May 27, 2025 • 23 mins
On this explosive episode of Two Mikes, Dr. Ron Paul joins Dr. Michael Scheuer and Col. Mike to expose how the federal government has hijacked the Constitution, plunged America into endless wars, destroyed states’ rights, and driven the nation to the brink with debt and tyranny. From Lincoln to Biden, Paul lays out the decades-long betrayal of liberty, the sham of perpetual war, and the deep state's war on the Second Amendment. This is a warning every American needs to hear.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, welcome back to another episode of Doctor Mike and
Colonel Mike on the Two Mics Podcast. We wish everybody
a happy spring. We know you're all into the weather
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
And we got over five.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hundred shows huh five million views on rumble and we're
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Speaker 3 (00:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Bye for three two one, Hey, welcome back. You're own
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and don't forget to visit Ira ourgoal guy dot com.
Now I just want to say this, it's very rare
(01:38):
that you get people two people of the same minds
on the same show. Now you've got three of them.
And what we have today is a special guest, our
very special friend. And I know many of you are
waiting for him to come back on the Two Mics.
We want to welcome back doctor ron Pole to the
Two Mics, and doctor Mike and I and doctor pol
(01:58):
thank you and thank you for coming to board today
and giving us a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Of your time.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Great to be with you again.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Oh, thank you, sir Mike. Would you like to open
up with doctor Paul please?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, Doctor Paul. I think that my question is why
can't we keep the Republican Party together on things that
obviously need to be done.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Well, I guess it's because the philosophy that's supposed to
be there in a party to bring them together, I
don't know. I don't know what it is exactly. You know,
it bounds all over the place, and that is a problem.
And for some reason, I don't have a great attraction
to political parties because that's the nature of political parties.
(02:45):
There's always inviting and who's going to dictate? And I
like to go one step above it. What is the
philosophy behind the political parties and what are they doing?
Are they working in which direction toward more authority, aerianism
or more freedom? And so I simplify it, and most
of the time you know they're moving in the wrong direction.
(03:07):
And that'll be the case for between the Republicans and
the Democrats. And uh, if you go even within one party,
that's the same thing that happened. People get in there,
they don't nobody says, oh, well, we want we want
total dictatorship or we want total anarchy and no government
at all. There's always this interventionism, which is acceptable politically
(03:29):
and psychologically in that is in economics, it's you have managers,
you have people come in and you have different people
trying to decide what the monetary policy is. And they
keep thinking that everything is negotiable and and it's going
to be dictated by majority rules. So they love they
love pure democracy, and they be thinking is good. So
(03:51):
the issue isn't promoting the cause of liberty. The issue
becomes how do you get political power to influence them?
And most of it's done sincere because what's going on
now there are people in the administration that certainly aren't
doing the whole thing, the best thing as far as
cutting spending, and I thought that's what the campaign was
all about. So it's a it's an eternal battle. And
(04:15):
I think that, Uh, it's never been easy for me
to separate the two with uh, you know, Republicans or
Democrats or independents. I can separate it from my views
on what government should be like. And I sort of
lean toward the government that the founders suggested that we have.
And uh, it wasn't hasn't been perfect. But I'll tell
(04:37):
you what, if we had followed their intent, we'd have
all been a lot better off.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
In in uh, in Washington parlance, that would be called
a CR they call a CR. We call it a
constitutional republic, Doctor Pope.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
There you go, that's great it you know when you
say that, And you're exactly right, doctor Pauline. General Washington
was one of the most outspoken opponents of party and
virtually everything he wrote about why he was opposed to
them has come true. It is it is a disastrous
(05:17):
thing for the United States.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, it turns into a power struggle here all the time,
and it's mostly mostly they justify it because power allows
them to do good things. You know, if we were
only in power, we would take care of the world.
We would be the policeman of the world, and we
would teach them all a lesson. So they need political power,
(05:42):
but they forget all about what are you going to
do with this power. Well, sometimes we make a president say, well,
what I want to do is tell the Fed what
they can do on indust rates, because I know better
than the chairman of the Federal Reserve what the industrations.
