February 21, 2025 • 29 mins
In this hard-hitting episode, Patti Katter sits down with Morgan Lerette, former U.S. Army soldier, Blackwater contractor, and author of Guns, Girls, and Greed, to expose the ugly truth about human trafficking—right here in the U.S. and across the Southern Border.
Morgan breaks down how cartels operate trafficking networks, smuggling people for profit, and the disturbing realities of modern-day slavery. He sheds light on who is really pulling the strings, how corruption allows this industry to thrive, and the challenges law enforcement and nonprofits face in trying to stop it.
💡 Topics Covered in This Episode:
✔️ How cartels control human trafficking at the Southern Border
✔️ The different types of trafficking—beyond what most people think
✔️ The role of corruption
✔️ Nonprofits on the front lines
✔️ How everyday people can help fight trafficking
This episode isn’t just about raising awareness—it’s about taking action. If you want the unfiltered truth about what’s really happening and how we can stop it, this is a must-listen.
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Hi, everybody. Welcome to another episode of
Wake Up with Patty Catter. I have Morgan Lorette on the
show. Morgan, thank you so much for
being on. Morgan is the author of Guns,
Girls in Greed. He was a Blackwater mercenary.
Morgan, let's jump in. And I want you to tell my
listeners a little bit about yourself before you were in
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Blackwater. Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I'm, I'm the poster child for pre 911 military
recruiting. I grew up small town Cottonwood,
AZ. I my guidance counselor was
like, don't worry, you're not going to go to college anyway.
So she gave my information to all the recruiters.
So they just lined up outside mydoor to get me in.
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And my grandfather was in World War 2 and he said if you're
going to join the military, go into the Air Force because they
have the best food. So that's about as much thought
as I put into joining the military when I started.
And then September 11th happenedand everything absolutely
changed. So I went from being in the Air
Force National Guard to being active duty for two years.
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They sent me over to Oman where we had like the AC130 gunships
supporting Afghanistan. Then they sent me to Jordan in
the, in the like, preamble to the Iraq war that we didn't know
if it was going to happen or not.
And then Jordan kicked us out. So they sent me to Kuwait.
And then Kuwait was all about going and taking out Saddam
Hussein. So I went in during the ground
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offensive in 2003. Anybody that was there for the
ground offensive with all your chemical gear on, they'll tell
you how absolutely miserable it was.
And they're not lying. It was, it was absolutely
terrible. But that's where we, you know,
we rescue Jessica Lynch out of Tolu Air Base, which is the air
base that we started. And then I got done after the
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two years of active duty and waslike, what the heck am I going
to do with my life? So I started going to college
and my buddy was like, dude, let's go work for Blackwater.
And I said, that sounds absolutely insane because those
Blackwater guys just got hanged off a bridge.
What are you talking about? And he's like, I'm going to do
it. So he ended up going to
Blackwater and tell them, hey, call my buddy Morgan.
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So I got a call at like 6:00 in the morning from some guy at
Blackwater. I still remember his name.
And he's like, you want to come work for Blackwater?
And it's not, not really. And he's like $500 a day, 10%
bonus. You make a 550 a day, we'll get
you over to Iraq. And I was like, yes, I do.
I do want to work for Blackwaterfor that kind of money.
So that's really how I got into Blackwater.
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Started there in August 2004, right as we kind of transition
from giving, you know, pretty much having their government
under the Department of Defense to moving it to a Department of
State mission because they they had an interim government.
So I protected diplomats for Blackwater.
We did everything from the regime crimes liaison team.
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So the guys collected evidence against Saddam Hussein and
chemical Ali, which was kind of neat.
I mean, it's not neat when you're going to mass graves up
in Kurdistan and Halaja, but hearing the evidence that we
actually gathered and hearing itcome up in court was was pretty
neat, All right? You felt like you were doing
something good for the war effort.
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And then after a while you just kind of realized that everybody
was over there and as a cash grab.
So you may as well get paid while you're over there, which
is kind of like how the book transitions.
So once I got done with Blackwater, I joined the Army,
really wanted to fly helicoptersbecause I, I flown another
Blackwater. They're really cool.
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And when I joined the ROTC signed on the dotted line, they
said, hey, if you want to fly helicopters, it's a 7 1/2 year
commitment. And I said, I don't, I don't
want to fly helicopters that bad.
So I ended up joining the Army as an intelligence officer.
They sent me back to Iraq, literally to the same places
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that we did with the regime Crimes Liaison Office where
Saddam Hussein got hanged. It's called JSS Justice in
northern Baghdad. And I got to watch all these
private contractors going in andout of our base.
And I'd be like, why didn't theytell us they were coming?
Like, we could have given them support or something bad
happened. And then I'd have to go back in
my brain bucket and say, oh, yeah, that was me.
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You know, that's exactly where we did stuff.
So that's really kind of what what drove me to to where I'm at
today after the Army went to Graduate School out of Tufts
University, which apparently is a very Snooty school I had never
heard of when I was younger. And now I'm just kind of working
in corporate America, raising a couple of kids with a wife, two
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dogs, no white picket fence. But you know, we got some
cactus. Was that hard for you when you
were getting out of the militaryand out of all of the other work
that you were doing to kind of transition because you had a
whole lot of adrenaline rushing,it sounds like.
Yeah, I say war is toxic, but it's intoxicating.
All right? So when you get out of a war
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zone with your military unit, you deploy as a unit and then
you come back as a unit. And all those guys are kind of
together, right? You're with your your brothers,
your sisters. When I went over with
Blackwater, you just go there asan independent contractor.
