Red, White & Bruised: The Dog That Didn't Bark (Jeffrey Epstein Email Dump)

Over 20,000 documents related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein were just released by Congress, and they paint a damning picture of Donald Trump's relationship with the convicted sex trafficker. From the 2011 "dog that hasn't barked" email to the 2019 bombshell where Epstein wrote "of course he knew about the girls," let's walk through the complete chronological timeline of what Epstein said about Trump, who stayed connected to him after his conviction, and why Trump is now punishing Republicans...including rescinding Marjorie Taylor Greene's endorsement...for supporting transparency.

Let's also discuss the cursed "blowing Bubba" email, as well as Megyn Kelly's disturbing Epstein defense.



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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Hello everyone, You are listening to Red White and Bruce
courtesy of We Saw the Devil. I'm your host, Robin,
and I'm here to talk about this insane week. I
don't know about you, guys, but I feel like this
week has been a complete fever dream. It's so surreal
what is going on in the country right now, and
it seems like every single hour is bringing something new,

(01:21):
you know what I mean. I actually recorded an episode yesterday,
and more stuff and more news kept coming, and so
I thought, Okay, well I'll wait until Saturday evening. Surely
the news cycle will slow over the weekend and I'll
record something with a full update on Saturday evening. So
that is what I am here doing. It just keeps coming,
It just keeps coming. But how are you, guys? It

(01:43):
has been an incredibly exhausting week for me. So this
weekend I have just devoted it entirely to self care.
I have taken a bubble bath. I have painted and
done my nails. I have played and cuddled with the dogs.
I have caught up on some television shows. New current
favorite is Pluribus on Apple TV. It is a very

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you're looking for something to watch. It's incredible so far
three episodes in, but so good. Other than that, that's
pretty much it. I come to you with a pint
of Ginny's ice cream, the Let's See Double Dough chocolate
chip cookie dough ice cream, and some edibles. I have

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three beverages. I have water, I have My favorite energy drink,
just so everyone knows, is Celsius watermelon, and so I
have a tumbler with water, a tumbler with Celsius for caffeine,
and then also a two liter bottle of the Holiday
Creamy Vanilla coke, which never had before. Decided to try it.
And yeah, So what I'm saying is that I'm ready, you, guys.

(02:50):
I'm ready for this because we have a lot to discuss,
and I honestly don't think I've ever been this excited
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And Guys, with everything going on in the world right now,
I don't even think I mean, this is criminal, so

(03:32):
this is true crime discussion here. I'm so sorry to
be the bearer of bad news, but that's what's happening.
I mean, I don't know how much luckier I can
get with politics and true crime converging all in one space. Unfortunately,
it's heinous and awful content and topic, and it's really
grody and disgusting. But nevertheless, this is what we're going

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to be covering for a bit, so let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Quote.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I want you to realize that the dog that hasn't
barked is Trump. That's Jeffrey Epstein April twenty eleven, emailing
his accomplice Julane Maxwell. Quote of course he knew about
the girls, as he asked Julane to stop Epstein again
January twenty nineteen. Quote I know how dirty Donald is.

(04:18):
That's Epstein to Obama's former White House Council in August
of twenty eighteen. Quote Trump is so gross, worse in
real life and up close. That's a former White House
council and a convicted sex trafficker bonding over the president.
February twenty seventeen. These aren't Reddit conspiracy theories or screenshots

(04:39):
from uncle Khletus's Facebook. These are Epstein's own emails, And
what makes this so damning, guys, is that powerful people
didn't just meet Epstein after his two thousand and eight conviction.
They stayed connected to him. Former Treasury secretaries asked him
for dating advice, Obama's White House counsel gossiped about Trump

(05:02):
with him. Trump's own strategist Steve Bannon, coordinated European political
tours through him. The whole fucking elite class Democrat Republican
emailing a pedophile like he was their freaking therapist. Trump's
response thus far hoax and then plot twist. He rescinded

