September 25, 2019 • 55 mins
Whinny Tales is a brand new podcast that will introduce listeners to a whole new type of equine awareness and education. Based on the work of Bruce Anderson, a native of Trinidad and Tobago, Nature's View is a system of self-discovery with horses as a metaphor for your partner, your employer, your family, your friends...just about any other person or situation. Each podcast episode will feature an aspect of Natural Humanship, as well as interviews with other horse professionals, EQUUS Filmmakers or authors, members of The Marley Project, and many other "pony tales." Bruce Anderson has spent a lifetime creating a system that can be used for self-improvement, corporate or management training, law enforcement training or even a horse/human foundation. Podcast host, Julianne Neal, is a 33 year Educational Administrator in the Arts and has worked with Bruce to develop Nature's View Programming for 20 years.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to Whinny Tales.
I'm your host, Julianne Neal,and we're here with Bruce
Anderson and friends with all ofour favorite horse stories, pony
legends and unicorn yarns.
Tune in each week to hear fromBruce with Nature's View
training tips as well asconversations with some of our
favorite horse lovers.
(00:29):
Remember, The Joy's In the Ride!Good morning! And morning to
you, Baby.
Well, it's so funny because thisis going to be the first episode
of our podcast, Whinny Tales.
And so of course we had to startit off by explaining some things
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and, letting our viewers know, or actually our audience, some of
them will v iew and some of themwould be just listening, but to
let them know what it is that wedo and why in the world we
thought we should have apodcast.
Anyway, so I say again, goodmorning.
I'm speaking with Bruce Andersonwho is the founder of Nature's
View and Natural Humanship.
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And Bruce, w e're sitting, youcan hear the birds in the
background, the chickens peckingaround outside.
We're sitting on the back porch.
Why is it that you start yourmornings here on the back porch
every day?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I guess the long and the short of the story is
because this is my peacefulplace.
And from here what's cool is theview.
I looked back into what I callthe little meadow, which was
like a little hollow.
And when I looked through thescreen, the first thing that
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comes into play is a little pondthat we've built and how this is
trickling water.
And then behind that I have thishanging bench from this big old
Oak tree that has a lot ofstories to tell about our
journey.
And on that bench I havedifferent things hanging it,
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which also tells stories.
And then to the left of it, wehave this makeshift bird feeder
out of Gatorade bottle and it'skinda cool to watch the birds in
the morning eating there.
And then the chickens allcongregate around here.
You hear the crows going on,you're listening out for the
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hawk that likes to attack mychickens.
Um, you can see the horses downin the fields of times.
Looking up, waiting to see whenyou're coming to feed them.
So there's just bunch of naturerunning around here.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Okay.
I wanted to talk a little bitabout the podcast and so to
introduce some things, we'regoing to be speaking with people
that we meet along the way andpeople who have been a part of
the Nature's View journey andalso some with, with the folks
that we meet through the EQUUSFilm Festival or through other
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work that we do.
And so I think it's going to bean exciting time and I'm excited
because the cover of our podcastfeatures a specific horse named
Winnie.
So tell me, tell me, um, who isWinnie and why is he important
to you?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
tSo, the short end of the story or where the story in
my head starts is where itended.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You're listening to Whinny Tales.
This episode of Whinny Tales OnThe Porch is brought you by
Roslyn Moore and Clear Day Spa.
Thanks for your support.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I'm not originally from here and I guess I'm an
immigrant, not intentionally bythe way.
Um, a legal one now.
Um, anyway, so I was working onthis farm and I met their
stallion which was just anincredible horse, not just
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physically, but mentally.
And I met his offspring and Iborrowed a thoroughbred mare and
bred to this Dutch warmbloodstallion.
And not that it matters that hewas Dutch warmblood or not, but
it just happened to be and, um,had this mare and for many years
she traveled with us.
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Um, a lot of people helped mewith her along the way in her
development, et cetera, along onthe story is, Winnie is a second
foal from this mare and I alwayssaw her as the foundation male
and, um, he was very special tous and, um, and one day I felt
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the need on Julianne's birthdayto gift it to her, which is what
we did.
So Winston is actually thesecond foal from Rochelle.
So yeah, he is sort of thecontinuation.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I thought it was cool to include him on there because
he's part of the journey for,for both of us.
And um, he has his own journeyto now his brother Marley is the
namesake.
I guess you'd call it the, theface of our nonprofit, which is
called the Marley project.
And I, when we met you and Iback awhile back 20 years ago,
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um, you were just about breedingRochelle.
And so we had, um, someconversations about that and the
neighbor down the street had areally nice Arabian stallion.
And so I remember that wholeprocess of going through Marley
being born and, and him as alittle baby and we couldn't
think of a name.
And so, you know, we had thatconversation about, I always say
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he's named after the Marleyhorses at the Louvre in France,
but I think you're, you'resticking to the Bob Marley side
of it.
So, which is good cause, um,that means he's, he's got a
little bit of both of us inthere, but it was really, um, a,
a nice, uh, journey for us tostart the nonprofit and to be
able to do some pretty specialthings as we, um, as we got that
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going.
So Marley is Winnie's brotherand um, I'm excited that I've
been able to take Winnie and domy dressage stuff with him and
he's just a great horse.
And so I thought it was neat toinclude him in on, on the cover
of the podcast.
So you've been talking aboutnature and how it affects you in
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the mornings as you come out foryour cup of coffee and getting
back in touch with yourself.
And I guess that was whyNature's View continued from
just being, I always hear youtalk about the story of finding,
finding the beginnings ofdeveloping the system as you
were searching for yourself andhappened to meet Anne Shirley
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who's a friend of ours and shewanted her horses started I
guess.
And you kind of put thattogether.
So can you tell a little bitabout that?
What, how that started, whathappened, what you decided to do
from there?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well to me the catalyst from all of that was my
passing and my mum.
Um, now when I look back, it'snot her passing, but the
pressure of that I guess justsent me off on this tangent.
Um, spun my life out of controland um, you just wanted to run
away into the bush.
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We've done that was it, but itwasn't an ending either, you
know, not the passing, no.
That moment it was actually abeginning.
Um, and I left the job that Ihad.
I vow not to work for anybodyagain.
Be csreful what you ask for.
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My story was that I was going tohelp horses survive in the world
that we have created as opposedto the world we created for:
People's world, Nature's world.
And um, it's funny how at thatpoint obviously I had a dog on a
horse to look after, um, thatwould be Rollie and Rochelle, so
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had to have some income.
Um, so the long and the short ofit is I freelancing and horse
wise and I would do whatever ittook.
And a friend of mine had lent mea book, um, by this particular
author, which in reading thebook the round pen came into
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play.
So one thing led to another andI started working with these
five horses that we now callstarting horses because it's an
ongoing process.
Um, it, it's always happening.
Um, and the word breaking justsounds like a contradiction to
what your goal is.
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Kind of like surviving andperfection.
Perfection to me is acontradiction to survival.
Um, because if you're perfect,there's no more room for growth.
So off I went on this journeyand what I realized was in
trying to help horses notrealize what's his and her
problem, I was a problem.
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And then I realized, well, itwasn't me, but my conditioning,
which then allowed hope to cometo life truly.
Because now I realize this, ifthis person that I am is not
really me, and the things thatI'm doing is not really, you
know, a fault of mine in a sensebecause who I am, but more
because of what had been throughand the conditioning done to me,
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I realized that I'd beenconditioned to be this way,
which isn't beneficial tosurvival.
Um, and I thought if this wasdone to me, has it been done to
anybody else?
And what I realize it has been,and when I started this journey
for the first four years, it wasjust about working with horses,
not people.
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That's the last thing I wantedto work with.
Um, and as I went down this roadfor the first four years, I
couldn't put into words what Iwas experiencing.
Um, it was more of a feeling.
So it was like X, what I, Iterminology now as it's like you
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mining for something and youdon't know quite what you're
mining for, but you are mining,you know, digging into finding
out more about what it is youexperiencing.
What was interesting after thefirst four years, finally, the
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nature's view system came tolife.
I didn't come up with that name.
That name evolved through thework.
It wasn't Bruce Anderson'straining program.
It was Nature's View becausethis is what I found through the
horse.
I realize that the horse ishelping me find what I call the
spirit of my spirit, the me.
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Um, now it's a process.
And what you have to go do, dois basically go back down the
tunnel that you came up andthrough the horse he's helping
you recalibrate your musclememory, you know, and sort of I
guess recondition you, um, orhelp you find the true you to
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allow you to be, you know, thesteward that you're meant to be.
Um, an a number of differentthings were going on at the same
time.
So very early on in this workthat started to come to an
understanding of that.
And then when I finished or whenI got to a point cause it never
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ends and the horse I side of it.
