August 23, 2024 • 38 mins
Ever wonder how someone can turn their passion for sports into a profitable career? Mazi VS joins us to share his incredible journey from a Vegas newbie to a prominent figure in the sports betting world. We kick off by exploring his background, discussing how he built his company, Mazi Picks, to offer specialized betting advice. Mazi opens up about his methods for selecting winning picks and managing a substantial bankroll, including a recent thrilling bet where he risked $300,000 and walked away with $317,000 in profit.
Curious about the nitty-gritty of sports betting strategies? We dive into the importance of understanding betting lines and debunk some common myths about rigged games. From the thrill of betting on football and basketball to the complexities of college sports, Mazi offers insights that any sports enthusiast can appreciate. We also touch on crucial topics like bankroll management and gambling arbitrage, comparing the experiences of betting online versus physical casinos.
But it's not all about numbers and strategies. Mazi and I also talk about the perks of living in Las Vegas, from the networking opportunities to the city's vibrant dining scene and business landscape. We wrap up with a discussion on influencer branding and social media, sharing tips on building a genuine personal brand and recounting a memorable music collaboration with Jim Jones. Whether you're a seasoned bettor or just curious about the world of sports gambling, this episode promises a comprehensive and engaging look at the many facets of this high-stakes industry.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to Vegas Circle Podcast with your hosts,
paki and Chris.
We are people who arepassionate about business,
success and culture, and this isour platform to showcase the
people in our city who make ithappen.
On today's podcast, we're goingto be diving into the world of
professional sports betting,exploring the ins and outs and
how we can make some seriousmoney.
Please join us in welcoming theface of sports betting.
We got Mazzy VS man, so thanksfor joining the circle, brother.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Appreciate you, man.
Yes, sir, no problem man.
So shout out to G6, man, we gotto let him know.
He in the room, everythinghappens.
Yeah, man, my guy G6.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Friend of the show.
I think he was on our pod maybeabout two or three years ago.
Okay, so definitely beenkeeping tabs on him and I
appreciate him connecting us,but let's jump right in.
Man.
So you Sports Ben King man.
Yes, sir, how long have youactually been Sports, ben?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I've been Sports Ben, I'd say professionally for
maybe like seven, eight yearsnow.
Okay, seven, eight years now,okay, yeah, it's been a minute,
so I don't know nothing aboutsports at all.
You don't even watch footballto tell you something.
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Busy man.
You know what it was so likewhen I first I moved here in
Vegas in 07.
So I've been here 17 years.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, but I had made like this in my mind, like I
didn't even gamble before Imoved here.
Oh really, I didn't playnothing, nothing at all.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Nah, I mean I did a little car and see an NBA.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I pretty much like started like gambling seriously
when I moved to Vegas.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, oh, interesting .
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Is that because, like just the lights, the glitz, of
glamour?
No, I just did it and then tookit to a whole nother level.
Oh fun, yeah, yeah, that'sridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So let's talk about this.
Mozzy Picks, right?
So Mozzy Picks is technicallyyour company.
Right, that's my company.
Yeah, so that's how you helppeople consult with them.
Pretty much a whole menu ofproducts, right, correct?
Yeah, you probably walk usthrough that.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, pretty much Mozzy Picks.
So pretty much I pretty muchjust give people the winners.
We won a day.
We had Astros today.
We won a day.
So you know that was myexclusive player day, so that
was a good day.
So, yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, I got a different packageVIP clients I got exclusive
clients.
So if you're a smaller playerlooking to build up a bankroll,
vip plays out for you.
(02:17):
If you're a bigger player, yougot a big bankroll looking to
slam my best player of the day,that's my exclusive player.
So I got different package forall different types of bankrolls
.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, so what are they betting?
Are they betting from whateverthey have in their budget,
whatever I give them?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I give them a bankroll system where most
people don't follow it.
They bet whatever they want tobet.
So I still give it out, justwhere you can't blame me, okay,
I still give out a bankrollmanagement system, but most
people just bet.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I didn't want to bet, you know how do you like find
these picks right?
Is it inside?
Is how you feeling about it?
Is there a lot of work thatgoes into oh?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
yeah, well, now I've been doing it so long every day,
uh, now I could pretty muchwake up, you know 10, 15, 20
minutes and know what game I'mgoing to like.
That's going to be my big gamefor the day.
So yeah, we just had we had awe on a nice little run.
Right now I just had a big game.
I just dropped the day in thelife on YouTube.
So, yeah, we had a big big game, like it was playing the
(03:20):
Rangers and Red Sox was theunderdog.
It was like plus three, it waslike plus 107.
At Circa, it was plus 105 atCaesars and I had $300,000 on
that game.
So, I won like $317,000 profit$300,000 on that game.
Yeah, that's crazy.
That was crazy, man.
(03:41):
That was crazy.
I posted a ticket on my socialmedia.
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I posted a ticket on my social media.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
That's crazy, yeah, $300.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
That was a big game.
That's scary.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And they stored the game down 2-0.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Oh man.
So you know, do you double upafter that, like once you start
getting down, you're like oh man, I'm still feeling this.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Nah, it was a lot of money already on it.
So so that was a big game, butI liked the pitcher and even
though he was a losing pitcher,he pitched good against the
Rangers.
So you know, at the end of theRangers pitcher he had a better
record but he wasn't that good.
So you know, you got to reallyknow the pitch because sometimes
in baseball, especially likeyou'll have a pitcher, he might
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have a losing record but hepitched, you know good, against
that particular team, so team,so yeah, it's just all those
things I'll do.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
yeah, it kind of like you know this, the funding
right, like is it the businessmodel?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
or you, this is like your money, you're out there
putting on the line like is thatpeople investing in you?
Oh no, I have no man.
I wish I had to invest in thisall my money, yeah, all my money
.
So pretty much the only thingpeople like they just pay me for
the plays, but like me, betting, that's you know.
That's all to me, yeah, yeah Iwish a lot of people ask me that
don't like do I wish I neverhad invested?
Never, yeah, I wish I am.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I'm jealous, people do have it I gotta ask right,
like I would lose my mindwatching that game to be in my
seat.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Like I have to come back and see you later.
You have a lot of patience,like are you I've been doing it
for so long, man, so yeah it's.
I mean I honestly, you knowthat's kind of like not even my
biggest, like I had over twomillion on the super bowl.
Like they don't let you betthat much, you know, like on a
regular game, but like superbowl there's so much money
coming in, it lets you slamwhatever you want to slam.
So I like super bowl justbecause they will let you bet.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Like, if you want to bet huge, they'll let you get it
in on the super bowl, that's'swhat I was going to ask, like
you know, because do they havelimits on what you can bet?
Yeah, because obviously thesecasinos are in there making
money.
Yeah, they have limits.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, they have limits.
I mean I'm pretty much bannedfrom MGM, like they don't want
to even take my place.
No more, literally.
That's in the new day in lifetoo.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I went over there trying none of them don't even
want to take.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
They won't take my bets at all.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Why, though, because?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I spanked them too much, man.
So now I mean I still gotonline accounts.
So I got like nine differentonline accounts, you know.
And then I got like, if Ireally just need to bet in Vegas
, you know there's a couple ofbooks that are still letting me
get some action in, but yeah, sothey win, it happens I was.
I was a non-believer at first.
People used to tell me that,like you know, yo, you know you
(06:06):
don't escape.
I said I don't bang becausethey would let me get action in
so frequently.
But yeah, I got that email oneday and yeah it's a done deal.
It is they don't want.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah so is that kind of the model, then you really
have to get a lot of accounts.
So once you become a greatbetter you really the whole goal
at that point is like I need toget you know 15, 20, 100
accounts.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
So I can spread it out.
Yeah, you can.
Yeah, you just need more tomarry you.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, the more to marry, yeah the first time I had
ever heard about was Dana White, right?
I heard Dana White talkingabout being banned from
different casinos and I'm likewhat's the point?
But it's because you're winningso much.
That's what Chris was sharingwith me.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, I've been with Dana before.
Um, we gambled.
Uh, one night we was at RedRock one night it was like maybe
like a month or two ago andyeah, he don't really do too
much sports, he's more likeblackjack and, you know, black,
like table games.
But yeah, he put some big moneydown, though, like $100,000,
$200,000 on, just like on hands.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
So yeah, you don't gamble the table games and
things like that, not big moneyjust for fun, Like I got some
friends in town.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We just, you know, hanging out in the casinos.
I might put a little bit on it.
But honestly, man, the tablegame, they got too much of an
edge, Just like you're going toget smoked Simple.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That's the reason why they're a billion dollar
resource.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, so like when did you knowyou were good?
So seven you're like okay,people need to listen to me.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
When I first started, ben and I had like I only moved
to Vegas.
I had like $50,000.
Where'd?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
you move from.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
When I was moved.
I was in Atlanta when I movedto Vegas but yeah, and pretty
much I had turned like a $50,000bankroll to like $300,000.
And like literally, man, it waslike when I was like maybe just
a few days, maybe like a week,five, four, five days, and yeah,
and after that I was prettymuch hooked because I have never
seen 300,000 just like that.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So yeah, because you like, like sports, always, like,
always been a sports fan.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, I always been a sports fan, played sports since
I was like four years old.
So I always been into sportsand I always watch sports.
Like I'm really a sports head,I don't really watch too much TV
, like I don't watch episodes ofPower or none of that, I just
pretty much watch sports.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I literally was going to be my next question.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
literally studying it all.
You must have it at your house.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, I just watch it .
Yeah, I got a lot of TVs overto sports, but yeah, I really
just study it and you know, onceyou watch it and you know it,
and you just study it 24-7,you're going to get good at it.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Okay, so yeah, and how important are the lines?
Like when you're really tryingto determine the lines tell you
everything.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
See, a lot of people think that's smart.
You said that See, the linestell you everything.
Like the lines tell youeverything.
That's the money, that's themoney.
So if you know how to read thelines, you know how to make
money.
So I could look at the linesLike literally I don't really
look at the games, sometimes Ilook at the pictures and stuff
like that.
