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May 1, 2025 159 mins

This is an unedited long-form version of our episode released on April 15th. Please note that the unedited version includes pauses, some up to a minute long, as our team made space to process, listen, and feel during our conversation.  If you're a regular listener to this podcast, you know that we often ask our guests to talk about a sideways moment in their life. A time they got into conflict, what happened, how they responded, what they learned. Well, we had one of those moments within our team and we decided to record ourselves talking about it. The conflict arose during final production of our episode with Antonio Williams about the n-word. What happened will be explained here in a moment. All six members of the Sideways team participated in the conversation and we invite you to join us as we work through our own Sideways moment.  

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