Um, and it finally I finallyunderstood it and I felt that
the cycle had been completed tothat point anyway, I suddenly
realized.
We still are helping me to helpmyself, to help others to help
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themselves, um, meaning thehorses.
But if it weren't for horses,what I realized that the horse
was helping me.
So therefore I realized now Ihad to show the best way to help
the horses to show how the horsecan help other people.
And I don't say humans because Idon't feel that we are as humane
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as we could be.
Um, get back in touch with theirhumanity.
So for many years traveling downthis road, as things were
evolving, you know, people wouldgive it different titles.
They would say it's naturalhorsemanship.
And that felt, no, I don'treally feel it's natural
horsemanship because yes, in asense I'm training horses, but I
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don't feel that I'm reallytraining horses and I'm working
with people.
I'm not really training people.
Then they call the gentling andso on and so forth until not too
long ago when I said not toolong ago, you get to this point
in life that not long ago islike five years ago, you know,
six years ago.
Um, the word that evolved was,um, Natural Humanship, and I'm
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not trading horses, but intraining horses, the byproduct
is you are being trained in asense and not trained, but being
allowed the opportunity to getback in touch with your
humanity, get back in touch withyourself, the youth, and in
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helping the horse before you canhelp the horse to the extent
that you need to help the horseto survive in the world we
created, you first have to getback in touch with yourself.
So we're finally putting in thecart, you know, where belongs
behind the horse, not in frontof the horse.
So to me, what I found was thatin this work, you're not
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training, but you're giving themthe three pieces that were
missing consciously.
We have them in us and on.
So on one hand you've given themthe three pieces.
You're not training somebody andthen giving them these three
pieces at the same time.
You're also helping them throughthe help of the horse to
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recalibrate that muscle memory.
So there are two things going onwhen you do this work.
One, consciously understandingthe three pieces and to
literally with the help of thehorse started to recalibrate the
muscle memory that has beenaltered to allow you to find
that balance.
And in so doing the horse ishelping us to help ourselves get
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back in touch, not justphysically, mentally,
spiritually, um, but alsoaltering our philosophy, which
normally is what we do on thisplanet pretty much.
To survive, to be successful, weneed to take something that is
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less, careful with the word less, and use it to enrich yourself.
And that has been ourphilosophy.
And because of this philosophy,the byproduct of this I feel is
for lack of better word, it hasinfluenced our environment,
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physical environment in not apositive way.
And it was interesting becauseyesterday I saw all these young
people protesting in New Yorkcity.
About the physical environmentand that we need to do something
to change.
Once again, what I'm seeingbecause of the knowledge from
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the work is that we're puttingthe cart before the horse.
Again, they are saying that weneed to do something about
changing what we're doing to theenvironment, which is fantastic,
but guess what
Speaker 4 (17:05):
[inaudible]
Speaker 2 (17:06):
it's not just the physical environment around us
that has been affected by thismindset that I call tyrant.
It's a capital T at thebeginning cup of tea at the end
is not the word in thedictionary and what it is that's
been altered besides thephysical environment are people.
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We are just as affected as theenvironment is, but we don't
realize it because you can'tnecessarily see it, but it's
still affecting us.
So to me, until we becomeconsciously aware of these three
things, it is fantastic
Speaker 3 (17:50):
that they're doing what they're doing.
But until you recalibrateyourself with the help of the
horse, all those good intentionsaren't going to be met to the
extent that they need to meet,especially how quickly this
environment is being affectedphysically until we recalibrate
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and fix all the cells.
You won't be able to more thanlikely, and I hope I'm wrong,
make the changes that you needto to start the change of the
physical environment.
And what's interesting is whenyou try to share that with
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people because of what was doneto us, it blocks them from
getting it because all they hearyou saying is that they're
making a mistake.
And it's sort of fascinating forme is how do you get this word
out?
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You know, which is notfascinating, but actually
literally frustrating becausewhen I tried to share this on a
smaller scale to those who saythat want to make a difference
in life or in whatever careerthey choose, it's amazing how
when you try to share this withthem, it's like they shut you
down.
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And for me it just becomes sofrustrating.
It's like, why do I keep doingthis?
If the people in power don'tcare, why do I care?
So
Speaker 1 (19:31):
back in, I would say back about 10 years ago or even
further back than that, westarted approaching people and
you had some conversations withthe police department here in
Camden and I think that was thebeginning of um, finding ways of
sharing it specifically whereyou had groups come out.
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And at that time there was not alot of talk in the equine world
about um, horses being used forother things than just riding or
whatever.
There wasn't like, now when I,when I see things out in the
horse world, there's a lot oftalk of corporate training and
working with veterans with PTSDand all that.
But back when we were beginningthis, you were, this was, you
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were cutting edge and there wasnot a lot out there with horses
being used.
So you had some conversationswith our local police chief Joe
Floyd, and I'm, from what Iremember, he kinda thought he
would tell you, yeah, yeah,let's do it.
And then, um, we didn't reallyhave anything going on with it,
but then one day he finallysaid, all right, I'm going to
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send some of my officers out tosee what it is you do.
So what happened at that pointwhen the officers came, how did
that go and how did thingsdevelop after that?
With our local police department,
Speaker 2 (20:58):
um, first of all, hats off to chief Floyd for him
to climb onto this wagon and saythat he's going to do it.
That was big.
Um, but then again, that showsthe character of this person and
how much he cares, literallycares about his people.
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And so yes, we, we startedworking with him and you,
Julianne created a curriculumwith their help or listening to
through what they were lookingfor.
And we were able to tailor acurriculum for them and it work.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I just remember that she, Floyd called you into his
office after the officers cameout and he said, I want to know
what kind of mind altering drugsyou have injected my captains
with, because all they can talkabout is that everybody in the
department needs to come andwork with you with these horses.
And so even, you know, that'sbeen 10 years ago, even 10 years
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later when you walk into thepolice department here, there's
an officer that will come uprandom people and say, Hey, I
want to come work with thehorses because they've heard
this tale for so long.
So I think that was the catalystin my mind.
That was the catalyst havingchief Floyd support.
And as you said, he went up andpresented in front of the
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officers in Columbia for, fortheir meetings.
And um, this was about the timeof current hurricane Katrina
actually, because Alan Trapp wasthe training officer at the time
that we worked with to developthe curriculum.
And he, he reached out to peoplethat were suffering from traumas
following the hurricane andbasically said, you know, this
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work helps with PTSD, this workhelpful would help with your
training officers as they workon, you know, our lesson plans
were based on anger managementand communication and body
language and for, for what wecall it in our horse work, its
pressure but the police call itdegree of compliance.
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And so, you know, we were ableto translate the pressure side
of it into the language thatwould mean something to officers
as they were doing theirrecertification and, and that
sort of thing.
So, um, I just thought it wasreally special that the chief
understood it and valued it somuch that, you know, he, he
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continues to support us to thisday.
And so that, you know, over timefrom working with the police and
working with, um, Greenvilletechnical college, there was a
professor, Barry Shreve that youworked with to have some
workshops for his students onthe horse work.
And so they would learn lessonsin the classroom and then come
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and
Speaker 2 (23:46):
have a workshop day with you.
And put it into practice.
Connie Brown, you just been ableto work with a variety, which is
funny that you bring up ConnieBrown because I spoke to her the
other day and she's in a way toEgypt if I'm not mistaken to
give a presentation, butapparently the organization that
she's a member of or one of theorganizations that she's a
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member of what they're talkingabout and what I do is what
they're talking about.
And she suggested that they needto talk to us.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
[inaudible]
Speaker 2 (24:22):
you're listening to Winnie tails.
Thank you for your support
Speaker 1 (24:32):
work with somebody like Connie and um, it's, it's a
thing where you know, they'redoing classroom work on whatever
the topic is and then they comeout and work with you.
How in the past, how has thatbeen a positive?
How does that translate intohelping them?
Why would somebody want to comeout and add this piece to what
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they're doing?
So
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Kalani Brown, that's just a cool name.
It just flows.
And when I think of Connie Brownto understand Connie Brown for
me, yo, you have to understandwhere we started from with her.
The way that we got together wasbecause of this horse that she
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rescued.
And the long, and the short ofit is it goes back to nine 11.
She was, was he nine o'clock,nine 11 victim.
Um, and through this work itdoes help to break out of that.
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What she learned from that wasthat what the work talks about,
how we're not reaching our fullpotential.
So the reason why she brings usin is that these people that
she's working with, it's notwhat they're doing, but the
pressure created by what they'redoing.
Um, they're not reaching theirfull potential and no motto how
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much knowledge she infuses intothem, they still won't be able
to put that knowledge into work,into play because of our
conditioning.
And what she realized because ofher own experience in the work,
um, that this work will helpthem break down those barriers.
