November 11, 2025 • 40 mins
Richard and Pat discuss how they, and many Christians are sometimes hesitant to share their faith in Jesus with those that may not be receptive. They talk about why that is, what Jesus has commissioned us to do, and how doing it can sometimes benefit us as much or more than the people we're trying to help.
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Pat (00:23):
And welcome to the two Unlikely Christians podcast.
I am comedian Pat McCool and aman who once thought that
wearing a hundred percentpolyester shirts with sports
logos matched with.
Striking dress pants and pennyloafers was a good way to
attract women.
And now to across the pond, toesteemed psychotherapist and a
(00:49):
Dixon specialist, and a man whois making his last international
appearance as a single man.
Rich (00:58):
That is
Pat (00:58):
true Trophy Hu Trophy husband, Richard Turrell.
Rich (01:03):
Tr Yeah.
Uh, yes.
That is me.
I'm a trophy.
Yeah.
I'm not other, not like you guyshave, so hopefully I won't be
mounted on the wall, you know,glassy-eyed stare, you know,
like the last look of the horrorcaptured on my face, you know.
But, uh, yeah, it's nice.
I consider myself a trope.
(01:24):
I consider myself a prize,Patrick.
Consider myself a catch.
Pat (01:30):
I think, uh, Reen is, is worthy.
Is worthy of you.
Rich (01:34):
Yeah,
Pat (01:34):
you're right.
She's a lucky
Rich (01:36):
woman.
Pat (01:37):
Yep.
You are you a little nervous?
You're just days away?
Rich (01:40):
Am I nervous?
Not really.
I suppose it brings up, I'm notnervous about getting married to
a lot.
I've never felt more certainreally in a relationship.
Um, and, you know, and alsohaving like the biblical.
You know, a Christian marriageis something quite different.
I think, you know, you have thislike underpinning commitment to
God and to each other, right?
(02:00):
And you know, so you, it.
It's not about a feeling.
I mean, there is a feeling,obviously there's a feeling of
love and attraction and all ofthose things, right?
So all of that stuff's very,very present.
Um, but there's, it's, there'sthis, this kind of guiding
principles to it, which make itsomething quite different.
And it's, you know, like, notlike kind of like checking out
(02:21):
after three years because thefeeling's gone away or, or
whatever.
And you know, unless you knowI've made, you know, I've made
serious mistakes in that areaand caused a lot of harm.
Um, and hurt along the way, butthis is something different.
So I don't feel nervous aboutactually getting married and
making that commitment, if I'mhonest.
There's some bits that come up,Patrick, about like, like, you
know, am I like, am I goodenough?
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You know, like, you know,there's some kind of inadequacy,
some old beliefs that that thatsurface and for both of us, we
were speaking about that thismorning.
You know, I'm not good enoughfor her.
She feels like, you know, she'sgood enough for me, you know,
all she put up with the roughedges, you know, if that's what
I, you know, I have a few roughedges.
I'm, I'm definitely not likethe, I'm not the finished
article pat.
(03:07):
So yeah, there's, there's littlebits and pieces around that, but
largely very, I feel very calmand confident going into it.
Pat (03:16):
The main thing is you're putting Jesus first.
And when you do that going in,'cause most people don't.
I had not when I first started,but when I first got married.
But the fact that you're doingthat, you're way ahead of the
game and you have all thefoundation left.
I mean, uh, you have all thefoundation there that you need.
And as far as you not being goodenough for that, actually we're
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gonna discuss, uh, a couple ofthe good things about you.
That I have noticed along theway before we send you off to ma
to matrimony.
Uh, and what we're gonna startthe topic today.
I don't know exactly what thename of the topic would be, uh,
but is are you ashamed?
Uh, not are you ashamed?
Uh, don't be ashamed of yourfaith.
(04:01):
And I was think, I don't know ifthat's a good title, but you'll
see as we go into it and ourlisteners will.
And I believe they can relate.
Um, the fact that you aregetting married, we had to kind
of do this recording in a pinchso we wouldn't have a, so we
wouldn't have a lapse in a week.
And I mentioned to Gwen, uh, Isaid, well, we're gonna do a
quick, uh.
(04:21):
Episode because Richard's notgoing to be available because
his, you know, priorities, uh,you know, he hadn't quite,
quite, he ain't quite figuredout.
Talking to P Rat on a Saturdaymight be a little less important
than making a biblicalcommitment for the rest of his
life.
But I'm, I'm good with thatthough.
(04:42):
And she said, uh, well, howabout the, how about don't be
ashamed of your faith?
And I said, um, I, I did.
I said, eh.
I don't, I don't know aboutthat.
Um.
And I don't know if I said thatbecause I didn't really have
time to prepare on the topic orI don't know if I said that.
'cause it might have hit alittle bit close to home.
(05:02):
Mm-hmm.
And it might be an area that I'mnot, uh, where I need to be,
which might sound surprising.
I mean, I am you, you Google me,you'll see Christian comedian.
And I perform in churches.
My subtitle of my book is OneMan's Walk Towards God.
We do a podcast called TwoUnlikely Christians, but in that
church, they all know Christianswalking in there.
(05:24):
If they click on two unlikelyChristians, you know, they know
what they get and they pick upthe book.
They know what they're getting.
But how do I, I startedthinking, well, how do I
actually act when I'm out inpublic?
And something you alluded to inour last episode, when I'm
trying to be one of the coolkids.
When I'm trying to fit in withthe tribe and trying to fit in
(05:45):
when I get along.
And I thought a greatillustration, um, of that, or
maybe not illustration, but agood description of maybe where
I was, was when we met.
Because if you remember, you andI meet.
I hear that English voice, youknow, I'm a big fan of the
Brits.
I start, where are you from?
And we start talking and hittingit off and you, you telling me
(06:08):
what you're doing and I'm acomedian.
And, and then we, you know, westart talk, I talk about the
book that I wrote and how I havea passion for helping people
'cause all the trouble and themisery I got into, uh, you know,
and how I got my life backtogether.
Uh, during that, if you recall.
I never said that.
(06:29):
That was a couple hourconversation.
Never brought it up.
Rich (06:32):
Yeah.
Pat (06:32):
I told you I have a passion to help people.
You said you have a passion tohelp people.
Uh, you and I kind of becameinstant friends and we didn't
run outta things to talk about.
We just ran out of time, whichis why we're still, we're still
talking and.
A couple months later, I get athing on LinkedIn or somehow you
track me down and, Hey, let'sget together and let's talk.
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And I'm telling my wife, Hey,this is a great guy, uh, that
I've met.
But you know, I told her after Imet you.
And, uh, because we watch allthe British shows.
And so it's so cool that I'vemet a guy from England, and as
you know, I, I expanded myCosmopolitan international
footprint because now I have a.
You know, I have a buddy fromLondon who sometimes lives in,
in Oxford, so I tell her thatand, but he wants to get BA back
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together and talk.
'cause you, one of the lastthings you said was maybe we can
get together and do some thingsto help people.
Together.
Never in that conversation did Itell you that the way I help
people is I tell them about mystory and about how I was a
miserable person and I developeda faith for Jesus and started
becoming a follower of Jesus.
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And that's how everything that,that, that's how all my problems
in life were solved.
I'm thinking this guy's fromLondon, psychotherapist, diction
specialist.
London's not really known as theBible, uh, capital of the world.
I'm thinking.
This guy, uh, you know, when Itell him that, you know, he
might think I'm some biblethumping Southerner, and, uh,
(08:02):
and all of a sudden I wouldn'tbe a cool kid to Richard
anymore.
You see where I'm going withthis Rich?
I honestly was thinking that inmy mind.
So then I kind of, hey, we, youknow, we, we finally schedule a
meeting, a zoom meeting, and weget together and I realize,
look, well, I have to tell himif we're, you know, talking
about getting together andhelping people.
Where, um.
(08:23):
At what I do, what I do with mycomedy, I go in and I make
people laugh.
I tell my story, I start talk.
I do jokes about things that Igot in trouble with and then
tell them, and then I use myhumor to help bring people
around and show them that faithin Jesus is the path to, uh, to
joy and peace.
And I don't remember exactlywhat I.
Said, but whether I've just readthe title of the book or maybe
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you had, uh, I said, uh, no, Ihadn't read the title, the book.
'cause you hadn't read the bookyet.
Somehow, right off the bat Imentioned that, and I think I
maybe mentioned the title, andyou immediately leaned forward,
your eyes got big.
Mm-hmm.
And you said.
In your British, are you aChristian?
Are you a Christian?
And your head started bobbing.
(09:08):
I said, well, yeah, actually Iam.
You said I am too.
And you were so excited aboutit.
So here I was all of this time,reluctant to tell, and I'm gonna
get in on down the line as wediscussed this, how silly it was
for me to be withhold withwithholding that information.
But that's how.
(09:28):
I at that time, I don't know ifI was being ashamed, but I
certainly was wanting to bethought of cool, you know, as
the cool guy Richard was talkingto.
But I didn't come.
Right.
I had two hours to tell you Iwas a follower of Jesus and I
never said that, whatsoever.
Um, what are your thoughts onthat, rich?
I see the big brain going.
Rich (09:48):
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, it is hard.
Like I'm still getting over it,right?
Like.
Not meeting you, but maybe, but,um, you know, like last night,
so last night I, I brought twofriends to church, right?
One of them has come with mebefore the other one, it was his
first time.
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So one of them, it was hissecond time, one of it was his
first time, right?
And, um, you know, I've beenkind of talking to these guys
like slowly, gently, over aperiod of time, power of
example, as much as anything,talking about what Jesus has
done for me, talking about thetransformation in my life.
You know, my journey.
