August 9, 2025 • 40 mins
Pat and Richard discuss the passing of Ozzy Osbourne and Richard shares his experience with a UK based faith based recovery organization.
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Pat (00:21):
Good morning, rich.
How you doing, buddy?
Rich (00:25):
Good morning, pat.
I'm all right.
Good afternoon, pat.
Yeah.
yeah, it's little bit later inthe day here, but yeah, I'm
doing all right, mate.
How about you?
Pat (00:33):
Uh, I'm doing good.
I'm, I'm suffering in the heat.
We, we've reached the time ofyear where it is just
insufferable, you know, we, welike the heat and the summer we,
we boat, you know, I live on alake and, but when you get to
the end of July, uh.
Hundred five degrees.
There's a heat dome outside.
That's, um, that would be, thatwould be Fahrenheit here, I
(00:57):
guess.
Y'all use Celsius for my, formy, my British buddies.
Rich (01:00):
I'm just, I'm gonna look that up.
Let me gimme one sec.
So 105 degrees.
Barren height incel seas is,
Pat (01:17):
Yeah.
Rich (01:18):
40.
Dig?
Yeah.
That's
Pat (01:19):
We should be.
Rich (01:20):
hot.
And you got it.
You got that humidity
Pat (01:22):
Yeah, we got like 85.
Yeah.
My, my dogs don't even wannawalk.
I'm like, I opened the door thismorning and the dog I haven
looked up and he's like, no bro,I'm not doing this.
He's like, I want you to go downthere.
Use the bathroom on the thirdmailbox on the left.
I want jump to the bark at theready spaniel two houses down
and harass the guy in the bluetruck if he comes by.
(01:42):
But I'm not going to do thatthis morning.
Just hanging here.
Because it's, uh, yeah.
Well, so I just wanted ourBritish friends to know we
weren't dead.
If so, what, what, what wouldthat be?
Celsius.
Rich (01:55):
That's 40 degrees Celsius.
so that is the record we hadover here was 41.9.
In London a few years ago.
So that was, um, and that, Imean, in, in London, that was,
that was really quite somethingthat was very, very unpleasant.
But yeah, that's, that's hot.
And we don't have the air conover here, pat, we don't like,
that's like, it's very, very,very rare that anyone would have
(02:18):
air con in the house, you know?
Whereas you guys, it's like.
We'll have it in the car, butlike in, in a domestic home, we
don't have it an office block.
They might have it, you know,or, or like, you know, a
restaurant might have it, butlike, at home.
No way.
So that, you know, when it'sthat hot, we, you know, we, we
(02:38):
suffer.
Um, plus we haven't reallyneeded it.
Right.
We haven't really needed ituntil quite recently, you know,
like as everything kind of heatsup.
Um, yeah, we haven't needed itso much
Pat (02:50):
Well, we didn't have it here for a long time, and if you
ever talk to, you know, you goto older people, like you go to
your grandparents' house overhere that would be 80 something
years old and you sitting thereand they just got it toasty,
that doesn't, doesn't seem toaffect them.
Now I just, I don't, I don'tknow how people survive.
And even up north, uh, you know,I know you were, you know,
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telling me the, the temperatureis similar, but you're more
similar, you know, New York andalong the mid the, um, Midwest
and the South, it just gets,that's why nobody lived here
till they invented airconditioning.
Everybody, that's a pretty coolplace since we can, since we can
now go inside.
But, uh, but.
Rich (03:30):
So do, do you have it in your, like, how do they put it
into a, into a trailer though?
Pat (03:38):
Let's put a block of ice in the window
Rich (03:42):
Okay.
Pat (03:43):
then we put the box fans that we, that we had at our
grandparents' house, and itjust, and it blows the, and it
just blows the ice in there.
That, that, that's how,
Rich (03:53):
Nice.
Pat (03:53):
that's how we do it actually.
That's what you had when youvisited, when I was growing up
and you visited yourgrandparents.
They, they might have, theymight not even have the ac.
You'd be sleeping in the livingroom and they'd have some one
big box fan blowing, and you'rejust in there like, for the love
of God, and I please survivedthis.
But ac without that, I don'tknow, but it's, it's, this is as
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hot as it's been here for quitesome, you know, it's always been
that way, but it's just peoplearen't used to it.
We used to practice football outin this stuff two days.
Uh, we had what we call Augusttwo a days, hottest time of the
year.
We'd practice one in themorning, one in the afternoon,
and the coaches thought thatthey were helping us build stama
by stamina, by depriving us ofwater.
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We'd get one cup of water, we'dbe so thirsty, we'd have the
trainer dip a towel in a waterbucket and throw it into the
huddle so we could all suck onit to get a little moisture out.
And they, they would arrest acoach that did that today.
But that's kind,
Rich (04:53):
Yeah.
yeah.
But for sure that would be likehuman rights
Pat (04:56):
yeah.
Rich (04:57):
Like, like, and like.
Right,
Pat (05:00):
I
Rich (05:00):
right.
Pat (05:01):
think so.
Rich (05:01):
so.
Pat (05:02):
Yeah.
Not, not a lot of human rightson the, on the, uh, on the
football field.
You just came, went out thereand did and toughed it, but we,
we handled it.
But, uh, anyway, it's good tosee you and, and I think, I know
you had a, a, a great meetingthat you had had just attended.
Uh, before we get to this, uh, Iwanna mention the passing of a
great British icon.
(05:22):
Um.
In Ozzy Osbo, uh, was that kindof a big deal in Britain when
he, uh, with his passing.
Rich (05:32):
Yeah, for sure.
So Aussie was from, um, from aplace called Aston in a city
called Birmingham, which is, I,lived there for a while, like I
actually cleaned up inBirmingham.
And Aston is a, it's a troubled,very poor part of what.
Has been a troubled and quitepoor city historically.
(05:53):
And, um, yeah, I mean they didamazing.
Those guys.
They, you know, they, you know,they, they, they came from
nothing, you know, and Ozzy was,you know, I think saying
national treasure wouldn't be,wouldn't be too far off.
So, um, I know that he was quiteill for quite a long time.
He was obviously very, uh,impacted by his drug use.
Um, and, um.
(06:15):
Like, I, I think it's, it'sreally, you know, it's a sad,
sad moment,
Pat (06:19):
Yeah,
Rich (06:20):
Sad
Pat (06:20):
I, I mentioned for,
Rich (06:22):
great
Pat (06:22):
yeah, I mentioned, uh, well, you know, you, that's one
of the things that was so coolabout these guys that came from,
that came from England and hadsuch an impact.
You mentioned those guys.
You had guys like Ozzy and, and,and they came from these, you
know, like Birmingham.
Of course, we've heard ofBirmingham.
We, we have Birmingham andAlabama.
We stole all the English names,every English every, I lived in
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Bridgewater, New Jersey, youknow, we, New Jersey by the way.
We just started, you know, the,uh, in Somerset County by the
way.
You know, there's a SomersetCounty.
Yeah.
We, we, we, we hack, we, we hackall the Bri actually,'cause it
was the British doing all thenaming until we decided, hey,
we, you know, we, we've, we'vepretty much got this, uh, but
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we're not paying any moneyanymore.
Um, but to think of those guys,you know, they were just guys in
going to London or whatever,playing the van, going up and
down, what do they call it?
The M five, the main highway.
Rich (07:22):
It would've been the M five.
Yeah.
M five or M 40.
Yeah.
I mean, we
Pat (07:27):
Yeah.
Rich (07:28):
different ones like lot your interstates, But, Yeah,
they would've, yeah, theywould've toured all
Pat (07:33):
but to make such an incredible impact, uh, you know,
you know, they're playing60,000, 70,000.
I mean, they have these, theseyoung guys that they all kind
of, uh, they all kind of kneweach other.
And, uh, uh, before I get onwhat I was gonna talk about, you
know, that's one of the thingsthat.
That Mississippi here has incommon with, with, uh, with the
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English, with, um, its musicbecause we call ourselves in
Mississippi the birthplace ofmusic in America.
Now people will dispute that,but it's on the sign when you
enter the state, so it must betrue.
And, and we started with, uh,probably on the internet too,
Rich (08:16):
probably,
Pat (08:17):
country music, um.
We had people, Jimmy Rogers,
Rich (08:21):
we have some,
Pat (08:22):
Pride.
Uh, so a lot of, so countrymusic actually kind of, uh, uh,
uh, got a lot of its base inMississippi and, you know, uh,
Rich (08:31):
you
Pat (08:31):
uh did you ever have an Irish country music, country
western, uh, partnership calledLogan McCool?
Rich (08:42):
Rings a bell, but that's
Pat (08:44):
Kind.
Rich (08:44):
it.
Pat (08:44):
I, I say that'cause I've noticed that we, we have, we, we
have some listeners from, fromIreland and, um, could be my,
some of my people that, thatstayed there when we ran out of
potatoes.
But there was a country western,uh, group called Logan McCool
and Pat McCool was the, um,
Rich (09:05):
the,
Pat (09:06):
was in a wheelchair and lo was blind.
Rich (09:09):
and Low
Pat (09:10):
But they were really good.
If you ever Google them andlisten to when the Cowboy rides
away,
Rich (09:15):
the
Pat (09:15):
it, you know, it was my wife's favorite country song.
But, but these one, one wasblind, one was in a wheelchair
and there was, there were thesebig country western singers in,
in Ireland and Pat McCool died.
Rich (09:27):
Pat
Pat (09:28):
Seven or eight years ago and my wife started getting all
of these condolences.
There were condolences onFacebook.
People contact, I'm so sorry.
Sorry to hear about Pat.
She's freaking out.
You know what's happening.
'cause I was off on the, out onthe road, you know, doing
comedy.
She thinks I'm dead.
Well we found out this guy diedover in, in, uh, over in Ireland
named Pat McCool.
(09:49):
So obviously you've never,obviously they weren't that big
over in, over in England.