(05:24):
Marjorie Taylor Green's endorsement because she signed the petition to
release the full files. Yeah, we are at Trump is
now punishing Republicans for wanting transparency about child sex trafficking
levels of what the fuck right now? But before we
dive into it in the email rabbit hole, let's actually
kind of start from the beginning to understand how Epstein

(05:47):
walked free and like is still even connected to the
people who he's speaking to in these emails. So just
a little quick refresher. So two thousand and eight federal
prosecutors identified at least thirty six underage victims. The evidence
was so overwhelming that Epstein should have died in federal prison. Instead,

(06:09):
Alexander Acosta, then US Attorney General for Southern Florida, gave
him a deal so sweet it should have come with
insulin thirteen months in county jail with work release privileges.
Let me repeat that, because your brain might have just
short circuited. A billionaire pedophile got to leave jail during

(06:30):
the day to go to his office like he had
a commute, Like this was an internship, not a prison
sentence for raping children. And that deal included immunity for
unnamed co conspirators. Federal prosecutors had names, they had evidence,
and they were ready to charge these people. Then Acosta
sealed them all away forever. The victims weren't even told

(06:52):
about the deal until after it was signed. Hey, that's illegal,
by the way, A federal judge later ruled prosecutors violated
the Crime Victims Rights Act, but by then Epstein had
served his cushy little sentence and walked free. Acosta would
later claim he was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and
to back off of him, which is either true and
deeply fucking terrifying, or just a convenient excuse for selling

(07:15):
out dozens of teenage girls and boys for career advancement.
I mean, pick which inside of the night Mary rom
with that one. But fast forward to twenty seventeen. Okay,
Donald Trump becomes president and who does he appoint as
Secretary of Labor, the person in charge of fighting human
sex trafficking. Alexander fucking Acosta. You cannot make this up.

(07:38):
When reporters asked Trump about it in twenty nineteen, he
said Acosta had done a fantastic job. He only accepted
Acosta's resignation after public pressure became unbearable. Drain the swamp.
Drain the swamp, and he did. He just drained it
right into his cabinet. So when Epstein walked out of
that Florida jail back in two thousand and nine, he

(07:58):
learned three lessons here. I mean, that was proof that
he could rape dozens of children, and that the system
will bend over backwards to protect him because he's powerful,
and his network didn't abandon him. Because if you're useful enough,
even being a convicted sex offender doesn't get you kicked
out of the club, and very clearly it did not,
with both sides of the aisle here and the emails

(08:21):
that we're about to walk through prove that over and
over and over and over again. So let's start in
twenty eleven. Epstein's been out of his fake punishment for
about two years now. Virginia Guffrey, one of his most
high profile victims who's been in the news quite a
lot over the last couple of years, just went public
with her story to the British press and she named

(08:41):
powerful men, including Trump. April second, twenty eleven, Epstein emails
Julane Maxwell, quote, I want you to realize that that
dog that has embarked a is Trump redacted victim name,
spend hours at my house with him. He has never
once been mentioned, police chief, etc. I'm seventy five five
percent there. Maxwell responds, I've been thinking about that now.

(09:05):
The quote the dog that has embarked is Sherlock Holmes,
and from Sherlock Holmes and his home speech for the
guy he should be talking but isn't. Trump spent hours
at Epstein's house with a sex trafficking victim. But during
all the media coverage, all the investigations, Trump stayed completely silent,
and Epstein is bragging to his convicted accomplice that he's

(09:28):
seventy five percent there, meaning he's confident Trump will keep
his mouth shut. Now that victim is widely understood to
be Virginia Guphrey, who was recruited from mar A Lago
when she was working at Trump's club. Now, just to
be absolutely clear, Guphrey consistently said that Trump never assaulted
her and treated her respectfully when they crossed paths. She