Not a smooth one into faith, youknow, but, you know, hugely
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transformative, you know,changed my life, saved my life,
you know, salvation, you know,all these sorts of things.
Anyway, and like the, you know,it, it undeniable.
Um.
Uh, you know, the way I'veexperienced Jesus in ways that,
that are undeniable, right?
And, um, I'm not even gonna sayundeniable to me.
They're just undeniable.
Right?
And, um, and, and, and so thesetwo guys have come with me and
(10:52):
that's great.
It's a beautiful thing.
You know, I think it's such abeautiful thing to see people
even taking a step or twotowards faith, right?
It's a beautiful thing, right?
And, um, my friend was like, youknow, and they did the order
call.
My friend was like, what?
What's going on up there?
And I was like, well, you know,they ask people to come to the
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front and people can pray forthem.
They can ask for prayer for thisor prayer for that, or no.
Sometimes people give their lifeto Jesus up there, you know?
And he was like, okay.
And he, he looked really like,it was almost like it was part
of'em that wanted to go up, butdidn't, you know?
And I, and I, I said, look, canI pray for you?
You, are you okay if I pray foryou?
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It took, there was still thislike, you know, there's an
anxiety to do that.
You know, there's still a partof me that's not bold in that
regard, you know?
And like, I'm a lot bolder thanI've ever been.
I, I happily tell people I'm aChristian, you know, well
actually I'm a Christian, so,you know, but in that moment,
and this is like two guys, likethey're in church.
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Do you know what I mean?
Like, they're there.
Like, it's not like, what's thefear?
But there can still be this fearof, of, I don't know what,
right.
But it's, yeah.
Like I get it.
Really, you know, I do, I getit.
Um, it's got a lot easier for meover time.
I was definitely, I rememberwhen I first started going to a
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Christian recovery ministry andover here in the UK called
Believers in Recovery.
And uh, I was driving to thismeeting and, um, a friend of
mine from my 12 step groupcalled me.
He was, are you all right?
And I was like, yeah, yeah, I'mokay.
I'm okay.
And uh,'cause that's what we doin England.
We don't actually answer thatquestion, right.
(12:39):
We just tell everyone we'reokay, we're fine.
Right?
And, um, and he said, oh, whereare you going?
I said, I'm gonna a meeting.
And he said, where?
And I said, Perry Vale, which isa long way from where I lived at
the time in Central London.
Right.
Why are you going over there?
It's a long way.
And I was like, uh, well, um,you know, uh.
(13:00):
He said, um, what did he, hesaid, I didn't think there was
an NA, you know, sorry, what?
A 12 step meeting over there ona Monday night.
And I was, well, I'll tell you.
Alright mate, look, I'm gonnatell you the truth.
I've been gonna believe it's inrecovery.
And it was like I was tellinghim, you know, like I was, you
know, it was like a dirtysecret.
It felt like a dirty secret forme at the time, you know?
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And, um, you know, it is goteasier, but yeah, there's still
that, like, there's an inbuilt,I don't know what it is.
It's like just this resistancesometimes.
And it, like I say, it's got alot easier, but it's, it's still
there.
I still notice it.
Pat (13:36):
Something in the last episode, it's still'cause
popping back up in my mind.
You, you were talking aboutwanting to be part of the tribe,
wanting to be one of the coolkids.
If you don't want people tothink that, uh, you know, that
you're, you're strange or you'reweird, or you want people to
like you, um.
It's like when I, if I'm talkingto somebody, well, what do you
do?
And I tell'em, well, I'm acomedian or something.
(13:58):
And uh, well wait.
I'm like, well, you know, if youGoogle me, they Google me
immediately, like I'm sittingthere talking to'em.
They'll, you type in Pat McCooland it immediately pops up.
Christian comedian and I can.
See the look on some people'sface, uh, they're like, oh, I
love comedy.
Oh, comedy.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, you're righthere.
Oh, cool.
You've been on tv.
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Oh, you're right.
Oh, oh.
And then you can, you can seethe face change a little bit
when they see the Christian partcoming in.
It's almost like, uh, uh, tosome people.
It's a little, oh, he's aChristian.
Maybe he's gonna start, youknow, he is going to talk about
Jesus.
And, and the truth is, you know,you can say God all you want
around people.
(14:39):
Have you ever noticed that?
But you mentioned the word whenyou say,
Rich (14:43):
yeah,
Pat (14:43):
everything gets thick all of a sudden.
And, and I think, but, but backto what I was saying.
You.
It's like, I want, I, oh, Iwanna be accepted.
I wanna be the cool, you know, Ijust, I want, obviously up to
this point they think I'm thisguy and we're having this
conversation.
And then now that I'm a cri, andthat's not everybody, some
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people will just light up justlike you did the time I told,
you know, when we first, when wefirst met.
But I think it might go back tosome of what you're talking
about, what you were mentioning.
You know, in your clinical, thetribe aspect, you want people
to, you want people to like you.
Now, is that the right thing todo?
Be more concerned with somebodyliking you than it is telling
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them the most important thingsthat they need to know in life.
Go ahead.
You were about to say something.
Rich (15:30):
I just, I wonder about this Sometimes it's something
I've thought about a lot.
It's just that like, you know,like that ick, you know, that
feeling of kind of almost like aslight like.
Revulsion, right?
I used to experience it if I wasa Christian, right?
I'd look at the guy, you know,the guy on the corner preaching
or like handing out leaflets or,you know, and I just feel this,
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like, it just, it, it just felta bit like, ugh.
You know, I'd have quite aphysical reaction to that.
Yeah, it's really interesting'cause I would see people of
other faiths, you know, likewith, you know, whatever that,
with, with whatever book, youknow.
I don't wanna get into all that.
Right.
But like with whatever booktalking about, you know, their
religion and you, I'm preaching.
(16:13):
Right.
Doing what from their point ofview seems like the right thing
to do.
Right.
And like, I always knew thatthey were, that that wasn't me.
That there were differencesbetween me and those people, you
know, that they were ofdifferent kind of culture, a
different belief system orwhatever.
Right.
But I never felt that ick.
But then I, I feel it around,like, around Christian and I,
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you know, I, I, I truly.
Believe it is like that.
It's the, you know, the work ofthe enemy, you know, the workers
of Satan over the, you know, thedecades and centuries.
But I think particularly in the,you know, the back end of the
20th century, in the start ofthe 21st century that we're in
now, it's like we've drifted sofar from like what the truth is
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that it seems weird, right?
But like, once you are in it,for me, once I'm in it, you
know, to like, to not believe itseems.
Seems weird, you know?
It's like, but we've just, it,there's just this resistance to
it.
And I, you know, when, when Iwas lost out there in the world,
like I, you know, I felt it.
I never wanted to go to church,but I never wanted to become a
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Christian.
You know, if you'd asked me in2020, when did I start going 23?
Beginning of 23, if you'd askedme in 2023, right?
Because I'm very new Christian,right?
But if you'd asked me in 2023,you know.
You know, in the weeks, evenbefore it happened, before I
went to my first black Christianrecovery meeting in a state of
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absolute desperation, right?
Like, you know, like, do youwant to go to church?
Like, are you open to pursuing arelationship with Jesus?
I'd have been like, absolutelynot.
You know, and like I'dinvestigated like Buddhism, like
I did some Native American stuffover the years, you know, like
went and sat in a sweat lodge,right?
(18:02):
In the countryside here, youknow, it turns out gonna sit in
a very dark space with other menbeating drums, like an extremely
hot, you know, if you'recarrying a level of childhood
trauma, it's actually not thebest thing for you.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, it's actually quiteunpleasant and that anyway, but,
you know, and I'm, I'm notdisparaging anyone else, right?
I'm really not.
But like, you know, I was soopen to like other things.
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I was so close-minded to, to,you know, to, to the truth, you
know, to like the light of theworld, like life.
It's, you know, like the, thecreator of like, the universe,
you know, the, the man who flungthe stars into the sky, you
know, like God made man thatwalks among us, you know, like
I, I, I was so resistant to thatand it, it fascinates me, you
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know, that, how that resistancehas become so built.
It's almost like, I don't wannasay hardwired because it's not.
Because obviously you can berewired.
I've been rewired, you know,Jesus done a spiritual surgery
in me and rewired me.
But I'll tell you what, it's notfar off hardwired in our, in our
society today, you know?
Um, and it's sad.
It's tragically sad, and Ibelieve that to be the work of
the enemy, you know, liesperpetuate by the enemy that
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have become so embedded in oursociety that they're just taking
as facts, you know?
Pat (19:16):
I think that's where it's coming from, that revulsion is
what's inside of you.
We, at this point, I have theHoly Spirit inside of me, so
that's what kind of controls mythoughts and that controls my,
my feelings towards people.
But I was the same way back, wayback during my party days and I,
when people would mentionsomething to me, I just, you did
kind of have this kind of a, youknow, the back off kind of
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weirdo.
Type thing.
And I think 100% that that's isSatan.
He's trying to tell you, stayaway from that person.
Stay away from that person, stayaway from that person.
You remember the, whatever theBible verse, uh, you can't serve
two masters.
So if you're not really, ifyou're not following Jesus, I
don't, you can be a greatperson, a good person, but if
you're not a follower, Jesus.
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Satan's inside of you and he'sinfluencing you.
And that's what happens when youget around someone like that.
But us as Christians, that, thatknow the truth inside of us.
And for example, you ever noticethat?
Is it easier for you to witnessor share the gospel with
somebody that's like they'restruggling, homeless, addiction,
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ex, et cetera?
Because when I see somebody downon their luck, I mean, I have
this inside of me that I want toshare the gospel.
I want to help people.
