Ep 150 / Feathers, Fails, and Friends: Turkey Hunting Chronicles

We're diving deep into the wild world of turkey hunting with our buddies Frank and Mike. Right off the bat, we tackle the highs and lows of our hunting adventures, sharing some of our most memorable and frustrating moments in the woods. From frustrating equipment failures to the thrill of that perfect shot, we've got stories that’ll resonate with anyone who’s ever tried to tag a turkey. And trust me, there’s more than a few laughs along the way as we recount our escapades and the bond that hunting creates among friends. Whether you're a seasoned hunter or just curious about the sport, this episode has something for everyone. So grab your gear and settle in—it's time for some good ol’ turkey talk!

Gather 'round, folks! This week, I'm joined by the dynamic duo, Dave and Squatch, as we dive deep into the exhilarating world of turkey hunting with our guests, Frank and Mike from Boondocks Outdoors. We're not just talking about the thrill of the chase; we're peeling back the layers of what makes turkey hunting so unique and memorable. Frank and Mike share their most unforgettable hunts, complete with all the ups and downs that come with the territory. Imagine the excitement of calling in a tom, only to have it follow a hen instead—oh, the frustration! And trust me, their stories are not just about the successes but also those epic fails that every hunter can relate to. It’s all about the camaraderie in the woods, the lessons learned, and yes, the laughs along the way!

As we weave through tales of missed shots and triumphant moments, we can't help but reflect on how each hunt teaches us something new—not just about the game but about ourselves too. Whether it's the thrill of the perfect shot or the agony of a near miss, these experiences bond us as hunters. So tune in and join us for a lively conversation that’s equal parts informative and entertaining, where we reminisce about past hunts and gear up for the next adventure. Plus, we'll throw in some witty banter to keep things light—because what’s a hunting show without a little fun, right?

So if you're looking for some hunting tips or just want a good laugh, grab your gear and settle in! This episode is packed with insights and stories that will resonate with every outdoor enthusiast.

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This week on the show, we’re getting real about the highs and lows of turkey hunting with the amazing Frank and Mike. From unforgettable moments that make your heart race to those frustrating times that make you question your skills, we cover it all. Imagine sitting in a blind, the sun rising, and the sound of gobbles echoing in the distance—it’s moments like these that define what it means to be a hunter. Frank and Mike share their most memorable hunts, recounting the stories that bring us all back to that feeling of pure exhilaration when nature is at its best.

But it’s not just about the glory; we also dive into those frustrating moments in the woods that make us laugh (after the fact). You know, those times when everything seems to go wrong? Like the time Mike was stuck in a blind with a persistent rain that turned into a comedy of errors. We’ll also discuss how hunting is more than just a sport; it’s about the friendships we forge, the lessons we learn, and the memories we make along the way. So whether you're a seasoned pro or just starting, there's something in this episode for everyone. Join us for an engaging discussion about turkey hunting, the great outdoors, and the bonds that bring us together.

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Strap in for a wild ride this week as we welcome Frank and Mike to the show! Turkey hunting isn’t just about the hunt; it’s about the stories that come with it. We dive into the thrilling experiences of hunting and what makes those moments so special. Frank and Mike share some of their most memorable hunts, detailing the rush of the chase and the moments that left...

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage podcast with.
Your host, Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
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the electronic pull up achair, gather on electronic campfire
and let's have an amazing talk.
Tonight we're going to betalking about some turkeys having
boondock.
Mike and Frank sharing theirmost memorable hunts.
And we're going to be enjoyingour last show before we take the
week off for Mother's Day.
Now what is up everyone?
Oh, Dave's here.

(02:14):
What's up boys?
What's up Captain Tranny?
So we got Mike on here withtonight from the boondocks outdoors,
we have Dave from WhitetailAvenge and just also Dave the Beast.
Watch the ever lookingmagnificent creature that he is.
Ambush Frank.

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Hey, Frank's the hunt up everybody?
I ain't doing anymore.
That's right.
I'm just gonna sit back and relax.
Take it over, Frank.
That's right, of course.
Come on, Frank.
He's like, no, it's My kind of relax.
I did it last night.

(02:57):
Well, we all know Squatch and Dave.
Everybody knows you but you.
We.
For everyone that doesn't knowyou, Mike.
For anyone doesn't know you,Frank, you know, you guys are like
basically brothers of the show here.
Can you guys give a littlebackground about yourself?
Nobody wants to hear.
To go first.
Yeah, we don't want to hearit, but we're.
We're going to be nice.
All right.

(03:17):
No, I'll.
I'll go.
So I'm Frank Masa.
I go by Broadside Ambush on Instagram.
I'm also the host of theGarden Stay Outdoorsman podcast.
Thanks.
I live up in Wanning, New Jersey.
I'm an avid, you know, veryavid hunter, fisherman.

(03:38):
Big family man.
You know, I got wife, kids,the whole nine yards.
So, you know, just happy to beon here with all my brothers and
ready to talk some turkey and.
And shoot the.
Let's do it.
Mike, what about you, brother?
Well, everyone, I'm.
I'm Mike Nitray.
I am the owner of BoondocksHunting, also the creator of the

(04:02):
Garden State Outdoorsmanpodcast and now co host of the.
I've been demoted on my ownshow to.
To co host and actually nowthe host of our new brand new show
called JC Unknown Podcast.
Love to hunt.
Loved.
You know, be in the outdoors.
Ex hockey player, grew upplaying hockey.
Watching the playoffs rightnow and just.

(04:24):
Yeah, just, you know, when I'mnot hunting or podcasting now or
working on the brand, I'm at work.
So, you know, nothing.
Nothing crazy there, but youknow, always exciting to come on
to.
To this great show and youknow, our, our brotherhood podcast
that we all get along with so,so well with and have tons of fun

(04:44):
with every.
Every single episode we do.
So you have three shows nowthat you host?
We have.
We have two.
We have two shows.
We have two shows that we hosta YouTube series that I do as well
for that will actually be likeour, our hunts and everything like
that on there.
And then we do.
And we host events and go toevents as well.

(05:06):
I know you guys do the.
This was your second yeardoing the.
The game night.
Yep.
Second.
Second year doing the.
The game night.
And then this will be ourthird year going into our third year
doing the.
The BO shoot and meet and greet.
Nice.
Well, let's talk about some turkeys.
I know Squatch, I'm gonna.
I want you guys take it over.

(05:27):
You guys were recentlysuccessful out there in the woods
yourself, so why don't youguys take it over.
I Don't know if it was brokeback turkey hunting or what the was
going on there.
Yeah, yeah, I saw the text messages.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was.
Frank and I were gettingpretty intimate because it was raining

(05:48):
like a bastard out and yeah,we actually snuggled.
I mean we were, we took our.
Relationship to a whole new level.
Yeah, I mean I bet you guys did.
Yeah, he was like, he waslike, once you, once you go on squat,
you'll never go back.
So.
Yeah.
So.
So it started out, you know,Frankie and I have been trying to
hook up for getting up to hisproperty in Sullivan county and,

(06:10):
and you know, it's really justlike we have a.
Comma here from Katrina.
Remington is waiting for awayfrom dad prank Uncle Squad, Uncle
Mike.
Oh, hey Remington.
What's up buddy?
So Remy's a great kid, man.
I can't wait till he gets older.
This is going to be sofreaking cool between us maniacs

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out there.
So anyway, back to the story.
We, we, we.
We got finally together to goup to the property and you know,
first off, you know, I, I feltnothing, nothing more but welcomed,
you know, just like, you know,like you're walking on a piece of
your own land with your, your,your brother, you know.

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And we get up there and wecame up with a quick setup.
We, we had a really goodposition where we were, we picked
a tree line that ends in themiddle of the field that comes out
from the far edge.
And we were like central, you know.
And we had a nice three biground bale that we tucked our, my,
my ground blind up against.
And you know, we started call.

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I started calling and callingbirds and Frank's like, you know,
they're here, they're there.
I said, yep.
Well one good thing is Frank,they're gonna come up from that bottom.
I got a feeling because weheard these, you know, real mature
gobbles down across the roadfrom the farmhouse and we're like,
they're down there.
But they had hens.

(07:34):
So we knew that.
And they're.
Let me tell you, it's textbookland where he is.
It's rolling, beautifulfarmland, there's open fields, there's
hardwoods all tucked around in between.
I mean you couldn't if, if BobRoss painted a freaking picture of,
hey, this is Happyville turkey land.