(09:50):
did tragically pass away from suicide in April of this
year after years of advocacy for survivors. And if you
haven't read much up on her or read her memoir,
please do. It is incredible and that is just absolutely
one of the most heartbreaking stories I think I have
ever heard in my life. I can't fathom what she
was going through. So this email doesn't necessarily prove sexual

(10:12):
abuse by Trump. What it absolutely does prove is that
Trump was around Epstein's operation way more than he admits.
He spent significant time with at least one victim, and
then Epstein viewed Trump's silence as valuable. Around the same time,
Epstein is also tracking Trump's finances. We learned that he
gets updates that Trump's B seven seven twenty seven sold

(10:34):
for two point seven million, and he's watching Trump's money
like an X stocking and Instagram, you know, like he
is all over it, just analyzing and watching Trump's finances.
Fast forward to December twenty fifteen. Trump is running for president.
CNN is hosting a Republican primary debate. Michael Wolfe, journalist
and future author of multiple Trump books, emails Epstein a

(10:57):
heads up, Hey, I hear CNN play to ask Trump
tonight about his relationship with you, either on air or
in scrum. Afterwards, Epstein responds, if we were able to
craft an answer for him, what do you think it
should be. Let that sink in for a second. A
presidential candidate might be asked about his relationship with a
convicted sex offender, and the sex offender is asking a

(11:21):
journalist to help craft Trump's answer. Wolf's response to this
is chilling.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Quote.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
I think you should let him hang himself. If he
says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house,
then that gives you a valuable pr and political currency.
You can hang him in a way that potentially generates
a positive benefit for you, or if it really looks
like he could win, you could save him generating a debt.
You could save him generating a debt. That's not friendship,

(11:51):
that's compromant. That's leverage. That's I have receipts that I
can use basically whenever I want. And this is a journalist,
respected journalists at that time, advising as a convicted sex
trafficker on how to blackmail a presidential candidate, and that
candidate is now president now again. In twenty fifteen and

(12:13):
another email from this period, Epstein tells a reporter about
his twenty year old girlfriend back in nineteen ninety three,
and he says, after two years, I gave her to
Donald like she's property being transferred, like a fucking rental car,
not a human being. He then links to photos of
please forgive me if I mess up this name Selina

(12:34):
or Selena Metalfart, Norwegian businesswoman who fits that timeline and pictures.
Later on, in that same email exchange, Epstein casually says,
would you like to see photos of Donald and girls
and bikinis in my kitchen? Trump girls in bikinis and
Epstein's kitchen offered to a new York Times reporter during
the campaign. This is not like we shook hands once

(12:59):
at a charity gala type of thing, right, This is, Hey,
do you want to see Trump with probably barely legal
teens in my house? But then Trump takes office in
January of twenty seventeen, and you'd think that this is
where elite people kind of you know, quietly distance themselves
from a convicted sex offender. Yah know. About a week

(13:20):
after Trump's inauguration, Epstein emails a New York Times reporter quote,
Donald is fucking crazy. Catherine Rumler, Obama's former White House
Council and later chief legal officer at Goldman Sachs, emails Epstein,
Trump is so gross, Epstein replies, worse in real life.
End up close and let me pause here. Why is

(13:42):
a former White House counsel, someone who held one of
the most sensitive legal positions in all of government, casually
emailing a convicted sex offender to complain about the president.
Later that year, she calls Trump truly stupid. In another exchange,
Epstein agrees. May twenty seventeen, Larry Summers, former Treasury secretary,

(14:03):
former Harvard President, Nobel Prize winner, he emails Epstein how
guilty is Donald of crudity, surely, of gross ignorance, surely,
of being utterly without the intellect temperament for jobs, surely
of being overlining on family profiting, very likely of gross
disregard for appearances, almost surely. Then he questions Trump's Russia connections.

(14:27):
Epstein's response is your world does not understand how dumb
he really is. He will blame everyone around him for
bad results, and it gets worse from here. Later, in
twenty seventeen, Larry Summers emails Epstein for relationship advice. Larry said,
I said, what are you up to? She said, I'm busy.