They won't come around and say, maybe nobody knows exactly
what they should be. Maybe the market determines that, and
(06:04):
the market determines a whole lot of things. You know,
they get away, the politicians get away with it for
a long time because look, along there's been people were
in and warning about the deficit, and it's just recently,
I would say, the last year, we've had a lot
of so called bad news. Sometimes I turned the bad
news in the good news. Well, the good news is
(06:26):
that they're realizing that this thing can't go on, and
you better start preparing for it because it is not
going to continue to do that. And now you know,
credit ratings are going down and I think one number
that stands us so clearly is we have to borrow
money to pay interest on the borrowed money, and that
should be a pretty good indicator maybe we've exhausted our
(06:49):
credit and they see. I was influenced by and introduced
into the notion of speaking out politically back in nineteen
seventy one when a major event occurred, and that was
the closing of the gold wind and and of course
the seventies were very hectic, but that was a major event.
But I think we're in a position now that this
(07:11):
major event that's just beginning is going to be much
bigger than the breakdown of the brown Woods. I was
surprised that Breton Woods a sort of smoothed out after
ten years, but think of how many people suffered, you know,
during those ten years, and why interest rates were twenty
one percent. So but I think I really go back
(07:32):
to education. I think it's so important and I think
that more than one hundred years, our universities haven't been
teaching you know, true capitalism, true true free markets, and
this is where we are. It should be expected. So
counteracting what's going on in the universities right now, the
(07:52):
universities are. It's a mess is along with the people
who want to regulate, you know, the money that they
flow in the universities. If you don't do it our way,
we're not going to going to give you the money.
It's sort of a bribe. Take our money. We'll tell
you what to teach, and we'll tell you what to say.
If you don't, we'll take away your money.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Doctor Paul, Doctor Paul, think about all the people who
were given billions of dollars of endowments over the last
fifty years, and now it came back to bide them
in the Heini because you know, the pendulum swung the
other way. It's like, oh, wait a minute, wait, We've
been giving these billions of dollars to teach Marxism and
now you want to protest about Godza. What's your Oh no, no,
(08:32):
we got to take the money away. I got to
ask you a question real quick. What do you think
about the abra cadabra of the USAID money? All this money.
We had no idea, No, all these congressmen, all these senators,
no one had any idea about the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Come on, that's impossible.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Well they knew, but nobody would give them attention to it,
and even I was a little bit surprised that it
came to the surface, because that's that's one good thing
that we can say. But you know, if you're thinking that, oh,
they've exposed USA idea is a monster. But the odds
of cutting all that money out, they might change names
(09:13):
or shifting around those programs are the entrenchment of the
special interest government. The lobby is especially like in the
military industrial complex and all the other ones. They never
go away even if you expose it all. But I
really go back to the monetary issue, because they want
to get rid of waste, fraud, and abuse. Well, who
(09:34):
would endorse waste and who would have endorsed abuse? But
nobody even questions about challenging fraud counterfeiting money. Can you
imagine what would happen? What would have happened if we'd
have stuck to no counterfeiting of money and you have
to have counterfeit money and deceiving the people into supporting
all these wars and passing all this money out and
(09:56):
building our empire. Well, eventually the people kept And that's
what I think is going on right now. More and
more people catch on in a short term. The catching
on of the COVID thing, I was rather big enlightenment
and people figure, well the government was that didn't act
as very good doctors. But on economics they're starting to
(10:19):
catch on. But I still lament the fact that if
I was still in office, people would come and they'd
be inflation and they would say, well, Ron, are you're
going to do something about this? And you talk about
inflation all the time. I said, what do you think
we should do? They said, give us more money?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What about the tariffs? I mean, this is ridiculous with
this tariffs.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
What do you think about it?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Well, teriff is a tax, and I simplify it to
a civil liberty issue. If you live in a free
country and you earn a thousand dollars, one thousand dollars
should be yours. There should be no tax, no income tax,
and you shouldn't be told what to do. Now it's
your money and you should spend it the way you want.
(11:03):
The tear iff is trying to cover the tracks of
other problems that they have created, and they say, well, well,
the balance of payments aren't right right, But they're not saying, well,
maybe maybe there's a reason that the trade isn't working
out as you as you think they should. But I
think that I think it should be a personal issue.
And well, why should you detack the middle class with
(11:25):
the poor from buying tennis shoes for twenty five dollars
when it might be two hundred and fifty dollars someplace else. Oh,
we don't want, we don't want to have any competition
on that, so we'll exclude that. Well, yes, they're playing
economic games, but they're really the game they're playing is
telling you how you can spend your money. That there's
two things that I think endorse the whole idea of
(11:48):
ownership of oneself. And one is the income tax. They
they assume they own everything, co owns everything and then
tells you which part you can spend. And the other
one is the military draft, because that is that is
a visions an admission of total control of a person's life.