It's just, you know, party of 1.So when you fly home, all the
people that you know and you canlike talk to, they're all either
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in Iraq, they're in Afghanistan.Well, you got some friends that
are stateside, but they're in Washington or they're in
Tennessee, right? Like, so transitioning from
Blackwater was a lot, lot more difficult just because you know,
you feel or I felt like I was alone on an island.
And this was December 2005, January 2006.
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Nobody was talking about PTSD. Even the soldiers coming back.
You know, I think people were still saying shell shock, right?
Like it was just you, you come back and you have that
adrenaline rush. And all I wanted to do was keep
going back and contracting because that's where my friends
were. Right.
So if your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?
Yeah. Yeah, you probably would.
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I'll be honest with you, especially at that point.
So it it is, it is extremely difficult as a soldier to do it.
It's harder as a private military contractor.
And then at times you, you, you just yearn for it so much that
you think maybe I'm better off, right.
I, that movie, The Hurt Locker, not the greatest movie ever, but
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it really does kind of get into the psyche of the person that
wants to just keep going back and back to war.
And that was me. And that's a lot of veterans.
Yeah. I mean, it seems like what are
you going to do when you get back out of a war area?
I mean, are you going to go workat the grocery store?
Are you going to, you know, relax or you're going to try to
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retire? And then when you do try to
settle down, that has to be really difficult too.
Yeah, I had a sweet job waiting for me at Sam's Club.
I didn't take it because I was like, what the heck am I going
to do? And I'm not here to give anybody
advice because I just winged it.But the one thing that I was
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able to do is go to college and it kind of puts you into a
situation where you have to go and be around people because if
it's just you, you know, and a bottle of booze, it's not going
to turn out very good. At least with college for me, I
felt like I was moving forward, doing something, the better
myself to take that next career step.
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And then you get to hang out with a bunch of people that they
don't have that world experience.
And here's my other little tiny bit of advice.
You don't have to give it to them.
That was my big problem in college.
And I, I talked to vets all the time.
They're doing this well, they don't know they're young kids.
They haven't even gotten out of their parents.
Oh, they haven't even folded their own laundry.
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Who cares? Like you can give them
information, but at the end of the day, we've almost as
veterans, we've created this like conflict between US and
like the young college students or people that haven't lived the
life that we have. And you have to I, I just tell
people you have to get over yourself.
Like it's not that big of a deal.
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Yeah, I was just talking to somebody yesterday about how
sometimes in the military community you get in the habit
of, hey, I'm so and so I served in the military like right away
just volunteering that information.
And I find that for me as a spouse and a caregiver of a
veteran, I don't go up and say, like, hi, my husband was in the
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military, how are you? You know, like that's sometimes
the last thing that I talk about.
Yeah, where are your, where are your veteran status?
Like a pocket watch, only take it out when somebody asks you
and what time it is so. And, you know, quite honestly,
the majority of those who actually did a lot of high speed
stuff that you're talking about,typically they don't fall into
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the information. It's the ones that, you know, I
wish I had done this or I did this wrong.
So here I am. But yeah, so I'm going to take a
quick commercial break here and then we're going to jump into
some really hard hitting stuff about human trafficking.
It's a hot topic right now. It's something that's been going
on a while and it's really important for everybody to hear.
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Thanks everybody, and we're back.
Morgan, let's talk about human trafficking.
It's been going on for as long as we were alive, but let's talk
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about modern day human trafficking.
What do you have for us? Yeah, essentially what the US
government and, you know, our tax dollars have gone to is
human trafficking child migrantsfrom the US Mexico border.
And what they're doing is they're kind of obscuring it
with all these things. So when you hear about USAID was
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funding all these Lutheran organizations all to help with
migration, there's a there's a company called SW Keys.
What happens is, is that they hide stuff under contracts and
they have other individuals not employed by, you know,
Department of Homeland Security or, or Health and Human
Services. And it gets really difficult to
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figure out where the money is going and what it's being used
for. So when you hear about the
340,000 children that have been lost, this is the reason why.
And I'll, I'll walk you right through the supply chain if if
you want. So migrant child shows up.
Now here's The thing is before they even get to the US Mexico
border, there are NGOs. One of them is called No More
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Deaths and they have water stations set up and there's
tents. And within these tents it tells
people, hey, there's Border Patrol over here, don't go.
There's no Border Patrol over here.
Go. So all these NGOs that are being
funded are telling them what to do to prepare them to get to the
US Mexico border. And then once they get to those
little tents, they tell them, get rid of all your
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identification, don't have a passport, don't have anything.
And this is for the minors as well as the adults when they're
dropped off with DHS, DHS or Border Patrol cannot ask them
any questions if they claim to be under the age of 14.
So if you show up with a big Gray beard and you say you're
14, DHS, his hands are tied, which is insane to me.
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But they can't fingerprint, theycan't question, they can't ask
for ID, they can't anything. Now, once they have a minor
specifically under the age of 14, they can only hold that
individual for 72 hours, which goes all the way back to
President Obama's kids in cages thing.
So where are you going to put all these children?
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What you do, what they do is they have a contract under DHS
that hands them off to private military companies.
And I only found out about this because when I wrote the book,
people would say, hey, we got a contract if you're interested.
And I'd say, what is these like these wonky contracts that are
coming up at the US border? Why would we be there?
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So anyway, hand them off to a private military contractor, MVM
Mike, Victor. Mike is the largest one.
And they move them from the border into the United States.
So when you see those videos on X and they're going through an
airport and they have all these kids and they say, who are you?
Who do you work with? That's MDM.
