June 14, 2021 • 67 mins
Professor Gerson “Grillo” Schilipacke began studying Muay Thai and MMA at the famed Chute Boxe Academy in Curitiba Brazil. After receiving his black belt in 2004 and competing in both Muay Thai and MMA he wanted to pass his knowledge on to others and focus his work towards a coaching career. In 2006 he moved to Southern California to coach the Chute Boxe USA team in Huntington Beach. In 2009 he founded the official Chute Boxe USA headquarters in Long Beach , CA. Today Gerson is the owner/ head trainer of the top Muay Thai gym Fight Solutions in Long Beach CA. Gerson also trained Michael Bisping mixed martial artist, who competed in the Middleweight and Light Heavyweight division of the UFC.
Coach Gerson has over 23 years of competitive and training experience. His passion for improving physical fitness, mental discipline, and spiritual strength is apparent in every class he teaches. Gerson has been a positive influence in the lives of many, and continues to strive towards making his fighters dreams of becoming a champion a reality.
Gerson believes in a principled approach to martial arts, that includes the development of personal character as well as mental and physical strength. His vision of the sport , focus on respect, confidence, discipline, and hard work has made him one of the most sought after Muay Thai and MMA instructors in Southern California.
Train with Gerson Schilipackea at his Muy Thai, MMA, Jiu Jitsu gym Fight Solutions.
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Jose Flores (00:00):
That's where I get the privilege to talk to the
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legends and words or the martialarts world. Today I am being
joined by Gerson Schiller, pack,founder and owner of fight
solutions, Sir, how are you? I'mgood. Thank you. You know, I was
afraid I was gonna butcher yourlast name there. That happens
all the time.
Gerson Schilipacke (00:20):
So how are you today? Sir? I'm pretty good
today. Yeah, starting today,right? That's awesome. Very
good. Yeah. So you were born ingood to Shiva. Yes. All right.
Can you tell me a little bitabout younger son? How was he?
Yes, Ma, you know, workingCincy, Erling Ag and they'll but
the martial arts came in earlyfor me to and curry Chiba Brazil
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is a city. Like come down. It'snot like a crazy city like Rio,
San Paolo. And martial arts isreally stronger than the city.
Like you didn't want to dieinside the strike inside. And
was always a dream. Brett? Yeah.
And when you say it was morecalm, like, it was just it was
more of a city or like more of arural area or he is like more
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like a real is like Californiaand could he cheer but it's like
Boston, New York.
business area, you know, ourbuildings, not the beachy or,
you know, outside fun, cold,they chill.
Jose Flores (01:25):
And you mentioned you started in Motown martial
arts at an early age was moitayour first style you started I
hadfast experiences with the karate
when I was like at 10 years old.
And but was fast. Yeah. I don'tstick with EDM syncing that time
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I started training 1995 I hadthe joy the turn 18 because it
was more violent in the time. Soyour parents need to sign you in
Give You Up to this age and myparents wasn't I walked
Gerson Schilipacke (02:02):
in with the mean that one so I had to wait
Anthony at him to dance signmyself up. So Jim,
Jose Flores (02:10):
so you waited in datacenter moiety devices I
mean, I I know very little mytime in just what I see. But so
it's a hardcore sport. It's
Gerson Schilipacke (02:22):
right now it's hard to court but back in
the day like 25 years ago waseven worse. You don't have to
watch a rule there's regulationsespecially in a third world
country like Brazil, where youknow a lot of people they made
up their own rules that theylike to hear right now have a
lot of regulations foreverything is there that time
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not?
Jose Flores (02:44):
When you mean I mean, I'm thinking about more
regulations as to elbows andknees and not many not much
padding or whatnot,
Gerson Schilipacke (02:52):
even protection. And we never had the
gloves in the time. Wait, what?
Yes, in that time we don't havegloves we don't have shin
guards. We barely had them thatsimple. Non dollar mouth
required galaxy to hand wrapjust to try to have some
cushioning to cut to mochi thatsaid my first few years it then
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I was a tutor box was was one ofthe most famous aggressive gym
in the world. So the first twoyears no one nobody fighting
outside of the count. So it wasthat way the more the fighters
like llmd underlay Silva startfighting in Japan say so then
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the coaches had the more chancethat they started bringing gear
back every trip so bring yousome gloves from shin guards
then from there it Jim had theequipment to share between
everybody but the head in maybe10 pairs of gloves 10 pairs of
shin guards so when coming thispacking time was okay guys
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gloves and shengguan soeverybody had to to run try get
whatever you can sometimes youwill come in with the gloves
sometimes or come withguangcheng Why is that there was
was we had it you doing the time
Jose Flores (04:17):
and knowing that you have no gloves? Was anyone
aware Okay, I'm gonna watch mycontrol or was it just
Gerson Schilipacke (04:24):
you just got on their box anyone that
research should have walked backin the day especially? No The
training was violent wasworldwide for the violent sell
for the training. So don't haveyour like you're gonna say don't
hate relations, even siderevelations on the gym like,
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okay, you're a fighter. That guyjust to sign up. Let's take he
is let's help him. Let'sintroduce him to the martial
arts in the time in Ohio. It wasbasically a clean out the few
commute they can beat you backtomorrow. You take your other
video back again maybe you are afighter because the gyms wasn't
their gym specially wasn't theenvironment they wanted a
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commercial environment they wasfocusing create fighters in not
create their normal crowd selfdefense here cutting way T and
you know it was like it was afighter if you're a fighter you
keep taking the tick coming backwe know you're a fighter then we
will not make you a fighter
Jose Flores (05:32):
so it was sort of like a trial period of that if
you
Gerson Schilipacke (05:37):
if you're you feel heavy and you stay if
not you're the one we can livein nevermore See you again.
Jose Flores (05:44):
How was your first How was your first experiences
at shooting? Yeah, how was yourfirst experiences for me
Gerson Schilipacke (05:54):
I can't say too much bad the beats on the
first demand Oh, like dog feelbut kinda ahead they like it
then guys on the mat they I knewheavy to those that when you go
with them they want to bestraighter and other a few guys
was nice if you guys already waslike beating now always ready to
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go. And so first of all to usfew normal beats but towards the
next at the end worst and worstbut then you start to get a
better tune there is anenvironment that is created then
you are down there you learn itthat way you fast forwarded away
so many new ones coming then youtake a bit from the older guy up
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to the newbie it's not a healthyenvironment but what's normal in
your genes 25 years ago oh yeahyou know they're in Brazil you
know it's a different country Iknow probably for a few
countries as children in thatway but from their evolving you
know like shooter walks rightnow there is completely
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professional gym like no otheryou know how to rule this
inside? Don't happens anymore.
Jose Flores (07:11):
It was your instructor during that time.
Who'd you Murphy There you go.
How was he like
Gerson Schilipacke (07:17):
he was a cool guy he's like yeah, he's
building out big name fightersfrom photobox orsinium here is
more like a monster calm downbut he is pushing guys to you
know get better and as afighters lead did pretty well
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the guys in training to kindamotivated the coming back give
you all you have you know it wasrough but you get the better in
other quotes we shoot about asobia gear had many coaches
every I can't name so many
Jose Flores (07:56):
but but you had I'm sorry What was his name again?
Just hold the market very good.
My friend Reagan was yourinstructor and was shooter
boxing and was it a fairly newschool or was it already around
was
Gerson Schilipacke (08:10):
around those boxes? I think they they start
in 19 8019 okay add to somethinglike that.
Jose Flores (08:19):
Okay, so you're 15 years you started when 15 years
later around the end maybe fiveYes.
Gerson Schilipacke (08:26):
Was a small gym or should the box have a big
explosion around the nine eightwhen start the heavy fight
international fighters want thevalue to explode digital box
explode because they was aheadof time they they had their
whole army ready to fight inthat time.
Jose Flores (08:47):
And I mean pride fighting like you said pride by
Ryan in Japan in Japan andalthough they they got it on the
map Yeah. As you said randomlysilver was randomly I think also
probably
Gerson Schilipacke (09:00):
late Pele Frankfurter box was an underlay
pillar llmd was the pillar underthe first is his really made it
the open the way for all theother fighters in them right
after bill that came you'veunderlay silverware he was the
the Mr. Pride he's dominate for10 years champion 10 years then
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open for many other fighters onthe private from the box Baba
who already was from otherstates.
Jose Flores (09:29):
Okay, got it. All right. All right. And well you
see now that the people comingup in the fighting Did you
yourself that you get that edgelike I want to fight?
Gerson Schilipacke (09:38):
I want the problem back in the day was
valid to don't have rulesbasically. Especially weight
classes. So the guys that was170 pounds, kinda working out to
go up to 185 205 pounds. He thenwas the average size for Be able
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to do deal with everybody. Youknow, the side headwater guys is
smaller like you Me and my fullgeneration the fighters like 125
pounds 25 pounds not likegetaway to like today so for us
basically the first two yearsdon't have any chance for MMA or
valid dude because you don'thave to wait to class you go if
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you want to fight you want tostep inside the ring against
that guy 200 210 pounds no gloveis down everything it goes
soccer kickers it's donkeysdon't have the rule is so small
guys don't have it there I wantto be the fighter was the sport
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was hobby was we want him to bea bear but she stepped in the
ring you don't have the chancethen later to start to have
weight class them had theirFriday What was the name Heather
the main pride that our thebigger guys have it is my one no
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no was the pride pride the onename that was the guys 170
pounds yeah well 55 pounds oh hethen the small guys who started
having more but today it'salready was probably 2003 four
or five for me I'm 47 right nowabout at that time already was
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getting on the oldest site wehad the more I had more Thai
fights because the more Thaisame The rule is was different
but the heavy weight classesalready in Brazil so I had the
chance to fight him there but inthat time in my time Brazil was
you fighting basically don'thave the amateur as a straight
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pro first fight to probe custommaterial don't exist in Brazil
back in that time I can so yougo there fighting a professional
fighter already for a T shirt ora T shirt or you know I teach
you that you get the T shirt anda mouthpiece yeah like now I
don't have to use my thighspainful it's not like you're
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doing fight back to home youwill promote a fight especially
in the time because you are itcan be good but the experience
is not there so it's a full fullblow off I you know you see
amateurs fighting right now yousee the pro you're gonna see the
paces JFIF DLL the amateurs goout crazy. You think you step as
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a pro already we did that kindof experience and like even like
you're really good you're neverfought in the first fight to go
straight pro man is a full blownoff item pro level is so over
and assignments in keeping thatdon't have future on that, you
know, just injuries and thenbezel Ray to coaching liability
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stacking. push away. And careerfighting career. Wasn't the
career basically.
Jose Flores (13:03):
I mean, I'm still shocked that you said you fought
a full blown head for a shirt ora mouth guard. That is insane,
insane,
Gerson Schilipacke (13:12):
insane. But, you know, like in your sport to
start somewhere? Yes, he thenstarted becoming more
professional or rule is moreunderstanding. You know what,
okay, about 25 to 2020 to 25days factor in 25 years ago,
basically, two years, threeyears later, start fighting. So
still 20 years ago.
Jose Flores (13:36):
You seen the world change? Okay? Yeah, you
Gerson Schilipacke (13:38):
see the mission of the sport Tilden
there okay, like I see here youknow, I'm moving here the
morning time today is waydifferent than 12 years ago and
I'm moving to the west so muchthat is not even the same sport.
Jose Flores (13:54):
So the data I mean, did injuries occur more often?
Of course they could occur moreoften and when you're doing
that, then the now Yeah, I meanjust because of the shin guards
the gloves the head here,
Gerson Schilipacke (14:07):
here I know a heavy fighters or any pro
fighter you can see that the toptwo gyms you're going to see the
guys heading here. shin guards,elbow pads, knee pads, you know
sometimes most times even chestdeprotection when these more
specifically training that youknow you're going to take some
blows up on the body like brokenribs in my time you don't have
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nothing there so I broke in readbecause I have a collection like
it was normal only they can usetheir heavy break and don't have
too much room chew to mistakes.
Oh, so
Jose Flores (14:43):
was it more like I got broken ribs like bragging
about it. Oh, I got broken ribs.
You know, it's like
Gerson Schilipacke (14:50):
Tim, Cook's like, in right now. We seen
Curtis in genius. Everybodyfreaking out like oh my god but
back in the day. It was Stanfordless so you won't get to cut the
small cut to go there Why arethey quote finishing around?