And of course I really got interested in politics at
(12:13):
all in the sixties, and I was drafted in the military,
and which I had predicted when I was high in college. Well,
I better plan because I'm sure I'll be drafted. And
the low and behold I was. But that's that's uh
something that that shouldn't happen, that they own our lives
and a free country shouldn't be that way. And uh,
(12:35):
I think that's even further in large when you come
to some of the some of the things on personal
liberties at birth and how you doctor, what the doctors
can do or can't do. So uh, but I think
the basic principle is that your life and if you
work and earn something, it's your stuff, and the government
shouldn't have any say in other than the fact that
(12:57):
you can't live cheach to you only kill them. Well,
governments do it. Why can't we do it? Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
No, that's you.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You know, you're so correct, doctor Paul. You know, Mike,
Mike and I always speak about this, you know, with liberty,
and people don't really understand, you know, the constitutional republic.
They don't understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights and
they just walk into this and now you have look
what's going on. You got these congressmen, right, Mike, they're
going into these ice centers. They want to they want
(13:26):
to help get these these criminals out of these detention
centers for deportation. This whole country's upside down.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Now, Oh, that's horrible. When I ran as a libertarian
in nineteen eighty eight, they repressed me a little bit
because I was probably not outspoken on the border issue.
And uh and uh they were challenged me on that.
I said, the thing that I haven't worked out yet
is is when does when does it happen where you're
(13:58):
overly h the poorest, When does it become an invasion?
And uh? And I think it did become an invasion
when you think of the potential that we're facing, which
is going to last for years of some of the
people that have come in here because we didn't declare
that it should have been dealt with with property rights.
(14:18):
I think our country should be dealt with the way
we want our house to deliver, treat it we want.
We don't let people walk in our house and demand
they can sleep there, but they can walk into our
country and demand that we pay for it and give
them more more privileges in medicine and all these other
things than the American citizens get. So it makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Mike, What do you say, doctor, Mike, what do you say?
What is the president's job? What is the president's job?
Isn't it just for liberty and security to the people.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
And defend the country. And uh, you know, it's a
simple it's a simple measure to know what the president
needs to do is to look at the Constitution. You
can't go fire wrong from that document. And I often forget,
but doctor Paul always does a tremendous service to the
(15:07):
country when he speaks of domestic policy as interventionism, because
that's exactly what it is. It is it is really
in spirit and in result in foreign policy or in
domestic policy. It always leads to disaster, and it certainly
signifies a lack of respect for the human being, for
(15:29):
the citizen in all those things that doctor Paul was
talking about, especially the text on income and the ability
to ability to invade the United States because we won't
take care of the border. It's an extraordinary situation to
be in. And I'm always a little bit odd to
(15:49):
hear doctor Paul because he's always on message and he's
always correct, and when one looks at our situation. For
all of my time listening to what doctor Paul has
said and reading his books and watching him, he's always
been right, and he's always been able to express it
(16:09):
in very simple language.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Well, we have two kinds of invasions. One is the
people coming in on the flights with majorcas what happened
during Joe Biden's term. However, doctor Paul, I think you'll
agree we are being occupied by foreign powers, whether in
NATO or in the Middle East especially, we are fighting
wars for people that we shouldn't be fighting any wars.
(16:35):
And I think they've overcome by just putting out so
much money into the Congress. I mean, the lobby and
effect of APAC and the ADL is just tremendous on
our country and it's a big burden.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah, and I think there is a simple solution and
take advice from the founders. Don't get involved in in
tangling alliances. What you think about it, there's a big
entangled alliance which the more you're involved in there, the
less sovereignty we have. And now, the one lie that
I can't stand is you have to have to always
(17:09):
vote for the money, you know, for the military, because
the military is for defense and making us saved. Well,
quite frankantly, I had to haven't accepted this idea that
my government in Washington their job is to make me safe.