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And they turn their little badgearound so you don't know who
they are. And they don't have to be
accountable to anybody because they don't work for a government
agency. Now, MDM then takes that child
and hands them off to a NGO or nonprofit, whatever you want to
call them. And those nonprofits are under
an HHS contract. See how it gets more obscure as
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you go. So HHS funds all these, you
know, the Lutheran stuff that you've been hearing about the
Catholic Church, SW Keys, all this is under Health and Human
Services, under the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
Those people are supposed to go and find the sponsors for these
children and then hand them off.Now, in a perfect world, the
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child goes through the process, gets handed off to their aunt or
their uncle or their mom or their dad.
What's happening is smugglers know this process.
So when they drop a kid off at the border, they tell them, hey,
this is your sponsor when you get to Kentucky or Nevada or
wherever it is. So they go all the way through
this process, the first time they've probably ever been in a
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plane with the with a private military contractor.
They're stuck at essentially an orphanage or like a, a homeless
shelter with HHS. And then they say, hey, my
sponsor's this person Smuggler told them who their sponsor is.
And then those sweet nonprofits are handing them off back to the
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smugglers. Two things can happen that a
smuggler can then try to get themoney out of the families,
right? You keep hearing about they paid
$25,000 to get somebody to the US so they have hold of them so
they guaranteed to get paid. Or if they don't get paid or if
they don't care, that's when youhear about kids that are getting
moved into drug trafficking, gang activity, sex trafficking,
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you name it. So when you think we've lost 400
or 340,000 of these kids, how did it happen?
That's exactly how it's happening.
So can you clarify a little bit about refugee status, those who
come in as P1P2 SIV versus thosewho are coming in like this?
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I mean, I wish, I wish I knew more about it.
Here's what I can tell you is that there are great nonprofits
out there that are doing that. You know what you mentioned,
like the people from Afghanistanthat are coming over, their
interpreters, they're getting screened.
They're making sure that that isthe person that they say they
are. They're giving them Social
Security numbers, green cards, whatever they need to do.
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The difference between that and what you're seeing at the US
Mexico border is these people are coming up and they say we're
going to claim asylum. They go all the way through that
process and then they're grantedtemporary status to stay in the
United States and theoretically to work in the United States
while they're pending a court case that could be anywhere
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between 18 to 24 months away. So these migrants and the
smugglers and, and everybody else is playing the long game.
Like after two years, are you going to be able to find this
person? Are you going to actually kick
them out after they've established a family?
So it's, it's completely different in that it, it is
allowing people, you know, it's what do they say possession is
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99% of the law. Like they're essentially saying
now I live in the United States,I have a house, I have a home, I
have a family. Now kick me out.
Wow, so also another question people who might be listening
may have is how do you have a child by themselves at the
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border? And I know one of the things
that I've experienced first handwas when I was in Guatemala,
there were so many mothers asking me just to take their
child, bring them, take them to America, bring them home with
you, you know, take them home with you.
Like it's very easy. You know, they, they're thinking
that they're giving their child a better future because that's
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what they've been fed. They're thinking America, it's,
you know, rolling grass, hills, always summertime, beautiful
ocean surrounding the entire country, wealth among all
people. Yeah, it's like, remember that
movie 5 Hill Goes West, where the mice are?
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Like, there are no cats in America, right?
That's what they're being fed. So look, if I'm in Guatemala or
Venezuela, I would absolutely want my kids to go up there.
But there's two things that are happening with that.
One is those people are handing them off to smugglers and
they're paying smugglers. Or two, they're handing them off
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to cartels. And what the cartels have done,
which is, you know, call what you want, it's immoral, but it's
still genius. What they do is they grab a
bunch of these children, so kidnap them, drop them off at a
place called like Eagle Pass. And then all those Border Patrol
agents have to go and, and take care of these children.
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Well, once you pull that supportfrom other locations to one
location, it really allows thosedrug cartels to start moving
drugs north. And you, you see this all the
time where, you know, the BorderPatrol I just saw had found 60
lbs of meth on the US Mexico border.
That is, that is the tip of the iceberg because they don't have
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the resources, especially when you're dealing with kids, right?
Like the media is going to jump on it if there is a problem with
kids. So once you pull those resources
in, hey, you know, get that guy his backpack and get him across
the border. Right.
And you know, I do remember seeing something very recently
about some kids who were found in the floorboard of a trunk of
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a vehicle. So they were literally smashed
in there for I forgot how many hours coming across the border.
And thankfully one of the agentsfound them.
They lifted up the floorboard ofthe vehicle and they were just
pushed in there. I've also read about kids being
brought over and a semi truck atone point.
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I think this was back in the 80s, They even had the problem.
So one question I have is you read about this human
trafficking where the kids are still alive, but I've also heard
about organ harvesting. Is that actually something
that's a big deal, or is that one of those stories that just
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gets blown out of proportion? It, it definitely gets blown out
of proportion because here's thething, the cartels, the
smugglers, they're business people.
You can't take a a child and then move them to United States
and do organ harvesting or else you don't have that kid that can
go into more, more horrible work, right?
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The sex trafficking, the drug dealing, getting getting into a
gang, right? So you're almost killing your
profit center. I'm not saying it doesn't
happen, but that's not the motive to get these kids north.
Yeah, I agree. I actually studied up a little
bit about this human organ transfer and all this stuff and
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you have to have somebody hookedup to a respirator basically, or
they have to be alive to take their organs.
There was some article going around the Internet saying, oh,
there's a semi truck full of dead children and it was in the
80s and they're going to take their organs.
And I'm like, that doesn't even make sense.
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No, no. So you have to put common sense
into this, which is why it gets obscured by the US government,
right? If you put common sense into it,
you'd say this doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
And then you have to go through the process of identifying who
has the contract, what's the name of the company, what is it
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under? Is it under HHSDHSUSAID?