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So therefore these people ofhers that she works with, um,
because it's about doing thebest job she can do.
Um, by sharing this piece withthem, I don't teach anything,
but to me this piece is a keypiece that's missing in society.
I don't, this doesn't train you.
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It's almost like the pill thatyou take that allows a knowledge
to come in without this pill.
You acquire knowledge.
You can accomplish the task thatyou're doing, but you're not
going to reach the fullpotentials and get to your full
potential.
So it's not about getting to thefull potential of your ability
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in that particular environment,but through that environment,
reaching the full potential ofwho you are meant to be.
Therefore allowing you to be theperson that you are meant to be,
that unique person.
So it allows you the freedom tobreak out of the mood to be
valued.
Um, and Connie realizes this.
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So by bringing us in, she'susing these techniques to help
people to become stronger withinthemselves so they can now take
these tools that she sharingwith them to reach their full
potential in this particularfield.
Um, so market trading, that waswhat I couldn't think of.
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Correct.
Which is funny because everytime I think of Connie Brown, I
think of when she took us to NewYork city and I never knew that
your palms can sweat.
So because here we go into thisbuilding in New York city
because my environment, first ofall, first and foremost, I
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started this to get away frompeople, my environment, my
church, Micah thedral is aroundPenn.
I mean, and my, the only thingthat I communicate with was, is
with that one horse.
So now I'm going to New Yorkcity, which is like all this
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pressure.
And then you go into thisbuilding that belongs to, what's
the guy's name?
Bloomberg.
Bloomberg, which, who is this?
Bloomberg?
All I know is like this famousperson, whatever,
multimillionaire.
So the pressure wasn't so muchthat the pressure was here.
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I have been given this gift andgiven thank you rooster.
Given this task to share thisinformation with, with the world
in my head, good, bad orindifferent sometimes.
A lot of times I think, okay,I'm losing it big time and now
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I'm on this stage in thisparticular building.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
[inaudible] one of the greatest cities in the
United States fall us for theworld and now I finally have the
stage to share this informationwith.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So don't mess it up.
So like I'm freaking out andshe's going to give a talk on
market trading.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Maka traded.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And so you're in this building and you have to go
through all this security andyou're now in the room with all
these people sitting downwatching you.
Not only that, but it's beenlive stream, live streamed.
And I'm sitting there listeningto Connie give a talk and I
don't even know what the hellshe's talking about,
Speaker 5 (30:16):
all the numbers
Speaker 3 (30:17):
and yada, yada yada.
And then it was my turn to go onstage and do my presentation.
So here I am not wearing myshort pants.
I'm really out of things fall asfour cause I have to wear these
long pants or look neat and tidyand whatever.
Not to say I don't look neat andtidy when I worked with my
horses, but it's certainly notthe same outfit.
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And I'm an Island boy.
You know, it's like we arecustom, uh, you know, flip flops
if not barefoot and your shortpants and your tee shirt.
So now I'm in this suit and Iwalk up there with a briefcase,
it's like briefcase.
And then I popped the briefcaseopen and output, I pull the
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Lariat and then I do my littledemonstration and blah, blah,
blah, blah.
And it was kind of interesting.
Um, so yeah, that was, that waspretty wild occasion.
Um, and so I've watched
Speaker 1 (31:14):
you in, in these workshops scenarios where
they've worked on all morning onknowing when to buy or when to
sell or what they should reactto or whatever.
And so it's, I just think it's agreat thing to be able to come
out and practice that.
And with Connie or with otherpeople that you work with in
this capacity?
I've heard them say, Oh, it'llstop you in the middle of
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something in the round pen andsay, okay, what you're doing
right there, that's what you didthis morning and you wouldn't
sell or you know, you're notreacting this way or whatever.
So it becomes a great tool forsomebody who wants to get points
across, who wants their peopleto be able to practice something
or whatever.
Um, and we've been doing somethings with another, uh, core
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corporate training expert, aguru, I guess you'd say with
Lynn Carn and creative spiritsunleashed.
How did you meet Lynn and howdid all that start?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Before I go there, I want to stay in New York.
Okay, sure.
And, and you know, I was talkingabout how this is my journey and
I was talking about when I wentto the offices, how was having a
hard time because I felt that Ineeded to not mess this up
because this is I, this journeythat I was on, you know, I'm on
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that.
I'm sharing with others.
This is my personal journey isnot a job for me.
Um, but one of the things thathappened in this journey was for
a lack of better word, wefinally gave birth in a sense to
the work and the way that thathappened because as this thing
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grew inside of me, and the wordsstarted forming and the picture
started forming and the workstarted happening.
And so therefore you had all ofthis visual starting to happen
verbal.
Um, and not only that, but mygrowth, it finally got to the
stage where I realized that Ineeded to get it out.
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And not just by working withpeople, but get it down on tape.
Visual tape.
Um, not just audio.
I never sort of funny how wecame across this guy from
Trinidad where I'm from orshould I say Trinidad Tobago.
Um, with James O'Connor and withJuliana[inaudible].
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Um, we created our littledocumentary called the edge.
Well, again, with Julian's help,the edge was now going to be,
the trailer was now going to beshown at the Equis film
festival.
Thank you very much.
Lisa Doosan and Diana Darosa.
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Um, so the first year we went toNew York city to the Equus film
festival, it was pretty wildbecause finally I felt that I
found a medium that could startsharing this message.
So here we are in New York cityat the Equus film festival, and
(34:24):
I'm sitting down too in one ofthe five or six cinemas, um,
that are showing all these filmsfrom all over the world to watch
our trailer in New York city.
And I get into the cinema andthere are five people.
All of a sudden thatconditioning done to me, kicks
in, which isn't beneficial to mywellbeing.
(34:47):
And I start realizing or feelingthat I'm failing, that, Hey,
you're given this gift.
You finally put it down on filmor starting to, and there's
nobody there to watch it.
So you feel this terrible senseof failure.
And this is what's so cool aboutthis work.
(35:11):
So the pressure created by allof this starts causing what I
call, I guess for lack of betterwith the muscle memory, your
conditioning to perceive thatyou're feeling.
And, um, all of a sudden becauseof the work, it kicks in and
stops you and you stoppedrecalibrating and you said,
(35:34):
okay, here's person from thisthird world country that came up
with this concept from nothing,put it on film.
He's now in one of the greatestcities in the world.
How can you possibly say thatyou are failing when look what
(35:56):
you have accomplished?
So in the past, none of thatwould've happened.
I would have just seen myself asonce again, I'm no good.
But because of the power of thework, which has altered my
(36:16):
muscle memory, my conditioning,my subconscious that in the past
would've pulled me undo.
Because to me, we have now beenconditioned to feel, and it's
not about the failure, but infeeling we don't get these
kicks, one of them possibly evenan endorphin kick.
(36:36):
Um, that lets your body knowthat you're okay.
So then we go out and buysomething or self-medicate or
all.
So we can keep on movingforward.
Um, in this case, this workhelps you to find a natural way
of doing that and not bedependent on things that we
(36:57):
produce, I.
E taking something that is lessus and using them to enrich
themselves and you fill in theblank.
Um, very quickly I started torealize that's an old story and
the reality is look what youhave accomplished.
(37:20):
So I just want to throw thatstory in since we were in New
York city.
Well and to continue that partof the story.
I mean since then, that was in2015 in November of 2015.
The funny thing is, I mean whenwe started the talk of the film
and then this Julianne reallystarted finally and I'm grateful
(37:43):
for being part of this journey.
Um, well we just decided thatthe job at that, because if it
wasn't for her, that part of thejourney wouldn't happen.
So I'll shut up now and she cansee shit.
But it's important for that ACthat because we build, you won't
say that and people need to knowthat.
If it wasn't for you, this workwouldn't come to life.
(38:04):
To the public, to the extentthat it is coming to life, to
the public.
Oh, thank you.
Because trust me, I for manyreasons wouldn't have the
ability to do this.
Um, so go ahead.
See what you want me to do.
I was just gonna say we, the wayit all started was kind of, um,
(38:25):
synchronicity, I think was theword we were using at the time
because one day I was justthinking we gotta do something
to get the word out to peoplewho are outside of our little
Speaker 1 (38:36):
circle of friends and local Camden, South Carolina.
What can we do?
Let's create a little video forour website.
And so at that time there wassomething going around on
Facebook that was film footageof George Bovell who was a
famous Trinny swimmer and verywell known and popular and all
(38:56):
that.
And he had been doing sometraining swimming out in the
wilderness, um, in Trinidad.
And they captured footage of himsaving a baby deer from out from
under a waterfall or somethingto drowning.
And he's coming up out of thewater and this, this beautiful
visual with the water droplets.
(39:18):
And I had never heard of 4k orany of that at the time.