I get a great feeling ofsatisfaction.
Uh, outta doing it, it is justin my heart and I'm convinced
that's the Holy Spirit.
But personally for Pat, if I seethe person that's maybe pitiful,
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the person that's struggling orhomeless, somebody dealing with
addiction, they're easy to talkto.
Ever know?
Is that the same feelings youhave?
I, if somebody's really down ontheir luck, if really somebody's
struggling, they're havingtroubles or having I'm can easy
going, Hey, here's, you know, I,I start relating to them first.
I try to put myself on theirlevel.
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Been there, done that.
Here's how I got out of it.
Easier to talk to that personthan your peer group.
Then the person that you'retrying to, to, uh, uh, you know,
impress somebody.
Do you see what, you see whereI'm going with that?
Rich (21:14):
Yeah, 100% it.
Yeah, I think there's, it feelslike there's more of an opening
there and maybe, I guess ifwe're coming back to what we
spoke about in the last episodethat you've, you know, you've
mentioned in this episode, um,you know, that stuff about the
tribe and, you know, wanting tobelong and like, you know, and
this is just the thought I'mhaving now, pat, but.
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And it's a sad thought and it'sjust, maybe it's a sad truth,
but it's like, if I'm talking tosomeone that's really that down
in their luck, then rejecting meDoesn't seem that scary.
No,
Pat (21:45):
that's a,
Rich (21:46):
maybe there's a sad truth in that, but, um,
Pat (21:49):
I think that's a, that's a great point.
Rich (21:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pat (21:52):
Because you're thinking this, this person over here that
I want to, like me, that I thinkis doing fine, that I want to
fit in with, although, like yousaid, the person over there
that's really struggling.
That's a very good point.
Go ahead.
What were you gonna say?
Rich (22:06):
Well, I hear a lot of stuff in, you know, that kind of
locker room preaching.
So my fiance, she's a, she's abig fan of, um, Francis Chan.
You come across him.
Uh, he, he, he is got a lot ofstuff out there.
He's a preacher, I think from abig church, I wanna say on the
West Coast.
Right.
(22:27):
He's like a locker roompreacher.
Francis is Chan f Chan.
So he's written some greatbooks, but he's very much like
locker room.
He's like, he's refrain is like,come on you guys.
Come on you guys, come on, youguys be, it's like, be bold, you
know?
Don't hide, you know, we don'tlike, we don't, you don't like a
lamp and hide it under a bowl,you know, like, you know, like,
(22:47):
you know, like, get out there,tell people about him, you know,
share, you know, not I, I.
And you know, I find it hard,man.
I'm not that bold like Shere myother half, she's a lot bolder
than me.
You know, she's much less like,wrapped up in what other people
think in some ways, you know, insome ways.
Um, but yeah, it's really, so,you know, it's really something
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I'd like to work on Pat.
And I guess, you know, theusefulness of, I think sharing
this out to our listeners right,is like, it's like look, if you
are someone that finds it a bitscary and a bit hard.
And you fear that rejection,like, that's okay.
You know, like, but it's at thesame time, it's something to
work on.
I mean, that's, I mean, speakingto myself as much as anyone
else, like it's something towork on because actually the
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joy, look, when we share thegospel and we try and bring
someone else to'em and fulfillthe great commission, right?
Go out and make disciples.
That's what I'm asking you todo.
Go out and make disciples.
That's what I'm leaving you now.
Please go out and make somedisciples, right?
You know, and that's, that's notabout us, right?
Like, that's about, you know,serving him, serving humanity,
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right?
Saving souls, right.
So it's not about us.
However, the joy of seeing thelight come in someone's eyes,
you know, like of seeing likesomeone start to get it to like
realize like what's this about?
You know, to start, you know,like, I dunno what it is about
being here and I still don'treally get it, but there's
something, it fit, there'ssomething here.
(24:13):
You know, when you see the tearsstart to appear in someone's
eyes in the middle of theworship song or like, you know,
in the sermon or, or whatever,you know, when you see that the
joy of that is like.
It's such a beautiful thing.
Right.
But yeah, it's still hard.
It's still scary, you know?
Pat (24:29):
Well, it's kind of like you said, when we first started
doing this, we just, you justhave this passion to want to
help people experience it.
Um, but it's not as easy.
'cause sometimes I think youencapsulated it right there.
You're more worried about whatpeople think.
Than their wellbeing.
Think about that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like we're sittingthere talking to somebody that,
(24:51):
you know, the bridge is out downthe road.
You know that if they keepdriving, they're going off that
cliff, but you don't tell'embecause you don't want them.
To feel a little, you, you knowwhat I mean?
You want them to like you morethan you want to go out and give
them the help and give them theneed.
And you know, their scriptureafter scripture that he says, go
(25:14):
out and share the world.
And I think the, you know, the,the whole you.
The meat of what we're talkingabout here is I think a lot of
us go out.
It is easy to share with theperson that's struggling some,
but to go out and just letpeople know.
I'm not talking about walkingaround being a Bible thumper,
but I think what my wife waskind of pointing out was, you
definitely reserve yourself alittle bit and I'm not talking
(25:35):
about going out and just likeyou said.
You know, constantly trying topreach to people, but be quick.
And I started thinking about my,with you.
I was reluctant to tell you, uh,who I was and what I was.
'cause I wanted you to like me.
I wanted the big brain from Richto, I, I needed a friend from
London and I didn't wanna tellhim I was some weirdo Jesus
(25:56):
follower.
And, uh, and then it turned out,um.
That you were too, and it turnedout to benefit me incredibly.
A matter of fact, you, you couldbe a little hard on yourself
because when we decided to dothe podcast, I was, I was think,
again, I'm thinking I'm workingthe angles.
(26:17):
I'm always thinking the angles.
And I was like, yeah.
One thing I, I remember thequestion I asked you.
You probably,
Rich (26:22):
yeah, yeah, I do.
You said, oh, like how mightthis suppress, uh, affect you
professionally and like thereis.
Look, there is a question aboutthat, right?
Like, and the, the reality of itis this comes out, this comes
out in a different space towhere I promote myself
professionally.
(26:42):
But the truth is at the sametime, you know, if it comes out,
like if the two cross over, itcrosses over.
But it's just about having thatbit of faith really, you know?
Um, yeah.
It's just about,
Pat (26:54):
yes.
Well, you, you didn't, youdidn't bat an eye.
You didn't blink when I saidthat to you.
You immediately, I don'tremember the scripture, but you
immediately quoted thescripture.
In other words, it was adecision that you had made
somewhere along the line.
You didn't know the question wascoming.
You just looked at me withoutthinking twice and said, this is
what Jesus wants me to do andthis is what I'm doing and I'll
(27:17):
let the chips you said what youjust said.
Yeah.
It's a different space.
You're not putting it over intoyour, into your clinical.
Uh, space, but you immediatelysaid, this is what Jesus wants
me to do and this is who I am.
And I will let the chips fallwhere I may and I will trust in
Jesus.
That's what you said.
(27:37):
So I wouldn't give yourself, uh,that much.
I wouldn't beat up on yourselfthat, that much because I also
noticed along the way that, uh.
You would have always have ascripture.
We were talking about somethingquickly.
You would, you would have aquick scripture.
I'm like, here's a guy that'sbeen a Christian for two or
three years, and he can pop outscripture and I gotta start
(27:58):
fumbling through Bible pages andfinding things that I, you know,
that I've left on my phone.
Uh, you came up to speed prettyquick and that helped give me a
deeper.
Purpose and digging intoscripture, and I started doing
it.
So I started in preparing forthese podcasts, I started
reading the Bible more.
(28:18):
I started getting great benefit,uh, out of things that you said
and things I observe from you.
I'm like, you have thisscripture right there at hand,
that scripture that can come inhandy when you're sitting around
possibly sharing your faith withsomebody.
And the fact is.
You were basically saying, yeah,I don't make a big deal about it
(28:39):
in my professional.
Life, but let the chips fallwhere it may, if I see somebody
about to drive off the cliff,I'm gonna tell'em, and I'm gonna
do whatever I can.
And that's pretty impressive.
Rich.
You ought to give yourself somecredit because it's, it has
helped change me in the timethat we've known each other.
It's like this is a bold guy,and I've had far more instances
(29:02):
in my life where Jesus has cometo my rescue, where it's just
engraved in my heart that God isreal.
Jesus is real.
He's the path to joy, peace, andhappiness, and ultimately heaven
at the end of, at the end ofthis life.
And you have been quite ashining, uh, shining example of
that.
And you've had to risk, I mean,I'm a comedian.
(29:23):
I don't, I'm a Christiancomedian.
I don't have a heck of a lot torisk there.
People know who I am.
You on the other hand, werewilling to do that, so I give
you credit for that.
Uh, but we're just trying to letpeople know Yeah.
Everybody that, that's outthere, you, we all feel the same
way.
Just be cognizant.
God does want us to share.
One of the best ways you canshare your faith is how you act
(29:45):
and how they see you comportyourself.
People a lot of times, uh, willsee just you.
You're showing them gentleness.
You're showing them kindness.
You're showing them support.
You're showing them,encouragement.
The way you are around people oryou're acting the way Jesus
would want you to act.
So then the opening comes whensomething happens, they realize,
oh, this is not somebody that'scoming at me trying to judge me,
(30:08):
trying to hit me upside with theBible.
But they're really trying tohelp me.
And I do see the light inside ofthem.
And I think, um, I think that'sthe biggest thing we get from
this.
Shine the light.
Be prepared to share your faith.
Um.
But share it in the way you actand what you do and be prepared.
And I'm a lot better, I'm a lotbetter equipped to do that
(30:29):
because I met you.
