Unveiling the Role of the Chief Consciousness Officer

The salient point of this episode revolves around the transformative role of the Chief Consciousness Officer (CCO) in contemporary organizations. In our discussion with Charlie Johnson, the chief consciousness officer, we delve into the profound necessity of integrating consciousness into the business framework, as a means to foster enhanced leadership and organizational coherence. Johnson elucidates the concept that consciousness transcends mere wellness initiatives; it serves as a strategic imperative for cultivating a more harmonious workplace. He argues that a shift from a purely mental approach to one that embraces consciousness can lead to unprecedented innovation and collaboration within teams. Throughout our conversation, we explore practical insights and strategies that can empower leaders to navigate the complexities of today's business environment with clarity and purpose.

The salient point of this episode revolves around the transformative role of the Chief Consciousness Officer (CCO) in contemporary organizations. In our discussion with Charlie Johnson, the chief consciousness officer, we delve into the profound necessity of integrating consciousness into the business framework, as a means to foster enhanced leadership and organizational coherence. Johnson elucidates the concept that consciousness transcends mere wellness initiatives; it serves as a strategic imperative for cultivating a more harmonious workplace. He argues that a shift from a purely mental approach to one that embraces consciousness can lead to unprecedented innovation and collaboration within teams. Throughout our conversation, we explore practical insights and strategies that can empower leaders to navigate the complexities of today's business environment with clarity and purpose.

The discourse presented in this episode of the Unstoppable Leadership Spotlight podcast encapsulates the profound insights of Charlie Johnson, the Chief Consciousness Officer. Mr. Johnson elucidates the transformative nature of consciousness in the realm of business, arguing that the prevailing reliance on the intellect, or the mind, has constrained our potential for innovation and growth. He posits that consciousness, as an innate resource, has been overlooked, yet it is fundamentally vital to understanding our existence and enhancing our leadership capabilities. Johnson articulates that the current tumult in both personal and corporate spheres is a manifestation of a broader awakening to consciousness, wherein individuals are compelled to confront their suppressed thoughts and emotions. This awakening necessitates a shift in corporate culture, advocating for the incorporation of a Chief Consciousness Officer in organizations to facilitate this transition. The dialogue delves into the implications of embracing consciousness within business practices, suggesting that such a paradigm shift could foster unity, creativity, and holistic problem-solving, ultimately enriching the corporate landscape and enhancing employee satisfaction.

Takeaways:

• The role of a Chief Consciousness Officer is essential for modern leadership, facilitating awareness and understanding within organizations.
• Consciousness is a vast resource that transcends traditional business practices, requiring a shift from a purely mental approach.
• Recognizing the limitations of the mind is crucial; the mind often acts as a mediator, but true clarity comes from consciousness.
• The division and conflict observed in society reflect a deeper need for individuals to understand consciousness and its implications on leadership.

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• Pay It Forward Foundation

Link & Connect with Charley Links referenced in this episode:

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/cjconsciousness/

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Episode Transcript

(00:58):
Well, hello everybody andwelcome to another amazing episode
of the Unstoppable LeadershipSpotlight podcast. I am your host,
Jaclyn Strominger and here onthis podcast we hear from amazing
leaders and their gamechanging insights. And today we have
an an awesome guest, CharleyJohnson and he is the chief conscious

(01:21):
officer for he focuses onconsciousness training. He is the
former president of Pay ItForward foundation and he has had
a wealth of experience inbusiness. So I cannot wait for you
guys to hear all about thisand how we can help be better leaders
today. So welcome to the show, Charley.