Rich (09:56):
I may have just missed it, pat.
You know, I, I was, you know, Iwas taking a lot, taking a lot
of drugs, taking a lot of drugsfor a long time.
There's, there's a period fromabout 98 through to about 2010
where like, it, it, there weremany cultural phenomenon that I
missed, put it that way.
Do you know what I mean?
So if it, if, if it, if ithappened in that period, there's
(10:18):
no guarantee
Pat (10:19):
be about, that'd be about 70, 75 and 80 for me.
But, but, but, but back to the,to the, the, the musical
influence.
So music, you know, it, itstarts in the Delta.
The, uh, these poor black guys,the Blues, the Howling Wolf,
Robert Johnson, they, they, theblues are all coming out of the
Mississippi Delta.
Um.
Which is about three hours northof me.
(10:41):
I've actually never been intothe Delta.
I've, I've, I've driven past it.
But, so this view Blues musicwas coming out of there, and it
wasn't, not a lot of people knewabout it, but the records were
being made.
You know, this is, as the, asthe, you know, music was kind of
growing a little bit, and thenthe Beatles come along and, you
know, and then the whole Britishinvasion starts.
(11:01):
Well, when you talk to most ofthose guys.
They will say that their biggestinfluence were the blues
musicians, were the BB Kingsand, and the Howling Wolfs and
the Robert Johnsons, the guysthat came out of that, came out
of the Delta.
So it starts in these poorlittle juke joints up in, up in
the Delta.
I.
The British start picking up onit, start hearing it, and then
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they take the blues and turn itinto the big popular rock and
roll.
Which also,'cause some peoplesaid, well, you, you kinda came
in and, and, and took from them.
But that in turn caused theseguys to get more famous because,
you know, they would give creditto, to the BBB Kings and the
people like that.
So there was kind of a symbioticrelationship between
Mississippi.
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It going over to England, andthen they turn around and bring
it back over here, which startedthe whole music revolution that
we have today, which, uh.
Which Ozzy was part of, and, andI bring him up for a couple
reasons.
He, you know, he has asentimental place in my heart.
One, one of the first albums Iever had was Black Sabbath
paranoia.
I actually, I stole it, uh, frommy British friends.
(12:07):
I nicked it from, uh, did I getthat right?
I, I nicked it from a Eckerd'sdrug store, and, and it would
come in, it would come inalbums.
So me and my friend would get inand one of us would pick it up
and move towards the front, andthe other one would keep moving
to the other, grabbed it andwalk and went out the door with
it.
But, uh, black Sabbath paranoidwas, was one of my first albums.
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And then, as I've told youbefore, I played Ozzy on a, um,
on the biography channel, oncelebrity ghost stories.
On the, uh, Jack Osborneedition, and I actually looked
just like him.
I, as I told you, they dyed myhair solid black and,
Rich (12:44):
solid
Pat (12:44):
uh, told me it'd wash out in a couple of weeks, but, uh,
it didn't.
I walked around New York for,you know, seven or eight months
looking like the creepy old guyat the concert, you know,
Rich (12:54):
guy.
Pat (12:54):
but, uh, but, but I had the, I had the Oz look, but,
Rich (12:57):
had, I had
Pat (12:58):
uh, one of the reasons I bring him up, yeah, it, it was a
big D
Rich (13:00):
him up.
Pat (13:01):
he had no idea the impact that he made, but.
Rich (13:04):
he
Pat (13:04):
When Ozzy passed, and I don't know if you know, as, I
don't know how you
Rich (13:08):
know.
Pat (13:08):
think, you know, as a believer, but many of us
Christians a lot, the, the firstthing we think about when
someone like that passes,
Rich (13:16):
someone,
Pat (13:17):
did they know Jesus does?
I don't know if that pops intoyour head, but let me tell you a
a an interesting thing that mywife, uh, showed me.
'cause after he passed, shesaid, you know, um.
Rich (13:29):
know
Pat (13:30):
I've been praying for Ozzy,
Rich (13:31):
I've
Pat (13:32):
my wife does.
She has this, she has thisprayer lift and it, it impacts a
lot of people.
My wife gets things where she'llwake up and say, I.
Um, I, I, I felt this urge topray for so and so, and it'll
happen for two or three days.
Then she'll find out somethingwas going on in this person's
life.
(13:53):
That was, you know, that wasreally, you know, it, it's
spooky how it happens.
She's not just kind of makingthis up.
She said, you know, I've beenpraying for Ozzy for a long
time, and then she showed methis guy, and his name is Dylan
Novak.
And he goes by, uh.
Celebrity evangelist.
I think on Instagram.
I don't do a lot of Instagram,but he interviewed Ozzy, I don't
(14:19):
know how long ago, year, twoyears ago, and he said that Ozzy
at the time said he mainlyidentified himself as a
Christian, and he asked him, didhe read the Bible?
And he said, well, I try, but Ican't understand it.
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And he said, well, I, I, uh, he,he somehow translated a bible
for him.
And Ozzy read it, said, yeah, Iread it.
I can, you know, I, yeah, I canread it.
I can under, I can understandthis.
And, and after the first.
Episode that guy did.
After interviewing Ozzy andsaying Ozzy had claimed to be a,
(15:00):
you know, Ozzy said he mainlyidentified as a Christian.
He, he asked, everybody said, Iwant everybody to pray for him
and his family.
Now, five or six years ago,they, you know, they had that
show where they were, Jack woulddo the ghost, not the, not the
TV show that I was in, but theone, they would sit there and
they would rate, you know,whether they think this is real
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or whatever, and they.
I asked them this, on a scale ofone to 10, who, who do we think
would be more likely to believein God?
You know, and I think Ozzy saidhe was a six or a seven or
whatever.
So at, at the time, I, I, youknow, I don't think he was, but
this guy said at that time, hesaid, I mainly identify.
Myself as a Christian and thatguy asked all these people to
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pray, well, he said he got24,000 likes on that particular
interview.
Well, a lot of times whenpeople, you know, they're liking
it doesn't mean they're allpraying for'em, but a lot of the
people that would be liking thatpost means they're doing that.
So thousands of people.
Praying for Ozzy in his finalyears of his life.
(16:05):
I'm convinced that he knew Jesusby the time he died because this
guy came back out and hadanother interview, uh, with him
and it was about the Bible andwhere he translated read the
Bible and it was very important.
He said it was very important tohim, and he ran into his son
Jack.
At, at some convention and Jackcame up to him to tell him how
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important that Bible was to him.
So I think, uh, there might be alesson there to folks.
It's never too late.
I know people think that Ozzie,go ahead.
Rich (16:42):
Thank you.
But it's like, it's never toolate, is it?
You know, you look at the, youknow, the guy on the cross next
to Jesus, you know, like in, youknow, with his last breath, you
know what I mean?
He, he, he believed with hislast breath, you know, and it,
I, I think that's, that's thewonderful, like, the amazing
thing about Grace, you know,it's like, it's, it's never too
late, you know?
And, um, you know, and my, mydad, um, my dad on Jesus in the
(17:04):
last
Pat (17:05):
Right.
Rich (17:06):
Um, and, um.
You know, we were all by hislike, deathbed and like a priest
turned up, you know, And, it waslike, was like the priest we
didn't know.
'cause that was my dad.
He's very kind ofcompartmentalized kind of guy.
But yeah, like this priestturned up and, he, you know,
he'd come to know him at, at theend of his life.
and um, I, I just think, youknow that.
In a way that sums up grace,doesn't it?
(17:28):
You know, that the, you know,the, you know, if the criminal
on the cross next to Jesus withhis last breath, you know, could
confess that like, yeah, you,you are, you are the king of
kings.
You know, the son of, you know,the son of God made man.
You know, there's, uh, there'shope for all of us, right?
There's hope for everyone.
So yeah, I really hope that, Ireally hope that he did.
And you know, of course, like,you know what Zy represented and
(17:52):
kind of.
You know, it was, know, it wasthe opposite of the like strong
like OC cult references andstuff like that, you know?
But then we, you know, but tohear that that's where he went
at the end of his life is like,it's beautiful, man.
You know?
It's beautiful.
Pat (18:06):
And, and, and some of that, those guys, when they're young,
they're just rock and rollerstrying to have success and make,
and make money.
Ozzy, throughout the years they.
Ask him about the devil worship.
He said, I just wanna makemusic.
Um, when they had, you know,they all wore these crosses and
people, people, uh, misconstruethat they, they, they think
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they're just wearing thesecrosses to mock.
And he said no.
In an earlier interview, hesaid, what, what that was, was
one of our, one of our bandmates mothers was a devout, you
know, Christian, I don't know ifshe's Catholic.
What?
But she said.
When the guy was gonna go outand they were starting the band
and they were going off, she,you know, she didn't really want
him to do it, but she said,well, look, take this cross.
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And she said, wear this aroundyour neck.
And she said, and if you alwayswear this, everything will work
out.
And he said, and the rest of'emwere like, yeah, okay, well,
we'll do, we'll do it too.
They were trying to mockanything.
They just wore the crosses.
And they said what happened on,on their, they had an album
where there was a cross upsidedown.
On the album cover, so peoplethink certainly this is what
they're mocking.
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He said, no, we didn't.
We were, we were very upsetabout that.
He said, the guy at a recordcompany, we didn't know anything
about that.
The album comes out and there itis.
And the guy that, that bandmember was very upset, his
mother was very upset.
And he said, but no, it wasnever about that.
We were just making, you know,even, I mean, even though they
did have references in their,in, in their, you know, in their
music.
But, um, you know, in talkingabout Ozzy, 70 something years
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old, but you and I.
Both.
I'm the least likely guy aftermy teenage years, uh, to become
a follower of Jesus, you're thesame way.
And it's one of the reasons whywe're doing this, but just
wanted to share that to people.
If the celebrity evangelist, theguy's named Dylan Novak, if they
wanna go watch those two, thosetwo interviews, uh, seemed very
sincere.