You name it. And it's just, there's very few
people that have taken the time to look at what that supply
chain is, but you hear about every bit and piece of that and
you're hearing more and more about it in the news right now.
Absolutely. So what about adult human
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trafficking? Is it the same type of deal?
Yeah, adult human trafficking isa little bit of wealth.
I wouldn't say it's more complex.
It's probably less complex because as an adult you go
through that process and you have to, you know, apply for
asylum and there's, there's moreeyes on you and there's more,
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there's more steps that you haveto take as an adult than you do
as a kid. The child stuff, although it's
more complex, it's just easier because you don't have the
child's name and they don't have, you know, we grew up with
birth certificates and Social Security numbers.
These people don't have any of that stuff.
So with the adults, it's the same thing.
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Throw your passports, throw yourIDs, you can come in and you can
change your name. You could be a whole different
person. And I, my guess is that's how
you get that. The trans, I don't know the
what, what are they called the the gang members that come up
here and they come up here in forces because they may be known
gang members. But if they change their name
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and we don't have something thatcan fingerprint them to say
they're part of this gang with the cartels, then we just let
them in. Man, we have our hands full.
So I think with kids too, they're easy to get them to lie.
So I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday and she said that
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there was a child that they found out was abused.
That was her friend's child. And the biggest thing is that
child was told don't tell anybody you know, and they use
all these threats against them, I'm assuming, but curious, are
these kids being groomed along the way?
So besides saying, OK, we're going to throw away your
passports, are they getting groomed?
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And then the other thing is to tailor on that for fun.
During COVID, I worked at a spa,a day spa, and they had training
on how to recognize human trafficking.
Because the women, the young girls, especially if they're
like between, I think it was like 10 and 14 years old, they
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would have them groomed by taking them to these fancy spas
and getting their nails done andtheir hair done and their makeup
and all that stuff. So when you're talking about
these southern areas like the border and things like that, are
they going through that kind of process or what you know?
Yeah, I'm, I'm going to make an assumption that they aren't
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being groomed on the way up. That's happening once they get
into the United States, right? So, you know, there's no cats in
America and the streets are paved with cheese.
I guarantee you they're telling their kids that this is going to
be great for you. You're going to get up there,
you're going to get set with family members.
Everything's going to be perfect.
We just need you to do 1234, do these four steps, and we'll get
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you out. Once they get through that
process, that's when you have tostart grooming.
If you start at the beginning, you know, I've got kids, they're
going to blab. So if you get them through that
process and you have all these promises and say don't tell them
this, don't tell them that. And you get them there and then
you get their nails done and youstart, you know, getting them
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into that idea that they're going to go into, you know,
prostitution. It's much easier to do that once
you've already captured them on the back end than at the front.
True, Yeah. What do we look for as normal
American citizens? I mean, is there anything that
we can do because they do make it through the border,
thankfully, it's going to be a lot harder to get through the
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border hopefully now and moving forward.
But still, there must be some signs that we as a nation can
look for and and can we report it or who do we report it to?
Yeah. I mean, look, first and
foremost, we have to stop the spigot, right?
And and that's what's happening down at the US Mexico border
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right now. That's going to get to where
smugglers, the cartels are not going there and kidnapping kids
and bringing them up. So that's going to reduce it
right there. Once they get through that
process, it's exceptionally difficult, right?
And I've I've seen the same things you have.
You go into a bathroom and it says report child trafficking.
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It's just it's hard because we live in a society where, you
know, we don't really want people in our business and we
don't want to get into their business.
So the kids have to come up. But if a kid approaches you and
says, like, I need help, don't ask any questions.
Go get them help. Call the cops, call whoever you
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need to to get them in. And I think the the universal
hand signal for distress is likethis, right?
Something something like that. If you see that, like, see
something, say something. Yeah, I I'll even take it a step
further. I was down the road here.
There's a little restaurant area, and there was a little
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girl outside, and she was just sitting by herself.
And it wasn't a very great area right there.
So I said, hey, you know, who are you with?
And I thought, OK, this could betaken two ways.
If a parent's nearby and sees metalking to this kid, right?
But she said, oh, he went into this McDonald's nearby.
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And I was like, you know, does he know the area?
Do you guys know the area? And she's like, no.
So I was like, OK, I'm just going to wait right here for you
until your dad gets back. So I did.
And when he came out, he was so thankful because he didn't
actually know the area either. And he really didn't think about
it. And then he's like, well, I was
in line and it was taking longerthan I thought.
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And I I kind of wondered if I should have left her out there.
And I'm thinking, my gosh, she was actually six years old.
I do remember now because I asked her, you know, how old are
you? And so I just sat out there to
make sure she was OK. And if a parent thinks that's
creepy when they come out, like I automatically said, show me
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your dad when he comes out. And she did.
And I went over to him and I talked to him and I told him,
you know, this isn't a very great area.
I wanted just to make sure she was OK.
Most parents who leave their little ones outside by
themselves are not even going toquestion you for talking to them
probably. But I think that it's OK to
volunteer that information. What do you think?
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Yeah, well, I mean, look at the risk versus the reward, right?
You were risking that this guy would come out and get mad and
he didn't. And I think that if you're not
trafficking children that you'reprobably going to get that
reaction a lot of the time. I would also say, don't go to,
you know, a football game and race up to everybody that's got
a kid and start saying are they being trafficked, right.
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Like there's, there's a balance here, but on net, if you do that
and you approach children that are, that are being left alone,
you're probably going to get a lot of positive interactions
with their parents as opposed topeople thinking, oh, the parents
going to come up and, and you know, yell at me.