And so I just knew and you knew,well, it's a type of filming,
but I just knew that that wasthe visual, that was something
that was very appealing to watchand that we wanted something of
that quality, you know, work.
If we were going to do a video,let's do it.
(39:39):
Right.
And so within a day, I think youhad contacted the filmmaker,
James O'Connor of the artiststory telling and had this
conversation with him on thephone.
And um, it just, we hit it offwith James and with Dylan canal,
who was also with him and, andMiranda, his wife.
And so it just became a reallygreat partnership in creating
(40:01):
this documentary.
And I feel that it really, youknow, from us go into Trinidad
and then them coming up hereseveral times back and forth,
they were able to capture thework and to talk to people who
had experienced it and they justdid a beautiful job.
But even in those early days,James said, you know, what do
you want to do with this film?
(40:21):
And, um, I had heard of theEquus film festival.
I didn't know anything about itin reality, but I just said
we're going to take it to theEquus film festival in New York
city.
And so when Lisa Dierssen waskind enough to accept us, I
mean, this was last minute, um,the festival was in November and
I think we got her the film atthe end of October.
(40:42):
And she just said, yeah, we'llshow it.
You know, it's too late for itto be in the competition part of
it, but you send us the trailerwill show the trailer for you.
And so that was just thebeginning of a fabulous
relationship with Lisa and thewhole festival.
And, and since then, you know,that first time we had five
people in the theater in NewYork.
But since then, through thisfestival, we've been able to
(41:05):
show the film and to promoteyour work all over the world,
literally.
And so it was just the beginningof something that's been a
wonderful relationship.
So from demonstrations at the LAequestrian center and you know,
back up in headwaters whereJames lives now and just all
over the place has been.
It's been a great relationship.
So I did want to go back totalking about Lynn carne and the
(41:32):
work that you're doing with herand her people.
Um, is that something that youcould talk about for a minute?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah.
Cause you a minute or two orthree.
What would you like to knowabout Lynn con?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
So she approached you , um, through contacts that we
have in North Carolina and shewas interested in the work and
she came out with her daughterand um, I, I got the impression
from conversations with herlater that she was sold on the
work the first day, but herdaughter, not so much.
(42:10):
I think it was pretty emotionalfor her, but they came around
and um, had some breakthroughs.
So just tell me a little bitabout what happened with all of
that and what they're doing now.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Lyndon Carn, Lynn carne came with her daughter.
So it's sort of interesting whenyou have somebody come and look
at the work.
Because you got to do two thingsat one time besides everything
else you all on one hand, you,you have to look at them as, and
I don't particularly care forthe word client and I guess a
(42:46):
word will come up at some point,but you have to look at them
from that perspective.
But also you have to look at assomebody that you're going to be
working with.
So you want them to experienceit on one hand as through the
eyes of a client because oftheir client.
But you also, from aprofessional standpoint how this
(43:08):
is going to work for them.
You also have to translate it tothat.
So it's a little bit of ajuggling act when it comes to
doing that amongst other things.
And the actually came twice.
Um, you know, one of the firstthings that I have them do is go
put a Holt on the horse.
And the thing about this work isnot about getting the picture
(43:29):
done, but within getting thepicture done.
The keyword there is in, indoing the picture, we capture
moments and therefore withinthose moments, by capturing
them, we capture the moment andthen fall.
They're able to see what they'redoing in that moment and at that
moment, because of theterminologies that we use,
(43:49):
tyrant or alpha and tyrantssimply means you're
overreacting.
Underreacting you're not doingwhat the picture calls for.
So anyway, Lynn comes out with adaughter and we're going through
this process and she seessomething in this and my belief
(44:11):
is what she sees as this, shedoes a really great job with the
people helping to empower thesepeople and giving them these
tools to do their job moreefficiently, effective, et
cetera, et cetera, et.
(44:33):
The only problem is when itcomes time to putting these
skills to work, the pressurecreated.
See, we don't get, a lot ofpeople don't see that concept.
They think that it's this personwhen they did, here is a
problem, but it's not thisperson or that situation.
But the pressure created by,because of that pressure, it's
(44:55):
us reminding you of pastpressures and because you aren't
consciously aware about yourmental tools, for example, which
is one of the three pieces thatare missing, you are then not
able to respond to the pressureof that moment and therefore
you're conditioning yoursubconscious, yo, whatever you
want to call it, your musclememory takes over.
(45:18):
And because of the conditioningdone to us very early in our
childhood, which has set us upto fail, you then can't put the
tools that we will given to helpyou succeed into practice.
Because a mechanism that allowsthat to happen has been, what's
(45:38):
the big word, not altered butcompromised because of our early
conditioning.
And until you recalibrate thatand balance that alteration out
to where the natural settingwhich was provided for you by
(46:05):
nature, that man domesticationhas altered until we
recalibrate, that you're notgoing to reach the full
potential of who you are meantto be far less to, uh, the
ability to accomplish what it isyou are trying to accomplish at
(46:25):
that particular moment.
Because you are not in thatmoment.
Even though physically you arein that moment, you are actually
emotionally in the past becauseof the pressure of that moment
which you don't really realize.
So with that said, I believethat that's what Lynn
(46:51):
encountered but that's also whatthe daughter encountered, which
possibly caused the daughter tomove away from this.
But I feel that now she has moreembraced at the, not all those,
she has not returned yet butthat's a whole different story.
(47:14):
So because of this encounterthat they both had, Lynn has now
not only come back personally todo the work, which is as far as
I'm concerned, that says a lotabout the human being or this
particular individual, but she'sbought a number of her plants
(47:39):
who have a number of peopleworking under them to come
encounter to encounter thiswork.
That's kind of where we areright now in the journey with
Lynn, which has now allowed Lynnthe ability to what this work
does, which is take one to awhole new level.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (48:05):
You are listening to Whinny Tales.
We thank you for your support.
Julian is messing on a computer.
I don't know what that noisewas, but um, I don't if that's
like a hint, but share thisexperience real life by sharing
(48:29):
this work with people that havehorses, you know, give riding
lessons, et cetera, et cetera,to where you create the
satellite farms that people havestudied the work, train the
trainer, and therefore nowpeople can go to these different
places and experience this work.
And one of the locations that Ifeel is a great location because
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of how it's viewed by the restof the world.
Funny enough is The Bahamas.
And I feel that now is a greattime to do it because of what's
happening.
And one of the great reasons isif we keep doing what we're
doing with the global warming,et cetera, et cetera, The
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Bahamas is one going to be oneof the first landmasses that are
going to be engulfed by thewater.
So instead of working onchanging what's happening to the
environment, we first have tochange ourselves.
And here's a great location todo that because in coming to do
(49:38):
this work, not only do youencounter the work, but then you
go out into the nature of TheBahamas and put it into
practice.
Um, so you're totally submergedinto that nature, into nature
and therefore, which is why wecall it natural human ship.
(49:59):
And through, by submergingyourself into that nature, you
become more humane and reallyget a good plug in.
And so when you go off towherever it is in the world you
live, you then start buildingupon that.
It's going to have like, like Isaid, exploring and, and mining
(50:20):
this and what I'm doing isprocessing it, but there are
gonna be people who are gonna beeven better at processing this
to explain it to people evenbetter than I could, which is
fantastic, you know?
Um, because the bottom line isthis, the winner of all of this
(50:44):
is not me, but what I first setout to do, which was to help the
horse survive in the where we'vecreated.
Because this could not help ahuman to the extent that you can
get the help if you do notinvolve the horse, not any other
(51:05):
animal but the horse fornumerous reasons.
And in so doing by doing thisvirtual reality, it all will
come back to the horse andpeople are going to realize that
horses are actually moreimportant now for human wellness
if not survival for only threereasons.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
And I think we'll leave with that question for
today because that's a wholenother episode waiting to
happen.
So Bruce, thank you so much fortalking this morning.
I think it's been very specialto have be surrounded by nature
as we have this first episode ofthe podcast.
(51:50):
So before
Speaker 3 (51:51):
I go, I started off with sharing the porch with you
and it's going to be cool thatwe're starting this podcast,
that the first one is here onthis porch.
So right now what's happening asthe sun comes up and we are
facing East and we are lookingat are the screen porch.
(52:11):
Um, the chickens are allmingling around as I'm sure you
heard through it.
But then down in the hollowwhere the horses are, I could
now start seeing the horsescoming down and grazing as
they're coming down.
So it's kind of cool to see thelight hitting them.
And I could see Winston on oneside, a Marley on our little
(52:32):
rescue horse Mack, and they'reall sort of making their way
down as a breeze so it canapprove to feel the cool air.
I look at my thermometer and itsays that is about 65 70
degrees, which is fantasticbecause it's the beginning of
(52:53):
fall and it's just a really niceday.
