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In this week's Wicked Psychotherapists, Erin and Tanya dive into the 1999 classic Big Daddy—a hilarious Adam Sandler film that surprisingly packs a serious punch about arrested development, generational pressure, and why so many people get stuck in "failure to launch" mode.
From fake five-year plans to learning how to adult (badly), we talk about the fear of growing up, why career pressure is real, and how the smallest relationships can kickstart major change.
We also share our own floundering paths, our favorite ice cream memories, and what to do when life feels stuck. It’s funny, honest, therapeutic, and totally wicked.
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Hey everyone, it's Tanya.
Hi, it's Erin and welcome toWicked Psychotherapist.
So today, welcome back orwelcome if this is your first
time.
we're gonna be continuing ourobsession, with Adam Sandler.
And talking about the 1999classic.
big Daddy.
we decided to talk about thisbecause, well, Adam Sandler, but
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also it has a lot of themes inthe movie that are presented
that we think are, areinteresting, but just it's
hilarious.
classic Adam and some otherpeople in there that, I actually
just remembered Kevin is playedby.
John Stewart.
John Stewart.
Yeah.
And he's got his, he's got, RobSchneider in there.
Of course his buddies aroundhim.
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And the guy who plays, SteveBuscemi, who plays the, homeless
guy.
And then also, I never canremember this poor guy's name,
but the one who, was in Mr.
Deeds and was pretending to besick.
And, you know, like worked inthe, airport, like on the
landing area.
Like he's always in all hismovies too.
I don't remember his nameeither.
And hopefully if you're an Adamfan like us, you remember it
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too.
Yeah.
You're like, oh yeah, that's,that's how.
And so, yeah.
But, yeah, so I, I rewatchedthis again.
I definitely saw this back inthe nineties, right at the turn
of the millennia, which is so,so scary to think about.
That was 26 years ago.
let's take a breath for thatone.
But, yeah, it's this, this movieis pretty classic because it
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talks about, and kind of goesover how Adam Sandler's
character, Sonny, Sonny Koufax,he's just kind of this
freewheeling bachelor.
He's not really serious aboutanything.
He is like in his earlythirties, 32.
he was going to law school.
I don't know if he quit or justdidn't continue on with it
afterwards.
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but he, is coasting in life, notreally doing anything He's kind
of just goofing off, messingaround at the park.
He's trying to trip escape.
It's like, what do I do?
Let me just throw sticks at themor see what happens if gets into
their wheel.
I have nothing else to do duringthe week.
I can't stop, whatever.
I watch that movie.
I can't get those images out ofmy head for a while.
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he wants to, casually puts astick in there and is like, oh,
and the skateboard go flyingheadfirst into the pond and he
is like, oh, there's a stickthere.
You might wanna watch out forthat.
but he's that level of maturityright in this movie.
yeah, so he very much is kind ofa, he is riding off of this
settlement he got from a carrunning over his foot two years
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ago or something like that.
And kind of acting like that sethim back.
But really it's himself thatright.
he's set back.
He's just kind of, you know,doing nothing.
he's eating cereal, watchingcartoons and tripping people at
the park and going and visitinghis friends and just kind of,
you know, working one day a weekas like a booth operator.
Nothing against that, but doingthe bare minimum Of what he
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maybe could, he kind of getsstuck at this age or this time
period.
You know, just not wanting tomove on.
Just frozen.
He's got the failure to launch,arrested development kind of
thing going on.
he's really, hapless and thefirst scene that we see him and
he's fighting with hisgirlfriend because she's just
fed up with him.
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She knows that he's.
A lay about, he is not doinganything with his life.
She's just tired of it.
He's immature.
And, he's like, well, you know,I really don't, I don't want you
to, to, to come on.
Like, don't leave me.
And she's just like, no, youdon't have your stuff together.
I don't wanna be with someonelike that.
And so right off the bat, yousee he's just all around.
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Not winning in life at all.
he's losing, and then from thatpoint on, he is just, depressed.
his whole focus is, how do I getVanessa the girlfriend back?
you know, he's got thiscontentious relationship with
his roommate's girlfriend whobecomes his fiance.
He doesn't want his friend topropose to her at the party.
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So he.
Kind of ruins it and shouts itbefore his roommate gets a
chance to do it.
he's stuck in time and he wantshis friends to kind of be stuck
with him.