(01:43):
Thank you for having me on.
So I am curious. Talk to meabout what is a chief consciousness
officer.
Every everything on thisplanet happening right now? This
massive shift, all of thischaos, this is happening because
of consciousness. Everythingis consciousness. Everything physical

(02:05):
and non physical. So a lot oftimes when we start talking about
consciousness as this newthing, as we're trying to bring it
into business, like consciouscapitalism, conscious management,
whatever it is, consciousnesshas been a part of business forever.
What's been happening withbusinesses and individuals is that
they've all been given a blankcheck and they're cashing it for
a hundred dollars. I don'tknow about you, if I had a blank

(02:27):
check, I'd be cashing it for abillion. I'd be cashing it for some
absorbent amount of money. Inbusiness, all we've used is the mind.
And I know that's kind of aunique thing to say because that's
all we've known, that's allwe've focused on, that's all we've
ever been told. But the mindis the middleman. The mind is this
very fixed, finite tool thatis creating the problem that can

(02:47):
be fixed. Right? As Einsteinsaid, the same mind that creates
a problem can't solve it. Themind came from consciousness. Every
piece of knowledge came fromconsciousness. This vast resource
is consciousness. Allowingbusiness owners, executives, customer
service, anyone in thebusiness to know that they have access
to that at any level that theyplease is an absolute shift in the

(03:13):
business. Shifting from themind to consciousness is going to
change everything. And it'sjust the next logical step. It's
the next logical hire. Justlike when technology took over business
and everyone started hiringctos, Consciousness is next.
So tell me how you came to this.

(03:34):
My business background, thenonprofit background, and then the
years with my teacher. What hedid is he stripped everything away.
He had me read everythinghumanly possible. Not to fill my
mind full of information andknowledge, but to show me that everything's
coming from the same Source.Every religion, every politics, spirituality,

(03:57):
business, everything thatwe're thinking, everything that divides
and conflicts us, everythingthat we kill each other over for,
everything we argue over,everything that we think we're right
on the other side is wrong.It's all coming from the same source.
So my question has always beenmy time with him and learning what
I've learned. How can suchintelligent people be at such odds
with each other? How can twoHarvard grad individuals with both

(04:20):
160 IQ, one of them being aRepublican, one being a Democrat,
both sides think the otherside is wrong and ruining the world.
How has no one ever sat downand asked the question, why is that
not just the heads to thetails of the coin, why is no one
asking where the coin camefrom? So understanding that most
people who cross paths with ateacher like mine will leave the
world behind, right? They'llgo off on a journey, they'll do meditation,

(04:43):
they capitalism will be deadto them, money's for the birds. All
of that. That wasn't my case.I. I wanted to bridge that gap. I
wanted to bring consciousnessback into the business world. Because
consciousness is notspiritual. It's tactical. Every time
someone hears that word, theyimmediately think of meditation,

(05:05):
mindfulness. With the chiefconsciousness officer, people start
thinking this is anotherwellness program. It's not because
for the last 20 years, we havecrammed wellness programs down small,
medium and large businesses.HR does it because they needed to.
CEOs begrudgingly put it intotheir budget because they thought
it would be better. No one wasreally doing it for an authentic

(05:26):
reason. But everyone is doingmeditation, mindfulness, yoga, whatever
it is. My question is, withall those wellness programs and all
that focus and money put intothat, how does the world look? How
does business look? We'venever been so divided. We've never
been so conflicted. So we'vegot to understand why. We've got

(05:46):
to understand it's a level ofconsciousness. We've got to understand
that the shift happening rightnow, that's bringing up everything
that any human being has eversuppressed, including the CEO, including
the last 20 or 30 years. Theindividuals at the top of these businesses
who are now thinking differentthoughts, they're having stuff come
up they don't know how to dealwith. They're losing their confidence,

(06:07):
they're losing their clarity.They're thinking something that they've
never thought before. There'sa lot of fear going around and it's
spreading the gap betweenexecutives and employees. A chief
consciousness officer would beon staff to help everyone understand
what's going on on thisplanet, what the shift is, what consciousness
is, right? And I continuouslysay that word. And before you and

(06:28):
I started this conversation,the question is, what is consciousness?
Right?
The simplest metaphor is thewise fish swimming through the ocean.
He swims by two young fish andsays, hey boys, how's the water?
And the two young fish look ateach other and say, what's water?
That's consciousness. Asyou're talking to me right now, as