But if I like the picture and Ilook at the line, like they had
(08:53):
a better prime example, when Ibaked that big money on the Red
Sox, they had the better picture, the Rangers the better picture
and there was a low linepitcher and there was a low line
they were like minus 125, soI'm like hold up, they got a
better pitcher and they onlyminus 125.
So that helped me even.
I love the other pitcher on thelosing pitcher, but you got a
losing pitcher on the mound andyou got a better pitcher, but
they only minus 125 so, yeah,it's just the lines that watch
(09:16):
those lines, because I, you know, I have a buddy of mine.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
He has like a screen with like three screens.
He just watched like a tickerall day long.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
yeah, I, I watched it like that.
But I just wake up and justlook at the lines and I can just
look at the lines and just tell, like something fishy about
this.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So do you feel like back in the day, like Michael
Jordan, right?
Okay.
For example, right, big gambleryeah, we've all heard the
stories.
Yeah, do you feel like peoplewill give up the game because
they see certain lines on there?
Do you think there's a behindthe scenes setup where you know
for sure, okay, they're going tomess up.
They're going to mess up forsure because there's too much
money on the line for thisparticular game Like it's a
(09:49):
setup.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Like it's a setup?
Yeah, like it's a setup.
Do I think the game may berigged?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, being rigged no .
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Because, honestly, sportsbooks don't care enough to
rig it, because they just wantmoney coming on both sides as
long as there's money coming onboth sides, that's all the
sportsbook care about.
They're not fixing the line,they're not fixing the games.
As long as there's money comingon both sides, that's all the
sportsbook care about.
They don't care about if a teamwin or lose.
As long as they got moneycoming on both sides, they good.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
They're going to make money, Don't?
They make the money in themiddle the difference, Like so
the difference between the lineand what the losing team and the
winning team is betting.
They make the money in themiddle of the separation.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
What do you?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
mean Because isn't there like a spread difference?
Yeah, it's a spread, yeah,between the two different.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, that's why they want money to come in on both
sides.
That's why if you see a linemove I mean the sportsbook and
the line makers are tricky manThey'll have it where they
literally, if they need moneycoming on another team let's say
a team come in and they'retheir favorite minus one six
then they know they're going towin They'll drop their line down
and make you think that, okay,money's come in on the opposite
team when it's really not.
(10:52):
But they just want people tocome back.
That's it.
Long as the money coming onboth sides, that's all the
sports will care about.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
What's like your favorite sport Is it?
You look at like boxing and UFCand stuff like that.
Or you look, yeah, I likefootball, basketball, yeah, I
like all sports.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Uh, personally I like all sports, like to watch, like
I'm like boxing, ufc, allsports.
But the bit I like, uh, boxing,is kind of hard to beat box
because the lines be sooutrageous.
So, yeah, so they had, like youknow, you might like Terrence
Crawford.
I think he was like minus 2,000, so you put, you know, I put,
2,000 dollars and so it's likeyeah, it's nothing, but I like.
UFC I'm real good at UFC.
(11:27):
We had some big UFC cards thisyear.
Hockey I love hockey.
I love NFL.
I love baseball.
Those are my top sports Hockeyand NFL and baseball.
Baseball is everyday money.
Nhl when it starts is everydaymoney, but NFL everybody loves
to bet football.
(11:47):
Football is when everybody wantto bet Super Bowl.
Yeah, nfl, right around thecorner, so we about to slam it.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
What about college?
Are you looking at collegesports too, or just strictly
professional?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I love college basketball more than I like.
I like watching both, but asfar as betting, I like betting
college basketball a little bitbetter than college football.
College football is a littletough, like it's a little tough.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So 51 by 50 yeah, like the spreads are high and
you know you got the.
You know the dude might havebroken with his girlfriend and
you know they still ain'tprofessionals, man you know, so
you know they go through you,they go through you, know they
go through a little differentstuff in college.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So I don't feel comfortable putting two, three
hundred grand on a collegestudent man, like you know and
you know the more popular thesport like football, are those
lines just a lot tighter thanmaybe an unpopular sport.
Well, the lines are not reallymuch tighter, but the lines are
like, I guess, when NFL, whenit's like a little bit more
popular, like it's kind of goodbecause the sports will let you
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get more money on those games.
So you know, in more popularsports, like as far as like NFL,
you know they will let you getsome big money on NFL games
because, like I said, money'scoming on both sides.
So as long as the money comingon both sides.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's all the sports will care about, you know,
because they're going to makemoney.
You set yourself like I'm a bigbudget person, I'm sorry
spending $200, $300 but, do youset yourself up like, okay, I
got a certain budget I'm goingto spend today, like that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
As far as like money, put money aside to bet yeah, no
matter how big your bankrollyou can be a billionaire you
still got to have a budget.
You still got to have a budgetbecause I mean, when you bet
especially with $200, $300, youcan lose.
Let's say, you're putting fourgames, you're down a million
dollars that quick, just offfour games.
So, yeah, you got to have abankroll.
Bankroll management is reallymore important than winning.
(13:34):
Okay, you know so, managingyour bankroll the smaller the
bankroll, the more you got tomanage.
But no matter what yourbankroll is if it's $1,000 to $1
million, you still got tomanage it, no matter.
There's no in between.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Are you betting every day or is it like you wait
until you get a good feeling fora game?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I bet, even if I'm like, do I bet $300?
No, not every day, but you know, when I have a game that I
really, really love, yeah, Ihammer so pretty much.
I'm pretty much been somethingevery day.
You know what I'm saying, so,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So, like, how do you like so somebody that's not as
knowledgeable?
Like, let's say, I'm looking ata game, right?
Okay, how are you pricestrategizing?
Like, okay, maybe I put 50 000on this, 200 on this, 300 000 on
this.
Like, how do you know the when,when to go?
Yeah, like, when, the?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
yeah, when to go big, it's just really man, it's just
like when honestly or you canfeel it and then like when
everything lines up, like I havea different, like I have a
little strategy, like wheneverything is lines up and all
the all my angles lines up and Ijust it's just, everything's
just perfect, kind of I don'twant to go too much once
everything lines up that's why Ilike yeah, I'm going big today,
(14:48):
yeah and you know I'm sure tosee a lot more pop up as
arbitrage.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Are you familiar with the gambling arbitrage?
No, it's where you are playingthe lines like so I go to circa
and my line's 105 and I go to oh, yeah, yeah, and I play in the
middle.
So I may only I bet 2000, 2000.
I may win $90, but it's aguaranteed $90.
Hmm, I never heard of that one.
Oh yeah, we'll talk after yeah,I never heard.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It's a whole thing.
I never heard of that one.
It's pretty it's prettyinteresting, but you see, it's
like it's a guaranteed it, butyou, but it's an automatic win
your automatic win as long asyou're betting at two different
casinos, and they all set eachother got it okay as long as the
line shifts are a little oh,okay.
Okay, I mean it's kind ofsimilar to like not really I
(15:29):
don't know, because, like at thelines were different.
When I went to the circa, thenI went to the caesar's palace,
it was like yeah, because youknow they'll drop them a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Right, you go to go to one.
It's minus six.
You go over here.
It's minus three.
Yeah, they will so now you'replaying the difference on both
sides and you're arbitraging thetwo against each other,
essentially.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That's crazy, I never heard of that one.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
That's crazy, I never heard that either.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
That's crazy.
I'm starting to see more andmore in Vegas, it seems like.
I mean sports betting hasgotten so big.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I don't even know what the pots are, probably
internationally.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But how does it work in Vegas?
Right, Like?
We have DraftKings here, butDraftKings you can't bet at a
DraftKings.
That's strictly online, right,DraftKings?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Do Vegas have DraftKings?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Well their corporate office is here but you can't bet
.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, you can't bet on DraftKings here.
They drive Kings.
I don't think they have aFanDuel, which I do love FanDuel
.
I go to New York a lot, so Ilove FanDuel.
I love the way they have theirsports book.
I love their lines.
I love their own line.
I love everything about FanDuel.
So shout out to FanDuel.
I smack them when I go to NewYork.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
But shout out to, they're in Jersey, they have a.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
FanDuel sports book here at one of the uh, freemont
casinos, do they really?
Yeah, okay, I can't rememberwhich one, though okay, so when
you're doing your, your betsright, you can bet online plus
in the casino.
Yeah, so if I wanted to bet ontwo games, like I want to bet on
whoever it is, raiders orwhatever it is, I can bet online
a amount, bet in the casino,and it might be different.
Whatever you call lines whereyou can get paid more right.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Uh, sometimes, yeah sometimes the lines you gotta
shop lines, but sometimes thelines do be different.
Uh, so you might get like a,let's say you might have one
game at the casinos.
It might be, let's say, minus130.
Then you going online, it mightbe minus 125.
So it, the lines usually arepretty much almost the same, but
it might be a little off whichyou know, a minus 30, 130 and a
minus 125.
So it, the lines usually arepretty much almost the same, but
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it might be a little off whichyou know, a minus 30, 130 and a
minus 125.
That's a difference, that's abig difference.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
So you know you've been in the big numbers like,
yeah, exactly, it's a bigdifference.
You prefer like a money linespread or a point spread a money
line, uh, it's just a.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I mean baseball I I usually just take.
I like money lines, like eitherlike I really don't like you
know, like, yeah, a lot ofpeople, you know I like
underdogs in baseball a lot too,because I mean underdogs win
every day.
I literally look at their linestoday and just see how many
underdogs probably hit.
But yeah, I like underdogs inbaseball.
But to answer your question, Ilike I like I like money lines,
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yeah, and you know, and uh, whenit comes to baseball, it's just
a penalty sports too, moneylines baseball, but I like
spreads when it comes to nflthat makes sense.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, because the money lines you have more
potential for a bigger win.
Right, because if you'rebetting underdogs you're more
likely to.
Yeah, if you just bet thestraight money line.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, because if you bend the spread on the underdog,
I wish they got a win by acertain amount.
You just win like minus 110.
So you know you put a hundreddollars that wins like 90 bucks.
So yeah, then if you would havewent through with the underdogs
just went out right 100 mightwin like two, three hundred.
So yeah, I love underdogs, man.
So that's how you really whenin sports been you really when I
(18:31):
first started sports.