But they're all moving on tojobs and, they're all lawyers.
he, formally was in school, butjust didn't finish.
So he's setting up kind of alife of isolation of not being
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like what we used to termslacker.
Right?
Yeah.
You know, or maybe still do, Idon't know.
he's just not, he's just not,going anywhere.
And he's, you know, saying, oh,I'm happy and this and that, but
he's realizing everybody else ismoving on.
And that's what makes themunhappy.
And they're not really likingthat they have to.
Pay his bills or take care ofhim and it's just not cute or
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funny anymore.
It comes to a point when you're,when you start advancing in life
or you start having this careerand you have this person who,
yeah, who's just kind of has thefailure to launch It's hard to
be around that when you wannagrow up or you wanna not be
stuck in that immaturity.
Yeah.
And I think Sonny also uses theaccident.
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Like he kind of tries to make itout like it's bigger than it
was.
I think his foot probably neededsome help a couple years back,
but it's probably been fine.
he just kind of keeps springthat up.
Like to his girlfriend when shewas leaving, he was like, I had
an accident.
You know, like it's, I have adisability yeah, he uses a lot
of excuses I think he'srealizing everybody else is
moving on and he really doesn'twant to, something is just
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keeping him stuck there.
Mm-hmm.
It's like a fear.
A fear of maybe moving, fear ofbecoming an adult.
And maybe he doesn't wannabecome like his father too,
because his father is a lawyer,a successful lawyer?
maybe Sonny's just like, I don'twanna be pressured into it, or I
don't wanna become like him.
Yeah, because his dad is kind ofan overbearing, authoritative,
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not so, understanding person.
And maybe he sees that as like,I don't wanna turn out to be
that way.
And maybe he thinks if he goesdown that career path, he'll be
the same.
He'll just do repeating history,so maybe he just stays stalled.
Yeah.
Just guaranteed that that's whoI'll be.
But it's not, and I don't thinkSunny's able to see that.
So instead it's just like, I'lljust stay.
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Home and just eat my cereal onthe couch.
Do.
Yeah.
And I, I do think it is a, apivotal moment.
Of course, when, this young boywho's like, what, five or so
Julian shows up at his door,just gets dropped there, there's
a message saying like, you'rethe father.
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He ends up figuring it out thatit's for his Kevin, his roommate
Who's in China at the time doingbusiness or whatever.
And so he decides, well, I'll,I'll take him in until Kevin
gets back and, take care of him.
Like how hard could it be?
Right.
And, he learns it's pretty hard.
It's not that simple.
it's not even close to having adog.
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Often imitates caring for him byputting down newspaper if he
wets the bed or spills somethingon the floor.
Yeah.
He just like, we'll just hideit.
We'll just cover it.
We don't even need to clean it.
That's it.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, he starts teachingJulian, all these methods that
are just so, not helpful.
Yeah.
not development.
Just frat boy.
Mentality of like, all right.
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Drop it and let it stay.
Newspaper that's getting allblack and the ink that comes off
or whatever.
well yeah, well, Tanya's overanalyzing every, but, I do that.
it just makes me sick, But I'msure, he does become the smelly
kid, so I'm sure he stinks.
I'm sure he is not.
Being told, okay, let's put onsome clean underwear or
whatever.
It's just like, all right, thiswill do, get dried off.
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No, I'm not blaming the kid.
I'm blaming Sonny.
that's so gross that the kidwouldn't know, but, at the time
it seems like Sonny wasprobably, maybe Sonny was even a
little depressed or something.
So Sonny's not probably high onthe hygiene thing either.
He's probably not thinking oflike, oh yeah, I have to take a
shower every day, or let me, youknow, so the kid is gonna have
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to take a bath or a shower eachtime he pees his pants.
he's just not putting himself inthe shoes of someone who is
taking care of someone else,right?
he's not used to really havingto go to work and face people
and having to, you know, like heworks in a toll booth where he
can just kind of be in his own.
Literal place.
Right.
Like his own little, kind ofbubble.
And, probably wouldn't face anyif he did show up smelling like
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pee or sweat or whatever yuckything, nobody would really say
anything.
So he's like, yeah, whatever.
But he decides he wants this towork because he wants to try and
make an instant family to showVanessa the girlfriend who left
him like, Hey.
I'm responsible.
I have a family.
I'm a family man now.
Right.
You know, like I got a kid and Ikept him alive, so I'm a family
man.