Oh yeah, saved from somebody giving you a vaccine. No
the government gives you the vaccine that kills a lot
(17:30):
of people. So no, the principle of being saved. The
Founders took care of it with the Second Amendment. You're
you're responsible to take care of yourself and your friends
or locally, you know, there's nothing wrong with the community
getting together and saying, look, we ought to have I
lived in a small town been raised during the depression
(17:50):
of World War two, and we had one police car
and one policeman and he drove around, he rode around
on a motorcycle, and I don't remember very many problems,
So I know it's it's I think it should be local,
and that's what We've turned it over to internationalists that
are involved, and that's their goal, and you know it's
(18:12):
to me, it's a battle between the cultural Marxists who
are who are scheming for they want chaos, and they're
doing a good job there. You should say, well, maybe
we could use that. Well, yes we could if we
took it and replaced it with what we think they
should do. Because the people who like the cultural Marxism
(18:32):
are nihilists. They believe there is no truth, that you
can't seek truth. Now, a few of us still believe
that truth is available to us, and it's a guide,
and it's in natural law, and it's not perfect, but
it's a goal. It's a goal that we seek. If
an individual seeks the natural law and non violence, that's
one position. The other one if you say no, there
(18:53):
is no truth, we don't have to do any any
of that nonsense. We should just gang. You join up
another gang and get some power and get some gravy.
And that's what we have here today. And it works
good until they run out of wealth. And that's where
we're close to it. So there's be and we could say,
well then it's going to get worse. That could unless
(19:16):
we as people that believe in this, have more support
for the views, because I think it's the views that
make all the difference in the world and what the
role of government ought to be.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Mike will coming down the last couple of minutes with
doctor Paul.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Go ahead, you know, I think doctor Paul, you're exactly
right on the America hasn't been invaded since eighteen twelve,
you know, except by immigrants now since we stopped defending
the border. And the idea that we should defend ourselves
is of course the key to the Second Amendment, and
(19:52):
it's mostly to defend ourselves, yes, against bad guys and
robbers and stuff, but to defend ourselves against the government,
which which clearly the Constitution put in the Second Amendment
because they knew that the tendency of governments, or maybe
the predilection of governments to become too big, too forceful,
(20:13):
too interventionists. And you know, but you can't talk to
people like this very much because they look at you
like you're stupid, or if you're old fashioned, or if
Heaven forbid. The Constitution is still pertinent. And I don't
(20:33):
know where we go from here, but your voice is
so valuable to this discussion.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Well, you know past Yeah, I summarize it pretty well
in the law. He says, Well, you can't if you're
not allowed to do it. You can't go and steal
from your labor. Why is the government there? I keep saying,
why do we as a people allow it to happen?
But everybody has a different opinion because they've been brainwashed
with this idea that governments there to protect us, make
(21:00):
care of us, and that's the welfare state. Yes, it's
well motivated by a lot, but guess who pays the
people who really need some help from the marketplace, and
who and how and who benefits. Well, it's a special interest.
You don't see any anybody poor that runs these audience group.
(21:20):
If you're an insider in the military industrial complex, you're delighted.
You know, when you see the budget going on, Yeah,
they really cut back on food stands, but they raise
the money for the military, and that's the solution. We
get some people in there that are claiming they're going
to really cut back, but it doesn't happen. But once
(21:41):
you see the interest rates one of the highest things
just to you need to borrow money to pay off
the debt, you know it's coming to an end. And
the one thing is is we don't know when that's happening.
But more and more people sense that something big is coming.
And the biggest problem is dealing with the fact that
the system that we.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Hed we lost you, Mike, we lost his mic. We
lost some mic there at doctor Paul.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Do you hear me now?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, you're see yes.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Can somebody help him out on the mic?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I can hear him?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Okay, Hello, where about you don't hear me? Now? No?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I got you now?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Go ahead, sir.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Oh, okay, I can't remember exactly where we were about.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Are you saying about the debt? Yeah, we're coming to
the end of empire. I think the end of empire's coming.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a parent And instead of Daniel
and I that do the show, we always say, well,
let's finds past something positive. So sometimes it's hard. But
one thing is that if there's chaos in the streets,
I'd say, Daniel, don't worry. I just woke up ten
thousand people to realize what's really going on. If you
look at the disaster or COVID, how many people got
(22:50):
awakened on that? There was a good many people. So
the best news could be used to open the door
for us presenting our our case for the cause of liberty.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Well you should, I'm sure you are. But you should
be very proud of the job job your son did
in the Senate with Fauci and the rest of them.
But even after his efforts, no one has been arrested
indicted for trying to kill so many are absolutely killing
so many millions of people around the world.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Oh, surely tragic, And blame everybody else for the jebs
that were created by the so called only democracy in
the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Right, Okay, so doctor Paul, we want to thank you.
We don't want to take up much more of your time.
Next time we speak, let's talk about property taxes. When
you finished paying your house, you could still pay the
county in the state.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
That's a good idea, right.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Doctor Paul.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Thank you so much to say, well, God bless you.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Very good to be always a pleasure.
