May 13, 2025 • 47 mins
Today, the Two Mikes welcome back Sheriff Richard Mack—America’s most fearless Constitutional Sheriff. Sheriff Mack breaks down why law enforcement has become a political weapon, and how the real solution is found in the forgotten truths of the U.S. Constitution. Mack explains how training academies deliberately neglect the Constitution, pushing case law over God-given rights. He also exposes the lie of “defending democracy” and reminds us that we are a Republic—not a democracy spiraling into tyranny.
Sheriff Mack recounts his historic Supreme Court victory in Mack-Prinz v. United States—a 10th Amendment triumph authored by Justice Scalia—and how it reinforces the sheriff’s duty to protect the people, not enforce the elites’ agenda. From the traffic law money racket to the globalist push for authoritarian control under the guise of democracy, this episode is a masterclass in American liberty.
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Sheriff Mack recounts his historic Supreme Court victory in Mack-Prinz v. United States—a 10th Amendment triumph authored by Justice Scalia—and how it reinforces the sheriff’s duty to protect the people, not enforce the elites’ agenda. From the traffic law money racket to the globalist push for authoritarian control under the guise of democracy, this episode is a masterclass in American liberty.
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(02:26):
hello to Sheriff Mac.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
This morning.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
He's got an update. I want to call this the
Mac Report. First, if you've never heard of who he is.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't know where you've been. Okay, Hi, I'm not
going to rock.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But he's going to give us a little bit about
his bio. And then Sheriff Mac's going to give us
the MAC Report on what's going on with the case.
And we want to welcome him back to two Mikes.
Welcome back Sheriff Mac.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Well, thanks Mike and Mike. It's great to be with you. Yes,
or I could say colonel and Michael so we could
keep it straight better. But really, I'm really thrilled to
be with you again. Thank you so much for having me.
I never take it for granted that somebody wants to
talk to me, and the real reason is my bio,
(03:07):
because you know, I did everything in law enforcement. I
worked in law enforcement for twenty years, and I did
everything in law enforcement imaginable except I never shot anybody
and I never beat anybody up.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I was a patrol officer five or six years, and
I was always high in arrests. I came to a
point where I thought that traffic tickets were abusive and
contrary to the proper role of government, and that is
to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I
don't believe that traffic tickets have very much to do
(03:41):
with public safety, but they have a lot to do
with public revenue.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yes they do.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I agree, I do agree, And that's all it is
because you know what if with safety they'd have cameras
and lights on every street.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Well, yeah that or you know they would really be
honest and saying photo radar tickets bring in millions of
dollars and really don't provide any safety increase. So it's
all about the money and it always has been, and
I never I didn't want to be a revenue agent.
(04:17):
I wanted to be a public servant and I wanted
to help people, and I wanted to keep people safer,
not take their money from them every chance I get.
And I call traffic tickets taxation through citation, and you
could quote me on that.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The support.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, So I specialized in crimes against children. I was
a school resource officer and when I did that, I
handled all complaints from teachers about children who they suspected
were being abused at home. And so there was twelve
schools in that district and I handled the complaints. So
(04:57):
I was really busy, and I mean really busy. And
I patrolled the schools and I walked the halls of
the schools and I did everything I could to make
sure that the children were safe. And we had a
pretty good record that way. Then, after eleven and a
half years at provol Police in Utah, I moved home
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just crazy. My wife and I had an epiphany that
her parents were right, that we needed to move home
and run for sheriff. And I did. And I hadn't
lived there for twelve years. And I walked into town
and I said, make me your head law enforcement officer.
I've got great experience. I'm from here, I'm new blood,
and I'm old blood. And I got elected and that
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was nineteen eighty eight. I got re elected in nineteen
ninety two. And I had started when I was a
rookie cop and back in nineteen eighty three studying the
Constitution because I saw that we took an oath, but
I didn't see anybody keeping it, and we never trained
in it. Why do police and sheriffs, why did they
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swear notes of allegiance to the constitution? Nobody knows. I
didn't know, and I had sworn Neill twice by that time,
and I'm going, why did we do this? Well, it's
required by law, by the sixth Article of the Constitution,
that everyone in government, state, local, and federals shall swear
oath of allegiance to the Constitution. And so I said,
(06:24):
why do we do that? And we never studied. We
don't even know why. So anyway, I started studying the Constitution.
I became very proficient in the Constitution, especially the Bill
of Rights. And so when the Brady Bill was promulgated
by the federal government, I recognized it immediately as being unconstitutional.
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And the federal government, within the Brady Bill, especially Clinton,
who this was his baby, decided that they wouldn't have
federal officers enforcing this. They would commandeer the office of
Sheriff nationwide and force US sheriffs to enforce this for
them for free, without any contracts, without any negotiation, and
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threatened to arrest us if we failed to comply. All
of that is absolutely true. It's all documented within the
Brady Bill and my Supreme Court case because I became
the first sheriff in American history to launch a major
lawsuit against the federal government. Take it all the way
to the Supreme Court, and when we won, and six
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other sheriffs from across the country joined me, and so
seven of us stood up against this gun control, illegal,
unconstitutional legislation. And there's thirty one hundred sriffs in America
and seven did this. Sheriff prints from Montana and I
ended up being consolidated, and we went to the Supreme Court,
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and Justice Scalia wrote this decision. It came out June
twenty seven of nineteen ninety seven, and it is the
most powerful amph amendment decision in the history of our country.
And it states emphatically quote, we have held, however, that
state legislatures are not subject to federal direction, and we're
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not They're not our boss. And in fact, the sheriff
does not answer to the governor. He doesn't answer to
the attorney general, he doesn't answer to the legislature of
the state. He doesn't answer to the county commissioners. He
answers only to we the people. And therein is the
definition of a constitutional republic. The people choose who represents them,
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and they are the boss, and we the people are
the supervisor and boss over the sheriffs and all of
our other elected officials for that matter.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
So so sheriff mac for instance, Let's just take an example,
one county, one city, whatever inside of America. The sheriff
is supposed to do his job. Let's say whatever it
is doing this, that the other thing, and they're not
working for the people. What do we do with a
guy like that? We just re elect a good sheriff, right,
we find a good sheriff and we re elect one.
Get rid of this guy and say goodbye.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Well, yes, and some states have recall so you can
actually force him to get recalled and run again. Nice
and sometimes that works. The main thing you want to do, though,
is when your sheriff first first gets elected, you want
to make sure he gets educated. Because I was in
the same boat. I understand sheriffs and police officers all
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across the country that get inculcated watching television and movies.
You know, Clint Eastwood and John Wayne and all that.
And the big one back when I was first a
cop was Swat and Hill Street Blues, and so you
watch those and you think, oh, that's what a cop
supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Even the slogan in Hill Street Blues was Okay, let's
get out there and do it to them before they
do it to us. We're a horrible, horrible motto. We're
supposed to be out there, protecting and serving, not do
it to them before they do it to us. Seeing
and so the whole thing has been bast awkwards. And
(10:23):
so I understand, and I'm a little bit patient. We
all got to do that. But it's our responsibility of
citizens to make sure our sheriff knows and understands the
importance of his oath of office and his role in
preserving our constitutional republic. And if they don't understand that,
and they don't even understand that we're not a democracy,
(10:44):
and they don't understand what form of government we're actually
supposed to be, how are they going to defend and
preserve all of this? That's how are we going to uphold, defan,
protect and preserve. And so if they don't know, we've
got to make sure they know.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You're absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Most of the people you here today talking about our
democracy and we don't have that. We have a constitutional republic.
And the left, the progressives right now in Washington, Democrats
whatever states, they're like, we have to save our democracy. Well,
if you want to go by what they say, we
saved it November.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
We saved it. November. We had an election, you lost,
and that's the end of the case. Goodbye.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
But I'll still tell them we didn't save the democracy.
We saved our republic. Exact fact. In Article four, section
four of the US Constitution, it says the United States
Government shall guarantee to each state a republican form of government.
Doesn't say anything about a democracy anywhere in the Constitution
or the Declaration of Independence. Nothing. And then what do
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we say to children? Every day? Every morning? We pledge
allegiance and to the republic.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
That's right, which it stands, all right?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And I don't even know that they do it in
every class. I don't even know if they do it
in every class anymore, every school.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I mean, that's that's long gone.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I know. And you're right. And I used to teach
at a charter school here in Arizona, and every morning,
every morning, we did the pledge and I would talk
to the kids, because I was a history teacher. I
would talk to the kids, let's look at the pledge
of allegiance. What is a republic? None of the kids knew.