Uh, and I have a lot moreunderstanding.
I mean, I've, I've read morescripture, memorized more
scripture, I'm ready for it.
And I've seen that example.
So isn't that kind of crazy?
The dude, the man, the meth andthe legend that I did not want
to tell that I was a Christian.
(30:50):
Has made such a huge impact inmy life.
So, as a matter of fact, that'skind of funny, I'm always
working the angles in life.
You know, you're trying to goout and help.
Sometimes you don't realize it,you're out.
You're thinking, maybe I couldshare Jesus.
Maybe I should not tell this guyhow I feel, or what, or, you
know, what, what's really the,um, what is the ground zero for
(31:13):
my happiness, my joy, and mybeing able to help people.
Maybe I, I should share with himto help him.
Turned out that when I did sharewith him, I was the one that
benefited by sharing with youbecause it all came pouring
outta you.
Pretty neat, huh?
Rich (31:32):
Pretty neat.
Patrick, Nicole.
Yeah.
Pat (31:35):
Well, with that said, rich is getting married this week, as
I have alluded to, so I'm gonnalet him get on to his pre, um.
His premarital, uh, what are we,four or five days away?
Rich (31:48):
Five days out?
Man, I have to say that Patrick,I've kept checking the mail and
I haven't seen like, I mean, Iwas assuming there'd be a gift
from you or maybe a check.
I know you American, you stilllike checks
Pat (32:02):
it.
It's come, well, the portrait isnot, the portrait hasn't been,
uh, hasn't been done yet.
That I'm having, that I'm havingsubmission
Rich (32:11):
it.
Stop mo, it's off.
It's just, it's behind thecamera.
Pat (32:14):
No, I, I've got a new one coming that I want you to put
in, you know, and I, you'regonna need a bigger frame
because then it's gonna gonna goin the background, but the, um,
Rich (32:24):
pulling, you can just sit on my, you can sit on my
shoulder while I'm working.
Pat (32:27):
Yeah.
Rich (32:27):
You know,
Pat (32:28):
if I could get a, maybe I want a light, a little bit of an
r going on around it.
Yeah,
Rich (32:33):
that sounds like kind of idol, voluntary to me, pat.
I'm not gonna lie.
Pat (32:37):
And, you know, Richard, any tips, you know, how you've
helped me?
You know, I get the freetherapist.
I get to all the, but if anyhelp, because I don't know if
I've ever told you, but I'vebeen married 35 years.
Rich (32:50):
No wait, I heard another rumor as well.
Patch.
Pat (32:54):
I don't like to talk about it.
Rich (32:55):
I heard another rumor.
I heard not only have you beenwritten 30, been married 35
years, but I heard, and this isanother thing, you keep very
quiet, is it true you've read abook?
Pat (33:10):
I have, and I mentioned that I was married in the book,
so, but I don't, you know, Idon't like to brag about it, but
I have a little, I have a littleexperience there, so, oh, and
did you know?
That I wrote poetry.
I suggest that you might lookinto writing a little poetry for
Shireen because that, it'spretty impressive.
I wrote a poem for my wife,years ago.
(33:33):
You wanna hear it?
Rich (33:35):
Sure, yeah,
Pat (33:38):
you might wanna get a tissue.
I just, I don't, again, I don'twanna brag what kind of a
Renaissance man I am.
Um, but if you, if you got atissue next to you, uh, the name
of the poem is My Life Sucked byPat McCool.
It goes like this, my lifesucked.
Then I met you, then it didn't,the end.
Rich (34:03):
It's hauntingly beautiful.
It is just all there, man.
Pat (34:11):
It's just there.
Rich (34:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pat (34:14):
Simon, I'm getting emailed by Simon and Schefter right now
for a
Rich (34:19):
whole book.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean that's, I think that poemalone could be a Netflix like
limited series.
Like they'd get free, they'd getfree episodes just outta that.
I think, you know,
Pat (34:28):
I think I think so.
Um, but it did make all thedifference.
God put that woman in my life.
Go ahead.
Rich (34:36):
Yeah.
No, no.
Go on, please.
You were saying something to me.
You were saying somethingmeaningful.
I was just gonna
Pat (34:42):
poke
Rich (34:42):
fun at you.
I,
Pat (34:43):
no, go ahead and poke fun at me.
I'm out.
I'm out of meaningful.
I do have a co I have a coupleof scriptures for you to end on,
but it did make all thedifference.
And God brought, you know, wetalked about in other episode
about being afraid in our lastepisode.
Do you remember how many times Igot dumped when I was in?
I thought it was the end of theworld and I just couldn't
believe it.
Oh, this woman's good.
(35:03):
Oh, she's gonna leave me for theoil field work.
Her and did.
And she had a good point too.
It was, uh, I was like, whatdoes he have that I don't?
She was like, look, a job.
I was like, okay, well, and I'mlooking at doing time.
I was like, okay, I can see yourchoice, but I ended up getting
the most incredible woman in theworld.
It's made all the difference.
(35:24):
She led.
Me to a much deeper relationshipwith Jesus and actually helped
to lead me to completely turn.
She's just been my rock and shehas, been actually my spiritual,
kind of my spiritual, guidethere.
And it sounds to me like Shereenis very similar.
So I think you might beembarking on the same journey
(35:46):
that I'm embarking on.
Did you have, uh, one last thingto say before I read this
scripture?
Rich (35:51):
Pat, you read the scripture, honestly.
Okay.
Yeah.
Pat (35:54):
Just a couple to leave you with one.
One Corinthians 13, 4 5.
Love is patient.
Love is kind.
It does not envy.
It does not boast.
It is not proud.
It does not dishonor others.
It is not self-seeking.
It is not easily angered.
It keeps no record of wrongs.
(36:16):
There's a reason why I'm readingthis scripture'cause just
between me and you women keeprecords of wrongs.
I'm just, I'm just saying,
Rich (36:26):
do you know what though?
Pat Shere doesn't like she does,and that is she, it's, you know,
and I'm, I can be a trickycharacter man.
That's the truth.
You know?
I bet some rough edges, man.
Yeah, I know.
It's hard to imagine.
But, um, she's, um, yeah, she,yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm really
blessed man.
And like, you know, in the sameway, you know, there's a lot of
(36:47):
similarities.
You know, she's, um.
She's quite, she's quitesomething.
And uh, it's hard, isn't it?
You know, like I, um, yeah.
I mean, I just say like, it'slike, you know, a lot of the
mistakes I made led where I'm,you know, and that doesn't make
what I did in the past.
Okay.
But it has brought me herenonetheless.
Pat (37:08):
Well, some of the wrongs, we're not talking about horrible
wrongs, but, uh, me and a lot ofpeople that are listening are
going, we hope that continues towork out for us.
For you, because a lot ofmarried guys out there were all
thinking, eh, you know,sometimes in a marriage, you
know, things, things you've doneto irritate your wife.
It's, it, it, it's like Jasonfrom Friday the 13th.
(37:28):
You think they're, you thinkwhat you did is dead and buried
and, and it's out in the lake ina million basis, and then when
you least expect it.
It rears its ugly.
It rears its ugly head, justlike bam.
So in five years she's like, youremember that day we were out
there walking and you said this.
Just remember Uncle P Rat toldyou.
(37:49):
It's just part of it.
So,
Rich (37:51):
alright, I'll bear it in mind, pat.
Pat (37:53):
I'm glad.
I'm glad you have, I'm glad youhave the unicorn.
And for all the other ladies outthere that are listening that
don't assume that I'm, I mean, Iapologize if you are like
Shereen and you don'toccasionally bring up.
Missteps of your husband's, butthat can be, uh, and then to
close with this, in allseriousness, the one thing that
(38:15):
I noticed, Richard, when I gotmarried to my wife, I told you
we fought quite a bit, a lot ofjocking for position, you know,
a lot of rage, a lot of thingsthat had gone into that as we
both came together.
She had been married before.
A lot of things get but Iwo, Iwould wake up and I would notice
that my wife was.
Putting my needs first.
(38:36):
I'm not talking about just, youknow, being walked on, but I was
like, she always takes care ofme.
Even if she's mad at me, shedoes the things that she, thinks
she needs to do.
And I started realizing thiswoman has really devoted her
life.
To making me happy.
And I saw that and it, it, itincreased my love immensely and
(38:57):
increased my desire to do thatfor her.
So I do the same.
Matter of fact, I almost, youare not gonna believe this, but
almost irritate my wife with thethings I try to do to help her.
If I don't have anything to do,how can I help with this that
away from the dishwasher, you'vebroken too much stuff, but I
literally want to do things tohelp.
So when you put the other personfirst.
(39:18):
When people ask me, a lot oftimes I see people that are
having marital trouble and I,they say, what's I say, well,
one in one line, put the otherperson first.
And a lot of times they don'task me anything else.
'cause they didn't want to hearthat.
They, they, they just gotta moveon.
They're like, this isn't goingthe direction.
But when you can really learn toput the other person first, and
putting Jesus first helps youput the other person first.
(39:40):
And the last scripture is Romans1210.
Be devoted to one another inlove.
Honor one another aboveyourselves, which is what my
wife and I have done for us,which has led us, believe it or
not, Richard, 35 years ofmarriage.
Rich (39:58):
35 years of marriage, pat.
Well, I I really, I reallyappreciate all, you know, the
sentiment and the scripture andjust the, the well wishes man
means a lot.
Thank you.
Pat (40:10):
You're both, uh, you're both getting fantastic people,
so God bless you and we'll bepraying for you and uh, I will
see you next time when you are amarried man.
So God bless you guys.
Take care.
Rich (40:25):
Oh, bless you.