But look, worst case scenario, you get yelled at.
Look, I was in the military, I got yelled at all the time.
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It's not a big deal. I, I still go home and go to
sleep. It's probably worth getting
yelled at just to make sure. Yeah.
All right, everybody, thank you so much for listening and make
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Hi, everybody. Welcome to another episode of
Wake Up with Patty Catter. I have Morgan Lorette on the
show. Morgan, thank you so much for
being on. Morgan is the author of Guns,
Girls in Greed. He was a Blackwater mercenary.
Morgan, let's jump in. And I want you to tell my
listeners a little bit about yourself before you were in
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Blackwater. Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I'm, I'm the poster child for pre 911 military
recruiting. I grew up small town Cottonwood,
AZ. I my guidance counselor was
like, don't worry, you're not going to go to college anyway.
So she gave my information to all the recruiters.
So they just lined up outside mydoor to get me in.
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And my grandfather was in World War 2 and he said if you're
going to join the military, go into the Air Force because they
have the best food. So that's about as much thought
as I put into joining the military when I started.
And then September 11th happenedand everything absolutely
changed. So I went from being in the Air
Force National Guard to being active duty for two years.
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They sent me over to Oman where we had like the AC130 gunships
supporting Afghanistan. Then they sent me to Jordan in
the, in the like, preamble to the Iraq war that we didn't know
if it was going to happen or not.
And then Jordan kicked us out. So they sent me to Kuwait.
And then Kuwait was all about going and taking out Saddam
Hussein. So I went in during the ground
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offensive in 2003. Anybody that was there for the
ground offensive with all your chemical gear on, they'll tell
you how absolutely miserable it was.
And they're not lying. It was, it was absolutely
terrible. But that's where we, you know,
we rescue Jessica Lynch out of Tolu Air Base, which is the air
base that we started. And then I got done after the
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two years of active duty and waslike, what the heck am I going
to do with my life? So I started going to college
and my buddy was like, dude, let's go work for Blackwater.
And I said, that sounds absolutely insane because those
Blackwater guys just got hanged off a bridge.
What are you talking about? And he's like, I'm going to do
it. So he ended up going to
Blackwater and tell them, hey, call my buddy Morgan.
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So I got a call at like 6:00 in the morning from some guy at
Blackwater. I still remember his name.
And he's like, you want to come work for Blackwater?
And it's not, not really. And he's like $500 a day, 10%
bonus. You make a 550 a day, we'll get
you over to Iraq. And I was like, yes, I do.
I do want to work for Blackwaterfor that kind of money.
So that's really how I got into Blackwater.
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Started there in August 2004, right as we kind of transition
from giving, you know, pretty much having their government
under the Department of Defense to moving it to a Department of
State mission because they they had an interim government.
So I protected diplomats for Blackwater.
We did everything from the regime crimes liaison team.
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So the guys collected evidence against Saddam Hussein and
chemical Ali, which was kind of neat.
I mean, it's not neat when you're going to mass graves up
in Kurdistan and Halaja, but hearing the evidence that we
actually gathered and hearing itcome up in court was was pretty
neat, All right? You felt like you were doing
something good for the war effort.
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And then after a while you just kind of realized that everybody
was over there and as a cash grab.
So you may as well get paid while you're over there, which
is kind of like how the book transitions.
So once I got done with Blackwater, I joined the Army,
really wanted to fly helicoptersbecause I, I flown another
Blackwater. They're really cool.
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And when I joined the ROTC signed on the dotted line, they
said, hey, if you want to fly helicopters, it's a 7 1/2 year
commitment. And I said, I don't, I don't
want to fly helicopters that bad.
So I ended up joining the Army as an intelligence officer.
They sent me back to Iraq, literally to the same places
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that we did with the regime Crimes Liaison Office where
Saddam Hussein got hanged. It's called JSS Justice in
northern Baghdad. And I got to watch all these
private contractors going in andout of our base.
And I'd be like, why didn't theytell us they were coming?
Like, we could have given them support or something bad
happened. And then I'd have to go back in
my brain bucket and say, oh, yeah, that was me.
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You know, that's exactly where we did stuff.
So that's really kind of what what drove me to to where I'm at
today after the Army went to Graduate School out of Tufts
University, which apparently is a very Snooty school I had never
heard of when I was younger. And now I'm just kind of working
in corporate America, raising a couple of kids with a wife, two
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dogs, no white picket fence. But you know, we got some
cactus. Was that hard for you when you
were getting out of the militaryand out of all of the other work
that you were doing to kind of transition because you had a
whole lot of adrenaline rushing,it sounds like.
Yeah, I say war is toxic, but it's intoxicating.
All right? So when you get out of a war
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zone with your military unit, you deploy as a unit and then
you come back as a unit. And all those guys are kind of
together, right? You're with your your brothers,
your sisters. When I went over with
Blackwater, you just go there asan independent contractor.
It's just, you know, party of 1.So when you fly home, all the
people that you know and you canlike talk to, they're all either
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in Iraq, they're in Afghanistan.Well, you got some friends that
are stateside, but they're in Washington or they're in
Tennessee, right? Like, so transitioning from
Blackwater was a lot, lot more difficult just because you know,
you feel or I felt like I was alone on an island.
And this was December 2005, January 2006.
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Nobody was talking about PTSD. Even the soldiers coming back.
You know, I think people were still saying shell shock, right?
Like it was just you, you come back and you have that
adrenaline rush. And all I wanted to do was keep
going back and contracting because that's where my friends
were. Right.
So if your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?
