smandatory you got to be out
there, but, um, I would be outthere anyway.
I'd be out there for my guys.
I would immediately go to thatofficer shut your mouth, don't

(02:39:54):
say a fucking word.
Sit in that car and and justfucking take it in because you
just you just shot a human being.
That's emotionally traumatic,like that is.
That is nothing anybody shouldgo through.
You don't need to be sayingstuff that.
You just don't need to besaying anything.
There's, there's plenty ofofficers that have been in a

(02:40:16):
perfectly legit shoot justspouting things off that just
don't come across the right wayto the public or anybody else.
Um, so in that, who literallymops up the blood?
Fd?

Speaker 7 (02:40:31):
they, they hose it down yeah, yes, and sometimes if
it's, if it's really bad, uh,there's professional contractors
, yeah yeah, um, so get themthere.

Speaker 1 (02:40:44):
it's just like you as a as a person, I've told this
to citizens.
I've been to houses where theyyou know you had self-defense.
I just tell them don't talklike my job as a cop it isn't
always to nail you, it's toadvise you of your rights.
Hey, this is your house.
Listen, just, I'm not going toask you any questions right now,

(02:41:06):
just go over here.
Let me get you checked out, getan attorney.
I can do that as a cop.
I'm allowed to have.
You ever done that, ryan?

Speaker 7 (02:41:15):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:41:17):
Don't say anything.
I'm not the last time.
The last thing I need to do isstart questioning you when you
are at your most vulnerable.
That's not going to help thecase.
You know what will help thecase?
The facts of the case.
I can get you if you truly didfuck up.
I'm going to get you based onthe facts of the case, not while
you're at a emotionally fuckedup part of your life.

Speaker 7 (02:41:39):
So I mean, and again, like I you know, we as, as cops
, we want to solve the caseRight, but if, if we're being
realistic, I'd advise anybody toget an attorney before they
speak to the police.

Speaker 1 (02:41:52):
I mean we're talking about your mouth.
Yeah, I mean if I think you'rea suspect, I got to read you
your rights anyway, so I can'tstart at like as soon as I think
you're a suspect, I gotta readyou your rights anyway.

Speaker 7 (02:42:07):
So I can't start at like as soon as I think you're a
suspect, I I gotta read youyour right thing, right, and if
you're trying to circumvent, ifyou're trying to get around uh,
you know, miranda, or trying asa cop, trying to uh coax
somebody into not getting anattorney, you're not doing the
fucking right thing.

Speaker 1 (02:42:17):
Nope, the minute you're trying you if you even
have an inkling that you'reyou're not doing the fucking
right thing.
Nope, the minute you're tryingyou, if you even have an inkling
that you're you're gettingaround.
Well, maybe if I just do thisreal quick like no, fuck you,
like that's the wrong mentality.
Uh, because a real case withreal evidence that miranda
warning ain't gonna make adifference it's not gonna change

(02:42:37):
shit.
Facts are the facts.
They're gonna lead right towhere they need to go.
So, um, but that's old school,you know.
Experience like rookies aren'taren't there yet.
Not not all, but some aren'tthere yet and they don't know
how to think these thingsthrough properly.
And we're here to help you out.
So, all right, let's go to.

(02:42:58):
Uh, let's go to an.
I, I'm in the mode, guys, I amtelling you, with us, anytime I
miss a week, the next week, I amfucking ready.
So I.
I was ready on friday you had towork.
But I know, bro, surprise me,you guys want to do on friday.
I was like bro, I gotta work,go ahead, I was gonna let you

(02:43:19):
run one.

Speaker 6 (02:43:19):
Hey, I was going to, and then the wife, you know, had
other job.
Things you can add ryan and I'mlike, let's get right yeah I'm
just banning.

Speaker 7 (02:43:27):
Can you, when you talk to him, can you tell him?
I just I miss his smile I knowright.

Speaker 1 (02:43:32):
Hey, bro, one thing you've never had from banning is
his hugs he's a big, big burlybastard.
He's the perfect hugger.
I believe one yeah, yep, he isa big teddy bear, like he is a
huge, big teddy bear.
Yeah, I just want to squeezethose cheeks I love it all right
, let me uh share the screenhere I know outdoors I I was

(02:43:56):
definitely a slacker.

Speaker 6 (02:43:57):
Happy wife, happy life.

Speaker 1 (02:44:02):
I tried to get these boys to run one while I wasn't
available, but it didn't happen.

Speaker 6 (02:44:06):
I was actually going to run them all the way and I
got called on the job, sosomeday I will have a job that
won't affect that.

Speaker 1 (02:44:18):
Let me biggie size this.
Oh, I'm clicking on the wrongscreen.
There we go, all right, youfellas.
Uh, tim said ever shoot someone, come question in our discord,
come get questioned our discord.
Oh shit, tim, love you buddy.
All right, let's say let's go,did I?
Biggie says I did?
Biggie says oh shit, we'redealing with a fire.

(02:44:43):
All right, I don't know howmany fires y'all have dealt with
.
I've dealt with house fires andcar fires.
This is the two most intenseheats I've ever felt in my life,
and I can tell you right nowwhere this officer is at.
He's hurting, already Hurting.
This is scary shit.
Already hurting, this is scaryshit.

(02:45:08):
Car fires, I think, are moreintense at some points than a
house fire.
I don't know why, um, but carfires are fucking gnarly.
So, uh, let's, I'm okay.
Let me say that mag dump said20, says banning and Balch are
out Enjoying the night and notExperiencing internet outage.
You know what?
I got $20 on that too.
I think you're right.
I think you're right.

Speaker 7 (02:45:30):
That's awesome.
It was kind of convenient theway that internet went out.

Speaker 1 (02:45:34):
I know Right.
When he showed up, what's theodds?
Alright, let's keep going whenyou at Great.
When he showed up, what's the?

Speaker 9 (02:45:43):
odds.
All right, let's keep goingwhen you at.
Come to the window.
Open the window, push it out,break the window.
Break it.

Speaker 1 (02:45:53):
He's helping him think through it.

Speaker 9 (02:45:55):
Yeah, it sounds like a kid, I like it.
Hard, hard, hard, hard, hard,hard, hard.
He almost got it.
Come on, kid, kid, I like it.

Speaker 1 (02:46:15):
He's struggling.
You can hear him coughing.
God, I'm like on pins andneedles.

Speaker 9 (02:46:21):
There you go kiddo Yo , tommy, come to the side of the
house, Come on, come on.

Speaker 1 (02:46:27):
Catch him, God please .

Speaker 9 (02:46:31):
Come on, clear the radio.

Speaker 7 (02:46:35):
Come on, bro Come on kiddo, Look at that smoke.
He's not going to be able totake much more of that.

Speaker 1 (02:46:39):
I was going to say you guys wondering why we're
pushing so hard, is that smokewill take you out so fast?
I've been in it.
I'm sure all three of theseguys have been these two guys.

Speaker 7 (02:46:50):
They take you out before the fire.

Speaker 1 (02:46:51):
Yeah, exactly, just in a car fire I've tried to rip
somebody out and almost ate shitpassing out just from a car
fire smoke.
It's gnarly Allen, is that jobtaking off your shirt for camera
, because the shirt off withAllen makes so much sense?
Then you guys are sickos.

(02:47:12):
Alright, I'm glad you made melaugh because I was getting
emotional from this.

Speaker 6 (02:47:18):
Come on.

Speaker 1 (02:47:18):
Come on.

Speaker 9 (02:47:19):
I got you, bro, because I was getting emotional
from this.
Yeah, yeah, Come on, come on,come on, come on.
I got you, bro, I got you, Igot you, just jump, we got you
Jump.
Jump.
Jump.
He's going to say Come on, he'spassed off.
You're right.
You're right, just jump.

Speaker 1 (02:47:44):
We're there, you go Not a boy and don't get it
twisted.
We're not calling that cop ahero.
That kid saved himself.
Yeah, he did.
You just needed a littleencouragement.
That was it.

Speaker 7 (02:47:56):
And I know how fast fires can go, but where was FD?
I thought I heard sirens in thebackground, but man, a ladder
would have been a great thing.

Speaker 1 (02:48:07):
Yeah, yeah, cause I worried about that AC unit right
there.
I mean the kid would have gotfucked up, he would be alive.

Speaker 6 (02:48:15):
Well, you know, and how many of those house fires
have you gone to?
Nobody's in there, but all thenoises of the fire sound like
people are in there crying.
You just want to go in, but youdon't know for sure.
Somebody's in there, twoofficers.

Speaker 1 (02:48:32):
I work with just before.
I got to the team they hadrescued.
They went into a firethemselves, officer Bell and
Officer Stewart, the team theyhad rescued, uh, they went into
a fire themselves, officer belland officer, uh, stewart.
So I'll give them shout outs.
But they, they ran into a fireand they got, um, I think, our
highest accommodations that wehave and, uh, saved kids.
So, um, amazing stuff.

(02:48:53):
But to what you're saying, likeyou think you hear shit, and I
think that's what drew them in.
To what you're saying like youthink you hear shit, I think
that's what drew them in.
They didn't know, but luckilyit worked out.
I'm gonna tell you, I'm thebiggest bitch when it comes to

(02:49:17):
fires.
I hate them.
I don't like being around them.
Just too many bad experiencesLike there's nothing when you
have no gear.
There's nothing worse thangetting to a car that's fully
engulfed and you can't evenphysically get close enough to

(02:49:37):
try to help the people you knoware inside.
I've been in those shoes.

Speaker 6 (02:49:42):
It's, it's, it's horrible, horrible spot and all
you can do is stand there.

Speaker 1 (02:49:47):
Yeah, when you're trained to do something you're
trained to do something and Ican tell you, even 20, 30, 40,
50 feet away, it's too intense,I can't even get close.
You're trying, you want to andyou just can't and have you guys
ever seen these hybrid policefirefighter paramedics?

Speaker 7 (02:50:07):
they're, they're all in one yeah, you guys seen that.

Speaker 1 (02:50:09):
Yeah, I've seen that that's an interesting concept
yeah, I can tell you right now,I would never train to do that,
no, okay.
So, um, quick story.
Uh, my grandfather was afirefighter.
He was a captain at the timewhen I was a kid, but he ended
up being the chief for a littlebit.
Um, I was I don't know 12 andthe way that it was.

(02:50:35):
Uh, he, if a fire went out, evenif he was in his personal
vehicle, he had the lights andthe sirens on his personal
vehicle and he would go.
So he was watching me.
One day he had a fire.
I went with him, we go to thething and of course the kid and
me I'm like, let me go, let mego.
And he finally gave in.
So I go to a fire with him andit was a house fire.

(02:50:56):
Now, he didn't ride in thetruck, which always fucking
pissed me off.
I wanted to ride in the truckwith him.
He didn't ride in the truck, herode in the medical van.
So I rode in that and we go tothe scene and he's like don't
leave the van.
So I'm sitting in the fuckingvan.
It sucks and it's a house fireand I'm looking at it the best I

(02:51:19):
can and the next thing I knowthe two back doors fly open and
he yells to the front Eric, youkeep your eyes front, don't you
look your ass back here?
I was like my grandpa doesn'tswear at me.

Speaker 7 (02:51:33):
So something horrible happened.

Speaker 1 (02:51:35):
So me, I'm like fuck that.
I'm looking, so you know, alittle shit, a 12 year old, so
it was a smell.
So whatever he, the doors openup, all of a sudden the smell
comes in.
I look back there and it was alittle girl my age or close to,
just fucked up from the fire.

(02:51:56):
And that was the moment.
That was the moment in my lifeI, I, I think I had known I was
always going to be a firefighterbecause of my grandfather,
because he was like the biggestinfluence of my life, uh, taught
me how to hunt, fish, all thatstuff.
But after that I couldn't do it.
It just scared me straight.

(02:52:18):
I was.
I was like, well, I'll be a cop.

Speaker 7 (02:52:21):
How old were you?

Speaker 1 (02:52:22):
12.

Speaker 7 (02:52:23):
Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 1 (02:52:24):
Yeah, 12.
I can still smell it.

Speaker 7 (02:52:28):
When I think about it today, I can smell it.
Oh yeah, you never lose that.

Speaker 1 (02:52:31):
In the intensity, the heat I could feel from across
the street where the van wasparked.
We weren't even directly across, we were like cat, yeah, catty
corner from it and it was justintense.
As soon as I opened I had toshut the door.
I remember shutting the doorbecause the fire heat intensity
was too much yeah, it was crazy.

Speaker 7 (02:52:51):
Can could you imagine running into that?
No like we always.
Cops and firefighters have therunning joke.
They joke with us, we joke withthem, but I gotta give it to
them, man, yeah, I couldn't dothat, shit, I couldn't.
And firefighters have therunning joke.
They joke with us, we joke withthem, but I gotta give it to
them, man, yeah I couldn't dothat shit.

Speaker 1 (02:53:03):
I couldn't.
And firefighters will tell youthe same thing about police work
they couldn't do what we do.
I think that's why we we havethe you know, and there's,
there's always a hybrid, the onethat can do both.

Speaker 7 (02:53:15):
But yeah, I haven't seen that much.
I've seen it, but it neverreally took off.
Yeah, right, it's a conceptthat I don't know somebody came
up with, which kind of like thethe way it's presented it kind
of makes sense.
Right, wouldn't you want anall-in-one?
It does but it but it doesn'twork, it just doesn't, doesn't

(02:53:37):
because you're now.
You're thejack-of-all-master-of-none right
, there's too much info.