And welcome to the two Unlikely Christians podcast.
I am comedian Pat McCool and aman who once thought that
wearing a hundred percentpolyester shirts with sports
logos matched with.
Striking dress pants and pennyloafers was a good way to
attract women.
And now to across the pond, toesteemed psychotherapist and a
(00:49):
Dixon specialist, and a man whois making his last international
appearance as a single man.
Rich (00:58):
That is
Pat (00:58):
true Trophy Hu Trophy husband, Richard Turrell.
Rich (01:03):
Tr Yeah.
Uh, yes.
That is me.
I'm a trophy.
Yeah.
I'm not other, not like you guyshave, so hopefully I won't be
mounted on the wall, you know,glassy-eyed stare, you know,
like the last look of the horrorcaptured on my face, you know.
But, uh, yeah, it's nice.
I consider myself a trope.
(01:24):
I consider myself a prize,Patrick.
Consider myself a catch.
Pat (01:30):
I think, uh, Reen is, is worthy.
Is worthy of you.
Rich (01:34):
Yeah,
Pat (01:34):
you're right.
She's a lucky
Rich (01:36):
woman.
Pat (01:37):
Yep.
You are you a little nervous?
You're just days away?
Rich (01:40):
Am I nervous?
Not really.
I suppose it brings up, I'm notnervous about getting married to
a lot.
I've never felt more certainreally in a relationship.
Um, and, you know, and alsohaving like the biblical.
You know, a Christian marriageis something quite different.
I think, you know, you have thislike underpinning commitment to
God and to each other, right?
(02:00):
And you know, so you, it.
It's not about a feeling.
I mean, there is a feeling,obviously there's a feeling of
love and attraction and all ofthose things, right?
So all of that stuff's very,very present.
Um, but there's, it's, there'sthis, this kind of guiding
principles to it, which make itsomething quite different.
And it's, you know, like, notlike kind of like checking out
(02:21):
after three years because thefeeling's gone away or, or
whatever.
And you know, unless you knowI've made, you know, I've made
serious mistakes in that areaand caused a lot of harm.
Um, and hurt along the way, butthis is something different.
So I don't feel nervous aboutactually getting married and
making that commitment, if I'mhonest.
There's some bits that come up,Patrick, about like, like, you
know, am I like, am I goodenough?
(02:46):
You know, like, you know,there's some kind of inadequacy,
some old beliefs that that thatsurface and for both of us, we
were speaking about that thismorning.
You know, I'm not good enoughfor her.
She feels like, you know, she'sgood enough for me, you know,
all she put up with the roughedges, you know, if that's what
I, you know, I have a few roughedges.
I'm, I'm definitely not likethe, I'm not the finished
article pat.
(03:07):
So yeah, there's, there's littlebits and pieces around that, but
largely very, I feel very calmand confident going into it.
Pat (03:16):
The main thing is you're putting Jesus first.
And when you do that going in,'cause most people don't.
I had not when I first started,but when I first got married.
But the fact that you're doingthat, you're way ahead of the
game and you have all thefoundation left.
I mean, uh, you have all thefoundation there that you need.
And as far as you not being goodenough for that, actually we're
(03:38):
gonna discuss, uh, a couple ofthe good things about you.
That I have noticed along theway before we send you off to ma
to matrimony.
Uh, and what we're gonna startthe topic today.
I don't know exactly what thename of the topic would be, uh,
but is are you ashamed?
Uh, not are you ashamed?
Uh, don't be ashamed of yourfaith.
(04:01):
And I was think, I don't know ifthat's a good title, but you'll
see as we go into it and ourlisteners will.
And I believe they can relate.
Um, the fact that you aregetting married, we had to kind
of do this recording in a pinchso we wouldn't have a, so we
wouldn't have a lapse in a week.
And I mentioned to Gwen, uh, Isaid, well, we're gonna do a
quick, uh.
(04:21):
Episode because Richard's notgoing to be available because
his, you know, priorities, uh,you know, he hadn't quite,
quite, he ain't quite figuredout.
Talking to P Rat on a Saturdaymight be a little less important
than making a biblicalcommitment for the rest of his
life.
But I'm, I'm good with thatthough.
(04:42):
And she said, uh, well, howabout the, how about don't be
ashamed of your faith?
And I said, um, I, I did.
I said, eh.
I don't, I don't know aboutthat.
Um.
And I don't know if I said thatbecause I didn't really have
time to prepare on the topic orI don't know if I said that.
'cause it might have hit alittle bit close to home.
(05:02):
Mm-hmm.
And it might be an area that I'mnot, uh, where I need to be,
which might sound surprising.
I mean, I am you, you Google me,you'll see Christian comedian.
And I perform in churches.
My subtitle of my book is OneMan's Walk Towards God.
We do a podcast called TwoUnlikely Christians, but in that
church, they all know Christianswalking in there.
(05:24):
If they click on two unlikelyChristians, you know, they know
what they get and they pick upthe book.
They know what they're getting.
But how do I, I startedthinking, well, how do I
actually act when I'm out inpublic?
And something you alluded to inour last episode, when I'm
trying to be one of the coolkids.
When I'm trying to fit in withthe tribe and trying to fit in
(05:45):
when I get along.
And I thought a greatillustration, um, of that, or
maybe not illustration, but agood description of maybe where
I was, was when we met.
Because if you remember, you andI meet.
I hear that English voice, youknow, I'm a big fan of the
Brits.
I start, where are you from?
And we start talking and hittingit off and you, you telling me
(06:08):
what you're doing and I'm acomedian.
And, and then we, you know, westart talk, I talk about the
book that I wrote and how I havea passion for helping people
'cause all the trouble and themisery I got into, uh, you know,
and how I got my life backtogether.
Uh, during that, if you recall.
I never said that.
(06:29):
That was a couple hourconversation.
Never brought it up.
Rich (06:32):
Yeah.
Pat (06:32):
I told you I have a passion to help people.
You said you have a passion tohelp people.
Uh, you and I kind of becameinstant friends and we didn't
run outta things to talk about.
We just ran out of time, whichis why we're still, we're still
talking and.
A couple months later, I get athing on LinkedIn or somehow you
track me down and, Hey, let'sget together and let's talk.
(06:53):
And I'm telling my wife, Hey,this is a great guy, uh, that
I've met.
But you know, I told her after Imet you.
And, uh, because we watch allthe British shows.
And so it's so cool that I'vemet a guy from England, and as
you know, I, I expanded myCosmopolitan international
footprint because now I have a.
You know, I have a buddy fromLondon who sometimes lives in,
in Oxford, so I tell her thatand, but he wants to get BA back
(07:17):
together and talk.
'cause you, one of the lastthings you said was maybe we can
get together and do some thingsto help people.
Together.
Never in that conversation did Itell you that the way I help
people is I tell them about mystory and about how I was a
miserable person and I developeda faith for Jesus and started
becoming a follower of Jesus.
(07:38):
And that's how everything that,that, that's how all my problems
in life were solved.
I'm thinking this guy's fromLondon, psychotherapist, diction
specialist.
London's not really known as theBible, uh, capital of the world.
I'm thinking.
This guy, uh, you know, when Itell him that, you know, he
might think I'm some biblethumping Southerner, and, uh,
(08:02):
and all of a sudden I wouldn'tbe a cool kid to Richard
anymore.
You see where I'm going withthis Rich?
I honestly was thinking that inmy mind.
So then I kind of, hey, we, youknow, we, we finally schedule a
meeting, a zoom meeting, and weget together and I realize,
look, well, I have to tell himif we're, you know, talking
about getting together andhelping people.
Where, um.
(08:23):
At what I do, what I do with mycomedy, I go in and I make
people laugh.
I tell my story, I start talk.
I do jokes about things that Igot in trouble with and then
tell them, and then I use myhumor to help bring people
around and show them that faithin Jesus is the path to, uh, to
joy and peace.
And I don't remember exactlywhat I.
Said, but whether I've just readthe title of the book or maybe
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you had, uh, I said, uh, no, Ihadn't read the title, the book.
'cause you hadn't read the bookyet.
Somehow, right off the bat Imentioned that, and I think I
maybe mentioned the title, andyou immediately leaned forward,
your eyes got big.
Mm-hmm.
And you said.
In your British, are you aChristian?
Are you a Christian?
And your head started bobbing.
(09:08):
I said, well, yeah, actually Iam.
You said I am too.
And you were so excited aboutit.
So here I was all of this time,reluctant to tell, and I'm gonna
get in on down the line as wediscussed this, how silly it was
for me to be withhold withwithholding that information.
But that's how.
(09:28):
I at that time, I don't know ifI was being ashamed, but I
certainly was wanting to bethought of cool, you know, as
the cool guy Richard was talkingto.
But I didn't come.
Right.
I had two hours to tell you Iwas a follower of Jesus and I
never said that, whatsoever.
Um, what are your thoughts onthat, rich?
I see the big brain going.
Rich (09:48):
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, it is hard.
Like I'm still getting over it,right?
Like.
Not meeting you, but maybe, but,um, you know, like last night,
so last night I, I brought twofriends to church, right?
One of them has come with mebefore the other one, it was his
first time.
(10:09):
So one of them, it was hissecond time, one of it was his
first time, right?
And, um, you know, I've beenkind of talking to these guys
like slowly, gently, over aperiod of time, power of
example, as much as anything,talking about what Jesus has
done for me, talking about thetransformation in my life.
You know, my journey.
Not a smooth one into faith, youknow, but, you know, hugely
(10:30):
transformative, you know,changed my life, saved my life,
you know, salvation, you know,all these sorts of things.
Anyway, and like the, you know,it, it undeniable.
Um.