Finish around now go washVaseline the tape is not that
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bad back you finish your otherrounds you know was a vital man
because if they're heavy decidedto okay you're a fighter you're
going to stop a fight becauseyou've got a little cut no so
this is training for when you'reon the ring you'll get occurred
for us normal heavy a lot toobehind it but was a full
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environment to create fightersnot the commercial gym like you
right now is normal you need tohave a fighter you need to have
a commercial training tooleverybody is different
Jose Flores (15:43):
and I want to I want to touch base with you on
that however I want to backtracka little bit I think I heard you
came to the US later on in yourlife in your 30s so so what made
you come to the US what Ibasically
Gerson Schilipacke (16:00):
I was looking for a vacation or it's
changed a little bit you knowvacation stay out the visit my
friends here in San Diego and Ilike you know the site stay a
little bit longer site stay alittle bit longer than say you
know what, since they're gonnastay i'd love teaching then they
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start looking for places toteaching first and up find a
place in Huntington Beach toteaching so it could stay longer
in the site state indefinitely
Jose Flores (16:35):
oh wow that is awesome. So you talk to me how
was that how was your experienceover there
Gerson Schilipacke (16:41):
no hunting beaches really tough spot a spot
for a gym or for to be a teacherbecause it mostly off the top
trainers leaving their teachingtheir heavy gyms there you know
since a okay and 2006 when I'mmoving to the west started
teaching around half of 2006 soin 2007 is when I decided I want
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to be full time trainer andstart teaching on the Ghazi
Academy in Huntington Beach. Soin that time for shoot the boxer
was just me I was the onlyshooter boxer in California or
in the USA was doing this theysay you know what? You decide
stay so you're the official headcoach for the LLC started
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building a Basie and they'llfind that GM started teaching
building a solid base where theother fighters from photobox can
be there when they fight in theUFC you know like find the
fights for the fighters help theteam Yeti stable in the in the
West so I started doing that jobin back in there as well.
Jose Flores (17:53):
So you mean now that you got permission to teach
but should the bar should haveoften told you Okay, you're
gonna stay in California you'regoing to be the head coach on
the west and you were the onlyone that there was only one for
40 years that's pretty amazingyeah
Gerson Schilipacke (18:08):
the the guys Academy wasn't perfect jujitsu
gym so I brought to the point Iwe building a solid stronger
base and
Jose Flores (18:18):
I'm indebted to my talents from
Gerson Schilipacke (18:20):
he then later in 2008 2000 2008 to 2009
then with Rafael Cordero Kanewas the other domain coaches in
Brazil. That was the mainfunction in that time they
decided to move to the west so Ihelped them to get satellites
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into their secure I put a I gavehim a spot to his teaching the
girls Academy on the morning orfor the fighters he then when
the days in the splitted areamember Raphael we ended up you
find the other place I felt puttogether a gym then and but then
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here's the side the leftshoulder box and I decided stay
Yeah, you down. I'm moving Istarted looking for other place
where I found this place, LongBeach, same location in 2009. Me
and my wife and we open displaysand keep it going as shooter
walks and he is moving Europeand kings kings MMA.
Jose Flores (19:29):
So you're thinking some of his thinking and you you
open the box. And I mean correctme if I'm wrong but that's
that's around the time UltimateFighter one or whatever it was
growing. So you see any newstudents the rise of new
students as UFC started gettingbigger yourself. We
Gerson Schilipacke (19:54):
have a lot guys the coming training was
training other gyms so a lot ofthese guys down the beginning of
this UFC which made fighter oreven UFC came in did a couple
classes are well known can leaveyou but seeing one guy that came
the first day with you as yougrow all the way up I didn't
have the time it you see therebecause there was 2007 eight and
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nine and then moving on with seafighter lab we're gonna take
your five to 10 years to makethese I had no time to see
anyone grow their way there
Jose Flores (20:28):
wow okay and I mean we were we were talking to shoot
tip or we're talking about shootboxing and now your fight
solutions if you don't mind measking the reason though the
name of the champion the namechange
Gerson Schilipacke (20:45):
I stay as a head coach put it through a lot
fighters from Brazil from thebox fighting here is support to
the team all the way to 2018 soin 2018 we opened a second
location in had on the beach Oh,there was a bigger location here
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is 3000 square feet that is likesix 7000 square feet huge
location to be the main base fordouble Yes, but then things
change there and they start okayand now we need the give me more
money more money they seem togrow we feel like we can
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capitalize on that to what the Ifelt wasn't fair because they
never have helped me with theany money it was all my daughter
me and my wife. Yes 10 yearsworking shows getting that
level. So we had that agreementmore about the money than the
and the other thing you want tosay you know what? I already
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been doing this for so long. Ialready have many fighters. I
have fighters on the UFC. I hadfighters on the baileigh Thor I
have two fighters on the lionfight so all the main event is
in striking or MMA in the word Ihave fighters so I don't mean
the I produce not that they camein from the box American guys
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you know, they know what I'mgonna do my own thing this time
joking my own team then we kindof did the name and everything
we did. We were coincidentallywas tiny to remodeling this
location. Oh whopping 2009almost 10 years This was kinda
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we need the remodel so we was inDel Monte completely remodeling
this place it didn't say Youknow what? Let's switch the
color scheme with our callersand switch everything we did
coincidentally came together todo the demo so we did you know
hey gretz even like it I have alot friends that shoot the bots
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a lot more stuff for my friendswe train for before I move in
here from 95 to 2006 so now I'llevery single one I still friends
with nine 8% why respect to whatI learned from them but all
these years here I had to evolveso what I'm teaching right now
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is not too much though what Ilearned besides mental game
isn't me you know that the thephilosophy that I learned if
that is the top notch of thefront squats I keep adding more
stuff technical wise you evolvethe technique evolve so we
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moving forward but strongerrespect for what they I got from
devoxx is to my team I love totell my heart but the things
needed to change I meaneverything evolves eventually
involves and I mean good spotand I love the gym and how do
you come up with the name findsolutions you know like who was
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in the sport it you know no shoebox for being extremely
aggressive style it then Ideveloped the one mentality
fighting here mercy my fightershere they vote like I say their
sport evolve. I started teachinga little bit more these mighty
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thing behind the fight to be farbehind the technique. You need
to be smart you need to know howwhen Why was he any single
technique not just okay you'relearning jab straight dig and
kickers and let go they're gonnamarshy straightforward English
whatever I know and the guy isgonna win the fight now. You
have a timing. You have speedthe acceleration times you go in
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Thank you juggle out of movingforward the aggressive move
moving forward to beaggressively moving backwards,
moving angles, you know howdevelop the elders and the
fighters I came up with okay youHow is anyone inside the method
always have a problem to solveyour opponent is always one big
problem in your face that youneed to solve every single
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second that I move it differentit's a different problem is
bring it to you and I need tobring you the solution as a
coach so then can you okay youhave a problems and we need to
bring you the solutions fightsolution
Jose Flores (25:24):
that is awesome.
That's like that. That's great.
And I mean you're talking aboutthe philosophy and everything
what what's your philosophy inthe fight in the fighting war
fighters that you teach yourstudent Now firstly,
Gerson Schilipacke (25:39):
I'd like to keep the martial arts philosophy
on top I kicked me from shutterbox through the box was a gym
that was really struggling tohierarchy and discipline you
know in I came into the YRC Ifelt like he allotted MMA gyms
was already occasion fightersand firemen don't have the rules
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don't have him for that he hadour key don't have discipline
have a lot to like and strongerfighter I can be 10 one here so
I moving in I do whatever I wanteven like talking back to coach
or whatever you know, and Istrongly don't like that so when
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I decided we decided to openthis gym Okay, this is gonna be
the gym that I always drink evenin my tiny when what I miss it
in my time training I want totry put inside the gym he then
came stronger here at thezipline respect all my fighters
you can come in here anytimeyou're gonna see the guys kind
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of killing each other in somespots. But the Assam finish they
are our friends is always milesout one group you don't want to
see a little group the olderguys in training separated the
newbies in the other sidefeeling like knowledge in the
data now they go there they talkto everybody everybody's one
group and outside of the matyou're going to see smiles
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you're gonna see people walkingaround the friendly you know
welcoming to everybody and notlike a bunch of like mean muscle
guys. No, indicate we're goingto fight. We are the nicest team
without everybody was jokingeven with the other thing they
want to fight against years.
Between fighters is personnel inthat time. Oh, yeah. finish the
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fight everybody's friend, youknow, you walking out to the
cage, you're already gonna seethe expression change. But there
is what do we do this inside theregion for years z then bringing
outside but basically ourphilosophy is follow the martial
arts, teaching, you know, berespectful, be having good
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discipline, you know, honor,loyalty out is it then you're
going to be a fighter? After youget out this?
Jose Flores (28:00):
I'm glad you touched base because I mean, I
come from a traditional martialarts background. However, I
noticed things were changing. Assoon as the UFC was coming up.
Yes, because everybody wanted tobe a fighter. So okay, it's
great. You want to be a fighter.
However, people went in therewith the wrong mindset. And I
mean, not to bash any coaches oranything but some coaches, okay,
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you just want to be a fighter,but they never taught him the
respect that's on it. I mean,discipline. Of course, that
doesn't limit the wholerespecting that's being like you
said that. Yeah, they. Yeah. Andfor me, that's one of the things
I mean, Everywhere I go, and Isee a coach, Randy, how you
doing, sir? And I always lastname basis. And I've gotten a
lot of people not call me by myfirst name. It's just the
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respect that is that's why andI'm glad you touch that base.
I'm glad I mean, I'm glad. Andyes, I mean, even when I came in
today to ask you for thepodcast, everyone was very, I
mean, you're setting you werevery welcoming. And I noticed I
was like wow, okay, this is, uh,you know, you know, traditional
martial arts but you had that,take that and I feel that vibe
of traditional martial arts. AndI like that and then thank you
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so much. They appreciate that.
Yeah. And so I wanted to ask youhow many do you know do you
recall how many fights you haveprofessionally for yourself?
Around the dam something aroundit okay. And what was your
mindset before trainingthroughout those fights how you
keep your what what drove youmade what was your drive?
Gerson Schilipacke (29:29):
I kinda wants to try myself yes try your
training the level the time youdon't have your a training hard
is a basically fight every day.
You know, between our own peoplefight every day was was normal.
You coming to the gym? Manytimes you pray before go
jogging, wanna go? I want tolearn and want to fight Ellen's
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gonna get the injury. So God ishelping me to back safe your
home and you go you do yourthing. Get this every day. So
you Basically fighting everysingle day multiple times with
different guys in different sizeyeah most time you take a bit
not only go there you're theredominate the guy now in my size
especially it was they alwayshad to push myself to try to
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revive you know and then comingnaturally okay let's try to
start because don't have toomuch events during that time so
when show up one opportunityEverybody wanna jumping in also
had a few opportunities but wasthe coach push a little bit say
you shouldn't be fighting afight you know you say okay
(30:37):
let's do it you know like thingslike that Yeah,
Jose Flores (30:42):
yeah cuz sometimes you just need that push because
sometimes us I mean yourself asa fighter you see us No, I'm not
ready I'm not ready all you needis that push like go ahead
you're already good just go showup, just show up. And that's
like so you've been here sinceyou said 2009 2000 676 and
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everything and so you've seen alot of students come in and out
how do you determine when torank up a student? What do you
look for?
Gerson Schilipacke (31:10):
We have or the Brazilian fit. Since I'm
from Brazil, then Brazil havethe Brazilian muy Thai
Federation they rules the moretime they're having the ranking
system they own Brazilian fewcountries of America follow the
same system and when I'm movinghere I decided to keep it the
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same system even like the muyThai in the US is not true
stronger for ranking system. Alot of the top agents who eat
Thai coaches have his rankingsystems from ILO they say a lot
of people that is not to rank itbecause it here in the US you
don't have regulation so I see alot the kids the training for
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six months one year two yearsI'm a coach Okay, Coach so they
don't have any certificationthey don't have okay your coach
what you did I trained for twoyears Oh heavy fight no or one
amateur fight the culture Yeah,you can be a good coach but you
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don't have a certification sothese guys is talking badly
about it when he's here are halfof my time ranking system in the
West white title heavy rankingsystem don't exist but they
exist whose research is theGoogle is here for everybody?