That's why I can always tell,like a beginner sports better a
handicapper, like they alwaysbet the favorites, like when.
That's what I did.
The same thing when I firststarted I was betting favorites.
Find out the favorites oh, youmight have 200.
They pose a win.
Oh man, you'll get smoked likethat.
I've been doing this so long.
The value the money is in theunderdogs.
(18:52):
They win all the time Underdogs.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You got to find those underdogs.
You make me want to gamble.
Wanna gamble, man?
I swear to god, even with thebig Super Bowl win.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
That was an underdog oh yeah very true and.
I'm a diehard Niners fan and Iwas at the Super.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Bowl and you bet on the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I bet on the Chiefs, yeah, and I had, and I'm a
diehard Niners fan, but I justI'm not been against Patrick
Mahomes, like he, yeah, he like,yeah he different, he special.
And he was underdogs too, likeI think.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I think it was like plus yeah, plus money yeah, so
can you like watch a game liveand just be calm if you got
$300,000 on a game, yeah, whenit's winning.
That's what I'm saying.
That's hard, that's hard towatch.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, when it's, I go to a lot of games I have money
on.
Do you really?
Yeah, I think I would sit athome.
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I could beat it.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I'd probably break something.
I went to a game I had some bigmoney on and it didn't go the
way I wanted.
I think I had like $100,000.
Oh man, I remember that night Ihad $100,000.
It was on the Vegas Knightshockey game and they posed me it
(20:05):
was a line I shit, I don't evenbet like big lines like it was
a minus 210, which I'm thinkinglike, okay, there's minus 210,
I'm going to the game.
Let me just, you know, throw ahundred.
I threw a hundred thousand onit and, uh, I think it was when
I was minus 210, so it'sprobably gonna win.
Like I think, maybe like 50 Iforgot what 60 000, maybe 40, 56
, 000, like that.
And, um, to make a long storyshort, I went to the game.
It was a blowout loser from thestart.
Literally.
It was playing a VancouverCanucks and I think this was
like two, three years ago.
(20:26):
So Canucks, they sucked thatyear, so they supposed to blow
them out.
I think Vegas Knights was likehot, they supposed to blow them,
yeah or win a.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Stanley Cup.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I think they did.
And they supposed to blow themout.
So I went to the game.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I get there first, so I'm like five minutes later,
getty already down five zero,like what.
How they scored five.
It was a blowout losing.
So yeah, y'all probably gotarrested.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, there's no way you know so yeah, I like, I like
going to some of the games thatI've been I've been honestly
I've been doing for, like I said, I've been doing for so long so
it really like honestly, Idon't really like you know but
even that moment, yeah, I feellike I don't know, maybe it's
just me because I'm not a hugegame like pocket.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
but that moment I feel like I don't know, maybe
it's just me because I'm not ahuge fan of hockey, but that
moment where you're like, damn,I just lost 100.
You know, like, contemplate itand think for a second.
You have that pit in yourstomach.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Nah, because I know it's a tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
That's true, yeah, yeah it's a tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But the biggest mistake you can make when you
lose money is just bet a randomgame that's coming on later.
That's coming on later.
So let's say that game was like4 o'clock.
Let's say I lose 100 and let'ssay it's another game coming on
at 7.
Most people the first imps.
Let me see what game.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, sure, let me double up.
Try to make it back.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
See, that's what a lot of people make a mistake.
Don't chase a loss Like thenext day.
You'll have a better outlook ontomorrow's game.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I can see just from talking with you you're very
disciplined.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I can tell you're very strategic, very disciplined
.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
But like who's like, mentorship is big for me,
coaching things like that.
Are there people in your earthat are like no, don't do that?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I don't see, I've never been lucky to have nobody
in my ear man, really Never,like I've never been lucky to
have someone.
I mean, you know I have my momand dad, but they're not like
business as far as, like theydon't know about my business so
they can't really give me toomuch.
You know, can short thecrystals about my business.
So sure, um, you know I talkedto them about personal things,
(22:17):
but like I never had nobody likebusiness, you know to teach me
no, never, yeah, yeah, never.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It was just yeah, I wish I did you know, but the
money you make you probably hiresomebody to mentor you and say
look, I need you to put.
Show me what to do with thismoney.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's like the ultimate goalthen?
Right, because is gamblingsomething you do for the rest of
your life?
That's gotta be nerve wracking.
It's stressful, yeah, it'sstressful.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I mean, even if I'm not in a game, I still can do
the sports consulting business.
So I do that, I do a couplelittle investments, I do music
for fun Do you really Okay, youactually an artist or you make
music?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I'm an artist.
I guess you can say I'm anartist Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Like I said, it's just something I do just just
for fun, so I got a new songright now I'm dropping with jim
jones, do you really?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
yeah, I got a song with jim jones.
Yeah, I lived in the east coastfor a while, so yeah, yeah,
yeah, so yeah, I got a song withjim jones.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
we did it in new york , uh like two weeks ago, so I'm
I'm laying it goes, uh.
It comes out on august 16th onall platforms Maz Viez featuring
Jim Jones.
Take all bets, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
That's fire man, yeah , how you connect with him.
Jim is a beast man, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Jim is a beast man.
I've been a fan honestly, I'vebeen a fan of Dipset since
whatever you know, since young,and I was really a huge fan of
Cameron at first.
Cam's here, right, yeah, fan ofCameron at first.
Cam's here right, yeah, cam'shere.
But I'm not going to lie overthe years I think Jim got better
than Cam Rapping-wise,rapping-wise.
So I just thought, honestly,that's a tough debate.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah man, that's a tough debate.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I've just been a big fan of them.
We linked up my boy Mike.
He pretty much got me in thestudio with Heat, heat makers,
I'm pretty sure you know.
Yeah, and Jim was there thatnight and we talked.
They already knew who I was.
They, you know, he, the guyslike, oh, he's sports band guy,
you know whatever.
So he knew I was.
So we chopped it up.
I told him yeah, we're gonna doa song tomorrow.
(24:13):
We did a song.
The race is history, that'swhat's up?
we're shooting the video outthere in New York.
I shot half of the video outhere.
Then I'm shooting another halfin Harlem.
We're gonna shoot it by likethis week.
Man, I was just in New York.
I absolutely love New York wejust took my kids to the
Brooklyn Museum and did AliciaKeys and their museum with Swiss
Beats.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
What part of New York so we stayed in Manhattan, but
we went all around Brooklynwhere are you from?
Oh no no, no, I'm originallyfrom Chicago, but I lived in New
York.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I love New York too.
It's a vibe, it's a straight up.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You got a real culture over there.
I feel like every time you goout, you feel it, you feel it.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, as soon as you get there you damn near feel
like you as soon as you getthere it's just like you're
literally supposed to dosomething.
It keeps your energy up and yourealize?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
that's why everybody got to have 20 jobs when they
live there.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I love it.
It's beautiful, it's awonderful city.
I love it 100%.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Let's talk about branding a little bit.
Right, you built an amazingbrand.
Appreciate that Right YouTube.
Now You're building up yourYouTube noticed you've
organically built where you'redoing the day in the life, which
a lot of people really like,right?
What's your perspective on that, on the new influencer and what
you should show and what youshould not show?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I feel like it just depends on what you branding.
It just really depends on whatyou branding.
I feel like, honestly, like Imean you just got to to know
what your brand is.
And I mean I feel like, ifyou're artists, I feel like you
have no limits.
I feel like I feel you can'thave no limits.
You can't be scared to showthis.
You can't be scared, you justgotta go all out.
Honestly, you can't have.
(25:51):
If you're like nervous, don'tbe an influencer.
You know, I'm saying that's my,that's my advice.
If you, if you're reallyserious about being a influencer
, you can't have no filter.
You just got to do what youwant to do.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, those are the ones who pop Like if you're like
nervous, I'm scared, or thisman.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
you just got to go all out and just be prepared and
simple, that's all you got todo.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah, the most successful ones, like you said,
make their own lane right, yeah,that's what makes people
intrigued about it.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Like you can't just be following.
You know what I'm saying.
You can buy fake followers.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I love you talking about this.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
But you can't buy a following, bro.
You know what I'm saying.
Even with fake followers,people are going to know when
you post that these aren't real.
You can't buy engagement, bro.
So it's like, honestly, youjust got to organically build it
, you just got to be you andwhoever going to like it like it
, whoever ain't, you know yougot to enjoy the haters.
(26:45):
Enjoy the positive comments andyou love the negatives too.
Enjoy.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You don't know how much I'm happy you just said
that right now because we mywife and we were just talking
about that We've been buildingthis for six years, right 2018.
And that was something we werelooking at.
We've never bought, never didthat because people are going to
feel your energy, yeah, they'regoing to feel that you're real
and it's so funny like chrisoriginally from detroit, I'm
originally from chicago and thatwas one of the biggest things
is like, how do we build theculture and not build the
(27:11):
culture?
Show the culture, yeah, ofvegas, you know, organically and
um, and if we did that, we'renot fake people.
So we gotta show like the realright and people could see that.
So I'm happy you said that, man, man because, people know.
I mean, they see the engagement,they see what's real, yeah, so
where do you think it, where doyou think it goes, man?
Because Instagram is startingto lose a lot of its algorithms.
(27:31):
I don't know.
I keep hearing a lot ofdifferent stuff, man.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I hear a lot, my girl says a lot, she sees like
she'll tell me like Instagram isgoing to be going in for me
anyway, like.
So I guess like TikTok is thenew TikTok's the one.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
That's what everybody's talking about now
they say TikTok is the one.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, they say it's easier to go viral now which I'm
not going to lie.
I just posted a video.
I did a video.
It got like my highest view.
It got like 6 million views onthere and it I literally just
posted like a little vlog of myday in the life from YouTube.
It did like 170,000, like oneday.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
So TikTok me neither.
I don't know how it works, butit works it works.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Tiktok is good, so yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
They say that's going to cancel right.
Well, there's a possibility,because the government is trying
to ban it, but they're going tosell it to somebody else like
Microsoft.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
But I don't think TikTok is going nowhere.
Yeah, they're going to sell itto somebody else, like a
Microsoft, but I don't thinkTikTok is going nowhere.