Hey, welcome back to another episode of Doctor Mike and
Colonel Mike on the Two Mics Podcast. We wish everybody
a happy spring. We know you're all into the weather
coming and we want to thank you for visiting our
show at Network Radio dot us, our website two Mics
dot Us and don't forget to visit our website, both
of them.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And we got over five.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hundred shows huh five million views on rumble and we're
still going. Hey, by the way, you go to love
this next one coming up. Make sure to tune in
every week. Every two weeks we get another show up
there for you. And if you like us, we're not
asking anybody coffee. Just visit the website. Say hellover to
the sponsors at two Mics dot ustw Mikes dot s.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Bye for three two one, Hey, welcome back. You're own
with two Mikes, Doctor Michael show you New York Times
bestselling author and Colonel Mike, and we want to remind
you to visit the sponsors on two Mikes, two Mikes
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and don't forget to visit Ira ourgoal guy dot com.
Now I just want to say this, it's very rare
(01:38):
that you get people two people of the same minds
on the same show. Now you've got three of them.
And what we have today is a special guest, our
very special friend. And I know many of you are
waiting for him to come back on the Two Mics.
We want to welcome back doctor ron Pole to the
Two Mics, and doctor Mike and I and doctor pol
(01:58):
thank you and thank you for coming to board today
and giving us a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Of your time.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Great to be with you again.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Oh, thank you, sir Mike. Would you like to open
up with doctor Paul please?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, Doctor Paul. I think that my question is why
can't we keep the Republican Party together on things that
obviously need to be done.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Well, I guess it's because the philosophy that's supposed to
be there in a party to bring them together, I
don't know. I don't know what it is exactly. You know,
it bounds all over the place, and that is a problem.
And for some reason, I don't have a great attraction
to political parties because that's the nature of political parties.
(02:45):
There's always inviting and who's going to dictate? And I
like to go one step above it. What is the
philosophy behind the political parties and what are they doing?
Are they working in which direction toward more authority, aerianism
or more freedom? And so I simplify it, and most
of the time you know they're moving in the wrong direction.
(03:07):
And that'll be the case for between the Republicans and
the Democrats. And uh, if you go even within one party,
that's the same thing that happened. People get in there,
they don't nobody says, oh, well, we want we want
total dictatorship or we want total anarchy and no government
at all. There's always this interventionism, which is acceptable politically
(03:29):
and psychologically in that is in economics, it's you have managers,
you have people come in and you have different people
trying to decide what the monetary policy is. And they
keep thinking that everything is negotiable and and it's going
to be dictated by majority rules. So they love they
love pure democracy, and they be thinking is good. So
(03:51):
the issue isn't promoting the cause of liberty. The issue
becomes how do you get political power to influence them?
And most of it's done sincere because what's going on
now there are people in the administration that certainly aren't
doing the whole thing, the best thing as far as
cutting spending, and I thought that's what the campaign was
all about. So it's a it's an eternal battle. And
(04:15):
I think that, Uh, it's never been easy for me
to separate the two with uh, you know, Republicans or
Democrats or independents. I can separate it from my views
on what government should be like. And I sort of
lean toward the government that the founders suggested that we have.
And uh, it wasn't hasn't been perfect. But I'll tell
(04:37):
you what, if we had followed their intent, we'd have
all been a lot better off.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
In in uh, in Washington parlance, that would be called
a CR they call a CR. We call it a
constitutional republic, Doctor Pope.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
There you go, that's great it you know when you
say that, And you're exactly right, doctor Pauline. General Washington
was one of the most outspoken opponents of party and
virtually everything he wrote about why he was opposed to
them has come true. It is it is a disastrous
(05:17):
thing for the United States.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, it turns into a power struggle here all the time,
and it's mostly mostly they justify it because power allows
them to do good things. You know, if we were
only in power, we would take care of the world.
We would be the policeman of the world, and we
would teach them all a lesson. So they need political power,
(05:42):
but they forget all about what are you going to
do with this power. Well, sometimes we make a president say, well,
what I want to do is tell the Fed what
they can do on indust rates, because I know better
than the chairman of the Federal Reserve what the industrations.