Yeah. Yeah, you probably would.
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I'll be honest with you, especially at that point.
So it it is, it is extremely difficult as a soldier to do it.
It's harder as a private military contractor.
And then at times you, you, you just yearn for it so much that
you think maybe I'm better off, right.
I, that movie, The Hurt Locker, not the greatest movie ever, but
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it really does kind of get into the psyche of the person that
wants to just keep going back and back to war.
And that was me. And that's a lot of veterans.
Yeah. I mean, it seems like what are
you going to do when you get back out of a war area?
I mean, are you going to go workat the grocery store?
Are you going to, you know, relax or you're going to try to
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retire? And then when you do try to
settle down, that has to be really difficult too.
Yeah, I had a sweet job waiting for me at Sam's Club.
I didn't take it because I was like, what the heck am I going
to do? And I'm not here to give anybody
advice because I just winged it.But the one thing that I was
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able to do is go to college and it kind of puts you into a
situation where you have to go and be around people because if
it's just you, you know, and a bottle of booze, it's not going
to turn out very good. At least with college for me, I
felt like I was moving forward, doing something, the better
myself to take that next career step.
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And then you get to hang out with a bunch of people that they
don't have that world experience.
And here's my other little tiny bit of advice.
You don't have to give it to them.
That was my big problem in college.
And I, I talked to vets all the time.
They're doing this well, they don't know they're young kids.
They haven't even gotten out of their parents.
Oh, they haven't even folded their own laundry.
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Who cares? Like you can give them
information, but at the end of the day, we've almost as
veterans, we've created this like conflict between US and
like the young college students or people that haven't lived the
life that we have. And you have to I, I just tell
people you have to get over yourself.
Like it's not that big of a deal.
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Yeah, I was just talking to somebody yesterday about how
sometimes in the military community you get in the habit
of, hey, I'm so and so I served in the military like right away
just volunteering that information.
And I find that for me as a spouse and a caregiver of a
veteran, I don't go up and say, like, hi, my husband was in the
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military, how are you? You know, like that's sometimes
the last thing that I talk about.
Yeah, where are your, where are your veteran status?
Like a pocket watch, only take it out when somebody asks you
and what time it is so. And, you know, quite honestly,
the majority of those who actually did a lot of high speed
stuff that you're talking about,typically they don't fall into
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the information. It's the ones that, you know, I
wish I had done this or I did this wrong.
So here I am. But yeah, so I'm going to take a
quick commercial break here and then we're going to jump into
some really hard hitting stuff about human trafficking.
It's a hot topic right now. It's something that's been going
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Morgan, let's talk about human trafficking.
It's been going on for as long as we were alive, but let's talk
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about modern day human trafficking.
What do you have for us? Yeah, essentially what the US
government and, you know, our tax dollars have gone to is
human trafficking child migrantsfrom the US Mexico border.
And what they're doing is they're kind of obscuring it
with all these things. So when you hear about USAID was
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funding all these Lutheran organizations all to help with
migration, there's a there's a company called SW Keys.
What happens is, is that they hide stuff under contracts and
they have other individuals not employed by, you know,
Department of Homeland Security or, or Health and Human
Services. And it gets really difficult to
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figure out where the money is going and what it's being used
for. So when you hear about the
340,000 children that have been lost, this is the reason why.
And I'll, I'll walk you right through the supply chain if if
you want. So migrant child shows up.
Now here's The thing is before they even get to the US Mexico
border, there are NGOs. One of them is called No More
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Deaths and they have water stations set up and there's
tents. And within these tents it tells
people, hey, there's Border Patrol over here, don't go.
There's no Border Patrol over here.
Go. So all these NGOs that are being
funded are telling them what to do to prepare them to get to the
US Mexico border. And then once they get to those
little tents, they tell them, get rid of all your
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identification, don't have a passport, don't have anything.
And this is for the minors as well as the adults when they're
dropped off with DHS, DHS or Border Patrol cannot ask them
any questions if they claim to be under the age of 14.
So if you show up with a big Gray beard and you say you're
14, DHS, his hands are tied, which is insane to me.
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But they can't fingerprint, theycan't question, they can't ask
for ID, they can't anything. Now, once they have a minor
specifically under the age of 14, they can only hold that
individual for 72 hours, which goes all the way back to
President Obama's kids in cages thing.
So where are you going to put all these children?
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What you do, what they do is they have a contract under DHS
that hands them off to private military companies.
And I only found out about this because when I wrote the book,
people would say, hey, we got a contract if you're interested.
And I'd say, what is these like these wonky contracts that are
coming up at the US border? Why would we be there?
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So anyway, hand them off to a private military contractor, MVM
Mike, Victor. Mike is the largest one.
And they move them from the border into the United States.
So when you see those videos on X and they're going through an
airport and they have all these kids and they say, who are you?
Who do you work with? That's MDM.
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And they turn their little badgearound so you don't know who
they are. And they don't have to be
accountable to anybody because they don't work for a government
agency. Now, MDM then takes that child
and hands them off to a NGO or nonprofit, whatever you want to
call them. And those nonprofits are under
an HHS contract. See how it gets more obscure as
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you go. So HHS funds all these, you
know, the Lutheran stuff that you've been hearing about the
Catholic Church, SW Keys, all this is under Health and Human
Services, under the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
Those people are supposed to go and find the sponsors for these
children and then hand them off.Now, in a perfect world, the
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child goes through the process, gets handed off to their aunt or
their uncle or their mom or their dad.
What's happening is smugglers know this process.
So when they drop a kid off at the border, they tell them, hey,
this is your sponsor when you get to Kentucky or Nevada or
wherever it is. So they go all the way through
this process, the first time they've probably ever been in a
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plane with the with a private military contractor.