And I'm talking about junior high and high school students.
(12:24):
Nobody knew what her republic was, and so it's pretty simple.
It appears to be quite democratic in some of its means,
but the true true republic is that the people are
in charge. And that's why we have a constitutional republic.
Because our republic is surrounded by the parameters and limitations
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of our constitution, which it was written for our employees
and our servants to make sure our individual God given
rights are being protected by our government employees.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Well you see what happening with judicial courts and administrative judges,
you know, and they don't have any right. I mean,
they think they do and they want to do, but
as the president, he has to abide by the constitution
and they don't have any foothold there. I want to
let Michaels join on right now, doctor Michael you.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
There, Yes, go ahead, say sheriff. I wanted to ask you,
and I just don't know the answer to this. When
when young officers, whether sheriffs or deputies, deputies or city
policemen or other kinds of policemen, when they go to
the academy, their academy when they before they are sent
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into service, is there not a course on the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Very rarely.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
No, there's not amazing, and they've got to do that.
They've got to reins. They think because they do case
law that applies especially to law enforce that they think
they're going over the Constitution. They don't. As a matter
of fact, I attended the FBI National Academy as a sheriff.
I was invited by the FBI to their eleven week course.
(14:13):
I mean I was away from the office for eleven weeks.
Chronicle Virginia and Safford, Arizona are about twenty five hundred
miles away from each other, so I didn't get to
come home. And I wanted this training, and my dad
was a retired FBI agent, and so I wanted to
attend that. It's excellent training. But I took a constitutional
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law class, and I thought, Matt, I'm going to see
what the FBI officer offers about the Constitution. The professor,
who is a has a doctorate degree, and he was
a professor, and I think he also worked at the
University of Virginia, and he said, at the very beginning
to introduce his class, we're going to bypass the basics
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and get right into the more pertinent case law. Well,
first of all, courts do not make law. They established precedent,
and each case should be looked at individually because they're
all different. And instead of acting like they make law,
which is contrary to the Constitution. The first line in
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the United States Constitution is plain and simply that the
legislative body is the only place that can make law.
Judges don't make law, and executive branch, the president can't
make law. Only the legislature can make law. So when
you look at that and you say, oh, okay, well
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that's a huge change for all of us right there,
and these activist judges. I am so glad that Judge
Dugan was arrested. She broke the law. She was harboring
and helping and aiding and a betting a known criminal,
and she stuck her neck out on the line and
it looks like somebody's gonna chop it because she I
(16:03):
think she's going to serve some time, And well she should.
And finally someone is doing something about the corruption within
our court system and the corruption within the justice system.
And the judges are the ones who have appointed themselves
to be gods in their courtroom, and kings and queens
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and they can do anything they want and get away
with everything, and they have immunity. I mean, you can't
sue a judge who totally destroys you in a courtroom.
And so we've got to get rid of that, and
they've got to be hannibal for what they're doing. And
finally we're getting there and the other thing. Just so
I can make this really emphasized, the police academies in
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this country have got to start teaching the basics. And
we cannot understand the quote pertinent law case law if
we don't know the basics and the intent of the
founders when they promulgated the Constitution and more specifically the
Bill of Rights.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Sarah mac I have a question, how long ago did
you see this happening? Was this before Clinton where they
started using these activist judges, because I remember when Clinton
was elected, his first order of business was wipe out
all the ags in every state, just put all new
ags in at the time. So I'm just thinking, how
far back do we go with these activist judges? And
(17:30):
they're mad dogs now, they're just insane people. And I
think for you to be a judge in this country,
you should be born here, not first generation, you know,
because your family came from wambamb or whatever it is,
you know, with socialist Marxist ideology. I mean you look
at some of these people. They're rabid Marxist leftist progressives,
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and because they're a judge, they're like, screw you, screw
to constitution, screw to republic.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I mean, how far back do you think just started.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Well, to be quite honest, if you look back at
some of the huge mistakes the Supreme Court made, you
got to go back to about the early eighteen hundreds.
But luckily, you know, it wasn't as much a pandemic
in our country as it is now, and they've gotten worse.
The pressure on judges to follow suit with whoever appoints them.
(18:26):
You know, that's obviously federal judges. Whoever appoints them, they
go along with their political dogma. So like, for instance,
Lessi versus Ferguson was a huge decision that the Supreme
Court totally botched, and they came up with this segregation
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slogan that has said, oh, yeah, we can go ahead
and keep segregation, but as long as we give equal
stuff to everybody, it's okay to keep them segregated.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And that was the.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Equal but separate, but equal doctrine. So you're equal, but
you dark equals are over here and you light equals
are over here. And literally, the Supreme Court of the
United States perpetuated segregation for another fifty eight years after
that decision, and finally Brown versus Board of Education said, no,
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you're not equal if you can get separated by force
separation or forced segregation by the government. We want to
be in the same place. We want to see and
feel what everybody else is doing. We didn't want to
be separated and because of the color of our skin,
and this is how stupid it was for quite some time,
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and then Rosa Parks came out and doctor Martin Luther King,
and finally we realized that we were doing the wrong thing.
But doctor King was arrested over thirty times, and Rosa
Parks was arrested obviously for not giving or sea to
a white man. And that was actually during my lifetime.
I was three years old when that happened in Montgomery, Alabama,
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and that happened in December one, nineteen fifty five. I asked,
and I want to ask every peace officer and sheriff
in this country if you were called back into time
to Rosa Park's situation and you were supposed to handle
that call, would you have arrested her or would you
have taken her home safely, escorted her home safely, and
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then given her and her family extra patrol to make
sure nobody messed with their family and nobody harmed them
because she didn't give her seat to a white man.
You see, this is now where we're starting to finally
see that cops and sheriffs are standing for what's right.
Numerous cops have stood against sheriffs specifically, have stood against
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gun control, and they said, you might do that in
some other county, but it's not going to happen in
my county. That's the kind of constitutional sheriff you want.
And that sheriff have stood against the COVID nineteen mandates,
there hundreds of them all across the country, said you're
not going to do that here. This is still America,
and we're not going to sacrifice our country and our
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constitution and our God given rights. So you can feel
comfortable wearing a mask, or that everybody else should. Masks
were counterproductive. Shutting down schools was a disaster to our country.
And to our children and shutting down businesses absolutely absurd.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
That's going to be a long term effect.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
If you notice herriff, how many people now have mental illness,
and the way the children are learning after post COVID,
it's a whole new world.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
It's not like when we grew up going to school.
It's just Thereme.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Court case actually addresses that. It calls it the crisis
of the day, so that we don't concentrate power in
one location to find solutions to the crisis of the day.
And the crisis of the day is something the government
perpetuates and does on its own and then hands us
their solution on a silver platter. Never trust that. In fact,
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we were warned by Jefferson and Washington and never trust government.
Make sure you hold their feet to the fire. And
that's what the role of our sheriffs is nationwide. And
if the people will get involved with their sheriffs and
join his posse and have been form a posse and
work on a certain risking squad and make sure that
you're working with your sheriff to make sure he is
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following and obeying the US Constitution.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You know I'm going to bring this up. We just had.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You know, usually we do an evergreen show, but just recently,
what is the last couple of days, we had a
ruling on those police in Memphis who killed that man.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And you see they were acquitted, and you see that
it's black cops.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
On a black man who was killed. But yet when
you look back at Saint John at Floyd, I call
him Saint George Floyd because they they canonized and you know,
the the Soorrows in those groups, they got what they
wanted at a deal. But that guy Shauvin is still
in jail, and you know he's got all kinds of issues.
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The justice system is not justice for all. It just
doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
No, it's all political now. And and we're actually working
with a sheriff who got attacked by the Biden corrupt FBI,
Sheriff Scott Jenkins from Virginia. My dear friends, I need
all of you to call your congressman and senators, especially
the Republican ones, and tell them Sheriff Scott Jenkins from
Virginia needs a pardon. He was arrested and found guilty
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in a court of a federal tyranny. He is a
good man, one of the best constitutional sheriffs in the
country stood for the Second Amendment, stood for the Constitution,
stood against the Biden corruption, and he and other sheriffs
were actually having a phone conversation about starting their own
criminal investigations against Hunter Biden. Three weeks later, two of
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them were arrested, including the most vociferous about this, and
that is Sheriff Scott Jenkins. He's looking at ten years
in prison because he supposedly did a bribery. There was
no victim, there was no crime, and this was a farce.