'cause that was one thing thatshe's like, you're, you're
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mature.
You don't know what you'redoing.
You're stuck.
I need someone with a five yearplan.
So what better way than saying,okay, well I have a kid, here's
my five year plan.
Yeah.
But, yeah, it's a pretty, it's apretty poorly thought out one,
not to mention he's, you know,committing fraud by Yeah.
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He could end up in jail.
Thank you, Kevin.
Yeah.
And, you know, all this othergood stuff, which again, I know
is an over analyzation, butthose, those things stick out to
me because I am me.
there is kind of this point, Ithink when he starts to realize,
oh wait, this is, you know, heshows him these, these tricks,
these funny, like.
Soms, right where he goes and hetrips.
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you know, skaters at the park,he shows, you know, Hey, that's
funny.
Go ahead and throw it, throw itin front of people and say, Hey,
I got one.
And he outside.
You know, if you kind of can'tfind a bathroom and put
newspaper down, all these tricksthat eventually when, when, oh.
And he lets him name himself andhe, and he chooses his name,
Frankenstein.
Yeah.
And he is like, all right, allright, that's good, that's good.
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And he is like, you know, hethinks he is discovered this
whole new parenting style andhe's just like a genius.
And he is like, see, he has togo to school.
He does the right thing.
I just let him do what he wants.
Like kids will get there, youknow?
And his friends are like, ohyeah, okay, okay, sure.
And, but then he realizes he'swrong because the, the teacher
wants to speak to him once hedoes go to school, and it's
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basically like he's the smellykid.
He pees on the floor or in aplant or whatever, Tries to trip
kids by throwing sticks.
Throws sticks in front of themHe puts newspaper down when he
drops something or spillssomething.
It's like not normal behavior.
So then he's like, she was like,I've never seen this in like 40
years of teaching.
She's like an older woman.
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So it's like, and all of thatdidn't affect him until he's
like the smelly kid.
You can't be the smelly kid.
That's the thing that got him.
It's like, oh, I made him thesmelly kid.
Oh, he's the smelly kid.
No, no.
That's like the worst insultever.
because that sticks.
'cause you know, like you alwayslike whatever happens in like
middle of school or high school,you're like, you're elementary
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even it was like, oh my god, youdon't want that to stick.
You don't want that to stickthrough all of your years of
school.
Yeah.
Smelly whatever.
Yeah.
Or stinky whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
'cause kids will, kids will hangon to anything they can.
Yeah.
he starts to get serious and islike, okay, we gotta take baths.
We gotta set up a routine.
We gotta eat some better food.
And of course, Frankenstein orJulian, is, kind of rebellious
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towards that because he'salready gotten a taste of like,
no, this is what I wanna do,this is fun.
Yeah.
It's nice having the freedom.
It's nice being friends.
Hanging out.
Yeah.
And just kind of eating junkfood till I pass out and yelling
at the screen and breakingthings and mm-hmm.
So he gets really, you know,kind of like, okay, I gotta, I
gotta try and get this kid to dothings.
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And he's coming up against like,oh, how do I, how do I show
routine and discipline to thiskid when I haven't been showing
it to him?
Yeah.
Why would he know that?
You know, he's kind of, it'sjust dawning on him now and so
he starts to realize like, oh,I've gotta be a role model.
I've gotta kind of do thesethings, but also like come up
with a creative way and hedresses up like his favorite
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toys.
Scuba seeds.
Yeah.
He's like, you gotta stay cleanand eat foods that are good for
you.
Yeah.
Thanks Steve.
You know, he like all sudden hetrying to be, be a really good
boy, just doing everything.
Yeah.
Scared straight.
Yeah.
School bus.
School bus.
Steve.
Yeah.
And he was, he was like, youknow that, I thought that was a
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good creative way of, ofhandling that.
See, you could see that Sonnyreally cares, you know, he
really is starting to, you know,really bond with this kid and
see that his own behavior isconnected to this kid's
behavior.
This is like the first time he'shad to look outside of himself
and.
That definitely will change youa little bit and make you grow
up.
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Mm-hmm.
And so that's kind of the firstright ding there of like, ah, I
gotta, gotta do some responsiblestuff.
but then he tries to get Vanessaback and at this point Vanessa
is with an old man, Sid.
Yeah.
Sid, who's probably like, Idon't know.
And Sid's probably thirties.
Yeah.
And Sid's at least 70.
He is, he's old.
