January 24, 2024 • 41 mins
I, Lyanette Talley, continue the conversation with Philip, Justin, and Milky. This week's episode of Virago 24/7 is a beacon of insight for those charting a course through blended families. With raw honesty, we dissect the delicate balance between building bonds, handling feelings of invisibility due to absentee biological parents, and the seismic aftershocks of past betrayals on our ability to trust and love again.
Amidst the ebb and flow of family life, we also shine a spotlight on the monumental task of fostering resilience in our children against the backdrop of an evolving society. The nuances of motherly protection versus the fatherly impetus to toughen up are dissected, as we discuss how single mothers and diverse family structures are writing new narratives for the future of manhood. Our stories of our own experiences, underscore the importance of embracing adversity and the potent influence parents have on the growth of young spirits, challenging the very fabric of traditional gender roles.
Wrapping up, we delve into the art of communication within relationships and the intricate nature of trust. I share personal anecdotes that traverse the sometimes murky waters of male-female friendships in the context of marriage, including those with former flames. As we raise a glass to the candid conversations that have unfolded, we laugh about teenage wisdom in a digital world, and the unique perspectives platonic friends offer. It's more than an episode; it's a heartfelt embrace of the complexities of love, parenting, and the continuous journey of personal evolution. Join us and be part of the conversation at Virago 24/7, where real life meets real talk.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Last week on Virago 24/7.
Yes, who cheated on you?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yes, that was my first In college.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yes, oh, was it Luranda.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yes, oh.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I knew it.
She sounds like a cheater.
Sorry for all the Lurandas outthere, but that's a cheating
sounding thing.
I don't think there's a lot ofLurandas, but okay.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
She's out there listening right now.
Why are you cheating on Felipe?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm not cheating on you.
Yes, yes, I was, oh, and youwere devastated and you've been
back with her.
So you do forgive, there you go.
You do forgive, you went backwith her, right you?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
have a track record, but I didn't forget, but you
what?
You just had a track record,but I didn't forget and the
track record that's alreadyworked.
She's manipulating.
She's trying to get that allfast.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm like, no, no, you forgive Luranda, you don't
forgive me, and that, no, Iwouldn't ever, I wouldn't, I
wouldn't dare.
I am your host, Lyanette Talley, and you are listening to
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This is for you, Philip, andthis was an interesting question
.
What does it only pertain toyou?
And this is oh, I know whatthis is.
Yeah, how hard is it to raiseanother man's child or children,
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and does it ever bother you?
It is hard.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
And I didn't realize how hard it was going to be,
because you always walk into therelationship like, hello,
that's my child, I'm the father.
But the reality is that's notyour child.
My biggest thing was, yeah, Iwalked into the relationship
thinking this is what I'm gonnado, I'm gonna be the father, I'm
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gonna be that person forsomeone that I didn't actually
give life to.
There you go, thank you, justin.
So, but it's not and that's notyour child Doesn't mean you
don't love that person.
And the beauty of it with Kaylinis I met Kaylin when she was a
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little over one years old.
It was easy to become thatfather figure for her because
her father was pretty muchnonexistent and wasn't present.
So that was easier.
But having him in the earlyyears of her life present was
difficult, because you're gonnaalways hear that you're not my
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daddy, you can't tell me this.
And initially it was great whenshe started calling me daddy
and I loved it, but then shestopped, and she stopped early
on and she's never called methat and that really hurts.
But I still love her.
But it's very difficult and Ican't even imagine how difficult
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it would be if he was present,if he was actually involved in
her life.
It was difficult enough when hewas just a weekend dad and
really the fun uncle, but forsomeone to be in her life and be
present, I don't know how itwould feel about that, because I
probably would feel better inthe fact that he actually showed
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up and spent time with her andwas a father to her.
Then what he did was disappointher consistently over time and
he was very intentional in notbeing present, which was my deal
breaker.
That was one of my things thatI wrote down.
I was never gonna marry someonethat had a child, and I did and
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obviously didn't follow that.
But it is very difficult, to behonest.
It's very difficult because youwere very protective of her
when it came to decisions thatwe made and things that we did,
because you wanted to be thatmother and father for her and
protect her over things that wedid.
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So our early argument wasalways about how to raise Kaylin
and we had to really talkthrough and go through things
and cause she was spoiled ohwhat.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Who spoiled her?
How did she?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
become spoiled.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh like, let her cry, she's in there, I let her cry
and that was difficult for you Iwas very protective.
She was my little.
She wanted to sleep in the bedwith us.
And I was like no way she'ssleeping in the bed with us.
She was used to sleeping withme.
It was just the two of us, for,yeah, we just slept together.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
She was there more for you than for her.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
She was like my little teddy bear, so that was
hard.
That was difficult.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You have to really know what you want and who you
are as a person to deal withthat, because, yeah, that's not
something that you ideally wantto have to address.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, that's tough and there's a lot of people and
not.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Most people now have to deal with that.
I mean it'll be very rare,honest Milky, to just for you to
walk into a relationship andthat female not having a child
yes, women have a child.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Well, unless he married someone way younger than
him.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
He's gonna marry some girls.
You'll be like 20s.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, I mean, unless he married someone younger,
she'll be 20.
I mean, I was younger, but youguys gonna find me on that list
Everybody's talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, you don't know what list.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
What's the list?
The epstein list?
Yeah, the what?
The epstein list?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Oh dang, oh shit.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Oh, that list.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Oh, I know what you're on about.
Oh gosh, no Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I'm just mad, I'm not a mother W2.
And over here.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh my gosh, Can a woman raise a man?
If and wait, what can a womanraise a man is the next question
.
Actually I did a show on theyeah, what does that mean?
Well, like single moms, we did.
We did a show on that.
I had a group of girls.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Can we raise a man?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I'm gonna be very, very, very, very very.
I was on.
People are going to be like ohno, you can raise a man.
No, they cannot.
Oh, no way.
You're standing firm on that,very firm on that.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And then he also asked if no, was your father in
your life?
So if you think no, was yourfather present?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
My father was very present and in my life and I
can't even imagine not having afather figure in my life.
You can raise a man 100%, Iwill tell you this.
A female to probably more thana male can when it comes to
handling a family, raising adaughter or son, but you have to
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have a father figure in thatperson's life.
You have to in a male.
I can't even tell you on theperspective from a female
because I'm not one, but as amale, you have to have a father
figure in that male's life.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Well, there's an example now, like with Khalil,
women are going to approachthings a little bit more.
Most women I'm sure there'swomen out there that are just
are super tough and are moremasculine or manly when it comes
to, like, decision making.
But for the majority of women,for example, khalil Phillip is
trying to have him condition, bemore conditioned, so that when
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he goes to soccer tryouts thathe's not, you know, out of shape
.
It's cold.
He's driving him to the parkand then he has his little
backpack and he's running homeas part of his conditioning.
I'm like, is that a little muchfor him?
If it was just me, I'd be likethat wouldn't even be on my
radar to even because I'm likeI'm protecting him.
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No, it's cold outside and he'srunning with a backpack.
How many miles is he running?
Phillip's like he is fine.
He is fine and I'm not a man,but I think men need that kind
of push that sometimes Iwouldn't do that.
So I think that's a smallexample of how a woman would
handle something versus a man,and I think he appreciates that
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and he's told Phillip I want youto guide me in that way.
I want you to tell me hey, gooutside and go run hills because
he's not going to do it on hisown or go out there.
He has voiced it to Phillipthat that's what he needs,
because Phillip will ask thekids what do I need?
What can I do more of or less?
What do you need from me?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And he did say that as a father and as a provider in
this house.