Speaker 1 (02:53:41):
It's too much info there you go it's very hard,
like for me.
I am a plethora of knowledgewhen it comes to law enforcement
.
Now you're going to try to putall that firefighter info in my
head and the medical info in myhead yeah I.
I just I don't have it.
I don't have the capacity.
It's too much.
That's three professions in oneand that's why I get on.
People that are like copsshould know all the laws.

(02:54:04):
Get the fuck out of here.
I'm not a lawyer, and you knowwhat a lawyer has the luxury of
doing Looking up the law andhaving time.
I don't have that.
I got to make a decision on thespot.
Yep.
So I'm not trying to cop explain, but it sounds like I'm cop
explaining.
I fully admit that, but that'snot the intent.

(02:54:25):
The intent is the expectationsare too high.
You can't now my daughter's agenius, she could know all that
shit, but I don't have the braincapacity for that yeah, my, my
brother's a lawyer.

Speaker 7 (02:54:37):
He was a uh a and now he's got his own practice.
So we talk a lot.
People are built different,right?
I couldn't be a lawyer, hewouldn't be a cop, you wouldn't
be a firefighter.
So different strokes fordifferent folks, right, but to
mix it all in one is not.

Speaker 1 (02:54:57):
Yeah, I don't think it's possible.
I think you could, but I don'tthink it's possible.
I think you could, but I don'tthink you're gonna have a good
product.

Speaker 7 (02:55:03):
No, you're gonna have a mediocre product in
everything right, and that's whyI don't think it's taken off at
this.

Speaker 1 (02:55:08):
Yeah, so yeah, it's just too much now in a small
town.
Yeah, it makes sense maybe yeahbut in the cities, you know,
alan, even though your fuckingcamera's off, bro, we can hear
you eating snacks or whateverthe hell you're doing alan's
snacking I know son of a bitchlove you guys, I don't know what

(02:55:33):
you were digging around in, butI could hear it.

Speaker 6 (02:55:35):
I knew I had muted that evidently not the Discord
family saw what I was eating.

Speaker 1 (02:55:43):
Oh shit, all right Actually.

Speaker 7 (02:55:46):
I didn't meet Alan in the beginning.

Speaker 1 (02:55:47):
Oh, you didn't meet Alan.

Speaker 7 (02:55:49):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:55:50):
I'm rude.
Okay, so Alan Ryan Ryan, alanAlan was a he's now a reserve
officer, but he was a Brown,brownfield, brownfield,
brownfield, Brownfield, texas,podunk as podunk gets.
So he's got a unique view andhe's got a lot to attest when it
comes to training, because alot of the shit I talk about how

(02:56:12):
small agencies don't get thetraining that our larger
agencies take for granted.
So that's good stuff, good,good perspective to have it's
good to meet you, brother yeah,normally I'm in the background
when there's a you know biggroup of stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:56:29):
I you know have uh do a lot of the behind the scenes
stuff.

Speaker 7 (02:56:33):
So so it, alan.
Are you part of the dtv uh?

Speaker 6 (02:56:38):
I'm.
I'm part of the behind thescenes of that yeah.
So we all do so.
Yeah, it's, there's a largegroup of us in that, yep.

Speaker 1 (02:56:49):
Yep, for sure.
And and one of the things thatI want to make clear about the
DTV stuff is, like you'll see,like in the pilot, you're only
going to see Banning and Mattand Jared Right, it's the pilot.
We just going to see banningand matt and jared right, it's
the pilot.
We just had to get some stuffdone.
We had a limited budget, but asthis stuff goes on, you're
going to see everybody.
Everybody's going to have theirroles, it's gonna.
So I don't want people thatthat I sit with alan people to

(02:57:12):
freak out.
I didn't see him in the show.
Alan is our wish.
Timu, chris Kattan.

Speaker 7 (02:57:19):
Oh man.

Speaker 1 (02:57:20):
Oh, you kind of look like Chris Kattan.
I didn't think about that.

Speaker 6 (02:57:25):
I like it.
What was the one they werecalling me the other day?

Speaker 1 (02:57:27):
Oh, Tim Robbins.

Speaker 6 (02:57:30):
Tim Robbins.

Speaker 1 (02:57:31):
From Shawshank Redemption yeah, oh shit.
Let's finish the fire video.

Speaker 7 (02:57:36):
I just saw it.
Yeah, tim Robbins, he does,doesn't he?
Yeah, dude, I knew it wassomething 299,.

Speaker 9 (02:57:49):
Are you inside?

Speaker 1 (02:57:51):
That's a fire.
You don't want to open thatfront door with Johnny.

Speaker 9 (02:58:01):
We got one top four trying to get out right now.
Jump, jump, jump.
We got you just jump, jump,jump, jump.
Get you through.
Brother, come on Jump, you'reall right.
Jump, just jump.
We're right here, we're righthere.
Just jump, jump, jump, just doit, do it.
We got him.
We got him.
Go, joe, you do it, you got him, you got him.
Go, go, go, let's go.

Speaker 1 (02:58:22):
Get the little man up , let's go.
Oh there's the ladder.
Let's go.
I like it.

Speaker 9 (02:58:28):
Come on, come on, you're all right, buddy, I'm in,
you're all right.
Breathe, breathe, breathe,breathe, breathe, breathe.

Speaker 6 (02:58:42):
I like that.
You know that's one of those.
I think that's a directreflection, sorry, of when we
sit here and talk about likepeople are saying things and
continuing things on just in ashoot video, but how amped are
they?
And like they're telling thekid to breathe you don't think
he's trying to breathe, butthey're like, yeah, trying to

(02:59:05):
help him.
And that's the exact same thingthat happens in a shoot
situation where you have allthis training, but you're you,
you get stuck in this process ofyou know, all these thoughts
are coming out at once and it'sreality kicks in yeah we're all
susceptible to saying dumb shitin the moment because you don't

(02:59:27):
think that kid was trying tobreathe just right now, of
course he's trying to breathe,but fuck, what else do you say,
right, what?

Speaker 1 (02:59:35):
else do you?
Say like you're just trying tohelp in any way you can.

Speaker 7 (02:59:39):
I mean what a moment You're staring at a kid who's
about to die.
Yep, I mean, it's very hard tokeep it together.
Yeah, you know, I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:59:48):
Yeah, kid cases are the hardest.

Speaker 7 (02:59:51):
And that's where you know we talk about.
I hate the term humanizing thebadge.
I don't like that.

Speaker 6 (02:59:56):
Right, we certainly don't need tiktok.

Speaker 1 (02:59:59):
Uh, cops, dance around, tiktok to do that right,
but you see something like thishave you guys seen my latest
dancing video that I did?
Oh no you dance.
I don't dance.
Are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 11 (03:00:12):
I like your face, though he went from like you
twerk eric oh, you got the twerk.

Speaker 7 (03:00:20):
You're gonna bring up the horse dance like oh,
that'll do shit, cops don'tdance.
Well, old school cops don'tdance.
No, now these younger guys areon tiktok right I, I hate it,
bro, I hate it I do too, theonly dance that I've ever seen
where I go.

Speaker 1 (03:00:36):
Okay, I like that.
It was uh tillman, I think hislast name is oh the the.
Uh, he's a black.
Um, uh, what I call schoolresource officer, and he danced
with the school kids.

Speaker 7 (03:00:48):
Yeah, and they all did it together, like I.

Speaker 1 (03:00:51):
I like that.
That means you took your schoolresource officer stuff
seriously.
You got involved with the kidsenough to where they supported
you to come dance with them,like that was awesome.
I liked that.
But the making shorts and reels, I eric only tricks when
there's a spider.
Yeah, you damn right, I try toget them like that.
But yeah, tillman was the onlydude where I was like all right

(03:01:14):
cool because he didn't do thatto get on and shake his ass.

Speaker 7 (03:01:19):
He was but you know what I'm talking about.
I know exactly what you'retalking about I love it.

Speaker 1 (03:01:23):
I send the videos to iso because he knows I can't say
shit.
Oh, he fucking hates, hehammers him oh god, he'll spend
a whole episode on it.
Yep, yep, I'll send him to iso.
But hey, bro, I don't know ifyou're aware of this one, he
goes.
Nope, I haven't seen that one.

Speaker 7 (03:01:39):
Thank you, yeah well, I don't think back to when we
were kids, right and you, yousaw a policeman sharp right,
crisp could cut shit with hisuniform razor blade, right, yeah
.
And to, to fast forward totoday, it's yeah, fuck man, what
happened?

Speaker 1 (03:01:55):
right and I was a shit.
I was not a good kid.
I want to think that I wasn'teither.
I did some dumb shit growing uparound the flint area.
Oh my god, yeah I love my.

Speaker 7 (03:02:08):
I love my dad, and he was a cop right so was mine,
and yeah, same thing just finest.
I mean I could show youpictures of my dad in his
uniform.
It could just cut glass.
It was that sharp and I waslike that's what I want to be.
You know, high school I didn'tadmit it because everybody hated
cops, right all my friendshated me but I was like that's,
that's what I'm gonna be.

(03:02:29):
And so to see that, yeah, gofrom that to to idiots dancing
around on tiktok, I just so.
I agree with iso on that, youknow, yeah I agree too.

Speaker 1 (03:02:40):
It's a discussion.
As soon as the defense findsthat, how do you go to court?
You know, there's way worse too.
There's way worse shit.
Female cops getting on thereacting dumb, saying you know lip
syncing over explicit explicitlanguage right, yeah, just right
all sorts of stupid shit that Isee.

(03:03:01):
I'm just like what do you?

Speaker 7 (03:03:02):
think about agencies allowing it, because a lot of
them do.

Speaker 1 (03:03:06):
Yeah, yeah, and they'll take their hot females
and they'll put them out thereand exploit them to recruit and
all that shit.
And I'm just like what in thefuck are you thinking?
I don't get it just like.

Speaker 6 (03:03:23):
What in the fuck are you thinking?
I don't get it.
Could you imagine, like justbacking up to 2009, where
recruiting teams from differentagencies?
Could you imagine what thosegroups would think about the
recruiting agencies of today,like they're rolling over, like
it was so, like I, it was justdifferent.
And that's only 16, 17 yearsago.

(03:03:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:03:47):
Yeah, absolutely.
I remember, uh, when I went infor my initial interview for, uh
, the Baltimore policedepartment and uh a guy came in,
he was, he was right after meand uh the recruiter came out
and he said uh, I said nineo'clock, not 901, take a hike.
The kid was like are youserious?
You get out like it was thatserious then now you can dance

(03:04:10):
around and make a fool ofyourself.

Speaker 6 (03:04:11):
It's uh, it's insane man I have a friend that didn't
get his interview in in southtexas because he there was a
picture on his friend'sinstagram of him holding a beer.

Speaker 1 (03:04:24):
Oh, yeah, yeah that's a dumb reason to not be in the
process.

Speaker 6 (03:04:28):
I agree, but I was like it is to alan's point,
that's how serious it used to be.

Speaker 7 (03:04:34):
Yeah, I drank underage for sure yeah guilty.

Speaker 1 (03:04:39):
Yeah, bm bmhc outdoors donated another dollar
to the show.
Thank you so much.
Uh, you guys have been goingnuts tonight without harrison
here, so we really appreciatethat harrison's usually our
driving horse for uh supportingthe show.
So thank you very much.
Um, it does.
It does help guys.
I know it doesn't seem like wedo a whole lot, but if you

(03:05:03):
follow our discord and see someof the stuff we do in behind the
scenes, there's a whole lotthat goes into it.
I spent and this isn't a humblebrag, but I spent from 4 pm
till midnight yesterday tryingto get this new piece of gear.
I'm staring at it right nowbecause I gotta send it back.

Speaker 7 (03:05:21):
I'm so pissed it didn't work out the way I wanted
it to bro, I don't know how youdo it as a full-time cop, a
supervisor and doing, doing this, how do you?
You don't sleep, do you?

Speaker 6 (03:05:31):
I don't on like then the videos he makes it's
phenomenal to watch him do it.
I don't know how he pulls itoff in the amount of time you do
it.
It's impressive, it really is.

Speaker 7 (03:05:47):
I appreciate it With family kids.
We're a lot alike.
We're the same age, right?
I've got two kids.
I'm married, I work a full-timejob, I'm a cop.
How do you do it, bro?
How?

Speaker 1 (03:06:04):
And I'll tell people.
I'll kind of give you a littlebehind the scenes.
When I wake up, the first thingI'm doing is editing a reel or
a short.
It's a smoke wagon, right.
I'm editing a reel or a short.
So when I film, I'll do.
This is a video actually I'mabout to release here soon.
Um, I filmed a behind thescenes and, uh, I film 30 to 40

(03:06:28):
of those videos, the shorts thatI do, uh, in a day.
So I like on a Saturday, I'm onmy day off, the kids are with
their friends or whatever, andI'll come in here for a few
hours and I will knock out everysingle short.
I've got a month's worth ofmaterial and then every morning
I edit one.

(03:06:49):
So it takes me 15 minutes maybe20, to edit it.
Once that's done, then I postit at noon every day for all of
our platforms.

Speaker 7 (03:07:01):
That makes sense, because you had mentioned you
were like I gave a shout out toMontero, so I'm checking, I'm
checking, checking the videos,I'm checking.
I couldn't see it, but then iteventually came out, so it makes
sense, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:07:14):
Yeah, it took a little bit, but Yep, yep, that's
exactly what happened was I hadfilmed all these things.
I remember I had told in one ofthem I was giving you a shout
out, and then, just a matter ofwhen I got to it to edit.

Speaker 7 (03:07:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's all I did.
You said I think it's RyanMonteiro.
It's actually Monteiro.
Like remember the MitsubishiMonteiro?
Yes, the SUV, that's how it'spronounced.
Okay, yeah, I wasn't sure howto say it.
Most people call me Monty, butit's crazy work what you do, man
.
It really is.
I couldn't imagine.