(06:49):
your listeners are listeningto this and watching this, everyone
is swimming in consciousness.Everything physical and non physical,
everything physical that youcould think of, all the senses that
you can touch, taste and feel,every thought, everything is consciousness.
The most important thing tounderstand is knowledge, is structured
in consciousness. Anythingyou've ever known, learned, will

(07:10):
ever learn, read about,watched a video on, learned from
your parents, from a teacher,from a mentor. All of that knowledge
came from where, fromconsciousness. It didn't come from
the mind because the mind'sjust a middleman. Thinking that consciousness
comes from the mind is likelistening to your car radio and diving
into the car radio, thinkingthe band's going to be there. It's
just a receiver. That's allthis is as a middleman. So all we've

(07:34):
done for the vast majority ofour existence is deal with the middleman.
The middleman's kind of dyingout right now. We need to get to
the source. The source isconsciousness. And it doesn't, it's
not spiritual, it's not aboutawakening. It's not about getting
to the top of the mountain.It's about someone in second grade
being pushed third or fourthgrade. It's about letting customer
service, middle manager, a vp,a C suite executive, anyone in business

(07:56):
understand that they haveaccess to it. Not only do they have
access to it, theirconsciousness, every piece of knowledge
they've ever wanted to know isthat same source. So just bringing
that to their attention,that's all that's necessary. The
seeds planted. The universe isan incredible gardener. It's going
to water it and it's going togrow just listening to this conversation.

(08:18):
Whether they understandconsciousness, whether they think
I'm crazy and don't believe init, Their awareness has gone from
here to hear. They can'tunhear what you and I are discussing.
And that's all we legitimate,that's really all we need on this
planet with.
Everything that's happening,you know you're talking about this
and I keep thinking of like somany different instances where people
talk about, you know,unconsciousness, consciousness, like,

(08:40):
you know, what Becomes whatfirst? Like, you know, there are
so many things that we justdo. We're just, We're. We don't even
realize we're doing it. And soyou're bringing something out into
the open to tra. Takesomething to have people be aware.
Like, you know what, you'reconsciously aware of that behavior
or something that you're doing.
Yes. So. So, okay, so that'sjust a simple shift there. When people

(09:05):
talk about conscious, like I'mconscious, I was in a fight and I
was knocked unconscious.That's not consciousness. So conscious
means you and I are aware ofeach other. You can hear my voice,
right? There's something inyour ears that allows you to hear,
something in your eyes thatallows you to see. Conscious, unconscious,
subconscious, that's alldifferent stuff. Consciousness is
fundamental to our reality.Everything that you are looking at

(09:29):
and everything you've everknown, every planet, every, Everything
to do with humans, withplants, with animals, with the sky,
with water, everything,everything came from consciousness.
That's why they call it thehard problem of consciousness. Because
in our linear time, in ourlinear mind, in our construct and
the condition that we've beentold and taught and learned, it's
physical matter, right? Wheredid that come from? Well, fundamentally,

(09:55):
it's coming fromconsciousness. So we've gone from
everything. That is somethingcoming from nothing. Our minds cannot
wrap around that. And I'm notgoing to go into detail about that
because that's something thatwe as humans, even other civilizations,
will never know. It's likesaying, will you ever know God? Will
we ever know certain thingslike how you and I came from a single

(10:16):
cell inside of a woman's body.We take that for granted because
8 billion people came from thesame source, right? But when it comes
to consciousness, I don't liketo get into it too deep like these
incredible PhDs like BernardCastrup and all those guys talking
about it. We will never get tothe source. But what we can be aware
of is like the fish. What'swater? Well, consciousness is everything.