And I got that from my men'sgroup when we went on a retreat
and I heard that from God saying, hey, you need to step up as a
leader, but you don't know whatyou need to step up as a leader
until you ask, ask your wife,ask your kids.
And so I asked Kalil and I saidwhat do I need to do?
He said I need you to push me,I need you to give me feedback
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on things that I need to dobetter, because I'm not going to
do it on my own.
Wow, I said you sure, because Iknow you don't like it when I
tell you this and that.
And he said, yeah, I get that Idon't like it, but I need it.
Good, that was very short forme for him to tell me that at
the time, at 14.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So God's going to look at a situation totally
different than a female and it'sfunny you say that because I
remember when I was in, I livedin Connecticut and my dad there
was a lady who passed by and shewas.
She told my dad, hey, your sonis built to be in football.
You want to get into football?
And I was like, yeah, let's gethim into football.
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So I told my mom I was like,nah, you're going to get hurt
and I never.
So I never learned the game offootball ever.
And just because my mom saidyou're going to get hurt, in my
mind I was like, oh, I'm goingto get hurt.
And I was playing with kidsLike, even if I didn't get hurt,
so what?
Like it's not going to be ahuge injury or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So you could have been a superstar.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
He could have been, but you know my dad got me
karate, he got me to all thisand stuff like that and I hated
it.
I hated it so much and I wouldjust always be crying to my
mom's opinion.
So you're going to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
He was always there.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
And I can you know he didn't get to speak.
I could see what he wasattempting to do, which is kind
of push me.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
But your mom sounds like she kind of won those
battles, like what she said.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, I mean I listened to my mom.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And I get that.
My mother same thing my father,and this is the difference,
though, because when I was goingto play sports, my mother was
like I don't want to play thatsport.
He needs to run a track, heneeds to play the cello, he
needs to do all these otherthings besides actually getting
hurt.
And my dad was like, yeah, heneeds to get hurt.
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My sister chose you, so youknow what I did both.
So I did play football, but Ihad to wait to play football,
and that's what we did withKhalil.
Unfortunately, with Khalil thefirst came, he played with top
of football.
He broke his wrist.
It's horrible First game.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
The first game.
I told you, I told you it wasthe first.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I felt so bad, but this is the crazy thing about it
, that was the second time hebroke his wrist, because he
broke his wrist in Splansockeryeah, the year before.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But you're right, you heal.
It's heartbreaking as a mother,it's like, oh my gosh, I want
to protect my babies.
But it builds resilience in usas humans, like we need to go
through shit, we need to falland get hurt in order to see oh,
we can heal.
I didn't die.
Yeah, you cannot grow.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
If you, everything is safe, everything is perfect,
because parents have thetendency to want to protect
their children from everything,and that's not reality, because
they're going to have to gothrough something.
Obviously you don't want themto have to go through things
that you can avoid as a parent,what there are certain things
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they have to go through.
A kid can't grow and develop ifthey're not having some type of
adversity.
A human will never grow ifthey're always comfortable.
If you're always comfortable,then you become complacent and
you'll never actually grow fromadversity.
And so for me, I hated it whenKhalil went through that, both
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of those broken ribs, because hedeveloped a lot of anxiety and
a lot of issues mentally withthat.
But he's a stronger person now.
I mean, I was sitting down withhim last week.
I was like man, I know you canrun for soccer.
You know I'm like can you run?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You're making him run and the core of the backpack on
.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm okay with that.
I said, but you still likefootball, you still like getting
hit.
And he's like, yes, I stilllove football.
I love football more than Ilove soccer.
And I was like all right, Isaid, you sure you have to say
that because I'm I love football.
No, I love it.
And he's not good in footballand he's not the best player the
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crazy thing about it.
He's better in soccer.
He's probably going to startthis year in soccer, but he
doesn't even get on the field infootball.
But he loves football and he'slike a tackling dummy.
He gets beat up every 10practice.
That's the 10th grade and butnow he's growing, he's getting
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bigger, which is great, which isawesome.
But the mother wouldn't,wouldn't pursue that for him.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So, as moms, we just need to let the man.
What do you think Justin's?
Over there no Justin's waitinghis turn.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
What's your?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
thinking Justin.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
So I think the definition of a man is changing
in this country.
And I think that that definitionof a man includes men who grow
up with not just one gender of afamily and and I think that
there's also a lot of young menwho are growing and getting
influenced by all sorts ofdifferent things and mother
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figures, especially today, Ithink, especially single mothers
it's a lot different than ithas been in the past and I think
I think, just in general, as we, as our generation moves
forward, I think you're going tosee a lot more.
You're going to see a verydifferent man in the future than
what we've seen in the past.
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I guess you know for a long,for a long while.
I think it's going to be verydifferent.
Yeah, and I don't think that,and I think that, yeah, women
can raise, raise men.
They're just not going to be astereotype, they're just going
to be very different.
But this doesn't make them moreor less a man, it's just going
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to be a different kind of manand over time there'll be more
and more of men like that.
So it'll change.
It's a cultural shift than whatyou're seeing in this country.
It's going to be very differentbecause there's a lot of other
countries in the world thatstill hold very true to the
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patriarchal hierarchy and theyhave it instilled in their
things.
But they've also, in those samecountries, have elected women
presidents and have done otherthings to advance women in their
country.
I think our country stillstruggles with that a whole lot
and and I think it's just Idon't know it's it's all old way
of thinking.
Remember, we're very youngcountries, so, yeah, very, very
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young countries.
So we have a lot to learn and Ithink the world looks at us now
and sees us a little bit lesslike advanced, like you know,
like you know they're alllooking at us saying, saying uh.
the one said Southern, saying uh, oh, bless your heart, america,
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america, bless your heart.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, I mean because really that question is been
around for a while, but it is.
Is this what, like you said,it's that stereotype of what
people see, think of what a manis.
All right, let's go back torelationships.
What is the toughest challengeyou have faced in your
relationship?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
So would you, Justin, buy milk.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It could be like dating for you.
All about the money.
That's been the biggestchallenge.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, it takes a lot of time to discuss things like
that, to talk through it, andit's been very tough trying to
get on the same page, you know.
But you know because I, youknow, I think I have a, I have a
very clear vision of and thegoals that I want to hit for
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long term.
You know, financial wealth andand I don't think we're on the
same page on that and that'sbeen a day one thing it has it's
not and here's the best part,it's not something that ruins
the marriage, but it's actuallyit's time to can make it
difficult, but that's okay.
That again back to thecommitment, back to the
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understanding that financiallywe're fine, but I do want to be
inclusive in our goals together,because I think together we
could really maximize thosegoals in ways that you couldn't
even imagine and we can makethose steps very easily together
.
You know, with full support.
But you, the way you talk aboutit, it takes commitment.
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It takes a one less Starbucksorder.
You know it takes.
Oh, I bet we love Starbucks,justin, you know it's not.
For me it's one less.
One less lunch out you know you, you know it's.
It's cutting back on ongroceries, is like meal planning
, it's sacrifices here and thereand like not going skiing.
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Wait, no, no, no, we're notgoing to.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
No, that's not going to ski in as much as.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
No, that's a little that's too much, it's only
winter.
A certain amount of time.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
There you go.
That in and of itself is afraction.
There you go.
So finance Fraction overfraction.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, finance for sure, fractions are always a big
thing, so finances, so what'sthe question again, the toughest
challenge you face?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
you have faced in your relationship so many.
Which one would you like topick?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It's communication.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's communication.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So when we do not actually communicate and I might
go back to it again when weassume, when we don't
communicate, when we assume thisis how things are, this is how
this person is thinking, that'swhere the problems become.