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That's where we were.
So we, we, we made a series of calls.
We kept stopping and callingand we didn't want to over call.
We, we did an occasionalgobble, but they were kind of tight
lipped.
And Frank has these beautifulAvian X turkey decoys.
One's a tom and full strut.
He had like a feeding hen orlike a tending hen out in front of

(08:18):
it.
And let me tell you, I.
I was like barking ordersbecause like, I'm the drill sergeant
out there, you know, And I'mlike, frankie, put them out like
3, 30 yards out front of us.
Just set them up good.
And he's like, yeah, all right.
I look back and I was like,hey, you did a really freaking nice
job.
They look great, man.
And he's like, oh, thanks.
You know, I mean, perfect theway they look.
They were set up.

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So we're calling.
And he goes, squatch.
I said, yeah.
He goes, there's two on the hill.
I said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,I see him.
I said, you got binoculars?
He goes, yeah, I do, in fact.
So we're looking.
Look up the hill.
The.
The bird.
Every time I call, the birdfans out.
But he's missing a tail feather.
So we know him, you know, weif like, you name a buck, he's like,
missing tail feather.

(08:59):
Yep.
I got a vendetta with that.
Yeah.
Yeah, you do.
So the two of them just strutting.
But I said to him, I said,boy, that's kind of weird.
They're like right next toeach other and it's, you know, they're
in the prime.
In their freaking rut right now.
You know, they're.
They want to breed.
And it's not like I haven'tseen mature birds come in together
or whatever, but usually I wasa little funky.

(09:20):
So we look and we had seenfour hens go in the same direction,
and they followed.
And I was like, bro, we're notgoing to get him off the real deal.
I mean, I'm trying, but Idon't want to blow my cover either.
What we got going on here?
So long story short, they takeoff, they.
They go over the hill, theyfollow where the hens went.

(09:41):
Then we had a hen come in thefield, come across out in front of
us a long ways off, almostabout 90 something yards out.
And I was like, you know what?
They're moving good.
It's getting to be that magic time.
9, 30, 10 o'clock.
Something's going to go downsooner or later.
Well, you guys heard me preachbefore, especially, you know, when
we've talked about turkeys and stuff.

(10:02):
It's very important to readthe temperature of a bird.
I'm not saying shove athermometer up its ass and read the
thermometer.
It's how they get Back to you.
It's how they talk.
If a bird's hot, a bird willcut you off.
While you're calling, he'llkeep calling back if they're cold.
They talk sporadically.
They're.
They're walking around with hens.
They could give two shitsabout you.
So I made a couple loud gobblecalls and I did some other light

(10:26):
calling and we just said, youknow what?
We're not hearing stuff, solet's hang out.
So we're just shooting the.
We're talking.
Every once in a while, I standup, stretch.
I look out the side window tothe field that's to our left.
And I'm looking down past hay bale.
Nah, nothing.
Nothing.
The whole time I'm, you know,sitting there, I'm going, I know
these birds are going to come up.

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And he goes, squatch, what doyou want to do?
I said, well, a part of mewants to run a gun.
Part of me wants to go maybedown the hill on the other side of
the road where we heard those gobbles.
But the good part of me says,don't move.
And he's like, okay, well, youknow, you know the deal.
And I said, well, you know,I've had good luck sitting still.
Nine, 30, 10 o'clock, they getaway from the hens.

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They come up, just chill out.
Let's see how it goes.
As I say that, three deer comeout into the field.
And they walk out and they'refeeding around a little bit.
So we're watching them andthey lay down.
I says, look at this.
They bedded down out in frontof us like 60 yards, you know, 70
yards.
So I hit the call a littlebit, just messing with them.

(11:28):
And they're looking, they're looking.
But, you know, you guys know I'm.
I'm a very faithful guy to God.
And God gives me sign.
And when.
I know when I'm doingsomething right, I see deer.
And his.
His message to me was, sit tight.
They're sitting tight.
You, you know, I showed youthe deer.
They're sitting down.
Stay put.
And I started putting stufftogether, and I'm like, something's

(11:50):
going to go down.
I got that feeling.
So, long story short, we gomaybe, I don't know, another 20 minutes
or so.
I did a couple call sequencesin between.
And Frank says, yeah, I got tostand up, Squatch.
I got to stand up.
Yeah, it's no problem.
He goes, oh, God, he's here.
I go, who's here?
I thought somebody was on the property.

(12:11):
He Goes, the tom's coming.
So he's grabbed me by the shoulders.
Don't move, squad.
He's right there.
He's coming by the big hay bale.
And I'm like, frank, we're ina fly.
He can't see you.
He can't.
Don't move.
So the camera.
I have a tripod set up.
I got the camera on it, andit's in the, like, middle of the

(12:34):
window.
And I'm like, can you shoot?
He's no, you shoot.
You shoot.
I'm like, I want you to shoot him.
He's like, squatch, he'scoming, he's coming.
He's moving fast.
I'm like, oh.
So I reach around the camera.
I don't even get it on.
He don't turn it on becausehe's got his gun.
He don't know, like, you know,what's gonna happen.
So I grab it and I.
I go right out the window realslow, you know, and through the holes,

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because I have that.
You gotta tell them the best.
One of the best parts, though,when you were trying to lift your
gun up, we were sitting so close.
I have my arm on the stock ofhis gun.
So he's trying to lift up his gun.
He's going, frank, move your arms.
He just got bug shoot andgrabbed his stock and went, man.

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So.
So I sneak that big old barrelout the freaking window, and this
bird is your broadside to me.
And he is beeline.
He's got his neck all the wayout, his wings tucked all the way
back, and he's just a monster.
And he's, you know, waddling along.
I said, oh, no, no, no.
I put the beat of thatfreaking reflex site I just put on

(13:37):
there right on the top of his head.
And I touched it off, and hewent right down.
I mean, instantly.
And I.
I was like, oh, were you filming?
He goes, no.
I reach over, I hit the powerbutton on my camera, and I got him
flopping, like, his lastlittle bit of flopping around, and
that was it.
And I'm like, ah, man.
But I was happy, you know, I'mlike, ah, this is cool.
So, you know, first thing Isay to him, like, frankie, thank

(13:58):
you so much.
You know, this is awesome.
And then I.
I looked at him and I went,oh, God, what did I do?
And he's like, what?
I was like, why did I shoot?
That was.
You were supposed to shoot.
And he's like, I told you to shoot.
I'm like, yeah, but this isyour place, man.
I was Just here to call.
And he's like, no brother, itcame to your side.
I didn't really have a shotthrough there.
He's like, I'm glad you shot.

(14:20):
You know.
So you'll see on the video.
I'm in the process abouthalfway through editing the video.
I'll get that out on theoutdoors and more with The Squatch
on YouTube.
Frankie and Mike, I'll makesure you guys.
I can send you the files forthat too.
And you guys can destruct themand re resurrect them and do whatever
the hell you want to do tothem too.
But real quick, Swatch.

(14:41):
Real quick.
Yeah.
Let's be honest.
You guys were in that blind.
You guys were cuddling up.
Yeah.
For you to shoot that bird,you must have gave Frank a little
incentive there.
Like there, there had to be areason why he was being so generous.
Were probably doing the who'sgot the longest straw can go first.

(15:02):
Squash.
Yeah.
I'm picturing the popup insideof it like the you.
You were standing out in thefield looking at it.
The popups doing this all overthe place.
Because they're jostling, you know.
Give me the gun.
Don't give me the gun.
Literally.
No, we, we had, we had the story.

(15:22):
Well, we were like going tomake a make up but.
We literally were.
We had this discussion before.
Yeah.
There was this pterodactyl andit came down at us, man.
And we were shooting at it.
No, I was like, yeah.
So.
So I go and automaticallyreach for the gun and Frank belts
me in the jaw.

(15:43):
He's like, that's my bird.
I take one hand, stuff him tothe ground, put my leg on and I shut
out the window, you know.
Now.
Yeah.
He took the bullets out of mygun when I wasn't looking.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Never notice.
But nah, nah, nah.
You know, like, like I said.

(16:03):
So, so killing that bird was, was.
And I'll tell you guys, that'sone of the.
One of the biggest ones alongwith a couple other I've shot.
That one I think has thelongest spurs out of everyone I shot.
It had an inch and a half long spurs.
That's pretty good sized spurs.
And that bird, I saw somethingonline said that's between a five
to eight year old bird.
That's about right.

(16:25):
Yeah.
I had a buddy shoot a, aturkey two weeks ago, I think roughly
now.
And it was three bearded.
The.
It was 12, 10 and 8 orsomething like that.
I was like, holy.
I never, I didn't get a chanceto see the photos.
I was told of it through asecond party or third party.
I mean, and.
But he.

(16:45):
He told me he.
Because he saw the photos, Iwas like, it's very, extremely rare.
I mean, I'm not a big turkey.
You guys know this.
But yeah, I assume threebearded turkeys are like.
Yeah, I've got double beards before.
Over the years.
Yeah, I had a three beardedlast year.