(10:40):
We can tap into that. We cantap into that knowledge. Wherever
our awareness points, we canbring that information back with
us. So if a CEO and everyperson in the company's here and
they're successful, that'sfine. Well, if they want to grow,
they've got to expand theirawareness. You expand your awareness
with consciousness. You can'texpand it with the mind. The mind

(11:00):
is fixed. You know. You knowas well as I do there's 50 to 80,
000 thoughts a day. It'sFixed, it's full, it's chaotic, We've
got too much coming after us.And one of the best examples of showing
you how limited the mind is isthat NASA study. They followed a
few thousand kids at the agesof 4 and 5. 98, 98 of them were considered

(11:22):
genius. By the time those kidswere adults, less than 2% kids were
considered genius. So webasically learn ourselves into ignorance.
We've got all of this accessto this vast resource and then we
learn. We become Republican orDemocrat, we become Catholic or atheists.
Our teachers taught us this,our parents taught us this, this
is our rights and we just cramit down to this fixed box. So like

(11:46):
my teacher and what wediscussed earlier, this is why a
Republican and a Democratcoming out of the same Harvard grad
with the same intelligence canbe at such odds with each other.
And all of that division andconflict between religions, between
politics, between people atwork, between whatever. You and I
and all your listeners want toleave the world better than we came

(12:09):
into it. We want to rid theworld of division and conflict. Well,
every time you choose a side,you're creating division and conflict.
That's very difficult for mostpeople to hear.
Right?
You could be the, you could bean 85 year old lady down the street
that wouldn't hurt a fly andyou're Catholic, that's fine. Again,
I don't have a dog in thefight, I don't care. But you're creating

(12:31):
division because in your mindyou believe something and you believe
atheists are wrong and they'reruining world, vice versa. So the
chief consciousness officer,after making a comment like that,
let's get back to businesshere. They're neutral, they're, they're
not Republican or Democrat,they are not Catholic or atheist.
They're an open space thatallows the individual to be authentic.

(12:56):
So when I come into anorganization and I ask a question
to a customer service or a vp,once they understand what this position
is, they know I'm not comingfrom a. I need to know if you're
on my side or if you'reagainst me. Because that's how every
conversation is with the vastmajority of people. We're choosing
sites. We can say to eachtheir own. We can say that I don't
care that you don't believewhat I do. But if we're really pushed

(13:19):
into a corner, we really care.Look at the world, look at the division,
look at the conflict, look at,I'm a Trump guy, you're a Biden guy.
This is, this, this is, we'recontinuously divided and no one's
asking the question why. Wejust. We just put up with it.
Well, it's interesting, I findthat today, a couple different things.
You know, somewhere along theway, we have forgotten to agree to

(13:44):
disagree. We have completelyforgotten to agree to disagree. And
I. And it comes out into a lotof different places. And it also
comes out, you know, also in.In how we. You know, you could read
something and you could giveit a description, and I might not
even see it as, you know, asdiscriminatory in some way. But you

(14:12):
read it now and it's like, oh,you can't put a name on something
because all of a sudden itbecomes a discrimination. Right?
Yes.
Like. And those are all thingsthat are happening now, you know,
and so it's. And it's true.It's like there shouldn't. It's not
black or white. Nobody shouldagree. Like, you know, two people
coming out of the sameeducation, they should be able to

(14:32):
agree to disagree. Know, twokids growing up in the same family,
they're usually different.
Yeah. Yep. So again, to eachtheir own. Agree to disagree. All
of that. What is happening.And this is again, where the position
of this would be for. Greatfor a company is because these discussions
are happening a significantamount. They're tr. HR is trying

(14:53):
to figure out why there's somuch division and conflict. Why.
Why is Susie and Ed notgetting along? Because, well, they're
different political views.Well, it wasn't that big of a deal.
What is happening is thereality, the truth of how we feel
as humans, that our side isright is being forced to the surface

(15:14):
when we in the past have hadthe ability to just suppress. When
we don't agree, we'll go.We'll go off and say, God, it's Susie.
Oh, for God's sake, she's aDemocrat. Like this is. But to her
face, we'll say, oh, it'sgreat. You're a great person. See
it. Well, with the shift ofconsciousness, it thins the veil.
And everything we as humansdon't want to deal with and we're

(15:37):
really good at lying toourselves at ignoring that is being
pushed up. We can't ignore it.We can't push it aside. And it's
coming up. Those thoughts areunable to be pushed away. So like
you said, we have lost theability to agree to disagree because
of consciousness. Beforecreation comes destruction again.