Amandas dedicates his life thirty four years in law enforcement,
protecting people and upholding the Constitution. He gets ten years
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for a trumped up, supposed bribery that he never even
spent any of He just put it in a safe
and put it away, and he never did anything wrong.
He was set up by somebody within his office. And
this is a horrible miscarriage of justice. We're trying all
we can to get President Trump to pardon him. We
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need other people to contact the county.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Is he answer County Culpe? Oh, okay, got you, got you? Yes.
He was very popular. I remember him. I saw him
at sea.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
He was the one that came out and said, if
they try to come and take guns, I'll deputize everybody
in my count right.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I remember I didn't put the name with the face,
but I know who you're talking about. Yes, he was
one of the first guys out there. I remember he
was at sea pack. I mean, everybody wanted to interview
him on media row.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
He's like the more popular guy. Yep, that's him. Wow.
I didn't know that that happened to him. Gosh.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
But because of this, because of this, he wasn't able
to run for office. And so there's a new sheriff there.
I don't really know him, but I hope that the
sheriffs will get behind this. Good Sheriff Scott Jenkins. But people,
every one of you listening, just make one phone call
for him. Call your congressman or your senator, or do both,
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call both and say please get this to Trump to
pardon Sheriff Scott Jenkins.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Well we'll get out there. Thank you so much, Sheriff Mac.
That is very important. Yeah, he was a great guy,
big chubby guy.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I remember I saw that.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yeah, he's pretty big.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah he's and he's a good man.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I remember he was the first guy that says I'll
deputize everything. They tried that also. I think I think
there was a sheriff. They just bumped the sheriff out
of Berkeley County, West Virginia's name was gosh, what that was.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
It, Mike? Remember he was on our show.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, I don't remember the name though.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
They well, his same kind of situation. His daughter got
in the car accident, and you know, he went, as
the father basically sheriff, to go and see if his
daughter was all right, and there was cameras and everything,
but they made it sound like he was telling his deputy, hey,
fix this up.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
You know, his daughter was.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
A drug addict and in and out of rehab kind
of thing. But you know, they made sure his ass
was shifted out the door because he was a constitutional
sheriff who wanted to deputize anybody that wanted to be deputized,
you know, in the event of BLM and all that.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
You know, And and there's several states that are moving
now to appoint sheriffs instead of electing them because they
don't want independent sheriffs. They've seen that they can't tell
these sheriffs what to do, and rightfully so, because he
answers to the people, not you, And so King County,
Washington and Washington State is probably the worst state in
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the Union of going after sheriffs and attacking the office
of sheriff. So we're going to plan a big CSPOA
conference there in Washington State, and we're going to let
these people know the sheriff doesn't answer to you. But
the AG is actually suing Sheriff Wagner in Adams County
because he broke the law. He actually is helping the
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federal government with deportation, and that's against Washington State law supposedly.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Can I ask just a kind of a follow up question.
My first I have always been well at least in
the last thirty five years forty years, dazzled by that
the no president taking advantage or taking his responsibility under
the Constitution to assure republican government the people.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Or that's a good point.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Yeah, Washington and Oregon and California, increasingly Georgia, those places
are clearly not being run New York State not being
run as a Republican government. And to me, I think
I always thought when I read that clause in the
Constitution that it's very clear that the president can take
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whatever measures are necessary to rectify the situation, and not
one in I don't think one in history has ever
done it.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah, well, and it says an article corse action wort
says guarantee to them. And so I don't know if
he's supposed to force him to be a republic, but
they certainly should all be. And they all swear the
same oath, you know. So I find it alarming that
so many people in government swear an oath of allegiance
to the Constitution and summarily ignore it or don't even
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know the first thing about it. So they're ignorance or arrogance,
and maybe both. That we have a better idea than
the Constitution. I don't have to keep my oath, which
is a crime in and of itself, because you swear
an oath and you intentionally violate it, that's perjury.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Well, you look at these things and you wonder. The
Constitution is a beautiful document in the sense that it's
accessible to almost everyone. It's hard to misunderstand.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yeah, I've always said that I don't need anybody to interpret.
I don't need a judge to tell me what shall
not be infringe means. I know what that means and
Congress shall make no law. I know what that means pretty.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Clear, sure, but it's you know, in many ways, the
states are more powerful than they should be because.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah, they have they have a lot more leeway when
it comes to regulations. The federal government has hardly any
regulatory authority, only the Commerce Clause. And and they've really.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
They've stuffed a lot of things in the Commerce Clause
that should not be there.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Of course, yes, And and they have assumed and stolen
power that they do not constitutionally have. And that's what
I was really hoping that Trump would be a part
of it, just getting rid of that stuff, like getting
rid of the Department of Education. There's no there's no
authorization in the Constitution for the federal government to be
involved in education. And not only that, but this ridiculous
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thing that they've started of student loans. They don't even
right to use the taxpayer dollars for that. And they
certainly don't have any of the to funnel money to
the parenthood with taxpayer dollars. That is so criminal, absolutely
criminal that they do that.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
You're absolutely correct, And again, if you go to the Constitution,
you see that immediately, if you can read.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well. I'm going to do a plug right now while
we're on this show with Sheriff Mac. Sheriff Mac, we're
good friends with John Birch Society and the President and
the CEO and all.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
We know them all.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
John McManus was a friend of ours. In fact, it's
amazing I grew up within miles of John McManus, who
passed away. He was a former president and the President CEO.
We all grew up within a matter of miles of
each other in New York City. We never knew this
untill we started speaking to each other. However, it's one
of the best for free information on the Constitution, videos,
(31:47):
whatever you need, it's right there jbs dot org and
they're happy, happy to give it free.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
And I will send you the linquin.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
This show is over because Joe Wolverton is one of
the best explaining it, and he talked about what Trump
should be doing because these radical activist judges that are
appointed by Obama and Biden. I mean, it's just kick
them to the curb, especially these guys that.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Are not even born here.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I mean, you know they come in Just think about
where they come from, you know, I don't want to
say what Trump says. But they are ass whole countries.
I mean, they don't even have listen. They teach yoga,
but they don't have any telephone lines. They don't have
any toilets, you know what I mean, what are you
talking about here? Yeah, we could, we could do coding,
don't worry about it. But we can't do toilets, you know.
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I mean, come on, it's a whole different world out
there today.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
You're right, You're right about JBS, and you're also right
about Joe Wolverton. He's a friend of mine. Oh you know, okay,
one of the greatest legal minds in the country, and
he knows the Constitution backwards and forwards forwards. And I
think every every sheriff should be the same. I mean,
it's not hard to understand and and maybe there are
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some gray areas here and there, but there are very few,
you know, like making sure you get a warrant and
it's duly signed, and what are the exceptions to that?
There should be very few exceptions, but a crime committed
in your presence is one of the exceptions. Like every
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time I arrested somebody for duy, I didn't get it.
I didn't get a warrant. I saw the crime committed
in right in front of my eyes, and so I
stopped them. If I let them go to go get
a warrant and I come back in a half an hour,
you know, that's probably going to be too late. Maybe
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the traffic accident. I'm going to be investigating the traffic accident.
So yeah, even then, I still make arrests at traffic
accidents when I find that one of the drivers is drunk.
And so there are times when you don't need to
get a warrant, and and it's counterproductive to get a warrant,
but went, in doubt go get a warrant, and and
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so uh in hot pursuits, you don't have to stop
and go get a warrant, uh huh. So yeah, it.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Seems to me that a lot of the problems started
when they started telling people that and teaching it in schools,
that the Constitution is a what do they call it,
a living, living multiple.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
It's multiple. However, however your politics want to change it
and mold it. Yeah. Yeah, it's a piece of clay
to be changed and authored.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
It's like a dispensing. You put your wants in there
and it comes out twisted and you can do whatever
you want.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Well, you know, and that's that's the thing. The Founding
Fathers actually did not have the Bill of Rights and
too until two years after the Constitution was signed and
and initiate and put into place, and so uh A
few of the more uh yeah, a a few of
the more radical founders went to Madison, JELLN. Hancock and
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Samuel Adams and somebody else, maybe Patrick Henry even though
he never signed anything, and they said, hey, we forgot
we forgot something. And Madison got mad and said, what
do you talk about? We did this great thing. Bloods
went in tears and God inspired us and say, yeah,
all that's true, but where's the Declaration of Rights? And
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Madison goes, oh, wow, you're right. And he called everybody
back and they said they wanted to make sure if
you read the preamble to the Bill of Rights, we
wanted to make sure that there was some laws there
that they would never be able to misunderstand or misinterpret.