Yeah, it's free research you'regoing to see the white tie
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Association here he FEMA gayinternational meitei associate
all this heavy ranking systemthese there is for everybody so
this coaches the batch my timeranking is bullshit it's just
for money lice because they haveall over the word USA we started
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getting stronger and stronger inwhite tight ranking system
exactly for me but rankingsystem we have here explane to
the guys it is you step in a gymyou don't know who is home
that's true now that is true butthen when you start to train and
then you see a little guy weakyou're stronger see now spying
(33:18):
is going to delete this littleguy a little bit then end up
with a little guy He's aprofessional fighter with
training since he nine years oldhe then he's gonna beat you
because you try beating him upbut when you put the ranking
system we explain look lookingmy ranking system we have the
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band and the iron so look in thearmy the people you see the
color you kind of know what thewho's who is who inside them so
it didn't help me as a coachbecause right now back in the
day I was the only coach rightmargin. Now I am the head coach
but they have three or fourother instructors inside the gym
(33:59):
our students mine to keep it thetechnique beer and clean and not
bring in five air quotes fromoutside needs to be sung on the
learning everything under itthen they have their own
classes. He then I don't knowhow many students they're doing
six Amy I don't know how youknow students they do classes
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that is not the mind the I knowthem but I don't know how is the
technique so I know the rankingsystem they are they're kind of
seeing the ranking know whereeach one should be in technique.
He then we keep the thing isgoing in the same level
Jose Flores (34:35):
then that's great.
Oh man, I like that. I mean youjust looking at the ranking
system when so for yourself inorder for them to become a coach
or to become a black belt. Whatdo you look for what do you
require in them? But we have
Gerson Schilipacke (34:53):
few belts like in your rack system you
started as white belt? Yes, theyare the first the belt to get is
a white With a little piece ofred then you get a full red
band. Then ready band De Niro PClight blue then you get light
blue. This first ability you'regonna take two to three years to
(35:15):
get when you get the light blueis why am I starting to give you
some instruction how to be aninstructor before there you
learn the technique is to learnthe technical side the day the
philosophy of the gym, themartial arts, everything. They
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are the blue light blue, goingto come in pointed dark blue in
dark blue, between the lightblue and dark blue you're gonna
take in more two to three yearsDSP do they already teaching you
how to be a teacher or coach thedark blue you are going to start
giving you classes to teachinside the gym where do you
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under my supervision I see howyou develop the student not just
teaching the technique unitydeveloping them technically they
grow so that our people hepointed black and black is the
next two belts. So between thethree belts don't have a tiny
range. I needed to see yourtechnique evolve I needed to see
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your inside and outside the gymhow you carry yourself you know
because I can have a guy insidethe gym acting goodie on the
back outside a bad person. So Ineed to help you to find your
way in life to because you'regoing to have presented my name
in my gym later if you have alocation in UEC right now you
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know a lot the big gyms heavyaffiliate affiliated the gym
that the coach did somethingwrong, they put a bed in anyhow
they did remove affiliations youknow, so I tried to avoid that.
So I really pick with the who'sgoing to Hey presenters outside
my gym. So this is the trainingwe do for everybody. So I have a
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few black couple had blackbelts, because I'm really
straight with the belt. Sinceeven like a teaching here for 12
years. I have two black belts onWow, only two Yuan just got a
black belt to the last amount.
Yeah, and also in all theseyears I just produce true black
belt. Yeah, my heavy damn guyswaiting for one to three years
(37:30):
already they I still beenhelping them to see okay, now
you're ready, then you're gonnaget it then you're gonna have
full support after the actual ifyou want to walk in our
location, we will you know, butuntil they show the technical
level we need and the person thepersonality, everything that is
(37:51):
right, it should lead the otherkids because not just the runs a
gym, it's not just the money,you are going to help the
parents to develop kids. RightRight now we had two kids three
years old 34567 if you are notresponsible, you're going to
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help the parents to create araising a bunch of problems.
That is correct. So my reallyfocusing who's teaching who's
teaching kids because you arethe lead? You're their heroes,
basically, I think kids fiveyears old, they look into the
fighters I have and the coachesare like that is my male Hamada
(38:35):
was my is my hero. So what didthey do? They get they probably
want to do if they want to dostuff. If the code you're
showing bed is failed there,especially back in the day don't
have social media. Now likeokay, that code back in the day
you're close to Jimmy go out.
Unknown (38:59):
Right now it's social media man's Good to see you what
you do every time.
Gerson Schilipacke (39:03):
So if you started posting the bad stuff
down there, they think there isthe right way to do and they
can't let it happen. No, I can'tthey have a responsibility with
the community we built.
Jose Flores (39:15):
Yeah, no, that's, that's great stuff you're
teaching there because I mean, Iknow where you're coming from. I
myself have students on mysocial media, but all they see
on my social medias, familypictures or pictures of
Disneyland because I love thisthing. And I know what you mean,
I'm a role model because theydon't look up to you. They only
look up to you and and yeah, I Ifeel that responsibility that I
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want to be a good role model. Idon't know about yourself, but I
do feel that responsibility of Iwant to be a good role model for
these kids. So I I don't party.
I never party. I mean, I did butit wasn't my scene. But for me,
you catch me just eitherDisneyland or you catch me
Either watching UFC fights orjust hanging out with friends
(40:02):
playing games. That's an yeah,that's all I do. I mean, or a
little bit of jujitsu here andthere but I love it. I love that
and everything.
Gerson Schilipacke (40:16):
But I know a lot of these younger guys need a
living we've been I've beenthere before you know, but be
responsible is not theeverything you do outside the
day you need the braggy for thislittle kid is saying, you know,
okay, you wanna go you wannaparty? Go party? Private, yes,
do your freedom keep posting youputting out blank stuff you do
(40:43):
that for you maybe is nice. Butfor the little kids, they don't
need to see that they electedthey decide what they gonna do
when they can becoming teenagersand adults. Like today decide to
be lead the dental on the rightway. The parents leading even
more, you don't know, but it'stheir decision without setting
(41:03):
in their head since young agefighter was doing this in their
day. I want to keep you out,keep it private to do you're
living your life. But privately,if your instructor if you are a
higher level fighter, you know,needed them the right way help
you they want to see good stuffin not a false impression that
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that is the way to go.
Jose Flores (41:27):
Yeah, I mean, if a student came up to me and said,
you know, Mr. Gerson I want tobe I want to be an instructor or
a coach. Then when you have thetalk, Okay, you know what,
there's certain things that youknow, just not inside the gym
but outside of the gym when I
Gerson Schilipacke (41:45):
when they come in around the day, they
that time the light blue. Okay,coach, I want to be instructor
What do you mean? I said, Isaid, and I said, The rule is we
have because we have rules to bea coach. He The only is how you
carry yourself in how you carryyourself out, when you're a
black belt, okay, coach, I wannahave a gym, we have the rules
(42:07):
for that job. Because, like Isay, I came from a box. So the
box in my town, only heavy,probably 4000 students in many
locations, but they think itgrow so much it towards some
years there, everyone should,like you hear, they'll have one
shoe box on the on the highstreet, then the other box on
(42:29):
the head on the street, if youwant to the box on the second
district. So everybody fightingfor the same crowd. It then we
have a bunch of guys that arebasically working to pay their
bills and are growing the goalis I love martial arts. I love
to lead the oldest kids, I loveto have fighters but this is
(42:53):
what put the food in my tablethis everybody want to grow in
life, you want to have thehouse, you want to have the nice
car, or you want to you know,help more people, whatever is
your goal coming from your gym,this is your job. This is not
your hobby, you can enjoy as ahobby, what to make the morning
(43:13):
joyful. But in the end of theday, this is what pays my bills.
So I don't want to produce abunch of guys under me, they're
gonna open a gym two blocks fromme. So we have rules, you know,
normal rule is basically isblending in, it's spread, you
know, you close this door,you're driving your car in the
(43:34):
night time it 20 minutesanywhere you want. If you don't
have your other coach from usalready there, you pick the
location, the location wasyours. And we're gonna make sure
the next guy the coming, goingto pick a location 20 minutes
anywhere from your location. Soyou're going to spread the
coordinates in not in the befighting each other. You know,
(43:56):
so we have those rules, truebusiness rules. Yeah, their
development is spread. We havey'all there too. So I explained
to them all this upfront, butthen the heavy guys did not even
teaching inside my gym and startgoing out to my gym. Okay, so
(44:18):
get out of here not gonna behere. He then they often mostly
fail. Yeah. Because in the endof the day, what do they do
this? Like I say the Google ishere. Google is free. And I
highly recommend Google yourcoach, Google the coach. I want
to sign up near the gym, Googlethe coach go to his background
(44:42):
where his came from how longhe's in training what his
history you know why because yousee a lot the guys the training
six months and under coach. Hethen you Google, you're gonna
find out that the culture ofthat guy is five to 10 minutes
from there. Cool. You're gonnatrain with the distributor the
training one year no nobasically nothing or the culture
(45:06):
there have it 20 3040 years intraining you know like I'm not
experienced a lot that know howto best forward Google the coach
you're gonna see spot a lot fakeKildare you know a lot to fake
out there who's training forlike your coach for a long time
on the court we kind of knowalready not as the guy deserved
(45:29):
or not but put your time you'regonna like we say that you're
going to be leading people youhave a responsibility you need
to develop even if you don'twant to lead this person on
level you need the lead the as acoach that the person that
paying money for you wanting tolearn you get the batter
developing and whatever areathey want they want to lose your
(45:50):
weight self defense fighting youneed to be able to develop them
in the supply What are theypaying for? And I get training
123 years not gonna be he'sgonna teach him the punch is
gonna teach him the key keys ona teaching the footwork he is on
a teaching a takedown aregrappling but he is don't know
(46:12):
how develop it that you getfaster and stronger or more
transitions more combinations.
They're gonna teach you thebasic the basic water coming
behind it to develop it theirperson they don't have either on
this one I see a lot I see a lothere in my gym. People are I
signed a year contracting thisex jam. And it was always the
same thing I don't learn I stuckyour train latency the guy's a
(46:37):
trainee one year with you. Ishowed this guy train one year
this guy six months. He theguy's Well, it's better than the
I'm alreadyhere. If they're waiting finish
that year contract, they signthe other job. He didn't come
here. He then told him I saidMan, I losing time. I haven't
guys have one guy. I'll saynames but he's training for
(46:59):
around. He's like 48 years old.
49 years old training for 30years his best by most local
genes between LA and HuntingtonBeach. And experience he was
trained in one gym that was inArizona where it is the biggest
(47:20):
muy Thai tournament and the lasttwo years is in Phoenix Arizona.
So he was in 2018 in his underfighting and broke his ankle
that broke his leg and then he'sa COVID He's coming back start
training with me he's kind ofdoing privatdozent group class
(47:40):
and he's like boom bellyunbelievable the amount of years
I pass learning nothing beingbasically scamming you know and
he is ended up bringing a lot ofpeople because i doing this for
so long and a lot there thetraining out there around you
(48:03):
know like so coming to the gym,you know because the coaches
don't have experience you canteach in nicer stuff but the way
you teach my sister for one yearhe then you don't know how
developed they are my sister guystuck the personal and you can
beat them Yes, he's gonna belike that, you know he don't
wanna grow he's not gonna getthe more of so that is the
(48:27):
geofence so my recommendationGoogle go for sure you can see
good quotes you can see badquotes even with the experience
Yeah, no, but if you do yourresearch you're going to save
your money the study in one gymthe first year when you don't
know anything to learn is goodthe more you're learning more
this type to open your mind sayoh, I don't think this is right
(48:49):
or I think I stuck and need themyou know so if your research
already want to jump in thefirst year is stuck in LA low
level experienced head coach healready go for something only
going to develop here
Jose Flores (49:03):
that is oh man you just blew my mind that is true
that I mean you need what tolearn after the basics because
you don't want to be stuck withbasics. I mean basics are good.