(19:53):
And, and I have, I am prettyconvinced that the Prince of
Darkness is now with the Princeof Peace.
And so if he.
Rich (20:03):
Wonderful man.
Yeah.
Well there's like, um, the, I'mrereading a book I've mentioned
to you before called the RaggaMA and Gospel and, um, there's
a, there's a quote in it andI've looked it up.
It's like an unattributed quote.
There's some ideas about whereit might come from, but it says,
you know, the church is ahospital for sinners, not a
museum for saints.
(20:23):
You know, and it's like, youknow, like that I, I, I often
think this, you know, it's likeif Jesus came today, like
Pat (20:29):
Yeah.
Rich (20:29):
he be sitting breaking bed with people probably in a crack
house, you know?
'cause those really, you know,he sat with tax collectors and,
you know, you know, like le youknow, he, he touched lepers, you
know, like, and you know, theequivalent today is like a crack
addict, you know, like a, youknow, a prostitute, you know, a
street prostitute.
You know, those that are kindof, you know.
The woman at the, well, youknow, like married five times,
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living with a husband, livingwith a man that wasn't her
husband.
You know, like we would, thatwould raise eyebrows today, but
in like scenario in like, youknow, like 32 ad or whatever it
was, you know, like that it'sreally something, you know, so
it's like Yeah.
it's the, it's exactly, that'sexactly, you know, the, he comes
for the,
Pat (21:11):
Yes.
Rich (21:11):
and the
Pat (21:12):
Well, he goes, yeah.
Rich (21:13):
the so-called already righteous.
Pat (21:15):
He's, he's, he's come for the, come for the lost sheet.
And that's, uh, people just needto realize that there's so many
people that have people in theirlives that they think that may
be too far gone.
Never stop praying.
Um, the guy talking about allthose people praying about Ozzy.
I'm telling you that stuff thatI'm telling you, it has an
effect.
I mentioned in my book, I don't,you probably don't recall, but
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the day that I was walking, I'dbeen out drinking my car, ran
outta gas, I'm walking in therain home.
And I encounter a guy standingby a car by the road.
And this was back in the middleof my, all of my, you know,
everything that I was doing andat, at the, you know, I was in
the despair and the, and thedrugs and the crime.
(21:57):
And I walked by the guy andsaid, Hey, how are you doing?
And, you know, we talked for asecond and he asked me, but now
I said, pat McCool.
He said, I've heard of you.
He said, we've been praying foryou.
And this was just, this was astudent at USM'cause it was over
by the, it was over by what?
I was coming from a party off,off the campus.
And um, and I went and thesepeople knew who I was.
(22:19):
I stuck my head in there and itwas.
That's Pat.
Oh, that's Pat.
Hey, you know, I mean, I'd been,I'd been drinking.
I didn't stay long or anything,but that never left me, somebody
was praying for me.
So if, if you've got people outthere that you know, or people
in your life, pray for them.
If you, the people that my wifeprays for, blows my mind.
I'm, I, I, you know, she startsmentioning, I'm like, I don't,
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gosh, I, I don't even like thatperson.
She says, yeah, I know.
That's why, you know, that's whyI'm praying for him.
But it's, it's powerful.
And I think that had an impacton Ozzie's life.
I know it had an impact on mylife.
Probably had an impact on yours.
You probably had people alongthe way and it's impacted all of
her lives.
So, so, so, never ever give up.
And speaking of never giving up,that's kind of, uh, something
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where you were today.
You were supposed to speak at aprison today, and you're gonna
do that at a later date.
Did you say?
Rich (23:12):
No, it was, so there was a complication unfortunately, so I
was asked to go and speakalongside a pastor friend of
mine at, um, a recovery, uh,like speaker event.
Unfortunately, my details didn'tmake it to the prison governor.
The prison, I dunno, I think youhad the same time over there,
the prison governor.
Pat (23:29):
wait a second.
I don't wanna, I don't wannainterrupt you.
Could you clear up at one point,I mean, clear up once and for
all.
What does governor mean?
I watch all these British show,British shows and it's, Hey,
gov.
What's up?
Gov?
What a governor.
Rich (23:41):
Uh, well, that's, that's.
That's the colloquial, like,that's like alright, gov.
Like it's just a way of like,it's like saying, alright boss,
or, or like, it is like a, it'sjust a kind of slang greeting,
you know, like that you mightsay to someone that was in some
position of authority.
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potentially, you know, um, it'squite old fashioned, but, um,
but yeah, in this instance,this, this would not be the
slang term, this would be theprison governor.
who, which, so, and like my,basically my, my me and my, my,
my details didn't get cleared intime for me to enter the prison,
unfortunately.
But, uh, over the weekend I, um,was lucky enough to go to, uh, a
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conference, a Believers inRecovery conference.
Um.
Which is Believers in Recoveryis.
fan, like an amazing recoveryfocused ministry kind of sits
between like 12 step meetings inthe church.
You know, the idea of it islike, the mission statement is
it's for people that don't getenough recovery in the church,
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but don't get enough in their 12step groups.
You know?
So it kind of sits in the middleand that's where I, you know, I
came to faith by attendingbelievers in recovery, uh,
meetings, you know, so that ithas a huge.
Like placing my heart.
I'm very grateful to believeit's in recovery.
So we went there.
My, you know, my other half andI went there.
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It was actually in my oldhometown part.
So like your, your Hattiesburg.
Yeah.
But to see Southland Sea.
So actually where thisconference was.
I was stabbed about threequarters of a mile in that
direction.
I used to smoke crack in a houseabout 500 yards away.
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Um, there was a gas station justalong the road from where I was,
where I used to steal food.
I got chased outta there by thesecurity guards.
Like I remember I threw a, achicken mayo sandwich at the, at
the security guard as so I wasrunning.
So yeah, going back there kindof 13 years clean, um, to
worship and learn.
Pat (25:48):
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to re interrupt.
That's where you were havingthis meeting was in that
Rich (25:53):
Yeah.
Pat (25:53):
by where all this went on.
Well, so go on that.
That's fascinating.
Rich (25:59):
Yeah, so it was great, man.
And like, you know, like I'vegot, you know, a lot of friends,
a lot of new people there, a lotof people gave their life to
Jesus during the worship there.
Like there was this kind ofmoment where the spirit moved
and of the pastors just got upon the stage and spontaneously
called, you know, did like theauto call and about probably
about 12, maybe 15 kind of new,uh, new people.
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Um, but I think, uh, I've gotthe impression that just.
We were in the recoverycommunity in that town, but had
just come along to have a lookat Believers in Recovery just
because it was a recovery eventthat happened to be on there.
Yeah.
And they came forward like this,like these two rows of people
just responded to the auto callspontaneously, just went to the
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front and they gave their lifeto Jesus.
And very powerful, very, verypowerful.
So for me, you know, a fantasticweekend, you know, obviously
nothing better than seeing, thanseeing the spirit move in that
way and touch people.
Um.
Some great, some great speakers.
Um, you know, it was, you know,they're fantastic, really, you
know, really fantastic and, andobviously, and very powerful for
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me being back in that exactarea, know, as a Christian, 13
years clean, you know, with alife that's like, you know,
literally, literallytransformed, um, from what it
was.
Yeah.
Pat (27:15):
How did you, how did you get back to that, that, that
town, I mean, do you go toservices there or is it just a
recovery meeting that youdecided to go to?
I, I mean, back, back in SouthEnd by the, by the sea.
Because you're living in Oxford,would you, were you in London
over the weekend?
Rich (27:35):
Oh
Pat (27:35):
I was.
Rich (27:35):
I traveled from London to, um, to South End.
We had some accommodation.
We got some accommodation downthere.
Um, and just, yeah.
And then went to the event onSaturday.
It was.
I spent Friday, showing my, mypartner, some of my old haunts,
some of the, some of the, um,glamorous locations where I used
to, used to hang out, you know,like, uh, I think, I think you'd
(27:58):
probably call them dive bars.
Pat (28:00):
Say it again.
Rich (28:01):
yeah.
Like a dive
Pat (28:03):
Oh, yeah,
Rich (28:04):
call them
Pat (28:04):
yeah, yeah.
Dive bar for sure.
Rich (28:07):
like ropey, ropey pubs basically.
And, um, yeah, just a lot ofplace, you know, a lot of places
where a lot of, a lot of, uh,difficult stuff happened.
Went to see my mom's grave, um,went and visit my brother and
went to this recoveryconference.
So, uh, yeah, big, big weekendin a lot of ways.
Pat, you know, a big weekend andlike lots of, like some, you
(28:28):
know, the.
Of the teaching focused on.
Like, basically like living outGod's purpose.
You know?
Like it's not about, it's notabout me, it's not about us,
it's not about you, you know?
It's about align, you know,being willing, you know, like
how far are you willing to gofor, for him, you know, like how
much of your life is about yourown?
(28:50):
You know, more speak for me,like my own and designs and what
I think I need and how muchmoney I need to make and what
car I should be driving.
And, and you know, how, how ableare we am I like actually to
just to get out the way andlisten, you know, be willing to,
you know.
Like to listen to what thespirit is prompting me to do,
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you know?
And, um, yeah, it's very, like,I find, you know, getting those
kind of reminders is, you know,is, is always, you know, always
a good thing.
Of course.
And there was some, of speakersfrom Brooklyn, um, I just
another shout out to, there's,uh, an organization in Brooklyn
that started in Brooklyn calledThe Recovery House of Worship,
which is an American recoveryministry.
(29:34):
Um, They.
have online meetings every week.
If you, uh, Google.
R how?
RHOW, um, Staten Island now.
That'll bring up their website.
They have Zoom services andspeak, uh, speakers and
teachings and stuff.
Um, so a couple of pastors fromthere.
Pastor Raymond Ramo, so PastorAnthony Edwin, I think.
(29:54):
Um, yeah.
Fantastic man.
Fantastic event.
Pat (29:57):
They They came all the way from Brooklyn to have the event.