(17:08):
Yeah, I've never seen one.
I had one, yeah.
Nope, never even seen one.
So the funny thing was.
So the funny thing was we weregetting later on in the morning and
he was, you know, I know howhe gets.
He gets like.
I do because I had him down atthe land with me last year in my
property.
And, you know, he was like,you know, man, we gotta do this if

(17:31):
we don't get one.
And I'm like, what's that?
He goes, I gotta.
With Mike.
And I'm like, okay, I'm down.
I go, what are you gonna do?
He goes, see that Tom decoyout there?
I want you to take my picturewith it.
I'll have the shotgun.
My hand.
And I'm like, oh, that's.
I said, I think we canfreaking Photoshop that enough to
look real too.
We'll get like, you know, wewere joking around all that, but,

(17:53):
you know, so we get over thereand, you know, you'll see in the
video, I'm.
I was like, in shock.
I was just in shock.
It happened so fast and itworked out perfectly and I got over
it.
I saw how big the bird was andI looked at him and I said, frank,
that's one of the biggest damnturkeys I ever shot in my life.
And he's like, is it?
Man, that's freaking awesome.

(18:14):
I'm like, it is.
It's.
It's huge.
So I pick it up and I'm like,yeah, it's.
It's.
I think it's around 23.
So he's like, yeah, it's big.
It's big.
So anyway, long story short,get our pictures with it.
We throw it up on this roundbale out there.
He looks, of course, again, around.
Oh, shit.
There's turkeys out in the field.
Squat.
So we go beelining for thefreaking blind.

(18:36):
Play Twister in there again.
Get all freakingdiscombobulated trying to get situated.
And this hen came in.
She.
She just looks at the deadturkey on the hay bale and she's
like, okay.
She just feeds along.
So I put some.
That little footage of that inand everything, but just a awesome
Day, you know what the.
The killing of the bird.
You know, getting that bird,harvesting the bird, and knowing

(18:58):
I had food for the table wasjust awesome.
But being that that guy rightthere was with me and we were on
his property for the firsttime together, that's.
That's a memory right there, guys.
And I hope every one of youguys get to experience that, because
that just.
I.
I could.
I could.
I would.
I would trade missing ahundred birds just for that camaraderie.

(19:22):
That's.
That's.
I don't like people that much.
Yeah, you know, that's whyyou're a bald guy living in your
basement.
Hey, I don't live with my mom anymore.
I moved out last week.
Yeah, we know.
Look how white the walls there.
That's one of those pods.
You're living in a pod, aren't you?

(19:43):
One of those moving things?
Yeah, it's a conex.
Underground bunkers underneaththe ground as well.
That's my bunker type, guys.
Yeah.
But I can't thank Frank enough.
Frank.
Thank you, my brother.
It was fun, man.
It was.
It was an awesome hunt.
He's one of my favorites.
Literally.

(20:04):
Well, it's not gonna looking for.
It's not looking good for megetting a bird this year, but by
God, next year I'm making ithappen with Dave.
I don't give a what the happens.
I don't care what.
I'll take some vacation days version.
Birds.
Dude, there's turkeys outright now.
Out to that spot that I deer hunt.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(20:25):
I mean, this is only over whenyou run out of bullets.
That's right.
Like deer season.
How far?
And that's not happening.
Would you shoot that book?
Oh, December, January, you know.
Well, let's.
Let's do this real quick.

(20:46):
So you all have got a birdthen, Correct?
I'm the only one that hasn'thad a bird.
No, I haven't got one yet.
Frank, you haven't gotten a bird?
Not yet, Mike.
I've been close almost everysingle hunt, but haven't.
Haven't gotten a bird.
All right, so Squatch and Daveare the only two that I've gotten
a bird.
Yep.
In their life.
Yes.
Okay.
I thought we're life.

(21:08):
Frank's gotten one.
I haven't.
Yeah, yeah, I've gotten full year.
This is my second full yearturkey hunting.
I haven't cared about turkeyhunting until last year.
No.
So.
So, Frank, you do have you.
You have a bird then?
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right, so what do youthink is more.
I don't want to use the wordmore, but it's.
What is more exciting, Turkeyhunting or deer hunting?

(21:34):
Oh, man.
That in my opinion, and I'm just.
I'm just gonna say this in myopinion, without doing the bird hunting
yet.
Obviously they both have their.
Their pros and cons.
And this is just me looking onthe outsider perspective of turkey
hunting.
Nothing beats deer hunting, inmy opinion.
I don't think anything canbeat it.
But turkey hunting.

(21:54):
What makes it amazing is astory that you guys just shared that
you're doing it.
I mean, you are huntingtogether, don't get me wrong.
But it's not like what you.
In close quarters, kind oflike what you guys were.
Besides, if you have like a.
A camera guy up top where it'smore a dad, father, son type of deal,
where you sit next to eachother in a tree stand.
Deer hunting.

(22:14):
But in my opinion, when you'reactually bird hunting, you're hunting
with one of your best friends,your brother, stuff like that.
That's what makes it, I thinkit more enjoyable.
I think turkey hunting is morechallenging if you do it with no
blind.
Yeah.
And with a bow, way harder.
Oh, yeah.
You're doing the eaglebasically on the ground with a bow.

(22:35):
Yeah.
Yeah, I'll.
I'll agree with that.
I think even.
I mean, I look at thedifficulty I'm having even.
Even with the gun.
But, you know, I think like,if we're talking about excitement
and which one's more fun andmore just gets the heart pumping.
It's a hundred percent deer.
Like when a big buck comes inversus a big tom, like the buck is

(22:56):
gonna.
It's gonna do things too.
Like, you.
Like I've almost thrown up.
That's how excited I've got.
I'm not pissing my pants for a turkey.
Yeah.
No.
But I will say what I do likeabout turkey is listen, at the end
of the day right now, deerseason's over.
So instead of me just sittingon the couch or going to work or.
Or something like that, like,I'm out in the woods.

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So like, that makes a lot of fun.
But today, and I'll tell you,today I get out to.
To the woods, I have these hens.
These hens fly down everysingle day into this field.
And both fields are packed with.
With birds.
I have Frank and Squatch.
No, I mean, I probably haveroughly about.
Usually when they get alltogether, probably like 20, 20 something,

(23:40):
hence.
Right.
So a phenomenal number of hens.
All the, all the big toms havebeen killed except for one is left
and then there's a bunch of Jake's.
But so they fly right into themiddle of the field and right off
the roost.
I know exactly where they'reroosting, but I can't get to where
they're roosting withoutblowing them off the roost because

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it's so wide open and thismorning it's foggy.
I mean visibility.
I couldn't see into the, intothe field finally, like 30 minutes
after sunrise I would saywhere I can finally like see and
I see just these black spotslike 2 to 300 yards out into the
field already.
I'm like, all right, they're,they're down already.

(24:22):
I'm like, he's, he's going tobe close behind.
Like I know he's, he's goingto be close behind and you know,
I, whatever, 10, 15 minutes goand just there he is right with them
again.
Just like he was yesterday.
Just like he was the, the last week.
But what makes this spot sochallenging is I can't make a move
to get any closer to where I am.

(24:43):
I'm kind of have to pick aspot where I think they're going
to go to and if they go to it,great, which obviously they haven't
or if they veer off and decideto change their mind and change the
route, then I'm kind of out ofluck because I can't even make a
play because I'm a run.
I'm a run and gun style turkey hunter.
Just like, you know, for themost part what I do with deer hunting

(25:03):
and everything like that,that's what makes it fun.
Like it's great finding.
It's great being on a bird andsitting there.
But today I got bored.
I was there for, from when Igot in till like 10:30, sitting there
the whole entire time, barely moving.
And I was bored.
And it was like turkeys arecoming in.

(25:23):
But like when I have deercoming in, I'm like in the tree,
I'm excited.
Like I'm just like, oh, oh my God.
But these things took so long.
But they didn't want to leavethe middle of the field because obviously
they've been shot at.
The bird, just like their birdhad a, you know, the bird Frank has
a vendetta, has a missing tail feather.

(25:43):
He got shot at.
He has a limp.
He's limping around and he hasa missing, missing tail feather.
So I'm thinking they know notto go near the edge because you got.
Obviously they've been shot at.
Yeah, there's also been acoyote in the area that I bumped
twice last week.
So right now, they're.
They're just not.