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Yeah.
He's an old, I mean, for, forthem, you know, he's, he is
older for them, and she's like,he's mature.
He has a five year plan.
And Sonny gets mad because hefigured, oh, this'll be the
perfect plan to win her back.
what better way to show maturitythan having a kid to take care
of and, yeah.
He's just upset and really like,oh wow.
And then he kind of starts torealize this is a lot.
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And it didn't even get me what Iwas setting out to get, which is
really, really crappy for thekid.
Yeah.
I've done all this work, andit's kind of like, oh wait, was
I, and the kid's little, likeJulian's little, so it's like
he's not gonna realize like thathe's just a pawn.
But it is probably like, oh.
Is Sonny not gonna keep me?
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What's happening?
He's not, you know, this woman Ithought was gonna be, we were
gonna become instant family.
Yeah.
And he's also in his, you know,when he, Sonny goes back to the,
the social services personinforms him that Jillian's
mother had died.
That's why she was kind of, Iguess, leaving him with the
biological father, Kevin.
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Realizes he'll have to go intofoster care.
And you know, Sonny's like, oh,I don't want that.
And so he kind of is like, oh, Igotta, you know, I'll keep him
until, you know, we can figuresomething out.
he cares enough about that.
And he is realizing, oh wait, Icare, I made a bond with this
kid.
And by then, I mean, he's a partof his life.
He's going to the park with him.
he's trying to teach him like,be kind, like put up signs and
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be like, be careful over hereinstead of throwing the stick
Even though the Steve BMI'scharacter, the homeless guy, he
is like, he goes flying into thepond.
Anyways, he is like, oh, hi.
And then he just goes flyingSteve bmi.
I know we've said this before.
I wish we might have to go downa rabbit hole of Steve Bini
movies.
He is just the best.
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I love him.
Yeah, he is really funny.
He plays some really funnycharacters.
He's just, he must just be sucha character in real life.
Too.
I do like him.
Just so interesting.
I didn't like him for a longtime for, he reminded me of
someone I didn't like But I dolike him now.
But yeah, you know, he tells hisdad about the kid, his dad's
like, you're gonna mess that kidup, you know, and nobody really
seems to have faith and Sonny'sjust, really starting to
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realize, wait, I'm ontosomething because there's
something good here.
Yeah.
I bond with this kid and thiskid listens to me.
he's, doing well, after somechanges and adjustments.
and he's seeing too that he'sable to take care of something
or someone besides himself andthere's a world outside of just
himself, which is really openingup things for him.
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Yeah.
And that is probably helping himto have a little bit more
maturity.
And realizing that, oh, youknow, taking care of Julian,
making sure that he thrives and,you know, does well in school
and gets dressed, gets fed, isprobably making him want to
become an adult.
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Making Sonny wanna grow up.
Yeah.
So he's, they're both kind ofgrowing and developing.
Together and this fear ofadulthood that he has moving on
to the next phase is suddenlynot that scary when he can face
these other things and realizelike, oh, I can, I can do this
with this, this kid, and Ireally care about this kid.
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It was like through that, but herealized he can move through it.
Some of those obstacles andthose fears, Yeah, and I think
also just, really finding ameaningful relationship with
someone.
Like, I don't think he'd everestablished that even with
Vanessa.
He just was kind of goofingaround on his time.
He, played like watch hockeyand, wouldn't really, they
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wouldn't really do anythingtogether, but he developed a
good bond with this kid, and hereally wants him to.
And so I think that really kindof changed his perspective
around too.
but yeah.
And, you know, so we, we seethat then the social worker
discovers, oh wait, this is not,this is not Kevin, his roommate.
This is, and how long it took.
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Him to real her to realize like,oh wait, this is Sonny Kova and
not, not the Kevin that I'mlooking for is so crazy.
And like, how did he discover itto all of a sudden then if he
didn't, like he didn't ask forId the first time around.
Yeah.
Like, I don't, I don't know, butwhatever.
Details, nineties details.
Yeah.
You know, nineties of it all.
but yeah, and he, he's like, oh,well I gotta take him.
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I gotta take him.
And then he realizes how much,you know, They really love each
other, you know, really careabout each other.
When, oh, you know, he's beingtaken away from me and he's, the
only thing he wants is Sonny.
Right.
You know, that's the person he'sbeen to and he said.
I can, I'm not gonna say exactlywho stuff, but I can wipe
myself.