They won't come around and say, maybe nobody knows exactly
what they should be. Maybe the market determines that, and
(06:04):
the market determines a whole lot of things. You know,
they get away, the politicians get away with it for
a long time because look, along there's been people were
in and warning about the deficit, and it's just recently,
I would say, the last year, we've had a lot
of so called bad news. Sometimes I turned the bad
news in the good news. Well, the good news is
(06:26):
that they're realizing that this thing can't go on, and
you better start preparing for it because it is not
going to continue to do that. And now you know,
credit ratings are going down and I think one number
that stands us so clearly is we have to borrow
money to pay interest on the borrowed money, and that
should be a pretty good indicator maybe we've exhausted our
(06:49):
credit and they see. I was influenced by and introduced
into the notion of speaking out politically back in nineteen
seventy one when a major event occurred, and that was
the closing of the gold wind and and of course
the seventies were very hectic, but that was a major event.
But I think we're in a position now that this
(07:11):
major event that's just beginning is going to be much
bigger than the breakdown of the brown Woods. I was
surprised that Breton Woods a sort of smoothed out after
ten years, but think of how many people suffered, you know,
during those ten years, and why interest rates were twenty
one percent. So but I think I really go back
(07:32):
to education. I think it's so important and I think
that more than one hundred years, our universities haven't been
teaching you know, true capitalism, true true free markets, and
this is where we are. It should be expected. So
counteracting what's going on in the universities right now, the
(07:52):
universities are. It's a mess is along with the people
who want to regulate, you know, the money that they
flow in the universities. If you don't do it our way,
we're not going to going to give you the money.
It's sort of a bribe. Take our money. We'll tell
you what to teach, and we'll tell you what to say.
If you don't, we'll take away your money.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Doctor Paul, Doctor Paul, think about all the people who
were given billions of dollars of endowments over the last
fifty years, and now it came back to bide them
in the Heini because you know, the pendulum swung the
other way. It's like, oh, wait a minute, wait, We've
been giving these billions of dollars to teach Marxism and
now you want to protest about Godza. What's your Oh no, no,
(08:32):
we got to take the money away. I got to
ask you a question real quick. What do you think
about the abra cadabra of the USAID money? All this money.
We had no idea, No, all these congressmen, all these senators,
no one had any idea about the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Come on, that's impossible.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Well they knew, but nobody would give them attention to it,
and even I was a little bit surprised that it
came to the surface, because that's that's one good thing
that we can say. But you know, if you're thinking that, oh,
they've exposed USA idea is a monster. But the odds
of cutting all that money out, they might change names
(09:13):
or shifting around those programs are the entrenchment of the
special interest government. The lobby is especially like in the
military industrial complex and all the other ones. They never
go away even if you expose it all. But I
really go back to the monetary issue, because they want
to get rid of waste, fraud, and abuse. Well, who
(09:34):
would endorse waste and who would have endorsed abuse? But
nobody even questions about challenging fraud counterfeiting money. Can you
imagine what would happen? What would have happened if we'd
have stuck to no counterfeiting of money and you have
to have counterfeit money and deceiving the people into supporting
all these wars and passing all this money out and
(09:56):
building our empire. Well, eventually the people kept And that's
what I think is going on right now. More and
more people catch on in a short term. The catching
on of the COVID thing, I was rather big enlightenment
and people figure, well the government was that didn't act
as very good doctors. But on economics they're starting to
(10:19):
catch on. But I still lament the fact that if
I was still in office, people would come and they'd
be inflation and they would say, well, Ron, are you're
going to do something about this? And you talk about
inflation all the time. I said, what do you think
we should do? They said, give us more money?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What about the tariffs? I mean, this is ridiculous with
this tariffs.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
What do you think about it?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Well, teriff is a tax, and I simplify it to
a civil liberty issue. If you live in a free
country and you earn a thousand dollars, one thousand dollars
should be yours. There should be no tax, no income tax,
and you shouldn't be told what to do. Now it's
your money and you should spend it the way you want.
(11:03):
The tear iff is trying to cover the tracks of
other problems that they have created, and they say, well, well,
the balance of payments aren't right right, But they're not saying, well,
maybe maybe there's a reason that the trade isn't working
out as you as you think they should. But I
think that I think it should be a personal issue.
And well, why should you detack the middle class with
(11:25):
the poor from buying tennis shoes for twenty five dollars
when it might be two hundred and fifty dollars someplace else. Oh,
we don't want, we don't want to have any competition
on that, so we'll exclude that. Well, yes, they're playing
economic games, but they're really the game they're playing is
telling you how you can spend your money. That there's
two things that I think endorse the whole idea of
(11:48):
ownership of oneself. And one is the income tax. They
they assume they own everything, co owns everything and then
tells you which part you can spend. And the other
one is the military draft, because that is that is
a visions an admission of total control of a person's life.