However, I
Gerson Schilipacke (49:17):
have a class here twice a week there is no
spine just my tie fundamentalsin my pro fighters do the class
the professionals doing thatless consistently the amateurs
everybody do it. Why? Becausethere is the class that I don't
have training for 2528 years. Istill learning they are they you
(49:40):
know I never stop learning. Istill learning all the time, am
I still pressing? The jabdistrait the low key because if
you don't press your techniqueyou get to worst. If you
practice your technique gettingbetter even if you did esky for
30 years. You Ice chill, makingbetter in chill, forcing myself
(50:05):
to whatever faster and stronger,you know angles everything, I
still doing the same agendastraight low key key as a
beginner over and over and neverstop. So you need to do that in
any one train six months here orin any gym basically you learn
(50:26):
in most of the moves, six monthsone year, even like if there's a
gym, they handle that do a lotspins and you learn in most of
the technique and the sixthjourneyer after that is how
you're going to develop thetechnique coming in that they
are going to be Kiki stronger orKiki faster. Now you have the
(50:50):
angles when you're going to losedecades not every kikuna working
every time you need to knowwhere throw the kick when you
know inside IV nation can do jabstraight kick or you can go jab
geeky, demonstrate why becauseif the guy did the zombie movies
there is opening for you. So howdoes understanding for me to
(51:12):
give me basically 10 years tostart understanding those
things, you know, like it openedmy mind to like, Oh my God, why
nobody told me this. Becausethey ever caught you. In the pit
learning everything for someoneor few people in them have their
own understanding of thetechnique. Then from there, even
(51:34):
like you learned the sametechnique then 1000 people in
the gym, you are different. Yes.
Now you're a little differentthe way you teach and the way
you explain that people onthere, you're already going to
be different than the studentsfrom your best friend. They are
learning everything with you foryears you know, teaching other
gym your understanding iseverything
Jose Flores (51:58):
that that is true and I like how you how you put
it that way. I mean it's all howare you going to evolve and
that's what's wonderful aboutmartial arts it's always
evolving as always nervous Yeah,coach
Gerson Schilipacke (52:10):
you there.
Close the doors, close theireyes, whatever I learned is
whatever I teach nothing change.
That's it stuck is going to beall the news in one two years.
Yeah, you need to keep your eyesopen. I'm going to events I go
into tournaments. I seen otherfighters I seen other gyms I
(52:32):
seen things they might fightersdoing good there I see my
fighters missing from their eyebuilding. I really know I
changed thing because a pistolis a constantly evolution Yeah,
at constant will never stop.
Jose Flores (52:46):
And is that what you encourage your students to
do? Even amateur fights areperfect because that's how I
mean that's how I interpretthings. That's how I mean aside
from the sparring, that's howyou also learn you're like
yourself to evolve from thefighting. The thing is,
Gerson Schilipacke (53:02):
I have a lot of guys no levels, you know some
days here like Tuesday Thursdaysthat is the main classes I have
that I personally teach so mostguys come into the gym to train
with me you're going to see dayslike have plenty guys have a day
say 30 guys and his display iscrowded founded 30 guys if you
(53:25):
show up 30 guys today to anygonna be guys with five to 10
years in training other mealready. Wow. So this guy is
with a bunch of amateur fights.
Fellow fighters out there trainspecifically lay underneath.
They train everyday, theysparring multiple times a week.
So even like they are good. Theystart to know each other. Yeah,
(53:49):
now I know I'm going spy herewith the this guy. I know what
he's doing good and bad regardthen I go into the next I know
what so they inside the yearsthey know each other so even
like both feels really good.
don't have that surprise elementtoo much here on the RDS. So
(54:11):
this is when we go to fight. Ihave genes there for many
students there. I left it fromhoney Don't they have their own
genomes in Holland into CostaMesa you're vying San Diego you
know like I say even like okayyou didn't not tell the process
to be a black belt representedMy name having my name and my
(54:34):
you know, you open our gym ordoing good far away from me with
Joe cooperating workout sistergyms. They bring their guys just
fine with me. I can give you mypoint of view to them. I bring
you my guys just backing me downso they can have it there.
Surprise effect. Now they'regoing to fight them. They're
(54:59):
just when you see what's workingwhat's not what you need to
change it from there is theexperiences that grow not just a
really inspiring between thembecause yet too much too much
too much same stuff you knowthey even like you one is way
better the other start to kindof pick the pace they know I
(55:22):
normally do this combinationit's normally heavy there's a
stronger side of the order hisleft his right his was more kids
it was more points it was moreclinch takedowns if it's MMA
training you know he's got theGrappler we're gonna force you
to take it down so when you goto these other places there we
cooperating you don't know whyeverybody there and then is when
the surprise effect me hit thatis when we fix the things when
(55:44):
you back home
Jose Flores (55:44):
wow that was like that and that's great that used
to cooperate with a lot of gymsbecause not that many gyms do
that.
Gerson Schilipacke (55:51):
No, I avoid it because it does seem quitted
like we talk about La La all theway from LA all the way to San
Diego mostly fight mostly jeansfighting same events. So a lot
of gyms working with thecrosstraining like yeah, I'm
white I'm really everybody nomice no muy Thai only but the
(56:14):
striking yes teaching so I havea lot of fighters they call me
an email coach I'm gonna throwin striking with you but they're
gonna train you're wrestlingthis other gym we're gonna train
Jiu Jitsu and the other gym youknow it then they're those gyms
is the gyms that normally gonnafight and we fighting against
(56:34):
the advances so not too muchoptions. We fight the NSA. I
don't like to have someone fromthe gym, peeking what they want
from us eat them back at theirbest to their guys then fight my
guy that is loyal to me. 100%The guy didn't really Jiu Jitsu
with me. And with us here Iwould like to be able to jujitsu
(56:55):
more into the teaching for us.
Even like I teach in grappling.
But for the MMA. So I have thejujitsu coach. I have the meitei
the MMA the strengthconditioning online guy says we
all do so the guy that iscompletely loyal to us. kV ow
wanted us if they only want totrain one guy they may be gonna
(57:17):
fight against him my guy or likefriend of him that he's gonna
give you all the tips on thisguy is gonna fight I know him
but he's fine with it. He's goodit is better than that. So to
avoid that I don't take guysfrom other gyms if it is look I
have guys from San Diego comingyou know I have guys that coming
from other states or their seatis there normally is not in the
(57:40):
same range of events refight Ihave I owe on teaching them with
sci fi there is the community Iwant to say we do Okay, let's do
it down is the differentenvironment is different the
level of competition than I havebut if it's a local fighter the
training our local gym that Ihave in St. Louis even like for
(58:05):
business only straight as abusiness I show the heavy
everybody you know, trying toget the price but I asking for
loyalty for my guys. Yeah. And Ineed to give you my loyalty to
them is traded that need to beright on the balance if you want
go off is not working for myside or for their side so I
(58:30):
asked him the loyalty I give himmy loyalty. It is the way we've
been doing it so far. I have noregrets.
Jose Flores (58:36):
I like that. That's awesome. And you went back to
UFC fighters I you know I waswatching an interview with
Michael Bisping he he mentionedyour name and how did that
meeting go about how do you guysget together talk about
basically
Gerson Schilipacke (58:49):
VSP his met one older fighter mine that is
what I did not even traininganymore. He met the despite
professional head in Vegasnightclub fighter. He was famous
in the great fighter twoprofessional eye training Long
Beach in Huntington Beach beingwas in England but the moving
(59:12):
through us saying the past andmoving the DA maybe you can spot
him sometime you don't knowOkay, they tray the fonts. The
past few months been called himsaying on fight camp and he the
sparring partners. Are you up tomy guy conversate coach what it
is I go there, do your thing. MyGoDaddy did a good pay us like a
(59:35):
couple weeks they all had to doout there and that's the other
sparring session like I go thereand did you go there? You didn't
say then they go Who's yourcoach? There is Jeremy
introducing me to him. He thenthey call me maybe one week
later because he was in camp tofight I think Jason Miller on
alternate fighter the coaches onthe Ultimate Fighter. Don't
(59:58):
Okay, then I go there. I saw hisday spa he without my guy he and
the other two guys Then theyasked me what do you think sir I
should do tweaks I said now myhair too pointy and now what
they actually do a littledifferent special on the
spanking my guy because my guynormally do this see man nice
then past few time maybe bearthe fight us won the fight he
(01:00:24):
then he's came here then he'scame here training here on sir
twice he then after that hismanager call me yeah and then we
set up putting contract andlifestyle then I was official
code for him when we did it likefive years fight camps that he
then when I open the gym andhead on to everyone's kinda we
(01:00:45):
spread hadn't started have notime because it fighted in there
level consuming a lot of time.
It was three classes thatprivates are weak in three
Spartans in different time. SoMonday, Wednesday, Friday, I had
to go to Mr. Because he's livingfar away then with the size of
their training or their rockergym in Costa Mesa was a middle
(01:01:10):
ground ground so I drive 20minutes is writing blogging it's
good for everybody. All otherquotes to agree multiple quotes
are there muy Thai nama me youknow wrestling other coach, so
it was easy for us was a dejimabase. So I had to go on the
(01:01:31):
morning, then I back then I haveto go on the evening. Then back
to Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
Really then travel to when wefight locally. With on the fight
week. We train normally in thegym, we got to wait till Friday,
on Thursday night Friday toSaturday you fight for the UFC
(01:01:53):
is different with see fighterschecking on the choosing. We had
to fight in Australia, they haveto adapt, we had to be there
1012 days before so all the timeyou're not in my gym near now.
So there was what's the fee tokeep you going because I see my
own fighters equals you don'thave time towards anymore. The
(01:02:16):
same time you have your orderwith the fighters while the
billeter fighters so wasbasically one week you hear two
out when we hear tuality downwhen I start feeling that um, I
don't know for how long it couldbe then I'll open a second
location that consumes a lot oftime then there was the the end
of the tinium train for the
Jose Flores (01:02:38):
well being a nice experience. You had to come back
to your students and one is alearning
Gerson Schilipacke (01:02:44):
process and like I say all the time you
because even like I was trainingthis being a top level fighter,
wasn't it? I always joke with myfive guys like a coach that guy
train with the guy see who's theguys train is on their card. You
guys are used to training withme because we are always
(01:03:05):
everyday together but the man Itraining wasn't the man to FFC.
Thank you How many coaches inour surrounding 20 miles the
coaching there was on the way FCminivan through divider. You can
pick it two or three. He knowswe joking about it there but he
was experiencing a lifetimeexperience. I learned I seen how
(01:03:29):
the boxing coach there was a toplevel boxing coach teaching him
I see how the jujitsuinteractivity him I see the
wrestling, I seen the strengthconditioning, they see me so
they pick things from my side,they pick things from their side
from there with, like I say,with joy for over here. So that
was a good experience for me.
Because I learned a lot insidethat period of five years
(01:03:54):
training.
Jose Flores (01:03:56):
Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, like we were
talking about martial artsevolving in that are you
involved? It's just andsometimes I mean, as as, as
coaches instructors, you can seethings differently than any
other person can do even alittle golden nugget that you
see you're like, Oh, okay. Allright. And then you could apply
that in because it becomesgreat. Yeah. So that's great.
(01:04:22):
Oh, well, sir. You know what Iknow you got things to do. I
know you're busy. But before wego, anything you would like to
say to your students or anythingand you would like to say I
mean, first of all, I always
Gerson Schilipacke (01:04:37):
have to thank you God for everything.
Basically, I follow his lead.
Now if me here today is becausehe's leading here and I try to
pass this forward. No, everybodyhave your own religion or
beliefs, but I'm not forcingthat in to any of my guys or
anyone around but you go in mysocial media, you're always
gonna see my first hashtag isup. Ready to go. And I believe
(01:04:59):
in that 100% so I won't takethings for you first and then
thank you to my wife because sheis with me since day one I moved
here a few months later we metshe was one fighter in mind we
ended up getting married is toall this time developing
(01:05:21):
everything together. So thankyou for the patience be a wife
of a coach is not a easy job. Wehave to do a lot a lot that
tension for the GM for thebusiness for fighting easy
sometimes in the house issomething missing. So it's hard
to balance in the patients youhave a wife or a girlfriend or a
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coach or a father is veryimportant you should be really
patient so thank you and to myguys thank you for being here to
believing or trust in my job theway I trusting their job and
keep training keep pushing youknow like that is a hard you
work it you do. There's a hardcareer be a fighter. So make
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sure they stay stay sharp stayfocus the priority needed be
impact when you lose yourpriorities you lose your career
and everybody around in mystudents the regular students
busy 89% of my gym is normalpeople it's people that know not
never gonna fight because theydon't want not that they could
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not technical wise the body typeconditioning they could be
fighter but not their thing.