Um, so thank you very much, uh,Julianne for putting this
together, allowing me theopportunity to share my journey
with horses and thank you forsharing your all's always so
willing to do that.
(53:13):
So special.
So here's the saying for the dayfrom squeaky wagon steam, wicked
chickens laid devil eggs.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
I think we'll close with that.
Thanks Bruce.
Thanks him.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
You're listening to Whinny Tales, the official
podcast of Nature's View and TheMarley Project brought to you by
JA Media Productions.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
[inaudible].
Welcome to Whinny Tales.
I'm your host, Julianne Neal,and we're here with Bruce
Anderson and friends with all ofour favorite horse stories, pony
legends and unicorn yarns.
Tune in each week to hear fromBruce with Nature's View
training tips as well asconversations with some of our
favorite horse lovers.
(00:29):
Remember, The Joy's In the Ride!Good morning! And morning to
you, Baby.
Well, it's so funny because thisis going to be the first episode
of our podcast, Whinny Tales.
And so of course we had to startit off by explaining some things
(00:50):
and, letting our viewers know, or actually our audience, some of
them will v iew and some of themwould be just listening, but to
let them know what it is that wedo and why in the world we
thought we should have apodcast.
Anyway, so I say again, goodmorning.
I'm speaking with Bruce Andersonwho is the founder of Nature's
View and Natural Humanship.
(01:13):
And Bruce, w e're sitting, youcan hear the birds in the
background, the chickens peckingaround outside.
We're sitting on the back porch.
Why is it that you start yourmornings here on the back porch
every day?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I guess the long and the short of the story is
because this is my peacefulplace.
And from here what's cool is theview.
I looked back into what I callthe little meadow, which was
like a little hollow.
And when I looked through thescreen, the first thing that
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comes into play is a little pondthat we've built and how this is
trickling water.
And then behind that I have thishanging bench from this big old
Oak tree that has a lot ofstories to tell about our
journey.
And on that bench I havedifferent things hanging it,
(02:09):
which also tells stories.
And then to the left of it, wehave this makeshift bird feeder
out of Gatorade bottle and it'skinda cool to watch the birds in
the morning eating there.
And then the chickens allcongregate around here.
You hear the crows going on,you're listening out for the
(02:32):
hawk that likes to attack mychickens.
Um, you can see the horses downin the fields of times.
Looking up, waiting to see whenyou're coming to feed them.
So there's just bunch of naturerunning around here.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Okay.
I wanted to talk a little bitabout the podcast and so to
introduce some things, we'regoing to be speaking with people
that we meet along the way andpeople who have been a part of
the Nature's View journey andalso some with, with the folks
that we meet through the EQUUSFilm Festival or through other
(03:12):
work that we do.
And so I think it's going to bean exciting time and I'm excited
because the cover of our podcastfeatures a specific horse named
Winnie.
So tell me, tell me, um, who isWinnie and why is he important
to you?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
tSo, the short end of the story or where the story in
my head starts is where itended.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You're listening to Whinny Tales.
This episode of Whinny Tales OnThe Porch is brought you by
Roslyn Moore and Clear Day Spa.
Thanks for your support.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I'm not originally from here and I guess I'm an
immigrant, not intentionally bythe way.
Um, a legal one now.
Um, anyway, so I was working onthis farm and I met their
stallion which was just anincredible horse, not just
(04:25):
physically, but mentally.
And I met his offspring and Iborrowed a thoroughbred mare and
bred to this Dutch warmbloodstallion.
And not that it matters that hewas Dutch warmblood or not, but
it just happened to be and, um,had this mare and for many years
she traveled with us.
(04:46):
Um, a lot of people helped mewith her along the way in her
development, et cetera, along onthe story is, Winnie is a second
foal from this mare and I alwayssaw her as the foundation male
and, um, he was very special tous and, um, and one day I felt
(05:10):
the need on Julianne's birthdayto gift it to her, which is what
we did.
So Winston is actually thesecond foal from Rochelle.
So yeah, he is sort of thecontinuation.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I thought it was cool to include him on there because
he's part of the journey for,for both of us.
And um, he has his own journeyto now his brother Marley is the
namesake.
I guess you'd call it the, theface of our nonprofit, which is
called the Marley project.
And I, when we met you and Iback awhile back 20 years ago,
(05:55):
um, you were just about breedingRochelle.
And so we had, um, someconversations about that and the
neighbor down the street had areally nice Arabian stallion.
And so I remember that wholeprocess of going through Marley
being born and, and him as alittle baby and we couldn't
think of a name.
And so, you know, we had thatconversation about, I always say
(06:18):
he's named after the Marleyhorses at the Louvre in France,
but I think you're, you'resticking to the Bob Marley side
of it.
So, which is good cause, um,that means he's, he's got a
little bit of both of us inthere, but it was really, um, a,
a nice, uh, journey for us tostart the nonprofit and to be
able to do some pretty specialthings as we, um, as we got that
(06:42):
going.
So Marley is Winnie's brotherand um, I'm excited that I've
been able to take Winnie and domy dressage stuff with him and
he's just a great horse.
And so I thought it was neat toinclude him in on, on the cover
of the podcast.
So you've been talking aboutnature and how it affects you in
(07:05):
the mornings as you come out foryour cup of coffee and getting
back in touch with yourself.
And I guess that was whyNature's View continued from
just being, I always hear youtalk about the story of finding,
finding the beginnings ofdeveloping the system as you
were searching for yourself andhappened to meet Anne Shirley
(07:27):
who's a friend of ours and shewanted her horses started I
guess.
And you kind of put thattogether.
So can you tell a little bitabout that?
What, how that started, whathappened, what you decided to do
from there?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well to me the catalyst from all of that was my
passing and my mum.
Um, now when I look back, it'snot her passing, but the
pressure of that I guess justsent me off on this tangent.
Um, spun my life out of controland um, you just wanted to run
away into the bush.
(08:01):
We've done that was it, but itwasn't an ending either, you
know, not the passing, no.
That moment it was actually abeginning.
Um, and I left the job that Ihad.
I vow not to work for anybodyagain.
Be csreful what you ask for.
(08:26):
My story was that I was going tohelp horses survive in the world
that we have created as opposedto the world we created for:
People's world, Nature's world.
And um, it's funny how at thatpoint obviously I had a dog on a
horse to look after, um, thatwould be Rollie and Rochelle, so
(08:51):
had to have some income.
Um, so the long and the short ofit is I freelancing and horse
wise and I would do whatever ittook.
And a friend of mine had lent mea book, um, by this particular
author, which in reading thebook the round pen came into
(09:12):
play.
So one thing led to another andI started working with these
five horses that we now callstarting horses because it's an
ongoing process.
Um, it, it's always happening.
Um, and the word breaking justsounds like a contradiction to
what your goal is.
(09:32):
Kind of like surviving andperfection.
Perfection to me is acontradiction to survival.
Um, because if you're perfect,there's no more room for growth.
So off I went on this journeyand what I realized was in
trying to help horses notrealize what's his and her
problem, I was a problem.
(09:53):
And then I realized, well, itwasn't me, but my conditioning,
which then allowed hope to cometo life truly.
Because now I realize this, ifthis person that I am is not
really me, and the things thatI'm doing is not really, you
know, a fault of mine in a sensebecause who I am, but more
because of what had been throughand the conditioning done to me,
(10:17):
I realized that I'd beenconditioned to be this way,
which isn't beneficial tosurvival.
Um, and I thought if this wasdone to me, has it been done to
anybody else?
And what I realize it has been,and when I started this journey
for the first four years, it wasjust about working with horses,
not people.
(10:37):
That's the last thing I wantedto work with.
Um, and as I went down this roadfor the first four years, I
couldn't put into words what Iwas experiencing.
Um, it was more of a feeling.
So it was like X, what I, Iterminology now as it's like you
(11:00):
mining for something and youdon't know quite what you're
mining for, but you are mining,you know, digging into finding
out more about what it is youexperiencing.
What was interesting after thefirst four years, finally, the
(11:20):
nature's view system came tolife.
I didn't come up with that name.
That name evolved through thework.
It wasn't Bruce Anderson'straining program.
It was Nature's View becausethis is what I found through the
horse.
I realize that the horse ishelping me find what I call the
spirit of my spirit, the me.
(11:42):
Um, now it's a process.
And what you have to go do, dois basically go back down the
tunnel that you came up andthrough the horse he's helping
you recalibrate your musclememory, you know, and sort of I
guess recondition you, um, orhelp you find the true you to
(12:09):
allow you to be, you know, thesteward that you're meant to be.
Um, an a number of differentthings were going on at the same
time.
So very early on in this workthat started to come to an
understanding of that.