(03:07:47):
I don't have time to doanything and you're out here
doing this.

Speaker 1 (03:07:53):
It's a passion, for sure.

Speaker 7 (03:07:56):
It's an obsession passion what started it.
It's an obsession.
Passion what started it.

Speaker 1 (03:07:59):
So when I was getting my master's degree, I had an
incident where we were at at thetime this was before I was
going for my degree my degreerequired a thesis.
So when I was coming up for thethesis, I needed something and
I wasn't sure what it was goingto be and I came up with this

(03:08:19):
based on my experience.
When I was a patrolman, I hadan NPO and I don't know if you
guys had these where you're at,but a neighborhood patrol
officer.
They were the liaison betweenthe community and the beat
officer.
So my beat officer, um, or, I'msorry, my NPO was Guadarrama
Give him a shout out Sergio andme.

(03:08:42):
We had a beat and me, being atech nerd, I was like, hey, dude
, there's this thing coming outon Facebook called groups.
I was like we should create agroup for our beat and then we
can share information and like,update each other and like
that'd be cool.
And so he's like, hell, yeah,let's fucking go, because he was
a go-getter, like he was a verydifferent type of npo.

(03:09:03):
So when the groups came out, hecreated the group, sent it out
in a mass email to all of ourpeople in our beat that were,
you know a part of our emailgroups and that's what we did.
So, you know, a few months goout and we're.
This was before next door appand before ring and all this

(03:09:23):
shit yeah, and uh, we're killingit like it's working, like
everybody loves it.
we're sharing information.
Well, these kids were goingaround pulling handles one night
on doors, uh, and to peoplethat don't know what that means.
They were trying to break intovehicles, and so somebody shared
pictures of them from theirvideo camera on the group page

(03:09:46):
and sent it to Gwad.
So Gwad posted it out and said,hey, be on the lookout for
these two guys.
They could have been 16.
They could have been 24.
They were in that range, wedon't know.
And so Eric wanted to start abeat off group on Facebook.
It all makes sense now, youdirty son of a bitch.

Speaker 7 (03:10:06):
The comments are dirty, man.

Speaker 1 (03:10:09):
That's my fault.
I got them If you want dirtiercomments?

Speaker 6 (03:10:12):
please join us.
Yeah, If you want really dirtycomments.

Speaker 1 (03:10:15):
Go to our Discord page and see what Tim's saying.

Speaker 7 (03:10:17):
Sorry, tim, when I tell you I don't do social media
.
I don even know what discord isman, oh bro you got it, so just
go to the link.

Speaker 6 (03:10:25):
It's just signing, it's just like signing up to
facebook, and so we have thesechats and like sometimes the guy
will all go on to the lobbyafterwards.

Speaker 1 (03:10:34):
But go ahead, eric, finish your story, but um yeah,
so um, what the fuck was Italking about?

Speaker 7 (03:10:39):
you were talking.
You were talking about how, howtwo cops, oh yeah so, um.

Speaker 1 (03:10:45):
So we created the group page and these kids, um
were pulling handles andsomebody complained.
There was an attorney thatlived in that beat and said
you're showing minors.
And sent it to the chief andthe chief's, like no more.
Social media pulled the triggeron that right away.
Well, the community got pissedand they threw a town hall
emergency town hall meeting thevery next day, called the media,

(03:11:08):
called the chief, said youbetter show up to this.
So chief shows up.
Media is already there.
All these people created likeyou know, like when somebody is
killed, especially in the hood,and they got the you know rip
with the like.
They had that for Gwad.
It was hilarious, we call themGwad Guadarama.
They had those shirts like Isupport Guadarama.

(03:11:29):
And this lady stood up and shewas like 74, 84, somewhere in
there and she's like I'm 74years old.
If I'm on social media, heneeds to be on social media.
And that really stuck with me.
I don't know why thatparticular statement stuck with
me and that is where the ideastarted to come from.

(03:11:50):
Is that social media is aunderutilized tool both in in
law enforcement, needed to useit now.
At the time, my mindset waslike we need to use it to catch
bad guys, but I wasn't sure how,but it was like 2000 2015, 16,
somewhere in there, and um,maybe even a little earlier,

(03:12:15):
maybe 2013, 2014.
So, um, because I graduated in17.
So, anyway, as I'm going from amaster's degree and you have to
come up with a thesis idea, andI was like, all right, that's
what I'll use.
Social media is anunderutilized tool, um, that
police need to be using.
So went through all my thingsand proved my point I think,

(03:12:35):
defended and all that stuff.
So I was like all right, cool.
And then I want to go for mydoctorate.
Eventually, I'm waiting for mygirls to be out of school.
I got a 16-year-old and a13-year-old, so once they're
done with school and they'removed out, I'll go for my
doctorate.
And if I'm going to do that, Ineeded to start researching or

(03:12:56):
proving my point.
How do I do that?
Well, I came up with a podcastidea.
Listening to Rogan and he'salways trying to get his
comedian buddies to start theirown podcast I was like you know
what?
He's got a point.
They have a niche.
I have a niche.
There's no police doing whatI'm doing, at least not that I
can see.
The only person that I reallyever saw out there was like Mike

(03:13:16):
the cop, um donut operator andnobody was really educating.
That's what I wanted to do.
I wanted to share perspectiveand educate.

Speaker 7 (03:13:26):
Was?
Was Thornton a?
I don't think he was.

Speaker 1 (03:13:28):
He probably was.
I just didn't know.
I couldn't tell you.
Uh, I didn't know.
I didn't know, matt, untilrecent.
So, um, it's possible.
And then, uh, so I had a reallyclear mission.
I was like I want to do itdifferent.
I want to educate the best thatI can and I want it to be

(03:13:49):
balanced.
I don't want it to be an echochamber.
I don't hang out with cops.
None of my friends that I hangout with, maybe with a few
exceptions, are cops, and thereason we hang out is because we
don't talk about cop shit.

Speaker 7 (03:14:05):
Yeah, you know what I mean, I get it.

Speaker 1 (03:14:08):
This is what I do.
It's not who I am, and Outdoorsis supporting us with another
super chat.
Thank you, brother.
Man, you're killing it tonight.
I appreciate you, but this is ajob I do.
It's not who I am, and in thateven though this is a big part
of my life, but that's kind ofwhat I wanted to do with the

(03:14:28):
podcast is, how can I educate,share perspective at the same
time without sounding like I'mjust out there blowing cops?
And so that's when I came upwith kind of this two-part
concept.
I wanted to have these livechats and do what we're doing
now, but I also wanted to havesit-downs, because I don't just
have sit-downs with cops.

(03:14:49):
I've had guys that have beenwrongly convicted.
I've talked to prior felons.
I've talked to all thesedifferent sides.
It's just really hard to getpeople on that side of the house
that have been committed youknow committed felonies and
stuff like that to come on andtalk.
A lot of them just they don'ttrust me because I'm a cop.
So that's where I lean on thecommunity and a lot of the

(03:15:11):
people like Long Island audit.
I'd never would have had LongIsland audit on the show if it
wasn't for the community.
I listened to what they have tosay and I bring them on and I
make them a part of what we'redoing, rather than trying to
treat them as if they are someseparate entity that you need to
listen to what I say, becauseI'm a cop.
That's not how this works.
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 7 (03:15:34):
Sean Paul was the sole reason why I decided
auditing is a good thing if youdo it the right way.

Speaker 1 (03:15:42):
If you do it the right way yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:15:43):
Right, I like James Gray.

Speaker 1 (03:15:45):
He's another good one .
There's some really good people.
There's a guy that comes onhere that actually audited me
when I was on duty.
Really.
Yeah, yeah, and Johnny HighRoller, and he's on here
commenting all the time, youknow, helping us, actually

(03:16:05):
helping push our cause.
So it's really cool to see thatyou know, uh, you pass the test
, so to speak.
Um, and that is not the firsttime I've been audited.
I've been audited probablyseven times.
I'm in a big city, so ithappens a lot where we're at.
You know how it goes inBaltimore.

Speaker 7 (03:16:24):
That wasn't a thing when I was there.

Speaker 1 (03:16:26):
Not a big thing yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:16:29):
People did not have the balls.

Speaker 1 (03:16:33):
The balls.

Speaker 7 (03:16:35):
I don't want to use that.

Speaker 1 (03:16:37):
I know how Baltimore policing is, so I understand.

Speaker 7 (03:16:40):
And again pre body camera, nobody stuck a cell
phone in our face and told ushow it was going to be East
coast policing is different.

Speaker 1 (03:16:46):
East coast is a different style policing.
I just I tried to tell peopleI'm like it is a the culture is
a rude culture.
It's not the cops, I'm notsaying the cop I culture.
It's not the cops, I'm notsaying the cops, it's just the
culture in general.
Go to New York.
If you want an example.
Go to New Jersey.
Go tell somebody good morning.

Speaker 7 (03:17:04):
They're going to tell you go fuck yourself, even open
the door for somebody.

Speaker 1 (03:17:09):
I can open my own fucking door.
Get the fuck out of here.
Don't disrespect me.
No, I get it Growing up inMichigan.
They call uswest and thatalways bothered me because it's
not midwest no we're east of themississippi, so calling us a
midwest place it doesn't fit.
We're kind of a mix betweenmidwest and east coast.
Mentality really is so, um, Igot a little bit of everything

(03:17:36):
growing up there yeah, yeah,where you police is.

Speaker 7 (03:17:39):
It's not mayberry man , you know.

Speaker 1 (03:17:41):
Yeah, yeah, exactly um mag dump said I'm an auditor
and everyone hates me.
John lawrence iris.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Oh shit, all right, let's getto another video.
I'm in the mood, guys.
Let's fucking roll.
We are killing it tonight.
The uh eh, taylor's feelingwonderful.

Speaker 7 (03:18:03):
Um, let's share the screen here, can anyone check if
banning's still alive, at least, or?

Speaker 1 (03:18:09):
I did.
I'm gonna say already haven'tgot a text, but uh, he's in our
group.

Speaker 6 (03:18:15):
That one between me and you.
I sent him that okay.
And he said he wishes that wastrue, that they were out having
a good time.

Speaker 1 (03:18:23):
All right, I'm going to biggie size this screen for
everybody.
There we go 11 minutes.
I can tell you, unless this isa high action packed video,
we're not watching all 11minutes of this.

Speaker 7 (03:18:35):
Bro, do you pick these videos or you just do it
randomly?

Speaker 1 (03:18:39):
No, I go to police activity.
I hit latest and then I clickeach video, Just bop bop, bop,
bop, bop.

Speaker 7 (03:18:47):
So this is a fresh view.
Yeah, all of them are.

Speaker 6 (03:18:50):
Yeah, we purposely don't read anything about them.

Speaker 1 (03:18:54):
Like I know right now I'm using my peripheral.
I know right here gives adescription.
I'm not reading that.
I don't know what the fuck thissays.
I've gotten so good at doingthis.
I don't read anything, I don'ttalk about it, I don't look at
it.
I don't do any of that becauseI want I want a genuine reaction
and you can tell if I wasfaking it you'd be like that

(03:19:15):
motherfucker saw this, like youcan tell.
But no, I don't, I don't readit.
So let's go.
My bourbon collection nevergets collect.
What in the fuck?
Okay, so somebody just threw aliquid of some sort.
My bourbon collection doesn'tget large because I drink my

(03:19:37):
bourbon.
Okay, so they threw somethingon that house.
What the fuck does that?
Acid Paint?

Speaker 7 (03:19:51):
I don't want to say what that looks like.

Speaker 1 (03:19:55):
It's a lot, whatever it is.
What's the location of youremergency?

Speaker 10 (03:20:01):
Good morning.
Good morning, let me put thiscall in Good morning um.
My address is they're very calm, my husband is mentally ill and
he's damaged my neighbor'sproperty instead of the fire.

Speaker 14 (03:20:16):
I need someone to come out and take him in, if you
would, Okay and it's I needsomeone to come out and take him
in, if you would, okay.
And it's Uh-huh Is the propertystill burning or no?

Speaker 10 (03:20:30):
No, it was just a small fire, but he entered their
property and vandalized it.
Okay, what is he diagnosed with?
He won't go to the doctor, buthe's schizophrenic.

Speaker 14 (03:20:44):
Okay.
Is he black or Hispanic?
He's black.
What is he wearing?
He?

Speaker 10 (03:20:55):
has on some brown shorts and a t-shirt.
I can't remember the color.
Where is he currently?
He's in my house, okay, okay,okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,
okay.
Um, he has on some brown shortsand a t-shirt.
I can't remember the color.
Where is he currently?
He's in my house.
I'm over to the neighbor.
He's a All right.
How old is he?
He's 30.
Is he currently beingaggressive or anything like that

(03:21:21):
?

Speaker 1 (03:21:22):
No, I want to give a shout out to this call taker.
She's doing excellent.
This is a good call taker.
I've heard some bad ones.
This one's doing very well Veryeven keel, asking the right
questions, doing great.

Speaker 14 (03:21:36):
Not currently Any drinking, drugs or weapons
involved no, not currently Anydrinking, drugs or weapons
involved.
No, okay.
What is your last name?
Telephone number.
Telephone number.

Speaker 1 (03:22:03):
Alrighty, I'm gonna go ahead and get someone out
there to you, okay alright,thank you, you're welcome okay,
given that I just saw somebodysaid in the centurion tactical
said schizo, send FD and socialworkers.
You can't, because you have anoffense.
He's inside somebody's housethat doesn't belong in there.

Speaker 6 (03:22:25):
And there's like danger you can't really.