They like the hobby they like itthey lose weight, keep it away
too low or self defense. Keeptraining never stopped because
everything you need be sharp allthe time. It's crazy all their
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self defense especially. Youneed to be in training. keep
staying trying to stay safe,because you never know where
you're going to need.
Jose Flores (01:06:59):
The army guys if you're looking for more Thai
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That's where I get the privilege to talk to the
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legends and words or the martialarts world. Today I am being
joined by Gerson Schiller, pack,founder and owner of fight
solutions, Sir, how are you? I'mgood. Thank you. You know, I was
afraid I was gonna butcher yourlast name there. That happens
all the time.
Gerson Schilipacke (00:20):
So how are you today? Sir? I'm pretty good
today. Yeah, starting today,right? That's awesome. Very
good. Yeah. So you were born ingood to Shiva. Yes. All right.
Can you tell me a little bitabout younger son? How was he?
Yes, Ma, you know, workingCincy, Erling Ag and they'll but
the martial arts came in earlyfor me to and curry Chiba Brazil
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is a city. Like come down. It'snot like a crazy city like Rio,
San Paolo. And martial arts isreally stronger than the city.
Like you didn't want to dieinside the strike inside. And
was always a dream. Brett? Yeah.
And when you say it was morecalm, like, it was just it was
more of a city or like more of arural area or he is like more
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like a real is like Californiaand could he cheer but it's like
Boston, New York.
business area, you know, ourbuildings, not the beachy or,
you know, outside fun, cold,they chill.
Jose Flores (01:25):
And you mentioned you started in Motown martial
arts at an early age was moitayour first style you started I
hadfast experiences with the karate
when I was like at 10 years old.
And but was fast. Yeah. I don'tstick with EDM syncing that time
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I started training 1995 I hadthe joy the turn 18 because it
was more violent in the time. Soyour parents need to sign you in
Give You Up to this age and myparents wasn't I walked
Gerson Schilipacke (02:02):
in with the mean that one so I had to wait
Anthony at him to dance signmyself up. So Jim,
Jose Flores (02:10):
so you waited in datacenter moiety devices I
mean, I I know very little mytime in just what I see. But so
it's a hardcore sport. It's
Gerson Schilipacke (02:22):
right now it's hard to court but back in
the day like 25 years ago waseven worse. You don't have to
watch a rule there's regulationsespecially in a third world
country like Brazil, where youknow a lot of people they made
up their own rules that theylike to hear right now have a
lot of regulations foreverything is there that time
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not?
Jose Flores (02:44):
When you mean I mean, I'm thinking about more
regulations as to elbows andknees and not many not much
padding or whatnot,
Gerson Schilipacke (02:52):
even protection. And we never had the
gloves in the time. Wait, what?
Yes, in that time we don't havegloves we don't have shin
guards. We barely had them thatsimple. Non dollar mouth
required galaxy to hand wrapjust to try to have some
cushioning to cut to mochi thatsaid my first few years it then
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I was a tutor box was was one ofthe most famous aggressive gym
in the world. So the first twoyears no one nobody fighting
outside of the count. So it wasthat way the more the fighters
like llmd underlay Silva startfighting in Japan say so then
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the coaches had the more chancethat they started bringing gear
back every trip so bring yousome gloves from shin guards
then from there it Jim had theequipment to share between
everybody but the head in maybe10 pairs of gloves 10 pairs of
shin guards so when coming thispacking time was okay guys
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gloves and shengguan soeverybody had to to run try get
whatever you can sometimes youwill come in with the gloves
sometimes or come withguangcheng Why is that there was
was we had it you doing the time
Jose Flores (04:17):
and knowing that you have no gloves? Was anyone
aware Okay, I'm gonna watch mycontrol or was it just
Gerson Schilipacke (04:24):
you just got on their box anyone that
research should have walked backin the day especially? No The
training was violent wasworldwide for the violent sell
for the training. So don't haveyour like you're gonna say don't
hate relations, even siderevelations on the gym like,
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okay, you're a fighter. That guyjust to sign up. Let's take he
is let's help him. Let'sintroduce him to the martial
arts in the time in Ohio. It wasbasically a clean out the few
commute they can beat you backtomorrow. You take your other
video back again maybe you are afighter because the gyms wasn't
their gym specially wasn't theenvironment they wanted a
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commercial environment they wasfocusing create fighters in not
create their normal crowd selfdefense here cutting way T and
you know it was like it was afighter if you're a fighter you
keep taking the tick coming backwe know you're a fighter then we
will not make you a fighter
Jose Flores (05:32):
so it was sort of like a trial period of that if
you
Gerson Schilipacke (05:37):
if you're you feel heavy and you stay if
not you're the one we can livein nevermore See you again.
Jose Flores (05:44):
How was your first How was your first experiences
at shooting? Yeah, how was yourfirst experiences for me
Gerson Schilipacke (05:54):
I can't say too much bad the beats on the
first demand Oh, like dog feelbut kinda ahead they like it
then guys on the mat they I knewheavy to those that when you go
with them they want to bestraighter and other a few guys
was nice if you guys already waslike beating now always ready to
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go. And so first of all to usfew normal beats but towards the
next at the end worst and worstbut then you start to get a
better tune there is anenvironment that is created then
you are down there you learn itthat way you fast forwarded away
so many new ones coming then youtake a bit from the older guy up
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to the newbie it's not a healthyenvironment but what's normal in
your genes 25 years ago oh yeahyou know they're in Brazil you
know it's a different country Iknow probably for a few
countries as children in thatway but from their evolving you
know like shooter walks rightnow there is completely
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professional gym like no otheryou know how to rule this
inside? Don't happens anymore.
Jose Flores (07:11):
It was your instructor during that time.
Who'd you Murphy There you go.
How was he like
Gerson Schilipacke (07:17):
he was a cool guy he's like yeah, he's
building out big name fightersfrom photobox orsinium here is
more like a monster calm downbut he is pushing guys to you
know get better and as afighters lead did pretty well
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the guys in training to kindamotivated the coming back give
you all you have you know it wasrough but you get the better in
other quotes we shoot about asobia gear had many coaches
every I can't name so many
Jose Flores (07:56):
but but you had I'm sorry What was his name again?
Just hold the market very good.
My friend Reagan was yourinstructor and was shooter
boxing and was it a fairly newschool or was it already around
was
Gerson Schilipacke (08:10):
around those boxes? I think they they start
in 19 8019 okay add to somethinglike that.
Jose Flores (08:19):
Okay, so you're 15 years you started when 15 years
later around the end maybe fiveYes.
Gerson Schilipacke (08:26):
Was a small gym or should the box have a big
explosion around the nine eightwhen start the heavy fight
international fighters want thevalue to explode digital box
explode because they was aheadof time they they had their
whole army ready to fight inthat time.
Jose Flores (08:47):
And I mean pride fighting like you said pride by
Ryan in Japan in Japan andalthough they they got it on the
map Yeah. As you said randomlysilver was randomly I think also
probably
Gerson Schilipacke (09:00):
late Pele Frankfurter box was an underlay
pillar llmd was the pillar underthe first is his really made it
the open the way for all theother fighters in them right
after bill that came you'veunderlay silverware he was the
the Mr. Pride he's dominate for10 years champion 10 years then
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open for many other fighters onthe private from the box Baba
who already was from otherstates.
Jose Flores (09:29):
Okay, got it. All right. All right. And well you
see now that the people comingup in the fighting Did you
yourself that you get that edgelike I want to fight?
Gerson Schilipacke (09:38):
I want the problem back in the day was
valid to don't have rulesbasically. Especially weight
classes. So the guys that was170 pounds, kinda working out to
go up to 185 205 pounds. He thenwas the average size for Be able
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to do deal with everybody. Youknow, the side headwater guys is
smaller like you Me and my fullgeneration the fighters like 125
pounds 25 pounds not likegetaway to like today so for us
basically the first two yearsdon't have any chance for MMA or
valid dude because you don'thave to wait to class you go if
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you want to fight you want tostep inside the ring against
that guy 200 210 pounds no gloveis down everything it goes
soccer kickers it's donkeysdon't have the rule is so small
guys don't have it there I wantto be the fighter was the sport
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was hobby was we want him to bea bear but she stepped in the
ring you don't have the chancethen later to start to have
weight class them had theirFriday What was the name Heather
the main pride that our thebigger guys have it is my one no
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no was the pride pride the onename that was the guys 170
pounds yeah well 55 pounds oh hethen the small guys who started
having more but today it'salready was probably 2003 four
or five for me I'm 47 right nowabout at that time already was
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getting on the oldest site wehad the more I had more Thai
fights because the more Thaisame The rule is was different
but the heavy weight classesalready in Brazil so I had the
chance to fight him there but inthat time in my time Brazil was
you fighting basically don'thave the amateur as a straight
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pro first fight to probe custommaterial don't exist in Brazil
back in that time I can so yougo there fighting a professional
fighter already for a T shirt ora T shirt or you know I teach
you that you get the T shirt anda mouthpiece yeah like now I
don't have to use my thighspainful it's not like you're
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doing fight back to home youwill promote a fight especially
in the time because you are itcan be good but the experience
is not there so it's a full fullblow off I you know you see
amateurs fighting right now yousee the pro you're gonna see the
paces JFIF DLL the amateurs goout crazy. You think you step as
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a pro already we did that kindof experience and like even like
you're really good you're neverfought in the first fight to go
straight pro man is a full blownoff item pro level is so over
and assignments in keeping thatdon't have future on that, you
know, just injuries and thenbezel Ray to coaching liability
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stacking. push away. And careerfighting career. Wasn't the
career basically.
Jose Flores (13:03):
I mean, I'm still shocked that you said you fought
a full blown head for a shirt ora mouth guard. That is insane,
insane,
Gerson Schilipacke (13:12):
insane. But, you know, like in your sport to
start somewhere? Yes, he thenstarted becoming more
professional or rule is moreunderstanding. You know what,
okay, about 25 to 2020 to 25days factor in 25 years ago,
basically, two years, threeyears later, start fighting. So
still 20 years ago.
Jose Flores (13:36):
You seen the world change? Okay? Yeah, you
Gerson Schilipacke (13:38):
see the mission of the sport Tilden
there okay, like I see here youknow, I'm moving here the
morning time today is waydifferent than 12 years ago and
I'm moving to the west so muchthat is not even the same sport.
Jose Flores (13:54):
So the data I mean, did injuries occur more often?
Of course they could occur moreoften and when you're doing
that, then the now Yeah, I meanjust because of the shin guards
the gloves the head here,
Gerson Schilipacke (14:07):
here I know a heavy fighters or any pro
fighter you can see that the toptwo gyms you're going to see the
guys heading here. shin guards,elbow pads, knee pads, you know
sometimes most times even chestdeprotection when these more
specifically training that youknow you're going to take some
blows up on the body like brokenribs in my time you don't have
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nothing there so I broke in readbecause I have a collection like
it was normal only they can usetheir heavy break and don't have
too much room chew to mistakes.
Oh, so
Jose Flores (14:43):
was it more like I got broken ribs like bragging
about it. Oh, I got broken ribs.
You know, it's like
Gerson Schilipacke (14:50):
Tim, Cook's like, in right now. We seen
Curtis in genius. Everybodyfreaking out like oh my god but
back in the day. It was Stanfordless so you won't get to cut the
small cut to go there Why arethey quote finishing around?