(15:57):
This is such a consciousnessis everything. Companies are going
to want help with that. HR isstruggling to deal with burnout,
with stress. Why everyone'sfighting why there's so much division
within the C suite, withincustomer service, within teams. You
have someone on the team whohas a business background and my
experience and is neutral. Ican't think of a more profound, powerful

(16:23):
impact than that individualcan have immediately. Absolutely.
Just by being in meetings,just by listening, just by being
a neutral, like that wallbehind me, just being able to absorb
the information and givingadvice that is not Republican advice
or Democratic advice orCatholic advice or atheist advice.
Legit neutral. Like it's liketapping into a Google of consciousness.

(16:47):
Right? You're Switzerland. So,so, so tell me, like when you're
thinking about. You're at thisposition that you're, that you're,
you're. That you've createdand, and being that chief Consciousness
officer, talk to me about howlike the difference in leadership
within a company when they'rebringing this in, what happens?

(17:12):
Every. Everyone in the C suitenow has a secret weapon. The CEO
has someone who can expand theawareness for the strategy and for
problem solving and solutionsmoving forward. Because it's no longer
being alienated to 50%.Because the CEO can be very intelligent.
When they walk in with theircmo, their cfo, their CRO and everyone,

(17:34):
they know each other verywell. They know someone's a Republican
or Democrat. They know there'scertain things that unconsciously
or subconsciously, they'rewalling off. Someone in the room
could have the best answer forit, but they may doubt it. Right.
So when it comes to the Csuite, the CCO would report to the
CEO but they would have noauthority over anything else. They

(17:56):
would need to be neutral.Right. So a chief marketing officer
in a meeting with them, myconsciousness and my clarity is going
to shift their consciousnessand their clarity. They're going
to expand into new ideas.They're going to be more creative
even with the cfo. Numbers arenot my thing, but there's going to
be the ability to look atnumbers, to be, to look at the P

(18:17):
L, to look at profits for thefirst quarter, second quarter, whatever,
you're going to raise theirclarity. They're going to see things
they've never seen before ordidn't have the access to. They're
going to be able to helpsales, they're going to be able to
help. They're definitely goingto be able to help market. I'm sorry,
hr they're going to be able tohelp hire higher consciousness individuals.
But just the natural abilityof a really powerful consciousness

(18:41):
because of the neutrality whenyou walk into a meeting, when you
walk Into a room. When youwalk into an office, whether it's
with customer service or theCEO, you're bringing everyone up.
And the best example I haveis, do you remember that movie with
William H. Ny called the Cooler?
I actually do not. I usuallyknow all my movies.

(19:02):
Okay, so, so it was, it was Vegas.
Watch it now.
Vegas hired this guy. He hadvery. He was like an eeyore. He was
like very low energy. Justthe, the, the. Every time a table
was really hopping, someonewas making a ton of money, they would
just bring him in, he'd grab adrink, sit at the table, and the
table would crash, or he'd goto roulette and he'd lean on the

(19:23):
table, grab a drink, and thatguy would crap out. Everything's
energy, right? Even the mostscientific or unscientific, religious,
spiritual people who don'tbelieve in it, we know it's energy
now. Everyone knows that. Sothey would bring him in as the cooler,
that he would cool it down sothe people would. Okay, the consciousness
officer is the polar oppositeof that. Just by being in the room,

(19:47):
the energy, the clarity, theneutrality and the consciousness
of that male or femalenaturally brings everyone up. Naturally
takes the walls down, opens upa space, and you'll have less division
and conflict. That right thereis something that the world is drastically
needing and it's only going toget more aggressive and more needed

(20:07):
because of how the world'becoming divided and conflicted.
Like you said, we can't agreeto disagree because everyone's digging
their heels in. My side'sbetter. I'm right, you're wrong.
Vice versa. Just like whentechnology took over businesses and
we started hiring ctos, thisis the next logical hire and they're
going to need it very quick.