And we always have to be veryintentional on how we
communicate with each other andask the questions and discuss
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things, because I think that'sthe biggest.
The biggest thing is notcommunicating, because we can
get into a routine.
We can get into and it feelsgood at first when you're like
I'm in a routine, we got thislittle groove going, but it can
easily become complacency andwhen it becomes that, then you
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don't think you need tocommunicate.
You don't think, oh, she knowswhat I'm thinking, or he knows
what I'm thinking and we're onthis journey together and we
have the same expectations, wehave the same everything.
But things change, peoplechange and when that happens you
have to communicate.
And you have to communicatemultiple times over time.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Philip do we not communicate Like why is he
bringing this up?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I'm not kidding, this is a men's podcast, like I
thought.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
We communicated just fine, no, no, it's true, that's
been our biggest.
We've gotten way better.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Nowadays.
That's my biggest concern withthis society is people are so
focused on social media, sofocused on technology, but it
becomes to a human and being ahuman and talking to someone and
communicating with that personand finding out what their
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values are, what they likes anddislikes and what makes them
tick, and then trying to like,accommodate that person.
And I go back to Brian, becausethat was our guy in our men's
group that got at us and thatwas his whole purpose as
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relationships.
And if you don't develop thatwith someone and know what they
like and well know what theydon't like, and Every time it
has to be with you, know justthis social media and talking to
people.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well, I think it's not.
People communicate a lot.
I mean social media.
That's what they're doing allday long is typing, typing.
I think it's also like, evenwith the listening yeah, with
the relationships, there's timeswhen we walked away that we
were not on the same page, butwe were what's the word?
Respectful of it.
I'm not trying to change yourmind.
I want you to understand mypoint of view and you can
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understand and still disagree,and I think that's where people
get caught up in the, inrelationships.
It's like you want to win themover to your side, and I've
learned.
I just want you to understand myperspective.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's like, it's like the you want someone to always
agree with you.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, that's not realistic.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That person don't always agree with you, one that
doesn't make you better, onethat doesn't make you grow, and
to that's not realistic.
Because, yeah, I might notagree with Justin, that doesn't
mean I don't love him as abrother and I don't appreciate
his input that he gives, becausehis perspective is his
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perspective and I don't havethat same perspective.
But I should always listen towhat he says, and it's not about
someone liking me or Wanting toagree with everything I agree
with, and that's this.
The side is like if they don'tagree with me, then they're my
enemy.
Then agree with you, then it'sokay, it should be okay.
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But now it's about oh, it'sthis, oh, they don't agree with
me, then they're the, they'rethe problem and I'm great, right
.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Challenges milky.
I know you're not married, butgirl, what are your girl
challenge?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, you're I guess, I guess more superficial, be
more like, more like trust.
You know, just kind of buildingthat trust is very challenging
because in the process ofknowing somebody it's a distrust
yeah.
It's one of the challenging,but I feel like once I get past
that, then everything would justkind of flow.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
These ladies been burning you.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Hey man, put yourself in my shoes.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We are wrapping it up .
There's one last question andif you guys want to expand on
anything else, oh, we wentthrough all of them already.
Yeah, that's really good.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I mean, it's like so there's not gonna be a part
three.
Oh.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I'll get more questions.
Yeah, I don't have any morequestions.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Let's not be honest.
No, they do mark them for themfor my neighbor.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I'm gonna bring him.
I want yeah.
Well, I want you it.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I want this to be like a continuation.
I want this to be like part,like if we can do it once a
month, that'd be great, but oncea quarter would be cool too.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Once a quarter.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Like I want it to be, like a consistent thing.
Yes, we can do that.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, so we can do that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
If your significant other didn't like your best
friend and asked for him or hernot to come around, how would
you take that?
Okay?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Bros before hose you know this goes a long way really
that's a very easy question.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
That's a bottom of the bear.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
No no shit, we on we were getting married and she's
like no, you know what?
By the way, I just wanted to bea little honest.
I don't, really don't likePhilip.
No.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I was gonna say cuz Justin, you have a lot of
friends from high school that goback to high school, so you're
telling me that you would justdrop their asses.
Shannon, I wouldn't mean, Iwould drop them, you was just no
no, he's.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
The girl is Okay.
I misunderstood.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'm like I thought you were dropping the friends.
I'm like you Know yourfriendship but you talking about
okay, that makes sense.
Yes, so Anna's never said yougot to drop somebody, no, she
hates all my friends, you.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
She would to come up to me.
You know what?
I really don't want yourfriends coming over anymore.
I'll be like, oh yeah, I reallydon't dare oh.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I knew she didn't like me.
I knew it this whole time.
I knew he loves you.
So what's your question?
Again, if, if I told you youneed to drop your best friend,
would you?
How would you?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
try to drop air.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I made you drop people.
Yeah, considered your bestfriend.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
This is the deal.
This is the deal.
Let's go to that, let's go tothat.
So I had a lot of femalefriends, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
So going back to your otherquestion, when you talk about oh
, the guys don't like share.
I shared with my female friendsabout things that were going on
(26:47):
and things of that nature,because it was easier to share
with them, because they had aperspective and it was great.
But being married, this is, youknow, when you have to grow and
learn and improve.
We said the commitment to growtogether.
I had to understand that youcan't have a lot of female
friends.
What's this?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It just I just.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I just way disagree, but no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It is not all female friends.
There is certain female friends, and these are the female
friends that he dated in thepast.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
That were named around.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
So don't make it seem like it was like just a just
platonic there's no camera inhere, he's got them around.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
He's got an empty cup right now.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Including wife number one, and when I met him he okay
listen.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
So that's, three friends Okay.
Okay, let's refresh.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
This is part three.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
No, I'm just letting you know, no.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I don't want people to think that I'm like, oh, you
can't have a female friend.
That is not true.
You have a lot of femalefriends and you and you talk to
them, and even now you do.
You talk to them on the phone,you go have lunch with them, I'm
okay.
But there were certain onesthat I'm like what's the point?
(28:14):
Is she really a friend?
Why are we keeping these Right?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
These, these people remember I never, I never.
I'm just saying he's just, Inever Don't make me.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
You Tell them I need you, if you want to talk about
challenges in the relationship.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So doesn't that's been a big?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
challenge in the relationship and I had to grow
because yeah, that was, that wasnot.
I had a lot of female friendsand, yes, most of the people I
dated we still became, we stillwere friends 100%, making drinks
.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So I have to explain.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
It's Friday night it's Friday night we have a
drink.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I'm drinking water, I'm being my wife, you're being
very good.
Wait, what are you making,justin?
Old facts.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
He's like a bartender over here.
I'll taste it.
I'll taste it.
I'll taste it.
I might need a sip of alcoholfor this conversation.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
A couple dash of bitters.
We don't have any oranges.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Actually that tastes good.
That puts some hair on my chest.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
That's whiskey you don't need anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
So yes, go on.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
So I had a bunch of female friends.
Some of them were platonic,some of them were people I dated
and we became friends and wewere main friends.
So yes, in my mind initiallybeing very naive and very, very
ignorant, is I should keep allof my female friends despite,
(29:56):
just in case no matter what.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Thank you, justin, just in case, this is a workout.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I know they got to deal with it.
We were my female friends, butI agree with Lyanette said half
of my female friends were peopleI had dated in the past Half.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yes, thank you.
That's 50% for all the sisters.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
And I was supposed to be okay with that.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So I was very naive, very ignorant when it came to
that.
Some people I shared thingswith and it was great to have
that perspective because youcould talk to those people
female friends and actually.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Hey look, I look I'm going to come out here because I
have a lot of female friends.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, but did you?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
date a couple of them .