Finish around now go washVaseline the tape is not that
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bad back you finish your otherrounds you know was a vital man
because if they're heavy decidedto okay you're a fighter you're
going to stop a fight becauseyou've got a little cut no so
this is training for when you'reon the ring you'll get occurred
for us normal heavy a lot toobehind it but was a full
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environment to create fightersnot the commercial gym like you
right now is normal you need tohave a fighter you need to have
a commercial training tooleverybody is different
Jose Flores (15:43):
and I want to I want to touch base with you on
that however I want to backtracka little bit I think I heard you
came to the US later on in yourlife in your 30s so so what made
you come to the US what Ibasically
Gerson Schilipacke (16:00):
I was looking for a vacation or it's
changed a little bit you knowvacation stay out the visit my
friends here in San Diego and Ilike you know the site stay a
little bit longer site stay alittle bit longer than say you
know what, since they're gonnastay i'd love teaching then they
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start looking for places toteaching first and up find a
place in Huntington Beach toteaching so it could stay longer
in the site state indefinitely
Jose Flores (16:35):
oh wow that is awesome. So you talk to me how
was that how was your experienceover there
Gerson Schilipacke (16:41):
no hunting beaches really tough spot a spot
for a gym or for to be a teacherbecause it mostly off the top
trainers leaving their teachingtheir heavy gyms there you know
since a okay and 2006 when I'mmoving to the west started
teaching around half of 2006 soin 2007 is when I decided I want
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to be full time trainer andstart teaching on the Ghazi
Academy in Huntington Beach. Soin that time for shoot the boxer
was just me I was the onlyshooter boxer in California or
in the USA was doing this theysay you know what? You decide
stay so you're the official headcoach for the LLC started
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building a Basie and they'llfind that GM started teaching
building a solid base where theother fighters from photobox can
be there when they fight in theUFC you know like find the
fights for the fighters help theteam Yeti stable in the in the
West so I started doing that jobin back in there as well.
Jose Flores (17:53):
So you mean now that you got permission to teach
but should the bar should haveoften told you Okay, you're
gonna stay in California you'regoing to be the head coach on
the west and you were the onlyone that there was only one for
40 years that's pretty amazingyeah
Gerson Schilipacke (18:08):
the the guys Academy wasn't perfect jujitsu
gym so I brought to the point Iwe building a solid stronger
base and
Jose Flores (18:18):
I'm indebted to my talents from
Gerson Schilipacke (18:20):
he then later in 2008 2000 2008 to 2009
then with Rafael Cordero Kanewas the other domain coaches in
Brazil. That was the mainfunction in that time they
decided to move to the west so Ihelped them to get satellites
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into their secure I put a I gavehim a spot to his teaching the
girls Academy on the morning orfor the fighters he then when
the days in the splitted areamember Raphael we ended up you
find the other place I felt puttogether a gym then and but then
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here's the side the leftshoulder box and I decided stay
Yeah, you down. I'm moving Istarted looking for other place
where I found this place, LongBeach, same location in 2009. Me
and my wife and we open displaysand keep it going as shooter
walks and he is moving Europeand kings kings MMA.
Jose Flores (19:29):
So you're thinking some of his thinking and you you
open the box. And I mean correctme if I'm wrong but that's
that's around the time UltimateFighter one or whatever it was
growing. So you see any newstudents the rise of new
students as UFC started gettingbigger yourself. We
Gerson Schilipacke (19:54):
have a lot guys the coming training was
training other gyms so a lot ofthese guys down the beginning of
this UFC which made fighter oreven UFC came in did a couple
classes are well known can leaveyou but seeing one guy that came
the first day with you as yougrow all the way up I didn't
have the time it you see therebecause there was 2007 eight and
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nine and then moving on with seafighter lab we're gonna take
your five to 10 years to makethese I had no time to see
anyone grow their way there
Jose Flores (20:28):
wow okay and I mean we were we were talking to shoot
tip or we're talking about shootboxing and now your fight
solutions if you don't mind measking the reason though the
name of the champion the namechange
Gerson Schilipacke (20:45):
I stay as a head coach put it through a lot
fighters from Brazil from thebox fighting here is support to
the team all the way to 2018 soin 2018 we opened a second
location in had on the beach Oh,there was a bigger location here
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is 3000 square feet that is likesix 7000 square feet huge
location to be the main base fordouble Yes, but then things
change there and they start okayand now we need the give me more
money more money they seem togrow we feel like we can
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capitalize on that to what the Ifelt wasn't fair because they
never have helped me with theany money it was all my daughter
me and my wife. Yes 10 yearsworking shows getting that
level. So we had that agreementmore about the money than the
and the other thing you want tosay you know what? I already
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been doing this for so long. Ialready have many fighters. I
have fighters on the UFC. I hadfighters on the baileigh Thor I
have two fighters on the lionfight so all the main event is
in striking or MMA in the word Ihave fighters so I don't mean
the I produce not that they camein from the box American guys
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you know, they know what I'mgonna do my own thing this time
joking my own team then we kindof did the name and everything
we did. We were coincidentallywas tiny to remodeling this
location. Oh whopping 2009almost 10 years This was kinda
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we need the remodel so we was inDel Monte completely remodeling
this place it didn't say Youknow what? Let's switch the
color scheme with our callersand switch everything we did
coincidentally came together todo the demo so we did you know
hey gretz even like it I have alot friends that shoot the bots
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a lot more stuff for my friendswe train for before I move in
here from 95 to 2006 so now I'llevery single one I still friends
with nine 8% why respect to whatI learned from them but all
these years here I had to evolveso what I'm teaching right now
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is not too much though what Ilearned besides mental game
isn't me you know that the thephilosophy that I learned if
that is the top notch of thefront squats I keep adding more
stuff technical wise you evolvethe technique evolve so we
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moving forward but strongerrespect for what they I got from
devoxx is to my team I love totell my heart but the things
needed to change I meaneverything evolves eventually
involves and I mean good spotand I love the gym and how do
you come up with the name findsolutions you know like who was
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in the sport it you know no shoebox for being extremely
aggressive style it then Ideveloped the one mentality
fighting here mercy my fightershere they vote like I say their
sport evolve. I started teachinga little bit more these mighty
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thing behind the fight to be farbehind the technique. You need
to be smart you need to know howwhen Why was he any single
technique not just okay you'relearning jab straight dig and
kickers and let go they're gonnamarshy straightforward English
whatever I know and the guy isgonna win the fight now. You
have a timing. You have speedthe acceleration times you go in
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Thank you juggle out of movingforward the aggressive move
moving forward to beaggressively moving backwards,
moving angles, you know howdevelop the elders and the
fighters I came up with okay youHow is anyone inside the method
always have a problem to solveyour opponent is always one big
problem in your face that youneed to solve every single
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second that I move it differentit's a different problem is
bring it to you and I need tobring you the solution as a
coach so then can you okay youhave a problems and we need to
bring you the solutions fightsolution
Jose Flores (25:24):
that is awesome.
That's like that. That's great.
And I mean you're talking aboutthe philosophy and everything
what what's your philosophy inthe fight in the fighting war
fighters that you teach yourstudent Now firstly,
Gerson Schilipacke (25:39):
I'd like to keep the martial arts philosophy
on top I kicked me from shutterbox through the box was a gym
that was really struggling tohierarchy and discipline you
know in I came into the YRC Ifelt like he allotted MMA gyms
was already occasion fightersand firemen don't have the rules
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don't have him for that he hadour key don't have discipline
have a lot to like and strongerfighter I can be 10 one here so
I moving in I do whatever I wanteven like talking back to coach
or whatever you know, and Istrongly don't like that so when
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I decided we decided to openthis gym Okay, this is gonna be
the gym that I always drink evenin my tiny when what I miss it
in my time training I want totry put inside the gym he then
came stronger here at thezipline respect all my fighters
you can come in here anytimeyou're gonna see the guys kind
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of killing each other in somespots. But the Assam finish they
are our friends is always milesout one group you don't want to
see a little group the olderguys in training separated the
newbies in the other sidefeeling like knowledge in the
data now they go there they talkto everybody everybody's one
group and outside of the matyou're going to see smiles
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you're gonna see people walkingaround the friendly you know
welcoming to everybody and notlike a bunch of like mean muscle
guys. No, indicate we're goingto fight. We are the nicest team
without everybody was jokingeven with the other thing they
want to fight against years.
Between fighters is personnel inthat time. Oh, yeah. finish the
(27:27):
fight everybody's friend, youknow, you walking out to the
cage, you're already gonna seethe expression change. But there
is what do we do this inside theregion for years z then bringing
outside but basically ourphilosophy is follow the martial
arts, teaching, you know, berespectful, be having good
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discipline, you know, honor,loyalty out is it then you're
going to be a fighter? After youget out this?
Jose Flores (28:00):
I'm glad you touched base because I mean, I
come from a traditional martialarts background. However, I
noticed things were changing. Assoon as the UFC was coming up.
Yes, because everybody wanted tobe a fighter. So okay, it's
great. You want to be a fighter.
However, people went in therewith the wrong mindset. And I
mean, not to bash any coaches oranything but some coaches, okay,
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you just want to be a fighter,but they never taught him the
respect that's on it. I mean,discipline. Of course, that
doesn't limit the wholerespecting that's being like you
said that. Yeah, they. Yeah. Andfor me, that's one of the things
I mean, Everywhere I go, and Isee a coach, Randy, how you
doing, sir? And I always lastname basis. And I've gotten a
lot of people not call me by myfirst name. It's just the
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respect that is that's why andI'm glad you touch that base.
I'm glad I mean, I'm glad. Andyes, I mean, even when I came in
today to ask you for thepodcast, everyone was very, I
mean, you're setting you werevery welcoming. And I noticed I
was like wow, okay, this is, uh,you know, you know, traditional
martial arts but you had that,take that and I feel that vibe
of traditional martial arts. AndI like that and then thank you
(29:05):
so much. They appreciate that.
Yeah. And so I wanted to ask youhow many do you know do you
recall how many fights you haveprofessionally for yourself?
Around the dam something aroundit okay. And what was your
mindset before trainingthroughout those fights how you
keep your what what drove youmade what was your drive?
Gerson Schilipacke (29:29):
I kinda wants to try myself yes try your
training the level the time youdon't have your a training hard
is a basically fight every day.
You know, between our own peoplefight every day was was normal.
You coming to the gym? Manytimes you pray before go
jogging, wanna go? I want tolearn and want to fight Ellen's
(29:51):
gonna get the injury. So God ishelping me to back safe your
home and you go you do yourthing. Get this every day. So
you Basically fighting everysingle day multiple times with
different guys in different sizeyeah most time you take a bit
not only go there you're theredominate the guy now in my size
especially it was they alwayshad to push myself to try to
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revive you know and then comingnaturally okay let's try to
start because don't have toomuch events during that time so
when show up one opportunityEverybody wanna jumping in also
had a few opportunities but wasthe coach push a little bit say
you shouldn't be fighting afight you know you say okay
(30:37):
let's do it you know like thingslike that Yeah,
Jose Flores (30:42):
yeah cuz sometimes you just need that push because
sometimes us I mean yourself asa fighter you see us No, I'm not
ready I'm not ready all you needis that push like go ahead
you're already good just go showup, just show up. And that's
like so you've been here sinceyou said 2009 2000 676 and
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everything and so you've seen alot of students come in and out
how do you determine when torank up a student? What do you
look for?
Gerson Schilipacke (31:10):
We have or the Brazilian fit. Since I'm
from Brazil, then Brazil havethe Brazilian muy Thai
Federation they rules the moretime they're having the ranking
system they own Brazilian fewcountries of America follow the
same system and when I'm movinghere I decided to keep it the
(31:30):
same system even like the muyThai in the US is not true
stronger for ranking system. Alot of the top agents who eat
Thai coaches have his rankingsystems from ILO they say a lot
of people that is not to rank itbecause it here in the US you
don't have regulation so I see alot the kids the training for
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six months one year two yearsI'm a coach Okay, Coach so they
don't have any certificationthey don't have okay your coach
what you did I trained for twoyears Oh heavy fight no or one
amateur fight the culture Yeah,you can be a good coach but you
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don't have a certification sothese guys is talking badly
about it when he's here are halfof my time ranking system in the
West white title heavy rankingsystem don't exist but they
exist whose research is theGoogle is here for everybody?
Yeah, it's free research you'regoing to see the white tie
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Association here he FEMA gayinternational meitei associate
all this heavy ranking systemthese there is for everybody so
this coaches the batch my timeranking is bullshit it's just
for money lice because they haveall over the word USA we started
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getting stronger and stronger inwhite tight ranking system
exactly for me but rankingsystem we have here explane to
the guys it is you step in a gymyou don't know who is home
that's true now that is true butthen when you start to train and
then you see a little guy weakyou're stronger see now spying
(33:18):
is going to delete this littleguy a little bit then end up
with a little guy He's aprofessional fighter with
training since he nine years oldhe then he's gonna beat you
because you try beating him upbut when you put the ranking
system we explain look lookingmy ranking system we have the
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band and the iron so look in thearmy the people you see the
color you kind of know what thewho's who is who inside them so
it didn't help me as a coachbecause right now back in the
day I was the only coach rightmargin. Now I am the head coach
but they have three or fourother instructors inside the gym
(33:59):
our students mine to keep it thetechnique beer and clean and not
bring in five air quotes fromoutside needs to be sung on the
learning everything under itthen they have their own
classes. He then I don't knowhow many students they're doing
six Amy I don't know how youknow students they do classes
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that is not the mind the I knowthem but I don't know how is the
technique so I know the rankingsystem they are they're kind of
seeing the ranking know whereeach one should be in technique.