So again, it wasn't just aservice, this was a whole
recovery event that peopleattended.
Rich (30:08):
Oh yeah, it was a whole day.
It was like Fri, well, it wasFriday night.
I didn't go on the Friday night.
Friday night worship, onespeaker opening prayers, bit of
fellowship time, all that kindof thing.
And then on Saturday it was likedoors open at night, speaker
finished at 6:00 PM You know,full day food teachings, worship
prayer.
(30:29):
You know, fellowship time, it'sgreat, man.
You know what I mean?
And in fact, some of the guys,they got, they, they, they felt
prompted during the service thatactually when the service, or
during the, the course of theday that when, when it finished,
they, they went into one of thelocal, uh, we call it, states,
you would call it housingprojects.
Yeah.
So they went into one of thelocal housing projects to, to
(30:50):
preach and to, you know, try andkind of spread the gospel.
So they're very powerful, man.
Very, very powerful, Dave.
Very.
Pat (30:57):
Name of the, the name of, of this, these people out of
the, the outfit out Brooklynagain, that, how do they find
it?
Rich (31:05):
Oh, so you got past go.
Pat (31:09):
No, go ahead.
You said how they can find it,how people can find it online,
people that might be interested.
Rich (31:15):
so yeah, so, so if you put into Google Recovery, house of
Worship, or R how RHOW.
Um, Staten Island, then thatwill bring up the Recovery House
of Worship website.
And then on there has got theirti, you know, their timetable,
(31:35):
their, you know, their Zoomcodes to get'em into their
meetings and stuff like that.
So, um, yeah, that highly reckonI've learned a lot.
You know, I've, that've done abit, quite a lot.
I've attended quite a lot oftheir teachings and stuff and,
um, it's very power, you know,great vessels.
There basically great vessels,man.
Pat (31:53):
That's fantastic.
So you're saying this, theythey, they're kind of a cross
between the 12 step program andthe cross and, and, and, you
know, and what's teaching in achurch, but they obviously led
these people to salvation.
Rich (32:10):
Yeah.
So it bridges the gap.
That's what it does.
It bridges the gap.
'cause there can be a gap now.
12 step groups can be verysecular.
Yeah.
These days And um, to courses.
Interesting.
Given the roots of the program.
But they can be, can be verysecular.
Um.
So being a Christian in a 12step group, it's different.
(32:31):
I mean, obviously as you know,I've spent time in, in
Mississippi, I've spent time inyour hometown and actually AA
meetings that I attended thereuh, much more openly Christian
you would ever see in the uk.
So, uh, but then in, in other 12step groups, you know, the
fellowship that I attend, Iwon't name'cause of anonymity
(32:51):
and traditions and stuff, but,um, uh.
There that's tends to be very,very secular.
So if you are a Christian, ifyou come to faith through
working the 12 steps, which manyof us do, it's helpful to be
able to kind of go somewhereelse to get fed spiritually, and
of course to serve, you know, toput back into, to, you know, to,
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to serve, um, where like.
You know, you are getting taughtabout Jesus and, and with other
people, you know, with spendingtime with other Christians.
But where there is anunderstanding of what recovery
is, because sometimes thereisn't, sometimes that can be
lacking the church is the, isthe truth, you know?
And, and, and that, that cancause problems sometimes, you
know,'cause people, you know,there is a point of view that,
(33:39):
you know, like, it's like theword addict doesn't appear in
the Bible, you know?
So it's like, well people.
Still referring.
So I would go to a meeting andsay, man is rich.
I'm an addict.
You know, from a, from a,there's a theological
perspective that would then say,well, you're not an addict.
You're a new creation.
You've been washed clean, so youneed to let go of that identity.
Right?
(33:59):
But what can happen sometimes ispeople let go of that identity
and they, they lose touch withthe fact that addiction is.
A lifelong condition that youhave to maintain vigilance
around to, you know, to avoidreturning to, you know, and,
and, and that those peoplesometimes I've seen, you know,
I've seen that happen a numberof times, but you know, someone
very close to me, you know, gotthree years clean.
(34:21):
Um, bought into, bought intothose ideas, um, decided that
they could, you know, drinksocially.
You know, and ended up in a, a,I think a two year, uh, a two
year relapse in onto cocaine andalcohol and, and kind of made it
back by the skin of her teeth.
So, yeah, so that's why Recco,that's my take.
(34:43):
You know, other, I'm sure otherpeople, you know, will have
other perspectives on it, butthat is certainly my perspective
on the importance of recoveryMinistries, why they're, they're
an important thing.
Pat (34:52):
Well, I mean, that's part of your occupation as an
addiction specialist, so you seeit every single day.
People that don't deal withpeople that are actual addicts,
it's, it's easy to form anopinion when you're not.
You know, when you're notactually seeing it and dealing
with it and, and, and, andliving with it.
And as I told you, mine was moreof an emotional type thing, but
I know people that were justphysic.
(35:12):
I, I know people 10 years, 15years, everything's going fine
all of a sudden one night.
Binge and they've thrown, youknow, there, there goes the
family, the wife, this or, and,and, and you know, everything
that they had built and thatthey had worked up.
So I, I certainly see whatyou're saying.
(35:32):
So it sounds like a great, greatorganization.
And they came over and heldthat, and then they did an alter
call at the end and they had anumber of people find salvation
or answer the, the altar call.
Rich (35:45):
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
And just to be really clear,plat, so Believers In Recovery
is a UK based recovery ministry,but it has links to these guys
outta Brooklyn.
So these guys outta Brooklyncame to speak
Pat (35:58):
At,
Rich (35:58):
Believers in
Pat (35:59):
at Believers in Recovery.
And they knew the, they knew thePastor Ramos the one that you
know from Brooklyn and they'rekind of part of the same.
So they, they, they came over.
So, um.
They preach the gospel and yousaid a couple of whole rows of
people.
Rich (36:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like these two rows of peoplejust kind of got up and, you
know, just went straight to thefront, responded to the auto
call, which is, you know,obviously kind of an amazing
thing really to see.
And, um, yeah, special, veryspecial.
Pat (36:34):
Well, that's fantastic.
Yeah.
You, you, you, you did mentionit's the, the AA meetings over
here.
You say were, were leaned morewith, with preaching, re leaned
more spiritual talking aboutJesus.
In the, the AA meetings that youwere in, in Mississippi, did you
say you attended some here?
Rich (36:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I did, yeah, I did a lot ofmeetings over there and, um,
yeah, like much more, you know,we'll often kind of close with
the Lord's Prayer.
Um, we'll, I, I, you know, we'lltalk about you, you know.
That they're happy for peopleto, um, you know, talk about
(37:11):
scripture, Bible verses andstuff during the course of the
meeting, all that kind of stuff.
And definitely much more open.
But of course you are in theBible belt, right?
I mean, you are, like, when Iwas in Mississippi, like you'd
drive past a church, then therewas another church in the corner
and there was a church oppositethat.
And then just down the road wasa church, know, like all
different shapes.
And some of the churches, pat,they were like small towns, you
(37:31):
know, like,
Pat (37:32):
Well that's, that's why I teed that up.
That's what we were gonna talkabout next time.
We're going to talk about the,the, the differences between,
um, church in England and churchin America and church in, in the
south.
And because I've been up north,and then there's a lot of
differences, a lot of humorousdifferences, uh, and what it was
like for me and Rich when wefirst started walking up in a,
(37:53):
in a church.
But, but there are quite, uh.
Quite the differences betweenEngland and there's a lot going
on, uh, in England.
I understand that there's a bitof a rev revival, a bit of a
resurgence going on in, inEngland, which is amazing
because some of the roots, uh,of, uh, of the powerful people,
you know, the Bible wastranslated in England because of
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England, and there's a, there'sa lot there.
And that's, that's, uh, what wewere going to, uh, discuss
today.
But.
We had a couple other things totalk about, and we're gonna,
we're gonna have to leave itright here and, uh, but next
time join us where we do talkabout the differences between
the church in England and thechurch in America.
And as you said, we, we haveone.
(38:37):
That's how you get directions inAmerica.
Uh, you, you, you go two milesto the Baptist church and you
take a right and go anothermile.
To the Methodist church, andthen you go over here to the pa
and then you take one there, andthen you, and then the one I
love, the people in the southwill give you, they'll be like,
go five miles down the road andtake a left where the old church
(38:58):
used to be.
Okay.
It's a field now, but we got we,we got you.
So, uh,
Rich (39:06):
Yeah.
Pat (39:06):
well anyway, rich, well it's good to see you, man.
I'm glad you have a goodweekend.
Are, are you gonna go back tothe prison ministry?
Are they gonna reschedule that?
Rich (39:14):
Well that?
event happened today, but I'm,um, I occasionally go and speak
in prisons.
Pat (39:19):
I did not know that.
Rich (39:20):
speak at one next month.
I.
Pat (39:22):
I.
Rich (39:22):
Yeah.
occasion, get asked to speak inprison.
So I've been in maybe 10different English jails
speaking.
But, um, yeah, I.
think there's, there's another,there's another one coming.
I just need to see if it canwork date wise.
But I'll, I'll definitely keepyou and on all our listeners
Pat (39:39):
I never knew about that.
You see, again, that's somethingwe have in common.
You've been in nine or 10, uh,English jail speaking.
When I was a teenager, I was innine or 10 American jails.
I was speaking, when's my dadgonna come?
Get me outta here.
So, so, so we both had visits tothe jail.
(40:01):
We were just doing two differentthings, but fortunately,
fortunately, I was able to leavethat
Rich (40:06):
Ends of
Pat (40:07):
different, different, different ends of the pro of the
process.
But, um, anyway, uh, have agood, rich, and let's, uh, talk
to you next week.
Rich (40:18):
Lovely,
Pat (40:19):
Alright, love you man.
Take care.
Rich (40:22):
Bye.
You too.
Good morning, rich.