You don't have to worry.
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I'm here, I can take care ofmys, I can do something.
He just wants to stay.
He's like, I love you.
Yeah.
and Sonny's just like goesberserk and enlists the help of
Layla, who's a lawyer and.
His friends who are lawyers, andI guess Kevin somehow gets a
whole, like, he's got all theselawyers representing him.
Well, and Kevin's not reallythrilled at first, about the
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whole situation.
Because he kind of had this lifeplanned with Corinne.
And he's, you know, wasn't readyfor a child.
And he also, then it forcesKevin to have to explain some of
his past and try to go back andremember and tell Corin this
woman who he wants to marry andbe with, Corinne always puts
Sonny down for being immaturebut the person she's going to
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marry has some skeletons in hiscloset.
A lot of secrets.
on the outside Kevin appears tobe really mature but he's not
able to commit.
So he is cheating and he isdoing other stuff or you know,
it's just, you know, he's justshowing it in a different, his
immaturity in different way thanSonny has.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I always thought that was kindof, kind of ironic because he
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seems to be like, oh,professionally he's all above
board, but like there's otherthings that would think
emotionally, they went awayemotionally, professionally too,
but emotionally and, gosh, whatis the other word?
Why can't I.
Personally, emotionally andpersonally.
He's just seems like hestruggles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, they, they go tocourt for, you know, it's a, to
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see where Jillian will end up.
you know, Jillian says, no, Iwant, I wanna be with, so, and
he cries upset.
And people really see how, howmuch Sonny has grown in this.
Yeah.
And how he really stepped up andhe really, I mean, he could have
just, you know, said, Hey, Idon't, I, this isn't my kid.
And returned him to, to be in afoster, you know, foster family
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or foster care.
And, he actually took this oneven though it was tough and he
struggled and yeah, he mademistakes, but he still did a lot
more than mm-hmm.
So, yeah, it really shows his,his character, I think.
And then even his dad is therein the courtroom and so a lot of
people who really didn't takehim seriously or weren't there
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for him show up at this time.
They start to realize how muchthis is.
Helped him grow.
That he really does.
he has a meaningful purpose herein connection.
but that's not how the storyends.
It still ends pretty happy.
it's not like a neat bow, butit's wrapped up.
You know, for the most part.
A nice ribbon, I guess.
Yeah.
And.
You know, they, you realize atthe end that, kind of skips
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ahead, you know, and just kindof tells you what, what's
happened in the meantime.
Mm-hmm.
That Sonny is with Layla, who wedidn't even actually, we didn't
even really mention Layla.
Did we?
Yeah.
Well, okay, so let's quicklytalk about Layla.
So Layla is Corinne's sister,and Sunny always makes fun of
Corinne because she worked atHooters in the past, and now
she's a, is she a pediatrician?
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What is she?
She's some sort of doctor.
I know.
She's a doctor.
But I think Sunny starts torealize,'cause he does like
Layla and Layla's so sweet.
And she likes, you know, shelikes Julian.
'cause you know, she's just anice person.
I think that also made, so startquestioning his own.
Present of not finishing his barand not being a lawyer.
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'cause not all lawyers are likehis dad.
You can be kind and nice andLayla seems to kind of
understand, you know, like whereso is struggling and not
judging, you know, she doesn'tseem like she judges him so
much.
Like, I'll change, I'll do this.
And where Layla, it seemed like,okay, it's more supportive.
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Vanessa had like the five yearplan of like, it was just about
kind of finance that successbased on, in that category.
Whereas Layla is very, yeah,sees him and there is a point
where she kind of feels like,well, this is too much.
I didn't ask you to bring thiskid into my life.
I don't know if I want this.
But then, you know, obviouslyshe changes her mind.
And, you see at the end thatSonny has returned to, he is a
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lawyer now, he's with Layla.
They have a baby.
And Julian slash Frankenstein,I'm guessing he goes by Julian,
is with Kevin and Corrine andcalls them dad and mom.
Yeah.
And then they're at Hooters.
Sid and Vanessa are workingthere.
And That's their five year plan.
Yeah.
He's like, oh, is this your fiveyear plan?
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Oh, he's like the cook and she'sa waitress and Yeah, but Sid's
really happy.
It's like, Hey, Sonny.
Yeah.
that's how it ends.