Speaker 1 (03:22:30):
FD and the social workers won't go.
They will literally stage untilthe police department gets
there and tells them it's okayto go in.

Speaker 7 (03:22:40):
All right Again with this myth about de-escalation
and people having thecredentials to be able to talk
somebody out of something, asopposed to having the police go
there and deal with it.
It's a myth.
Not that they don't have theirplace in this A social worker
can be valuable but it there'sno weapons, the weapon is fire.

Speaker 6 (03:23:03):
You know, a social worker can be valuable, but it
yeah.
There's no weapons there, theweapon is fire.

Speaker 1 (03:23:06):
So yes, there are weapons on this call.
That's a good point.
Yep, Yep.
So all right, let me keep going.
Tim's looking majestic in hiscamera.

Speaker 6 (03:23:23):
Hey, y'all Did y'all call what's going on?

Speaker 1 (03:23:26):
Oh no you didn't.

Speaker 11 (03:23:29):
How you doing, how you doing.
Good, how are y'all?
I'm Officer.

Speaker 10 (03:23:31):
Roussel.
This is Joshua.
He's a mental health counselor.
He rides with us.
What's up?
Oh, that is not a common thing,good.
How are you all.

Speaker 8 (03:23:36):
I'm Officer Roussel.
This is Joshua.
He's a mental health counselor.
He rides with us.

Speaker 1 (03:23:43):
Oh, that is not a common thing.
So we have a mental healthexpert here with us and that's
Florida, and that is Florida.
Who asked that question earlier?
Was that Centurion?
Yeah, yeah, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 7 (03:23:58):
Well, yeah.
However, that cop is with thatmental health council right,
yeah, yeah, security, yeah yeah,and now you have.

Speaker 1 (03:24:08):
This is another factor.
Consider is now that officerhas to protect somebody?
Yeah, that's, that's a goodpoint so something to, just
something to consider.
You can't put that person in anendangered place.

Speaker 10 (03:24:21):
This is their house.
My son has damaged their house.
He's meant for the evil.

Speaker 5 (03:24:29):
He kind of burnt it and then he tried to put the
fire out with paint and he, Iguess he realized he was wrong.
That was the reason.

Speaker 10 (03:24:38):
He also put some paint on it On the house next
door and he had a little video,so he was wrong.
That was the reason you alsoproduced a painting On your own.
It's good story, yeah and uh.

Speaker 6 (03:24:42):
Do you have it on?
Video.
So he was shot what?
Eight years ago?

Speaker 1 (03:24:46):
Yeah he was shot In the face so.
What a weird that made me.
The way he posed that was hewas shot in the face, like, like
recently.

Speaker 5 (03:25:02):
Just like recent, just now, bro, like do I gotta
go save him?
And he's like eight years ago,like your timing sucks.
It's like schizo symptoms, butyou know he's 28, can't be
diagnosed the fuck.

Speaker 1 (03:25:12):
You can't be diagnosed at 28.
You can be diagnosed at any agebefore he was shot.
I would say so, but where washe shot?

Speaker 2 (03:25:21):
okay, so maybe has a traumatic brain injury but he
has, like these moments wages.

Speaker 5 (03:25:35):
You tell him he had moments where he feels like
somebody's plotting against him.
And then they told him that theperson was in the house, so
that's why he did what he did,and he always had these moments
where he just had, like he'sparanoid.
Sure Like this we calloutbursts Can be violent, cannot

(03:25:59):
defend.
Did the fire happen thismorning?
Yeah, it did and did wassomething going?

Speaker 13 (03:26:06):
on?
Does he know?
No, it started at one o'clockin the morning.
It started at one o'clock inthe morning, God damn.

Speaker 11 (03:26:11):
He did it at 1.15 this morning.
It's on camera.
I was in this, we was in this-.

Speaker 9 (03:26:14):
Y'all were in there sleeping when he did this.

Speaker 10 (03:26:18):
Yeah, okay, I tried to make an action before and he
2701, charlie.

Speaker 6 (03:26:30):
2701 Charlie Banning talking and Start me.

Speaker 8 (03:26:34):
Yeah, I know Probably one or two more units.
Reference of 27 that tried toset the neighbor's house on fire
, please no, no, no one, charlie.

Speaker 14 (03:26:46):
10, 4, 10, 23, yeah, oh wait, part a order.
Have you heard of that?

Speaker 8 (03:26:52):
before okay, some paperwork that you can fill out,
take to the court system andthey like almost always get
signed.
I haven't had one, the judgesigns it and comes back to us or
patrol and we serve it to himand take him to get him an
assessment.
Is that different than theBaker?
It's just a different processto a Baker.

Speaker 9 (03:27:13):
You're a piece of it.

Speaker 14 (03:27:14):
You're a piece of it .
So where's he at now?
Where's his?

Speaker 2 (03:27:19):
I.
Where's he at now?
Where's his?
I guess mindset at now Is hestill having an episode.

Speaker 5 (03:27:24):
He was at 751, but now that he saw the police pull
up, he's at 751.

Speaker 10 (03:27:30):
He realized he not to excuse him.
He told me once I was talkingto my son.
I said Brian did what he heardthat and he stopped and said I
had a fight with this girl,which is a hallucination and I
said did you hurt her?
Nobody got hurt.
And I said what'd you do?
He didn't tell me about thefight.

(03:27:51):
They told me about the fight,but for him to cross over here,
one property and set fire itcould be different.

Speaker 2 (03:27:59):
So, Are there any weapons in the house or does he
have?

Speaker 14 (03:28:04):
access to any weapons.
No guns or anything like that.
Okay, and now let me ask youwhat do you guys want to do?

Speaker 2 (03:28:30):
I just wanted to get some help, like my kids, like I
was telling.

Speaker 1 (03:28:34):
I love the fact that she knows that, that they've
been neighbors for 16 years.
That tells me there's a goodcommunity there.

Speaker 7 (03:28:42):
Yeah, it seems like they care about this dude deeply
, I mean yeah, you can hear theconcern in their voice.

Speaker 1 (03:28:49):
Yep, yep, I like I, I really I do.
I appreciate everything thatthey're saying in the facts that
they're putting out there,because they know like I.
I've got two neighbors acrossthe street that I met when I
first moved in.
Because I'm that type of guy, Igo knock on the door hey, I'm
new neighbor, dah dah dah.
So I did that, but they reallyhaven't had anything to do with

(03:29:10):
me.
Now my neighbors are directlynext to me, kathy and Jason.
I know both of those people,but it really makes me happy to
see that they have this level ofconcern.
They know this person, theyknow all about him.
Uh, so it it does make thingsbetter.

Speaker 10 (03:29:34):
They seem to trust it.
But this could have been deadyeah.
Those are my kids' rooms.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (03:29:39):
So I'm more hurt than mad because my kids are
innocent in the whole dead.
Yeah, yeah, those are my kids'rooms, absolutely.
So I'm more hurt than madBecause my kids are innocent in
the whole situation.
Yeah, you know, if it was avehicle I wouldn't care.
Tell them I'm a cause.
But you know, like my kids,right, girl, yeah, and now he
just threw paint on that house,correct?
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (03:30:10):
Do you know whose house?

Speaker 1 (03:30:10):
that that is okay.
Is she home right now?
She left and I see some blackmarks on your house.
Did he try to do that to yourhouse this?
Morning to the grill.
I said not the grill we suck atgrowing oh, I got it on there,
okay.
All right.

Speaker 8 (03:30:23):
Well, give me just a second, okay.

Speaker 13 (03:30:32):
You Come here, you go get dog bit oh Shit, and he

(03:30:52):
drove a long way.
Get on the ground, back up.

Speaker 9 (03:30:58):
Back up.

Speaker 13 (03:30:59):
Drop the knife.
Drop the knife.
K99, shots fired Buckman at25th, buckman at 25th.

Speaker 1 (03:31:11):
I don't know that I like thatth.
I don't know that I like that.

Speaker 6 (03:31:15):
No, don't know that I like that I'm hoping there's
more in that story, yeah therewas nobody around.

Speaker 1 (03:31:22):
He's running away and he's got a knife.
Like who is he threatened?
He didn't listen to you.
I get that, but where's thedanger yet?

Speaker 7 (03:31:35):
and think about all the information they received in
a very calm manner right youknow you roll up to a scene,
it's chaos.
You're not really tracking whatpeople are saying, like this
was relayed.
I mean it was.
It was perfect.
I yeah I'll take that intoconsideration.
When you are dealing with a guylike this, I don't like it

(03:31:55):
either.

Speaker 1 (03:31:56):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of this.
So far, let's keep going, justsee where it goes.
Drop the knife.
Drop the knife.
That's Agnell breathing.
I'm out with the suspect.
He's still on the ground.
Yeah, that breathing was Agnellbreathing.
I'm out with the suspect.
He's still on the ground.
That breathing was Agnell.
That's where I switched fromdeadly cover to moving in,

(03:32:18):
securing and trying to get thisguy help.

Speaker 13 (03:32:21):
Signal 18, go ahead and start rescue.
10-68.
Knife is still in his hand.
25th in Buckman I am 10-77.

Speaker 1 (03:32:30):
Officer's getting out pertinent information.
I I think he did well theredrop the knife.
Drop the knife I mean, I'm justlooking at the scene.
If he was running into acrowded park, something, maybe,

(03:32:57):
but there's nothing around.
What are we shooting for?
We gave all of three secondswith a crazy guy, a dude we know
is crazy and I will say this,my experience with crazy people

(03:33:18):
your energy has a lot to do withhow they react absolutely if
you go up and you're like youknow, you know frank, like okay,
come here, dude.
If you, how your energy comesacross makes a huge difference
with crazy people.
That's just my experience.
Have you had the same Ryan?

Speaker 7 (03:33:38):
100%.
Yeah, I mean, I'll be the firstone to tell you I'm not a
people person.
When I'm alone in my civilianlife, I like to be left alone.
I'm not a people person, but Ifeel like I've developed a skill
over the years to be able to,like we talked about earlier,
catch more flies with honey,right?

Speaker 1 (03:33:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:33:58):
I mean you really gotta, you gotta try to reach
people.
You know the uniform isintimidating enough.
Right, we have a stigma put onus as cops.
I mean that's why every scene Igo to, no matter what, unless
the guy's like covered in blood,I always shake somebody's hand

(03:34:20):
even human contact, even if theyaren't?
they look like a little bit ofan unsavory person.
I always shake their hand right, there's hand sanitizer for
that, um but I can't tell youhow many times that's saved my
ass and de-escalated a situation.
A handshake to another manwho's going through a bad day, I

(03:34:40):
mean, that could mean thedifference between life and
death, in my opinion.

Speaker 6 (03:34:45):
Yeah, it really, it really can yep yep, absolutely
the homeless dude that just peedon himself to keep others away
and you don't treat him like hejust peed on himself, like it
just changes the wholeinteraction.

Speaker 1 (03:35:00):
Yep, yep, I agree.

Speaker 7 (03:35:03):
I like to put a hand on somebody's shoulder and
reassure them hey man, I'm herefor you.
You know it has a.
A human contact has a calmingeffect.
How many times have you seencops when someone goes to shake
their hand.
No, I'm good man, I'm good.
Now you've just escalated thissituation.

(03:35:24):
You know you're making themfeel less than human.
Yep Right, I'm sure you guyshave seen that.
Don touch me.

Speaker 1 (03:35:32):
Back up, back up, don't touch me you know, it
doesn't I don't shake hands, Idon't shake oh my god, officers
tell me like I've I'm not gonnacall any of them my name, but
I've told them this um, we'vebeen on scene and you know
somebody, somebody come up andbe like I appreciate you guys'
service, and you know doing oneof those and you can tell

(03:35:54):
they're either they're doing itdisingenuously, like they're
doing it to come up and be adickhead, or whatever, or maybe
they're not all there andthey're doing it, or whatever.
It is Like I will shakeeverybody's hand.
I have hand sanitizer with me.
It's not a big deal, I'm goingto use hand sanitizer afterwards

(03:36:15):
or whatever.
But I've got officers that I'veseen literally say I don't
shake hands, or they'll do thisand like like you know and the
fist.

Speaker 7 (03:36:25):
The fist bump is just as bad when someone goes to
shake your hand and you go andyou do that.

Speaker 11 (03:36:30):
It's just as bad in my opinion and what do you think
?

Speaker 1 (03:36:32):
about the mental effect that has on somebody.
They go to shake your hand andyou go and you do that.
It's just as bad, in my opinion.
And what do you think?

Speaker 7 (03:36:34):
think about the mental effect that has on
somebody they go to shake yourhand, and you won't shake their
hand because what?
What does that tell them?
You don't think I'm a, I'm ahuman being.

Speaker 1 (03:36:43):
Yeah, right, yeah, and the grappler side of me is
like thank you, you're giving mean advantage.
Now I can feel right, here we goyeah, I'm like all right, cool,
I now shaking hands is a goodthing for me because I can feel
your intentions.
Like I tell people I've donegrappling, so long that I can
keep my eyes shut and knoweverything you're doing, like if

(03:37:04):
we're, if we're, wrapped up,you know, like I, I can tell
everything you're doing.
I can.
I can roll, roll, uh, with myeyes shut and and be fairly
successful, unless you justhappen to be at the same level
as me or higher.
But, uh, right, for for the 99in the streets that aren't like
I don't need, I don't even needeyesight to roll with you.
Um, as long as there's somesort of point of contact, like I

(03:37:27):
can tell everything you'redoing right, and that is why I
push grappling so much, like I'mnot saying you have to do
jiu-jitsu, guys wrestling,greco-roman wrestling, judo, all
these different things theywork.
I'm just partial to bjj.
That's what I I like, but umyeah but but point being, shake

(03:37:48):
the fucking hand.