(14:48):
I said, ofughly, koy you are. Epstein replies, he reacted well.
Annoyed shows caring, no whining, showed strength. So we have
a Nobel prize winning economist asking a child predator how
to handle koy women cool cool cool, cool cool. And
this is in fact the same Larry Summers who was
forced to resign from Harvard back in two thousand and

(15:09):
six for saying women might not be as good at
science as men. And this man, unsurprisingly after that comment,
is turning to Jeffrey Epstein for dating advice. October twenty seventeen,
Larry Summers emails Epstein complaining that society treats sexual harassment
more harshly than other crimes. He literally vents about men

(15:30):
losing jobs for hitting on a few women ten years ago.
This is the most unsurprising piece from all of these
documents and emails, because this is quite literally a guy
forced out of Harvard's presidency, literally forced out of being
Harvard's president for sexist comments, right, and he is now
emailing a sex trafficker to complain about accountability for sexual harassment.

(15:53):
You cannot right satire this fucking dark if you paid someone.
Then we have someone emailing Epstein about meeting in his
parent Paris, France apartment. Quote, I'm at the door, but
I will wait for my time. I don't want to
come early to find Trump in your house. For the record,
when they said that Trump wasn't in Paris, he was
in the United States, they were joking. But the joke

(16:17):
only works if it's plausible that Donald Trump might actually
randomly be hanging out at Epstein's Paris apartment, which means
that there would be a possibility that he would be there.
But again, he didn't know him, right, and then my
favorite and guys, the memes have been hot. On this one,
they have been fire. And that is the March twenty

(16:38):
eighteen email. Epstein's brother Mark sends him an email basically saying, Hey,
ask Steve Bannon, if Vladimir Putin has the photo of
Trump blowing Bubba, you and your boy Donnie can make
him a remake of the movie Get Hard. Bubba, as
most of the world knows, is a longtime nickname for
Bill Clinton. So virtual reading of this was does Putin

(17:02):
have compromising photos of Trump giving Clinton a blowjob? When
Newsweek followed up, Mark Epstein said Bubba wasn't to Bill
Clinton in this context, But then he also did refuse
to say who he meant or what the email actually
referred to. We don't know if this photo exists. We
don't know what it actually references. What we do know
is that in their private world, it felt normal enough

(17:24):
to joke about Trump being compromised by Putin with a
sex act involving someone named to Bubba. That is disgusting
and I could have gone my whole life without that
mental image forced upon me. But alas here we are,
I wonder if we can sue for emotional distress. What
a horrible day to have eyes. But here's where it

(17:46):
gets really interesting, you guys, And that's around August of
twenty eighteen. In August of twenty eighteen, Michael Cohen pleads
guilty to campaign finance violations and implicates Trump in the
Stormy Daniel's hush money scheme. That was an exciting time,
wasn't it. Two days later, Rumbler sends Epstein a New
York Times off ed about Cohen's guilty plea. Epstein responds,

(18:08):
the principled case for impeachment is clear. What's missing is
the courage. Then he adds, you see, I know how
dirty Donald is. My guess is that non lawyers, New
York biz people have no idea what it means to
have your fixer flip. I know how dirty Donald is.
No I think he might be shady, or he's got

(18:29):
a few skeletons. It's I know how dirty he is.
And from a man who ran a child sex trafficking operation,
if Jeffrey Epstein says you're dirty, you have done some shit.
Late twenty eighteen December, Epstein calls Trump borderline insane. Back
to Larry Summers and describes how during past financial crises,

(18:50):
Trump had to be told not to leave his apartment.
He also warns Rumbler that Democrats are handling Trump wrong.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Quote.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
You might want to tell your dim friends that treating
Trump like a mafia don ignores the fact that he
has great dangerous power. Tightening the news too slowly risks
a very bad situation. Gambino was never the commander in chief.
Translation of that, your friends think they're dealing with a
mob boss. They're actually dealing with a mob boss who
controls the military. If you corner him, he may burn