How you doing, buddy?
Rich (00:25):
Good morning, pat.
I'm all right.
Good afternoon, pat.
Yeah.
yeah, it's little bit later inthe day here, but yeah, I'm
doing all right, mate.
How about you?
Pat (00:33):
Uh, I'm doing good.
I'm, I'm suffering in the heat.
We, we've reached the time ofyear where it is just
insufferable, you know, we, welike the heat and the summer we,
we boat, you know, I live on alake and, but when you get to
the end of July, uh.
Hundred five degrees.
There's a heat dome outside.
That's, um, that would be, thatwould be Fahrenheit here, I
(00:57):
guess.
Y'all use Celsius for my, formy, my British buddies.
Rich (01:00):
I'm just, I'm gonna look that up.
Let me gimme one sec.
So 105 degrees.
Barren height incel seas is,
Pat (01:17):
Yeah.
Rich (01:18):
40.
Dig?
Yeah.
That's
Pat (01:19):
We should be.
Rich (01:20):
hot.
And you got it.
You got that humidity
Pat (01:22):
Yeah, we got like 85.
Yeah.
My, my dogs don't even wannawalk.
I'm like, I opened the door thismorning and the dog I haven
looked up and he's like, no bro,I'm not doing this.
He's like, I want you to go downthere.
Use the bathroom on the thirdmailbox on the left.
I want jump to the bark at theready spaniel two houses down
and harass the guy in the bluetruck if he comes by.
(01:42):
But I'm not going to do thatthis morning.
Just hanging here.
Because it's, uh, yeah.
Well, so I just wanted ourBritish friends to know we
weren't dead.
If so, what, what, what wouldthat be?
Celsius.
Rich (01:55):
That's 40 degrees Celsius.
so that is the record we hadover here was 41.9.
In London a few years ago.
So that was, um, and that, Imean, in, in London, that was,
that was really quite somethingthat was very, very unpleasant.
But yeah, that's, that's hot.
And we don't have the air conover here, pat, we don't like,
that's like, it's very, very,very rare that anyone would have
(02:18):
air con in the house, you know?
Whereas you guys, it's like.
We'll have it in the car, butlike in, in a domestic home, we
don't have it an office block.
They might have it, you know,or, or like, you know, a
restaurant might have it, butlike, at home.
No way.
So that, you know, when it'sthat hot, we, you know, we, we
(02:38):
suffer.
Um, plus we haven't reallyneeded it.
Right.
We haven't really needed ituntil quite recently, you know,
like as everything kind of heatsup.
Um, yeah, we haven't needed itso much
Pat (02:50):
Well, we didn't have it here for a long time, and if you
ever talk to, you know, you goto older people, like you go to
your grandparents' house overhere that would be 80 something
years old and you sitting thereand they just got it toasty,
that doesn't, doesn't seem toaffect them.
Now I just, I don't, I don'tknow how people survive.
And even up north, uh, you know,I know you were, you know,
(03:11):
telling me the, the temperatureis similar, but you're more
similar, you know, New York andalong the mid the, um, Midwest
and the South, it just gets,that's why nobody lived here
till they invented airconditioning.
Everybody, that's a pretty coolplace since we can, since we can
now go inside.
But, uh, but.
Rich (03:30):
So do, do you have it in your, like, how do they put it
into a, into a trailer though?
Pat (03:38):
Let's put a block of ice in the window
Rich (03:42):
Okay.
Pat (03:43):
then we put the box fans that we, that we had at our
grandparents' house, and itjust, and it blows the, and it
just blows the ice in there.
That, that, that's how,
Rich (03:53):
Nice.
Pat (03:53):
that's how we do it actually.
That's what you had when youvisited, when I was growing up
and you visited yourgrandparents.
They, they might have, theymight not even have the ac.
You'd be sleeping in the livingroom and they'd have some one
big box fan blowing, and you'rejust in there like, for the love
of God, and I please survivedthis.
But ac without that, I don'tknow, but it's, it's, this is as
(04:15):
hot as it's been here for quitesome, you know, it's always been
that way, but it's just peoplearen't used to it.
We used to practice football outin this stuff two days.
Uh, we had what we call Augusttwo a days, hottest time of the
year.
We'd practice one in themorning, one in the afternoon,
and the coaches thought thatthey were helping us build stama
by stamina, by depriving us ofwater.
(04:37):
We'd get one cup of water, we'dbe so thirsty, we'd have the
trainer dip a towel in a waterbucket and throw it into the
huddle so we could all suck onit to get a little moisture out.
And they, they would arrest acoach that did that today.
But that's kind,
Rich (04:53):
Yeah.
yeah.
But for sure that would be likehuman rights
Pat (04:56):
yeah.
Rich (04:57):
Like, like, and like.
Right,
Pat (05:00):
I
Rich (05:00):
right.
Pat (05:01):
think so.
Rich (05:01):
so.
Pat (05:02):
Yeah.
Not, not a lot of human rightson the, on the, uh, on the
football field.
You just came, went out thereand did and toughed it, but we,
we handled it.
But, uh, anyway, it's good tosee you and, and I think, I know
you had a, a, a great meetingthat you had had just attended.
Uh, before we get to this, uh, Iwanna mention the passing of a
great British icon.
(05:22):
Um.
In Ozzy Osbo, uh, was that kindof a big deal in Britain when
he, uh, with his passing.
Rich (05:32):
Yeah, for sure.
So Aussie was from, um, from aplace called Aston in a city
called Birmingham, which is, I,lived there for a while, like I
actually cleaned up inBirmingham.
And Aston is a, it's a troubled,very poor part of what.
Has been a troubled and quitepoor city historically.
(05:53):
And, um, yeah, I mean they didamazing.
Those guys.
They, you know, they, you know,they, they, they came from
nothing, you know, and Ozzy was,you know, I think saying
national treasure wouldn't be,wouldn't be too far off.
So, um, I know that he was quiteill for quite a long time.
He was obviously very, uh,impacted by his drug use.
Um, and, um.
(06:15):
Like, I, I think it's, it'sreally, you know, it's a sad,
sad moment,
Pat (06:19):
Yeah,
Rich (06:20):
Sad
Pat (06:20):
I, I mentioned for,
Rich (06:22):
great
Pat (06:22):
yeah, I mentioned, uh, well, you know, you, that's one
of the things that was so coolabout these guys that came from,
that came from England and hadsuch an impact.
You mentioned those guys.
You had guys like Ozzy and, and,and they came from these, you
know, like Birmingham.
Of course, we've heard ofBirmingham.
We, we have Birmingham andAlabama.
We stole all the English names,every English every, I lived in
(06:47):
Bridgewater, New Jersey, youknow, we, New Jersey by the way.
We just started, you know, the,uh, in Somerset County by the
way.
You know, there's a SomersetCounty.
Yeah.
We, we, we, we hack, we, we hackall the Bri actually,'cause it
was the British doing all thenaming until we decided, hey,
we, you know, we, we've, we'vepretty much got this, uh, but
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we're not paying any moneyanymore.
Um, but to think of those guys,you know, they were just guys in
going to London or whatever,playing the van, going up and
down, what do they call it?
The M five, the main highway.
Rich (07:22):
It would've been the M five.
Yeah.
M five or M 40.
Yeah.
I mean, we
Pat (07:27):
Yeah.
Rich (07:28):
different ones like lot your interstates, But, Yeah,
they would've, yeah, theywould've toured all
Pat (07:33):
but to make such an incredible impact, uh, you know,
you know, they're playing60,000, 70,000.
I mean, they have these, theseyoung guys that they all kind
of, uh, they all kind of kneweach other.
And, uh, uh, before I get onwhat I was gonna talk about, you
know, that's one of the thingsthat.
That Mississippi here has incommon with, with, uh, with the
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English, with, um, its musicbecause we call ourselves in
Mississippi the birthplace ofmusic in America.
Now people will dispute that,but it's on the sign when you
enter the state, so it must betrue.
And, and we started with, uh,probably on the internet too,
Rich (08:16):
probably,
Pat (08:17):
country music, um.
We had people, Jimmy Rogers,
Rich (08:21):
we have some,
Pat (08:22):
Pride.
Uh, so a lot of, so countrymusic actually kind of, uh, uh,
uh, got a lot of its base inMississippi and, you know, uh,
Rich (08:31):
you
Pat (08:31):
uh did you ever have an Irish country music, country
western, uh, partnership calledLogan McCool?
Rich (08:42):
Rings a bell, but that's
Pat (08:44):
Kind.
Rich (08:44):
it.
Pat (08:44):
I, I say that'cause I've noticed that we, we have, we, we
have some listeners from, fromIreland and, um, could be my,
some of my people that, thatstayed there when we ran out of
potatoes.
But there was a country western,uh, group called Logan McCool
and Pat McCool was the, um,
Rich (09:05):
the,
Pat (09:06):
was in a wheelchair and lo was blind.
Rich (09:09):
and Low
Pat (09:10):
But they were really good.
If you ever Google them andlisten to when the Cowboy rides
away,
Rich (09:15):
the
Pat (09:15):
it, you know, it was my wife's favorite country song.
But, but these one, one wasblind, one was in a wheelchair
and there was, there were thesebig country western singers in,
in Ireland and Pat McCool died.
Rich (09:27):
Pat
Pat (09:28):
Seven or eight years ago and my wife started getting all
of these condolences.
There were condolences onFacebook.
People contact, I'm so sorry.
Sorry to hear about Pat.
She's freaking out.
You know what's happening.
'cause I was off on the, out onthe road, you know, doing
comedy.
She thinks I'm dead.
Well we found out this guy diedover in, in, uh, over in Ireland
named Pat McCool.
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So obviously you've never,obviously they weren't that big
over in, over in England.
Rich (09:56):
I may have just missed it, pat.
You know, I, I was, you know, Iwas taking a lot, taking a lot
of drugs, taking a lot of drugsfor a long time.