(20:28):
You know, it's so interestingbecause, you know, I. In my coaching
practice, we talk a lot aboutenergy and finding what that is.
And, and because I always say,and repeatedly say this, you know,
your vibe attracts your tribe.Right. And how you operate, you know,
and, and it's. And it's true.Like, you could just as, you know,

(20:53):
William H. Macy walks into aroom and he's the, he's the cooler.
That same energy doesn't.Whether, you know, being at a table
in Vegas, but it's also peoplewho can walk into like a networking
event, or you have somebodywho walks into a meeting and they
are. Their energy just bringseverything down. Or you can have
something that brings it all up.

(21:13):
Yes.
And that is, it's, it's, it'sinteresting that we're talking about
this because I shared thisidea about how you consider yourself
and how people react. We talka lot about anabolic versus catabolic
energy. Anabolic raising youup, catabolic being something that's
more negative and how youperceive people coming at you. So

(21:36):
it's really, you know, I wouldagree with you. I think that this
is something that a lot ofcompanies really need to be able
to focus on and think aboutbecause the energy that's coming
into a place, it is going to,depending upon how it is, it's either
going to attract the rightclients and the right people to work

(21:56):
there or it's going to pushpeople away. But if you can have
somebody that's kind of, youknow, their responsibility to help
be that person, you know,you're saying that like the Chief
Consciousness officer. I'mthinking also you could even call
it the Chief Energy Officer.Right. Like, you know, sure, in some

(22:16):
ways, like to, to raise peopleup versus to bring people down. So
when you're thinking aboutwhat you're doing, are you creating
like a training program orsomething? Like how, you know, you
are one person. So what doessomebody need to do to bring in a

(22:37):
Chief Consciousness Officerinto their company? Is there a training
program that you're offeringthat's giving them a certification?
So two things. I think wediscussed this earlier, but a Chief
Consciousness officer, I justwant to make this very clear. It
is not another wellnessprogram. I'm not saying, I'm not
saying. I know, you know thatI just. On all these interviews I

(22:59):
want to make sure. Because wealways have our own conditioning
and bias. Like, oh,consciousness. It's another, it's
not another wellness program.
I'm not talking about drinking smoothies.
I'm not, I'm not going to goin and tell everyone to meditate
and do yoga and everythingelse. Everyone else is already doing
that and it's not, it's notreally working that well. Yeah. So,
yes, I am one person. What I'mlooking to do is I want a, a decent

(23:20):
sized company to see this. Andthankfully to you and quite a few
others, they're going to seeit very soon. And I think there's
going to be a higher. Verysoon. I hope. I'm looking forward
to being me and I want to jumpin there no matter what the company
is and show them the profoundpower of what this is. And then other
companies, whether theyunderstand it or not, you know as

(23:42):
well as I do, the competitionis going to have that little FOMO
and they're going to say, oh,what's this position? Are we lagging
behind? Do we? I would like tohelp other companies find that individual
because what a chiefconsciousness officer is not, is
a super spiritual person whois against capitalism and thinks
profits for the birds. There'sa considerable amount of very high

(24:03):
level consciousness, highclarity people who don't have a business
background who are trying toin a sense, fight the system, break,
bring the system down again.That's no different than a Catholic
and an atheist. We need abusiness background, nonprofit background,
with someone who has the highlevel clarity and the high consciousness
that can merge those two.Because as humans we separate everything.

(24:25):
We need individuals to bridgethe gap. We need to merge it. So
I would assume I'm hired onfull time probably within the next
four to six weeks witheverything that's going on and how
quickly things are going. Andthen I want to help organizations
find their chief consciousnessofficer. Do I have a training course?
No, I do have consciousnesstraining which helps a lot of people

(24:46):
raise their consciousness andunderstand what consciousness is,
which just expands everything.I don't have a training or a certificate
course for that. I know. I'm.
Giving you a business idea.
Yeah, yeah. It may, it mayturn into something, but I'd rather

(25:07):
spend my time with it with, inthe trenches with an organization
with a thousand employees, tenthousand employees, really digging
in and inspiring othercompanies to find that individual
for themselves. Because thatposition is going to be more important
than a CTO with technology. Itreally is because of the way this
world's shifting.
So you share the criteria.Let's say for somebody who wants