And then when I finished or whenI got to a point cause it never
(12:31):
ends and the horse I side of it.
Um, and it finally I finallyunderstood it and I felt that
the cycle had been completed tothat point anyway, I suddenly
realized.
We still are helping me to helpmyself, to help others to help
(12:55):
themselves, um, meaning thehorses.
But if it weren't for horses,what I realized that the horse
was helping me.
So therefore I realized now Ihad to show the best way to help
the horses to show how the horsecan help other people.
And I don't say humans because Idon't feel that we are as humane
(13:17):
as we could be.
Um, get back in touch with theirhumanity.
So for many years traveling downthis road, as things were
evolving, you know, people wouldgive it different titles.
They would say it's naturalhorsemanship.
And that felt, no, I don'treally feel it's natural
horsemanship because yes, in asense I'm training horses, but I
(13:41):
don't feel that I'm reallytraining horses and I'm working
with people.
I'm not really training people.
Then they call the gentling andso on and so forth until not too
long ago when I said not toolong ago, you get to this point
in life that not long ago islike five years ago, you know,
six years ago.
Um, the word that evolved was,um, Natural Humanship, and I'm
(14:07):
not trading horses, but intraining horses, the byproduct
is you are being trained in asense and not trained, but being
allowed the opportunity to getback in touch with your
humanity, get back in touch withyourself, the youth, and in
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helping the horse before you canhelp the horse to the extent
that you need to help the horseto survive in the world we
created, you first have to getback in touch with yourself.
So we're finally putting in thecart, you know, where belongs
behind the horse, not in frontof the horse.
So to me, what I found was thatin this work, you're not
(14:50):
training, but you're giving themthe three pieces that were
missing consciously.
We have them in us and on.
So on one hand you've given themthe three pieces.
You're not training somebody andthen giving them these three
pieces at the same time.
You're also helping them throughthe help of the horse to
(15:14):
recalibrate that muscle memory.
So there are two things going onwhen you do this work.
One, consciously understandingthe three pieces and to
literally with the help of thehorse started to recalibrate the
muscle memory that has beenaltered to allow you to find
that balance.
And in so doing the horse ishelping us to help ourselves get
(15:39):
back in touch, not justphysically, mentally,
spiritually, um, but alsoaltering our philosophy, which
normally is what we do on thisplanet pretty much.
To survive, to be successful, weneed to take something that is
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less, careful with the word less, and use it to enrich yourself.
And that has been ourphilosophy.
And because of this philosophy,the byproduct of this I feel is
for lack of better word, it hasinfluenced our environment,
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physical environment in not apositive way.
And it was interesting becauseyesterday I saw all these young
people protesting in New Yorkcity.
About the physical environmentand that we need to do something
to change.
Once again, what I'm seeingbecause of the knowledge from
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the work is that we're puttingthe cart before the horse.
Again, they are saying that weneed to do something about
changing what we're doing to theenvironment, which is fantastic,
but guess what
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it's not just the physical environment around us
that has been affected by thismindset that I call tyrant.
It's a capital T at thebeginning cup of tea at the end
is not the word in thedictionary and what it is that's
been altered besides thephysical environment are people.
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We are just as affected as theenvironment is, but we don't
realize it because you can'tnecessarily see it, but it's
still affecting us.
So to me, until we becomeconsciously aware of these three
things, it is fantastic
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that they're doing what they're doing.
But until you recalibrateyourself with the help of the
horse, all those good intentionsaren't going to be met to the
extent that they need to meet,especially how quickly this
environment is being affectedphysically until we recalibrate
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and fix all the cells.
You won't be able to more thanlikely, and I hope I'm wrong,
make the changes that you needto to start the change of the
physical environment.
And what's interesting is whenyou try to share that with
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people because of what was doneto us, it blocks them from
getting it because all they hearyou saying is that they're
making a mistake.
And it's sort of fascinating forme is how do you get this word
out?
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You know, which is notfascinating, but actually
literally frustrating becausewhen I tried to share this on a
smaller scale to those who saythat want to make a difference
in life or in whatever careerthey choose, it's amazing how
when you try to share this withthem, it's like they shut you
down.
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And for me it just becomes sofrustrating.
It's like, why do I keep doingthis?
If the people in power don'tcare, why do I care?
So
Speaker 1 (19:31):
back in, I would say back about 10 years ago or even
further back than that, westarted approaching people and
you had some conversations withthe police department here in
Camden and I think that was thebeginning of um, finding ways of
sharing it specifically whereyou had groups come out.
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And at that time there was not alot of talk in the equine world
about um, horses being used forother things than just riding or
whatever.
There wasn't like, now when I,when I see things out in the
horse world, there's a lot oftalk of corporate training and
working with veterans with PTSDand all that.
But back when we were beginningthis, you were, this was, you
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were cutting edge and there wasnot a lot out there with horses
being used.
So you had some conversationswith our local police chief Joe
Floyd, and I'm, from what Iremember, he kinda thought he
would tell you, yeah, yeah,let's do it.
And then, um, we didn't reallyhave anything going on with it,
but then one day he finallysaid, all right, I'm going to
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send some of my officers out tosee what it is you do.
So what happened at that pointwhen the officers came, how did
that go and how did thingsdevelop after that?
With our local police department,
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um, first of all, hats off to chief Floyd for him
to climb onto this wagon and saythat he's going to do it.
That was big.
Um, but then again, that showsthe character of this person and
how much he cares, literallycares about his people.
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And so yes, we, we startedworking with him and you,
Julianne created a curriculumwith their help or listening to
through what they were lookingfor.
And we were able to tailor acurriculum for them and it work.
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I just remember that she, Floyd called you into his
office after the officers cameout and he said, I want to know
what kind of mind altering drugsyou have injected my captains
with, because all they can talkabout is that everybody in the
department needs to come andwork with you with these horses.
And so even, you know, that'sbeen 10 years ago, even 10 years
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later when you walk into thepolice department here, there's
an officer that will come uprandom people and say, Hey, I
want to come work with thehorses because they've heard
this tale for so long.
So I think that was the catalystin my mind.
That was the catalyst havingchief Floyd support.
And as you said, he went up andpresented in front of the
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officers in Columbia for, fortheir meetings.
And um, this was about the timeof current hurricane Katrina
actually, because Alan Trapp wasthe training officer at the time
that we worked with to developthe curriculum.
And he, he reached out to peoplethat were suffering from traumas
following the hurricane andbasically said, you know, this
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work helps with PTSD, this workhelpful would help with your
training officers as they workon, you know, our lesson plans
were based on anger managementand communication and body
language and for, for what wecall it in our horse work, its
pressure but the police call itdegree of compliance.
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And so, you know, we were ableto translate the pressure side
of it into the language thatwould mean something to officers
as they were doing theirrecertification and, and that
sort of thing.
So, um, I just thought it wasreally special that the chief
understood it and valued it somuch that, you know, he, he
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continues to support us to thisday.
And so that, you know, over timefrom working with the police and
working with, um, Greenvilletechnical college, there was a
professor, Barry Shreve that youworked with to have some
workshops for his students onthe horse work.
And so they would learn lessonsin the classroom and then come
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and
Speaker 2 (23:46):
have a workshop day with you.
And put it into practice.
Connie Brown, you just been ableto work with a variety, which is
funny that you bring up ConnieBrown because I spoke to her the
other day and she's in a way toEgypt if I'm not mistaken to
give a presentation, butapparently the organization that
she's a member of or one of theorganizations that she's a
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member of what they're talkingabout and what I do is what
they're talking about.
And she suggested that they needto talk to us.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
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Speaker 2 (24:22):
you're listening to Winnie tails.
Thank you for your support
Speaker 1 (24:32):
work with somebody like Connie and um, it's, it's a
thing where you know, they'redoing classroom work on whatever
the topic is and then they comeout and work with you.
How in the past, how has thatbeen a positive?
How does that translate intohelping them?
Why would somebody want to comeout and add this piece to what
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they're doing?
So
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Kalani Brown, that's just a cool name.
It just flows.
And when I think of Connie Brownto understand Connie Brown for
me, yo, you have to understandwhere we started from with her.
The way that we got together wasbecause of this horse that she
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rescued.
And the long, and the short ofit is it goes back to nine 11.
She was, was he nine o'clock,nine 11 victim.
Um, and through this work itdoes help to break out of that.
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What she learned from that wasthat what the work talks about,
how we're not reaching our fullpotential.
So the reason why she brings usin is that these people that
she's working with, it's notwhat they're doing, but the
pressure created by what they'redoing.
Um, they're not reaching theirfull potential and no motto how
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much knowledge she infuses intothem, they still won't be able
to put that knowledge into work,into play because of our
conditioning.
And what she realized because ofher own experience in the work,
um, that this work will helpthem break down those barriers.