There's, there's a period fromabout 98 through to about 2010
where like, it, it, there weremany cultural phenomenon that I
missed, put it that way.
Do you know what I mean?
So if it, if, if it, if ithappened in that period, there's
(10:18):
no guarantee
Pat (10:19):
be about, that'd be about 70, 75 and 80 for me.
But, but, but, but back to the,to the, the, the musical
influence.
So music, you know, it, itstarts in the Delta.
The, uh, these poor black guys,the Blues, the Howling Wolf,
Robert Johnson, they, they, theblues are all coming out of the
Mississippi Delta.
Um.
Which is about three hours northof me.
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I've actually never been intothe Delta.
I've, I've, I've driven past it.
But, so this view Blues musicwas coming out of there, and it
wasn't, not a lot of people knewabout it, but the records were
being made.
You know, this is, as the, asthe, you know, music was kind of
growing a little bit, and thenthe Beatles come along and, you
know, and then the whole Britishinvasion starts.
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Well, when you talk to most ofthose guys.
They will say that their biggestinfluence were the blues
musicians, were the BB Kingsand, and the Howling Wolfs and
the Robert Johnsons, the guysthat came out of that, came out
of the Delta.
So it starts in these poorlittle juke joints up in, up in
the Delta.
I.
The British start picking up onit, start hearing it, and then
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they take the blues and turn itinto the big popular rock and
roll.
Which also,'cause some peoplesaid, well, you, you kinda came
in and, and, and took from them.
But that in turn caused theseguys to get more famous because,
you know, they would give creditto, to the BBB Kings and the
people like that.
So there was kind of a symbioticrelationship between
Mississippi.
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It going over to England, andthen they turn around and bring
it back over here, which startedthe whole music revolution that
we have today, which, uh.
Which Ozzy was part of, and, andI bring him up for a couple
reasons.
He, you know, he has asentimental place in my heart.
One, one of the first albums Iever had was Black Sabbath
paranoia.
I actually, I stole it, uh, frommy British friends.
(12:07):
I nicked it from, uh, did I getthat right?
I, I nicked it from a Eckerd'sdrug store, and, and it would
come in, it would come inalbums.
So me and my friend would get inand one of us would pick it up
and move towards the front, andthe other one would keep moving
to the other, grabbed it andwalk and went out the door with
it.
But, uh, black Sabbath paranoidwas, was one of my first albums.
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And then, as I've told youbefore, I played Ozzy on a, um,
on the biography channel, oncelebrity ghost stories.
On the, uh, Jack Osborneedition, and I actually looked
just like him.
I, as I told you, they dyed myhair solid black and,
Rich (12:44):
solid
Pat (12:44):
uh, told me it'd wash out in a couple of weeks, but, uh,
it didn't.
I walked around New York for,you know, seven or eight months
looking like the creepy old guyat the concert, you know,
Rich (12:54):
guy.
Pat (12:54):
but, uh, but, but I had the, I had the Oz look, but,
Rich (12:57):
had, I had
Pat (12:58):
uh, one of the reasons I bring him up, yeah, it, it was a
big D
Rich (13:00):
him up.
Pat (13:01):
he had no idea the impact that he made, but.
Rich (13:04):
he
Pat (13:04):
When Ozzy passed, and I don't know if you know, as, I
don't know how you
Rich (13:08):
know.
Pat (13:08):
think, you know, as a believer, but many of us
Christians a lot, the, the firstthing we think about when
someone like that passes,
Rich (13:16):
someone,
Pat (13:17):
did they know Jesus does?
I don't know if that pops intoyour head, but let me tell you a
a an interesting thing that mywife, uh, showed me.
'cause after he passed, shesaid, you know, um.
Rich (13:29):
know
Pat (13:30):
I've been praying for Ozzy,
Rich (13:31):
I've
Pat (13:32):
my wife does.
She has this, she has thisprayer lift and it, it impacts a
lot of people.
My wife gets things where she'llwake up and say, I.
Um, I, I, I felt this urge topray for so and so, and it'll
happen for two or three days.
Then she'll find out somethingwas going on in this person's
life.
(13:53):
That was, you know, that wasreally, you know, it, it's
spooky how it happens.
She's not just kind of makingthis up.
She said, you know, I've beenpraying for Ozzy for a long
time, and then she showed methis guy, and his name is Dylan
Novak.
And he goes by, uh.
Celebrity evangelist.
I think on Instagram.
I don't do a lot of Instagram,but he interviewed Ozzy, I don't
(14:19):
know how long ago, year, twoyears ago, and he said that Ozzy
at the time said he mainlyidentified himself as a
Christian, and he asked him, didhe read the Bible?
And he said, well, I try, but Ican't understand it.
(14:40):
And he said, well, I, I, uh, he,he somehow translated a bible
for him.
And Ozzy read it, said, yeah, Iread it.
I can, you know, I, yeah, I canread it.
I can under, I can understandthis.
And, and after the first.
Episode that guy did.
After interviewing Ozzy andsaying Ozzy had claimed to be a,
(15:00):
you know, Ozzy said he mainlyidentified as a Christian.
He, he asked, everybody said, Iwant everybody to pray for him
and his family.
Now, five or six years ago,they, you know, they had that
show where they were, Jack woulddo the ghost, not the, not the
TV show that I was in, but theone, they would sit there and
they would rate, you know,whether they think this is real
(15:21):
or whatever, and they.
I asked them this, on a scale ofone to 10, who, who do we think
would be more likely to believein God?
You know, and I think Ozzy saidhe was a six or a seven or
whatever.
So at, at the time, I, I, youknow, I don't think he was, but
this guy said at that time, hesaid, I mainly identify.
Myself as a Christian and thatguy asked all these people to
(15:44):
pray, well, he said he got24,000 likes on that particular
interview.
Well, a lot of times whenpeople, you know, they're liking
it doesn't mean they're allpraying for'em, but a lot of the
people that would be liking thatpost means they're doing that.
So thousands of people.
Praying for Ozzy in his finalyears of his life.
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I'm convinced that he knew Jesusby the time he died because this
guy came back out and hadanother interview, uh, with him
and it was about the Bible andwhere he translated read the
Bible and it was very important.
He said it was very important tohim, and he ran into his son
Jack.
At, at some convention and Jackcame up to him to tell him how
(16:27):
important that Bible was to him.
So I think, uh, there might be alesson there to folks.
It's never too late.
I know people think that Ozzie,go ahead.
Rich (16:42):
Thank you.
But it's like, it's never toolate, is it?
You know, you look at the, youknow, the guy on the cross next
to Jesus, you know, like in, youknow, with his last breath, you
know what I mean?
He, he, he believed with hislast breath, you know, and it,
I, I think that's, that's thewonderful, like, the amazing
thing about Grace, you know,it's like, it's, it's never too
late, you know?
And, um, you know, and my, mydad, um, my dad on Jesus in the
(17:04):
last
Pat (17:05):
Right.
Rich (17:06):
Um, and, um.
You know, we were all by hislike, deathbed and like a priest
turned up, you know, And, it waslike, was like the priest we
didn't know.
'cause that was my dad.
He's very kind ofcompartmentalized kind of guy.
But yeah, like this priestturned up and, he, you know,
he'd come to know him at, at theend of his life.
and um, I, I just think, youknow that.
In a way that sums up grace,doesn't it?
(17:28):
You know, that the, you know,the, you know, if the criminal
on the cross next to Jesus withhis last breath, you know, could
confess that like, yeah, you,you are, you are the king of
kings.
You know, the son of, you know,the son of God made man.
You know, there's, uh, there'shope for all of us, right?
There's hope for everyone.
So yeah, I really hope that, Ireally hope that he did.
And you know, of course, like,you know what Zy represented and
(17:52):
kind of.
You know, it was, know, it wasthe opposite of the like strong
like OC cult references andstuff like that, you know?
But then we, you know, but tohear that that's where he went
at the end of his life is like,it's beautiful, man.
You know?
It's beautiful.
Pat (18:06):
And, and, and some of that, those guys, when they're young,
they're just rock and rollerstrying to have success and make,
and make money.
Ozzy, throughout the years they.
Ask him about the devil worship.
He said, I just wanna makemusic.
Um, when they had, you know,they all wore these crosses and
people, people, uh, misconstruethat they, they, they think
(18:27):
they're just wearing thesecrosses to mock.
And he said no.
In an earlier interview, hesaid, what, what that was, was
one of our, one of our bandmates mothers was a devout, you
know, Christian, I don't know ifshe's Catholic.
What?
But she said.
When the guy was gonna go outand they were starting the band
and they were going off, she,you know, she didn't really want
him to do it, but she said,well, look, take this cross.
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And she said, wear this aroundyour neck.
And she said, and if you alwayswear this, everything will work
out.
And he said, and the rest of'emwere like, yeah, okay, well,
we'll do, we'll do it too.
They were trying to mockanything.
They just wore the crosses.
And they said what happened on,on their, they had an album
where there was a cross upsidedown.
On the album cover, so peoplethink certainly this is what
they're mocking.
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He said, no, we didn't.
We were, we were very upsetabout that.
He said, the guy at a recordcompany, we didn't know anything
about that.
The album comes out and there itis.
And the guy that, that bandmember was very upset, his
mother was very upset.
And he said, but no, it wasnever about that.
We were just making, you know,even, I mean, even though they
did have references in their,in, in their, you know, in their
music.
But, um, you know, in talkingabout Ozzy, 70 something years
(19:33):
old, but you and I.
Both.
I'm the least likely guy aftermy teenage years, uh, to become
a follower of Jesus, you're thesame way.
And it's one of the reasons whywe're doing this, but just
wanted to share that to people.
If the celebrity evangelist, theguy's named Dylan Novak, if they
wanna go watch those two, thosetwo interviews, uh, seemed very
sincere.
(19:53):
And, and I have, I am prettyconvinced that the Prince of
Darkness is now with the Princeof Peace.
And so if he.