(25:31):
to become a chiefconsciousness officer, maybe they've
spent time in, maybe theyspend time in hr, maybe they've spent
time at a non profit, they'vebeen in business. Right. What are
some other criteria that wouldmake somebody a good cco? As you
said, neutral. Neutral.
So I mean, I mean, but thinkabout that word, right? I know. Do

(25:55):
you know anybody that's neutral?
You know, exactly. I, I, youknow, it's funny, it's the word that
you say. You know, I feel likeI tell, you know, it's, it's the
word that I say to my kidswhen, you know, they're growing up.
All them just be neutral. Beneutral. It is the hardest thing
to be neutral. I'm like, Iwear off white. It's not even neutral.

(26:17):
I mean, you so, so, you know.
So, so really, really quickly.What they would, what would you,
what, what I would be lookingfor in a male or female at the highest
level and there's very fewlike this. So we'd have to figure
it out is if they had asignificant amount of time, maybe
two to five years like myself,10 with a teacher that stripped them

(26:40):
clean. Because a lot ofpeople, I've had a lot of discussions,
people have crossed paths withmeditation teachers, Akashic record
readers, energy healers,channelers. Maybe they had a teacher
that took them onto a coupleayahuasca. Those are all great things.
But I mean a legit teacher whois the overall encompassing individual

(27:01):
that has you learn and readstuff not to fill your mind with
knowledge, but to strip itaway. The awakening process is not
a feeling of the mind. It isan emptying of the mind. Right. It's
an understanding that afterthat happens, this is the unique
thing. After being strippedaway, most people leave the world

(27:24):
behind because they see, theysee truly what's going on. They see
who they're dealing with, whatthey're dealing with. Right. It just
shifts everything in them. Soto come back into a business world,
which most people think isruining the world, that's going to
be a tough position to fill.But there are individuals out there
like that that can combine andbridge the gap with that. Because

(27:45):
if everyone just startsleaving everything behind and they
just want to tear down whatthey don't like, again, that's just
another side. The spiritual.The spiritual path has become just
another religion. They're justas strict and dogmatic as the religion
they left behind and thoughtwas wrong.
Right?
We, Someone's got to bringthat to the, to the understanding,
the awareness and the clarityof 8 billion people. I don't have

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a dog in the fight. I got tokeep saying it. I don't care. I don't
care if you're religious orspiritual. I don't care if you're
Republican or Democrat. Soback to your question. The more neutral
the better. Because when youhave, you have this vast resource
of consciousness, every timeyou pick aside, you're shrinking
it, you're shrinking the powerof it. So if they're neutral, they're

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literally tapped into pureconsciousness. They're just a vast
resource. Like the cooler youwalk into a room, like you said,
going into a networking event,that individual walks in the room
and everyone feels better.Someone who was pissed off and was
going to kick the dog whenthey get home may not kick the dog,
little subtle things likethat, but neutrality. And they need

(28:52):
to understand consciousness.And they, they probably need to understand,
they just, they got to bereally, really well rounded, right?
So the first thing that'scoming. One of the other things that's
coming to mind, besides youbecoming a teacher of this, which,
you know, or having some typeof certification course, is a checklist

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of neutrality, almost like a,an assessment. How neutral are you?
Maybe there is something outthere, but that would be kind of,
that would be something thatmight be interesting to someone to
be able to say, you know, ifyou've answered these questions like
this, on a scale of, you know,0 to 10, you know, you've done that,
you're, you're neutral. Ifyou're, you know, over 50, you're

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not whatever. I, you know, youknow, so. Because I keep thinking
that, you know, what would besomething that, you know, if a company
wants to bring somebody in,what is, you know, we've got, we've
got some of thecharacteristics of it, but how do
they really know you well?
And I think that's where myvalues coming in. And I think that

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the last, last 15 years of mylife, which have been a real struggle
because of trying to come backinto this world, trying to figure
out where my place is, knowingthat I, there's certain things I
just. The universe would notallow me to do. No different than
my first business. I flew 2million miles and then all of a sudden
developed a fear of flying.And then when I finally left the