To increase the clarification of the Constitution, they promulgated the
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Bill of Rights. And when they started brainstorm brainstorming it,
guess what they came up with. One hundred and eighty nine.
Wouldn't we do the same today if we were to
do that. But they've dwindled them down because they took
out all of the duplicity and they dwindled them down
to twelve. And the States ratified pen And there's about
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twenty eight principles of freedom within those ten amendments. There's
five in number one. There's about nine in number six,
and that's all due process. Number six is about the
steps that every accused person receives must receive greue process,
and each step is in there.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
And so.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
We don't want judges or anyone to think that they
need to be interpreted. They need to be enforced. And
that's what these arrogant judges have made a huge mistake on.
It's not up to these gods and these self appointed
kings and queens in the courtroom to interpret them. For
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is for the peasants who don't know anything about this stuff.
It's not their job to interpret. Interpret is not mentioned
in the Constitution anywhere. They take the same oath that
we do. You are to enforce and obey the United
States Constitution, more specifically the Bill of Rights. You don't
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get to alter them, and to change them. It takes
a huge amount of a two thirds vote, in some
cases three fourths of a vote to get these things altered.
That's why they know they can't get rid of the
Second Amendment. So they just pragmatically try to get rid
of the Second Amendment. We don't have to follow it
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because we don't like it.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
So, Yeah, I am so glad that Pam Bondi is
getting after judges, and I hope Dugan's just the first one.
We need to go after hundreds of them and make
them told line and get rid of any immunity that
has been placed on judges.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Well, look at the due process on January sixth protesters.
There was no due process. They were treated, they were
treated like it was a gulag. And now you have
these retards in Washington Metro area protesting that this illegal
immigrant who was trafficking people you saw the video by
now that he should have a due process. I mean,
(38:28):
come on, this this country so upside down, and this
Washington Metro area is so upside down because people don't
know anything. But again, they're paid shills. People are putting
money out there to fit you know, they got assigned
they're not working, they're not employed, and it's like.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Hey, in the ACLU.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
The ACLU is one of the worst organizations in America.
Has nothing to do with civil liberties. It's a total
lefty deal. It's like planned parenthood for legal that's it.
You know, got to get rid of that too. Now
they even have late night Sure if they even have
late night commercials, to send nineteen dollars a month to
the ACLU so you get a shirt, you know, like
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one of those Saint Jude things.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
I've dealt with the ACLU before, I've dealt with the
Southern Property Law Center. I've dealt with the ADL. It's
funny the ADL. It's Anti Defamation league, and they have
defamed me so many times.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I've called them.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I've tried to get I said, you guys know the
Anti Defamation League, but you've lied about me numerous times.
I said, don't take you how to give me a
public apology and retraction. They never call back. Of course,
they don't care. They just want their money. And so
all of these organizations get huge amounts of money, especially
Southern Property Law Center, And once I caught them intentionally
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lying about me, and they had to write a retraction.
But that was about thirteen, fourteen years ago, and they
still call me one of the top forty domestic terrorists
in America. And I've never committed an act of violence ever. Ever,
even the twenty years I was in law enforcement, I
never beat anybody up. I never saw anybody, I never
(40:15):
abused anybody. I was never even accused of police brutality
or any improper behavior with the public ever. And yet
they still put me on that list.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
The sheriff, I'm gonna go I'm gonna just retract for
a second. Going back to a hot pursuit. I don't
know if you saw the Ladies video. It's just a cracker.
So this police officer, you know, obviously sees this woman's
doing something wrong. He stops her and she's got a
crack pipe in the car. Did you see this one
with the raccoon, Yes, hilarious.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
So the crack mike, did you see this one? No?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I did not, All right, So this raccoon, he stops
the lady. She's got the crack pipe, and she's got
a raccoon in the car, and the raccoon is trying
to get the crack pipe to take a hit. And
then he takes her out of the car and he's
trying to get the other pipe, and the raccoon's holding
back the crack pipe, like, okay, you got one.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Sure you know, mister officer, you got one. I got one.
You go about your business. I need the crack pipe.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Yeah, they usually are. I need to write a book
about all those types of incidents that happened to me,
But I think I think my last book will probably
be just the story of my life and and how
I got to the Supreme Court and how all the miracles,
the miracles that happened, the miracle of becoming sheriff in
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my hometown, the miracle of even marrying my wife, and
how a huge part that she played and her family
played in teaching me the Constitution. They her parents were
jbs ers.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Oh okay, and.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
So as soon as as soon as I walked in
the door with their daughter, uh, they started teaching me
the Constitution. Her brother, especially Mitchell, and her dad. Her
mom tried, but her mom wasn't a very good teacher,
but her dad and her brother were very good. And
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that's where I got my constitutional education, and then I
took some other classes. And I don't know if you
know doctor W. Kleon Skousen.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yes, I know.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
We have his nephew on all the time, Joel Skousen.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Oh, Joe, Okay, sure well. Doctor Skeusen did a class
in Utah when I was a cop there, and it
was at the University of Utah, and it was sponsored
by Utah Standards and Posts, Peace Officers Standards and Posts.
So that's the organization that oversees the qualifications for cops
and the training that cops need to have. So two
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hundred and forty cops attended the seminar by doctor Skeusen,
and it was called the Constitution for Law Enforcement. I
do the same class today, quite not quite as good,
or into his book called The Making of America. And
for two days, sixteen hours of training, we didn't talk
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about case law. We talked about the founding fathers and
the miracle of the making of America. And during that
time I was totally converted. And that's part of the
reason why I was so emphatic about running on a
constitutional platform and becoming a constitutional sheriff and creating the
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constitutional sheriff and peace Officer Association Sheriff MAC.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Do you have any recommendation what's going on in North Carolina?
Do we have good sheriffs in North Carolina?
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Do you know any good ones? Are you familiar?
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's there's some good ones. Even in
that area that was hidden horribly by the the hurricane
and all of that, there was some good sheriffs that
stood up. There were some sheriffs that stood up to
FEMA and they just saw the common sense of doing so,
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and so God bless them and the sheriffs. There's not
nearly enough. We only have about ten percent of the
nation's thirty one hundred sheriffs that are really dedicated to
standing for the Constitution. That's not nearly enough, but a
third would be. But that's a thousand, and if we
had a thousand, there'd be no stopping it. But too
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many sheriffs are timid about it. They're afraid of causing
any controversy, and they're afraid of losing their pensions and
losing their jobs, and they want to make sure that
they win the next election, and they're more concerned about
that than they are for protecting individual liberty of the
people that they work for and I find that very disgusting.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
I think this episode of the Two Mice with Sheriff
Mac is going to go wide, not just on the platforms,
but I mean, people just send it to each other
because once they hear the first couple of minutes of
this show, we're gonna get bigger audiences just by people
forwarding to each other and family and friends, and you know,
just training people to go and join an organization like
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yours and understanding what is in our hands. A lot
of people like you, they don't know anything you know,
and they're like, well, you know, I'm so busy with
the kids. I can't vote for a chef. Well, you
better get off your ass and do it.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's for sure. I'll tell you all. Jeff give us
the final words.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Go ahead, Well for this, I just want you just
said it. Every American, every citizen, every person can join us.
This is the holy cause of liberty, and folks, make
no mistake. The solution for America today is not if
we move forward together, if we just move forward. Wrong answer.
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Our solution is in our past. It's behind us. We've
got to go back to independence, hall, to the principles
upon which America was founded to the founding fathers. Really, folks,
know what their intent was. Know these good men that
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risk their lives and fortunes and sacred honor to this
holy cause. We must do the same.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Today.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
We offer you an opportunity to do this at CSPOA.
Join us. Every American can be part of this solution.
It's peaceful and it's effective, and we train you. You join
our posse, which is a whopping eleven dollars a month.
There's no contract. If you don't like what we're doing,
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quit but I guarantee you you will because this this
supersedes any political agenda. It doesn't matter who is in
the presidency because we can continue this. And I'm grateful
that Trump is there. Believe me, that did make a difference.