Rich (20:03):
Wonderful man.
Yeah.
Well there's like, um, the, I'mrereading a book I've mentioned
to you before called the RaggaMA and Gospel and, um, there's
a, there's a quote in it andI've looked it up.
It's like an unattributed quote.
There's some ideas about whereit might come from, but it says,
you know, the church is ahospital for sinners, not a
museum for saints.
(20:23):
You know, and it's like, youknow, like that I, I, I often
think this, you know, it's likeif Jesus came today, like
Pat (20:29):
Yeah.
Rich (20:29):
he be sitting breaking bed with people probably in a crack
house, you know?
'cause those really, you know,he sat with tax collectors and,
you know, you know, like le youknow, he, he touched lepers, you
know, like, and you know, theequivalent today is like a crack
addict, you know, like a, youknow, a prostitute, you know, a
street prostitute.
You know, those that are kindof, you know.
The woman at the, well, youknow, like married five times,
(20:50):
living with a husband, livingwith a man that wasn't her
husband.
You know, like we would, thatwould raise eyebrows today, but
in like scenario in like, youknow, like 32 ad or whatever it
was, you know, like that it'sreally something, you know, so
it's like Yeah.
it's the, it's exactly, that'sexactly, you know, the, he comes
for the,
Pat (21:11):
Yes.
Rich (21:11):
and the
Pat (21:12):
Well, he goes, yeah.
Rich (21:13):
the so-called already righteous.
Pat (21:15):
He's, he's, he's come for the, come for the lost sheet.
And that's, uh, people just needto realize that there's so many
people that have people in theirlives that they think that may
be too far gone.
Never stop praying.
Um, the guy talking about allthose people praying about Ozzy.
I'm telling you that stuff thatI'm telling you, it has an
effect.
I mentioned in my book, I don't,you probably don't recall, but
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the day that I was walking, I'dbeen out drinking my car, ran
outta gas, I'm walking in therain home.
And I encounter a guy standingby a car by the road.
And this was back in the middleof my, all of my, you know,
everything that I was doing andat, at the, you know, I was in
the despair and the, and thedrugs and the crime.
(21:57):
And I walked by the guy andsaid, Hey, how are you doing?
And, you know, we talked for asecond and he asked me, but now
I said, pat McCool.
He said, I've heard of you.
He said, we've been praying foryou.
And this was just, this was astudent at USM'cause it was over
by the, it was over by what?
I was coming from a party off,off the campus.
And um, and I went and thesepeople knew who I was.
(22:19):
I stuck my head in there and itwas.
That's Pat.
Oh, that's Pat.
Hey, you know, I mean, I'd been,I'd been drinking.
I didn't stay long or anything,but that never left me, somebody
was praying for me.
So if, if you've got people outthere that you know, or people
in your life, pray for them.
If you, the people that my wifeprays for, blows my mind.
I'm, I, I, you know, she startsmentioning, I'm like, I don't,
(22:41):
gosh, I, I don't even like thatperson.
She says, yeah, I know.
That's why, you know, that's whyI'm praying for him.
But it's, it's powerful.
And I think that had an impacton Ozzie's life.
I know it had an impact on mylife.
Probably had an impact on yours.
You probably had people alongthe way and it's impacted all of
her lives.
So, so, so, never ever give up.
And speaking of never giving up,that's kind of, uh, something
(23:04):
where you were today.
You were supposed to speak at aprison today, and you're gonna
do that at a later date.
Did you say?
Rich (23:12):
No, it was, so there was a complication unfortunately, so I
was asked to go and speakalongside a pastor friend of
mine at, um, a recovery, uh,like speaker event.
Unfortunately, my details didn'tmake it to the prison governor.
The prison, I dunno, I think youhad the same time over there,
the prison governor.
Pat (23:29):
wait a second.
I don't wanna, I don't wannainterrupt you.
Could you clear up at one point,I mean, clear up once and for
all.
What does governor mean?
I watch all these British show,British shows and it's, Hey,
gov.
What's up?
Gov?
What a governor.
Rich (23:41):
Uh, well, that's, that's.
That's the colloquial, like,that's like alright, gov.
Like it's just a way of like,it's like saying, alright boss,
or, or like, it is like a, it'sjust a kind of slang greeting,
you know, like that you mightsay to someone that was in some
position of authority.
(24:02):
potentially, you know, um, it'squite old fashioned, but, um,
but yeah, in this instance,this, this would not be the
slang term, this would be theprison governor.
who, which, so, and like my,basically my, my me and my, my,
my details didn't get cleared intime for me to enter the prison,
unfortunately.
But, uh, over the weekend I, um,was lucky enough to go to, uh, a
(24:26):
conference, a Believers inRecovery conference.
Um.
Which is Believers in Recoveryis.
fan, like an amazing recoveryfocused ministry kind of sits
between like 12 step meetings inthe church.
You know, the idea of it islike, the mission statement is
it's for people that don't getenough recovery in the church,
(24:47):
but don't get enough in their 12step groups.
You know?
So it kind of sits in the middleand that's where I, you know, I
came to faith by attendingbelievers in recovery, uh,
meetings, you know, so that ithas a huge.
Like placing my heart.
I'm very grateful to believeit's in recovery.
So we went there.
My, you know, my other half andI went there.
(25:07):
It was actually in my oldhometown part.
So like your, your Hattiesburg.
Yeah.
But to see Southland Sea.
So actually where thisconference was.
I was stabbed about threequarters of a mile in that
direction.
I used to smoke crack in a houseabout 500 yards away.
(25:27):
Um, there was a gas station justalong the road from where I was,
where I used to steal food.
I got chased outta there by thesecurity guards.
Like I remember I threw a, achicken mayo sandwich at the, at
the security guard as so I wasrunning.
So yeah, going back there kindof 13 years clean, um, to
worship and learn.
Pat (25:48):
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to re interrupt.
That's where you were havingthis meeting was in that
Rich (25:53):
Yeah.
Pat (25:53):
by where all this went on.
Well, so go on that.
That's fascinating.
Rich (25:59):
Yeah, so it was great, man.
And like, you know, like I'vegot, you know, a lot of friends,
a lot of new people there, a lotof people gave their life to
Jesus during the worship there.
Like there was this kind ofmoment where the spirit moved
and of the pastors just got upon the stage and spontaneously
called, you know, did like theauto call and about probably
about 12, maybe 15 kind of new,uh, new people.
(26:21):
Um, but I think, uh, I've gotthe impression that just.
We were in the recoverycommunity in that town, but had
just come along to have a lookat Believers in Recovery just
because it was a recovery eventthat happened to be on there.
Yeah.
And they came forward like this,like these two rows of people
just responded to the auto callspontaneously, just went to the
(26:41):
front and they gave their lifeto Jesus.
And very powerful, very, verypowerful.
So for me, you know, a fantasticweekend, you know, obviously
nothing better than seeing, thanseeing the spirit move in that
way and touch people.
Um.
Some great, some great speakers.
Um, you know, it was, you know,they're fantastic, really, you
know, really fantastic and, andobviously, and very powerful for
(27:02):
me being back in that exactarea, know, as a Christian, 13
years clean, you know, with alife that's like, you know,
literally, literallytransformed, um, from what it
was.
Yeah.
Pat (27:15):
How did you, how did you get back to that, that, that
town, I mean, do you go toservices there or is it just a
recovery meeting that youdecided to go to?
I, I mean, back, back in SouthEnd by the, by the sea.
Because you're living in Oxford,would you, were you in London
over the weekend?
Rich (27:35):
Oh
Pat (27:35):
I was.
Rich (27:35):
I traveled from London to, um, to South End.
We had some accommodation.
We got some accommodation downthere.
Um, and just, yeah.
And then went to the event onSaturday.
It was.
I spent Friday, showing my, mypartner, some of my old haunts,
some of the, some of the, um,glamorous locations where I used
to, used to hang out, you know,like, uh, I think, I think you'd
(27:58):
probably call them dive bars.
Pat (28:00):
Say it again.
Rich (28:01):
yeah.
Like a dive
Pat (28:03):
Oh, yeah,
Rich (28:04):
call them
Pat (28:04):
yeah, yeah.
Dive bar for sure.
Rich (28:07):
like ropey, ropey pubs basically.
And, um, yeah, just a lot ofplace, you know, a lot of places
where a lot of, a lot of, uh,difficult stuff happened.
Went to see my mom's grave, um,went and visit my brother and
went to this recoveryconference.
So, uh, yeah, big, big weekendin a lot of ways.
Pat, you know, a big weekend andlike lots of, like some, you
(28:28):
know, the.
Of the teaching focused on.
Like, basically like living outGod's purpose.
You know?
Like it's not about, it's notabout me, it's not about us,
it's not about you, you know?
It's about align, you know,being willing, you know, like
how far are you willing to gofor, for him, you know, like how
much of your life is about yourown?
(28:50):
You know, more speak for me,like my own and designs and what
I think I need and how muchmoney I need to make and what
car I should be driving.
And, and you know, how, how ableare we am I like actually to
just to get out the way andlisten, you know, be willing to,
you know.
Like to listen to what thespirit is prompting me to do,
(29:12):
you know?
And, um, yeah, it's very, like,I find, you know, getting those
kind of reminders is, you know,is, is always, you know, always
a good thing.
Of course.
And there was some, of speakersfrom Brooklyn, um, I just
another shout out to, there's,uh, an organization in Brooklyn
that started in Brooklyn calledThe Recovery House of Worship,
which is an American recoveryministry.
(29:34):
Um, They.
have online meetings every week.
If you, uh, Google.
R how?
RHOW, um, Staten Island now.
That'll bring up their website.
They have Zoom services andspeak, uh, speakers and
teachings and stuff.
Um, so a couple of pastors fromthere.
Pastor Raymond Ramo, so PastorAnthony Edwin, I think.
(29:54):
Um, yeah.
Fantastic man.
Fantastic event.