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So therefore these people ofhers that she works with, um,
because it's about doing thebest job she can do.
Um, by sharing this piece withthem, I don't teach anything,
but to me this piece is a keypiece that's missing in society.
I don't, this doesn't train you.
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It's almost like the pill thatyou take that allows a knowledge
to come in without this pill.
You acquire knowledge.
You can accomplish the task thatyou're doing, but you're not
going to reach the fullpotentials and get to your full
potential.
So it's not about getting to thefull potential of your ability
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in that particular environment,but through that environment,
reaching the full potential ofwho you are meant to be.
Therefore allowing you to be theperson that you are meant to be,
that unique person.
So it allows you the freedom tobreak out of the mood to be
valued.
Um, and Connie realizes this.
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So by bringing us in, she'susing these techniques to help
people to become stronger withinthemselves so they can now take
these tools that she sharingwith them to reach their full
potential in this particularfield.
Um, so market trading, that waswhat I couldn't think of.
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Correct.
Which is funny because everytime I think of Connie Brown, I
think of when she took us to NewYork city and I never knew that
your palms can sweat.
So because here we go into thisbuilding in New York city
because my environment, first ofall, first and foremost, I
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started this to get away frompeople, my environment, my
church, Micah thedral is aroundPenn.
I mean, and my, the only thingthat I communicate with was, is
with that one horse.
So now I'm going to New Yorkcity, which is like all this
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pressure.
And then you go into thisbuilding that belongs to, what's
the guy's name?
Bloomberg.
Bloomberg, which, who is this?
Bloomberg?
All I know is like this famousperson, whatever,
multimillionaire.
So the pressure wasn't so muchthat the pressure was here.
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I have been given this gift andgiven thank you rooster.
Given this task to share thisinformation with, with the world
in my head, good, bad orindifferent sometimes.
A lot of times I think, okay,I'm losing it big time and now
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I'm on this stage in thisparticular building.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
[inaudible] one of the greatest cities in the
United States fall us for theworld and now I finally have the
stage to share this informationwith.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
So don't mess it up.
So like I'm freaking out andshe's going to give a talk on
market trading.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Maka traded.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And so you're in this building and you have to go
through all this security andyou're now in the room with all
these people sitting downwatching you.
Not only that, but it's beenlive stream, live streamed.
And I'm sitting there listeningto Connie give a talk and I
don't even know what the hellshe's talking about,
Speaker 5 (30:16):
all the numbers
Speaker 3 (30:17):
and yada, yada yada.
And then it was my turn to go onstage and do my presentation.
So here I am not wearing myshort pants.
I'm really out of things fall asfour cause I have to wear these
long pants or look neat and tidyand whatever.
Not to say I don't look neat andtidy when I worked with my
horses, but it's certainly notthe same outfit.
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And I'm an Island boy.
You know, it's like we arecustom, uh, you know, flip flops
if not barefoot and your shortpants and your tee shirt.
So now I'm in this suit and Iwalk up there with a briefcase,
it's like briefcase.
And then I popped the briefcaseopen and output, I pull the
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Lariat and then I do my littledemonstration and blah, blah,
blah, blah.
And it was kind of interesting.
Um, so yeah, that was, that waspretty wild occasion.
Um, and so I've watched
Speaker 1 (31:14):
you in, in these workshops scenarios where
they've worked on all morning onknowing when to buy or when to
sell or what they should reactto or whatever.
And so it's, I just think it's agreat thing to be able to come
out and practice that.
And with Connie or with otherpeople that you work with in
this capacity?
I've heard them say, Oh, it'llstop you in the middle of
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something in the round pen andsay, okay, what you're doing
right there, that's what you didthis morning and you wouldn't
sell or you know, you're notreacting this way or whatever.
So it becomes a great tool forsomebody who wants to get points
across, who wants their peopleto be able to practice something
or whatever.
Um, and we've been doing somethings with another, uh, core
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corporate training expert, aguru, I guess you'd say with
Lynn Carn and creative spiritsunleashed.
How did you meet Lynn and howdid all that start?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Before I go there, I want to stay in New York.
Okay, sure.
And, and you know, I was talkingabout how this is my journey and
I was talking about when I wentto the offices, how was having a
hard time because I felt that Ineeded to not mess this up
because this is I, this journeythat I was on, you know, I'm on
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that.
I'm sharing with others.
This is my personal journey isnot a job for me.
Um, but one of the things thathappened in this journey was for
a lack of better word, wefinally gave birth in a sense to
the work and the way that thathappened because as this thing
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grew inside of me, and the wordsstarted forming and the picture
started forming and the workstarted happening.
And so therefore you had all ofthis visual starting to happen
verbal.
Um, and not only that, but mygrowth, it finally got to the
stage where I realized that Ineeded to get it out.
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And not just by working withpeople, but get it down on tape.
Visual tape.
Um, not just audio.
I never sort of funny how wecame across this guy from
Trinidad where I'm from orshould I say Trinidad Tobago.
Um, with James O'Connor and withJuliana[inaudible].
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Um, we created our littledocumentary called the edge.
Well, again, with Julian's help,the edge was now going to be,
the trailer was now going to beshown at the Equis film
festival.
Thank you very much.
Lisa Doosan and Diana Darosa.
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Um, so the first year we went toNew York city to the Equus film
festival, it was pretty wildbecause finally I felt that I
found a medium that could startsharing this message.
So here we are in New York cityat the Equus film festival, and
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I'm sitting down too in one ofthe five or six cinemas, um,
that are showing all these filmsfrom all over the world to watch
our trailer in New York city.
And I get into the cinema andthere are five people.
All of a sudden thatconditioning done to me, kicks
in, which isn't beneficial to mywellbeing.
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And I start realizing or feelingthat I'm failing, that, Hey,
you're given this gift.
You finally put it down on filmor starting to, and there's
nobody there to watch it.
So you feel this terrible senseof failure.
And this is what's so cool aboutthis work.
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So the pressure created by allof this starts causing what I
call, I guess for lack of betterwith the muscle memory, your
conditioning to perceive thatyou're feeling.
And, um, all of a sudden becauseof the work, it kicks in and
stops you and you stoppedrecalibrating and you said,
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okay, here's person from thisthird world country that came up
with this concept from nothing,put it on film.
He's now in one of the greatestcities in the world.
How can you possibly say thatyou are failing when look what
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you have accomplished?
So in the past, none of thatwould've happened.
I would have just seen myself asonce again, I'm no good.
But because of the power of thework, which has altered my
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muscle memory, my conditioning,my subconscious that in the past
would've pulled me undo.
Because to me, we have now beenconditioned to feel, and it's
not about the failure, but infeeling we don't get these
kicks, one of them possibly evenan endorphin kick.
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Um, that lets your body knowthat you're okay.
So then we go out and buysomething or self-medicate or
all.
So we can keep on movingforward.
Um, in this case, this workhelps you to find a natural way
of doing that and not bedependent on things that we
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produce, I.
E taking something that is lessus and using them to enrich
themselves and you fill in theblank.
Um, very quickly I started torealize that's an old story and
the reality is look what youhave accomplished.
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So I just want to throw thatstory in since we were in New
York city.
Well and to continue that partof the story.
I mean since then, that was in2015 in November of 2015.
The funny thing is, I mean whenwe started the talk of the film
and then this Julianne reallystarted finally and I'm grateful
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for being part of this journey.
Um, well we just decided thatthe job at that, because if it
wasn't for her, that part of thejourney wouldn't happen.
So I'll shut up now and she cansee shit.
But it's important for that ACthat because we build, you won't
say that and people need to knowthat.
If it wasn't for you, this workwouldn't come to life.
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To the public, to the extentthat it is coming to life, to
the public.
Oh, thank you.
Because trust me, I for manyreasons wouldn't have the
ability to do this.
Um, so go ahead.
See what you want me to do.
I was just gonna say we, the wayit all started was kind of, um,
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synchronicity, I think was theword we were using at the time
because one day I was justthinking we gotta do something
to get the word out to peoplewho are outside of our little
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circle of friends and local Camden, South Carolina.
What can we do?
Let's create a little video forour website.
And so at that time there wassomething going around on
Facebook that was film footageof George Bovell who was a
famous Trinny swimmer and verywell known and popular and all
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that.
And he had been doing sometraining swimming out in the
wilderness, um, in Trinidad.
And they captured footage of himsaving a baby deer from out from
under a waterfall or somethingto drowning.
And he's coming up out of thewater and this, this beautiful
visual with the water droplets.
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And I had never heard of 4k orany of that at the time.
And so I just knew and you knew,well, it's a type of filming,
but I just knew that that wasthe visual, that was something
that was very appealing to watchand that we wanted something of
that quality, you know, work.
If we were going to do a video,let's do it.