No, I didn't date a couple ofthem.
Thank you, but I have a lot offemale friends and I owe a lot
of some really greatconversations with them.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
That's not the problem.
That is not the problem.
I agree that made me grow.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yes, In my marriage, in my life, in my relationships.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
they're wonderful, wonderful people I have just as
much to tell them no problemwith that, and I get that.
It's the ex-wife and I have thelove of the ex-booty.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Call the ex-booty call those kind of people.
I didn't mean to, I don't havethose.
I don't have them around, thankyou.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Justin.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So, I had to learn from that and that was a growth
process for me.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And yes, and he let go, and he let go eventually,
but he went kicking andscreaming.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
So after I kicked and screaming and let go, I
realized that that was notproductive, it wasn't, that was
not, that was not beingintentional, I'm just curious.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
In my marriage.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
What kind of stuff that you and your ex-wife talk
about when you guys were friendsand we were married, like
that's just interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
You know what it?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
was.
It was about like How's yourdad doing?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I'm sure.
Save save.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
How's Milky with the save?
How's the dog?
Oh, he's still alive.
Wow, hey, yo, hey, yo, hey, youdon't need anything to let me
know Exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
But you know, we are all friends, we are all friends,
we are all friends, we are allfriends, we are all friends.
But I realized that that was aproductive conversation, protect
a real relationship, and Ithink the thing was it was more
of me saying you know what?
I have someone I can actuallytalk to, from a perspective that
(32:38):
I can't talk to a male with,because, yeah, there's certain
things you do you can't relatewith, but having a true platonic
female friend is awesomeBecause they can give you a
perspective that you can't evertruly understand.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, do you feel, as a man, were they all single or
were they married?
They were both.
They were both Okay, mostlysingle, mostly single, okay.
So did you feel, even ifthey're single or they're
married, did you feel some sortof a connection or some sort of
(33:22):
a man figure in their lives?
Yes, okay, and was that the?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And it was reciprocal , because they would have
questions for me aboutrelationships.
They were in Gotcha and I meanlike hey, is this the thing?
This is what I told Katelyn,too, when she was dating.
You can't go to your mother andask her about a relationship
with a guy, because I'm the onlyone that can give you that
(33:52):
answer.
Your mother can give you aperspective, which is awesome
and great, but I'm the only onethat knows what that guy's
thinking.
I know what he's thinking whenhe's telling you this.
I know what a guy's thinkingwhen he's saying whatever I've
done that, I've been there yourmother can only tell you how she
(34:15):
feels about when a guy tellsyou this or that.
I can tell you what he's reallysaying when he says that.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I mean, and I will add, I would rather have my kids
, if I had kids go to theirmother than go to their friends.
But I agree 100% with whatyou're saying.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You don't want them to go to your friends.
Their friends don't knowanything.
No, what are you talking about?
But they do.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
No dude teenagers.
Now you know this is got thememo.
They know everything.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
They're a lot smarter .
Speaker 4 (34:48):
They were.
They are way smarter.
They have phones.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
That has all the information that they need in it
.
It's all they need.
They have everything they have.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
They have their crystals.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
If something goes wrong.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
They know the answer.
They don't know it, google will.
Yes, yes, 100%.
They know that's funny 100%.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
All right, guys.
This is always so much fun, butwait, hold on, I'm going to say
this for a while.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Oh OK, I thought we were done.
No wait, there's more.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Well, I've been.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Wait, let's put this in the post script.
Yeah, Be, like bonus.
Yeah, the milkwaters extendededitions there's more.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I want to say that funny thing I've been in the end
of my best friends telling themthey don't want to hang around
with me.
Oh, yes, oh it's good.
And the only reason that shesaid that is because I'm single.
So she assumed that every timeI hang around with him is to do
(35:48):
certain things.
And I really do respect myfriends on relationship to the
point that most of the times Iactually get along better with
the wife that I do with myfriends.
After a while they just get toknow me and the relationship is
just great.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
You text your homies' wives?
Yeah, they text me.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Sometimes I get texts from.
I get texts happy birthdaysfrom them.
Then I do it from my homies.
Oh, that's a whole different,and I have little heart emojis
and like lipstick emojis and sex.
No, because there's a line ofrespect.
You can send anything and it'sstill all cool because it's
boundaries.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
But I do text my friends.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I talk to my friend, which is weird she's married and
she told me, because I told herabout it, because I felt bad,
and she said well, you know what, I don't let my husband hang
around with his single friendslike that.
But I don't say no and I hangaround with her.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Thank you the last word?
Yeah, I don't know about that.
She told me that.
And I was like well, and shesaid yeah, because what are you
going to talk about?
What are you going to?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
do she's like that.
And then she told me we'regoing to talk about you crazy.
Exactly the same thing.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
We're going to talk about exactly you.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
But it's funny because I was single and she
hangs around with me.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
That's what I mean, but I was so nervous, but I was
so weird because I'm like Ithink that's weird because
that's a dumb reason, yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I have two friends that stop that, stop talking to
you, and he says hi here andthere, but I really know what it
is, it's not the same.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And I don't feel that hurt.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, because it makes me feel like we've been
through so much.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yeah, I am.
You were going through a minibreakup, Like that's really what
it is.
The man could be like listen,like rich I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I wonder what conversation they're having with
their wives.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
A good friend, though , would just respect that I
wouldn't go against him, ofcourse.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
For nothing, of course.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
My bro.
You know I'm here and that's it.
I'm not gonna go against him.
That's their marriage.
That's the way they decidedthat.
Who am I?
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, he's talking about himself.
I'm talking about him For theman and the.
Thing it's like what are youlike?
So men can't be friends withsingle men if they're married?
That's the weirdest thing I'veever heard.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I'm gonna have her listen to this podcast.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
That's the craziest thing.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
That's what she said.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
That means you have and you have single male friends
, is what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I mean, what are you gonna do though?
Justin, yes, single male no.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Yeah, we need to hang out more.
Well, we do I think?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
that's ridiculous.
And that's another she hastrust issues.
That's exactly what we'retalking about.
That's what that is.
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
It doesn't seem.
I mean, I hang around with hima few times, so he's not my
friend, my friend is her.
But he really doesn't give methe vibe of a guy who just or
does it.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Milky has gives off the impression of being a very
well connected man and with lotsof ladies around him.
And temptations and things.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
I don't think he draws to him?
Speaker 4 (38:54):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I do but Temptation.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
He's almost like temptation Island.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
We don't have a husband going to that island.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Well, you go out, you will.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
You will.
I'm just experiencing.
I'm gonna end this podcastsaying I have a list.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I'm gonna be dropping us a name, I was there.
I'm hard to so.
When you guys went to the cigarbar last time, I should have
been worried that you guys werewith Milky that night.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
You should Dang.
I need to call Anna.
I need to call Anna.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I be like listen this Milky kid.
We can't let our husbands hangout with every single.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
That is crazy to me.
I respect all my friends onmarriage and I, you know, I
applaud them for being the waythey are, for like maintaining a
family, which is reallyimportant, so I'm not into none
of that.
And so I have friends who aremarried who are into really
cheating, and I'm not a part ofit, into real cheating.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Damn.
Yeah, he dropped the mic onthat one.
Yeah, damn, I'm not a part ofit.
Yeah, jax Milky has her ownlist.
He has his own list.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
McRae has his own list.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
He's got the all these guys holding his own cases
.
The more he drinks, the morehe's spilling the whiskey tea.
I like it.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
The whiskey tea I love the whiskey tea, the muskow
tea I think that's the muskowtea, anything else you would
like to add, because?