They're stuck at essentially an orphanage or like a, a homeless
shelter with HHS. And then they say, hey, my
sponsor's this person Smuggler told them who their sponsor is.
And then those sweet nonprofits are handing them off back to the
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smugglers. Two things can happen that a
smuggler can then try to get themoney out of the families,
right? You keep hearing about they paid
$25,000 to get somebody to the US so they have hold of them so
they guaranteed to get paid. Or if they don't get paid or if
they don't care, that's when youhear about kids that are getting
moved into drug trafficking, gang activity, sex trafficking,
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you name it. So when you think we've lost 400
or 340,000 of these kids, how did it happen?
That's exactly how it's happening.
So can you clarify a little bit about refugee status, those who
come in as P1P2 SIV versus thosewho are coming in like this?
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I mean, I wish, I wish I knew more about it.
Here's what I can tell you is that there are great nonprofits
out there that are doing that. You know what you mentioned,
like the people from Afghanistanthat are coming over, their
interpreters, they're getting screened.
They're making sure that that isthe person that they say they
are. They're giving them Social
Security numbers, green cards, whatever they need to do.
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The difference between that and what you're seeing at the US
Mexico border is these people are coming up and they say we're
going to claim asylum. They go all the way through that
process and then they're grantedtemporary status to stay in the
United States and theoretically to work in the United States
while they're pending a court case that could be anywhere
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between 18 to 24 months away. So these migrants and the
smugglers and, and everybody else is playing the long game.
Like after two years, are you going to be able to find this
person? Are you going to actually kick
them out after they've established a family?
So it's, it's completely different in that it, it is
allowing people, you know, it's what do they say possession is
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99% of the law. Like they're essentially saying
now I live in the United States,I have a house, I have a home, I
have a family. Now kick me out.
Wow, so also another question people who might be listening
may have is how do you have a child by themselves at the
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border? And I know one of the things
that I've experienced first handwas when I was in Guatemala,
there were so many mothers asking me just to take their
child, bring them, take them to America, bring them home with
you, you know, take them home with you.
Like it's very easy. You know, they, they're thinking
that they're giving their child a better future because that's
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what they've been fed. They're thinking America, it's,
you know, rolling grass, hills, always summertime, beautiful
ocean surrounding the entire country, wealth among all
people. Yeah, it's like, remember that
movie 5 Hill Goes West, where the mice are?
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Like, there are no cats in America, right?
That's what they're being fed. So look, if I'm in Guatemala or
Venezuela, I would absolutely want my kids to go up there.
But there's two things that are happening with that.
One is those people are handing them off to smugglers and
they're paying smugglers. Or two, they're handing them off
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to cartels. And what the cartels have done,
which is, you know, call what you want, it's immoral, but it's
still genius. What they do is they grab a
bunch of these children, so kidnap them, drop them off at a
place called like Eagle Pass. And then all those Border Patrol
agents have to go and, and take care of these children.
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Well, once you pull that supportfrom other locations to one
location, it really allows thosedrug cartels to start moving
drugs north. And you, you see this all the
time where, you know, the BorderPatrol I just saw had found 60
lbs of meth on the US Mexico border.
That is, that is the tip of the iceberg because they don't have
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the resources, especially when you're dealing with kids, right?
Like the media is going to jump on it if there is a problem with
kids. So once you pull those resources
in, hey, you know, get that guy his backpack and get him across
the border. Right.
And you know, I do remember seeing something very recently
about some kids who were found in the floorboard of a trunk of
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a vehicle. So they were literally smashed
in there for I forgot how many hours coming across the border.
And thankfully one of the agentsfound them.
They lifted up the floorboard ofthe vehicle and they were just
pushed in there. I've also read about kids being
brought over and a semi truck atone point.
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I think this was back in the 80s, They even had the problem.
So one question I have is you read about this human
trafficking where the kids are still alive, but I've also heard
about organ harvesting. Is that actually something
that's a big deal, or is that one of those stories that just
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gets blown out of proportion? It, it definitely gets blown out
of proportion because here's thething, the cartels, the
smugglers, they're business people.
You can't take a a child and then move them to United States
and do organ harvesting or else you don't have that kid that can
go into more, more horrible work, right?
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The sex trafficking, the drug dealing, getting getting into a
gang, right? So you're almost killing your
profit center. I'm not saying it doesn't
happen, but that's not the motive to get these kids north.
Yeah, I agree. I actually studied up a little
bit about this human organ transfer and all this stuff and
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you have to have somebody hookedup to a respirator basically, or
they have to be alive to take their organs.
There was some article going around the Internet saying, oh,
there's a semi truck full of dead children and it was in the
80s and they're going to take their organs.
And I'm like, that doesn't even make sense.
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No, no. So you have to put common sense
into this, which is why it gets obscured by the US government,
right? If you put common sense into it,
you'd say this doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
And then you have to go through the process of identifying who
has the contract, what's the name of the company, what is it
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under? Is it under HHSDHSUSAID?
You name it. And it's just, there's very few
people that have taken the time to look at what that supply
chain is, but you hear about every bit and piece of that and
you're hearing more and more about it in the news right now.
Absolutely. So what about adult human
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trafficking? Is it the same type of deal?
Yeah, adult human trafficking isa little bit of wealth.
I wouldn't say it's more complex.
It's probably less complex because as an adult you go
through that process and you have to, you know, apply for
asylum and there's, there's moreeyes on you and there's more,
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there's more steps that you haveto take as an adult than you do
as a kid. The child stuff, although it's
more complex, it's just easier because you don't have the
child's name and they don't have, you know, we grew up with
birth certificates and Social Security numbers.