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Right.
And so within a day, I think youhad contacted the filmmaker,
James O'Connor of the artiststory telling and had this
conversation with him on thephone.
And um, it just, we hit it offwith James and with Dylan canal,
who was also with him and, andMiranda, his wife.
And so it just became a reallygreat partnership in creating
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this documentary.
And I feel that it really, youknow, from us go into Trinidad
and then them coming up hereseveral times back and forth,
they were able to capture thework and to talk to people who
had experienced it and they justdid a beautiful job.
But even in those early days,James said, you know, what do
you want to do with this film?
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And, um, I had heard of theEquus film festival.
I didn't know anything about itin reality, but I just said
we're going to take it to theEquus film festival in New York
city.
And so when Lisa Dierssen waskind enough to accept us, I
mean, this was last minute, um,the festival was in November and
I think we got her the film atthe end of October.
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And she just said, yeah, we'llshow it.
You know, it's too late for itto be in the competition part of
it, but you send us the trailerwill show the trailer for you.
And so that was just thebeginning of a fabulous
relationship with Lisa and thewhole festival.
And, and since then, you know,that first time we had five
people in the theater in NewYork.
But since then, through thisfestival, we've been able to
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show the film and to promoteyour work all over the world,
literally.
And so it was just the beginningof something that's been a
wonderful relationship.
So from demonstrations at the LAequestrian center and you know,
back up in headwaters whereJames lives now and just all
over the place has been.
It's been a great relationship.
So I did want to go back totalking about Lynn carne and the
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work that you're doing with herand her people.
Um, is that something that youcould talk about for a minute?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah.
Cause you a minute or two orthree.
What would you like to knowabout Lynn con?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
So she approached you , um, through contacts that we
have in North Carolina and shewas interested in the work and
she came out with her daughterand um, I, I got the impression
from conversations with herlater that she was sold on the
work the first day, but herdaughter, not so much.
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I think it was pretty emotionalfor her, but they came around
and um, had some breakthroughs.
So just tell me a little bitabout what happened with all of
that and what they're doing now.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Lyndon Carn, Lynn carne came with her daughter.
So it's sort of interesting whenyou have somebody come and look
at the work.
Because you got to do two thingsat one time besides everything
else you all on one hand, you,you have to look at them as, and
I don't particularly care forthe word client and I guess a
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word will come up at some point,but you have to look at them
from that perspective.
But also you have to look at assomebody that you're going to be
working with.
So you want them to experienceit on one hand as through the
eyes of a client because oftheir client.
But you also, from aprofessional standpoint how this
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is going to work for them.
You also have to translate it tothat.
So it's a little bit of ajuggling act when it comes to
doing that amongst other things.
And the actually came twice.
Um, you know, one of the firstthings that I have them do is go
put a Holt on the horse.
And the thing about this work isnot about getting the picture
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done, but within getting thepicture done.
The keyword there is in, indoing the picture, we capture
moments and therefore withinthose moments, by capturing
them, we capture the moment andthen fall.
They're able to see what they'redoing in that moment and at that
moment, because of theterminologies that we use,
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tyrant or alpha and tyrantssimply means you're
overreacting.
Underreacting you're not doingwhat the picture calls for.
So anyway, Lynn comes out with adaughter and we're going through
this process and she seessomething in this and my belief
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is what she sees as this, shedoes a really great job with the
people helping to empower thesepeople and giving them these
tools to do their job moreefficiently, effective, et
cetera, et cetera, et.
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The only problem is when itcomes time to putting these
skills to work, the pressurecreated.
See, we don't get, a lot ofpeople don't see that concept.
They think that it's this personwhen they did, here is a
problem, but it's not thisperson or that situation.
But the pressure created by,because of that pressure, it's
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us reminding you of pastpressures and because you aren't
consciously aware about yourmental tools, for example, which
is one of the three pieces thatare missing, you are then not
able to respond to the pressureof that moment and therefore
you're conditioning yoursubconscious, yo, whatever you
want to call it, your musclememory takes over.
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And because of the conditioningdone to us very early in our
childhood, which has set us upto fail, you then can't put the
tools that we will given to helpyou succeed into practice.
Because a mechanism that allowsthat to happen has been, what's
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the big word, not altered butcompromised because of our early
conditioning.
And until you recalibrate thatand balance that alteration out
to where the natural settingwhich was provided for you by
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nature, that man domesticationhas altered until we
recalibrate, that you're notgoing to reach the full
potential of who you are meantto be far less to, uh, the
ability to accomplish what it isyou are trying to accomplish at
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that particular moment.
Because you are not in thatmoment.
Even though physically you arein that moment, you are actually
emotionally in the past becauseof the pressure of that moment
which you don't really realize.
So with that said, I believethat that's what Lynn
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encountered but that's also whatthe daughter encountered, which
possibly caused the daughter tomove away from this.
But I feel that now she has moreembraced at the, not all those,
she has not returned yet butthat's a whole different story.
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So because of this encounterthat they both had, Lynn has now
not only come back personally todo the work, which is as far as
I'm concerned, that says a lotabout the human being or this
particular individual, but she'sbought a number of her plants
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who have a number of peopleworking under them to come
encounter to encounter thiswork.
That's kind of where we areright now in the journey with
Lynn, which has now allowed Lynnthe ability to what this work
does, which is take one to awhole new level.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (48:05):
You are listening to Whinny Tales.
We thank you for your support.
Julian is messing on a computer.
I don't know what that noisewas, but um, I don't if that's
like a hint, but share thisexperience real life by sharing
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this work with people that havehorses, you know, give riding
lessons, et cetera, et cetera,to where you create the
satellite farms that people havestudied the work, train the
trainer, and therefore nowpeople can go to these different
places and experience this work.
And one of the locations that Ifeel is a great location because
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of how it's viewed by the restof the world.
Funny enough is The Bahamas.
And I feel that now is a greattime to do it because of what's
happening.
And one of the great reasons isif we keep doing what we're
doing with the global warming,et cetera, et cetera, The
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Bahamas is one going to be oneof the first landmasses that are
going to be engulfed by thewater.
So instead of working onchanging what's happening to the
environment, we first have tochange ourselves.
And here's a great location todo that because in coming to do
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this work, not only do youencounter the work, but then you
go out into the nature of TheBahamas and put it into
practice.
Um, so you're totally submergedinto that nature, into nature
and therefore, which is why wecall it natural human ship.
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And through, by submergingyourself into that nature, you
become more humane and reallyget a good plug in.
And so when you go off towherever it is in the world you
live, you then start buildingupon that.
It's going to have like, like Isaid, exploring and, and mining
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this and what I'm doing isprocessing it, but there are
gonna be people who are gonna beeven better at processing this
to explain it to people evenbetter than I could, which is
fantastic, you know?
Um, because the bottom line isthis, the winner of all of this
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is not me, but what I first setout to do, which was to help the
horse survive in the where we'vecreated.
Because this could not help ahuman to the extent that you can
get the help if you do notinvolve the horse, not any other
(51:05):
animal but the horse fornumerous reasons.
And in so doing by doing thisvirtual reality, it all will
come back to the horse andpeople are going to realize that
horses are actually moreimportant now for human wellness
if not survival for only threereasons.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
And I think we'll leave with that question for
today because that's a wholenother episode waiting to
happen.
So Bruce, thank you so much fortalking this morning.
I think it's been very specialto have be surrounded by nature
as we have this first episode ofthe podcast.
(51:50):
So before
Speaker 3 (51:51):
I go, I started off with sharing the porch with you
and it's going to be cool thatwe're starting this podcast,
that the first one is here onthis porch.
So right now what's happening asthe sun comes up and we are
facing East and we are lookingat are the screen porch.
(52:11):
Um, the chickens are allmingling around as I'm sure you
heard through it.
But then down in the hollowwhere the horses are, I could
now start seeing the horsescoming down and grazing as
they're coming down.
So it's kind of cool to see thelight hitting them.
And I could see Winston on oneside, a Marley on our little
(52:32):
rescue horse Mack, and they'reall sort of making their way
down as a breeze so it canapprove to feel the cool air.
I look at my thermometer and itsays that is about 65 70
degrees, which is fantasticbecause it's the beginning of
(52:53):
fall and it's just a really niceday.
Um, so thank you very much, uh,Julianne for putting this
together, allowing me theopportunity to share my journey
with horses and thank you forsharing your all's always so
willing to do that.
(53:13):
So special.
So here's the saying for the dayfrom squeaky wagon steam, wicked
chickens laid devil eggs.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
I think we'll close with that.
Thanks Bruce.
Thanks him.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
You're listening to Whinny Tales, the official
podcast of Nature's View and TheMarley Project brought to you by
JA Media Productions.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
[inaudible].
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