(26:03):
They're just not going anywhere.
So, you know, it's.
It's.
It's making a real challenge,but it's not.
It's.
It's fun and I love it.
I love doing six to sevenmiles trying to find birds.
And when you do hear thatgobble, you're like, oh, wow.
Like that.
That's cool.
Especially when it's right by you.
Yep.
But then after that, you know,if you kill one or something like

(26:25):
that, like, that's what I'mstill waiting for.
But it's never gonna be like,deer or Baron in.
In my opinion.
Nope.
I.
I agree with that.
But there's nothing about, like.
There's something abouthearing that first gobble, though.
You know, when we first gotour truck, every time we heard a
gobble, I'm like, squatch,they're here.
Let's go get them.

(26:49):
I thought.
I thought Squatch was gonnatake his dick out for a second.
Yeah.
Like.
Here we go.
I was like, oh, it's that kindof show.
Yeah, right.
That type of show.
Listen, I don't know what kind of.
I don't know what kind of zoom these.
These webcams have, but you'regoing to need all of it because,
you know, and.

(27:11):
And real quick, because I'm looking.
I actually have not eatenpossum yet.
You.
Michael, stop asking ifthey've eaten possum.
Oh, my God.
I've eaten a lot of things.
I have.
Haven't eaten possum yet.
Michael.
I'm gonna get a crate.
Have a mail to.
Is that a popular question onthe show?
Does he ask.

(27:32):
Michael is an amazing kid.
He asked that every show weget on with, if we have a new guest,
everybody.
Yeah, he always asks that question.
Besides the.
The 50 million questions thathe asked, one of the questions that
he asks.
I want someone answer.
Yes.
We gotta get somebody on from,like to buy you some hillbillies.

(27:53):
There you go.
Like, damn.
Yeah, Michael, Every other dayI eat.
That breakfast and dinner allday long.
Yeah.
You know who I bet you saidthat football player Xavier.
Whatever.
Whatever.
His.
Like, he.
He's known for.
He loves raccoons.
Like he's a big southern boyand everything like that.
Where he hunts and everythinglike that.
And eats like, everything.

(28:14):
But I have not had Xavier like it.
The water.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I could see him doing.
Eating that.
Yeah, I.
I would try it.
I would definitely try It.
You know what I'm going to dosame, Michael, just for you.
One of these days here.
Coming up, I'm going to recorda video and put it on the Internets

(28:36):
with the WI fi and ask peopleif they've eaten the opossum.
And I want people to tell me,and I want people to reach out to
me and I want someone to say,yeah, I've tried possum.
I'm gonna invite that on theshow or talk about the whole hour.
Awesome.

(28:57):
Be kidding.
Michael, we love you.
We.
We.
We should have wanted to belike the.
The ones from, you know, the.
The hit list wonders thatwe've mentioned in the past.
But I won't mention any names,but they've probably eaten possum,
I'm pretty sure.
So, yeah, Dan's ate abouteverything but possum.

(29:18):
Pretty sure.
Dan.
Dan said I've eaten muskrat, beaver.
I like eating beaver.
Find elk, moose, grouse,turkey, coon, rabbit.
One without the tail and two,it's on two legs.
Yeah, Yeah, I like that deal.

(29:39):
Wink, wink.
We're getting sidetracked.
This is a PG13 show.
This show has never been PG13, dude.
This show has never even been rated.
R.
We ain't starting now.
Tell you that much.
I just want to tell you, gu.
Guys, there's a.
We have a episode that'sunreleased because it's so, like,

(30:04):
crazy.
Like, we.
We.
We went to bear camp when theyopen up the bear season.
I don't know if any Frank orany of you guys have listened to
it, but, like, we were allabsolutely hammered at bear camp
and we somehow got talkinginto like, Hannah Baron and like
all these girls.
Bianca came down and was like,oh, my God.
Instead of talking about like,like lube and butthole, like, it.

(30:27):
It was the wildest.
So like, this year we're like,all right, like, how are we going
to one up this one?
And from the get go, like, it just.
We were all yet again, justabsolutely hammered.
And I've actually been scaredto look at it and to even like, listen
to it because I actuallygenerally think this one is a hundred
times worse than the old one.
And eventually I am 100% goingto drop it.

(30:51):
I just haven't decided whenbecause I have not wanted to go on
and listen to it myselfbecause I generally do think, like,
I think it literally, likewithin the first five minutes, like,
it just starts just bad.
But that might have to besomething that's like a.
A special content where you'resome people.
I'm gonna have to put $5 for this.
Like an only fans.

(31:12):
Like a only.
There you go.
No wonder why he keepsinviting us to bear camp.
Yeah, right.
You're trying to figure howmany sponsors am I gonna lose after
I drop this.
Exactly.
It sounds like what ourIndiana camp is going to be like.
I have a feeling that episode.

(31:33):
So, yeah, we're gonna berecording at least one episode down
there that's we're not doing live.
And we're gonna release that episode.
And I'm just curious to see.
Yeah.
How many platforms we getbanned on.
We've been put on probation onFacebook quite a couple times already,
so.
Well, you know, starringtonight on the Spice Channel.

(31:54):
The Whitetail Advantage.
Spice channel.
That's 80s and 90s.
I don't even think that shit'saround anymore.
And it was.
I don't know.
That's when I jumped off thatmerry go round, I guess.
That was an old school oneright there, boy.

(32:14):
Yeah.
Spice Channel.
Tuned into the Spice Channel.
My buddy.
I'd walk into my buddy's houseand he'd be like, hey, come on, I
got the Disney Channel on.
I'm like, what?
It's like, are you watchingthe Disney Channel?
Oh, no, it's not.
Oh, yeah, Disney.

(32:36):
No, Michael, we're not callingthe mother.
And it devalues the time thatwhen she does come on the show.
Yeah.
I mean, and it is Mother's Day.
She's like.
She's like a unicorn.
She'll come on maybe once in a while.
Maybe very select time.
She's like a very.
She's like an ornery turkey.
You can't over call to her.

(32:56):
She'll just.
Anyways, let's move on here toactual some.
Let's try and talk some typeof hunting.
Now.
I know, really, this is ahunting show.
Yeah, I know.
No kidding.
This is a hunting show.
At the end of the day, we have guessed.
Have you looked?
We have guests.
Gosh, Brett, get.
Get it together or I'm gonnastart hosting.

(33:18):
I'm not the host.
Frank is.
Damn it, Frank.
I say Mike is.
I am.
I'm just a freaking, you know,pro staff guy, like organizer.
That's all I am.
Hey, does say host under yourname, Frank?
Yeah, kind of screwed up.
I didn't change it.

(33:40):
Not my fault.
The host the most.
Oh, we've been on a coupleshows now.
We've been talking.
We've been getting really into depth.
We're actually trying to bedoing more episodes of this way of
where we break down.
Yeah, we're Going to bebringing on biologists and talking

(34:01):
about all whitetail deerhunting in itself.
But we, we forget to talkabout what makes deer hunting, deer
hunting with the, the firsttime you're out hunting, what makes
a hunting story and what makesthat good memory and the, the downfalls
that you actually go through.
And we've.
On the last couple shows,we've at least two that we've done

(34:24):
so far going down this trip.
We've opened up at least Iknow I have.
I know Dave and Squanch andJohnny has.
Where we've talked about ourmost failures through hunting at
the beginning of our time andwhat we've done to overcome it.
And we've, trust me, we'regonna have more episodes about it
because we've gone through somuch and that's what hunting is about.
And we also did a recentepisode where we talked about our

(34:46):
most memorable hunts.
So I don't want you guys, Mikeand Dave either do both or one or
the other share one that'slike, you know what?
This one made me the mostfrustrated because of this failure
or this was my most memorable hunt.
Whatever.
One that kind of makes like,stands out for you guys.

(35:07):
Like what?
Like, like for instance, like,I got one of each.
You got one of each.
You can share.
Go for it.
You can go do both if you want.
All right, I'll start withthe, the hunting failure.
And this, this one obviouslygetting into.
You know, I was the first onein my family to bow hunt.
Everyone else lives in Maine,you know, they're gun hunters and

(35:27):
everything like that.
So I took the skill that I had.
But obviously bow hunting is,is much different.
So, you know, I, at this timeI'd shot some does and everything
like that, but just couldn'tget that buck for.
For whatever reason.
Like, I just, I don't know ifI would overthink it or, or not.
And I'll never forget, like itwas during the rut, something like

(35:51):
I dreamed about.
Like, all right, like it's theright time.
Like, this is what everyhunter especially getting into it.
Like, everyone imagines theirrut Hutton going perfectly.
You just got a buck cruising.
Gives you a perfect cross sideshot and everything like that.
And it connects right well, Idraw back yet again.
This.
Now the, the deer's quarteringaway at this point, 30, 35 yards.