Yeah, tiktok ain't goingnowhere.
I don't think it is.
It's too.
I mean people music-wise right.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I mean the people getting paid off music just for
coming out with a whatever danceor whatever it is.
Yeah, the TikTok dance.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, it's big People's not going to probably
buy TikTok.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Right, right so.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Instagram is losing some of it, doesn't have the
same pop as what was, and if, inthe reason why I say that is if
you see the ceo of instagramcoming on to talk about it,
there's obviously got to be aproblem, right?
Because he's doing videos ofhey, you should try this, you
should try that.
So obviously people havecomplained a lot about it, or
why would you be on your?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
instagram talking about it, right, so it's got to
be a problem, yeah you know, butI don't know I like it.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I like it because it's easy enough.
He likes Facebook.
I'm on Facebook.
I'm a news guy.
I can't stand Facebook.
I'm on some.
I read my news articles it tookme a minute.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think I had everything except my Facebook
for a long time I got a.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Facebook now, but yeah so I was going to ask you,
just piggybacking about Mikewith the Mozzie pics, like Do
you consult with them, likeface-to-face or calls, or how do
you consult with them?
Is it more just getting thepics?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, they just sign up and I get them the pics.
If they need anything, I have acustomer support team.
Okay, you have a what, I'msorry, a customer support team,
okay, okay.
So yeah, they need, like any, Iguess, further help or
information, that's what I wasgetting at.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
How can you spread your time?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
They only really need help when they're losing.
When they're winning, nobodyneeds to talk.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
That's why I like winning.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Winning just makes everything easier when you're
winning.
Nobody got questions, nobodyasking you nothing.
The comments are coming ingreat, everything is just
they're telling their friends.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Oh my God, Everybody's energy is up.
Everybody's energy is up.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Usually people want to talk and say something when
you lose it so long as you, yeah.
So yeah, usually yeah, but Ihave a coach support team who
helps me out, um, you know.
So everything is pretty muchsimple.
I, you know I got my.
You know I'm on wapcom andthey're pretty much day.
That's how you, you know, viewmy plays and you sign up there
and once you sign up, you justfollow instructions and you get
(30:19):
get in my chat simple yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
So what would you say to somebody like, just simple,
you know they wanted they comingto Vegas this weekend, right?
What would you suggest to themto do if they wanted to spend,
you know, let's say, a thousanddollars?
I want to try to come up likeeverybody wants to do when they
come to Vegas.
What would you share with them?
Just one simple tip, justfollow me.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, pretty much simple.
Just follow me and.
I'll get you right, I meanhonestly.
I have people who just come toVegas just to gamble, just in
particular.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Simple, just to sports bet with me.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
So they come to Vegas , they just to sports bet with
me and yeah, that's pretty muchthe only reason they come.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So where do you see the future of Vegas going, man?
You enjoying it out here.
You like the growth and youlike what's happening yeah, I
like it.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I like it a lot.
I'm honestly, man, I'm lookinglike, I'm looking just to have a
like, just probably like I loveVegas.
I always have a space here, butI don't know, I think I want to
move to New York just to, yeah,man, some spots, okay, I don't
want, like a penthouse somewherethere, but, uh, I like vegas.
Man, vegas is cool.
I've been out here for so long,though how long you been here?
(31:26):
17 now, yeah, but this is.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
This is like home for me now I hated it.
When I first moved for real, Ididn't like it at all.
It's cool.
It's cool, I like it, I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I like vegas, though man.
Vegas is uh, I mean.
It's one thing about vegas is.
One thing I do love about vegasis a growing city.
It's always some new coming.
It's a money city.
It's the only city you reallycan come and maybe have 20 bucks
in your pocket and leave outwith 1,000.
It's the only city you can dothat.
I like it.
It's a pretty much safe city.
(31:55):
I agree.
Yeah, I like Vegas.
It's a clean city.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
It's very clean.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It's a clean city and the casinos are clean.
They know how to treat you inVegas.
For the most part, Vegas is agood city.
It's a good city.
I love Vegas.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Let's see, Wait until you go to New York and give me
that cold man.
That's why I'm on the WestCoast.
I don't mind the cold you don't.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
No, I love the cold too.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
See, I'm from Chicago and I grew up in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
So I'm used to all like four seasons back Okay, I
could deal with the cold, justthrow, you know, layer up.
You got to know how to dealwith the cold.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Some people like girls, don't know how to deal
with the cold, maybe because weshoveled and dealt with it.
Yeah, the shovel fine you gottaremember man like and I'll just
share, just go rabbit hole realquick is when you had to deal
with shoveling and waking up.
You know chicago is differentand new england.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think that's colder than new york.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well, chicago is colder but new england gets more
snow like that boston, newhampshire, maine.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I've been in chicago when it was like I went out
there it was probably three,four, four years ago and I went
out there was it was probablythree, four years ago and I went
out there it was literally thewinter and it was literally like
windy.
That's a whole different typeof cold.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
It was windy.
And Michigan too.
Michigan's horrible Negative 13, negative 10.
Yeah it was cold.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, it was cold.
Yeah yeah, shoveling snow innegative 10-degree weather is
not a good experience.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Every one of them.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, like the the networking in vegas.
That's the biggest piece thatI'm seeing.
Man is, networking is amazing.
Here, I think the networking isgood.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I mean honestly, I think it need more like I think
it need more like it need more.
Like when I go all right, it'slike this when I go to new york,
when I go to miami and placelike that, literally, bro, it's
so much content being created.
Like I went to miami, boom, Iwent to, I'm going to the
jeweler, boom, hey, this is, ifthe watch guy and he's he's
recording me, I walk out.
Another guy's recording me.
(33:46):
Later I did three differentpeople social media platforms
when I got out of and when I wasin Miami, boom, then I go to
New York, boom, I got, you gotthis person's jewelers, you got
these.
I'm doing so many differentpeople and I'm I'm doing so many
different platforms.
Vegas needs that.
Like, literally, you can walkto Vegas and you don't get no
content.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Vegas need more.
Like content creators and likepretty people that like are
doing it Cause there's so muchabout Vegas people don't know
about man.
And like people just thinkVegas is a strip, like you tell
people.
Like people are so stupid.
Like you'll tell people like Ilive in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Y'all got grocery stores there Like bro yeah, bro
yeah like people are that stupidthough, but it you know.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
but it's just like if you don a content creator,
start creating some content.
In Vegas, man Do something.
Man Show the strip Showsomething.
Man.
We need more content creators.
But I think the networking iscool, but it need more social
media content.
I see a few, though I see a fewpeople like they'll show the
different things, and I love it.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I like content creators, man, you see it more
about restaurants and stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I see that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Not so muchnothing else, Like really it's
just restaurants or gamblingyeah, gambling yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
You know, you think it's because, like people like,
for example, we're so close toHollywood in LA, right where TMZ
and you got everybody in yourface, where it's feel like when
you come to Vegas, people canrelax a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
They don't want to share their experience as much.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
That might be true.
That might be true.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Getting in trouble.
I think that should be thereason why it should be more.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Honestly you're going to catch.
In LA and different places,people are going to be on their
P's and Q's, true, but when theycome to Vegas, man, bro,
everybody is open and, bro,you'll see everybody.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I mean, I think, it should be more.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Vegas needs more content creators.
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, I like that perspective, man, even breaking
down the branding and everythingFor business advice, right,
like I know, or maybe not somuch business advice, man.
So what would you share forsomebody that maybe because you
work for yourself, correct whatwould you share for them of what
they should do if they want togo work for for themselves?
What's one tip or nugget forthem, um, that they might be
(35:57):
thinking about, you know,jumping into that lane I think,
man, if you want to work foryourself, pretty much, just do
it.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Don't ask nobody for no advice, just do it, man,
don't ask somebody.
Do you think this is gonna work?
Don't ask about nothing, justdo it.
Don't even ask your mom ornothing.
Just go do it and at the end ofthe day, if it work, it work.
If it don't, it don't.
Yeah, simple.
Don't ask nobody, nothing, justdo it like, study it and just
go full throttle.
Simple, like, because you askpeople, you know, uh, you know
their advice, good luck.
(36:24):
So, yeah, just do it.
Simple, man, just do it.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, that's real, yeah okay, we always talk about
restaurants, man in vegas.
Man, where are you eating atwhat's one gym?
Because I really want to know,because you spend a lot of money
, man man this, yeah, man, thisis one thing about Vegas too.
They got amazing food, they gotamazing food and I'm a big
foodie.
That's why I want to know whenare you eating at, whether it's
high end or hole in the wall,I'll give you a few spots.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I'll give you a few spots.
I like, if Carbone at Aria.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Carbone is fire.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Shout out to my guy over there.
They take care of me over thereevery time, that's an Aria I
like.
Carbone yeah, that's an Aria Ilike.
If you want to go to asteakhouse, you want to get that
good feel.
You want to feel like you maybe, like you want to say you're
into mobsters and you're likeJohn.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Gotti go to Golden Steer Shout out to I love it.
I gotta check that one out.
Yeah great food.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I like Golden Steer, what else I like, I like.
If you wanna go to like a goodsushi spot, I'm gonna give you a
good sushi spot in Vegas.
If you wanna go to a good go toSushi Fever yeah, this dude
Sushi Fever is my favorite sushispot on Sahara.
I get the OMG roll.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
That's hilarious okay , we, we in.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's three solid ones.
I think we just went theretoday.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yes, sushi feed was fire, so I hated sushi, my wife
I hated sushi too, because stansushi and I'm my friend and I
thought that's crazy.
I hated sushi and my wife andshout out to my guy, alan
kirkwood, that that brought meto sushi feed.
We put us on to that and that'sone of my favorite spots.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I gotta check that out.
And nobody ever brought that up, so that's great.
So we had to show them somelove, man, yeah, so Golden Steer
you said Carbone.
Sushi Fever yeah, that's.
Yeah, I like, oh, yeah, those.
Yeah, if you want some sushithere and yeah, okay, that's on,
(38:26):
man, we forgot to ask you atall.
Um, nothing, man.
If you follow me on instagramat mazzy vs mazi, mazi vs,
follow me on tiktok, mazi vs.