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I was gonna wrap it up.
But this is juicy.
What else?
What else you got in yourlittle bag over there?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
He and I say I'm just so glad that I'm part of this.
It's again, it's verytherapeutic.
This conversation hopefullywill help.
Hope you guys will just laughand enjoy, entertain, but also
learn and any questions just ask.
We're just approachingeverything.
We can't wait, yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
All right, guys, I'm here for the booze, hey, I know,
I know Brave oes.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
All right, we'll see you guys next time.
Thank you as always.
Thank you, bye.
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Yes, who cheated on you?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yes, that was my first In college.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yes, oh, was it Luranda.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yes, oh.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I knew it.
She sounds like a cheater.
Sorry for all the Lurandas outthere, but that's a cheating
sounding thing.
I don't think there's a lot ofLurandas, but okay.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
She's out there listening right now.
Why are you cheating on Felipe?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm not cheating on you.
Yes, yes, I was, oh, and youwere devastated and you've been
back with her.
So you do forgive, there you go.
You do forgive, you went backwith her, right you?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
have a track record, but I didn't forget, but you
what?
You just had a track record,but I didn't forget and the
track record that's alreadyworked.
She's manipulating.
She's trying to get that allfast.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm like, no, no, you forgive Luranda, you don't
forgive me, and that, no, Iwouldn't ever, I wouldn't, I
wouldn't dare.
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(01:31):
This is for you, Philip, andthis was an interesting question
.
What does it only pertain toyou?
And this is oh, I know whatthis is.
Yeah, how hard is it to raiseanother man's child or children,
(01:56):
and does it ever bother you?
It is hard.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
And I didn't realize how hard it was going to be,
because you always walk into therelationship like, hello,
that's my child, I'm the father.
But the reality is that's notyour child.
My biggest thing was, yeah, Iwalked into the relationship
thinking this is what I'm gonnado, I'm gonna be the father, I'm
(02:21):
gonna be that person forsomeone that I didn't actually
give life to.
There you go, thank you, justin.
So, but it's not and that's notyour child Doesn't mean you
don't love that person.
And the beauty of it with Kaylinis I met Kaylin when she was a
(02:44):
little over one years old.
It was easy to become thatfather figure for her because
her father was pretty muchnonexistent and wasn't present.
So that was easier.
But having him in the earlyyears of her life present was
difficult, because you're gonnaalways hear that you're not my
(03:06):
daddy, you can't tell me this.
And initially it was great whenshe started calling me daddy
and I loved it, but then shestopped, and she stopped early
on and she's never called methat and that really hurts.
But I still love her.
But it's very difficult and Ican't even imagine how difficult
(03:29):
it would be if he was present,if he was actually involved in
her life.
It was difficult enough when hewas just a weekend dad and
really the fun uncle, but forsomeone to be in her life and be
present, I don't know how itwould feel about that, because I
probably would feel better inthe fact that he actually showed
(03:49):
up and spent time with her andwas a father to her.
Then what he did was disappointher consistently over time and
he was very intentional in notbeing present, which was my deal
breaker.
That was one of my things thatI wrote down.
I was never gonna marry someonethat had a child, and I did and
(04:11):
obviously didn't follow that.
But it is very difficult, to behonest.
It's very difficult because youwere very protective of her
when it came to decisions thatwe made and things that we did,
because you wanted to be thatmother and father for her and
protect her over things that wedid.
(04:33):
So our early argument wasalways about how to raise Kaylin
and we had to really talkthrough and go through things
and cause she was spoiled ohwhat.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Who spoiled her?
How did she?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
become spoiled.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh like, let her cry, she's in there, I let her cry
and that was difficult for you Iwas very protective.
She was my little.
She wanted to sleep in the bedwith us.
And I was like no way she'ssleeping in the bed with us.
She was used to sleeping withme.
It was just the two of us, for,yeah, we just slept together.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
She was there more for you than for her.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
She was like my little teddy bear, so that was
hard.
That was difficult.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You have to really know what you want and who you
are as a person to deal withthat, because, yeah, that's not
something that you ideally wantto have to address.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, that's tough and there's a lot of people and
not.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Most people now have to deal with that.
I mean it'll be very rare,honest Milky, to just for you to
walk into a relationship andthat female not having a child
yes, women have a child.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Well, unless he married someone way younger than
him.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
He's gonna marry some girls.
You'll be like 20s.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, I mean, unless he married someone younger,
she'll be 20.
I mean, I was younger, but youguys gonna find me on that list
Everybody's talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, you don't know what list.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
What's the list?
The epstein list?
Yeah, the what?
The epstein list?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Oh dang, oh shit.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Oh, that list.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Oh, I know what you're on about.
Oh gosh, no Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I'm just mad, I'm not a mother W2.
And over here.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh my gosh, Can a woman raise a man?
If and wait, what can a womanraise a man is the next question
.
Actually I did a show on theyeah, what does that mean?
Well, like single moms, we did.
We did a show on that.
I had a group of girls.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Can we raise a man?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I'm gonna be very, very, very, very very.
I was on.
People are going to be like ohno, you can raise a man.
No, they cannot.
Oh, no way.
You're standing firm on that,very firm on that.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And then he also asked if no, was your father in
your life?
So if you think no, was yourfather present?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
My father was very present and in my life and I
can't even imagine not having afather figure in my life.
You can raise a man 100%, Iwill tell you this.
A female to probably more thana male can when it comes to
handling a family, raising adaughter or son, but you have to
(07:12):
have a father figure in thatperson's life.
You have to in a male.
I can't even tell you on theperspective from a female
because I'm not one, but as amale, you have to have a father
figure in that male's life.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Well, there's an example now, like with Khalil,
women are going to approachthings a little bit more.
Most women I'm sure there'swomen out there that are just
are super tough and are moremasculine or manly when it comes
to, like, decision making.
But for the majority of women,for example, khalil Phillip is
trying to have him condition, bemore conditioned, so that when
(07:49):
he goes to soccer tryouts thathe's not, you know, out of shape
.
It's cold.
He's driving him to the parkand then he has his little
backpack and he's running homeas part of his conditioning.
I'm like, is that a little muchfor him?
If it was just me, I'd be likethat wouldn't even be on my
radar to even because I'm likeI'm protecting him.
(08:11):
No, it's cold outside and he'srunning with a backpack.
How many miles is he running?
Phillip's like he is fine.
He is fine and I'm not a man,but I think men need that kind
of push that sometimes Iwouldn't do that.
So I think that's a smallexample of how a woman would
handle something versus a man,and I think he appreciates that
(08:36):
and he's told Phillip I want youto guide me in that way.
I want you to tell me hey, gooutside and go run hills because
he's not going to do it on hisown or go out there.
He has voiced it to Phillipthat that's what he needs,
because Phillip will ask thekids what do I need?
What can I do more of or less?
What do you need from me?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And he did say that as a father and as a provider in
this house.
And I got that from my men'sgroup when we went on a retreat
and I heard that from God saying, hey, you need to step up as a
leader, but you don't know whatyou need to step up as a leader
until you ask, ask your wife,ask your kids.
And so I asked Kalil and I saidwhat do I need to do?
He said I need you to push me,I need you to give me feedback
(09:20):
on things that I need to dobetter, because I'm not going to
do it on my own.
Wow, I said you sure, because Iknow you don't like it when I
tell you this and that.
And he said, yeah, I get that Idon't like it, but I need it.
Good, that was very short forme for him to tell me that at
the time, at 14.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
So God's going to look at a situation totally
different than a female and it'sfunny you say that because I
remember when I was in, I livedin Connecticut and my dad there
was a lady who passed by and shewas.