Speaker 7 (03:37:48):
Yeah, think about uh, we, we go to people and
oftentimes it's the worst day oftheir life.
Right, you deal with a lot ofguys.
They're, they've beenemasculated, something's
happened to them right uh, theydon't feel like a man anymore.
Yeah, they're.
They're going through somethings, they're, they're out of
a job, everything that makes aman feel like a man.
They're.
They've lost that.

(03:38:09):
Shaking that hand.
It kind of brings that back fora second, in my opinion, you
know.

Speaker 1 (03:38:17):
Steve Wallace said and Steve, by the way, still to
this day, I don't think he'sever missed a live that we've
done One of our OGs.
But he said I've had notshaking hands explained to me as
a don't want it to be perceivedas a hand to hand transaction.
That's the stupidest fuckingexcuse I've ever heard.

(03:38:38):
Um, that hand to hand of whatam I?
A cop, dealing dope?
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (03:38:46):
I don't agree with that.
Baltimore, you might Right.

Speaker 1 (03:38:51):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 (03:38:55):
No, but all jokes aside, it's just just a.
It's a good thing to do and youknow, quit acting like you,
don't get into nastiersituations.
I mean, I'm sure you've beenspat on.
I've been spat in the face withblood.

Speaker 1 (03:39:04):
You know like it has not happened to me.
Um, I've had some people windup for spit and and I've told
people this before you have avery small window of opportunity
to effectively stop somebodyfrom spitting at you.
Most of the time I would say95% of the time you miss it

(03:39:28):
Again.
That's the videos we see.
Somebody gets spit on and thenthey react it's too late, it's
already happened.
You're not preventing it, butthere are opportunities to
prevent it and luckily for me, Ihad a prostitute that was Queen
Hawk Tua.
She let me know it was coming.
She's like one of these and Ijust fucking planted my hand

(03:39:53):
with my glove right over herface and I grabbed it and I put
her to the ground.
But I'm letting people knowlike there's an opportunity.
That's the time After you'vebeen spit on.
It's too late, it's alreadythere.
After that it's retaliation.

Speaker 7 (03:40:12):
These things can be prevented.
I'm racking my brain right now.
I can't think of a single time.
And when you roll up to a sceneeven people that call the
police they're very weary.
When you roll up, You're inuniform, You're in a police car.
You're kind of scary,especially the way we dress
nowadays.
You stick that hand out toshake somebody's hand.
You're already winning.

(03:40:33):
Yeah, you might not win in theend.

Speaker 3 (03:40:36):
I I don't know if you give me your first name yeah,
hey, I'm ryan yeah, and you youshake their hand.

Speaker 1 (03:40:42):
I'm telling you, bro, it works it works and I don't
want to touch him.

Speaker 7 (03:40:47):
I don't know where he's been bro, unless he's
covered in blood.
What do you?
You think you're gonna get a, adeath disease, by shaking a
man's hand like right.

Speaker 6 (03:40:55):
Get over yourself, you know yeah, and it also tells
you where the conversation isgonna go, because if they won't
shake your hand, it alreadytells you.
It gives you a perception ofhow you need to continue the
conversation.

Speaker 1 (03:41:10):
Yep, and I always shake with my left hand, I'm
right dominant, so I alwaysshake with my left hand and
people.
It throws people off.
It gets them out of whatevermindset that they're at yeah for
the most part.
So it it's psyops in a way yeah, yeah I I'm not, I don't want
to.

(03:41:31):
Here's the part I'm trying toavoid is it's not that I'm being
disingenuine.
I am genuinely giving you myhand to shake it because I I
really man to man, I want herman, whatever I want.
I do want the human connection,Yep, but I do have a hidden
agenda behind all of it and Iwant to out there.
I'm trying to get the tone ofwhat this is going to be yeah,

(03:41:52):
yeah like like alan was saying,if I put my hand out there to
shake it and you're like, no, Idon't fuck with you.
Like okay, now I know where Istand.
Like it helps me understand thesituation better.

Speaker 7 (03:42:02):
But yeah, I definitely so yeah, and I'll
make a point real quick.
I, when I say I do this, Idon't mean to uh, like,
especially for the people in thechat.
I don't.
I'm not trying to say I do thisto manipulate somebody, uh, and
, and try to, I do, I do it tocontrol a situation.
I think it works, but I also doit because it's a human being.

(03:42:22):
Right, it's a person, yeah, and, and my dad always told me, if
you're getting into this job forany other reason than to help
people, you need to do somethingelse, right, um, you know, yeah
, it is what it is, and you justtreat people like humans and
it'll always go better for youthan the guys I don't shake

(03:42:43):
hands.
I promise you it'll always gobetter yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (03:42:48):
Mag dump said holy crap, where has this guy been
hiding?
Ryan, you're so spot on.
Uh, I love it.
Um, we're gonna get his dad ontoo, so I can't wait for that
he's far more interesting than Iam, so yeah um, I think, I
think you've gained a lot offans yeah, if this dynamic goes
kind of the way that I'm hopingbetween you and your dad, there

(03:43:10):
may be a DTV spot for you ifyou're interested.
Absolutely that would be a veryinteresting dynamic father-son
duel on there.
My dad can go fuck himself, butyou and your dad, that'd be
cool.
Alright, let's keep going withthis video here.
I want to see how this playsout.

(03:43:31):
K99.
Right, with this video here.
I want to see how this playsout K99.

Speaker 13 (03:43:36):
Right here, right here, stop, stop, stop, summer
stop.
Hey come around, he's stillsignal zero, zero hold on that

(03:44:02):
knife still in his hand.
Drop that knife man drop theknife drop that knife.
All right, drop the knife brian, drop the knife man.
We're trying to help you.

Speaker 1 (03:44:12):
We're trying to get you medical buddy oh my god,
that pisses me off more thananything right there.

Speaker 6 (03:44:20):
He knows his name, paul, so I I do want you to read
the the I I went, I couldn'thandle it.

Speaker 3 (03:44:27):
I went and read it oh okay, I'll read it after yeah,
I want you to read it.

Speaker 6 (03:44:32):
Oh, okay, I'll read it after.
Yeah, I want you to read itbecause there's some things on
this officer's side that reallyfrustrate me.

Speaker 1 (03:44:38):
Okay, fair enough, fair enough, matter of fact, we
don't need to see any more.
We'll go right to that.
Okay so, jacksonville, florida,on August 13th 2025 at 1.50,
amrien gill gillis set fire.
We already know all this umit's the second paragraph gillis

(03:45:03):
was holding a large knife andturned to the officer yelling at
him to back off, which I thinkwe saw that gillis then turned
to run into a residential areawith a knife still in his hand.
We saw that officer.

Speaker 6 (03:45:16):
Actually sorry, it's the second sentence in the first
paragraph.
At the end, officers announcedthat the plea on the police
radio to be on the lookout forGillis and share all known
information about him knowninformation about him including

(03:45:36):
the arson at nine uh nine 14officer.
Different officer saw Gillisrunning along uh East 25th
street near Buckman street.
Officer armed himself with ataser and yelled at Gillis to
stop and then we saw whathappened.
Oh, okay, so the informationhe's received about Gillis is
you know, this arson suspect youknow, left the scene of the

(03:45:57):
crime.

Speaker 1 (03:45:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:45:59):
Is now on the streets .

Speaker 1 (03:46:00):
Yeah, I still don't think that justifies.

Speaker 6 (03:46:04):
No, I don't either, but it frustrates me because you
know you're not getting all theinformation and, as a
responding officer, you knowyou're only getting all the
information and, as a respondingofficer, you know you're only
getting what was put across theradio.

Speaker 1 (03:46:16):
Yeah, and don't get me wrong, I don't want people to
think that I don't thinkthere's a reason to shoot at
somebody armed with a knifethat's running in public, but I
need there to be an immediatedanger to something or somebody.
We didn't have that here.

Speaker 7 (03:46:35):
I need there to be an immediate danger to something
or somebody.
We didn't have that here.

Speaker 1 (03:46:38):
Yeah, kind of kind of parallels like fleeing felon,
right, yeah, yeah, now you justshot two people or one person.
You just shot somebody orstabbed somebody, and now you're
fleeing and you're avoiding me,like, okay, I get it, but we
don't have anybody hurt, we gota crazy guy.
You may or may not know thathe's a crazy guy, but um other
than that, again, I just is herunning with a mob tell cocktail

(03:47:03):
like that right you know he'san arson guy and he's running
with a flame in his hand.

Speaker 6 (03:47:09):
Okay, you know.
But I still, you know, would hehave been okay with the taser
in his hand?
I, I think he would have beenall good for that, but I think
yeah, yeah, I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (03:47:21):
So, all right, I got two videos left, so I'm gonna
let's get to this next one.
This one is uh, let me see this.
Okay, we'll go to this onefirst, because it's only a
minute 20.
All right, looks like we gotsome helicopter video.

Speaker 2 (03:47:44):
We've got it.
We're going to go southboundMagnolia from 19.

Speaker 1 (03:47:49):
That's some clear-ass video, yeah these are always
cool.

Speaker 7 (03:47:52):
It're in the wrong lane of traffic.
We're in the right lane oftraffic Pit attempt unsuccessful
.
We're southbound.

Speaker 1 (03:48:00):
No idea why we're chasing this guy, but we're
after him.
A little pit maneuver Pit out,pit out, he's pulling out of it.
Oh, gangster, he got out of itwith a van, not easy to do.
Okay, we're pitting again.

(03:48:21):
There we go.
Positive pressure 40.
I'm with you.
Did we just release the 40mmfoam rounds?
Did you guys hear that?
I did.
BMHC Outdoors delivering anotherdollar to us.

(03:48:43):
We appreciate you, brother.
Yeah, that is.
If there's nobody outside ofthe vehicle, what are we
shooting for?
Because it's not going to breakanything.

Speaker 9 (03:48:56):
Pepperball Watch out, Pepperball Get out of the car.

Speaker 1 (03:49:00):
Oh, they lit that thing up.
Smoking outside oh my God, thatis a lot of Pepperball right
there.
That's a nightmare.
I feel bad for this guy.
That's a lot.
Feel bad for this guy, that's alot.

Speaker 8 (03:49:14):
I'll stay lethal.
Get out of the car now.

Speaker 1 (03:49:19):
Open the door and exit the vehicle now he said let
me finish the cigarette, Iwould have told him okay, the
balls to ask.
That's just me.
I'm different.
I don't expect any officer tolisten to me.
I would have been like alrightbro, finish that cigarette real
quick, we got you.
That's just me, I'm different.
I don't expect any officer tolisten to me.
I would have been like allright, bro, finish that
cigarette real quick, we got you.
Like I would have been thatdude.

Speaker 6 (03:49:38):
But you know that's again the whole OODA loop thing
that's going to throw him offLike I would have laughed out of
it All right.

Speaker 1 (03:49:46):
Fair.
Finish your cigarette.

Speaker 7 (03:49:48):
I'm not a smoker, but could you think about finishing
a cigarette with that going on?
I mean, you've been peppersprayed.

Speaker 1 (03:49:58):
I know that thing's just filled with pepper balls.
You know he's not happy.

Speaker 7 (03:50:04):
You can't breathe air when you're pepper sprayed.
I don't know, I just it's wild,right.

Speaker 1 (03:50:11):
Crazy white boy.
You know what I'm not.
I've got no heartache with thatone.
I think that was handled justfine.
I don't know what they weregoing after him for, but good
for them.
I like that he has to finishthe cigarette.
Oh shit, that's funny all right.

Speaker 7 (03:50:29):
How many times have you locked somebody up and they
want to smoke a cigarette before?

Speaker 1 (03:50:32):
oh, that's why I carry cigarettes with me, I do
too, and a lighter yep.
Carry cigarettes, carry dogtreats.
Those are two things to carry.
They work all right.
Last video, um.

Speaker 6 (03:50:45):
Let's share the screen why didn't most, like
other officers don't evenprepare do that Like I think?

Speaker 1 (03:50:55):
it's just experience I think it comes down to.
I happen to have an FTO thattaught me that.

Speaker 6 (03:51:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:51:00):
And then there's FTOs out there that don't know, and
they didn't teach their peoplethat, and so they don't learn it
, if ever from anybody else.

Speaker 6 (03:51:08):
So I think that's gotten me out of more like.

Speaker 1 (03:51:14):
Or people tell me stuff that solves a crime
because I gave them a cigarettelike it just I've had
gangbangers that I know, like Iknew they were going to go away
for a while and I'll run themthrough water burger.
Hey man, this is the last mealyou're going to get for a while,
and we both know that.
So I'm let's run.
You know you stay cool.

(03:51:34):
Let me run you through waterburger real quick.
Tell me what you want and I'llget them some food and then same
thing yeah, lo and behold, fouryears later they're out.
You know, and you have to dealwith them again, and they
remember you or you see them andyou're out with your family
doing something.

Speaker 6 (03:51:51):
I don't have to worry about that person.
Like you know, I've had thatmultiple times where.

Speaker 1 (03:51:57):
Eric doesn't purpose to sit on the curb and give them
a dog treat.
I would not be employed, shit.
All right, let's go with thisvideo here.

Speaker 6 (03:52:11):
Well, they might identify as a dog, so they could
, if they do, always apossibility.
Have you run into any of thatyet?
No, I haven't.
I haven't.

Speaker 14 (03:52:25):
That's a kid thing Go ahead.
That's a kid thing.
Go ahead, you got a county line10-9.