Um, I got a new song comingwith jim jones.
Take all bets it's droppingaugust 16th on all platforms.
We're shooting a video that'sgonna be an absolute banger.
Um, shout out to my guys atvegas circle appreciate, yeah,
man, we here, man, mazzy pics.
Appreciate it, man?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
thanks for the love man, thanks for sitting down
with us and shout out to my guysat Vegas Circle Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, man, we here, man, my Aussie picks.
Appreciate it.
Man, thanks for the love.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Man, thanks for sitting down with us and shout
out to G6 for connecting us.
Shout out to my guy, g6, man,yes sir, and check us out at
VegasCirclecom.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Man Appreciate you man.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
My man.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
That's good man.
Welcome to Vegas Circle Podcast with your hosts,
paki and Chris.
We are people who arepassionate about business,
success and culture, and this isour platform to showcase the
people in our city who make ithappen.
On today's podcast, we're goingto be diving into the world of
professional sports betting,exploring the ins and outs and
how we can make some seriousmoney.
Please join us in welcoming theface of sports betting.
We got Mazzy VS man, so thanksfor joining the circle, brother.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Appreciate you, man.
Yes, sir, no problem man.
So shout out to G6, man, we gotto let him know.
He in the room, everythinghappens.
Yeah, man, my guy G6.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Friend of the show.
I think he was on our pod maybeabout two or three years ago.
Okay, so definitely beenkeeping tabs on him and I
appreciate him connecting us,but let's jump right in.
Man.
So you Sports Ben King man.
Yes, sir, how long have youactually been Sports, ben?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I've been Sports Ben, I'd say professionally for
maybe like seven, eight yearsnow.
Okay, seven, eight years now,okay, yeah, it's been a minute,
so I don't know nothing aboutsports at all.
You don't even watch footballto tell you something.
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Busy man.
You know what it was so likewhen I first I moved here in
Vegas in 07.
So I've been here 17 years.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, but I had made like this in my mind, like I
didn't even gamble before Imoved here.
Oh really, I didn't playnothing, nothing at all.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Nah, I mean I did a little car and see an NBA.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I pretty much like started like gambling seriously
when I moved to Vegas.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, oh, interesting .
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Is that because, like just the lights, the glitz, of
glamour?
No, I just did it and then tookit to a whole nother level.
Oh fun, yeah, yeah, that'sridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So let's talk about this.
Mozzy Picks, right?
So Mozzy Picks is technicallyyour company.
Right, that's my company.
Yeah, so that's how you helppeople consult with them.
Pretty much a whole menu ofproducts, right, correct?
Yeah, you probably walk usthrough that.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, pretty much Mozzy Picks.
So pretty much I pretty muchjust give people the winners.
We won a day.
We had Astros today.
We won a day.
So you know that was myexclusive player day, so that
was a good day.
So, yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, I got a different packageVIP clients I got exclusive
clients.
So if you're a smaller playerlooking to build up a bankroll,
vip plays out for you.
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If you're a bigger player, yougot a big bankroll looking to
slam my best player of the day,that's my exclusive player.
So I got different package forall different types of bankrolls
.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, so what are they betting?
Are they betting from whateverthey have in their budget,
whatever I give them?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I give them a bankroll system where most
people don't follow it.
They bet whatever they want tobet.
So I still give it out, justwhere you can't blame me, okay,
I still give out a bankrollmanagement system, but most
people just bet.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I didn't want to bet, you know how do you like find
these picks right?
Is it inside?
Is how you feeling about it?
Is there a lot of work thatgoes into oh?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
yeah, well, now I've been doing it so long every day,
uh, now I could pretty muchwake up, you know 10, 15, 20
minutes and know what game I'mgoing to like.
That's going to be my big gamefor the day.
So yeah, we just had we had awe on a nice little run.
Right now I just had a big game.
I just dropped the day in thelife on YouTube.
So, yeah, we had a big big game, like it was playing the
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Rangers and Red Sox was theunderdog.
It was like plus three, it waslike plus 107.
At Circa, it was plus 105 atCaesars and I had $300,000 on
that game.
So, I won like $317,000 profit$300,000 on that game.
Yeah, that's crazy.
That was crazy, man.
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That was crazy.
I posted a ticket on my socialmedia.
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I posted a ticket on my social media.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
That's crazy, yeah, $300.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
That was a big game.
That's scary.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And they stored the game down 2-0.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Oh man.
So you know, do you double upafter that, like once you start
getting down, you're like oh man, I'm still feeling this.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Nah, it was a lot of money already on it.
So so that was a big game, butI liked the pitcher and even
though he was a losing pitcher,he pitched good against the
Rangers.
So you know, at the end of theRangers pitcher he had a better
record but he wasn't that good.
So you know, you got to reallyknow the pitch because sometimes
in baseball, especially likeyou'll have a pitcher, he might
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have a losing record but hepitched, you know good, against
that particular team, so team,so yeah, it's just all those
things I'll do.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
yeah, it kind of like you know this, the funding
right, like is it the businessmodel?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
or you, this is like your money, you're out there
putting on the line like is thatpeople investing in you?
Oh no, I have no man.
I wish I had to invest in thisall my money, yeah, all my money
.
So pretty much the only thingpeople like they just pay me for
the plays, but like me, betting, that's you know.
That's all to me, yeah, yeah Iwish a lot of people ask me that
don't like do I wish I neverhad invested?
Never, yeah, I wish I am.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I'm jealous, people do have it I gotta ask right,
like I would lose my mindwatching that game to be in my
seat.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Like I have to come back and see you later.
You have a lot of patience,like are you I've been doing it
for so long, man, so yeah it's.
I mean I honestly, you knowthat's kind of like not even my
biggest, like I had over twomillion on the super bowl.
Like they don't let you betthat much, you know, like on a
regular game, but like superbowl there's so much money
coming in, it lets you slamwhatever you want to slam.
So I like super bowl justbecause they will let you bet.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Like, if you want to bet huge, they'll let you get it
in on the super bowl, that's'swhat I was going to ask, like
you know, because do they havelimits on what you can bet?
Yeah, because obviously thesecasinos are in there making
money.
Yeah, they have limits.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, they have limits.
I mean I'm pretty much bannedfrom MGM, like they don't want
to even take my place.
No more, literally.
That's in the new day in lifetoo.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I went over there trying none of them don't even
want to take.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
They won't take my bets at all.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Why, though, because?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I spanked them too much, man.
So now I mean I still gotonline accounts.
So I got like nine differentonline accounts, you know.
And then I got like, if Ireally just need to bet in Vegas
, you know there's a couple ofbooks that are still letting me
get some action in, but yeah, sothey win, it happens I was.
I was a non-believer at first.
People used to tell me that,like you know, yo, you know you
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don't escape.
I said I don't bang becausethey would let me get action in
so frequently.
But yeah, I got that email oneday and yeah it's a done deal.
It is they don't want.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah so is that kind of the model, then you really
have to get a lot of accounts.
So once you become a greatbetter you really the whole goal
at that point is like I need toget you know 15, 20, 100
accounts.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
So I can spread it out.
Yeah, you can.
Yeah, you just need more tomarry you.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, the more to marry, yeah the first time I had
ever heard about was Dana White, right?
I heard Dana White talkingabout being banned from
different casinos and I'm likewhat's the point?
But it's because you're winningso much.
That's what Chris was sharingwith me.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, I've been with Dana before.
Um, we gambled.
Uh, one night we was at RedRock one night it was like maybe
like a month or two ago andyeah, he don't really do too
much sports, he's more likeblackjack and, you know, black,
like table games.
But yeah, he put some big moneydown, though, like $100,000,
$200,000 on, just like on hands.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
So yeah, you don't gamble the table games and
things like that, not big moneyjust for fun, Like I got some
friends in town.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We just, you know, hanging out in the casinos.
I might put a little bit on it.
But honestly, man, the tablegame, they got too much of an
edge, Just like you're going toget smoked Simple.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That's the reason why they're a billion dollar
resource.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, so like when did you knowyou were good?
So seven you're like okay,people need to listen to me.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
When I first started, ben and I had like I only moved
to Vegas.
I had like $50,000.
Where'd?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
you move from.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
When I was moved.
I was in Atlanta when I movedto Vegas but yeah, and pretty
much I had turned like a $50,000bankroll to like $300,000.
And like literally, man, it waslike when I was like maybe just
a few days, maybe like a week,five, four, five days, and yeah,
and after that I was prettymuch hooked because I have never
seen 300,000 just like that.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So yeah, because you like, like sports, always, like,
always been a sports fan.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, I always been a sports fan, played sports since
I was like four years old.
So I always been into sportsand I always watch sports.
Like I'm really a sports head,I don't really watch too much TV
, like I don't watch episodes ofPower or none of that, I just
pretty much watch sports.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I literally was going to be my next question.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
literally studying it all.
You must have it at your house.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, I just watch it .
Yeah, I got a lot of TVs overto sports, but yeah, I really
just study it and you know, onceyou watch it and you know it,
and you just study it 24-7,you're going to get good at it.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Okay, so yeah, and how important are the lines?
Like when you're really tryingto determine the lines tell you
everything.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
See, a lot of people think that's smart.
You said that See, the linestell you everything.
Like the lines tell youeverything.
That's the money, that's themoney.
So if you know how to read thelines, you know how to make
money.
So I could look at the linesLike literally I don't really
look at the games, sometimes Ilook at the pictures and stuff
like that.
But if I like the picture and Ilook at the line, like they had
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a better prime example, when Ibaked that big money on the Red
Sox, they had the better picture, the Rangers the better picture
and there was a low linepitcher and there was a low line
they were like minus 125, soI'm like hold up, they got a
better pitcher and they onlyminus 125.
So that helped me even.
I love the other pitcher on thelosing pitcher, but you got a
losing pitcher on the mound andyou got a better pitcher, but
they only minus 125 so, yeah,it's just the lines that watch
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those lines, because I, you know, I have a buddy of mine.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
He has like a screen with like three screens.
He just watched like a tickerall day long.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
yeah, I, I watched it like that.