These people don't have any of that stuff.
So with the adults, it's the same thing.
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Throw your passports, throw yourIDs, you can come in and you can
change your name. You could be a whole different
person. And I, my guess is that's how
you get that. The trans, I don't know the
what, what are they called the the gang members that come up
here and they come up here in forces because they may be known
gang members. But if they change their name
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and we don't have something thatcan fingerprint them to say
they're part of this gang with the cartels, then we just let
them in. Man, we have our hands full.
So I think with kids too, they're easy to get them to lie.
So I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday and she said that
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there was a child that they found out was abused.
That was her friend's child. And the biggest thing is that
child was told don't tell anybody you know, and they use
all these threats against them, I'm assuming, but curious, are
these kids being groomed along the way?
So besides saying, OK, we're going to throw away your
passports, are they getting groomed?
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And then the other thing is to tailor on that for fun.
During COVID, I worked at a spa,a day spa, and they had training
on how to recognize human trafficking.
Because the women, the young girls, especially if they're
like between, I think it was like 10 and 14 years old, they
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would have them groomed by taking them to these fancy spas
and getting their nails done andtheir hair done and their makeup
and all that stuff. So when you're talking about
these southern areas like the border and things like that, are
they going through that kind of process or what you know?
Yeah, I'm, I'm going to make an assumption that they aren't
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being groomed on the way up. That's happening once they get
into the United States, right? So, you know, there's no cats in
America and the streets are paved with cheese.
I guarantee you they're telling their kids that this is going to
be great for you. You're going to get up there,
you're going to get set with family members.
Everything's going to be perfect.
We just need you to do 1234, do these four steps, and we'll get
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you out. Once they get through that
process, that's when you have tostart grooming.
If you start at the beginning, you know, I've got kids, they're
going to blab. So if you get them through that
process and you have all these promises and say don't tell them
this, don't tell them that. And you get them there and then
you get their nails done and youstart, you know, getting them
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into that idea that they're going to go into, you know,
prostitution. It's much easier to do that once
you've already captured them on the back end than at the front.
True, Yeah. What do we look for as normal
American citizens? I mean, is there anything that
we can do because they do make it through the border,
thankfully, it's going to be a lot harder to get through the
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border hopefully now and moving forward.
But still, there must be some signs that we as a nation can
look for and and can we report it or who do we report it to?
Yeah. I mean, look, first and
foremost, we have to stop the spigot, right?
And and that's what's happening down at the US Mexico border
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right now. That's going to get to where
smugglers, the cartels are not going there and kidnapping kids
and bringing them up. So that's going to reduce it
right there. Once they get through that
process, it's exceptionally difficult, right?
And I've I've seen the same things you have.
You go into a bathroom and it says report child trafficking.
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It's just it's hard because we live in a society where, you
know, we don't really want people in our business and we
don't want to get into their business.
So the kids have to come up. But if a kid approaches you and
says, like, I need help, don't ask any questions.
Go get them help. Call the cops, call whoever you
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need to to get them in. And I think the the universal
hand signal for distress is likethis, right?
Something something like that. If you see that, like, see
something, say something. Yeah, I I'll even take it a step
further. I was down the road here.
There's a little restaurant area, and there was a little
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girl outside, and she was just sitting by herself.
And it wasn't a very great area right there.
So I said, hey, you know, who are you with?
And I thought, OK, this could betaken two ways.
If a parent's nearby and sees metalking to this kid, right?
But she said, oh, he went into this McDonald's nearby.
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And I was like, you know, does he know the area?
Do you guys know the area? And she's like, no.
So I was like, OK, I'm just going to wait right here for you
until your dad gets back. So I did.
And when he came out, he was so thankful because he didn't
actually know the area either. And he really didn't think about
it. And then he's like, well, I was
in line and it was taking longerthan I thought.
(27:44):
And I I kind of wondered if I should have left her out there.
And I'm thinking, my gosh, she was actually six years old.
I do remember now because I asked her, you know, how old are
you? And so I just sat out there to
make sure she was OK. And if a parent thinks that's
creepy when they come out, like I automatically said, show me
(28:04):
your dad when he comes out. And she did.
And I went over to him and I talked to him and I told him,
you know, this isn't a very great area.
I wanted just to make sure she was OK.
Most parents who leave their little ones outside by
themselves are not even going toquestion you for talking to them
probably. But I think that it's OK to
volunteer that information. What do you think?
(28:25):
Yeah, well, I mean, look at the risk versus the reward, right?
You were risking that this guy would come out and get mad and
he didn't. And I think that if you're not
trafficking children that you'reprobably going to get that
reaction a lot of the time. I would also say, don't go to,
you know, a football game and race up to everybody that's got
a kid and start saying are they being trafficked, right.
(28:45):
Like there's, there's a balance here, but on net, if you do that
and you approach children that are, that are being left alone,
you're probably going to get a lot of positive interactions
with their parents as opposed topeople thinking, oh, the parents
going to come up and, and you know, yell at me.
But look, worst case scenario, you get yelled at.
Look, I was in the military, I got yelled at all the time.
(29:07):
It's not a big deal. I, I still go home and go to
sleep. It's probably worth getting
yelled at just to make sure. Yeah.
All right, everybody, thank you so much for listening and make
sure you tune in live every Saturday morning and every
Tuesday evening on Brushwood Media Group.
Till next time, I will see you on social media.
(29:29):
Thank you, Morgan. Take care.
Thank you. You too.
Thanks for tuning in to Wake Up with Patty Catter.
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