He then we keep the thing isgoing in the same level
Jose Flores (34:35):
then that's great.
Oh man, I like that. I mean youjust looking at the ranking
system when so for yourself inorder for them to become a coach
or to become a black belt. Whatdo you look for what do you
require in them? But we have
Gerson Schilipacke (34:53):
few belts like in your rack system you
started as white belt? Yes, theyare the first the belt to get is
a white With a little piece ofred then you get a full red
band. Then ready band De Niro PClight blue then you get light
blue. This first ability you'regonna take two to three years to
(35:15):
get when you get the light blueis why am I starting to give you
some instruction how to be aninstructor before there you
learn the technique is to learnthe technical side the day the
philosophy of the gym, themartial arts, everything. They
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are the blue light blue, goingto come in pointed dark blue in
dark blue, between the lightblue and dark blue you're gonna
take in more two to three yearsDSP do they already teaching you
how to be a teacher or coach thedark blue you are going to start
giving you classes to teachinside the gym where do you
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under my supervision I see howyou develop the student not just
teaching the technique unitydeveloping them technically they
grow so that our people hepointed black and black is the
next two belts. So between thethree belts don't have a tiny
range. I needed to see yourtechnique evolve I needed to see
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your inside and outside the gymhow you carry yourself you know
because I can have a guy insidethe gym acting goodie on the
back outside a bad person. So Ineed to help you to find your
way in life to because you'regoing to have presented my name
in my gym later if you have alocation in UEC right now you
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know a lot the big gyms heavyaffiliate affiliated the gym
that the coach did somethingwrong, they put a bed in anyhow
they did remove affiliations youknow, so I tried to avoid that.
So I really pick with the who'sgoing to Hey presenters outside
my gym. So this is the trainingwe do for everybody. So I have a
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few black couple had blackbelts, because I'm really
straight with the belt. Sinceeven like a teaching here for 12
years. I have two black belts onWow, only two Yuan just got a
black belt to the last amount.
Yeah, and also in all theseyears I just produce true black
belt. Yeah, my heavy damn guyswaiting for one to three years
(37:30):
already they I still beenhelping them to see okay, now
you're ready, then you're gonnaget it then you're gonna have
full support after the actual ifyou want to walk in our
location, we will you know, butuntil they show the technical
level we need and the person thepersonality, everything that is
(37:51):
right, it should lead the otherkids because not just the runs a
gym, it's not just the money,you are going to help the
parents to develop kids. RightRight now we had two kids three
years old 34567 if you are notresponsible, you're going to
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help the parents to create araising a bunch of problems.
That is correct. So my reallyfocusing who's teaching who's
teaching kids because you arethe lead? You're their heroes,
basically, I think kids fiveyears old, they look into the
fighters I have and the coachesare like that is my male Hamada
(38:35):
was my is my hero. So what didthey do? They get they probably
want to do if they want to dostuff. If the code you're
showing bed is failed there,especially back in the day don't
have social media. Now likeokay, that code back in the day
you're close to Jimmy go out.
Unknown (38:59):
Right now it's social media man's Good to see you what
you do every time.
Gerson Schilipacke (39:03):
So if you started posting the bad stuff
down there, they think there isthe right way to do and they
can't let it happen. No, I can'tthey have a responsibility with
the community we built.
Jose Flores (39:15):
Yeah, no, that's, that's great stuff you're
teaching there because I mean, Iknow where you're coming from. I
myself have students on mysocial media, but all they see
on my social medias, familypictures or pictures of
Disneyland because I love thisthing. And I know what you mean,
I'm a role model because theydon't look up to you. They only
look up to you and and yeah, I Ifeel that responsibility that I
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want to be a good role model. Idon't know about yourself, but I
do feel that responsibility of Iwant to be a good role model for
these kids. So I I don't party.
I never party. I mean, I did butit wasn't my scene. But for me,
you catch me just eitherDisneyland or you catch me
Either watching UFC fights orjust hanging out with friends
(40:02):
playing games. That's an yeah,that's all I do. I mean, or a
little bit of jujitsu here andthere but I love it. I love that
and everything.
Gerson Schilipacke (40:16):
But I know a lot of these younger guys need a
living we've been I've beenthere before you know, but be
responsible is not theeverything you do outside the
day you need the braggy for thislittle kid is saying, you know,
okay, you wanna go you wannaparty? Go party? Private, yes,
do your freedom keep posting youputting out blank stuff you do
(40:43):
that for you maybe is nice. Butfor the little kids, they don't
need to see that they electedthey decide what they gonna do
when they can becoming teenagersand adults. Like today decide to
be lead the dental on the rightway. The parents leading even
more, you don't know, but it'stheir decision without setting
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in their head since young agefighter was doing this in their
day. I want to keep you out,keep it private to do you're
living your life. But privately,if your instructor if you are a
higher level fighter, you know,needed them the right way help
you they want to see good stuffin not a false impression that
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that is the way to go.
Jose Flores (41:27):
Yeah, I mean, if a student came up to me and said,
you know, Mr. Gerson I want tobe I want to be an instructor or
a coach. Then when you have thetalk, Okay, you know what,
there's certain things that youknow, just not inside the gym
but outside of the gym when I
Gerson Schilipacke (41:45):
when they come in around the day, they
that time the light blue. Okay,coach, I want to be instructor
What do you mean? I said, Isaid, and I said, The rule is we
have because we have rules to bea coach. He The only is how you
carry yourself in how you carryyourself out, when you're a
black belt, okay, coach, I wannahave a gym, we have the rules
(42:07):
for that job. Because, like Isay, I came from a box. So the
box in my town, only heavy,probably 4000 students in many
locations, but they think itgrow so much it towards some
years there, everyone should,like you hear, they'll have one
shoe box on the on the highstreet, then the other box on
(42:29):
the head on the street, if youwant to the box on the second
district. So everybody fightingfor the same crowd. It then we
have a bunch of guys that arebasically working to pay their
bills and are growing the goalis I love martial arts. I love
to lead the oldest kids, I loveto have fighters but this is
(42:53):
what put the food in my tablethis everybody want to grow in
life, you want to have thehouse, you want to have the nice
car, or you want to you know,help more people, whatever is
your goal coming from your gym,this is your job. This is not
your hobby, you can enjoy as ahobby, what to make the morning
(43:13):
joyful. But in the end of theday, this is what pays my bills.
So I don't want to produce abunch of guys under me, they're
gonna open a gym two blocks fromme. So we have rules, you know,
normal rule is basically isblending in, it's spread, you
know, you close this door,you're driving your car in the
(43:34):
night time it 20 minutesanywhere you want. If you don't
have your other coach from usalready there, you pick the
location, the location wasyours. And we're gonna make sure
the next guy the coming, goingto pick a location 20 minutes
anywhere from your location. Soyou're going to spread the
coordinates in not in the befighting each other. You know,
(43:56):
so we have those rules, truebusiness rules. Yeah, their
development is spread. We havey'all there too. So I explained
to them all this upfront, butthen the heavy guys did not even
teaching inside my gym and startgoing out to my gym. Okay, so
(44:18):
get out of here not gonna behere. He then they often mostly
fail. Yeah. Because in the endof the day, what do they do
this? Like I say the Google ishere. Google is free. And I
highly recommend Google yourcoach, Google the coach. I want
to sign up near the gym, Googlethe coach go to his background
(44:42):
where his came from how longhe's in training what his
history you know why because yousee a lot the guys the training
six months and under coach. Hethen you Google, you're gonna
find out that the culture ofthat guy is five to 10 minutes
from there. Cool. You're gonnatrain with the distributor the
training one year no nobasically nothing or the culture
(45:06):
there have it 20 3040 years intraining you know like I'm not
experienced a lot that know howto best forward Google the coach
you're gonna see spot a lot fakeKildare you know a lot to fake
out there who's training forlike your coach for a long time
on the court we kind of knowalready not as the guy deserved
(45:29):
or not but put your time you'regonna like we say that you're
going to be leading people youhave a responsibility you need
to develop even if you don'twant to lead this person on
level you need the lead the as acoach that the person that
paying money for you wanting tolearn you get the batter
developing and whatever areathey want they want to lose your
(45:50):
weight self defense fighting youneed to be able to develop them
in the supply What are theypaying for? And I get training
123 years not gonna be he'sgonna teach him the punch is
gonna teach him the key keys ona teaching the footwork he is on
a teaching a takedown aregrappling but he is don't know
(46:12):
how develop it that you getfaster and stronger or more
transitions more combinations.
They're gonna teach you thebasic the basic water coming
behind it to develop it theirperson they don't have either on
this one I see a lot I see a lothere in my gym. People are I
signed a year contracting thisex jam. And it was always the
same thing I don't learn I stuckyour train latency the guy's a
(46:37):
trainee one year with you. Ishowed this guy train one year
this guy six months. He theguy's Well, it's better than the
I'm alreadyhere. If they're waiting finish
that year contract, they signthe other job. He didn't come
here. He then told him I saidMan, I losing time. I haven't
guys have one guy. I'll saynames but he's training for
(46:59):
around. He's like 48 years old.
49 years old training for 30years his best by most local
genes between LA and HuntingtonBeach. And experience he was
trained in one gym that was inArizona where it is the biggest
(47:20):
muy Thai tournament and the lasttwo years is in Phoenix Arizona.
So he was in 2018 in his underfighting and broke his ankle
that broke his leg and then he'sa COVID He's coming back start
training with me he's kind ofdoing privatdozent group class
(47:40):
and he's like boom bellyunbelievable the amount of years
I pass learning nothing beingbasically scamming you know and
he is ended up bringing a lot ofpeople because i doing this for
so long and a lot there thetraining out there around you
(48:03):
know like so coming to the gym,you know because the coaches
don't have experience you canteach in nicer stuff but the way
you teach my sister for one yearhe then you don't know how
developed they are my sister guystuck the personal and you can
beat them Yes, he's gonna belike that, you know he don't
wanna grow he's not gonna getthe more of so that is the
(48:27):
geofence so my recommendationGoogle go for sure you can see
good quotes you can see badquotes even with the experience
Yeah, no, but if you do yourresearch you're going to save
your money the study in one gymthe first year when you don't
know anything to learn is goodthe more you're learning more
this type to open your mind sayoh, I don't think this is right
(48:49):
or I think I stuck and need themyou know so if your research
already want to jump in thefirst year is stuck in LA low
level experienced head coach healready go for something only
going to develop here
Jose Flores (49:03):
that is oh man you just blew my mind that is true
that I mean you need what tolearn after the basics because
you don't want to be stuck withbasics. I mean basics are good.
However, I
Gerson Schilipacke (49:17):
have a class here twice a week there is no
spine just my tie fundamentalsin my pro fighters do the class
the professionals doing thatless consistently the amateurs
everybody do it. Why? Becausethere is the class that I don't
have training for 2528 years. Istill learning they are they you
(49:40):
know I never stop learning. Istill learning all the time, am
I still pressing? The jabdistrait the low key because if
you don't press your techniqueyou get to worst. If you
practice your technique gettingbetter even if you did esky for
30 years. You Ice chill, makingbetter in chill, forcing myself
(50:05):
to whatever faster and stronger,you know angles everything, I
still doing the same agendastraight low key key as a
beginner over and over and neverstop. So you need to do that in
any one train six months here orin any gym basically you learn
(50:26):
in most of the moves, six monthsone year, even like if there's a
gym, they handle that do a lotspins and you learn in most of
the technique and the sixthjourneyer after that is how
you're going to develop thetechnique coming in that they
are going to be Kiki stronger orKiki faster. Now you have the
(50:50):
angles when you're going to losedecades not every kikuna working
every time you need to knowwhere throw the kick when you
know inside IV nation can do jabstraight kick or you can go jab
geeky, demonstrate why becauseif the guy did the zombie movies
there is opening for you. So howdoes understanding for me to
(51:12):
give me basically 10 years tostart understanding those
things, you know, like it openedmy mind to like, Oh my God, why
nobody told me this. Becausethey ever caught you. In the pit
learning everything for someoneor few people in them have their
own understanding of thetechnique. Then from there, even
(51:34):
like you learned the sametechnique then 1000 people in
the gym, you are different. Yes.