But I just wake up and justlook at the lines and I can just
look at the lines and just tell, like something fishy about
this.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So do you feel like back in the day, like Michael
Jordan, right?
Okay.
For example, right, big gambleryeah, we've all heard the
stories.
Yeah, do you feel like peoplewill give up the game because
they see certain lines on there?
Do you think there's a behindthe scenes setup where you know
for sure, okay, they're going tomess up.
They're going to mess up forsure because there's too much
money on the line for thisparticular game Like it's a
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setup.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Like it's a setup?
Yeah, like it's a setup.
Do I think the game may berigged?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, being rigged no .
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Because, honestly, sportsbooks don't care enough to
rig it, because they just wantmoney coming on both sides as
long as there's money coming onboth sides, that's all the
sportsbook care about.
They're not fixing the line,they're not fixing the games.
As long as there's money comingon both sides, that's all the
sportsbook care about.
They don't care about if a teamwin or lose.
As long as they got moneycoming on both sides, they good.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
They're going to make money, Don't?
They make the money in themiddle the difference, Like so
the difference between the lineand what the losing team and the
winning team is betting.
They make the money in themiddle of the separation.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
What do you?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
mean Because isn't there like a spread difference?
Yeah, it's a spread, yeah,between the two different.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, that's why they want money to come in on both
sides.
That's why if you see a linemove I mean the sportsbook and
the line makers are tricky manThey'll have it where they
literally, if they need moneycoming on another team let's say
a team come in and they'retheir favorite minus one six
then they know they're going towin They'll drop their line down
and make you think that, okay,money's come in on the opposite
team when it's really not.
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But they just want people tocome back.
That's it.
Long as the money coming onboth sides, that's all the
sports will care about.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
What's like your favorite sport Is it?
You look at like boxing and UFCand stuff like that.
Or you look, yeah, I likefootball, basketball, yeah, I
like all sports.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Uh, personally I like all sports, like to watch, like
I'm like boxing, ufc, allsports.
But the bit I like, uh, boxing,is kind of hard to beat box
because the lines be sooutrageous.
So, yeah, so they had, like youknow, you might like Terrence
Crawford.
I think he was like minus 2,000, so you put, you know, I put,
2,000 dollars and so it's likeyeah, it's nothing, but I like.
UFC I'm real good at UFC.
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We had some big UFC cards thisyear.
Hockey I love hockey.
I love NFL.
I love baseball.
Those are my top sports Hockeyand NFL and baseball.
Baseball is everyday money.
Nhl when it starts is everydaymoney, but NFL everybody loves
to bet football.
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Football is when everybody wantto bet Super Bowl.
Yeah, nfl, right around thecorner, so we about to slam it.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
What about college?
Are you looking at collegesports too, or just strictly
professional?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I love college basketball more than I like.
I like watching both, but asfar as betting, I like betting
college basketball a little bitbetter than college football.
College football is a littletough, like it's a little tough.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So 51 by 50 yeah, like the spreads are high and
you know you got the.
You know the dude might havebroken with his girlfriend and
you know they still ain'tprofessionals, man you know, so
you know they go through you,they go through you, know they
go through a little differentstuff in college.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So I don't feel comfortable putting two, three
hundred grand on a collegestudent man, like you know and
you know the more popular thesport like football, are those
lines just a lot tighter thanmaybe an unpopular sport.
Well, the lines are not reallymuch tighter, but the lines are
like, I guess, when NFL, whenit's like a little bit more
popular, like it's kind of goodbecause the sports will let you
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get more money on those games.
So you know, in more popularsports, like as far as like NFL,
you know they will let you getsome big money on NFL games
because, like I said, money'scoming on both sides.
So as long as the money comingon both sides.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's all the sports will care about, you know,
because they're going to makemoney.
You set yourself like I'm a bigbudget person, I'm sorry
spending $200, $300 but, do youset yourself up like, okay, I
got a certain budget I'm goingto spend today, like that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
As far as like money, put money aside to bet yeah, no
matter how big your bankrollyou can be a billionaire you
still got to have a budget.
You still got to have a budgetbecause I mean, when you bet
especially with $200, $300, youcan lose.
Let's say, you're putting fourgames, you're down a million
dollars that quick, just offfour games.
So, yeah, you got to have abankroll.
Bankroll management is reallymore important than winning.
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Okay, you know so, managingyour bankroll the smaller the
bankroll, the more you got tomanage.
But no matter what yourbankroll is if it's $1,000 to $1
million, you still got tomanage it, no matter.
There's no in between.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Are you betting every day or is it like you wait
until you get a good feeling fora game?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I bet, even if I'm like, do I bet $300?
No, not every day, but you know, when I have a game that I
really, really love, yeah, Ihammer so pretty much.
I'm pretty much been somethingevery day.
You know what I'm saying, so,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So, like, how do you like so somebody that's not as
knowledgeable?
Like, let's say, I'm looking ata game, right?
Okay, how are you pricestrategizing?
Like, okay, maybe I put 50 000on this, 200 on this, 300 000 on
this.
Like, how do you know the when,when to go?
Yeah, like, when, the?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
yeah, when to go big, it's just really man, it's just
like when honestly or you canfeel it and then like when
everything lines up, like I havea different, like I have a
little strategy, like wheneverything is lines up and all
the all my angles lines up and Ijust it's just, everything's
just perfect, kind of I don'twant to go too much once
everything lines up that's why Ilike yeah, I'm going big today,
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yeah and you know I'm sure tosee a lot more pop up as
arbitrage.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Are you familiar with the gambling arbitrage?
No, it's where you are playingthe lines like so I go to circa
and my line's 105 and I go to oh, yeah, yeah, and I play in the
middle.
So I may only I bet 2000, 2000.
I may win $90, but it's aguaranteed $90.
Hmm, I never heard of that one.
Oh yeah, we'll talk after yeah,I never heard.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It's a whole thing.
I never heard of that one.
It's pretty it's prettyinteresting, but you see, it's
like it's a guaranteed it, butyou, but it's an automatic win
your automatic win as long asyou're betting at two different
casinos, and they all set eachother got it okay as long as the
line shifts are a little oh,okay.
Okay, I mean it's kind ofsimilar to like not really I
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don't know, because, like at thelines were different.
When I went to the circa, thenI went to the caesar's palace,
it was like yeah, because youknow they'll drop them a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Right, you go to go to one.
It's minus six.
You go over here.
It's minus three.
Yeah, they will so now you'replaying the difference on both
sides and you're arbitraging thetwo against each other,
essentially.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That's crazy, I never heard of that one.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
That's crazy, I never heard that either.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
That's crazy.
I'm starting to see more andmore in Vegas, it seems like.
I mean sports betting hasgotten so big.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I don't even know what the pots are, probably
internationally.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
But how does it work in Vegas?
Right, Like?
We have DraftKings here, butDraftKings you can't bet at a
DraftKings.
That's strictly online, right,DraftKings?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Do Vegas have DraftKings?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Well their corporate office is here but you can't bet
.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, you can't bet on DraftKings here.
They drive Kings.
I don't think they have aFanDuel, which I do love FanDuel
.
I go to New York a lot, so Ilove FanDuel.
I love the way they have theirsports book.
I love their lines.
I love their own line.
I love everything about FanDuel.
So shout out to FanDuel.
I smack them when I go to NewYork.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
But shout out to, they're in Jersey, they have a.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
FanDuel sports book here at one of the uh, freemont
casinos, do they really?
Yeah, okay, I can't rememberwhich one, though okay, so when
you're doing your, your betsright, you can bet online plus
in the casino.
Yeah, so if I wanted to bet ontwo games, like I want to bet on
whoever it is, raiders orwhatever it is, I can bet online
a amount, bet in the casino,and it might be different.
Whatever you call lines whereyou can get paid more right.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Uh, sometimes, yeah sometimes the lines you gotta
shop lines, but sometimes thelines do be different.
Uh, so you might get like a,let's say you might have one
game at the casinos.
It might be, let's say, minus130.
Then you going online, it mightbe minus 125.
So it, the lines usually arepretty much almost the same, but
it might be a little off whichyou know, a minus 30, 130 and a
minus 125.
So it, the lines usually arepretty much almost the same, but
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it might be a little off whichyou know, a minus 30, 130 and a
minus 125.
That's a difference, that's abig difference.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
So you know you've been in the big numbers like,
yeah, exactly, it's a bigdifference.
You prefer like a money linespread or a point spread a money
line, uh, it's just a.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I mean baseball I I usually just take.
I like money lines, like eitherlike I really don't like you
know, like, yeah, a lot ofpeople, you know I like
underdogs in baseball a lot too,because I mean underdogs win
every day.
I literally look at their linestoday and just see how many
underdogs probably hit.
But yeah, I like underdogs inbaseball.
But to answer your question, Ilike I like I like money lines,
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yeah, and you know, and uh, whenit comes to baseball, it's just
a penalty sports too, moneylines baseball, but I like
spreads when it comes to nflthat makes sense.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, because the money lines you have more
potential for a bigger win.
Right, because if you'rebetting underdogs you're more
likely to.
Yeah, if you just bet thestraight money line.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, because if you bend the spread on the underdog,
I wish they got a win by acertain amount.
You just win like minus 110.
So you know you put a hundreddollars that wins like 90 bucks.
So yeah, then if you would havewent through with the underdogs
just went out right 100 mightwin like two, three hundred.
So yeah, I love underdogs, man.
So that's how you really whenin sports been you really when I
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first started sports.
That's why I can always tell,like a beginner sports better a
handicapper, like they alwaysbet the favorites, like when.
That's what I did.
The same thing when I firststarted I was betting favorites.
Find out the favorites oh, youmight have 200.
They pose a win.
Oh man, you'll get smoked likethat.
I've been doing this so long.
The value the money is in theunderdogs.
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They win all the time Underdogs.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You got to find those underdogs.
You make me want to gamble.
Wanna gamble, man?
I swear to god, even with thebig Super Bowl win.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
That was an underdog oh yeah very true and.
I'm a diehard Niners fan and Iwas at the Super.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Bowl and you bet on the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I bet on the Chiefs, yeah, and I had, and I'm a
diehard Niners fan, but I justI'm not been against Patrick
Mahomes, like he, yeah, he like,yeah he different, he special.