She told my dad, hey, your sonis built to be in football.
You want to get into football?
And I was like, yeah, let's gethim into football.
(10:04):
So I told my mom I was like,nah, you're going to get hurt
and I never.
So I never learned the game offootball ever.
And just because my mom saidyou're going to get hurt, in my
mind I was like, oh, I'm goingto get hurt.
And I was playing with kidsLike, even if I didn't get hurt,
so what?
Like it's not going to be ahuge injury or whatever.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So you could have been a superstar.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
He could have been, but you know my dad got me
karate, he got me to all thisand stuff like that and I hated
it.
I hated it so much and I wouldjust always be crying to my
mom's opinion.
So you're going to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
He was always there.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
And I can you know he didn't get to speak.
I could see what he wasattempting to do, which is kind
of push me.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
But your mom sounds like she kind of won those
battles, like what she said.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, I mean I listened to my mom.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And I get that.
My mother same thing my father,and this is the difference,
though, because when I was goingto play sports, my mother was
like I don't want to play thatsport.
He needs to run a track, heneeds to play the cello, he
needs to do all these otherthings besides actually getting
hurt.
And my dad was like, yeah, heneeds to get hurt.
(11:14):
My sister chose you, so youknow what I did both.
So I did play football, but Ihad to wait to play football,
and that's what we did withKhalil.
Unfortunately, with Khalil thefirst came, he played with top
of football.
He broke his wrist.
It's horrible First game.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
The first game.
I told you, I told you it wasthe first.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I felt so bad, but this is the crazy thing about it
, that was the second time hebroke his wrist, because he
broke his wrist in Splansockeryeah, the year before.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But you're right, you heal.
It's heartbreaking as a mother,it's like, oh my gosh, I want
to protect my babies.
But it builds resilience in usas humans, like we need to go
through shit, we need to falland get hurt in order to see oh,
we can heal.
I didn't die.
Yeah, you cannot grow.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
If you, everything is safe, everything is perfect,
because parents have thetendency to want to protect
their children from everything,and that's not reality, because
they're going to have to gothrough something.
Obviously you don't want themto have to go through things
that you can avoid as a parent,what there are certain things
(12:33):
they have to go through.
A kid can't grow and develop ifthey're not having some type of
adversity.
A human will never grow ifthey're always comfortable.
If you're always comfortable,then you become complacent and
you'll never actually grow fromadversity.
And so for me, I hated it whenKhalil went through that, both
(12:59):
of those broken ribs, because hedeveloped a lot of anxiety and
a lot of issues mentally withthat.
But he's a stronger person now.
I mean, I was sitting down withhim last week.
I was like man, I know you canrun for soccer.
You know I'm like can you run?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You're making him run and the core of the backpack on
.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm okay with that.
I said, but you still likefootball, you still like getting
hit.
And he's like, yes, I stilllove football.
I love football more than Ilove soccer.
And I was like all right, Isaid, you sure you have to say
that because I'm I love football.
No, I love it.
And he's not good in footballand he's not the best player the
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crazy thing about it.
He's better in soccer.
He's probably going to startthis year in soccer, but he
doesn't even get on the field infootball.
But he loves football and he'slike a tackling dummy.
He gets beat up every 10practice.
That's the 10th grade and butnow he's growing, he's getting
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bigger, which is great, which isawesome.
But the mother wouldn't,wouldn't pursue that for him.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So, as moms, we just need to let the man.
What do you think Justin's?
Over there no Justin's waitinghis turn.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
What's your?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
thinking Justin.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
So I think the definition of a man is changing
in this country.
And I think that that definitionof a man includes men who grow
up with not just one gender of afamily and and I think that
there's also a lot of young menwho are growing and getting
influenced by all sorts ofdifferent things and mother
(14:43):
figures, especially today, Ithink, especially single mothers
it's a lot different than ithas been in the past and I think
I think, just in general, as we, as our generation moves
forward, I think you're going tosee a lot more.
You're going to see a verydifferent man in the future than
what we've seen in the past.
(15:04):
I guess you know for a long,for a long while.
I think it's going to be verydifferent.
Yeah, and I don't think that,and I think that, yeah, women
can raise, raise men.
They're just not going to be astereotype, they're just going
to be very different.
But this doesn't make them moreor less a man, it's just going
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to be a different kind of manand over time there'll be more
and more of men like that.
So it'll change.
It's a cultural shift than whatyou're seeing in this country.
It's going to be very differentbecause there's a lot of other
countries in the world thatstill hold very true to the
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patriarchal hierarchy and theyhave it instilled in their
things.
But they've also, in those samecountries, have elected women
presidents and have done otherthings to advance women in their
country.
I think our country stillstruggles with that a whole lot
and and I think it's just Idon't know it's it's all old way
of thinking.
Remember, we're very youngcountries, so, yeah, very, very
(16:09):
young countries.
So we have a lot to learn and Ithink the world looks at us now
and sees us a little bit lesslike advanced, like you know,
like you know they're alllooking at us saying, saying uh.
the one said Southern, saying uh, oh, bless your heart, america,
(16:31):
america, bless your heart.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, I mean because really that question is been
around for a while, but it is.
Is this what, like you said,it's that stereotype of what
people see, think of what a manis.
All right, let's go back torelationships.
What is the toughest challengeyou have faced in your
relationship?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
So would you, Justin, buy milk.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It could be like dating for you.
All about the money.
That's been the biggestchallenge.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, it takes a lot of time to discuss things like
that, to talk through it, andit's been very tough trying to
get on the same page, you know.
But you know because I, youknow, I think I have a, I have a
very clear vision of and thegoals that I want to hit for
(17:27):
long term.
You know, financial wealth andand I don't think we're on the
same page on that and that'sbeen a day one thing it has it's
not and here's the best part,it's not something that ruins
the marriage, but it's actuallyit's time to can make it
difficult, but that's okay.
That again back to thecommitment, back to the
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understanding that financiallywe're fine, but I do want to be
inclusive in our goals together,because I think together we
could really maximize thosegoals in ways that you couldn't
even imagine and we can makethose steps very easily together
.
You know, with full support.
But you, the way you talk aboutit, it takes commitment.
(18:11):
It takes a one less Starbucksorder.
You know it takes.
Oh, I bet we love Starbucks,justin, you know it's not.
For me it's one less.
One less lunch out you know you, you know it's.
It's cutting back on ongroceries, is like meal planning
, it's sacrifices here and thereand like not going skiing.
(18:32):
Wait, no, no, no, we're notgoing to.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
No, that's not going to ski in as much as.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
No, that's a little that's too much, it's only
winter.
A certain amount of time.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
There you go.
That in and of itself is afraction.
There you go.
So finance Fraction overfraction.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, finance for sure, fractions are always a big
thing, so finances, so what'sthe question again, the toughest
challenge you face?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
you have faced in your relationship so many.
Which one would you like topick?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It's communication.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's communication.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So when we do not actually communicate and I might
go back to it again when weassume, when we don't
communicate, when we assume thisis how things are, this is how
this person is thinking, that'swhere the problems become.
And we always have to be veryintentional on how we
communicate with each other andask the questions and discuss
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things, because I think that'sthe biggest.
The biggest thing is notcommunicating, because we can
get into a routine.
We can get into and it feelsgood at first when you're like
I'm in a routine, we got thislittle groove going, but it can
easily become complacency andwhen it becomes that, then you
(19:57):
don't think you need tocommunicate.
You don't think, oh, she knowswhat I'm thinking, or he knows
what I'm thinking and we're onthis journey together and we
have the same expectations, wehave the same everything.