(36:14):
I put it right where it needsto go.
And the minute I release, Iknow something is wrong.
And my drop away rest does notgo down at all.
And it stays up and it stripsthe veins of my arrow.
It actually still was able toget on target, but just dropped maybe

(36:36):
5 to 10ft too low.
It would have been a perfect shot.
And the only time, I think, inmy hunting career where I actually
felt defeated just because ofhow much time and effort goes into
everything.
The blood, sweat, and tears.
And you know, when that finalmoment when everything you've done

(36:58):
correct comes together andit's something honestly that there
wasn't really much I couldhave done about that.
It was a equipment failure.
Equipment fails at the end ofthe day.
And just the fact it was thattime that, that didn't happen at
all during the whole entireseason, Just that time where it failed
on me.
And I, I was, I was devastated.

(37:20):
It took me about five minutes.
But then yet again, you know,my normal self got bad.
I was like, what the fuck doyou have to feel sorry about?
This is hunting.
This is how things go.
It's unfortunate, but this wasa great learning lesson.
And you know, I was able tofix my bow because the drop away,
I said, nope, I'm gonna justswitch to a whisker biscuit for the

(37:43):
rest of the year and then, youknow, get a.
Get a brand new drop away next year.
And you know, those failuresmake me the hunter who I am today
and makes every hunter who,who they are.
You know, from whether you'redoing something wrong or your equipment
just fails on you or somethinglike that at the end day, it's a
part of it, it sucks.

(38:04):
But that right there was ahuge failure of mine and a huge valuable
learning lesson also.
Like, I was able to, you know,I put a lot of blame on myself too,
and it got me really down low.
That was my lowest point, Ithink, of my hunting career at that
time.
I think with.
Before you get into, beforeyou get into your most memorable

(38:26):
hunt, when it comes tofailures, you obviously have.
You have equipment that goeswrong and stuff that you did personally
wrong.
Like you accidentally clipped your.
Your.
Like if you're using an indexfinger release, you accidentally
clip the.
The release button trigger onit and the arrow flung right off
the arrow as you're on your drawback.

(38:46):
For instance, for you, youalso have the scenario where your
boat just up basically, andyou have those type of situations
out in the woods and you can'thelp nothing but yourself.
And you can't help but not getmad at yourself because it's like,
well, we all take good care ofour stuff.
It's not like we just goaround the house finding SME and
just taking our bow andbeating the.

(39:06):
Out of it.
Yeah, it's stuff that you just can't.
You.
You get butt hurt about it,but it's those ones where it's like
you.
It's something that you did wrong.
Obviously.
I think we all feel the same way.
It's going to sting just.
Just.
Just that little bit more andjust that little bit longer compared
to, oh, crap, I can't doanything about that.

(39:27):
How do I expect.
Expected to know that's notgoing to happen?
And.
And so that's something that'slike that.
Something you got to knowgoing into that in hunting and know
that's going to happen andaccept it and move on.
But it's the stuff that youcan do.
Can.
That you can control that youneed to move on from, though.
Agreed.

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Yep, agreed.
And then one of my.
So there's tons of memories,but this is.
This one.
I don't.
I haven't told this one in a while.
Not even on our show.
I said it in probably seasonone, and I don't think I've really
talked about it again, but.
So me and my buddy Kurt, wewere out hunting the same area.
He was probably like half amile away from me or whatever, and

(40:11):
just.
It was just a great hunt.
Deer all over.
I had deer coming in.
He had deer coming in.
And, you know, he sends me atext of odd.
Just shot one.
So I'm like, all right, like,screw it.
Let me.
Let me get down and make myway over over to him.
And I start making my way, andon my way, they're just deer all
over.
So, you know, the spot andstalk starts to hit in, and, you

(40:32):
know, I'm spot and stalkingand everything like that.
No success or anything like that.
And I get to basically closeto where he is, and it's like a.
There's a field, and it'sgoing straight this way.
And then you have anotherfield parallel to it.
I saw a deer walking straighttowards him, so I dropped down.
I text.
I'm like, hey, hey, hey,There's a deer coming.
There's a deer coming.

(40:53):
Right, Michael?
That's great.
Not going well.
He's not managing anymore.
It's too funny.
So we.
He's like, I don't see it.
So I continue, I walk to him,and I get to where his tree is, and

(41:16):
there's a buck literally rightbehind him.
So I dropped to the ground.
I'm like.
I'm trying to point to himlike, there's a buck, like, to him
and everything like that.
And he eventually Got got the picture.
And tell you the truth, thisdeer must have had no idea what I
was and was so curious thatinstead of running away, he actually

(41:38):
closed the.
The distance to me and gotwithin 10 or 15ft from me.
And my buddy pulled back andabsolutely smoked him.
Right here's where the deertakes off and almost runs me over.
God, like at the la.

(41:59):
Because I popped up.
So I guess when I popped up,he re.
And then he.
He immediately turned left andwent right into.
Into thicket and everythinglike that.
It was one of the craziest.
Like, I love getting thatclose to animals like it is.
It's a huge adrenaline race.
And even though I wasn't theone there to watch the whole entire

(42:20):
thing, my buddy pull back,shoot the bow, hit the deer, and
literally have the deer comefront on at me and then turn at the
last second.
We eventually found that buckand everything like that.
He was right in.
In the thicket, buriedunderneath a bunch of thorn bushes
and everything like that.
And it was still today, one ofmy favorite hunts, just because of
how close.

(42:40):
Like, how many times do yousee a deer and that deer just, you
know, just runs away?
They don't often.
They do get curious, but I'venever been that close to a deer like
this had to be like 25, 30ftfrom me to.
To this deer.
And the fact I think I justdropped so quickly just got the deer's
curiosity going and just cameright in because he had no idea what

(43:04):
I was doing, and he was tryingto figure out the whole entire time
because you could see him do his.
His head thing and everythinglike that.
And now my buddy put a.
Put a beautiful shot on, and,you know, I almost got ran over,
but I'm still here kicking for everyone.

(43:24):
That was curious what we werelaughing at.
Michael asked how my Grinderaccount is doing.
Yeah, that is freaking insane,though, Mike.
I mean, yeah, I.
I have no words for that funthing too.
Like, I've had, like, probablylike, a lot of my favorite encounters

(43:45):
with bears while hunting themor doing some type of prep work to
hunt them has all been inwithin, like, 10 or 15ft of.
Of some big bears.
I love.
I just love getting, like, upand close.
That's why I love bow hunting.
Like, I love trying to get asclose as possible to bears, to almost
anything that I'm basically hunting.
No matter.

(44:06):
I haven't gotten to, you know,a lion yet or anything like that.
I don't know how I feel when.
When that day comes, but Iimagine I will I will try to get
as close as possible to Or agrizzly bear or something like that.
But, yeah, there was a blackbear that we pat.
He passed my trail cameraright when I was coming up the ridge
to get to my stand, because Iwas trying to beat him to my stand

(44:29):
because he.
He was at my buddy's cam.
And he has this pathway thathe always walks.
So he hits that spot and thenhits my spot.
And we passed literally eachother probably by 5 or 10 yards and
pitch black where he was so close.
I can.
Right when we pass almost byeach other, I could hear his footprints

(44:51):
hit the.
The corn stalks.
And then he just took offrunning crazy.
That's why I have a buddy.
His name's Mitch.
He loves to hunt from theblinds because of that reason.
He loves to get up close andpersonal like that.
Yeah, I tried hunting from the ground.
I can't do it.

(45:11):
Not a fan of hunting from theground now.
Just because I just like thebeing able to see everything up top
like that.
That's just like.
I like.
It's already difficult enoughwith hunting deer and bear and everything
like that.
Obviously, see, with turkeys,you know, it's another thing.
Like, it's.
That's another thing I get toget used to because I'm never hunting
on the ground.
So it's like they're at, youknow, eye level or sometimes the

(45:33):
grass is.
All you can see is their.
Their head popping up andeverything like that.
So it is definitely a bit different.
But being up in a tree, I willtake 10 times out of 10 to hunt.
Even if it's one stick up, Iwould hunt for.
The only time I'd really maybesee myself hunting from a blind is
if you ever seen the crush andhow Lee gets his blind set up with

(45:56):
the corn behind him and like,all that, like, half moon stuff in
front.
Yeah, I would hunt that wayfrom a blind if I had to.
That, because he's got, like,his blind and he's got, like, a tree
stand on the other side of it too.
I would hunt that way becausethey're all funneled right there
in front of you so you don'thave to worry about them coming in
front.
Shut up, you stupid dog.
Sorry, my dog's barking.

(46:17):
I was gonna say, dude, don'ttalk to your wife that way, dude.
No, I just like you.
Why I'm in the basement.
I just like being up in a tree.
I like to see things.
I like seeing things becauseI'm not seeing deer right, like,
right next to Me at least,like on the field edge that I hunt.