But we can still stand for freedom and create constitutional
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counties all across this country, the presidency notwithstanding. And this
window we have open now because of Trump, well how
long is it going to be open? It could It
could end in two years when the midterms happened. So, folks,
join us in this holy cause of liberty and become
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a part of the solution today. Don't be hearers of
the word, be doers of the word.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
That's not why we offered.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Thank you, Sheriff Macatt's great to have you back.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
On and coming again.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Huh, I sure will, thank you, Mike and Mike
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(02:26):
hello to Sheriff Mac.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
This morning.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
He's got an update. I want to call this the
Mac Report. First, if you've never heard of who he is.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't know where you've been. Okay, Hi, I'm not
going to rock.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But he's going to give us a little bit about
his bio. And then Sheriff Mac's going to give us
the MAC Report on what's going on with the case.
And we want to welcome him back to two Mikes.
Welcome back Sheriff Mac.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Well, thanks Mike and Mike. It's great to be with you. Yes,
or I could say colonel and Michael so we could
keep it straight better. But really, I'm really thrilled to
be with you again. Thank you so much for having me.
I never take it for granted that somebody wants to
talk to me, and the real reason is my bio,
(03:07):
because you know, I did everything in law enforcement. I
worked in law enforcement for twenty years, and I did
everything in law enforcement imaginable except I never shot anybody
and I never beat anybody up.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I was a patrol officer five or six years, and
I was always high in arrests. I came to a
point where I thought that traffic tickets were abusive and
contrary to the proper role of government, and that is
to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I
don't believe that traffic tickets have very much to do
(03:41):
with public safety, but they have a lot to do
with public revenue.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yes they do.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I agree, I do agree, And that's all it is
because you know what if with safety they'd have cameras
and lights on every street.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Well, yeah that or you know they would really be
honest and saying photo radar tickets bring in millions of
dollars and really don't provide any safety increase. So it's
all about the money and it always has been, and
I never I didn't want to be a revenue agent.
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I wanted to be a public servant and I wanted
to help people, and I wanted to keep people safer,
not take their money from them every chance I get.
And I call traffic tickets taxation through citation, and you
could quote me on that.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The support.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, So I specialized in crimes against children. I was
a school resource officer and when I did that, I
handled all complaints from teachers about children who they suspected
were being abused at home. And so there was twelve
schools in that district and I handled the complaints. So
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I was really busy, and I mean really busy. And
I patrolled the schools and I walked the halls of
the schools and I did everything I could to make
sure that the children were safe. And we had a
pretty good record that way. Then, after eleven and a
half years at provol Police in Utah, I moved home
(05:19):
just crazy. My wife and I had an epiphany that
her parents were right, that we needed to move home
and run for sheriff. And I did. And I hadn't
lived there for twelve years. And I walked into town
and I said, make me your head law enforcement officer.
I've got great experience. I'm from here, I'm new blood,
and I'm old blood. And I got elected and that
(05:40):
was nineteen eighty eight. I got re elected in nineteen
ninety two. And I had started when I was a
rookie cop and back in nineteen eighty three studying the
Constitution because I saw that we took an oath, but
I didn't see anybody keeping it, and we never trained
in it. Why do police and sheriffs, why did they
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swear notes of allegiance to the constitution? Nobody knows. I
didn't know, and I had sworn Neill twice by that time,
and I'm going, why did we do this? Well, it's
required by law, by the sixth Article of the Constitution,
that everyone in government, state, local, and federals shall swear
oath of allegiance to the Constitution. And so I said,
(06:24):
why do we do that? And we never studied. We
don't even know why. So anyway, I started studying the Constitution.
I became very proficient in the Constitution, especially the Bill
of Rights. And so when the Brady Bill was promulgated
by the federal government, I recognized it immediately as being unconstitutional.
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And the federal government, within the Brady Bill, especially Clinton,
who this was his baby, decided that they wouldn't have
federal officers enforcing this. They would commandeer the office of
Sheriff nationwide and force US sheriffs to enforce this for
them for free, without any contracts, without any negotiation, and
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threatened to arrest us if we failed to comply. All
of that is absolutely true. It's all documented within the
Brady Bill and my Supreme Court case because I became
the first sheriff in American history to launch a major
lawsuit against the federal government. Take it all the way
to the Supreme Court, and when we won, and six
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other sheriffs from across the country joined me, and so
seven of us stood up against this gun control, illegal,
unconstitutional legislation. And there's thirty one hundred sriffs in America
and seven did this. Sheriff prints from Montana and I
ended up being consolidated, and we went to the Supreme Court,
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and Justice Scalia wrote this decision. It came out June
twenty seven of nineteen ninety seven, and it is the
most powerful amph amendment decision in the history of our country.
And it states emphatically quote, we have held, however, that
state legislatures are not subject to federal direction, and we're
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not They're not our boss. And in fact, the sheriff
does not answer to the governor. He doesn't answer to
the attorney general, he doesn't answer to the legislature of
the state. He doesn't answer to the county commissioners. He
answers only to we the people. And therein is the
definition of a constitutional republic. The people choose who represents them,
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and they are the boss, and we the people are
the supervisor and boss over the sheriffs and all of
our other elected officials for that matter.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
So so sheriff mac for instance, Let's just take an example,
one county, one city, whatever inside of America. The sheriff
is supposed to do his job. Let's say whatever it
is doing this, that the other thing, and they're not
working for the people. What do we do with a
guy like that? We just re elect a good sheriff, right,
we find a good sheriff and we re elect one.
Get rid of this guy and say goodbye.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Well, yes, and some states have recall so you can
actually force him to get recalled and run again. Nice
and sometimes that works. The main thing you want to do, though,
is when your sheriff first first gets elected, you want
to make sure he gets educated. Because I was in
the same boat. I understand sheriffs and police officers all
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across the country that get inculcated watching television and movies.
You know, Clint Eastwood and John Wayne and all that.
And the big one back when I was first a
cop was Swat and Hill Street Blues, and so you
watch those and you think, oh, that's what a cop
supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Even the slogan in Hill Street Blues was Okay, let's
get out there and do it to them before they
do it to us. We're a horrible, horrible motto. We're
supposed to be out there, protecting and serving, not do
it to them before they do it to us. Seeing
and so the whole thing has been bast awkwards. And
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so I understand, and I'm a little bit patient. We
all got to do that. But it's our responsibility of
citizens to make sure our sheriff knows and understands the
importance of his oath of office and his role in
preserving our constitutional republic. And if they don't understand that,
and they don't even understand that we're not a democracy,
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and they don't understand what form of government we're actually
supposed to be, how are they going to defend and
preserve all of this? That's how are we going to uphold, defan,
protect and preserve. And so if they don't know, we've
got to make sure they know.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You're absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Most of the people you here today talking about our
democracy and we don't have that. We have a constitutional republic.
And the left, the progressives right now in Washington, Democrats
whatever states, they're like, we have to save our democracy. Well,
if you want to go by what they say, we
saved it November.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
We saved it. November. We had an election, you lost,
and that's the end of the case. Goodbye.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
But I'll still tell them we didn't save the democracy.
We saved our republic. Exact fact. In Article four, section
four of the US Constitution, it says the United States
Government shall guarantee to each state a republican form of government.
Doesn't say anything about a democracy anywhere in the Constitution
or the Declaration of Independence. Nothing. And then what do
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we say to children? Every day? Every morning? We pledge
allegiance and to the republic.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
That's right, which it stands, all right?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And I don't even know that they do it in
every class. I don't even know if they do it
in every class anymore, every school.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I mean, that's that's long gone.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I know. And you're right. And I used to teach
at a charter school here in Arizona, and every morning,
every morning, we did the pledge and I would talk
to the kids, because I was a history teacher. I
would talk to the kids, let's look at the pledge
of allegiance. What is a republic? None of the kids knew.
And I'm talking about junior high and high school students.
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Nobody knew what her republic was, and so it's pretty simple.
It appears to be quite democratic in some of its means,
but the true true republic is that the people are
in charge. And that's why we have a constitutional republic.