It kind of shows The journey ofhow he grows through this block
that he has, and he learnslessons about himself Fatherhood
and self-growth and how he seeshimself and being what he wants
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to be and not having to beafraid of it.
Right.
Because he was kind of put,trial by fire sort of, But yeah,
he had to kind of just be thrownin there and then realize what
it is he wants and how to getthat, I would say a lot of times
with examples in real life thatpeople don't necessarily have
this setup where they're like,they just dropped outta law
school and they're kind of justa little bit floating.
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It's more like they've been kindof floating for a while.
And they don't necessarily havelike, just law school to go back
to and it's, you know, kind ofthat easy.
I would say there's a little bitmore obstacles in the way, but
yeah, I mean sometimes youdon't, I think I told you I was
a floater.
Like I had, I dropped out one inprobably like three or four
different majors before Ifigured out what I wanted to do.
And sometimes you just don'tknow because sometimes it's
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like, do I go the same route asmy family?
or what is it that I should, youknow,'cause I know growing up I
always had the pressure tobecome a nurse because my
grandmother was a nurse, Unclewas a psychologist.
So then I had that pressure, youknow, of like, maybe you should
do that.
My dad has a lot of lawyers inthe family, so I was like, oh my
God, what do I wanna do?
I'll do nothing.
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So like, it just was like reallystressful.
'cause I would just try a littlebit, like, let me try medical
terminology, see if I like nurseand ugh, let me do this.
You know?
So it was just so, until finallyI was like, oh.
You know, psychology, you know,I like, you know, started
different nonprofit, differentnonprofit.
I worked at, like working withpeople and I was like, oh, I
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like this.
And it just made me realizelike, okay, I think I wanna
become a therapist.
So it took me a while.
It was like a lot of things.
So I wasn't just, working fivehours a week like sunny.
Just trying to figure out Yeah,that was, you didn't have that
luxury of, of just kind of Yeah,I had to, yeah.
I had to work more than fivehours because I'd probably be
homeless.
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And I think, we know people, wesee people.
We may have bend those people,right?
Yeah.
And there's, there's differentfactors that, that go into that.
So it is, it is relatable.
Yeah.
I think to a degree, I think to,to the amount that he just, you
know, maybe.
At a certain point was justlike, Hey, I just don't wanna be
a lawyer.
Maybe I just don't wanna be likemy, my dad, and maybe I just
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don't want that type of lifethat it could just kind of scare
him off Yeah.
And I, I've definitely hadclients, who've had kind of this
failure to launch or not reallysure where to go and feel like,
okay, I'd rather just do nothingthan Do something.
And, that can be, a fair amountof them.
especially in this youngergeneration, where career change
is pretty Standard.
And also there is so muchpressure now for people, right
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when they get out of highschool, or even when they're
still in college they have thisexpectation, and I know we've
talked about this in pastpodcasts, where it's like all of
a sudden I'm gonna be at tiertwo or three in my company.
I'm not gonna just start as anintern.
there's this expectation thatpeople want to be management or
higher or this high levelsomething.
(25:45):
Sometimes you have to just startat the bottom and sometimes
people are like, well, if Ican't do it.
then I'm not gonna do it Thathappens too.
Clients who have that kind offailure to launch.
'cause it's like, ah, I don'twanna be in the in-between.
I don't wanna do the work to getthere, so I'm gonna just stall.
Like it seems like, is thisgonna be worth it?
So I don't really necessarilywanna go there if it's not gonna
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be worth it to put in all thistime.
So it can be tough.
It definitely is something thatwe see a lot.
I think more and more frequentlywith the incoming generation to
the work world.
Probably more.
definitely.
and they also have a lot ofother options that are kind of
presented to them with socialmedia.
And, you know, jobs you can doat home, ways you can create
(26:26):
businesses for yourself.
So I think there may be a lot ofconfusion as to like, should I
do this?
Yeah.
Or should I focus on likecreative pursuits it's kind of
tough.
I think there's more options.
I have that stupid algorithm onInstagram.
It's like, do you wanna make amillion dollars selling stuff on
Amazon?
Oh.
I'm like, oh my God.
If it was that easy, people.
We all would be millionaireswriting our notebooks and I
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think a lot of people get intothat too, of like, well, if I
could just do that, then I'm notgonna do anything.
I'm just gonna be on my couch.
And then it's like the what ifsthey're planning.
It just becomes hard to move.