Pat (29:57):
They They came all the way from Brooklyn to have the event.
So again, it wasn't just aservice, this was a whole
recovery event that peopleattended.
Rich (30:08):
Oh yeah, it was a whole day.
It was like Fri, well, it wasFriday night.
I didn't go on the Friday night.
Friday night worship, onespeaker opening prayers, bit of
fellowship time, all that kindof thing.
And then on Saturday it was likedoors open at night, speaker
finished at 6:00 PM You know,full day food teachings, worship
prayer.
(30:29):
You know, fellowship time, it'sgreat, man.
You know what I mean?
And in fact, some of the guys,they got, they, they, they felt
prompted during the service thatactually when the service, or
during the, the course of theday that when, when it finished,
they, they went into one of thelocal, uh, we call it, states,
you would call it housingprojects.
Yeah.
So they went into one of thelocal housing projects to, to
(30:50):
preach and to, you know, try andkind of spread the gospel.
So they're very powerful, man.
Very, very powerful, Dave.
Very.
Pat (30:57):
Name of the, the name of, of this, these people out of
the, the outfit out Brooklynagain, that, how do they find
it?
Rich (31:05):
Oh, so you got past go.
Pat (31:09):
No, go ahead.
You said how they can find it,how people can find it online,
people that might be interested.
Rich (31:15):
so yeah, so, so if you put into Google Recovery, house of
Worship, or R how RHOW.
Um, Staten Island, then thatwill bring up the Recovery House
of Worship website.
And then on there has got theirti, you know, their timetable,
(31:35):
their, you know, their Zoomcodes to get'em into their
meetings and stuff like that.
So, um, yeah, that highly reckonI've learned a lot.
You know, I've, that've done abit, quite a lot.
I've attended quite a lot oftheir teachings and stuff and,
um, it's very power, you know,great vessels.
There basically great vessels,man.
Pat (31:53):
That's fantastic.
So you're saying this, theythey, they're kind of a cross
between the 12 step program andthe cross and, and, and, you
know, and what's teaching in achurch, but they obviously led
these people to salvation.
Rich (32:10):
Yeah.
So it bridges the gap.
That's what it does.
It bridges the gap.
'cause there can be a gap now.
12 step groups can be verysecular.
Yeah.
These days And um, to courses.
Interesting.
Given the roots of the program.
But they can be, can be verysecular.
Um.
So being a Christian in a 12step group, it's different.
(32:31):
I mean, obviously as you know,I've spent time in, in
Mississippi, I've spent time inyour hometown and actually AA
meetings that I attended thereuh, much more openly Christian
you would ever see in the uk.
So, uh, but then in, in other 12step groups, you know, the
fellowship that I attend, Iwon't name'cause of anonymity
(32:51):
and traditions and stuff, but,um, uh.
There that's tends to be very,very secular.
So if you are a Christian, ifyou come to faith through
working the 12 steps, which manyof us do, it's helpful to be
able to kind of go somewhereelse to get fed spiritually, and
of course to serve, you know, toput back into, to, you know, to,
(33:14):
to serve, um, where like.
You know, you are getting taughtabout Jesus and, and with other
people, you know, with spendingtime with other Christians.
But where there is anunderstanding of what recovery
is, because sometimes thereisn't, sometimes that can be
lacking the church is the, isthe truth, you know?
And, and, and that, that cancause problems sometimes, you
know,'cause people, you know,there is a point of view that,
(33:39):
you know, like, it's like theword addict doesn't appear in
the Bible, you know?
So it's like, well people.
Still referring.
So I would go to a meeting andsay, man is rich.
I'm an addict.
You know, from a, from a,there's a theological
perspective that would then say,well, you're not an addict.
You're a new creation.
You've been washed clean, so youneed to let go of that identity.
Right?
(33:59):
But what can happen sometimes ispeople let go of that identity
and they, they lose touch withthe fact that addiction is.
A lifelong condition that youhave to maintain vigilance
around to, you know, to avoidreturning to, you know, and,
and, and that those peoplesometimes I've seen, you know,
I've seen that happen a numberof times, but you know, someone
very close to me, you know, gotthree years clean.
(34:21):
Um, bought into, bought intothose ideas, um, decided that
they could, you know, drinksocially.
You know, and ended up in a, a,I think a two year, uh, a two
year relapse in onto cocaine andalcohol and, and kind of made it
back by the skin of her teeth.
So, yeah, so that's why Recco,that's my take.
(34:43):
You know, other, I'm sure otherpeople, you know, will have
other perspectives on it, butthat is certainly my perspective
on the importance of recoveryMinistries, why they're, they're
an important thing.
Pat (34:52):
Well, I mean, that's part of your occupation as an
addiction specialist, so you seeit every single day.
People that don't deal withpeople that are actual addicts,
it's, it's easy to form anopinion when you're not.
You know, when you're notactually seeing it and dealing
with it and, and, and, andliving with it.
And as I told you, mine was moreof an emotional type thing, but
I know people that were justphysic.
(35:12):
I, I know people 10 years, 15years, everything's going fine
all of a sudden one night.
Binge and they've thrown, youknow, there, there goes the
family, the wife, this or, and,and, and you know, everything
that they had built and thatthey had worked up.
So I, I certainly see whatyou're saying.
(35:32):
So it sounds like a great, greatorganization.
And they came over and heldthat, and then they did an alter
call at the end and they had anumber of people find salvation
or answer the, the altar call.
Rich (35:45):
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
And just to be really clear,plat, so Believers In Recovery
is a UK based recovery ministry,but it has links to these guys
outta Brooklyn.
So these guys outta Brooklyncame to speak
Pat (35:58):
At,
Rich (35:58):
Believers in
Pat (35:59):
at Believers in Recovery.
And they knew the, they knew thePastor Ramos the one that you
know from Brooklyn and they'rekind of part of the same.
So they, they, they came over.
So, um.
They preach the gospel and yousaid a couple of whole rows of
people.
Rich (36:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like these two rows of peoplejust kind of got up and, you
know, just went straight to thefront, responded to the auto
call, which is, you know,obviously kind of an amazing
thing really to see.
And, um, yeah, special, veryspecial.
Pat (36:34):
Well, that's fantastic.
Yeah.
You, you, you, you did mentionit's the, the AA meetings over
here.
You say were, were leaned morewith, with preaching, re leaned
more spiritual talking aboutJesus.
In the, the AA meetings that youwere in, in Mississippi, did you
say you attended some here?
Rich (36:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I did, yeah, I did a lot ofmeetings over there and, um,
yeah, like much more, you know,we'll often kind of close with
the Lord's Prayer.
Um, we'll, I, I, you know, we'lltalk about you, you know.
That they're happy for peopleto, um, you know, talk about
(37:11):
scripture, Bible verses andstuff during the course of the
meeting, all that kind of stuff.
And definitely much more open.
But of course you are in theBible belt, right?
I mean, you are, like, when Iwas in Mississippi, like you'd
drive past a church, then therewas another church in the corner
and there was a church oppositethat.
And then just down the road wasa church, know, like all
different shapes.
And some of the churches, pat,they were like small towns, you
(37:31):
know, like,
Pat (37:32):
Well that's, that's why I teed that up.
That's what we were gonna talkabout next time.
We're going to talk about the,the, the differences between,
um, church in England and churchin America and church in, in the
south.
And because I've been up north,and then there's a lot of
differences, a lot of humorousdifferences, uh, and what it was
like for me and Rich when wefirst started walking up in a,
(37:53):
in a church.
But, but there are quite, uh.
Quite the differences betweenEngland and there's a lot going
on, uh, in England.
I understand that there's a bitof a rev revival, a bit of a
resurgence going on in, inEngland, which is amazing
because some of the roots, uh,of, uh, of the powerful people,
you know, the Bible wastranslated in England because of
(38:16):
England, and there's a, there'sa lot there.
And that's, that's, uh, what wewere going to, uh, discuss
today.
But.
We had a couple other things totalk about, and we're gonna,
we're gonna have to leave itright here and, uh, but next
time join us where we do talkabout the differences between
the church in England and thechurch in America.
And as you said, we, we haveone.
(38:37):
That's how you get directions inAmerica.
Uh, you, you, you go two milesto the Baptist church and you
take a right and go anothermile.
To the Methodist church, andthen you go over here to the pa
and then you take one there, andthen you, and then the one I
love, the people in the southwill give you, they'll be like,
go five miles down the road andtake a left where the old church
(38:58):
used to be.
Okay.
It's a field now, but we got we,we got you.
So, uh,
Rich (39:06):
Yeah.
Pat (39:06):
well anyway, rich, well it's good to see you, man.
I'm glad you have a goodweekend.
Are, are you gonna go back tothe prison ministry?
Are they gonna reschedule that?
Rich (39:14):
Well that?
event happened today, but I'm,um, I occasionally go and speak
in prisons.
Pat (39:19):
I did not know that.
Rich (39:20):
speak at one next month.
I.
Pat (39:22):
I.
Rich (39:22):
Yeah.
occasion, get asked to speak inprison.
So I've been in maybe 10different English jails
speaking.
But, um, yeah, I.
think there's, there's another,there's another one coming.
I just need to see if it canwork date wise.
But I'll, I'll definitely keepyou and on all our listeners
Pat (39:39):
I never knew about that.
You see, again, that's somethingwe have in common.
You've been in nine or 10, uh,English jail speaking.
When I was a teenager, I was innine or 10 American jails.
I was speaking, when's my dadgonna come?
Get me outta here.
So, so, so we both had visits tothe jail.
(40:01):
We were just doing two differentthings, but fortunately,
fortunately, I was able to leavethat
Rich (40:06):
Ends of
Pat (40:07):
different, different, different ends of the pro of the
process.
But, um, anyway, uh, have agood, rich, and let's, uh, talk
to you next week.
Rich (40:18):
Lovely,
Pat (40:19):
Alright, love you man.
Take care.
Rich (40:22):
Bye.
You too.
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