But things change, peoplechange and when that happens you
have to communicate.
And you have to communicatemultiple times over time.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Philip do we not communicate Like why is he
bringing this up?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I'm not kidding, this is a men's podcast, like I
thought.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
We communicated just fine, no, no, it's true, that's
been our biggest.
We've gotten way better.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Nowadays.
That's my biggest concern withthis society is people are so
focused on social media, sofocused on technology, but it
becomes to a human and being ahuman and talking to someone and
communicating with that personand finding out what their
(20:59):
values are, what they likes anddislikes and what makes them
tick, and then trying to like,accommodate that person.
And I go back to Brian, becausethat was our guy in our men's
group that got at us and thatwas his whole purpose as
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relationships.
And if you don't develop thatwith someone and know what they
like and well know what theydon't like, and Every time it
has to be with you, know justthis social media and talking to
people.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well, I think it's not.
People communicate a lot.
I mean social media.
That's what they're doing allday long is typing, typing.
I think it's also like, evenwith the listening yeah, with
the relationships, there's timeswhen we walked away that we
were not on the same page, butwe were what's the word?
Respectful of it.
I'm not trying to change yourmind.
I want you to understand mypoint of view and you can
(21:55):
understand and still disagree,and I think that's where people
get caught up in the, inrelationships.
It's like you want to win themover to your side, and I've
learned.
I just want you to understand myperspective.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's like, it's like the you want someone to always
agree with you.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, that's not realistic.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That person don't always agree with you, one that
doesn't make you better, onethat doesn't make you grow, and
to that's not realistic.
Because, yeah, I might notagree with Justin, that doesn't
mean I don't love him as abrother and I don't appreciate
his input that he gives, becausehis perspective is his
(22:35):
perspective and I don't havethat same perspective.
But I should always listen towhat he says, and it's not about
someone liking me or Wanting toagree with everything I agree
with, and that's this.
The side is like if they don'tagree with me, then they're my
enemy.
Then agree with you, then it'sokay, it should be okay.
(22:59):
But now it's about oh, it'sthis, oh, they don't agree with
me, then they're the, they'rethe problem and I'm great, right
.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Challenges milky.
I know you're not married, butgirl, what are your girl
challenge?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, you're I guess, I guess more superficial, be
more like, more like trust.
You know, just kind of buildingthat trust is very challenging
because in the process ofknowing somebody it's a distrust
yeah.
It's one of the challenging,but I feel like once I get past
that, then everything would justkind of flow.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
These ladies been burning you.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Hey man, put yourself in my shoes.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We are wrapping it up .
There's one last question andif you guys want to expand on
anything else, oh, we wentthrough all of them already.
Yeah, that's really good.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I mean, it's like so there's not gonna be a part
three.
Oh.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I'll get more questions.
Yeah, I don't have any morequestions.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Let's not be honest.
No, they do mark them for themfor my neighbor.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I'm gonna bring him.
I want yeah.
Well, I want you it.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I want this to be like a continuation.
I want this to be like part,like if we can do it once a
month, that'd be great, but oncea quarter would be cool too.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Once a quarter.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Like I want it to be, like a consistent thing.
Yes, we can do that.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, so we can do that.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
If your significant other didn't like your best
friend and asked for him or hernot to come around, how would
you take that?
Okay?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Bros before hose you know this goes a long way really
that's a very easy question.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
That's a bottom of the bear.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
No no shit, we on we were getting married and she's
like no, you know what?
By the way, I just wanted to bea little honest.
I don't, really don't likePhilip.
No.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I was gonna say cuz Justin, you have a lot of
friends from high school that goback to high school, so you're
telling me that you would justdrop their asses.
Shannon, I wouldn't mean, Iwould drop them, you was just no
no, he's.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
The girl is Okay.
I misunderstood.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'm like I thought you were dropping the friends.
I'm like you Know yourfriendship but you talking about
okay, that makes sense.
Yes, so Anna's never said yougot to drop somebody, no, she
hates all my friends, you.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
She would to come up to me.
You know what?
I really don't want yourfriends coming over anymore.
I'll be like, oh yeah, I reallydon't dare oh.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I knew she didn't like me.
I knew it this whole time.
I knew he loves you.
So what's your question?
Again, if, if I told you youneed to drop your best friend,
would you?
How would you?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
try to drop air.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I made you drop people.
Yeah, considered your bestfriend.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
This is the deal.
This is the deal.
Let's go to that, let's go tothat.
So I had a lot of femalefriends, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
So going back to your otherquestion, when you talk about oh
, the guys don't like share.
I shared with my female friendsabout things that were going on
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and things of that nature,because it was easier to share
with them, because they had aperspective and it was great.
But being married, this is, youknow, when you have to grow and
learn and improve.
We said the commitment to growtogether.
I had to understand that youcan't have a lot of female
friends.
What's this?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It just I just.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I just way disagree, but no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It is not all female friends.
There is certain female friends, and these are the female
friends that he dated in thepast.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
That were named around.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
So don't make it seem like it was like just a just
platonic there's no camera inhere, he's got them around.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
He's got an empty cup right now.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Including wife number one, and when I met him he okay
listen.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
So that's, three friends Okay.
Okay, let's refresh.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
This is part three.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
No, I'm just letting you know, no.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I don't want people to think that I'm like, oh, you
can't have a female friend.
That is not true.
You have a lot of femalefriends and you and you talk to
them, and even now you do.
You talk to them on the phone,you go have lunch with them, I'm
okay.
But there were certain onesthat I'm like what's the point?
(28:14):
Is she really a friend?
Why are we keeping these Right?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
These, these people remember I never, I never.
I'm just saying he's just, Inever Don't make me.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
You Tell them I need you, if you want to talk about
challenges in the relationship.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So doesn't that's been a big?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
challenge in the relationship and I had to grow
because yeah, that was, that wasnot.
I had a lot of female friendsand, yes, most of the people I
dated we still became, we stillwere friends 100%, making drinks
.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So I have to explain.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
It's Friday night it's Friday night we have a
drink.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I'm drinking water, I'm being my wife, you're being
very good.
Wait, what are you making,justin?
Old facts.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
He's like a bartender over here.
I'll taste it.
I'll taste it.
I'll taste it.
I might need a sip of alcoholfor this conversation.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
A couple dash of bitters.
We don't have any oranges.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Actually that tastes good.
That puts some hair on my chest.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
That's whiskey you don't need anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
So yes, go on.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
So I had a bunch of female friends.
Some of them were platonic,some of them were people I dated
and we became friends and wewere main friends.
So yes, in my mind initiallybeing very naive and very, very
ignorant, is I should keep allof my female friends despite,
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just in case no matter what.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Thank you, justin, just in case, this is a workout.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I know they got to deal with it.
We were my female friends, butI agree with Lyanette said half
of my female friends were peopleI had dated in the past Half.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yes, thank you.
That's 50% for all the sisters.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
And I was supposed to be okay with that.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So I was very naive, very ignorant when it came to
that.
Some people I shared thingswith and it was great to have
that perspective because youcould talk to those people
female friends and actually.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Hey look, I look I'm going to come out here because I
have a lot of female friends.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, but did you?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
date a couple of them .
No, I didn't date a couple ofthem.
Thank you, but I have a lot offemale friends and I owe a lot
of some really greatconversations with them.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
That's not the problem.
That is not the problem.
I agree that made me grow.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yes, In my marriage, in my life, in my relationships.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
they're wonderful, wonderful people I have just as
much to tell them no problemwith that, and I get that.
It's the ex-wife and I have thelove of the ex-booty.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Call the ex-booty call those kind of people.
I didn't mean to, I don't havethose.