(19:20):
the house down. Proceed with caution. But then January thirty, first,
twenty nineteen, and here is the email. What a lot
of people are considering the smoking gun. And that's when
Epstein writes to Michael Wolf and he says that sentence
redactive victim name mar A Lago. Trump said, he asked
me to resign, never remember ever. Of course he knew

(19:42):
about the girls, as he asked Jelaine to stop the
of course he knew about the girls. Trump's response wasn't
to call police cooperate with investigators. According to Epstein, Trump's
response was to tell Maxwell to stop recruiting at this club.
That's not moral outrage, that's damage control. And this don't
shit where I eat logic right not. I'm horrified and

(20:05):
calling the FBI because this is horrible and discussing. Two
months later, Epstein is arrested. Three months later, he's dead
in his cell. Jelane Maxwell is eventually convicted and sentenced
to twenty years and the rest of the files currently
locked away at the Department of Justice. And that is
until now jump to twenty twenty five on this timeline, Babes,

(20:30):
because Democrats on the House Oversight Committee finally get these
emails from Epstein's estate and release them publicly, about twenty
three hundred messages from a larger trove of over twenty
thousand pages. Meanwhile, Representatives Thomas Massey, a Republican, and Rocanna,
a Democrat, are leading a discharge petition to force the

(20:50):
DOJ to release all Epstein files. They need two hundred
and eighteen signatures. They're stuck at two seventeen. The missing
signature Adelita Grihoalva, who won that special election in Arizona,
she literally campaigned on signing this petition. Then Mike Johnson
refuses to swear her in for fifty days, the longest

(21:11):
delay in modern congressional history. Why because the second she's
sworn in, she can sign and Johnson is forced to
hold a vote on releasing the Epstein files. So an
entire congressional district went without representation because Mike Johnson didn't
want to vote about a dead sex traffickers client network.
After a government shut down, a showdown, and massive public pressure,

(21:33):
Johnson finally caves and Griholva is sworn in. She signed
boom two hundred and eighteen signatures. Yeah, bitches. Johnson announced
that he will allow a vote next week, not because
he wants to, but because procedurally he has no choice. Now,
how has Trump reacted to all of this? Well, I

(21:54):
think that you save this word is meltdown. You know,
he's been reacting exactly as you'd expect by calling it
a hoax and personally leaning on Republicans to kill it.
He posts on True Social calling it the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax,
warning Republicans not to fall into that trap. He's calling
individual Republicans begging them not to support it. And here's

(22:15):
where it gets Wilde Taylor Green, Yes that Marjorie Taylor
Green signs the petition. She and Lauren Bobert and Nancy
Mace are three Republicans that have been on top of
this supporting the release of the files. MTG goes on
CBS and says Trump's opposition is a huge miscalculation. She says,

(22:38):
I truly just stand with women, and I think they
deserve to be the ones that we're fighting for. When
you've lost Marjorie Taylor Green on an issue of basic
transparency about child sex trafficking, you have truly, sincerely and
deeply fucked up. After Marjorie Taylor Green has been she's

(22:59):
kind of been going on a press tour the last
couple weeks, right, she's kind of been going rogue, a
lot of press, a lot of Democrats and liberals talking
about it, because like, holy shit, first time in our lives,
and we never saw agreeing with her on any on
you know, Jewish space lasers. Marjorie Taylor Green. Yeah, like
we didn't see that coming. But she's been on a

(23:19):
bit of of a press tour and then because of that,
Trump just did something so genuinely shocking. He actually rescinded
his endorsement of her. For her twenty twenty six reelection.
According to CNN, Axios and NBC, Trump called her directly
and told her he's pulling his support because she signed
the Epstein petition. He's now backing a primary challenger against her.