Uh, you know, the way I'veexperienced Jesus in ways that,
that are undeniable, right?
And, um, I'm not even gonna sayundeniable to me.
They're just undeniable.
Right?
And, um, and, and, and so thesetwo guys have come with me and
(10:52):
that's great.
It's a beautiful thing.
You know, I think it's such abeautiful thing to see people
even taking a step or twotowards faith, right?
It's a beautiful thing, right?
And, um, my friend was like, youknow, and they did the order
call.
My friend was like, what?
What's going on up there?
And I was like, well, you know,they ask people to come to the
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front and people can pray forthem.
They can ask for prayer for thisor prayer for that, or no.
Sometimes people give their lifeto Jesus up there, you know?
And he was like, okay.
And he, he looked really like,it was almost like it was part
of'em that wanted to go up, butdidn't, you know?
And I, and I, I said, look, canI pray for you?
You, are you okay if I pray foryou?
(11:35):
It took, there was still thislike, you know, there's an
anxiety to do that.
You know, there's still a partof me that's not bold in that
regard, you know?
And like, I'm a lot bolder thanI've ever been.
I, I happily tell people I'm aChristian, you know, well
actually I'm a Christian, so,you know, but in that moment,
and this is like two guys, likethey're in church.
(11:56):
Do you know what I mean?
Like, they're there.
Like, it's not like, what's thefear?
But there can still be this fearof, of, I don't know what,
right.
But it's, yeah.
Like I get it.
Really, you know, I do, I getit.
Um, it's got a lot easier for meover time.
I was definitely, I rememberwhen I first started going to a
(12:17):
Christian recovery ministry andover here in the UK called
Believers in Recovery.
And uh, I was driving to thismeeting and, um, a friend of
mine from my 12 step groupcalled me.
He was, are you all right?
And I was like, yeah, yeah, I'mokay.
I'm okay.
And uh,'cause that's what we doin England.
We don't actually answer thatquestion, right.
(12:39):
We just tell everyone we'reokay, we're fine.
Right?
And, um, and he said, oh, whereare you going?
I said, I'm gonna a meeting.
And he said, where?
And I said, Perry Vale, which isa long way from where I lived at
the time in Central London.
Right.
Why are you going over there?
It's a long way.
And I was like, uh, well, um,you know, uh.
(13:00):
He said, um, what did he, hesaid, I didn't think there was
an NA, you know, sorry, what?
A 12 step meeting over there ona Monday night.
And I was, well, I'll tell you.
Alright mate, look, I'm gonnatell you the truth.
I've been gonna believe it's inrecovery.
And it was like I was tellinghim, you know, like I was, you
know, it was like a dirtysecret.
It felt like a dirty secret forme at the time, you know?
(13:21):
And, um, you know, it is goteasier, but yeah, there's still
that, like, there's an inbuilt,I don't know what it is.
It's like just this resistancesometimes.
And it, like I say, it's got alot easier, but it's, it's still
there.
I still notice it.
Pat (13:36):
Something in the last episode, it's still'cause
popping back up in my mind.
You, you were talking aboutwanting to be part of the tribe,
wanting to be one of the coolkids.
If you don't want people tothink that, uh, you know, that
you're, you're strange or you'reweird, or you want people to
like you, um.
It's like when I, if I'm talkingto somebody, well, what do you
do?
And I tell'em, well, I'm acomedian or something.
(13:58):
And uh, well wait.
I'm like, well, you know, if youGoogle me, they Google me
immediately, like I'm sittingthere talking to'em.
They'll, you type in Pat McCooland it immediately pops up.
Christian comedian and I can.
See the look on some people'sface, uh, they're like, oh, I
love comedy.
Oh, comedy.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, you're righthere.
Oh, cool.
You've been on tv.
(14:18):
Oh, you're right.
Oh, oh.
And then you can, you can seethe face change a little bit
when they see the Christian partcoming in.
It's almost like, uh, uh, tosome people.
It's a little, oh, he's aChristian.
Maybe he's gonna start, youknow, he is going to talk about
Jesus.
And, and the truth is, you know,you can say God all you want
around people.
(14:39):
Have you ever noticed that?
But you mentioned the word whenyou say,
Rich (14:43):
yeah,
Pat (14:43):
everything gets thick all of a sudden.
And, and I think, but, but backto what I was saying.
You.
It's like, I want, I, oh, Iwanna be accepted.
I wanna be the cool, you know, Ijust, I want, obviously up to
this point they think I'm thisguy and we're having this
conversation.
And then now that I'm a cri, andthat's not everybody, some
(15:04):
people will just light up justlike you did the time I told,
you know, when we first, when wefirst met.
But I think it might go back tosome of what you're talking
about, what you were mentioning.
You know, in your clinical, thetribe aspect, you want people
to, you want people to like you.
Now, is that the right thing todo?
Be more concerned with somebodyliking you than it is telling
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them the most important thingsthat they need to know in life.
Go ahead.
You were about to say something.
Rich (15:30):
I just, I wonder about this Sometimes it's something
I've thought about a lot.
It's just that like, you know,like that ick, you know, that
feeling of kind of almost like aslight like.
Revulsion, right?
I used to experience it if I wasa Christian, right?
I'd look at the guy, you know,the guy on the corner preaching
or like handing out leaflets or,you know, and I just feel this,
(15:53):
like, it just, it, it just felta bit like, ugh.
You know, I'd have quite aphysical reaction to that.
Yeah, it's really interesting'cause I would see people of
other faiths, you know, likewith, you know, whatever that,
with, with whatever book, youknow.
I don't wanna get into all that.
Right.
But like with whatever booktalking about, you know, their
religion and you, I'm preaching.
(16:13):
Right.
Doing what from their point ofview seems like the right thing
to do.
Right.
And like, I always knew thatthey were, that that wasn't me.
That there were differencesbetween me and those people, you
know, that they were ofdifferent kind of culture, a
different belief system orwhatever.
Right.
But I never felt that ick.
But then I, I feel it around,like, around Christian and I,
(16:34):
you know, I, I, I truly.
Believe it is like that.
It's the, you know, the work ofthe enemy, you know, the workers
of Satan over the, you know, thedecades and centuries.
But I think particularly in the,you know, the back end of the
20th century, in the start ofthe 21st century that we're in
now, it's like we've drifted sofar from like what the truth is
(16:56):
that it seems weird, right?
But like, once you are in it,for me, once I'm in it, you
know, to like, to not believe itseems.
Seems weird, you know?
It's like, but we've just, it,there's just this resistance to
it.
And I, you know, when, when Iwas lost out there in the world,
like I, you know, I felt it.
I never wanted to go to church,but I never wanted to become a
(17:18):
Christian.
You know, if you'd asked me in2020, when did I start going 23?
Beginning of 23, if you'd askedme in 2023, right?
Because I'm very new Christian,right?
But if you'd asked me in 2023,you know.
You know, in the weeks, evenbefore it happened, before I
went to my first black Christianrecovery meeting in a state of
(17:42):
absolute desperation, right?
Like, you know, like, do youwant to go to church?
Like, are you open to pursuing arelationship with Jesus?
I'd have been like, absolutelynot.
You know, and like I'dinvestigated like Buddhism, like
I did some Native American stuffover the years, you know, like
went and sat in a sweat lodge,right?
(18:02):
In the countryside here, youknow, it turns out gonna sit in
a very dark space with other menbeating drums, like an extremely
hot, you know, if you'recarrying a level of childhood
trauma, it's actually not thebest thing for you.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, it's actually quiteunpleasant and that anyway, but,
you know, and I'm, I'm notdisparaging anyone else, right?
I'm really not.
But like, you know, I was soopen to like other things.
(18:24):
I was so close-minded to, to,you know, to, to the truth, you
know, to like the light of theworld, like life.
It's, you know, like the, thecreator of like, the universe,
you know, the, the man who flungthe stars into the sky, you
know, like God made man thatwalks among us, you know, like
I, I, I was so resistant to thatand it, it fascinates me, you
(18:45):
know, that, how that resistancehas become so built.
It's almost like, I don't wannasay hardwired because it's not.
Because obviously you can berewired.
I've been rewired, you know,Jesus done a spiritual surgery
in me and rewired me.
But I'll tell you what, it's notfar off hardwired in our, in our
society today, you know?
Um, and it's sad.
It's tragically sad, and Ibelieve that to be the work of
the enemy, you know, liesperpetuate by the enemy that
(19:08):
have become so embedded in oursociety that they're just taking
as facts, you know?
Pat (19:16):
I think that's where it's coming from, that revulsion is
what's inside of you.
We, at this point, I have theHoly Spirit inside of me, so
that's what kind of controls mythoughts and that controls my,
my feelings towards people.
But I was the same way back, wayback during my party days and I,
when people would mentionsomething to me, I just, you did
kind of have this kind of a, youknow, the back off kind of
(19:38):
weirdo.
Type thing.
And I think 100% that that's isSatan.
He's trying to tell you, stayaway from that person.
Stay away from that person, stayaway from that person.
You remember the, whatever theBible verse, uh, you can't serve
two masters.
So if you're not really, ifyou're not following Jesus, I
don't, you can be a greatperson, a good person, but if
you're not a follower, Jesus.
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Satan's inside of you and he'sinfluencing you.
And that's what happens when youget around someone like that.
But us as Christians, that, thatknow the truth inside of us.
And for example, you ever noticethat?
Is it easier for you to witnessor share the gospel with
somebody that's like they'restruggling, homeless, addiction,
(20:20):
ex, et cetera?
Because when I see somebody downon their luck, I mean, I have
this inside of me that I want toshare the gospel.
I want to help people.
I get a great feeling ofsatisfaction.