Because our republic is surrounded by the parameters and limitations
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of our constitution, which it was written for our employees
and our servants to make sure our individual God given
rights are being protected by our government employees.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Well you see what happening with judicial courts and administrative judges,
you know, and they don't have any right. I mean,
they think they do and they want to do, but
as the president, he has to abide by the constitution
and they don't have any foothold there. I want to
let Michaels join on right now, doctor Michael you.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
There, Yes, go ahead, say sheriff. I wanted to ask you,
and I just don't know the answer to this. When
when young officers, whether sheriffs or deputies, deputies or city
policemen or other kinds of policemen, when they go to
the academy, their academy when they before they are sent
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into service, is there not a course on the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Very rarely.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
No, there's not amazing, and they've got to do that.
They've got to reins. They think because they do case
law that applies especially to law enforce that they think
they're going over the Constitution. They don't. As a matter
of fact, I attended the FBI National Academy as a sheriff.
I was invited by the FBI to their eleven week course.
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I mean I was away from the office for eleven weeks.
Chronicle Virginia and Safford, Arizona are about twenty five hundred
miles away from each other, so I didn't get to
come home. And I wanted this training, and my dad
was a retired FBI agent, and so I wanted to
attend that. It's excellent training. But I took a constitutional
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law class, and I thought, Matt, I'm going to see
what the FBI officer offers about the Constitution. The professor,
who is a has a doctorate degree, and he was
a professor, and I think he also worked at the
University of Virginia, and he said, at the very beginning
to introduce his class, we're going to bypass the basics
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and get right into the more pertinent case law. Well,
first of all, courts do not make law. They established precedent,
and each case should be looked at individually because they're
all different. And instead of acting like they make law,
which is contrary to the Constitution. The first line in
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the United States Constitution is plain and simply that the
legislative body is the only place that can make law.
Judges don't make law, and executive branch, the president can't
make law. Only the legislature can make law. So when
you look at that and you say, oh, okay, well
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that's a huge change for all of us right there,
and these activist judges. I am so glad that Judge
Dugan was arrested. She broke the law. She was harboring
and helping and aiding and a betting a known criminal,
and she stuck her neck out on the line and
it looks like somebody's gonna chop it because she I
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think she's going to serve some time, And well she should.
And finally someone is doing something about the corruption within
our court system and the corruption within the justice system.
And the judges are the ones who have appointed themselves
to be gods in their courtroom, and kings and queens
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and they can do anything they want and get away
with everything, and they have immunity. I mean, you can't
sue a judge who totally destroys you in a courtroom.
And so we've got to get rid of that, and
they've got to be hannibal for what they're doing. And
finally we're getting there and the other thing. Just so
I can make this really emphasized, the police academies in
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this country have got to start teaching the basics. And
we cannot understand the quote pertinent law case law if
we don't know the basics and the intent of the
founders when they promulgated the Constitution and more specifically the
Bill of Rights.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Sarah mac I have a question, how long ago did
you see this happening? Was this before Clinton where they
started using these activist judges, because I remember when Clinton
was elected, his first order of business was wipe out
all the ags in every state, just put all new
ags in at the time. So I'm just thinking, how
far back do we go with these activist judges? And
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they're mad dogs now, they're just insane people. And I
think for you to be a judge in this country,
you should be born here, not first generation, you know,
because your family came from wambamb or whatever it is,
you know, with socialist Marxist ideology. I mean you look
at some of these people. They're rabid Marxist leftist progressives,
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and because they're a judge, they're like, screw you, screw
to constitution, screw to republic.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I mean, how far back do you think just started.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Well, to be quite honest, if you look back at
some of the huge mistakes the Supreme Court made, you
got to go back to about the early eighteen hundreds.
But luckily, you know, it wasn't as much a pandemic
in our country as it is now, and they've gotten worse.
The pressure on judges to follow suit with whoever appoints them.
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You know, that's obviously federal judges. Whoever appoints them, they
go along with their political dogma. So like, for instance,
Lessi versus Ferguson was a huge decision that the Supreme
Court totally botched, and they came up with this segregation
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slogan that has said, oh, yeah, we can go ahead
and keep segregation, but as long as we give equal
stuff to everybody, it's okay to keep them segregated.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And that was the.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Equal but separate, but equal doctrine. So you're equal, but
you dark equals are over here and you light equals
are over here. And literally, the Supreme Court of the
United States perpetuated segregation for another fifty eight years after
that decision, and finally Brown versus Board of Education said, no,
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you're not equal if you can get separated by force
separation or forced segregation by the government. We want to
be in the same place. We want to see and
feel what everybody else is doing. We didn't want to
be separated and because of the color of our skin,
and this is how stupid it was for quite some time,
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and then Rosa Parks came out and doctor Martin Luther King,
and finally we realized that we were doing the wrong thing.
But doctor King was arrested over thirty times, and Rosa
Parks was arrested obviously for not giving or sea to
a white man. And that was actually during my lifetime.
I was three years old when that happened in Montgomery, Alabama,
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and that happened in December one, nineteen fifty five. I asked,
and I want to ask every peace officer and sheriff
in this country if you were called back into time
to Rosa Park's situation and you were supposed to handle
that call, would you have arrested her or would you
have taken her home safely, escorted her home safely, and
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then given her and her family extra patrol to make
sure nobody messed with their family and nobody harmed them
because she didn't give her seat to a white man.
You see, this is now where we're starting to finally
see that cops and sheriffs are standing for what's right.
Numerous cops have stood against sheriffs specifically, have stood against
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gun control, and they said, you might do that in
some other county, but it's not going to happen in
my county. That's the kind of constitutional sheriff you want.
And that sheriff have stood against the COVID nineteen mandates,
there hundreds of them all across the country, said you're
not going to do that here. This is still America,
and we're not going to sacrifice our country and our
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constitution and our God given rights. So you can feel
comfortable wearing a mask, or that everybody else should. Masks
were counterproductive. Shutting down schools was a disaster to our country.
And to our children and shutting down businesses absolutely absurd.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
That's going to be a long term effect.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
If you notice herriff, how many people now have mental illness,
and the way the children are learning after post COVID,
it's a whole new world.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
It's not like when we grew up going to school.
It's just Thereme.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Court case actually addresses that. It calls it the crisis
of the day, so that we don't concentrate power in
one location to find solutions to the crisis of the day.
And the crisis of the day is something the government
perpetuates and does on its own and then hands us
their solution on a silver platter. Never trust that. In fact,
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we were warned by Jefferson and Washington and never trust government.
Make sure you hold their feet to the fire. And
that's what the role of our sheriffs is nationwide. And
if the people will get involved with their sheriffs and
join his posse and have been form a posse and
work on a certain risking squad and make sure that
you're working with your sheriff to make sure he is
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following and obeying the US Constitution.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You know I'm going to bring this up. We just had.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You know, usually we do an evergreen show, but just recently,
what is the last couple of days, we had a
ruling on those police in Memphis who killed that man.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And you see they were acquitted, and you see that
it's black cops.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
On a black man who was killed. But yet when
you look back at Saint John at Floyd, I call
him Saint George Floyd because they they canonized and you know,
the the Soorrows in those groups, they got what they
wanted at a deal. But that guy Shauvin is still
in jail, and you know he's got all kinds of issues.
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The justice system is not justice for all. It just
doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
No, it's all political now. And and we're actually working
with a sheriff who got attacked by the Biden corrupt FBI,
Sheriff Scott Jenkins from Virginia. My dear friends, I need
all of you to call your congressman and senators, especially
the Republican ones, and tell them Sheriff Scott Jenkins from
Virginia needs a pardon. He was arrested and found guilty
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in a court of a federal tyranny. He is a
good man, one of the best constitutional sheriffs in the
country stood for the Second Amendment, stood for the Constitution,
stood against the Biden corruption, and he and other sheriffs
were actually having a phone conversation about starting their own
criminal investigations against Hunter Biden. Three weeks later, two of
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them were arrested, including the most vociferous about this, and
that is Sheriff Scott Jenkins. He's looking at ten years
in prison because he supposedly did a bribery. There was
no victim, there was no crime, and this was a farce.
Amandas dedicates his life thirty four years in law enforcement,
protecting people and upholding the Constitution. He gets ten years
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for a trumped up, supposed bribery that he never even
spent any of He just put it in a safe
and put it away, and he never did anything wrong.
He was set up by somebody within his office. And
this is a horrible miscarriage of justice. We're trying all
we can to get President Trump to pardon him. We
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need other people to contact the county.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Is he answer County Culpe? Oh, okay, got you, got you? Yes.