(23:44):
Let me repeat that, for those of you in the bag.
The President of the United States is actively punishing a
Republican member of Congress for supporting transparency about Jeffrey Epstein.
Marjorie posted on X quote President Trump ending his endorsement
of me over my vote to release the Epstein files
proves that this is exactly why we needed it needed transparency.

(24:06):
If there's nothing to hide, why the panic. She added,
I will always stand with survivors over politics always. Now again,
Marjorie and I don't agree on much, like basically anything,
but credit where it's due. She's taking a massive, massive
political hit to do the right thing here, and Trump

(24:27):
is making her pay for it.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Now.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I am not absolving Marjorie Taylor Green of her past sense.
That is not my job. That is not what I'm
here for. I'm trying to also understand and theorize about
what her actual intentions here are, because I have heard
rumblings that she was looking to have like Senate run

(24:49):
presidential aspirations all of that. Who knows, but Maga like
she's separated from Maga now Ma Maga is cracking.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Now.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Other Republicans are breaking ranks too. Here we have Don Bacon,
Eli Crane, Warren Davidson. They're all saying they'll vote yes
because they realize how bad it looks to be seen
as protecting child sex traffickers. But Trump right now is
going full scorched earth. According to NBC, He's threatening to
pull endorsements and funding from anyone who votes for this.

(25:20):
What could be in the files and what's at stake
here now? Back in two thousand and eight, federal prosecutors
had lined up co conspirators right. They were powerful men
and women who were going to be charged alongside Epstein.
Then Acosta buried them with that plea deal, Remember the
sweetheart deal. Acosta buried it. Those names have been sealed

(25:42):
for seventeen years. The full files reportedly contain names, interview transcripts,
financial trails, communications, and evidence of how deep this network
went into politics, finance, and media. Best case here substantial
redacted evidence showing who helped Epstein, who used his services,

(26:04):
and who protected him. Worst case scenario, and let's be honest,
in my opinion, this is the most likely case. We'll
have fifteen hundred pages of black sharpie with a statement
about national security and ongoing investigations. And here's I guess
my kind of prediction for the next couple of days.
I think Trump is going to keep pressuring Republicans. I

(26:24):
think it's going to get pretty dark. I don't think
we're going to have any insight into that, but I
bet that he's probably going to keep pressuring them pretty heavily.
He's got the whole weekend to work the phones, threaten primaries,
promise favors like I mean, it doesn't matter if it's
Trump or if a Democrat was in office, Like this
is how anyone would be responding to this, Honestly, I
don't know. If the vote passes next week, the pressure

(26:47):
campaign might work. Republicans might decide protecting Trump is worth
more than protecting the victims. And let's say it does pass,
Let's say enough Republicans break ranks in the House votes
to force the DOJ to release the files. In my opinion,
I think Trump will veto it. I'd bet money on it.

(27:07):
I think he'll claim executive privilege, national security, some bullshit
about protecting an ongoing investigation. But I do think that
he if it reaches his desk, I think he'll veto it,
and then we'll have to see if Congress has the
votes to override, which don't forget, requires two thirds of
both houses. That is a very, very very high bar,

(27:27):
and I don't think that it would pass the test.
My money for whoever cares is the House passes it,
Trump vetoes, it, override fails, and then we're back to
where we started, and then probably things will start to
die down a little bit. But at least we'll have
a list of I guess who voted which way, and
that list is going to be very fucking instructive for

(27:50):
all of us. And then while all of this is happening,
one other thing that I wanted to bring up really quickly,
last item here is let's talk about Megan Kelly is
absolutely fun sucking, unhinged attempt to defend Epstein. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Kelly went on her show and started splitting hairs about
whether Epstein was technically a pedophile because some of his

(28:12):
victims were teenagers, not creep ubescent children. She said that
people who were calling Epstein a pedophile are being inaccurate,
which cool, Thanks Megan, super helpful for the victims here.
I'm sure the internet lost its collective shit. Even Bill
Maher roasted her over this on his show, saying she
was splitting hairs to defend a monster. The Bulwark ran