Speaker 1 (03:52:39):
Seems like we have a medical issue going on.
That's what I would guess, withfire trucks coming in car just
parked in the drive-thru.
It's either a.
Dwi, or Are we?
At a pharmacy.
Yeah, we're at CVS I mean oneof the two.
So for me so bad like for meI'm.

(03:53:06):
I'm going to direct a car toget in the front and another car
to get in the back.
Create a positive pressurething.
So whenever this person becomesconscious behind the wheel
again, they don't slam on thegas which they like to do.

Speaker 7 (03:53:19):
Isn't it crazy how, how many cops don't do that?
I know right it, you see it,they just don't do it.
Or um, we have, uh, have youseen those single spike strips
they're?
They're about the size of alittle square.
You can just put them right infront of the wheel oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah, the piranhas, yep,yeah at least that's what we

(03:53:42):
call them as piranhas yeah, andthe intensity of situation.
Like people don't think aboutthat, like I, I love your point.
You got to think about this guywaking up and and driving off.
That could be devastating,right?

Speaker 1 (03:53:54):
Right.
Yeah, it comes with experience,like how many drunks have you
woke up behind the wheel?
And I can tell you 9 out of 10drunks slam the gas, not
intentionally.

Speaker 7 (03:54:05):
They wake up, they grab the wheel.

Speaker 1 (03:54:06):
Yeah, and they just go.
They don't see cops, they don'tsee any of that.
They're just like, oh shit, Igotta go.
That's all they see.
So, yeah, it comes withexperience.
Control 235.

Speaker 5 (03:54:19):
You can cancel my record for the thing I've
dropped Cool Control 235.
Control 235.
And that's the 46th where we gointo county one.

Speaker 6 (03:54:41):
Can you see if you can see a gun in there?

Speaker 7 (03:54:45):
Can you see if there's a gun?
Again, that flashlight in broaddaylight A lot of people don't
get it but.
Yep.

Speaker 8 (03:54:52):
Ron, check the low-fair 16, I mean it's an
Iridium broad daylight.

Speaker 1 (03:54:57):
A lot of people don't get it, but yep so a little
trick of the trade, cell phonescan see through tint.
So when you put it on cameramode that's what he's doing and
you can kind of see the fruitsof that labor.
He's trying to look at thedriver and see what he can see,

(03:55:17):
Completely legal.
This is not a violation ofanybody's rights.
This is not an illegal searchor anything like that.
Just so you guys know accordingto the law, because he's
outside of the vehicle.
But I'm assuming we have anoffense anyway.

Speaker 6 (03:55:32):
Pretty crazy.
The fire department is likeright there yeah, all right so I
can't ever get them to comethat close right, let's keep
going no, getting the wake upyep, they do.

Speaker 1 (03:55:55):
Got a car in the front.
No positive pressure, though.
I don't like that.
So with positive pressure,newer vehicles anyway.
When you push against them,rock the car back or rock the
car forward.
It makes it so it can't put indrive.

Speaker 8 (03:56:29):
Once I had the car in front and I couldn't get this
person awake.
Hey, hey, nope, put it in park,put it in park.

Speaker 1 (03:56:34):
Once I had the car in front and I couldn't get this
person awake.
I'm breaking the window.

Speaker 7 (03:56:38):
Yeah, and I've done it before.

Speaker 1 (03:56:42):
Yeah, I'm going to break one of the back windows.
Try to get in there.
I feel like we're waiting waytoo long and we're going to
create a situation that we don'tneed to create.
Also you've got to think aboutthe guy's safety Put the car on
park brother.
Yeah, medical emergency.

Speaker 13 (03:56:58):
Can you unlock the door for me please?
Yes, unlock the door.

Speaker 8 (03:57:04):
Put the car on park.
This is Charles.

Speaker 1 (03:57:07):
I can't tell what he's saying, are you?

Speaker 8 (03:57:09):
okay, is he on duty?
I've just been working all day.

Speaker 11 (03:57:11):
I've got something what he's saying.
Are you okay?
Is he on duty?
I've just been working all day.
I'm trying.
I've got something wrong withmy mouth.
I'm on my way to the hospital.
Is that for 253?
I?
Just got yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:57:21):
Everything he just said is all fucked up.
I'm on my way to the hospital.
Bro, you're in the fucking linefor Walgreens, hey guess what
EMS is right here, right here,but we need you to get out of
the vehicle and me personally,like this, is not a law
enforcement action I need totake yet.
Hey, bud, obviously somethingmedically is going on with you.

(03:57:42):
Let me get my guys to check youout, and that could be it we
could.
We could get your car takencare of.
I go parking in a parking spotfor you and we'll have some one
of your family come get it whileyou get checked out and get
everything okay, because rightnow we don't really necessarily
have an offense no, and one ofthe first things that popped
into my mind.

Speaker 7 (03:58:02):
I don't know if you guys have dealt with this.
Uh, have you?
Have you ever dealt with adiabetic?

Speaker 1 (03:58:06):
diabetic going through an emergency that they
talk crazy first First fight Iever been in was with a diabetic
and it's not their fault, right, and you know so before you
start.

Speaker 7 (03:58:19):
you know going ham on somebody.
It's important to keep thesethings in your head.

Speaker 6 (03:58:23):
You know I had a 18 year old student at the school
just start having seizures.
She didn't know she was havingseizures and so we had one in
the classroom, dealt with it, um, er, all the things.
And like two weeks later shecame back to the school and she
was driving and she drove into aparking, uh, parking light and

(03:58:47):
uh, you know.
Then they took her driver'slicense.
You know, our parents were like, oh, you know, the first time
they couldn't figure out whatwas going on, so they just
chalked it up to she was ill.
And then, second time, theywere like no, she's having
seizures.

Speaker 1 (03:59:02):
Yeah, yep, first fight I ever got in with was a
guy that was acting erratic at ahospital.
A veteran hospital went thereand he was grabbing a nurse.
But it's very hard to describe,even to this day, when I was
trying to tell people what wasgoing on is he's grabbing this

(03:59:23):
nurse and he wasn't sayinganything that made sense and
when I grabbed, he grabbed meback and I was like hey.
And when he grabbed me back Iwas like what?
The who grabs a cop?
It had never happened to mebefore.
It was the first fight I'd everbeen in as a cop.
And so he grabs me and I'm likeget on the ground.

(03:59:45):
And there was no real reaction.
But everything that I did tohim was like a Gumby if you guys
remember Gumby.
Yeah.
I could manipulate his arms howI wanted to.
There was like a little slightresistance to it, like Gumby was
, but other than that.
So I get him on the ground andI'm like I got him pinned face

(04:00:08):
down and I'm like, put yourhands behind your back and he's
not listening.
So I grab an arm and I justjust put it behind his back like
it was nothing.
I was like, oh shit.
So then I grab his other armand I put it behind his back and
I cuff him and that was reallyit.
There was nothing to it.
And I remember I could smell itsmelled like he was drunk.

(04:00:29):
What I was smelling was ketones,his, his sugar levels were off
the charts and, um, it was likea sweet smell it's the only way
I could smell it or describe it.
And uh, yeah, I found out hewas having a diabetic issue and
he didn't get any charges oranything like that.

Speaker 7 (04:00:46):
Um, there's, there's case law on that right, wasn't
there?
Uh, yes, back in the 80s, 70sor 80s, and the rest of the guy,
they.
But he was having a diabeticemergency and they they thought
he was drunk because they couldsmell.
Yeah, you know something thatsmelled like an alcoholic
beverage but it runs out.
He was leaving like a 7-elevenor something like that.
Yeah, forget it would, but it'syeah, some famous connor is

(04:01:09):
that?

Speaker 1 (04:01:09):
I think, yeah, I think it was.

Speaker 7 (04:01:10):
Yeah, let me.
Yeah, I think it was.

Speaker 1 (04:01:12):
Yeah, let me.

Speaker 7 (04:01:13):
I'll have to double check, but I'll check that right
now.
They teach it in every policeacademy, and I've been through
five of them, so and the factthat I can't remember the case
shows you how smart I am.

Speaker 1 (04:01:26):
but yeah, well, it's the thing I tell everybody.
It's not necessarily yourmemory, it's just knowing a
little bit about it.

Speaker 6 (04:01:37):
Big shout out to Marines Blood for all the behind
the scenes that he's done forDiscord and all that.
Good night, sir.
Thanks for joining us tonight,yeah yeah, that was it.

Speaker 1 (04:01:49):
Felt an insulin reaction coming on.
Yeah, that was Graham versusConnorelt an insulin reaction
coming on.
Yeah, that was Graham versusConner.
Yep, you're right.
So let's finish up this video,can you call me.

Speaker 8 (04:02:00):
I'm about to go.
I'm hot, I'm running.

Speaker 9 (04:02:02):
Wait, let's step out of the vehicle.

Speaker 13 (04:02:04):
Yeah, I need to get out of the car real quick.
I can't get out, Are you no?

Speaker 1 (04:02:13):
but I'll send it to you.
Obviously, some sort ofdistress going on.
This is not a normal thing.

Speaker 8 (04:02:18):
Go ahead step out, it's in park.

Speaker 1 (04:02:30):
Beautiful, he's getting out, get him out, shut
the door.

Speaker 8 (04:02:36):
Come on back here.

Speaker 1 (04:02:41):
At this point and this is just me I'm ripping him
towards me.
I may sound, it may seem, meanat the beginning, but it's to
prevent a larger use of forcethat may happen.
I've got him in a position thatI can take advantage of.
Where he's not in his rightmind, I may rip this guy.

(04:03:03):
I'm telling you right now, I'mgoing to rip this guy down and
put him on the ground or oryou're ripping him towards you,
or turned around, or yeah, I'mpulling him directly towards me
to the back of that car so I canget that door shut.
And hopefully.
I got some people with me.
Yes, we can't take control ofthat.
I just want to get him awayfrom the vehicle because

(04:03:25):
inevitably, what's what I'veseen happen is they get back in
that car, some shenaniganshappens and then we end up using
a larger use of force.
So I may seem like a dickpulling this guy for no reason.
We're gonna say no reasonbecause he's not, he's just
slightly resisting verbal youare, you are a dick but I am a
dick, yes, so uh that, butthat's my point is I is to

(04:03:49):
prevent a larger problem fromhappening later.
Yeah, no doubt and and andthat's what I see with this is
obviously something medically ormaybe drug related or alcohol
related.
We don't know yet.

Speaker 6 (04:04:06):
Don't grab me bro, I'm an AG.
Too soon, man Too soon.

Speaker 7 (04:04:11):
Actually no, she did, she got she did, she got
suspended she got suspended job.

Speaker 1 (04:04:17):
She kept her job unreal, fired.
I don't care, fuck you, you'regone that.

Speaker 7 (04:04:25):
What was that rhode island?
Was it rhode island or I?

Speaker 1 (04:04:27):
don't know that or new hampshire it was it was a
democratic state so droppingsome blue over there but, yeah,
yeah, but all right, let's see.
Let's see where this goes so Iwas this is stalling fuck this.

Speaker 6 (04:04:48):
There's no reason to explain yourself.

Speaker 1 (04:04:50):
No, like, get this motherfucker away from that guy,
this guy right here with theflashlight.
Why is he not reaching in andpulling that?

Speaker 6 (04:04:57):
key out exactly I.
It's one of my first things Ido is get that car turned off.

Speaker 1 (04:05:03):
Yes, maybe I don't need to rip him out if this
douche nozzle did his job overhere, mr flashlight you know we
can get that door got opened.

Speaker 7 (04:05:14):
I'm, I'm getting that car turned off and right, right
before you paused it, look athis facial expression.

Speaker 1 (04:05:20):
I mean yeah, it's, he's not right.

Speaker 6 (04:05:23):
There's no something not right you know, and there's
some things missing off for us.
You know, when we get thosedoors open, we're immediately
sense the smell, right, it'sgoing to play into, you know, a
lot of his react.
You know, is it just a diabeticthing, or is it?
There's an intoxication of somesort happening?

(04:05:44):
And you can you generally cansmell those things yeah look at.

Speaker 7 (04:05:47):
Look at that left arm boys.
Look at that left arm boys.
Look at that left arm, yeah, inthe car.
What is that?

Speaker 1 (04:05:53):
doing Right?
I don't know.
I don't know what's over hereand that's what I'm saying.
Old boy over here should havealready been taking that fucking
key out as soon as he gotinside that car.

Speaker 8 (04:06:08):
My siren and my horn.
We were knocking on the windowand you weren't moving.

Speaker 9 (04:06:16):
So let's step back here here and we'll explain
everything.

Speaker 1 (04:06:23):
Yeah, I don't do this .

Speaker 7 (04:06:24):
You're scaring me bullshit is that left arm still
in the car?

Speaker 1 (04:06:28):
it's still in the car .
Yeah, yeah.
Now the hope is this is payingattention and can see it, but I
I'm like I said I would havealready ripped this guy towards
the back of the car.
I'm not dealing with this.
This is our like.
I'm already pissed off, notpissed off police at this guy,

(04:06:49):
I'm pissed off police atsituation.
This is going to lead tosomething bigger because we
didn't handle business up front.

Speaker 7 (04:06:56):
You guys have heard me say this over and over and
over well, and bmhc outdoorssays he's he's too busy looking
for something to jam him up on.
Sorry, I didn't mean tointerrupt you, alan.

Speaker 6 (04:07:07):
No and I think it goes along with the whole
jamming.
Now, like now, you do haveambulance workers there and fire
department workers there andother police officers there.
Now you have an extra amount ofpeople you have to provide
safety for.
You can't allow this guy to beable to control this vehicle and

(04:07:29):
use it as a weapon.

Speaker 1 (04:07:30):
Yep Agreed, so it's getting bad.