(46:38):
I can see deer at 100 yardsaway and I can see those super binoculars,
and I just love watching them walk.
I love that.
That's just.
I don't know.
What about you, man?
Oh, go ahead.
All right.
What you got?
No, I was just gonna say justthe ground hunting.
I've done both tree stands,ground hunting.
Killed.

(46:59):
Killed bucks from the ground,killed bucks from the tree.
You know, just a little bit ofeverything over the years.
But I do.
I do prefer to be above theirnoses, you know?
Yeah, anything to beat theirnoses are just so, you know, they're
awesome.
They can smell a long way, man.
If you can beat their nose,you got them, you can get them.
Go ahead, Frank.

(47:20):
Yeah, no.
So I.
I would start.
I'm probably going to startwith one of my.
One of my biggest failures was.
Same thing it was at my farm.
I was bow hunting.
I.
I watched this beautiful eightpointer all.
All summer.
Kind of had them all figuredout for October 1st.
I took the whole week off the hunt.
This particular buck, becauseI knew he.

(47:43):
He's gonna come the first week.
And I went out there, I thinkit was the first three days.
Never, never seen him.
So I was starting to get kindof, you know, I was starting to beat
myself up a little bit tryingto figure out where he was, if I
was doing it right, you know,trying to figure out maybe I should

(48:03):
hunt somewhere else.
I was like, no, let me stickto my guns.
Like, I know he's gonna come down.
I know he's gonna take this trail.
One morning, got in thereearly, waited for daybreak, and stupid
me was sitting down.
And I hear noise behind me.
And he's standing.
I could literally see hishorns coming around the tree.

(48:25):
I still see it to this day.
He's coming around the tree.
I'm sitting down, my bowshanging up.
I made the biggest, like, theworst mistake you can ever make.
So I basically let him pass me.
So as he's walking past me,I'm trying to stand up slow.
I finally get up, I grab the bow.

(48:47):
Now he's like, at 15 yards,and he's facing our field.
And I'm like, all right, now,like, as soon as he starts moving
again, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna drill.
Draw back slowly.
I'm gonna let him have it.
Well, I don't know what happened.
I don't know if he.
If he heard me or maybe hekind of saw something.
But I.
As soon as I'm like, mid draw,he Jumps and runs out to the field,

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and he turns, and now he.
He's facing me.
And by the time myadrenaline's going, my heart pumping,
I come to full draw, and he'slike, at.
I think he was, like, at 22 yards.
And I rushed the shot.
He was.
He was quartering to me.
And I put it.
Where do you.
Where do you put it?

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I put it, like, right behindhis shoulder.
But I end up hitting them deadsmack in the shoulder.
I watch him.
He.
He spins around.
He.
He runs down, like, the.
The edge of our field.
I can see the arrow stickingout of him.
And I see him.
He goes probably about 200 yards.
He cuts back in the woods, andI'm like, all right.

(49:53):
So I stayed up there forprobably a good, like, four or five
hours.
I slowly get down, and I go tothe last spot where I seen him.
I looked for blood first.
I couldn't find nothing.
So I was like, all right, letme go to the last spot I saw him.
I get over there, and there'smy arrows, like, right where I see
him cut in the whole arrows there.

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So I already know I didn't getthe penetration that I was supposed
to.
I'm like, ah.
So I.
I start following.
Now.
I found, like.
I find good blood for probablyabout maybe 30, 40 yards.
Then I find a spot where hebedded down.
Now, I don't know if he wasthere when I was coming down the

(50:35):
field, and maybe he saw me andhe booked it.
But I found only one bed.
And then there was just nothing.
He just, like, vanished.
We looked for that deer.
I got, like, my whole crew.
We.
We let them.
I let them lay the rest of thenight because we own the other side
of the road, too.
So I figured if he seen me,they usually cross the road.

(50:55):
He goes on the other side.
And the thick.
We're gonna find them if.
If I got them good.
I looked for that deer for,like, three days straight.
Never found them.
Damn.
Nothing.
I was like, oh, my God, that.
I can't believe I did that.
Like, I can't believe I wassitting down, my bow was hanging

(51:16):
up.
I'm like, what an.
You know, I was like, but, youknow, I mean, it taught me a lot.
That's why, like, even.
Even Squatch told me withthose turkeys.
You know how I am now.
Like, I just.
Now I'm, like, all over theplace looking at.
Ever since that happened tome, I got, like, eyes in the back

(51:36):
of my head ever.
Ever since that day.
So.
And I still remember like, itwas yesterday.
And, you know, it was almostlike then this.
This past season when I shotthat big ten pointer out.
You know, Mike and Swatch knowabout it, and I hit him.
I almost had, like, that samesickening feeling when I shouldered

(51:57):
that.
I thought it was a good shot,but ended up not being a good shot.
But, I mean, you know, it was just.
It was just one of thosethings that happened.
We thought it looked good, man.
We thought it looked good.
We all looked at the video.
We all thought it looked good.
And, you know, it was just oneof those things where, you know,
none of us.
We were so focused on Beer'sreaction and not the penetration

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that I got.
So, I mean.
I mean that, you know, thatwas hard.
And then, you know, that following.
I think it was a couple ofdays later, I went up to New York
State.
I was like, fuck it.
Like, I got to go back out.
I gotta try again.
Go back out.
And I remember texting theguys in the group chat saying, guys,

(52:42):
I just saw the slammer eightpointer out in the field.
Like, I'm coming home with him.
I don't give a.
And the last morning I wasthere, sure enough, here he comes.
And I mean, it was like, textbook.
I shoot him at 18 yards and Ihit him high and he.
He dropped.
I hit him in the spine.

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He dropped.
I'm like, yes, I got him.
So I go to grab another arrow.
I mean, they saw the video.
We don't.
I don't know how the.
He got up real quick.
Like, it's.
I don't think I've ever seen a deer.
Like, at least from the angleit hit, like, it definitely looked
like a spine shot.
Like, it had the same exactreaction where the back legs just

(53:26):
absolutely give out.
You know, we.
We've talked about.
On the first one, a lot ofthat could have been like.
Same thing with the deer white reactor.
The way it was, was thekinetic energy and everything like
that.
And it could have honestlybeen the same thing where it.
It hit very close to thespine, but it was just with so much
force that maybe it was reallyclose to or something like that,

(53:49):
where it made everything giveout for, like, at least a good, like
30 or 45 seconds because hefalls over and, like, does the.
Yeah.
And then with just its front legs.
Is dragging its back legs.
And then all of a sudden youjust see it get up.
Like, I don't think I've everseen that.

(54:10):
And that's the only thing possible.
Like, maybe if it wasn't aspine Shot that.
It was very close.
Just that kinetic energy just.
Just not did something and,you know, made it go numb for however
long.
Yeah, I was like.
I was in shock.
I was like, no, not.
When he got up and he ran.
I was like, you got me.

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First person I.
I'm texting Mike.
I'm calling Squatch.
I'm like, it happened again.
Like, you're never gonnabelieve this, you know, and you know
squat.
Then actually ended upconvincing Squatch to take the hour
and a half drive.
Appreciate brother to comehelp me look for him anytime.
And we ended up finding them.
We ended up jumping them.

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But I went back the nextmorning, and right where we thought
he went, I found him.
So, I mean, it did have apositive outcome.
So.
But it was just.
We probably.
How many times you think wewalked by him?
At least.
At least eight or ten.
We.
We literally, like.

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You know, when you look for adeer, like, last ditch effort is
make like a graph and, youknow, you're on A, B, C, D, E, F.
And we.
We literally did that.
Me, him, and his uncle.
His uncle's like 74.
The guy's.
Guy's a riot, man.
And he's.
He's short.
He's.
He's real short.
You couldn't see.

(55:34):
You couldn't see him.
We just.
Hey, Frankie.
Frankie, I'm over here.
I don't see anything.
Where the hell is he?
You know, like, raise your arm.
We can't see you.
Lost in cattails.
Yeah.
He's like, I'm over here.
He's like, I'm over here, yousons of.
We're like, whatever.

(55:59):
But, you know, we're up there.
We.
I'm telling you.
Frank goes.
Because he called me the nextday, first day.
He goes, I got him.
I'm like, no freaking way.
Where?
And he.
We had Onx on and we hadmapped everything out.
And he's like, I'm going up here.
I'm like, all right, man.
I.
Maybe he did.
I found blood.
I'm like, all right.

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Oh, I got the neighbor's tractor.
We were up on that.
And I was up higher and Icould see him.
He was literally next to thatgreen patch that we walked by like
15 times.
I'm like, yep.
I'm like, how the hell did wemiss that freaking year?
I don't understand it.
Wow.
It was all right.
I mean, you stuck with it.
I.