He was very popular. I remember him. I saw him
at sea.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
He was the one that came out and said, if
they try to come and take guns, I'll deputize everybody
in my count right.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I remember I didn't put the name with the face,
but I know who you're talking about. Yes, he was
one of the first guys out there. I remember he
was at sea pack. I mean, everybody wanted to interview
him on media row.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
He's like the more popular guy. Yep, that's him. Wow.
I didn't know that that happened to him. Gosh.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
But because of this, because of this, he wasn't able
to run for office. And so there's a new sheriff there.
I don't really know him, but I hope that the
sheriffs will get behind this. Good Sheriff Scott Jenkins. But people,
every one of you listening, just make one phone call
for him. Call your congressman or your senator, or do both,
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call both and say please get this to Trump to
pardon Sheriff Scott Jenkins.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Well we'll get out there. Thank you so much, Sheriff Mac.
That is very important. Yeah, he was a great guy,
big chubby guy.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I remember I saw that.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Yeah, he's pretty big.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah he's and he's a good man.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I remember he was the first guy that says I'll
deputize everything. They tried that also. I think I think
there was a sheriff. They just bumped the sheriff out
of Berkeley County, West Virginia's name was gosh, what that was.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
It, Mike? Remember he was on our show.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, I don't remember the name though.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
They well, his same kind of situation. His daughter got
in the car accident, and you know, he went, as
the father basically sheriff, to go and see if his
daughter was all right, and there was cameras and everything,
but they made it sound like he was telling his deputy, hey,
fix this up.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
You know, his daughter was.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
A drug addict and in and out of rehab kind
of thing. But you know, they made sure his ass
was shifted out the door because he was a constitutional
sheriff who wanted to deputize anybody that wanted to be deputized,
you know, in the event of BLM and all that.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
You know, And and there's several states that are moving
now to appoint sheriffs instead of electing them because they
don't want independent sheriffs. They've seen that they can't tell
these sheriffs what to do, and rightfully so, because he
answers to the people, not you, And so King County,
Washington and Washington State is probably the worst state in
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the Union of going after sheriffs and attacking the office
of sheriff. So we're going to plan a big CSPOA
conference there in Washington State, and we're going to let
these people know the sheriff doesn't answer to you. But
the AG is actually suing Sheriff Wagner in Adams County
because he broke the law. He actually is helping the
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federal government with deportation, and that's against Washington State law supposedly.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Can I ask just a kind of a follow up question.
My first I have always been well at least in
the last thirty five years forty years, dazzled by that
the no president taking advantage or taking his responsibility under
the Constitution to assure republican government the people.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Or that's a good point.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Yeah, Washington and Oregon and California, increasingly Georgia, those places
are clearly not being run New York State not being
run as a Republican government. And to me, I think
I always thought when I read that clause in the
Constitution that it's very clear that the president can take
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whatever measures are necessary to rectify the situation, and not
one in I don't think one in history has ever
done it.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah, well, and it says an article corse action wort
says guarantee to them. And so I don't know if
he's supposed to force him to be a republic, but
they certainly should all be. And they all swear the
same oath, you know. So I find it alarming that
so many people in government swear an oath of allegiance
to the Constitution and summarily ignore it or don't even
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know the first thing about it. So they're ignorance or arrogance,
and maybe both. That we have a better idea than
the Constitution. I don't have to keep my oath, which
is a crime in and of itself, because you swear
an oath and you intentionally violate it, that's perjury.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Well, you look at these things and you wonder. The
Constitution is a beautiful document in the sense that it's
accessible to almost everyone. It's hard to misunderstand.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yeah, I've always said that I don't need anybody to interpret.
I don't need a judge to tell me what shall
not be infringe means. I know what that means and
Congress shall make no law. I know what that means pretty.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Clear, sure, but it's you know, in many ways, the
states are more powerful than they should be because.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah, they have they have a lot more leeway when
it comes to regulations. The federal government has hardly any
regulatory authority, only the Commerce Clause. And and they've really.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
They've stuffed a lot of things in the Commerce Clause
that should not be there.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Of course, yes, And and they have assumed and stolen
power that they do not constitutionally have. And that's what
I was really hoping that Trump would be a part
of it, just getting rid of that stuff, like getting
rid of the Department of Education. There's no there's no
authorization in the Constitution for the federal government to be
involved in education. And not only that, but this ridiculous
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thing that they've started of student loans. They don't even
right to use the taxpayer dollars for that. And they
certainly don't have any of the to funnel money to
the parenthood with taxpayer dollars. That is so criminal, absolutely
criminal that they do that.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
You're absolutely correct, And again, if you go to the Constitution,
you see that immediately, if you can read.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well. I'm going to do a plug right now while
we're on this show with Sheriff Mac. Sheriff Mac, we're
good friends with John Birch Society and the President and
the CEO and all.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
We know them all.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
John McManus was a friend of ours. In fact, it's
amazing I grew up within miles of John McManus, who
passed away. He was a former president and the President CEO.
We all grew up within a matter of miles of
each other in New York City. We never knew this
untill we started speaking to each other. However, it's one
of the best for free information on the Constitution, videos,
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whatever you need, it's right there jbs dot org and
they're happy, happy to give it free.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
And I will send you the linquin.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
This show is over because Joe Wolverton is one of
the best explaining it, and he talked about what Trump
should be doing because these radical activist judges that are
appointed by Obama and Biden. I mean, it's just kick
them to the curb, especially these guys that.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Are not even born here.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I mean, you know they come in Just think about
where they come from, you know, I don't want to
say what Trump says. But they are ass whole countries.
I mean, they don't even have listen. They teach yoga,
but they don't have any telephone lines. They don't have
any toilets, you know what I mean, what are you
talking about here? Yeah, we could, we could do coding,
don't worry about it. But we can't do toilets, you know.
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I mean, come on, it's a whole different world out
there today.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
You're right, You're right about JBS, and you're also right
about Joe Wolverton. He's a friend of mine. Oh you know, okay,
one of the greatest legal minds in the country, and
he knows the Constitution backwards and forwards forwards. And I
think every every sheriff should be the same. I mean,
it's not hard to understand and and maybe there are
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some gray areas here and there, but there are very few,
you know, like making sure you get a warrant and
it's duly signed, and what are the exceptions to that?
There should be very few exceptions, but a crime committed
in your presence is one of the exceptions. Like every
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time I arrested somebody for duy, I didn't get it.
I didn't get a warrant. I saw the crime committed
in right in front of my eyes, and so I
stopped them. If I let them go to go get
a warrant and I come back in a half an hour,
you know, that's probably going to be too late. Maybe
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the traffic accident. I'm going to be investigating the traffic accident.
So yeah, even then, I still make arrests at traffic
accidents when I find that one of the drivers is drunk.
And so there are times when you don't need to
get a warrant, and and it's counterproductive to get a warrant,
but went, in doubt go get a warrant, and and
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so uh in hot pursuits, you don't have to stop
and go get a warrant, uh huh. So yeah, it.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Seems to me that a lot of the problems started
when they started telling people that and teaching it in schools,
that the Constitution is a what do they call it,
a living, living multiple.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
It's multiple. However, however your politics want to change it
and mold it. Yeah. Yeah, it's a piece of clay
to be changed and authored.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
It's like a dispensing. You put your wants in there
and it comes out twisted and you can do whatever
you want.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Well, you know, and that's that's the thing. The Founding
Fathers actually did not have the Bill of Rights and
too until two years after the Constitution was signed and
and initiate and put into place, and so uh A
few of the more uh yeah, a a few of
the more radical founders went to Madison, JELLN. Hancock and
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Samuel Adams and somebody else, maybe Patrick Henry even though
he never signed anything, and they said, hey, we forgot
we forgot something. And Madison got mad and said, what
do you talk about? We did this great thing. Bloods
went in tears and God inspired us and say, yeah,
all that's true, but where's the Declaration of Rights? And
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Madison goes, oh, wow, you're right. And he called everybody
back and they said they wanted to make sure if
you read the preamble to the Bill of Rights, we
wanted to make sure that there was some laws there
that they would never be able to misunderstand or misinterpret.
To increase the clarification of the Constitution, they promulgated the
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Bill of Rights. And when they started brainstorm brainstorming it,
guess what they came up with. One hundred and eighty nine.