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business, I got on a plane amonth later. So the universe has
pushed me into a corner, sortof say, to get to this point where
I'm discussing this with you.So to find someone truly neutral.
I mean, I like you, Republicanor Democrat, what do you think it
like? People are always goingto say they're middle of the road.
Maybe they're libertarianwhile I'm conservative fiscally and

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I'm Democratic. This way. No,legitimately, like, are you neutral?
That's going to probably be aunique person to find. But I think
we could find a good amount ofpeople, male and female, that could
fall in line with that. Andmaybe that's where my value is going
to come in, is for thebusiness helping whatever business
hires me, but then consultingin a sense, and helping more people

(31:08):
find that. And because of myneutrality, I will know almost immediately.
Let me, let me mute real quickhere, hold on. Almost immediately.
If they're neutral enough tobe in this position now, what is
everyone thinking when theywatch this man, you're judging. Well,
let me tell you something. Thewall's white. Is. Am I judging the

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wall? I'm not judging you. I'mnot judging neutrality or not. I
don't. I Can't say thisenough. I don't have a dog in the
fight. I don't care. That'swhere my power comes in. That's where
the unique combination ofskills come from. That's why I left
that business behindbegrudgingly because it had all the
money and all the securitywith it. And then I met this weird

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guy that my teacher, that Ihad no spiritual background, no religious
background. So the universehad this plan and it's here. I would
say that finding this positionlike this, having individuals like
you being okay talking aboutit on your podcast shows me the world's
ready.
Yeah.
And that's incredibly valuablefor whatever company sees this and

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says we want to be the first.And I'm going to take advantage of
that. And I would love to helpother companies find individuals
because they're out there.They're out there. They're. They,
they have my set of skills andthey have not left the world behind.
And money's not for the birdsand they don't hate capitalism. They're
not trying to tear anythingdown. They understand there's this
natural flow of this shift.And that natural shift is like a

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22 year old turning 23. Wedon't need a teacher. Just 365 days
later we turn 23 and nothingelse changes and everything's okay.
That is consciousness. There'sa natural shift and we will be able
to help people understand that.
Charley, I could talk to youabout this forever because I think
it's a really, I think it'ssuch a very key point that, that

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companies are facing, thatpeople are facing right now. So tell
everybody where, where can ourlisteners find you and learn more
and connect more.
I, I like to keep it simple.So I'll give you the Link for my
LinkedIn. And the reason I dothe LinkedIn is because it's an ongoing
communication and conversationand comments of what a CCO is. Also

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what it's not. So when I postfour or five times a week, it's how
a CCO would be a secret weaponto the C Suite. It is not a wellness
program. Consciousness is notspiritual. It's an ongoing conversation
that they can watch. BecauseI'm assuming companies are watching
now saying this kid's crazy orthis guy's crazy. Consciousness is
spiritual. And then they startto really read. They see the comments,
they see interviews that Itruly am so appreciative of people

(33:45):
like you allowing it to be.When they hear the details of it
and it's spoken out for 30minutes and nothing trips me up.
No skeptical comments, noquestions that are meant to, to,
in a sense, trip me up, pushme. When they hear that so naturally
come out of me, they're goingto say, holy, this is exactly what
we need, right?

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All right, so listeners, Iwant you to connect with Charley,
talk about consciousness andgo to LinkedIn, connect with him,
read the post, follow andtruly connect. Because, you know,
the world needs to if we wantto talk about it. And just from the
simple side of elevatingenergy within companies and creating

(34:29):
more positive impact, this isa great access point to that. So
I'm hoping that as listeners,that you have gotten some great information
and insight out of this. Iknow that I have. So, again, connect
with Charley. This is theUnstoppable Leadership Spotlight
podcast. I thank you forlistening. Please hit subscribe and

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please share this episode withyour friends and colleagues. Because
the greater we can make moreamazing leaders, the better the world
will be. And if we can raisethe energy level of the world, oh
my God, just imagine howawesome it would be. So, again, thank
you, Charley, again, for beinga great guest. And thank you, listeners,
for listening.
Thank you.