(28:35):
a piece titled Megan Kelly is a deeply broken person,
which great article, highly suggests you check it out and
read it. But yeah, that tracks because look, guys, if
you're instinct when Jeffrey Epstein comes up to be like, well, actually,
we should be more precise about which type of child
sex criminal he is, because there's a difference in eight

(28:58):
and fourteen. If that is your first instinct when someone
says that, you know, when talking about a sex a
child rapist, you really need to sit down and think
about your life choices. Epstein trafficked miners, he abused children.
The specific clinical terminology doesn't change what he did or

(29:18):
make it less horrific. And this is the same playbook
we've seen before. When you can't defend the behavior, you
just attack the language. Both sides do it. Republicans are
extra guilty. But when you can't win on substance. You
debate semantics, right, that goes for everyone, and it's disgusting.
And the fact that she's doubling down that Megan Kelly.
Because here's the thing, guys, I disagree with ninety nine

(29:41):
point nine nine nine percent of what Megan Kelly says.
But I have also heard her speed not necessarily off
the record, but just not from the script. She is
a smart person, she's spound her niche her niche, but
like it, just the fact that she's doubling down on
this instead of apologizing after the world lost its shit
over what she said, She's refusing to apologize. She's not

(30:02):
circling around like she should. She's actually doubling down on
it and just attacking Democrats. And what I don't understand
is the fact that if there is any member of
the Democratic Party embroiled and entangled with the Jeffrey Epstein
and shit, I hope each and every one of them
goes to prison for the rest of their lives. And
I have not met another Democrat that feels differently than that,

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You know what I mean, every comment section, it doesn't
matter what social media platform. If someone says Trump the
Republicans all line on and say Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, Biden
sniffing shoulder and this, that and the other, and it's like, Okay,
if they did something wrong or if there was an allegation,
fucking investigate, send their asses to jail. I don't care.
I just never thought I would see the day where

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holding child sex traffickers accountable is a partisan issue. And
then if you guys missed it too, So Turning Point USA.
They also this week had a like a turning Point
debate event type of thing, and and this was again
Turning Point USA is now headed by Erica Kirk and
Charlie Kirk's wife, and a guy in a red Maga

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hat went up and he starts unloading about women, about
how women being able to have the right to vote
and access to education is what has ruined the world.
And this man is serious. He is dead ass serious,
and people in the audience are agreeing with him. Search
for that clip because it is so telling when you

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see a crowd support that kind of ideology. And also
there's a guy standing beside him that is absolutely going
to chowtown on his boogers, literally picking and eating, picking
and eating, picking and eating. The entire time he's speaking.
It's a lot going on, I confess, but the amount
of people who were excited about the prospect of women
losing the right to vote and not being able to

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work leave the home was terrifying. So I don't know, guys,
what do you think is going to happen? I want
to hear all of the theories. This is just so
all encompassing. And then you have the drama over you know,
did Clinton ever go to the island? Was he on
the plane? What's Marjorie Taylor Green's real thing? Here? You
have the shutdown drama, we're going through it. And then

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also Trump is fucking talking about Greenland again. Can someone
please get him to the dementia ward. We're not gonna
buy Greenland. And then I also heard on the news
earlier today that we're now up to eighty people, like
eighty some odd people that Trump has killed in Venezuela.
So cool, cool, A lot going on, but we'll cover

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the headlines as they happen, guys, But this is definitely interesting.
This is disgusting, sallacious, and I really just I've lost
all hope personally in any sort of accountability here because
he's called tough Lundon for a reason. You know, nothing
ever happens, So internally I am trying to tamper down

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my expectations and hope because I truly think that this
is not going to be a win for Democrats. But
if you guys feel differently, let me know. But that
is all that I have for you today. Again, you've
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