Speaker 9 (04:07:34):
We're gonna be scared , just come back here.
Okay, I just, I'm comfortableright here in my car.

Speaker 8 (04:07:39):
I want you to come back to the back of the car.

Speaker 9 (04:07:40):
I don't want to sir, get come back here.
I'm cool.
I'm okay, grant, come over here.
I'm okay, just come here I'mokay.

Speaker 8 (04:07:49):
No, you are not just come here.
I'm okay, come here.
No, no, no, get out of the car,get out of the fucking car, get
out of the car motherfucker,god damn it, that's the shit.

Speaker 7 (04:08:09):
They mucked this up.

Speaker 1 (04:08:10):
That is an unnecessary use of fucking force
.
You just went to deadly forcebecause you were too fucking
pussified to do your goddamn job.
Now this person's shot.
That's the shit I'm talkingabout.

Speaker 7 (04:08:23):
Fuck that.
But Eric, is he pussified or ishe?
I don't want my life ruined.
I don't want to you.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I, I get it.
Yeah, if you rip.
I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (04:08:37):
I'm going to race it up, it ripped a guy.
Yeah, I get it.
I'm just saying I'm a.

Speaker 7 (04:08:41):
I'm a white cop, he's a black guy.
I got to.

Speaker 1 (04:08:58):
I got to watch my P's and Q.
That shit makes me so mad fuckthat now we're shooting.
And I don't blame him forshooting.
I get why he did it.
He they put themselves betweena wall and I said that right
when I seen it.

Speaker 7 (04:09:03):
I don't like that position how many seconds do you
think went by?
No from when he got him out ofthe car and so three got back in
three to five, not not long,very.

Speaker 1 (04:09:14):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 7 (04:09:14):
I'm talking about from the, from the time he got
out of the car, oh yeah, untilhe jumped back in.
I mean, they had ample time tocome up with other solutions,
right?

Speaker 1 (04:09:25):
right he could have pulled the key very quickly,
that he was already in the car.
Why didn't he pull the keyimmediately?

Speaker 6 (04:09:33):
or another officer on the other side of that door and
shove him.

Speaker 1 (04:09:36):
Like you know I, there's a lot of motherfucker
that, like I, obviously Ihaven't seen this video, so,
like that, I didn't see thatcoming.
I, I didn't see that guy.
Like I, I warned.
I said that could be apossibility that we end up
getting to a higher use of force.
I did not think we were goingto go to fucking deadly force

(04:09:59):
based on that.
Holy shit.
It could have all beenprevented if we didn't do that.

Speaker 7 (04:10:07):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say I saw it coming, but
police activity isn't going topost anything.
That's not some wild shit.

Speaker 1 (04:10:12):
You know it's no police activity post.

Speaker 7 (04:10:14):
Honestly they do post some really good stuff like
they do, they do positiveofficer reactions but a lot of
these shots fired?
Yeah, right, and they don'tpost anything mundane, right?

Speaker 6 (04:10:25):
I mean it's what it so this one was 11-14-2024.
So what's crazy about that tome is we're almost a year out
from that.
We're just now getting that,and I'm sure they're coming back
and claiming that the officeris justified because he was

(04:10:48):
saving his own life.
Yeah, Again.

Speaker 1 (04:10:51):
That's why I said I don't disagree with the shooting
right.
I think I understand why hefired.
He got two officers that werepinned against a fucking wall
during that moment what you'resaying is it could have been
prevented but it could have beenprevented.
It didn't have to get to thatpoint, just like with the video
I showed earlier the guy in thefield.
It didn't have to get to thatpoint and that's my point.

Speaker 6 (04:11:14):
And, like you, you've made comments.
Ryan, you said it earlier today.
You know how de-escalation hasgotten so out of control on you
know we talk about de-escalation, de-escalation, de-escalation,
instead of doing the job theright way the first time.

Speaker 1 (04:11:35):
Yeah, and that is exactly my point about how
you've got some departments thatare so heavy-handed and they
need de-escalation training.
It's apparent, you can see it,but then you've got departments
that get so de-escalation heavy.
You've got this when we can seethe writing on the wall no
fucking handle business.

(04:11:56):
Rip that motherfucker to theback of the car, scrape him up
and put him in cuffs For his ownsafety, for his own fucking
safety.
At the end of the day, he'sgoing to be scraped up, but he's
going to be alive.

Speaker 6 (04:12:11):
Because, me and you both know we get him out of that
car and get him behind theSuburban.
We're probably getting medicalright then.
Right then it's going to beokay.
Let's check his medicalcondition first Before we go
into any FSSTs, any of that kindof stuff.
We're not going to FSTs.
Yeah, exactly, we're fine.

(04:12:31):
Yeah, move on.

Speaker 1 (04:12:33):
Any charges?
Yeah, even if I have to ripthem to the back of the car,
slamming them in the ground,he's not getting charges.
Yep, he may resist a little bit, but me personally that's just
a part of business as a cop.
Like, I'm not putting youfighting back a little bit on me
Now.
If you stab me or shoot me,yeah, we're putting some charges
on you, but it's going to be afight.

(04:12:54):
That's the course of businessas a cop.
And this could have all beenprevented had we just ripped his
ass to the back right when wehad the opportunity, passenger
side approach with that officer,did his fucking job and pulled
the keys out of the goddamnignition.
Like I don't get it.

Speaker 6 (04:13:13):
Well, and like we were saying earlier, he's the
contact officer, he's the onethat initiated the conversation.
Yep, Like during thatconversation, immediately take
the keys, hit the start button.
Whatever you got to do to youknow, slow him down from being
able to do what he just did.

Speaker 1 (04:13:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (04:13:35):
Unfucking real, yeah, but I'll maintain though, uh,
and this is where me and ericbanging out a little bit, um, I
wasn't there yeah, wasn't thereyou guys weren't there.
I don't blame the officer forshooting I don't really really
try not to pass judgment um andbecause I I can't I can't say I
won't end up on these videos.
I mean, think about it right ifyou're actually doing police

(04:13:57):
work and you're not a desk ratyeah who's to say?

Speaker 1 (04:14:00):
you know, and so I admittedly I'm a desk rat.

Speaker 6 (04:14:03):
Now, the last three months, well, and I'll say way
handsome, is one of our like,one of the people that always
challenges us and he says why dothe cops beg and grab all like
that?

Speaker 1 (04:14:15):
They're trying to deescalate.
They're trying to do what thepublic has pushed them to do in
deescalation.

Speaker 6 (04:14:22):
And I think what we're trying to do here on these
videos is is not, we're notsecond handing all the
information.
We are second handing the videothat we're seeing.
We are judging off theinformation we have, which is
very limited.
And, yes, if they came back andsaid, well, we knew this and we

(04:14:42):
knew this and we knew this,we'll be the first ones to say,
hey, we, we, you know there'sinformation missing off of this
and we were.
We got it wrong.
Yeah, but from how we're goingabout showing these videos and
trying to get everybody's takeon, like giving our take on the
little bit that we know, okay,if I were the officer dealing

(04:15:03):
with this situation witheverything that I know, this is
how I perceive it and would dealwith it.

Speaker 1 (04:15:09):
Yep yep, I uh, yeah, in that again you're, you're
worked up.

Speaker 7 (04:15:16):
Man, I can tell I do the same thing.
I start playing with my beard.
I get worked up.

Speaker 1 (04:15:20):
Yeah I, I'm just like god damn it, we could have
prevented this.
And and that's where myfrustration comes in, because I
don't blame them, they're in themoment, they're trying to
handle it the best they can andand and that's fine, they're in
the moment, they're trying tohandle it the best they can, and
that's fine.
And I, just a little experiencecomes in from a fucking, you
know way far away 30,000-footview, and that's where we're

(04:15:45):
coming in.
So I'm not the guy on theground, I'm not the guys on the
ground.
So my 30,000-foot view is well,it's got a great advantage that
they don't have, and that's notfair to them.
But, when we're going throughthe call and I can tell you and
I'm like all right, I would havedone this, I would have done
that.
And this is why now you guysunderstand why, in perspective,

(04:16:07):
sharing is all we're trying todo here.

Speaker 7 (04:16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:16:09):
I'm not saying that these officers were criminally
liable or anything like that.
It's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying they tried somethingand they fucked it up and
here's how it could have beenbetter.
But it's based on experienceRyan's experience, it's fucking
Alan's experience.
We can see it coming and theydon't necessarily have that

(04:16:31):
experience.
It's not their fault.

Speaker 7 (04:16:33):
Brand already posed a really good question.

Speaker 1 (04:16:36):
Do y'all think the erosion of trust between police
and citizens play a part in alot of interaction?
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (04:16:43):
A thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (04:16:44):
And I think the media has a lot to do with that.
Part of that degradation ofthat trust has been because the
media has pushed us against eachother.
And that's what I'm trying tofight against.
Is you see a bunch of cops onhere where we're like I would do
this, I would do that, andwe're talking very human Like,

(04:17:05):
and none of us have ever fuckingworked together.
We don't even work on the sameside of the damn nation.
So that's a.
That's a positive.
You can see how we're talkingthrough a call, but that we've
never seen and none of us havetrained together to.

Speaker 7 (04:17:20):
To answer uh, brandar 86, I and I say this often um,
obviously you guys remember thewhole uh defund the police
movement.
Um, I always say I, I believethere's something far more
sinister going on behind thescenes.
Uh, with the defund the police,um, in my opinion, the police

(04:17:41):
were never very well funded tobegin with uh, you fucking right
I mean, I could take you backto baltimore I there were times
where my overheads didn't workyeah, how the fuck do you pull
people over?
but I mean, that's how poor wewere, so they're never really
fun.
To begin with, I, I just uh, II feel like there was something
far more sinister, and what Imean by that is, uh, with social

(04:18:03):
media, especially youtube,right, you get all these youtube
uh faux lawyers and what theywere doing during the defund,
the police movement wasessentially telling people, if
you have an interaction with acop and you don't agree with
that interaction and you thinkyou're right, you have every
right to defend yourself andstate your case.

(04:18:26):
Did.
Would you agree with that?
I?
I like people.
People were actually told thatand you can see it on these
videos.
No, I'm not giving you mylicense.
This isn't a lawful trafficstop.
They're telling the cop I'm notdoing it.
This isn't lawful.
This isn't you know, I knowyou've seen this, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:18:49):
It's funny you mention that, because I'm
putting a collaboration together.
I'm going to show about 10videos of that same type of
reaction.

Speaker 6 (04:18:57):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (04:18:58):
Yeah, because it's, it's.
It's what's your probable cause.
It's frustrating.
What's your RAS?
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (04:19:04):
What's your reasonable, articulable
suspicion?
I mean all these terms thatpeople really don't know
anything about.
They spout this off becausethey hear it on YouTube.
Right, and think about how manypeople have gotten hurt or
arrested or worse because ofthis.
It's an epidemic, guys, andthat's what was going on during
the defund.
The police movement, especiallyafter George Floyd and I'm not

(04:19:28):
going to get into the dynamic ofthat but people were like, hey,
if someone starts to handle you, a cop starts to handle you.
Like George Floyd, defendyourself.

Speaker 1 (04:19:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (04:19:41):
You're going to do what you got to do and that's
police brutality, it's not ait's.
It's not a good thing, like youknow and I'm not saying cops
don't make mistakes.

Speaker 1 (04:19:52):
But this whole you know, I know what I'm talking
about and you don't yeah, reallyproblematic ego it really, it
really is and I and I I preachthis about cops all the time and
I think that's why ourfollowing's gotten so big,
because I call it cop ego allthe time.
But, guys, you have an ego tooand sometimes your ego is way

(04:20:12):
the fuck off and you try to usethat ego on the street versus in
the courtroom.
I would rather you have an egoin court with your defense
versus an ego on the streetswith a cop and be wrong, because
that's what happens often.
You somehow let the fuckingsocial media trick you into

(04:20:36):
thinking you're right in yourwrong and I think that's what
you saw with the william mcneiljr.

Speaker 7 (04:20:40):
I think is that his name, william mcneil jr?
What?
One is that the kid who gotpopped in the face in florida.
They had to break open thewindow oh yeah, I think you did
a video, yeah they pulled himover because he didn't have his
headlights on and um, you know,I see this back and forth right,
uh, about, you know he didn'tdo anything wrong.
Well, he barricaded himself ina car and I saw a lot of people

(04:21:06):
talking, especially celebritylike jamie foxx came out and
said all all this over someheadlights?
Well it, it wasn't overheadlights, right, right, that
was what the initial stop it wasover the fact that he
barricaded himself in the car,right, and he wouldn't comply
with anything.
And so, if you think about that, what scenario do you know

(04:21:26):
where a cop's going to be like?
You know what he locked himselfin the car?
Boys, let's go.
Yeah, we're not, let's go?
yeah, it's not gonna it doesn'twork that way.
Right and it's it's.
It's unfortunate that it turnedout the way that it did.
I don't want to see anybody gethurt.
I don't like when these thingsescalate into violence, but like
it just doesn't work that way,you know?

Speaker 1 (04:21:46):
stop listening to youtube yeah uh, wade lucero
said I don't trust cops, even atgunpoint.
I don't listen to commands.
I let a sig show my hands andlet them come get me ballsy.
I will tell you that wade veryballsy um as long as I can see
your hand.

Speaker 7 (04:22:03):
I'd rather that than yeah, you fight.

Speaker 1 (04:22:06):
As long as I can see your hands, we're okay, it's
gonna work out.
I promise um end of the day.
So, uh, freeman key said you're100 positive, that you're right
, you can fight it.
You can't fight it on the roadand I agree it's never gonna
work in your favor.
Um, another collaboration ofvideos I'm putting uh together
right now is I have been puttingslowly together because it

(04:22:30):
doesn't happen often Umsovereign citizens trying their
arguments in court.
Oh my God, it's so fucking funnyCause they always get.
Ryan, you tell me if it's beenyour experience.
Alan, um, I've seen thesovereign citizens of court and
they get it One most of the time.