(56:40):
Dude, it's an hour.
And what about 15, maybe 20 to the.
To your farm where he lives?
He had not only that thatnight before, he had to run his uncle
all the way back down, like,two hours past his house to get him
home.
And he's like, I'm coming backup tomorrow.
I'm like, you are crazy.
Really?
He's like, I'm.
I.
I can't sleep.

(57:01):
I'm going.
He got.
I don't even think you slept.
I think you just got off andwent back up there.
Yeah.
Yep.
And by.
Was it maybe 10, 9, 30,something like that?
You found him?
Yeah, Because I started doingthe graph first.
Yeah.
And then I was.
I had, like, secured one.
One side that I was like, allright, I know he's not here.

(57:23):
So when I went to go do thesecond part to where we left off,
that's when my neighbor came.
He's like, hey, man.
Like, did you find them?
I'm like, no.
Like, he's like, hey, if youwant to jump on the tractor so you
can get a higher view, like.
I'm like, well, yeah, that's agood idea.
As soon as I got his secondpass, I could see the buck laying
there.

(57:44):
I was like, you gotta be me.
The stuff, though, that wewere going through, it's like old,
like milkweed thistle and.
And, you know, like, bramblesand stuff.
It.
The stuff was nasty.
I mean, it was just.
And the hills, like, they rolldown and then they pop up again.
So there's lows, you know,like little.

(58:04):
Little, like, cubbies in there.
And, you know, for.
You know, deer are dark brown.
They're so hard to see layingon the ground, you know?
And being that they are biggerthan an elk, I'm surprised we didn't
find one, you know?
So.
Yeah.
Remember all that, right?
I do remember all that.

(58:25):
Hey, no inside jokes.
No inside jokes.
You were there.
You were there.
You were there for this one, Mike.
Yeah.
That was the train.
That was a trivia night.
Oh, duh.
I thought you said.
Tricky question.
Leave with the squats.
Still one of my favoritemoments on trivia night for us, that

(58:49):
is.
Every time I go through thatand rewatch that little clip, I just.
It.
It never gets old.
It's gonna be just.
It never will be there for therest of your life.
Stunned on his face when herealized what he did, he was, yeah,
yeah.
But he goes.

(59:13):
Yeah.
What's bigger, a squirrel oran elephant?
A squirrel, you dumbass.
What was.
Oh, wait, hold on, hold on.
I gotta think about that.
Oh, the betting question.
He got the betting question.
Another question.
That question.

(59:33):
That one was just.
Yeah.
How dare you try to trick me?
I.
Up on the first one I'll takeout from like an idiot.
But that betting one, no, seeJersey Boys.
But he ended up winning.
He screwed up twice, but heended up winning.

(59:54):
I still don't know how.
I still don't know how, whichis really bad.
I'm smart.
But when you.
When you up those twoquestions like that, or at least
one of them.
Oh, Michael.
Typing cows.
Oh, man.
Every once in a while, youknow, a squirrel finds his nut.

(01:00:16):
Brett found.
That's it.
But, oh, yeah, my mostmemorable hunt.
Let me.
Let me go back to that one.
So I have to say, same thing.
It was New York State.
It was me.
Me and my uncle, and thishappened a couple years ago.
We were just.
We were just joking around,saying, hey, like, you're.

(01:00:37):
You're going to shoot an eightpointer, and I'm going to shoot an
eight pointer within, like,the first, like, three hours.
We're both going to get one each.
So, you know, I go up in the woods.
He's.
He's hunting the field line,and all of a sudden I see this beautiful
eight pointer come and he's.
He's walking right through thecenter of our woods.

(01:00:58):
I'm like, oh, Jag got his ass.
You know, because all ourwoods is all open, so.
And this was during rifle season.
So I'm like, all right, Like,I got him and I'm waiting for him
and.
Because I thought he wascoming up to me, but then he turns
and he's going, like, backdown towards the field.
So I was like, all right,like, you're gonna have to shoot

(01:01:19):
him, Frank.
So I crank up my scope and Ijust draw my bead on him.
I put the crosshair right on him.
Literally right before I wasabout to pull the trigger, he lays
down.
He's laying down.
He's f.
He's.
He's watching our field, andhe's just.
He's laying down.
So now, like, I got no shot.
I could just see his head and,like, his ass.

(01:01:41):
That's it.
I'm like, oh, my God.
I'm like.
I'm like, you gotta be me.
Like, I should have just shothim before.
Yeah.
So I'm sitting there.
I'm like, come on, like, stand up.
I'm like.
I'm grunting at him, trying toget him to stand up.
Nothing.
He just.
He was just in his own little world.
So I'm like.

(01:02:02):
So I'm sitting there waiting,and all of a sudden I hear my.
I hear my uncle's gun go off.
I hear him bang.
I'm like, oh.
And then I hear bang.
I'm like, huh?
And then I hear bang.
I'm like, oh, no.
And all.

(01:02:22):
All of a sudden, he calls me.
He goes.
He goes, frank, I got him.
He's out in the field.
The.
The buck dropped.
I'm like, no.
He was like, yeah, yeah, I got him.
I got him.
So as I'm on the phone withhim, like, 10 does come running up.
I'm like, yo, I gotta go.
So, like, I hang up the phone,and the do's run up, like, straight

(01:02:43):
up the hill.
They get him to stand up.
These does walked him, like,within 50 yards to me, and I mean
dead broadside, out in the open.
I shot him.
He drops right there.
Then I call my uncle.
I said, mine dropped too.
I guess we got two of them.
He was so freaking excited.
Oh, I'm gonna go get the wine.

(01:03:03):
I'm gonna go get the pasta.
I'm gonna go get the cheese.
I'm gonna go.
Calm down.
Calm down.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
So then I end up, like,calling my wife, telling her, hey,
like, we got two of them.
She's like, all right.
Like, she's like, don't donothing with yours yet.
Like, I want to bring Remy up.
I want.

(01:03:24):
You know, she goes, I wantRemington to either, like, find the
deer or help you, whatever.
So I was like, all right.
So I went and looked at it.
Of course.
I was like, all right.
Like, now I gotta leave it,like, to wait until they get up here.
So then just to see, like, thelook on my son's face when he's walking,
and he's like, dad, dad, Dad.
I found it.
Because I was like, I thinkit's over here somewhere.

(01:03:45):
Because it was like, therewasn't a blood trail, so I couldn't
have him really follow it.
So I was like, I think thedeer went somewhere over here.
And he almost tripped over,like, six times.
And I'm like, no, no running.
I was like, come back this way.
I think he went this way, you know?
And when he found it, he wasso happy.
And then he helped me.
He was helping me drag it andgot it.
It was just.

(01:04:05):
It was awesome, man, too.
That was definitely myfavorite one.
How old is.
How old is your kid?
Not now.
He's four.
He'll be five in December.
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
We talked about this kind ofpretty much on Sunday show, Getting
your kids involved in theoutdoors and what it basically is

(01:04:27):
bestowed upon you as a parentnow to teach your kids the outdoors
and teach Them life lessonsand on top of all these other values
that you need to know.
But with us as hunters, man,it's just to be able to teach your
kids that.
I know Dave, he can speak moreabout this as well, more than what

(01:04:48):
we can.
But just coming from my sideand Frank's side, I'm assuming only
because our kids are so youngand they're the same age.
It's something that I'mextremely looking forward to.
And just seeing the excitementat this young age right now is amazing.
Besides, my daughter, she'sjust a wild cat.
I don't.
I can't figure her out yet.

(01:05:09):
She's done.
She's not against hunting, butshe's not for it.
It's like, I don't know, she'slike, oh, look at the pretty deer.
Don't kill them becausethey're my friends.
But my son, I'll be cuttingthe deer and he'll just dive right
in.
Yay.
Yeah.

(01:05:30):
So, yeah, it's a whole different.
I will say that it's a wholedifferent thing.
I thought with like mypersonal accolades with the bucks
that I've killed in my past,that each one, as they got bigger
and bigger, it was like, it'slike, yes, you know, I, I better.
This one, this one's bigger.
This one's big.

(01:05:50):
This one's nice.
I'm getting this one mounted.
And then I took my old.
My second oldest out for thefirst time.
And then he shot a doe openand morning, a youth hunt.
And then it was.
It, right.
It changed.
It was like all the otherbucks and deer that I've killed in
my life didn't mean anything.

(01:06:11):
Like they all kind of faded away.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And then, you know, and hedecided he didn't want to hunt no
more.
You know, he went to themarines, which is fine.
But now my 17 year old, he'slike a die hard.
And then when he killed hisfirst buck, it was kind of the same
thing.
You know, I.
I cried for both, on both of them.