And of course I really got interested in politics at
(12:13):
all in the sixties, and I was drafted in the military,
and which I had predicted when I was high in college. Well,
I better plan because I'm sure I'll be drafted. And
the low and behold I was. But that's that's uh
something that that shouldn't happen, that they own our lives
and a free country shouldn't be that way. And uh,
(12:35):
I think that's even further in large when you come
to some of the some of the things on personal
liberties at birth and how you doctor, what the doctors
can do or can't do. So uh, but I think
the basic principle is that your life and if you
work and earn something, it's your stuff, and the government
shouldn't have any say in other than the fact that
(12:57):
you can't live cheach to you only kill them. Well,
governments do it. Why can't we do it? Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
No, that's you.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You know, you're so correct, doctor Paul. You know, Mike,
Mike and I always speak about this, you know, with liberty,
and people don't really understand, you know, the constitutional republic.
They don't understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights and
they just walk into this and now you have look
what's going on. You got these congressmen, right, Mike, they're
going into these ice centers. They want to they want
(13:26):
to help get these these criminals out of these detention
centers for deportation. This whole country's upside down.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Now, Oh, that's horrible. When I ran as a libertarian
in nineteen eighty eight, they repressed me a little bit
because I was probably not outspoken on the border issue.
And uh and uh they were challenged me on that.
I said, the thing that I haven't worked out yet
is is when does when does it happen where you're
(13:58):
overly h the poorest, When does it become an invasion?
And uh? And I think it did become an invasion
when you think of the potential that we're facing, which
is going to last for years of some of the
people that have come in here because we didn't declare
that it should have been dealt with with property rights.
(14:18):
I think our country should be dealt with the way
we want our house to deliver, treat it we want.
We don't let people walk in our house and demand
they can sleep there, but they can walk into our
country and demand that we pay for it and give
them more more privileges in medicine and all these other
things than the American citizens get. So it makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Mike, What do you say, doctor, Mike, what do you say?
What is the president's job? What is the president's job?
Isn't it just for liberty and security to the people.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
And defend the country. And uh, you know, it's a
simple it's a simple measure to know what the president
needs to do is to look at the Constitution. You
can't go fire wrong from that document. And I often forget,
but doctor Paul always does a tremendous service to the
(15:07):
country when he speaks of domestic policy as interventionism, because
that's exactly what it is. It is it is really
in spirit and in result in foreign policy or in
domestic policy. It always leads to disaster, and it certainly
signifies a lack of respect for the human being, for
(15:29):
the citizen in all those things that doctor Paul was
talking about, especially the text on income and the ability
to ability to invade the United States because we won't
take care of the border. It's an extraordinary situation to
be in. And I'm always a little bit odd to
(15:49):
hear doctor Paul because he's always on message and he's
always correct, and when one looks at our situation. For
all of my time listening to what doctor Paul has
said and reading his books and watching him, he's always
been right, and he's always been able to express it
(16:09):
in very simple language.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Well, we have two kinds of invasions. One is the
people coming in on the flights with majorcas what happened
during Joe Biden's term. However, doctor Paul, I think you'll
agree we are being occupied by foreign powers, whether in
NATO or in the Middle East especially, we are fighting
wars for people that we shouldn't be fighting any wars.
(16:35):
And I think they've overcome by just putting out so
much money into the Congress. I mean, the lobby and
effect of APAC and the ADL is just tremendous on
our country and it's a big burden.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah, and I think there is a simple solution and
take advice from the founders. Don't get involved in in
tangling alliances. What you think about it, there's a big
entangled alliance which the more you're involved in there, the
less sovereignty we have. And now, the one lie that
I can't stand is you have to have to always
(17:09):
vote for the money, you know, for the military, because
the military is for defense and making us saved. Well,
quite frankantly, I had to haven't accepted this idea that
my government in Washington their job is to make me safe.