(04:22:50):
It doesn't just the judge,doesn't just rule against them,
it pisses them off.
Yeah, I mean, it makes themangry.
That's the last motherfuckeryou want to make mad.
I try not to make a judge madbecause they will fuck a cop up
real quick.
Uh, so when a judge tells yousomething to stop saying,

(04:23:11):
something to stop doing, todon't dress a certain way,
listen, I am giving you friendlyadvice Don't fuck with judges,
because the checks and balancesfor them doesn't exist.

Speaker 7 (04:23:23):
No, that's not like fucking with a cop.
You can fuck with me all youwant.

Speaker 1 (04:23:27):
Fuck with a judge.
You're going to lose every time, and that's not even a subject
we're getting into tonight,because I think the courts need
some checks and balances.
But anyway, uh, don't fuck withthe judge, and when you do the
sovereign citizenship in court,they will lose their absolute
mind.

(04:23:47):
I've actually got a couplejudges that lose their mind like
Joker would, laughing at you asthey fuck you.
So don't do it, guys.
Brandar86, thank you very much.
Dropped another five bucks, butthen cops can be found to be
wrong and the person is stillout.
All the money and time for anattorney.

(04:24:08):
How is that fair?
It isn't.
No, it's a system we have.
It's better than you're goingto find anywhere else.
But it's not perfect and it'snot fair, and I agree with you.
That's why I get frustratedwhen I hear cops say you can
beat the time but you're notgoing to beat the ride or
whatever, however that sayinggoes.

(04:24:29):
I don't like that either,because it's something that I
hadn't really thought about upuntil later years in policing
and I'm kind of ashamed of that.
But I fully admit that you'reright, it's not fair.
Bmhc Outdoors another dollarfrom him.
Thank you very much, sir,appreciate that.

(04:24:50):
Yeah, guys, all the donationstonight because we're about to
wrap it up here from him.
Thank you very much, sir,appreciate that.
Yeah, guys, all the donationstonight because we're about to
wrap it up here.
That's all the videos we gotfor tonight.
Thank you very much Again.
It doesn't go in my pocket, itdoesn't go in Alan's.
Alan probably needs a littlemoney, but it's going directly
back into the show.
It's going into that piece ofshit.
Rode videocaster that didn'twork and I'm sending back, still

(04:25:13):
pisses me off.
The guys actually were sendingme videos and jokes and I told
them I guess I'm not in the moodand you don't.

Speaker 6 (04:25:20):
You don't actually make comments like that very
often, like no, you're like, youusually go with the flow when
you're frustrated, and I waslast night.
It was like don't make anothercomment, guys.
That's how I took the commentlike I was done, bro.

Speaker 1 (04:25:35):
I bought this piece of equipment thinking like it
was going to like.
The idea was, like my camerathat's over here that they're
seeing me on, uh tim showing afive dollar bill, um, the the
money or the the cameras.
Like I wanted to be able to seta multicam thing up and the
idea is, if I ever had like mydad over during a live stream, I

(04:25:58):
could put my dad on and me onat the same time and like, like
that's what the equipment wassupposed to be, like I can have
people in here.
And it just was not working.
Like how you guys see me movingsmoothly right now.
It was like, like I I mean, Iwas so fucking mad I did I
bought cables, like internetcables and every like.

(04:26:19):
Just I tried every fuckingthing out there and it didn't
work and it just pissed me off.

Speaker 6 (04:26:24):
So it did not work like advertised I think tim is
over here trying to feed moneyinto the machine yeah, that's
what I'm saying.
Tim's throwing money up at thetrying to put it into the Coke
machine, you know right.
Spitting it back out.

Speaker 1 (04:26:40):
Aereo just dropped $5 .
The judges make money, thelawyers make money and the
prosecutors make money, but thedefendant doesn't Right and it's
fucked up.
Um brand are dropped another 10bucks.
In the super chat said thisgoes into when ryan said he
hated iso police on stops won'tlisten, uh, to hear on a stop,

(04:27:02):
just want to get it over andwon't listen if they could be
wrong and that that's not wrong.

Speaker 7 (04:27:09):
But yeah, and I see what he's saying.
And just for clarification, uh,brandar, I uh I've changed my
mind on these, though I uh, likeI said when I started watching
him, I was, I was hearing, but Iwasn't listening.
And, um, you know, and and tothe, to the last super chat.

(04:27:29):
I think that's what what twocops is trying to do, guys like
matt Matt Thornton, trying tobridge that gap.
You know, you're right, it'snot always right, it doesn't
always go the way it should.
But, to Eric's point, it's thebest system in the world at this
point and we're trying to dothe right thing right.
That's the whole point of this.

(04:27:50):
What we're talking right now,right, trying to do the right
thing right.
That's the whole point of this.
What we're talking right now,right, trying to do the right
thing, trying to bridge that gapand get people to have a
conversation.
This wasn't a thing when Ifirst started as a cop, right,
and I really do feel like that.
Us against them mentality isstarting to fade off.
It's not gone completely, butwe've made progress, if that

(04:28:11):
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (04:28:12):
Yeah, we're always getting better.
We need to continue to try toget better and there's a lot of
steps that we can take to geteven better.
And, like I said, you neverheard of any of this.
You heard about it with Matt.
Let's say he's the OG of Ridge,so he's the original guy.
And now what do you got?
You got me, you got Izzo guy.

(04:28:35):
And and now you know what doyou got?
You got me, you got izzo.
You got uh, anti-hero podcast,you got copville.
So you like it's becoming moreprominent.
So what does that tell me?
It's getting better yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (04:28:42):
And I just want to reiterate I don't hate izzo, I
don't want that guy on my badside you don't want that smoke.

Speaker 1 (04:28:49):
I don't blame you and I'm boys with him, so I got
your back.
He's like, he's like banning.

Speaker 7 (04:28:55):
He?
He's like a big teddy.

Speaker 1 (04:28:56):
I want to give him a hug yeah, all right so I do not
hate iso yeah oh well, ryan, yougot any closing statements that
you want to get out therebefore we get off tonight um,
just thank you guys for havingme.

Speaker 7 (04:29:11):
Um, it's uh, it's kind of, like I said, it's kind
of surreal to be talking to you,man, like we always have.
Uh, we, we, we comment back andforth, but you can't have a
conversation like that, Right?
Uh, those, those threads aremade to leave your comment and
keep it moving, and so some ofthe things I think that we talk
about kind of get misconstrued,and that's not my intention.

(04:29:32):
I'm so glad that we're able tojust actually have a
conversation.
I'd love to come back here withmy old man.
He's got a far more storiedcareer than I do.
Oh, yeah.
But it's a, it's a great thingto be a legacy in law
enforcement.
You know that and I justappreciate you guys.
I want everyone to be safe and,uh, you know, all my cops, you

(04:29:57):
know, keep ducking because itain't get.
It ain't getting any safer forus.
It's really not right.

Speaker 1 (04:30:04):
So uh, tim had a question for you.
He said we see you have thatthin blue line flag.
What does it mean to you?

Speaker 7 (04:30:12):
yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm willing to answer it, and I
don't know if you were here, uh, in the chat earlier, tim.
Um, that flag to me is not.
It's not an ideology.
Um, that is something, uh, thatI believe people created, um,
when it started with the defundthe police movement, um movement
, that blue line is not anideology.

(04:30:33):
I don't live by it.
I don't protect cops that aredoing the wrong thing.
What that line means to me iswhen you lose some friends on
this job.

(04:30:58):
When you lose some friends onthis job.
It's a difficult thing to takein.
That line means to me everybodythat we've lost trying to do
the right thing.
That's what that line means tome.
It's my buddies trying to keepthem safe.
That absolutely does not mean,um, protect bad cops.
We're not a gang, um, we arenot, uh some ideology.

(04:31:22):
That is some far right you knowuh entity that's trying to keep
people down, um, so it means,when I look at that, I see, uh,
all my buddies that have uh losttheir lives.
And eric will tell you, everytime I go on to linkedin,
linkedin, there's a new cop.
Every time I could go on rightnow, I guarantee you, there's a,

(04:31:45):
a post about a cop that justlost their life, right, it's
every fucking day.
It never stops, right, and sothat's what that means to me.
It's just it helps me remember,uh, who they were and what they
did and all the sacrifices thatthey've made.
It reminds me of their families, their wives, you know, their

(04:32:08):
husbands, their, their children,um, it's, it's a reminder, I
guess, to sum it up, it's areminder, I guess, to sum it up,
it's a reminder of thesacrifice that they made.
It's not an ideology, if thatmakes sense.
Sorry, I didn't mean to getemotional.
You know how it is, bro.
We just keep dying.

Speaker 1 (04:32:27):
It shows you care, you take it serious, you're not
wearing the badge to look coolor, you know, get pussy or any
of that shit no no, no, you'rehuman, you're human so it's a
reminder to answer tim'squestion.
Yeah, and you know it all kindof uh means a little bit
different than it's kind of.

(04:32:47):
One of the things I want toshow to people is not this
blanket.
This is what it means.
It it doesn't.
It means different things todifferent people.
You know, just like I'll askanybody in the in the that's
still on here tonight what's theAmerican flag mean to you, and
you're going to get a milliondifferent answers Everybody.
That flag means a milliondifferent things to a million

(04:33:08):
different people.
So same thing with the thinblue line stuff.
So just the thing.
But, ryan, I appreciate youbeing on tonight.
Brother, we're at four and ahalf hours.
I would be more than willing tohave you come back on obviously
Now that, especially thatyou've kind of got a taste and
you know what it's like, and youknow I'm not going to ambush

(04:33:32):
you or anything like that uh, soI really appreciate you being
on tonight.
Thank you very much, alan.
You got anything, buddy?

Speaker 7 (04:33:37):
yeah, I'm glad to meet.
I'm glad to meet alan too.

Speaker 6 (04:33:40):
Uh, yeah, good to meet you too, sir and uh love to
have you back and you knoweric's not always here, so you
know we can always reach out,yeah we always need regulars.
Yeah, we need regular people tojust come on, and that's the
coolest thing about what we havegoing is the interaction with
the people that aren't lawenforcement and bridging that

(04:34:01):
gap, and I'm just honored to bea part of it and included.
I feel like my mindset hasgrown since being with the group
because having um outsideperspective, outside of the
state of Texas perspective, itreally blows my mind at how,

(04:34:21):
like, when we go through these,all of us come from a different
training platforms and differentenvironments and we all, for
the most part, have the samemindset going through it.
And uh, and.
And then it's like, well, no, Isee your point, I really would
have done it that way.
And so, uh, I feel like I'vegrown.

(04:34:41):
Um and uh.
Another shout so my son is 23.
He's a deputy in this localCounty and he actually uh text
me this last week was like y'allhave a discord, I'm on, and so
my son's on the discord and helistened to the chat for the
first time tonight and so shoutout to him and uh, but uh, you

(04:35:03):
know, I think some of the thingswe're teaching here or talking
about is good education for newofficers and um, and the
understanding of that.
So I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (04:35:17):
And just the last MagDump and the last person that
commented.
I appreciate the love guys.
It means a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:35:26):
Yep, I, the Knight, said honestly, as long as people
are willing to listen andconsider different stances
people have, then that's someoneyou can converse with.
I agree, and that's really whatwe try to foster here.
You guys know, as long asyou're not promoting violence,
being racist or lying, that'sthe other.

(04:35:48):
That.
That's where Nevaeh, or Heavenspelled backwards that got
herself into trouble with us isshe was lying about what we were
trying to say.
She was, and I told her.
I said hey, that's not true.
This is why we said what wesaid.
This is da-da-da-da-da.
Can you please take that down?
I gave her the opportunity andshe still refused no, I'm not

(04:36:09):
going to do it.
And she didn't do it.
So I didn't ban her.
I just put her on a timeout fora few days.
That was it.
Put her on timeout and, uh, yousaw her jump in here and she
didn't even realize that shewasn't banned.
She just decided to go ham andwhatever.
I still haven't banned her.

(04:36:30):
I didn't tell her to stoptalking tonight.
I didn't do any of that.
I didn't know all the shit thatshe was putting on there.
I didn't stop that because why?
She didn't violate any of thethree things I just told you
guys about politics and religion.
That's the other thing, like andwe even have a a a Akbar guy in
here tonight and he startedkind of going along with what we

(04:36:50):
were doing.
So we don't we don't limitpeople's speech on here.
We really try not to.
I want you guys if you don't, Iwant the people that hate cops
the most to come on here morethan I want the people that love
cops.
So it's really the goal so wecan have those conversations.
Ryan, I would love to have youback anytime, especially since

(04:37:10):
my people loved you, so that tohave you back, uh, anytime,
especially since my people uhloved you, so that that always,
that always helps.
But, um, yeah, if you gotnothing else, alan, you got
anything else you want to putout there uh, just join the
discord um you might get somenaked banning pictures.
Yeah, wade's putting out there,so yeah, wade's putting that
shit out there, so I love it,but everybody else, thank you,

(04:37:32):
um, if you want to help supportthe show, that thank you If you
want to help support the show.
I'll do that Wade.
Yeah, if you want to helpsupport the show, just get
people to like follow,especially on our YouTube.
If you want to help outfinancially, that definitely
helps too.
Go to our Buy a Cup of Coffeeor to our YouTube channel, get a
membership and everybody else.
Have a good night, brian hangaround for a minute.

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