And he was underdogs too, likeI think.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I think it was like plus yeah, plus money yeah, so
can you like watch a game liveand just be calm if you got
$300,000 on a game, yeah, whenit's winning.
That's what I'm saying.
That's hard, that's hard towatch.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, when it's, I go to a lot of games I have money
on.
Do you really?
Yeah, I think I would sit athome.
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I could beat it.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
I'd probably break something.
I went to a game I had some bigmoney on and it didn't go the
way I wanted.
I think I had like $100,000.
Oh man, I remember that night Ihad $100,000.
It was on the Vegas Knightshockey game and they posed me it
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was a line I shit, I don't evenbet like big lines like it was
a minus 210, which I'm thinkinglike, okay, there's minus 210,
I'm going to the game.
Let me just, you know, throw ahundred.
I threw a hundred thousand onit and, uh, I think it was when
I was minus 210, so it'sprobably gonna win.
Like I think, maybe like 50 Iforgot what 60 000, maybe 40, 56
, 000, like that.
And, um, to make a long storyshort, I went to the game.
It was a blowout loser from thestart.
Literally.
It was playing a VancouverCanucks and I think this was
like two, three years ago.
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So Canucks, they sucked thatyear, so they supposed to blow
them out.
I think Vegas Knights was likehot, they supposed to blow them,
yeah or win a.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Stanley Cup.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I think they did.
And they supposed to blow themout.
So I went to the game.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I get there first, so I'm like five minutes later,
getty already down five zero,like what.
How they scored five.
It was a blowout losing.
So yeah, y'all probably gotarrested.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, there's no way you know so yeah, I like, I like
going to some of the games thatI've been I've been honestly
I've been doing for, like I said, I've been doing for so long so
it really like honestly, Idon't really like you know but
even that moment, yeah, I feellike I don't know, maybe it's
just me because I'm not a hugegame like pocket.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
but that moment I feel like I don't know, maybe
it's just me because I'm not ahuge fan of hockey, but that
moment where you're like, damn,I just lost 100.
You know, like, contemplate itand think for a second.
You have that pit in yourstomach.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Nah, because I know it's a tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
That's true, yeah, yeah it's a tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But the biggest mistake you can make when you
lose money is just bet a randomgame that's coming on later.
That's coming on later.
So let's say that game was like4 o'clock.
Let's say I lose 100 and let'ssay it's another game coming on
at 7.
Most people the first imps.
Let me see what game.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, sure, let me double up.
Try to make it back.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
See, that's what a lot of people make a mistake.
Don't chase a loss Like thenext day.
You'll have a better outlook ontomorrow's game.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I can see just from talking with you you're very
disciplined.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I can tell you're very strategic, very disciplined
.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
But like who's like, mentorship is big for me,
coaching things like that.
Are there people in your earthat are like no, don't do that?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I don't see, I've never been lucky to have nobody
in my ear man, really Never,like I've never been lucky to
have someone.
I mean, you know I have my momand dad, but they're not like
business as far as, like theydon't know about my business so
they can't really give me toomuch.
You know, can short thecrystals about my business.
So sure, um, you know I talkedto them about personal things,
(22:17):
but like I never had nobody likebusiness, you know to teach me
no, never, yeah, yeah, never.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It was just yeah, I wish I did you know, but the
money you make you probably hiresomebody to mentor you and say
look, I need you to put.
Show me what to do with thismoney.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's like the ultimate goalthen?
Right, because is gamblingsomething you do for the rest of
your life?
That's gotta be nerve wracking.
It's stressful, yeah, it'sstressful.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I mean, even if I'm not in a game, I still can do
the sports consulting business.
So I do that, I do a couplelittle investments, I do music
for fun Do you really Okay, youactually an artist or you make
music?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I'm an artist.
I guess you can say I'm anartist Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Like I said, it's just something I do just just
for fun, so I got a new songright now I'm dropping with jim
jones, do you really?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
yeah, I got a song with jim jones.
Yeah, I lived in the east coastfor a while, so yeah, yeah,
yeah, so yeah, I got a song withjim jones.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
we did it in new york , uh like two weeks ago, so I'm
I'm laying it goes, uh.
It comes out on august 16th onall platforms Maz Viez featuring
Jim Jones.
Take all bets, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
That's fire man, yeah , how you connect with him.
Jim is a beast man, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Jim is a beast man.
I've been a fan honestly, I'vebeen a fan of Dipset since
whatever you know, since young,and I was really a huge fan of
Cameron at first.
Cam's here, right, yeah, fan ofCameron at first.
Cam's here right, yeah, cam'shere.
But I'm not going to lie overthe years I think Jim got better
than Cam Rapping-wise,rapping-wise.
So I just thought, honestly,that's a tough debate.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah man, that's a tough debate.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I've just been a big fan of them.
We linked up my boy Mike.
He pretty much got me in thestudio with Heat, heat makers,
I'm pretty sure you know.
Yeah, and Jim was there thatnight and we talked.
They already knew who I was.
They, you know, he, the guyslike, oh, he's sports band guy,
you know whatever.
So he knew I was.
So we chopped it up.
I told him yeah, we're gonna doa song tomorrow.
(24:13):
We did a song.
The race is history, that'swhat's up?
we're shooting the video outthere in New York.
I shot half of the video outhere.
Then I'm shooting another halfin Harlem.
We're gonna shoot it by likethis week.
Man, I was just in New York.
I absolutely love New York wejust took my kids to the
Brooklyn Museum and did AliciaKeys and their museum with Swiss
Beats.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
What part of New York so we stayed in Manhattan, but
we went all around Brooklynwhere are you from?
Oh no no, no, I'm originallyfrom Chicago, but I lived in New
York.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I love New York too.
It's a vibe, it's a straight up.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You got a real culture over there.
I feel like every time you goout, you feel it, you feel it.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, as soon as you get there you damn near feel
like you as soon as you getthere it's just like you're
literally supposed to dosomething.
It keeps your energy up and yourealize?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
that's why everybody got to have 20 jobs when they
live there.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I love it.
It's beautiful, it's awonderful city.
I love it 100%.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Let's talk about branding a little bit.
Right, you built an amazingbrand.
Appreciate that Right YouTube.
Now You're building up yourYouTube noticed you've
organically built where you'redoing the day in the life, which
a lot of people really like,right?
What's your perspective on that, on the new influencer and what
you should show and what youshould not show?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I feel like it just depends on what you branding.
It just really depends on whatyou branding.
I feel like, honestly, like Imean you just got to to know
what your brand is.
And I mean I feel like, ifyou're artists, I feel like you
have no limits.
I feel like I feel you can'thave no limits.
You can't be scared to showthis.
You can't be scared, you justgotta go all out.
Honestly, you can't have.
(25:51):
If you're like nervous, don'tbe an influencer.
You know, I'm saying that's my,that's my advice.
If you, if you're reallyserious about being a influencer
, you can't have no filter.
You just got to do what youwant to do.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, those are the ones who pop Like if you're like
nervous, I'm scared, or thisman.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
you just got to go all out and just be prepared and
simple, that's all you got todo.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah, the most successful ones, like you said,
make their own lane right, yeah,that's what makes people
intrigued about it.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Like you can't just be following.
You know what I'm saying.
You can buy fake followers.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I love you talking about this.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
But you can't buy a following, bro.
You know what I'm saying.
Even with fake followers,people are going to know when
you post that these aren't real.
You can't buy engagement, bro.
So it's like, honestly, youjust got to organically build it
, you just got to be you andwhoever going to like it like it
, whoever ain't, you know yougot to enjoy the haters.
(26:45):
Enjoy the positive comments andyou love the negatives too.
Enjoy.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You don't know how much I'm happy you just said
that right now because we mywife and we were just talking
about that We've been buildingthis for six years, right 2018.
And that was something we werelooking at.
We've never bought, never didthat because people are going to
feel your energy, yeah, they'regoing to feel that you're real
and it's so funny like chrisoriginally from detroit, I'm
originally from chicago and thatwas one of the biggest things
is like, how do we build theculture and not build the
(27:11):
culture?
Show the culture, yeah, ofvegas, you know, organically and
um, and if we did that, we'renot fake people.
So we gotta show like the realright and people could see that.
So I'm happy you said that, man, man because, people know.
I mean, they see the engagement,they see what's real, yeah, so
where do you think it, where doyou think it goes, man?
Because Instagram is startingto lose a lot of its algorithms.
(27:31):
I don't know.
I keep hearing a lot ofdifferent stuff, man.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I hear a lot, my girl says a lot, she sees like
she'll tell me like Instagram isgoing to be going in for me
anyway, like.
So I guess like TikTok is thenew TikTok's the one.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
That's what everybody's talking about now
they say TikTok is the one.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, they say it's easier to go viral now which I'm
not going to lie.
I just posted a video.
I did a video.
It got like my highest view.
It got like 6 million views onthere and it I literally just
posted like a little vlog of myday in the life from YouTube.
It did like 170,000, like oneday.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
So TikTok me neither.
I don't know how it works, butit works it works.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Tiktok is good, so yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
They say that's going to cancel right.
Well, there's a possibility,because the government is trying
to ban it, but they're going tosell it to somebody else like
Microsoft.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
But I don't think TikTok is going nowhere.
Yeah, they're going to sell itto somebody else, like a
Microsoft, but I don't thinkTikTok is going nowhere.
Yeah, tiktok ain't goingnowhere.
I don't think it is.
It's too.
I mean people music-wise right.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I mean the people getting paid off music just for
coming out with a whatever danceor whatever it is.
Yeah, the TikTok dance.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, it's big People's not going to probably
buy TikTok.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Right, right so.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Instagram is losing some of it, doesn't have the
same pop as what was, and if, inthe reason why I say that is if
you see the ceo of instagramcoming on to talk about it,
there's obviously got to be aproblem, right?
Because he's doing videos ofhey, you should try this, you
should try that.
So obviously people havecomplained a lot about it, or
why would you be on your?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
instagram talking about it, right, so it's got to
be a problem, yeah you know, butI don't know I like it.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I like it because it's easy enough.