Oh yeah, saved from somebody giving you a vaccine. No
the government gives you the vaccine that kills a lot
(17:30):
of people. So no, the principle of being saved. The
Founders took care of it with the Second Amendment. You're
you're responsible to take care of yourself and your friends
or locally, you know, there's nothing wrong with the community
getting together and saying, look, we ought to have I
lived in a small town been raised during the depression
(17:50):
of World War two, and we had one police car
and one policeman and he drove around, he rode around
on a motorcycle, and I don't remember very many problems,
So I know it's it's I think it should be local,
and that's what We've turned it over to internationalists that
are involved, and that's their goal, and you know it's
(18:12):
to me, it's a battle between the cultural Marxists who
are who are scheming for they want chaos, and they're
doing a good job there. You should say, well, maybe
we could use that. Well, yes we could if we
took it and replaced it with what we think they
should do. Because the people who like the cultural Marxism
(18:32):
are nihilists. They believe there is no truth, that you
can't seek truth. Now, a few of us still believe
that truth is available to us, and it's a guide,
and it's in natural law, and it's not perfect, but
it's a goal. It's a goal that we seek. If
an individual seeks the natural law and non violence, that's
one position. The other one if you say no, there
(18:53):
is no truth, we don't have to do any any
of that nonsense. We should just gang. You join up
another gang and get some power and get some gravy.
And that's what we have here today. And it works
good until they run out of wealth. And that's where
we're close to it. So there's be and we could say,
well then it's going to get worse. That could unless
(19:16):
we as people that believe in this, have more support
for the views, because I think it's the views that
make all the difference in the world and what the
role of government ought to be.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Mike will coming down the last couple of minutes with
doctor Paul.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Go ahead, you know, I think doctor Paul, you're exactly
right on the America hasn't been invaded since eighteen twelve,
you know, except by immigrants now since we stopped defending
the border. And the idea that we should defend ourselves
is of course the key to the Second Amendment, and
(19:52):
it's mostly to defend ourselves, yes, against bad guys and
robbers and stuff, but to defend ourselves against the government,
which which clearly the Constitution put in the Second Amendment
because they knew that the tendency of governments, or maybe
the predilection of governments to become too big, too forceful,
(20:13):
too interventionists. And you know, but you can't talk to
people like this very much because they look at you
like you're stupid, or if you're old fashioned, or if
Heaven forbid. The Constitution is still pertinent. And I don't
(20:33):
know where we go from here, but your voice is
so valuable to this discussion.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Well, you know past Yeah, I summarize it pretty well
in the law. He says, Well, you can't if you're
not allowed to do it. You can't go and steal
from your labor. Why is the government there? I keep saying,
why do we as a people allow it to happen?
But everybody has a different opinion because they've been brainwashed
with this idea that governments there to protect us, make
(21:00):
care of us, and that's the welfare state. Yes, it's
well motivated by a lot, but guess who pays the
people who really need some help from the marketplace, and
who and how and who benefits. Well, it's a special interest.
You don't see any anybody poor that runs these audience group.
(21:20):
If you're an insider in the military industrial complex, you're delighted.
You know, when you see the budget going on, Yeah,
they really cut back on food stands, but they raise
the money for the military, and that's the solution. We
get some people in there that are claiming they're going
to really cut back, but it doesn't happen. But once
(21:41):
you see the interest rates one of the highest things
just to you need to borrow money to pay off
the debt, you know it's coming to an end. And
the one thing is is we don't know when that's happening.
But more and more people sense that something big is coming.
And the biggest problem is dealing with the fact that
the system that we.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Hed we lost you, Mike, we lost his mic. We
lost some mic there at doctor Paul.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Do you hear me now?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, you're see yes.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Can somebody help him out on the mic?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I can hear him?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Okay, Hello, where about you don't hear me? Now? No?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I got you now?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Go ahead, sir.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Oh, okay, I can't remember exactly where we were about.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Are you saying about the debt? Yeah, we're coming to
the end of empire. I think the end of empire's coming.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a parent And instead of Daniel
and I that do the show, we always say, well,
let's finds past something positive. So sometimes it's hard. But
one thing is that if there's chaos in the streets,
I'd say, Daniel, don't worry. I just woke up ten
thousand people to realize what's really going on. If you
look at the disaster or COVID, how many people got
(22:50):
awakened on that? There was a good many people. So
the best news could be used to open the door
for us presenting our our case for the cause of liberty.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Well you should, I'm sure you are. But you should
be very proud of the job job your son did
in the Senate with Fauci and the rest of them.
But even after his efforts, no one has been arrested
indicted for trying to kill so many are absolutely killing
so many millions of people around the world.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Oh, surely tragic, And blame everybody else for the jebs
that were created by the so called only democracy in
the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Right, Okay, so doctor Paul, we want to thank you.
We don't want to take up much more of your time.
Next time we speak, let's talk about property taxes. When
you finished paying your house, you could still pay the
county in the state.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
That's a good idea, right.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Doctor Paul.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Thank you so much to say, well, God bless you.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Very good to be always a pleasure.
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