(01:06:32):
When they both got their firstdeer, I cried.
It was like I was so proud.
And in that moment, I waslike, I don't care if I ever deer
hunt again.
If I take them hunting andthey get a deer, it kind of changed.
And it was really weird for me.
I felt really weird, like Iwas turning gay or something.
And it was, it was just, it was.

(01:06:53):
It was the weirdest feeling.
That's like, you know, I justthought that, that I don't care if
I hunt anymore.
But I didn't.
Because you're so proud.
Yeah.
Of what your kids become.
And he got their first deerand you were there with him.
Yeah.
Doing that.
I can't wait for that.
Yeah.

(01:07:13):
It's a.
Yeah.
I.
I can't even explain the feeling.
And I thought maybe when my 17year old shot his deer, it'd be a
little different, you know,because I already went through that
with my other son and it wasn't.
Yeah, it wasn't.
No.
Yeah.
And they're just like, why inthe you crying?
And I says, when you havekids, you'll get it.
Yeah, right.

(01:07:34):
I mean, shut the up and go gut it.
I mean, even when I have,like, even with my son, like, he'll
help me skin deer.
And he's like, daddy, hurry up.
I want to eat them for dinner.
And I'm like, well, we got toskin them first.
And he's like, oh, oh, okay.
It's just like, just how they are.
It's just.
You can't beat it, you know?
Like, it's just.

(01:07:54):
It's awesome.
Yeah.
I can't wait for you guys togo through that.
Can't wait.
So I.
I can't remember if this deerwas before or after Fim Chug, because
it all kind of lumps together,but you would think so.
I remember my first timegetting my first deer with my dad
and what it was, but I don'tremember his reaction.

(01:08:17):
The reason I say that isbecause I'm assuming it was more
like just pure joy of like,oh, wow, I just saw my son get his
first deer.
And it was a.
It was a buck too, on top of my.
But for some reason, you wouldthink seeing my dad's reaction of
me shooting my biggest deer ofmy life a couple years ago, I would
see like some type of rememberhis reaction.

(01:08:39):
And I do.
But some reason this reactionon this other deer wasn't honestly
as big as him.
But when I went over there, wedidn't have to track the.
Because I saw him dive 50yards away from me and I text him,
yeah, he's dead.
Come down here and get him.
It just seemed like anotherday getting a deer.
But for some reason this deer,we're looking at him and we both

(01:09:04):
just looked at each other andjust his face of just like.
Yeah, like, just like hisreaction of me getting the deer.
And like I said, this deer wasnothing like big or fancy, anything
like that, at least in my opinion.
But just to see him react thatway when the deer was already there,
I don't Know, and I kind ofguess I'm kind of going off of what

(01:09:26):
you said, Dave, of to see yourown kid have that type of success.
And I think I was just goingon high of two deer.
And then I got the next year.
The next year or somethinglike that.
But I was just excited to have.
I.
I really don't remember whatit all was, but some reason about
that deer and his reactionwith that.
And this is only like two orthree years ago.

(01:09:47):
Yeah.
But I bet you if you ask himabout it, it would be different if
you asked him about it.
Yeah, well, I asked.
Yeah, he probably remembers.
Your one hair that I did onyour head was blowing in the wind.
And, you know, I did.
I did ask him.
I did ask his dad.
Oh, that's right.
Over at dinner.

(01:10:08):
Well, what happened was hejust picked up Brett from the ballerina
shop, and, you know, he'slike, son, son, look, put down the
tutu and the slip and justcome out in the woods with me.
Just.
Just please, I want to justsee if we can really make you a man.
I don't want to.
I want a dance.
Yeah, he was doing this.

(01:10:30):
He was doing the Stewart, youknow, and.
And then the next thing youknow, he finally got up in the stand
and the.
The buck was drunk on apples,from what I understand.
And it.
It stumbled over a log, it raninto the tree, it passed out, and
Brett shot the arrow in it,and that's why he didn't have to
crack it.
Yeah.

(01:10:51):
For one time in Brett's life,his dad was proud of him.
So, I mean, that was, you know.
Really good job, kid.
You killed a drunken, passedout buck.
You're a killer.
Brett felt like a tough guy,and he went and got a bunch of prison
tattoos.
And now he's.
Got a tramp stamp of an antleron his ass cheeks.

(01:11:17):
It's shape of a heart.
Okay.
Yeah.
Hey, does me back freckle.
Yeah.
Wrinkles.
Yay.
I kid you not.
I'll say this before tonight's show.
My Nick.
One of my nicknames when I wasworking at the sheriff's department

(01:11:37):
was sprinkles.
I shook you not.
So I was.
I wasn't on the road at thispoint in time.
Oh, my gosh.
I was working.
And I kid you not.
So one of the.
The.
I think it was aroundChristmas time, one of the bail bonds

(01:11:59):
agencies brought in some donutholes for everyone that was working
the afternoon crew.
And.
Look how many I could put inmy mouth.
I love donut holes.
Each side of the jail got likea dozen, like two dozen boxes of
donut holes.
So I'm reaching.

(01:12:19):
I got some of mine.
I'm like, oh, these sprinkleones are amazing.
Is there any more?
And they're like, yeah,there's some sprinkled ones left
down the sergeant's office.
And I book it and you couldsee me down the window.
Operators like, why the.
Is Paul Ryan down the hallway?
Is there a fight somewhere?
They said no.
Sprinkles is going to get moresprinkled donut.

(01:12:42):
Sprinkles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that.
That's one of my stories of sprinkles.
Wow.
Anyways, what an amazing nightof talking about hunt, that's for
sure.
Hell, yeah.
It was great.
Mike, Frank, thank you so muchfor coming on for tonight's show.
I would say Squatch and Dave,thank you, but you have no choice.

(01:13:03):
Anyway, before we ask everyonehow we can find you guys, Frank and
Mike, these guys are actuallygoing to come in back on the show
again for our trivia night,Stump a chump.
And it's going to be WhitetailAdvantage versus Boondocks.
And we're also going to bedoing through this event as well,

(01:13:24):
our own tallying of.
So I think Squatch is runningthe next upcoming show.
It's going to be on June 29th.
It's Sunday, June 29th, andright now, Dave has one win.
We've been doing it once so far.
We're going to be doing oursecond time.
And throughout this event ofWhitetail Advantage verse Boondocks,
everyone on WhitetailAdvantage is getting scored as well.

(01:13:46):
So whoever wins at the end ofit, we're going to be getting a title
belt.
And that person has it for thefull year for bragging rights that
Johnny.
Gave away the secret.
Yeah, Johnny gave away the secret.
I have one being designed.
You know, it'd be a great idea.
We did a WWF belt for the winner.
Brett's like, you dumbass.
That's what I was gonna do.

(01:14:08):
Freaking tool bag.
Cancel that order, please.
Yeah, I don't want that order.
That seems gay.
Now, Mike, how can peoplereach out to you and follow along
your journey, brother, and askyou, everyone, you can.
Follow us at Boondocks huntingon Instagram, YouTube, everything
like that.
And then our shows.

(01:14:28):
If you.
If you want to look that upand not use Boondocks Hunting, you
can use the Garden CityOutdoors podcast and also the Chase
the Unknown podcast, theGarncy Outdoorsman podcast.
That's on every singleplatform, I think imaginable, I think.
And then that it?
Of course.

(01:14:50):
Where do you think Frank and I met?
Come on, dude.
Come on, man.
It's even.
We had to come up with some story.
What is that old one, Scott?
Skinimax.
Skinny Max.
The good stuff.
Yeah.
What a while.

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After hours now.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Nice Spice Channel.
Oh, my God, man.
When they say whitetails,those aren't whitetails.
Yeah.
Think things are starting tomake sense.
Why your guy's name is what it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's finally clicking alonghere, brother.

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We're the new sprinkle.
Yeah, we're gonna be the newSprinkles Advantage.
Oh, boy.
That's too funny.
What about you, man?
Yeah.
So I go.
You can find me on broadsideAmbush Frank on Instagram.
Also find me on the garden,stay outdoors and podcast.

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Also have another Instagramwhere it's Frank Hunter 6.
You can also find me there.
I swear, when he was gettingready to say how you can find him,
I thought he was going to say,you can go yourself.
I already did that, Frank.
You go.
You go yourself.
You want to go find me?

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Google me.
Google me.
That would have been a goodanswer, Frank.
I would have, man.
Next one.
Next time.
Next time.
Yeah.
Google me.
Frank, Dave, Squatch and Mike,thank you so much for coming on tonight's
show.
We appreciate it and we willsee you guys next Tuesday.

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All right, bro.
You guys.
Yeah.
Good night, guys.
Oh, man.
Love those guys.
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