Now you're a little differentthe way you teach and the way
you explain that people onthere, you're already going to
be different than the studentsfrom your best friend. They are
learning everything with you foryears you know, teaching other
gym your understanding iseverything
Jose Flores (51:58):
that that is true and I like how you how you put
it that way. I mean it's all howare you going to evolve and
that's what's wonderful aboutmartial arts it's always
evolving as always nervous Yeah,coach
Gerson Schilipacke (52:10):
you there.
Close the doors, close theireyes, whatever I learned is
whatever I teach nothing change.
That's it stuck is going to beall the news in one two years.
Yeah, you need to keep your eyesopen. I'm going to events I go
into tournaments. I seen otherfighters I seen other gyms I
(52:32):
seen things they might fightersdoing good there I see my
fighters missing from their eyebuilding. I really know I
changed thing because a pistolis a constantly evolution Yeah,
at constant will never stop.
Jose Flores (52:46):
And is that what you encourage your students to
do? Even amateur fights areperfect because that's how I
mean that's how I interpretthings. That's how I mean aside
from the sparring, that's howyou also learn you're like
yourself to evolve from thefighting. The thing is,
Gerson Schilipacke (53:02):
I have a lot of guys no levels, you know some
days here like Tuesday Thursdaysthat is the main classes I have
that I personally teach so mostguys come into the gym to train
with me you're going to see dayslike have plenty guys have a day
say 30 guys and his display iscrowded founded 30 guys if you
(53:25):
show up 30 guys today to anygonna be guys with five to 10
years in training other mealready. Wow. So this guy is
with a bunch of amateur fights.
Fellow fighters out there trainspecifically lay underneath.
They train everyday, theysparring multiple times a week.
So even like they are good. Theystart to know each other. Yeah,
(53:49):
now I know I'm going spy herewith the this guy. I know what
he's doing good and bad regardthen I go into the next I know
what so they inside the yearsthey know each other so even
like both feels really good.
don't have that surprise elementtoo much here on the RDS. So
(54:11):
this is when we go to fight. Ihave genes there for many
students there. I left it fromhoney Don't they have their own
genomes in Holland into CostaMesa you're vying San Diego you
know like I say even like okayyou didn't not tell the process
to be a black belt representedMy name having my name and my
(54:34):
you know, you open our gym ordoing good far away from me with
Joe cooperating workout sistergyms. They bring their guys just
fine with me. I can give you mypoint of view to them. I bring
you my guys just backing me downso they can have it there.
Surprise effect. Now they'regoing to fight them. They're
(54:59):
just when you see what's workingwhat's not what you need to
change it from there is theexperiences that grow not just a
really inspiring between thembecause yet too much too much
too much same stuff you knowthey even like you one is way
better the other start to kindof pick the pace they know I
(55:22):
normally do this combinationit's normally heavy there's a
stronger side of the order hisleft his right his was more kids
it was more points it was moreclinch takedowns if it's MMA
training you know he's got theGrappler we're gonna force you
to take it down so when you goto these other places there we
cooperating you don't know whyeverybody there and then is when
the surprise effect me hit thatis when we fix the things when
(55:44):
you back home
Jose Flores (55:44):
wow that was like that and that's great that used
to cooperate with a lot of gymsbecause not that many gyms do
that.
Gerson Schilipacke (55:51):
No, I avoid it because it does seem quitted
like we talk about La La all theway from LA all the way to San
Diego mostly fight mostly jeansfighting same events. So a lot
of gyms working with thecrosstraining like yeah, I'm
white I'm really everybody nomice no muy Thai only but the
(56:14):
striking yes teaching so I havea lot of fighters they call me
an email coach I'm gonna throwin striking with you but they're
gonna train you're wrestlingthis other gym we're gonna train
Jiu Jitsu and the other gym youknow it then they're those gyms
is the gyms that normally gonnafight and we fighting against
(56:34):
the advances so not too muchoptions. We fight the NSA. I
don't like to have someone fromthe gym, peeking what they want
from us eat them back at theirbest to their guys then fight my
guy that is loyal to me. 100%The guy didn't really Jiu Jitsu
with me. And with us here Iwould like to be able to jujitsu
(56:55):
more into the teaching for us.
Even like I teach in grappling.
But for the MMA. So I have thejujitsu coach. I have the meitei
the MMA the strengthconditioning online guy says we
all do so the guy that iscompletely loyal to us. kV ow
wanted us if they only want totrain one guy they may be gonna
(57:17):
fight against him my guy or likefriend of him that he's gonna
give you all the tips on thisguy is gonna fight I know him
but he's fine with it. He's goodit is better than that. So to
avoid that I don't take guysfrom other gyms if it is look I
have guys from San Diego comingyou know I have guys that coming
from other states or their seatis there normally is not in the
(57:40):
same range of events refight Ihave I owe on teaching them with
sci fi there is the community Iwant to say we do Okay, let's do
it down is the differentenvironment is different the
level of competition than I havebut if it's a local fighter the
training our local gym that Ihave in St. Louis even like for
(58:05):
business only straight as abusiness I show the heavy
everybody you know, trying toget the price but I asking for
loyalty for my guys. Yeah. And Ineed to give you my loyalty to
them is traded that need to beright on the balance if you want
go off is not working for myside or for their side so I
(58:30):
asked him the loyalty I give himmy loyalty. It is the way we've
been doing it so far. I have noregrets.
Jose Flores (58:36):
I like that. That's awesome. And you went back to
UFC fighters I you know I waswatching an interview with
Michael Bisping he he mentionedyour name and how did that
meeting go about how do you guysget together talk about
basically
Gerson Schilipacke (58:49):
VSP his met one older fighter mine that is
what I did not even traininganymore. He met the despite
professional head in Vegasnightclub fighter. He was famous
in the great fighter twoprofessional eye training Long
Beach in Huntington Beach beingwas in England but the moving
(59:12):
through us saying the past andmoving the DA maybe you can spot
him sometime you don't knowOkay, they tray the fonts. The
past few months been called himsaying on fight camp and he the
sparring partners. Are you up tomy guy conversate coach what it
is I go there, do your thing. MyGoDaddy did a good pay us like a
(59:35):
couple weeks they all had to doout there and that's the other
sparring session like I go thereand did you go there? You didn't
say then they go Who's yourcoach? There is Jeremy
introducing me to him. He thenthey call me maybe one week
later because he was in camp tofight I think Jason Miller on
alternate fighter the coaches onthe Ultimate Fighter. Don't
(59:58):
Okay, then I go there. I saw hisday spa he without my guy he and
the other two guys Then theyasked me what do you think sir I
should do tweaks I said now myhair too pointy and now what
they actually do a littledifferent special on the
spanking my guy because my guynormally do this see man nice
then past few time maybe bearthe fight us won the fight he
(01:00:24):
then he's came here then he'scame here training here on sir
twice he then after that hismanager call me yeah and then we
set up putting contract andlifestyle then I was official
code for him when we did it likefive years fight camps that he
then when I open the gym andhead on to everyone's kinda we
(01:00:45):
spread hadn't started have notime because it fighted in there
level consuming a lot of time.
It was three classes thatprivates are weak in three
Spartans in different time. SoMonday, Wednesday, Friday, I had
to go to Mr. Because he's livingfar away then with the size of
their training or their rockergym in Costa Mesa was a middle
(01:01:10):
ground ground so I drive 20minutes is writing blogging it's
good for everybody. All otherquotes to agree multiple quotes
are there muy Thai nama me youknow wrestling other coach, so
it was easy for us was a dejimabase. So I had to go on the
(01:01:31):
morning, then I back then I haveto go on the evening. Then back
to Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
Really then travel to when wefight locally. With on the fight
week. We train normally in thegym, we got to wait till Friday,
on Thursday night Friday toSaturday you fight for the UFC
(01:01:53):
is different with see fighterschecking on the choosing. We had
to fight in Australia, they haveto adapt, we had to be there
1012 days before so all the timeyou're not in my gym near now.
So there was what's the fee tokeep you going because I see my
own fighters equals you don'thave time towards anymore. The
(01:02:16):
same time you have your orderwith the fighters while the
billeter fighters so wasbasically one week you hear two
out when we hear tuality downwhen I start feeling that um, I
don't know for how long it couldbe then I'll open a second
location that consumes a lot oftime then there was the the end
of the tinium train for the
Jose Flores (01:02:38):
well being a nice experience. You had to come back
to your students and one is alearning
Gerson Schilipacke (01:02:44):
process and like I say all the time you
because even like I was trainingthis being a top level fighter,
wasn't it? I always joke with myfive guys like a coach that guy
train with the guy see who's theguys train is on their card. You
guys are used to training withme because we are always
(01:03:05):
everyday together but the man Itraining wasn't the man to FFC.
Thank you How many coaches inour surrounding 20 miles the
coaching there was on the way FCminivan through divider. You can
pick it two or three. He knowswe joking about it there but he
was experiencing a lifetimeexperience. I learned I seen how
(01:03:29):
the boxing coach there was a toplevel boxing coach teaching him
I see how the jujitsuinteractivity him I see the
wrestling, I seen the strengthconditioning, they see me so
they pick things from my side,they pick things from their side
from there with, like I say,with joy for over here. So that
was a good experience for me.
Because I learned a lot insidethat period of five years
(01:03:54):
training.
Jose Flores (01:03:56):
Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, like we were
talking about martial artsevolving in that are you
involved? It's just andsometimes I mean, as as, as
coaches instructors, you can seethings differently than any
other person can do even alittle golden nugget that you
see you're like, Oh, okay. Allright. And then you could apply
that in because it becomesgreat. Yeah. So that's great.
(01:04:22):
Oh, well, sir. You know what Iknow you got things to do. I
know you're busy. But before wego, anything you would like to
say to your students or anythingand you would like to say I
mean, first of all, I always
Gerson Schilipacke (01:04:37):
have to thank you God for everything.
Basically, I follow his lead.
Now if me here today is becausehe's leading here and I try to
pass this forward. No, everybodyhave your own religion or
beliefs, but I'm not forcingthat in to any of my guys or
anyone around but you go in mysocial media, you're always
gonna see my first hashtag isup. Ready to go. And I believe
(01:04:59):
in that 100% so I won't takethings for you first and then
thank you to my wife because sheis with me since day one I moved
here a few months later we metshe was one fighter in mind we
ended up getting married is toall this time developing
(01:05:21):
everything together. So thankyou for the patience be a wife
of a coach is not a easy job. Wehave to do a lot a lot that
tension for the GM for thebusiness for fighting easy
sometimes in the house issomething missing. So it's hard
to balance in the patients youhave a wife or a girlfriend or a
(01:05:43):
coach or a father is veryimportant you should be really
patient so thank you and to myguys thank you for being here to
believing or trust in my job theway I trusting their job and
keep training keep pushing youknow like that is a hard you
work it you do. There's a hardcareer be a fighter. So make
(01:06:05):
sure they stay stay sharp stayfocus the priority needed be
impact when you lose yourpriorities you lose your career
and everybody around in mystudents the regular students
busy 89% of my gym is normalpeople it's people that know not
never gonna fight because theydon't want not that they could
(01:06:27):
not technical wise the body typeconditioning they could be
fighter but not their thing.
They like the hobby they like itthey lose weight, keep it away
too low or self defense. Keeptraining never stopped because
everything you need be sharp allthe time. It's crazy all their
(01:06:48):
self defense especially. Youneed to be in training. keep
staying trying to stay safe,because you never know where
you're going to need.
Jose Flores (01:06:59):
The army guys if you're looking for more Thai
place to train fight solutionson Seventh Street Seventh
Street. Yeah, yeah, it's a greatplace. So again, thank you so
much for your time. I appreciateit. Everyone out there. State
something we're tuning in. Byebye bye.
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