Wouldn't we do the same today if we were to
do that. But they've dwindled them down because they took
out all of the duplicity and they dwindled them down
to twelve. And the States ratified pen And there's about
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twenty eight principles of freedom within those ten amendments. There's
five in number one. There's about nine in number six,
and that's all due process. Number six is about the
steps that every accused person receives must receive greue process,
and each step is in there.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
And so.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
We don't want judges or anyone to think that they
need to be interpreted. They need to be enforced. And
that's what these arrogant judges have made a huge mistake on.
It's not up to these gods and these self appointed
kings and queens in the courtroom to interpret them. For
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is for the peasants who don't know anything about this stuff.
It's not their job to interpret. Interpret is not mentioned
in the Constitution anywhere. They take the same oath that
we do. You are to enforce and obey the United
States Constitution, more specifically the Bill of Rights. You don't
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get to alter them, and to change them. It takes
a huge amount of a two thirds vote, in some
cases three fourths of a vote to get these things altered.
That's why they know they can't get rid of the
Second Amendment. So they just pragmatically try to get rid
of the Second Amendment. We don't have to follow it
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because we don't like it.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
So, Yeah, I am so glad that Pam Bondi is
getting after judges, and I hope Dugan's just the first one.
We need to go after hundreds of them and make
them told line and get rid of any immunity that
has been placed on judges.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Well, look at the due process on January sixth protesters.
There was no due process. They were treated, they were
treated like it was a gulag. And now you have
these retards in Washington Metro area protesting that this illegal
immigrant who was trafficking people you saw the video by
now that he should have a due process. I mean,
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come on, this this country so upside down, and this
Washington Metro area is so upside down because people don't
know anything. But again, they're paid shills. People are putting
money out there to fit you know, they got assigned
they're not working, they're not employed, and it's like.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Hey, in the ACLU.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
The ACLU is one of the worst organizations in America.
Has nothing to do with civil liberties. It's a total
lefty deal. It's like planned parenthood for legal that's it.
You know, got to get rid of that too. Now
they even have late night Sure if they even have
late night commercials, to send nineteen dollars a month to
the ACLU so you get a shirt, you know, like
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one of those Saint Jude things.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
I've dealt with the ACLU before, I've dealt with the
Southern Property Law Center. I've dealt with the ADL. It's
funny the ADL. It's Anti Defamation league, and they have
defamed me so many times.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I've called them.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I've tried to get I said, you guys know the
Anti Defamation League, but you've lied about me numerous times.
I said, don't take you how to give me a
public apology and retraction. They never call back. Of course,
they don't care. They just want their money. And so
all of these organizations get huge amounts of money, especially
Southern Property Law Center, And once I caught them intentionally
(39:52):
lying about me, and they had to write a retraction.
But that was about thirteen, fourteen years ago, and they
still call me one of the top forty domestic terrorists
in America. And I've never committed an act of violence ever. Ever,
even the twenty years I was in law enforcement, I
never beat anybody up. I never saw anybody, I never
(40:15):
abused anybody. I was never even accused of police brutality
or any improper behavior with the public ever. And yet
they still put me on that list.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
The sheriff, I'm gonna go I'm gonna just retract for
a second. Going back to a hot pursuit. I don't
know if you saw the Ladies video. It's just a cracker.
So this police officer, you know, obviously sees this woman's
doing something wrong. He stops her and she's got a
crack pipe in the car. Did you see this one
with the raccoon, Yes, hilarious.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
So the crack mike, did you see this one? No?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I did not, All right, So this raccoon, he stops
the lady. She's got the crack pipe, and she's got
a raccoon in the car, and the raccoon is trying
to get the crack pipe to take a hit. And
then he takes her out of the car and he's
trying to get the other pipe, and the raccoon's holding
back the crack pipe, like, okay, you got one.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Sure you know, mister officer, you got one. I got one.
You go about your business. I need the crack pipe.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Yeah, they usually are. I need to write a book
about all those types of incidents that happened to me,
But I think I think my last book will probably
be just the story of my life and and how
I got to the Supreme Court and how all the miracles,
the miracles that happened, the miracle of becoming sheriff in
(41:39):
my hometown, the miracle of even marrying my wife, and
how a huge part that she played and her family
played in teaching me the Constitution. They her parents were
jbs ers.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Oh okay, and.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
So as soon as as soon as I walked in
the door with their daughter, uh, they started teaching me
the Constitution. Her brother, especially Mitchell, and her dad. Her
mom tried, but her mom wasn't a very good teacher,
but her dad and her brother were very good. And
(42:15):
that's where I got my constitutional education, and then I
took some other classes. And I don't know if you
know doctor W. Kleon Skousen.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yes, I know.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
We have his nephew on all the time, Joel Skousen.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Oh, Joe, Okay, sure well. Doctor Skeusen did a class
in Utah when I was a cop there, and it
was at the University of Utah, and it was sponsored
by Utah Standards and Posts, Peace Officers Standards and Posts.
So that's the organization that oversees the qualifications for cops
and the training that cops need to have. So two
(42:52):
hundred and forty cops attended the seminar by doctor Skeusen,
and it was called the Constitution for Law Enforcement. I
do the same class today, quite not quite as good,
or into his book called The Making of America. And
for two days, sixteen hours of training, we didn't talk
(43:12):
about case law. We talked about the founding fathers and
the miracle of the making of America. And during that
time I was totally converted. And that's part of the
reason why I was so emphatic about running on a
constitutional platform and becoming a constitutional sheriff and creating the
(43:36):
constitutional sheriff and peace Officer Association Sheriff MAC.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Do you have any recommendation what's going on in North Carolina?
Do we have good sheriffs in North Carolina?
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Do you know any good ones? Are you familiar?
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's there's some good ones. Even in
that area that was hidden horribly by the the hurricane
and all of that, there was some good sheriffs that
stood up. There were some sheriffs that stood up to
FEMA and they just saw the common sense of doing so,
(44:09):
and so God bless them and the sheriffs. There's not
nearly enough. We only have about ten percent of the
nation's thirty one hundred sheriffs that are really dedicated to
standing for the Constitution. That's not nearly enough, but a
third would be. But that's a thousand, and if we
had a thousand, there'd be no stopping it. But too
(44:31):
many sheriffs are timid about it. They're afraid of causing
any controversy, and they're afraid of losing their pensions and
losing their jobs, and they want to make sure that
they win the next election, and they're more concerned about
that than they are for protecting individual liberty of the
people that they work for and I find that very disgusting.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
I think this episode of the Two Mice with Sheriff
Mac is going to go wide, not just on the platforms,
but I mean, people just send it to each other
because once they hear the first couple of minutes of
this show, we're gonna get bigger audiences just by people
forwarding to each other and family and friends, and you know,
just training people to go and join an organization like
(45:16):
yours and understanding what is in our hands. A lot
of people like you, they don't know anything you know,
and they're like, well, you know, I'm so busy with
the kids. I can't vote for a chef. Well, you
better get off your ass and do it.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's for sure. I'll tell you all. Jeff give us
the final words.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Go ahead, Well for this, I just want you just
said it. Every American, every citizen, every person can join us.
This is the holy cause of liberty, and folks, make
no mistake. The solution for America today is not if
we move forward together, if we just move forward. Wrong answer.
(45:57):
Our solution is in our past. It's behind us. We've
got to go back to independence, hall, to the principles
upon which America was founded to the founding fathers. Really, folks,
know what their intent was. Know these good men that
(46:18):
risk their lives and fortunes and sacred honor to this
holy cause. We must do the same.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Today.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
We offer you an opportunity to do this at CSPOA.
Join us. Every American can be part of this solution.
It's peaceful and it's effective, and we train you. You join
our posse, which is a whopping eleven dollars a month.
There's no contract. If you don't like what we're doing,
(46:45):
quit but I guarantee you you will because this this
supersedes any political agenda. It doesn't matter who is in
the presidency because we can continue this. And I'm grateful
that Trump is there. Believe me, that did make a difference.
But we can still stand for freedom and create constitutional
(47:08):
counties all across this country, the presidency notwithstanding. And this
window we have open now because of Trump, well how
long is it going to be open? It could It
could end in two years when the midterms happened. So, folks,
join us in this holy cause of liberty and become
(47:30):
a part of the solution today. Don't be hearers of
the word, be doers of the word.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
That's not why we offered.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Thank you, Sheriff Macatt's great to have you back.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
On and coming again.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Huh, I sure will, thank you, Mike and Mike
Speaker 5 (47:47):
Thank you, sir,
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