Uh, outta doing it, it is justin my heart and I'm convinced
that's the Holy Spirit.
But personally for Pat, if I seethe person that's maybe pitiful,
(20:40):
the person that's struggling orhomeless, somebody dealing with
addiction, they're easy to talkto.
Ever know?
Is that the same feelings youhave?
I, if somebody's really down ontheir luck, if really somebody's
struggling, they're havingtroubles or having I'm can easy
going, Hey, here's, you know, I,I start relating to them first.
I try to put myself on theirlevel.
(21:01):
Been there, done that.
Here's how I got out of it.
Easier to talk to that personthan your peer group.
Then the person that you'retrying to, to, uh, uh, you know,
impress somebody.
Do you see what, you see whereI'm going with that?
Rich (21:14):
Yeah, 100% it.
Yeah, I think there's, it feelslike there's more of an opening
there and maybe, I guess ifwe're coming back to what we
spoke about in the last episodethat you've, you know, you've
mentioned in this episode, um,you know, that stuff about the
tribe and, you know, wanting tobelong and like, you know, and
this is just the thought I'mhaving now, pat, but.
(21:36):
And it's a sad thought and it'sjust, maybe it's a sad truth,
but it's like, if I'm talking tosomeone that's really that down
in their luck, then rejecting meDoesn't seem that scary.
No,
Pat (21:45):
that's a,
Rich (21:46):
maybe there's a sad truth in that, but, um,
Pat (21:49):
I think that's a, that's a great point.
Rich (21:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pat (21:52):
Because you're thinking this, this person over here that
I want to, like me, that I thinkis doing fine, that I want to
fit in with, although, like yousaid, the person over there
that's really struggling.
That's a very good point.
Go ahead.
What were you gonna say?
Rich (22:06):
Well, I hear a lot of stuff in, you know, that kind of
locker room preaching.
So my fiance, she's a, she's abig fan of, um, Francis Chan.
You come across him.
Uh, he, he, he is got a lot ofstuff out there.
He's a preacher, I think from abig church, I wanna say on the
West Coast.
Right.
(22:27):
He's like a locker roompreacher.
Francis is Chan f Chan.
So he's written some greatbooks, but he's very much like
locker room.
He's like, he's refrain is like,come on you guys.
Come on you guys, come on, youguys be, it's like, be bold, you
know?
Don't hide, you know, we don'tlike, we don't, you don't like a
lamp and hide it under a bowl,you know, like, you know, like,
(22:47):
you know, like, get out there,tell people about him, you know,
share, you know, not I, I.
And you know, I find it hard,man.
I'm not that bold like Shere myother half, she's a lot bolder
than me.
You know, she's much less like,wrapped up in what other people
think in some ways, you know, insome ways.
Um, but yeah, it's really, so,you know, it's really something
(23:09):
I'd like to work on Pat.
And I guess, you know, theusefulness of, I think sharing
this out to our listeners right,is like, it's like look, if you
are someone that finds it a bitscary and a bit hard.
And you fear that rejection,like, that's okay.
You know, like, but it's at thesame time, it's something to
work on.
I mean, that's, I mean, speakingto myself as much as anyone
else, like it's something towork on because actually the
(23:31):
joy, look, when we share thegospel and we try and bring
someone else to'em and fulfillthe great commission, right?
Go out and make disciples.
That's what I'm asking you todo.
Go out and make disciples.
That's what I'm leaving you now.
Please go out and make somedisciples, right?
You know, and that's, that's notabout us, right?
Like, that's about, you know,serving him, serving humanity,
(23:51):
right?
Saving souls, right.
So it's not about us.
However, the joy of seeing thelight come in someone's eyes,
you know, like of seeing likesomeone start to get it to like
realize like what's this about?
You know, to start, you know,like, I dunno what it is about
being here and I still don'treally get it, but there's
something, it fit, there'ssomething here.
(24:13):
You know, when you see the tearsstart to appear in someone's
eyes in the middle of theworship song or like, you know,
in the sermon or, or whatever,you know, when you see that the
joy of that is like.
It's such a beautiful thing.
Right.
But yeah, it's still hard.
It's still scary, you know?
Pat (24:29):
Well, it's kind of like you said, when we first started
doing this, we just, you justhave this passion to want to
help people experience it.
Um, but it's not as easy.
'cause sometimes I think youencapsulated it right there.
You're more worried about whatpeople think.
Than their wellbeing.
Think about that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like we're sittingthere talking to somebody that,
(24:51):
you know, the bridge is out downthe road.
You know that if they keepdriving, they're going off that
cliff, but you don't tell'embecause you don't want them.
To feel a little, you, you knowwhat I mean?
You want them to like you morethan you want to go out and give
them the help and give them theneed.
And you know, their scriptureafter scripture that he says, go
(25:14):
out and share the world.
And I think the, you know, the,the whole you.
The meat of what we're talkingabout here is I think a lot of
us go out.
It is easy to share with theperson that's struggling some,
but to go out and just letpeople know.
I'm not talking about walkingaround being a Bible thumper,
but I think what my wife waskind of pointing out was, you
definitely reserve yourself alittle bit and I'm not talking
(25:35):
about going out and just likeyou said.
You know, constantly trying topreach to people, but be quick.
And I started thinking about my,with you.
I was reluctant to tell you, uh,who I was and what I was.
'cause I wanted you to like me.
I wanted the big brain from Richto, I, I needed a friend from
London and I didn't wanna tellhim I was some weirdo Jesus
(25:56):
follower.
And, uh, and then it turned out,um.
That you were too, and it turnedout to benefit me incredibly.
A matter of fact, you, you couldbe a little hard on yourself
because when we decided to dothe podcast, I was, I was think,
again, I'm thinking I'm workingthe angles.
(26:17):
I'm always thinking the angles.
And I was like, yeah.
One thing I, I remember thequestion I asked you.
You probably,
Rich (26:22):
yeah, yeah, I do.
You said, oh, like how mightthis suppress, uh, affect you
professionally and like thereis.
Look, there is a question aboutthat, right?
Like, and the, the reality of itis this comes out, this comes
out in a different space towhere I promote myself
professionally.
(26:42):
But the truth is at the sametime, you know, if it comes out,
like if the two cross over, itcrosses over.
But it's just about having thatbit of faith really, you know?
Um, yeah.
It's just about,
Pat (26:54):
yes.
Well, you, you didn't, youdidn't bat an eye.
You didn't blink when I saidthat to you.
You immediately, I don'tremember the scripture, but you
immediately quoted thescripture.
In other words, it was adecision that you had made
somewhere along the line.
You didn't know the question wascoming.
You just looked at me withoutthinking twice and said, this is
what Jesus wants me to do andthis is what I'm doing and I'll
(27:17):
let the chips you said what youjust said.
Yeah.
It's a different space.
You're not putting it over intoyour, into your clinical.
Uh, space, but you immediatelysaid, this is what Jesus wants
me to do and this is who I am.
And I will let the chips fallwhere I may and I will trust in
Jesus.
That's what you said.
(27:37):
So I wouldn't give yourself, uh,that much.
I wouldn't beat up on yourselfthat, that much because I also
noticed along the way that, uh.
You would have always have ascripture.
We were talking about somethingquickly.
You would, you would have aquick scripture.
I'm like, here's a guy that'sbeen a Christian for two or
three years, and he can pop outscripture and I gotta start
(27:58):
fumbling through Bible pages andfinding things that I, you know,
that I've left on my phone.
Uh, you came up to speed prettyquick and that helped give me a
deeper.
Purpose and digging intoscripture, and I started doing
it.
So I started in preparing forthese podcasts, I started
reading the Bible more.
(28:18):
I started getting great benefit,uh, out of things that you said
and things I observe from you.
I'm like, you have thisscripture right there at hand,
that scripture that can come inhandy when you're sitting around
possibly sharing your faith withsomebody.
And the fact is.
You were basically saying, yeah,I don't make a big deal about it
(28:39):
in my professional.
Life, but let the chips fallwhere it may, if I see somebody
about to drive off the cliff,I'm gonna tell'em, and I'm gonna
do whatever I can.
And that's pretty impressive.
Rich.
You ought to give yourself somecredit because it's, it has
helped change me in the timethat we've known each other.
It's like this is a bold guy,and I've had far more instances
(29:02):
in my life where Jesus has cometo my rescue, where it's just
engraved in my heart that God isreal.
Jesus is real.
He's the path to joy, peace, andhappiness, and ultimately heaven
at the end of, at the end ofthis life.
And you have been quite ashining, uh, shining example of
that.
And you've had to risk, I mean,I'm a comedian.
(29:23):
I don't, I'm a Christiancomedian.
I don't have a heck of a lot torisk there.
People know who I am.
You on the other hand, werewilling to do that, so I give
you credit for that.
Uh, but we're just trying to letpeople know Yeah.
Everybody that, that's outthere, you, we all feel the same
way.
Just be cognizant.
God does want us to share.
One of the best ways you canshare your faith is how you act
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and how they see you comportyourself.
People a lot of times, uh, willsee just you.
You're showing them gentleness.
You're showing them kindness.
You're showing them support.
You're showing them,encouragement.
The way you are around people oryou're acting the way Jesus
would want you to act.
So then the opening comes whensomething happens, they realize,
oh, this is not somebody that'scoming at me trying to judge me,
(30:08):
trying to hit me upside with theBible.
But they're really trying tohelp me.
And I do see the light inside ofthem.
And I think, um, I think that'sthe biggest thing we get from
this.
Shine the light.
Be prepared to share your faith.
Um.
But share it in the way you actand what you do and be prepared.
And I'm a lot better, I'm a lotbetter equipped to do that
(30:29):
because I met you.