I don't have them around, thankyou.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Justin.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
So, I had to learn from that and that was a growth
process for me.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
And yes, and he let go, and he let go eventually,
but he went kicking andscreaming.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
So after I kicked and screaming and let go, I
realized that that was notproductive, it wasn't, that was
not, that was not beingintentional, I'm just curious.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
In my marriage.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
What kind of stuff that you and your ex-wife talk
about when you guys were friendsand we were married, like
that's just interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
You know what it?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
was.
It was about like How's yourdad doing?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I'm sure.
Save save.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
How's Milky with the save?
How's the dog?
Oh, he's still alive.
Wow, hey, yo, hey, yo, hey, youdon't need anything to let me
know Exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
But you know, we are all friends, we are all friends,
we are all friends, we are allfriends, we are all friends.
But I realized that that was aproductive conversation, protect
a real relationship, and Ithink the thing was it was more
of me saying you know what?
I have someone I can actuallytalk to, from a perspective that
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I can't talk to a male with,because, yeah, there's certain
things you do you can't relatewith, but having a true platonic
female friend is awesomeBecause they can give you a
perspective that you can't evertruly understand.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, do you feel, as a man, were they all single or
were they married?
They were both.
They were both Okay, mostlysingle, mostly single, okay.
So did you feel, even ifthey're single or they're
married, did you feel some sortof a connection or some sort of
(33:22):
a man figure in their lives?
Yes, okay, and was that the?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And it was reciprocal , because they would have
questions for me aboutrelationships.
They were in Gotcha and I meanlike hey, is this the thing?
This is what I told Katelyn,too, when she was dating.
You can't go to your mother andask her about a relationship
with a guy, because I'm the onlyone that can give you that
(33:52):
answer.
Your mother can give you aperspective, which is awesome
and great, but I'm the only onethat knows what that guy's
thinking.
I know what he's thinking whenhe's telling you this.
I know what a guy's thinkingwhen he's saying whatever I've
done that, I've been there yourmother can only tell you how she
(34:15):
feels about when a guy tellsyou this or that.
I can tell you what he's reallysaying when he says that.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I mean, and I will add, I would rather have my kids
, if I had kids go to theirmother than go to their friends.
But I agree 100% with whatyou're saying.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You don't want them to go to your friends.
Their friends don't knowanything.
No, what are you talking about?
But they do.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
No dude teenagers.
Now you know this is got thememo.
They know everything.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
They're a lot smarter .
Speaker 4 (34:48):
They were.
They are way smarter.
They have phones.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
That has all the information that they need in it
.
It's all they need.
They have everything they have.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
They have their crystals.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
If something goes wrong.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
They know the answer.
They don't know it, google will.
Yes, yes, 100%.
They know that's funny 100%.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
All right, guys.
This is always so much fun, butwait, hold on, I'm going to say
this for a while.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Oh OK, I thought we were done.
No wait, there's more.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Well, I've been.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Wait, let's put this in the post script.
Yeah, Be, like bonus.
Yeah, the milkwaters extendededitions there's more.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I want to say that funny thing I've been in the end
of my best friends telling themthey don't want to hang around
with me.
Oh, yes, oh it's good.
And the only reason that shesaid that is because I'm single.
So she assumed that every timeI hang around with him is to do
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certain things.
And I really do respect myfriends on relationship to the
point that most of the times Iactually get along better with
the wife that I do with myfriends.
After a while they just get toknow me and the relationship is
just great.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
You text your homies' wives?
Yeah, they text me.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Sometimes I get texts from.
I get texts happy birthdaysfrom them.
Then I do it from my homies.
Oh, that's a whole different,and I have little heart emojis
and like lipstick emojis and sex.
No, because there's a line ofrespect.
You can send anything and it'sstill all cool because it's
boundaries.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
But I do text my friends.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I talk to my friend, which is weird she's married and
she told me, because I told herabout it, because I felt bad,
and she said well, you know what, I don't let my husband hang
around with his single friendslike that.
But I don't say no and I hangaround with her.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Thank you the last word?
Yeah, I don't know about that.
She told me that.
And I was like well, and shesaid yeah, because what are you
going to talk about?
What are you going to?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
do she's like that.
And then she told me we'regoing to talk about you crazy.
Exactly the same thing.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
We're going to talk about exactly you.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
But it's funny because I was single and she
hangs around with me.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
That's what I mean, but I was so nervous, but I was
so weird because I'm like Ithink that's weird because
that's a dumb reason, yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I have two friends that stop that, stop talking to
you, and he says hi here andthere, but I really know what it
is, it's not the same.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And I don't feel that hurt.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, because it makes me feel like we've been
through so much.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yeah, I am.
You were going through a minibreakup, Like that's really what
it is.
The man could be like listen,like rich I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I wonder what conversation they're having with
their wives.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
A good friend, though , would just respect that I
wouldn't go against him, ofcourse.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
For nothing, of course.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
My bro.
You know I'm here and that's it.
I'm not gonna go against him.
That's their marriage.
That's the way they decidedthat.
Who am I?
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, he's talking about himself.
I'm talking about him For theman and the.
Thing it's like what are youlike?
So men can't be friends withsingle men if they're married?
That's the weirdest thing I'veever heard.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I'm gonna have her listen to this podcast.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
That's the craziest thing.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
That's what she said.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
That means you have and you have single male friends
, is what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I mean, what are you gonna do though?
Justin, yes, single male no.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Yeah, we need to hang out more.
Well, we do I think?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
that's ridiculous.
And that's another she hastrust issues.
That's exactly what we'retalking about.
That's what that is.
That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
It doesn't seem.
I mean, I hang around with hima few times, so he's not my
friend, my friend is her.
But he really doesn't give methe vibe of a guy who just or
does it.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Milky has gives off the impression of being a very
well connected man and with lotsof ladies around him.
And temptations and things.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
I don't think he draws to him?
Speaker 4 (38:54):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I do but Temptation.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
He's almost like temptation Island.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
We don't have a husband going to that island.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Well, you go out, you will.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
You will.
I'm just experiencing.
I'm gonna end this podcastsaying I have a list.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I'm gonna be dropping us a name, I was there.
I'm hard to so.
When you guys went to the cigarbar last time, I should have
been worried that you guys werewith Milky that night.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
You should Dang.
I need to call Anna.
I need to call Anna.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I be like listen this Milky kid.
We can't let our husbands hangout with every single.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
That is crazy to me.
I respect all my friends onmarriage and I, you know, I
applaud them for being the waythey are, for like maintaining a
family, which is reallyimportant, so I'm not into none
of that.
And so I have friends who aremarried who are into really
cheating, and I'm not a part ofit, into real cheating.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Damn.
Yeah, he dropped the mic onthat one.
Yeah, damn, I'm not a part ofit.
Yeah, jax Milky has her ownlist.
He has his own list.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
McRae has his own list.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
He's got the all these guys holding his own cases
.
The more he drinks, the morehe's spilling the whiskey tea.
I like it.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
The whiskey tea I love the whiskey tea, the muskow
tea I think that's the muskowtea, anything else you would
like to add, because?
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I was gonna wrap it up.
But this is juicy.
What else?
What else you got in yourlittle bag over there?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
He and I say I'm just so glad that I'm part of this.
It's again, it's verytherapeutic.
This conversation hopefullywill help.
Hope you guys will just laughand enjoy, entertain, but also
learn and any questions just ask.
We're just approachingeverything.
We can't wait, yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
All right, guys, I'm here for the booze, hey, I know,
I know Brave oes.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
All right, we'll see you guys next time.
Thank you as always.
Thank you, bye.
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