He likes Facebook.
I'm on Facebook.
I'm a news guy.
I can't stand Facebook.
I'm on some.
I read my news articles it tookme a minute.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think I had everything except my Facebook
for a long time I got a.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Facebook now, but yeah so I was going to ask you,
just piggybacking about Mikewith the Mozzie pics, like Do
you consult with them, likeface-to-face or calls, or how do
you consult with them?
Is it more just getting thepics?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, they just sign up and I get them the pics.
If they need anything, I have acustomer support team.
Okay, you have a what, I'msorry, a customer support team,
okay, okay.
So yeah, they need, like any, Iguess, further help or
information, that's what I wasgetting at.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
How can you spread your time?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
They only really need help when they're losing.
When they're winning, nobodyneeds to talk.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
That's why I like winning.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Winning just makes everything easier when you're
winning.
Nobody got questions, nobodyasking you nothing.
The comments are coming ingreat, everything is just
they're telling their friends.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Oh my God, Everybody's energy is up.
Everybody's energy is up.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Usually people want to talk and say something when
you lose it so long as you, yeah.
So yeah, usually yeah, but Ihave a coach support team who
helps me out, um, you know.
So everything is pretty muchsimple.
I, you know I got my.
You know I'm on wapcom andthey're pretty much day.
That's how you, you know, viewmy plays and you sign up there
and once you sign up, you justfollow instructions and you get
(30:19):
get in my chat simple yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
So what would you say to somebody like, just simple,
you know they wanted they comingto Vegas this weekend, right?
What would you suggest to themto do if they wanted to spend,
you know, let's say, a thousanddollars?
I want to try to come up likeeverybody wants to do when they
come to Vegas.
What would you share with them?
Just one simple tip, justfollow me.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, pretty much simple.
Just follow me and.
I'll get you right, I meanhonestly.
I have people who just come toVegas just to gamble, just in
particular.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Simple, just to sports bet with me.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
So they come to Vegas , they just to sports bet with
me and yeah, that's pretty muchthe only reason they come.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
So where do you see the future of Vegas going, man?
You enjoying it out here.
You like the growth and youlike what's happening yeah, I
like it.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I like it a lot.
I'm honestly, man, I'm lookinglike, I'm looking just to have a
like, just probably like I loveVegas.
I always have a space here, butI don't know, I think I want to
move to New York just to, yeah,man, some spots, okay, I don't
want, like a penthouse somewherethere, but, uh, I like vegas.
Man, vegas is cool.
I've been out here for so long,though how long you been here?
(31:26):
17 now, yeah, but this is.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
This is like home for me now I hated it.
When I first moved for real, Ididn't like it at all.
It's cool.
It's cool, I like it, I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I like vegas, though man.
Vegas is uh, I mean.
It's one thing about vegas is.
One thing I do love about vegasis a growing city.
It's always some new coming.
It's a money city.
It's the only city you reallycan come and maybe have 20 bucks
in your pocket and leave outwith 1,000.
It's the only city you can dothat.
I like it.
It's a pretty much safe city.
(31:55):
I agree.
Yeah, I like Vegas.
It's a clean city.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
It's very clean.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It's a clean city and the casinos are clean.
They know how to treat you inVegas.
For the most part, Vegas is agood city.
It's a good city.
I love Vegas.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Let's see, Wait until you go to New York and give me
that cold man.
That's why I'm on the WestCoast.
I don't mind the cold you don't.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
No, I love the cold too.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
See, I'm from Chicago and I grew up in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
So I'm used to all like four seasons back Okay, I
could deal with the cold, justthrow, you know, layer up.
You got to know how to dealwith the cold.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Some people like girls, don't know how to deal
with the cold, maybe because weshoveled and dealt with it.
Yeah, the shovel fine you gottaremember man like and I'll just
share, just go rabbit hole realquick is when you had to deal
with shoveling and waking up.
You know chicago is differentand new england.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think that's colder than new york.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well, chicago is colder but new england gets more
snow like that boston, newhampshire, maine.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I've been in chicago when it was like I went out
there it was probably three,four, four years ago and I went
out there was it was probablythree, four years ago and I went
out there it was literally thewinter and it was literally like
windy.
That's a whole different typeof cold.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
It was windy.
And Michigan too.
Michigan's horrible Negative 13, negative 10.
Yeah it was cold.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, it was cold.
Yeah yeah, shoveling snow innegative 10-degree weather is
not a good experience.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Every one of them.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, like the the networking in vegas.
That's the biggest piece thatI'm seeing.
Man is, networking is amazing.
Here, I think the networking isgood.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I mean honestly, I think it need more like I think
it need more like it need more.
Like when I go all right, it'slike this when I go to new york,
when I go to miami and placelike that, literally, bro, it's
so much content being created.
Like I went to miami, boom, Iwent to, I'm going to the
jeweler, boom, hey, this is, ifthe watch guy and he's he's
recording me, I walk out.
Another guy's recording me.
(33:46):
Later I did three differentpeople social media platforms
when I got out of and when I wasin Miami, boom, then I go to
New York, boom, I got, you gotthis person's jewelers, you got
these.
I'm doing so many differentpeople and I'm I'm doing so many
different platforms.
Vegas needs that.
Like, literally, you can walkto Vegas and you don't get no
content.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Vegas need more.
Like content creators and likepretty people that like are
doing it Cause there's so muchabout Vegas people don't know
about man.
And like people just thinkVegas is a strip, like you tell
people.
Like people are so stupid.
Like you'll tell people like Ilive in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Y'all got grocery stores there Like bro yeah, bro
yeah like people are that stupidthough, but it you know.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
but it's just like if you don a content creator,
start creating some content.
In Vegas, man Do something.
Man Show the strip Showsomething.
Man.
We need more content creators.
But I think the networking iscool, but it need more social
media content.
I see a few, though I see a fewpeople like they'll show the
different things, and I love it.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I like content creators, man, you see it more
about restaurants and stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I see that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Not so muchnothing else, Like really it's
just restaurants or gamblingyeah, gambling yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
You know, you think it's because, like people like,
for example, we're so close toHollywood in LA, right where TMZ
and you got everybody in yourface, where it's feel like when
you come to Vegas, people canrelax a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
They don't want to share their experience as much.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
That might be true.
That might be true.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Getting in trouble.
I think that should be thereason why it should be more.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Honestly you're going to catch.
In LA and different places,people are going to be on their
P's and Q's, true, but when theycome to Vegas, man, bro,
everybody is open and, bro,you'll see everybody.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I mean, I think, it should be more.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Vegas needs more content creators.
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, I like that perspective, man, even breaking
down the branding and everythingFor business advice, right,
like I know, or maybe not somuch business advice, man.
So what would you share forsomebody that maybe because you
work for yourself, correct whatwould you share for them of what
they should do if they want togo work for for themselves?
What's one tip or nugget forthem, um, that they might be
(35:57):
thinking about, you know,jumping into that lane I think,
man, if you want to work foryourself, pretty much, just do
it.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Don't ask nobody for no advice, just do it, man,
don't ask somebody.
Do you think this is gonna work?
Don't ask about nothing, justdo it.
Don't even ask your mom ornothing.
Just go do it and at the end ofthe day, if it work, it work.
If it don't, it don't.
Yeah, simple.
Don't ask nobody, nothing, justdo it like, study it and just
go full throttle.
Simple, like, because you askpeople, you know, uh, you know
their advice, good luck.
(36:24):
So, yeah, just do it.
Simple, man, just do it.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, that's real, yeah okay, we always talk about
restaurants, man in vegas.
Man, where are you eating atwhat's one gym?
Because I really want to know,because you spend a lot of money
, man man this, yeah, man, thisis one thing about Vegas too.
They got amazing food, they gotamazing food and I'm a big
foodie.
That's why I want to know whenare you eating at, whether it's
high end or hole in the wall,I'll give you a few spots.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I'll give you a few spots.
I like, if Carbone at Aria.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Carbone is fire.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Shout out to my guy over there.
They take care of me over thereevery time, that's an Aria I
like.
Carbone yeah, that's an Aria Ilike.
If you want to go to asteakhouse, you want to get that
good feel.
You want to feel like you maybe, like you want to say you're
into mobsters and you're likeJohn.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Gotti go to Golden Steer Shout out to I love it.
I gotta check that one out.
Yeah great food.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I like Golden Steer, what else I like, I like.
If you wanna go to like a goodsushi spot, I'm gonna give you a
good sushi spot in Vegas.
If you wanna go to a good go toSushi Fever yeah, this dude
Sushi Fever is my favorite sushispot on Sahara.
I get the OMG roll.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
That's hilarious okay , we, we in.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's three solid ones.
I think we just went theretoday.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yes, sushi feed was fire, so I hated sushi, my wife
I hated sushi too, because stansushi and I'm my friend and I
thought that's crazy.
I hated sushi and my wife andshout out to my guy, alan
kirkwood, that that brought meto sushi feed.
We put us on to that and that'sone of my favorite spots.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I gotta check that out.
And nobody ever brought that up, so that's great.
So we had to show them somelove, man, yeah, so Golden Steer
you said Carbone.
Sushi Fever yeah, that's.
Yeah, I like, oh, yeah, those.
Yeah, if you want some sushithere and yeah, okay, that's on,
(38:26):
man, we forgot to ask you atall.
Um, nothing, man.
If you follow me on instagramat mazzy vs mazi, mazi vs,
follow me on tiktok, mazi vs.
Um, I got a new song comingwith jim jones.
Take all bets it's droppingaugust 16th on all platforms.
We're shooting a video that'sgonna be an absolute banger.
Um, shout out to my guys atvegas circle appreciate, yeah,
man, we here, man, mazzy pics.
Appreciate it, man?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
thanks for the love man, thanks for sitting down
with us and shout out to my guysat Vegas Circle Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, man, we here, man, my Aussie picks.
Appreciate it.
Man, thanks for the love.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Man, thanks for sitting down with us and shout
out to G6 for connecting us.
Shout out to my guy, g6, man,yes sir, and check us out at
VegasCirclecom.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Man Appreciate you man.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
My man.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
That's good man.
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