Uh, and I have a lot moreunderstanding.
I mean, I've, I've read morescripture, memorized more
scripture, I'm ready for it.
And I've seen that example.
So isn't that kind of crazy?
The dude, the man, the meth andthe legend that I did not want
to tell that I was a Christian.
(30:50):
Has made such a huge impact inmy life.
So, as a matter of fact, that'skind of funny, I'm always
working the angles in life.
You know, you're trying to goout and help.
Sometimes you don't realize it,you're out.
You're thinking, maybe I couldshare Jesus.
Maybe I should not tell this guyhow I feel, or what, or, you
know, what, what's really the,um, what is the ground zero for
(31:13):
my happiness, my joy, and mybeing able to help people.
Maybe I, I should share with himto help him.
Turned out that when I did sharewith him, I was the one that
benefited by sharing with youbecause it all came pouring
outta you.
Pretty neat, huh?
Rich (31:32):
Pretty neat.
Patrick, Nicole.
Yeah.
Pat (31:35):
Well, with that said, rich is getting married this week, as
I have alluded to, so I'm gonnalet him get on to his pre, um.
His premarital, uh, what are we,four or five days away?
Rich (31:48):
Five days out?
Man, I have to say that Patrick,I've kept checking the mail and
I haven't seen like, I mean, Iwas assuming there'd be a gift
from you or maybe a check.
I know you American, you stilllike checks
Pat (32:02):
it.
It's come, well, the portrait isnot, the portrait hasn't been,
uh, hasn't been done yet.
That I'm having, that I'm havingsubmission
Rich (32:11):
it.
Stop mo, it's off.
It's just, it's behind thecamera.
Pat (32:14):
No, I, I've got a new one coming that I want you to put
in, you know, and I, you'regonna need a bigger frame
because then it's gonna gonna goin the background, but the, um,
Rich (32:24):
pulling, you can just sit on my, you can sit on my
shoulder while I'm working.
Pat (32:27):
Yeah.
Rich (32:27):
You know,
Pat (32:28):
if I could get a, maybe I want a light, a little bit of an
r going on around it.
Yeah,
Rich (32:33):
that sounds like kind of idol, voluntary to me, pat.
I'm not gonna lie.
Pat (32:37):
And, you know, Richard, any tips, you know, how you've
helped me?
You know, I get the freetherapist.
I get to all the, but if anyhelp, because I don't know if
I've ever told you, but I'vebeen married 35 years.
Rich (32:50):
No wait, I heard another rumor as well.
Patch.
Pat (32:54):
I don't like to talk about it.
Rich (32:55):
I heard another rumor.
I heard not only have you beenwritten 30, been married 35
years, but I heard, and this isanother thing, you keep very
quiet, is it true you've read abook?
Pat (33:10):
I have, and I mentioned that I was married in the book,
so, but I don't, you know, Idon't like to brag about it, but
I have a little, I have a littleexperience there, so, oh, and
did you know?
That I wrote poetry.
I suggest that you might lookinto writing a little poetry for
Shireen because that, it'spretty impressive.
I wrote a poem for my wife,years ago.
(33:33):
You wanna hear it?
Rich (33:35):
Sure, yeah,
Pat (33:38):
you might wanna get a tissue.
I just, I don't, again, I don'twanna brag what kind of a
Renaissance man I am.
Um, but if you, if you got atissue next to you, uh, the name
of the poem is My Life Sucked byPat McCool.
It goes like this, my lifesucked.
Then I met you, then it didn't,the end.
Rich (34:03):
It's hauntingly beautiful.
It is just all there, man.
Pat (34:11):
It's just there.
Rich (34:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pat (34:14):
Simon, I'm getting emailed by Simon and Schefter right now
for a
Rich (34:19):
whole book.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean that's, I think that poemalone could be a Netflix like
limited series.
Like they'd get free, they'd getfree episodes just outta that.
I think, you know,
Pat (34:28):
I think I think so.
Um, but it did make all thedifference.
God put that woman in my life.
Go ahead.
Rich (34:36):
Yeah.
No, no.
Go on, please.
You were saying something to me.
You were saying somethingmeaningful.
I was just gonna
Pat (34:42):
poke
Rich (34:42):
fun at you.
I,
Pat (34:43):
no, go ahead and poke fun at me.
I'm out.
I'm out of meaningful.
I do have a co I have a coupleof scriptures for you to end on,
but it did make all thedifference.
And God brought, you know, wetalked about in other episode
about being afraid in our lastepisode.
Do you remember how many times Igot dumped when I was in?
I thought it was the end of theworld and I just couldn't
believe it.
Oh, this woman's good.
(35:03):
Oh, she's gonna leave me for theoil field work.
Her and did.
And she had a good point too.
It was, uh, I was like, whatdoes he have that I don't?
She was like, look, a job.
I was like, okay, well, and I'mlooking at doing time.
I was like, okay, I can see yourchoice, but I ended up getting
the most incredible woman in theworld.
It's made all the difference.
(35:24):
She led.
Me to a much deeper relationshipwith Jesus and actually helped
to lead me to completely turn.
She's just been my rock and shehas, been actually my spiritual,
kind of my spiritual, guidethere.
And it sounds to me like Shereenis very similar.
So I think you might beembarking on the same journey
(35:46):
that I'm embarking on.
Did you have, uh, one last thingto say before I read this
scripture?
Rich (35:51):
Pat, you read the scripture, honestly.
Okay.
Yeah.
Pat (35:54):
Just a couple to leave you with one.
One Corinthians 13, 4 5.
Love is patient.
Love is kind.
It does not envy.
It does not boast.
It is not proud.
It does not dishonor others.
It is not self-seeking.
It is not easily angered.
It keeps no record of wrongs.
(36:16):
There's a reason why I'm readingthis scripture'cause just
between me and you women keeprecords of wrongs.
I'm just, I'm just saying,
Rich (36:26):
do you know what though?
Pat Shere doesn't like she does,and that is she, it's, you know,
and I'm, I can be a trickycharacter man.
That's the truth.
You know?
I bet some rough edges, man.
Yeah, I know.
It's hard to imagine.
But, um, she's, um, yeah, she,yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm really
blessed man.
And like, you know, in the sameway, you know, there's a lot of
(36:47):
similarities.
You know, she's, um.
She's quite, she's quitesomething.
And uh, it's hard, isn't it?
You know, like I, um, yeah.
I mean, I just say like, it'slike, you know, a lot of the
mistakes I made led where I'm,you know, and that doesn't make
what I did in the past.
Okay.
But it has brought me herenonetheless.
Pat (37:08):
Well, some of the wrongs, we're not talking about horrible
wrongs, but, uh, me and a lot ofpeople that are listening are
going, we hope that continues towork out for us.
For you, because a lot ofmarried guys out there were all
thinking, eh, you know,sometimes in a marriage, you
know, things, things you've doneto irritate your wife.
It's, it, it, it's like Jasonfrom Friday the 13th.
(37:28):
You think they're, you thinkwhat you did is dead and buried
and, and it's out in the lake ina million basis, and then when
you least expect it.
It rears its ugly.
It rears its ugly head, justlike bam.
So in five years she's like, youremember that day we were out
there walking and you said this.
Just remember Uncle P Rat toldyou.
(37:49):
It's just part of it.
So,
Rich (37:51):
alright, I'll bear it in mind, pat.
Pat (37:53):
I'm glad.
I'm glad you have, I'm glad youhave the unicorn.
And for all the other ladies outthere that are listening that
don't assume that I'm, I mean, Iapologize if you are like
Shereen and you don'toccasionally bring up.
Missteps of your husband's, butthat can be, uh, and then to
close with this, in allseriousness, the one thing that
(38:15):
I noticed, Richard, when I gotmarried to my wife, I told you
we fought quite a bit, a lot ofjocking for position, you know,
a lot of rage, a lot of thingsthat had gone into that as we
both came together.
She had been married before.
A lot of things get but Iwo, Iwould wake up and I would notice
that my wife was.
Putting my needs first.
(38:36):
I'm not talking about just, youknow, being walked on, but I was
like, she always takes care ofme.
Even if she's mad at me, shedoes the things that she, thinks
she needs to do.
And I started realizing thiswoman has really devoted her
life.
To making me happy.
And I saw that and it, it, itincreased my love immensely and
(38:57):
increased my desire to do thatfor her.
So I do the same.
Matter of fact, I almost, youare not gonna believe this, but
almost irritate my wife with thethings I try to do to help her.
If I don't have anything to do,how can I help with this that
away from the dishwasher, you'vebroken too much stuff, but I
literally want to do things tohelp.
So when you put the other personfirst.
(39:18):
When people ask me, a lot oftimes I see people that are
having marital trouble and I,they say, what's I say, well,
one in one line, put the otherperson first.
And a lot of times they don'task me anything else.
'cause they didn't want to hearthat.
They, they, they just gotta moveon.
They're like, this isn't goingthe direction.
But when you can really learn toput the other person first, and
putting Jesus first helps youput the other person first.
(39:40):
And the last scripture is Romans1210.
Be devoted to one another inlove.
Honor one another aboveyourselves, which is what my
wife and I have done for us,which has led us, believe it or
not, Richard, 35 years ofmarriage.
Rich (39:58):
35 years of marriage, pat.
Well, I I really, I reallyappreciate all, you know, the
sentiment and the scripture andjust the, the well wishes man
means a lot.
Thank you.
Pat (40:10):
You're both, uh, you're both getting fantastic people,
so God bless you and we'll bepraying for you and uh, I will
see you next time when you are amarried man.
So God bless you guys.
Take care.
Rich (40:25):
Oh, bless you.
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