Hard to make a decision.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think with all the things thatyou think, you know, hey,
sometimes these, like, I thinkfor our generation it was pretty
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much like, you go into jobs, yougo into careers.
You know, and maybe there was alittle more flexibility and
thinking like, I don't have tostay here.
I don't have to stay loyal.
not like the boomer generation.
Right.
But.
It wasn't as like, oh, I coulddo this or I could do that.
If I really focus my time andenergy and it can, I think it
can be kind of overwhelming.
Oh yeah.
To know what's right for you.
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Well, and I remember too, Ifinally took like a college
success class or something likethat, like trying to figure out
what you should take It's like,oh, why didn't I do this before?
I spent all this money trying tofigure out everything, because
it's like, oh yeah, I'll doliberal liberal arts.
I'll just be a liberal artsmajor.
Then it's like, no, I don'twanna do that.
Oh, I'll do this or that.
But then it's like, oh wait, Ishould 100% be a therapist.
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You know, like after I took thething, you know, it's like, or a
teacher, which I'm like, no,thank you.
But, yeah, so it's just.
It's interesting like that, thatshould be pushed more like in
high school before you go intocollege.
So you're not applying for athousand colleges or trying to
figure out what you wanna do.
So instead you could be like,Hey, I wanna do this trade, or,
you know, what, where I wanna goto college.
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I think there were some teststhat they gave us that like, it
was optional to take, to belike, Hey, do you wanna see like
what your talents are in?
But.
it was optional.
And I did go and take it, but itbasically just told me like, oh,
you're strong in science andyou're strong in English.
And I was like, okay, but whatdo I do with that?
it wasn't really, it's stilllike you have to, you have to
(28:33):
note yourself.
yeah.
It takes some time.
And sometimes it takes, livinglife and.
Having a little bit of adulting,maybe Sonny wasn't really doing
adulting before he met Julian,because that kind of forced him
out of that.
you become 18 or 19, you go intocollege, or whatever your next
step is, but then you're still akid.
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Your brain is not fullydeveloped even by the time you
graduate from college.
So Sonny was just like, I'mfloundering until he was kind of
forced to really become anadult.
Pretty much.
You know, some people end upwith probably not those exact,
scenarios.
but some other things that maybeare like, Hey, maybe seeing my
friends move on.
And, that's what I commonly hearis like, oh, I feel kinda
(29:14):
lonely.
'cause my friends are doing thisand I feel kind of left behind
and like, what am I doing?
Should I do this?
or should I reevaluate what isit I want to move to the next
kind of stuff.
Or I've had some, because I dosee a lot of people in that
ages, like in the earlytwenties, onward.
But I had a lot who were like,especially people who went
through school and everything atthe end of COVID.
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So like their high school andtheir college time has looked a
lot different than other people,you know, before that.
So it's like, oh wait, I'm stillliving at home, or I haven't
moved out, or I haven't donethis, or I haven't done any of
these firsts that a lot of myfriends have already done and
surpassed me.
So I'm seeing a lot of thatwhere it is like a failure to
(29:58):
launch, but it's also like I'mcomfortable and I'm safe and now
I'm really scared to make thatmove because this is what I've
been doing my whole life and nowI am like 26 or 27 or you know,
it just really hard to pushyourself out of that sometimes.
Yeah.
Especially with social mediawhere, you know, it's your
highlight reels and they seepeople doing all these amazing
(30:20):
things being millionaires by 23,and they're like, oh my God, I
am so far behind.
And it's really a distortion,it's a distorted view.
And so it can, can really be inyour face about that.
some really good points aboutwhy so.
Was in that position kind ofthings that helped him to, to
move along, even though this wasa very funny, silly movie.
(30:40):
I mean, I was cracking up at, atparts.
I just, I can't get over the,the pond, the tripping and the
flying head verse.
It just, it sticks with me.
Yeah.
Makes me laugh.
which brings me to our,question.
Okay.
Our fun question.
I always look forward to these.
I actually don't have one that Ithink I could like ask that
applies to the movie.
Okay.
So I, for some reason I justhave ice cream on my Mind.
(31:03):
And so I am just wondering Yeah.
With summer coming up, what isthe first flavor of ice cream
that you wanna try this summer?
Or what is your favorite icecream?
Okay, so very simple.
My favorite ice cream is usuallyI'm kind of boring.
I do like a good French vanilla,but I also really like mint
(31:24):
chocolate, green, mint chocolatechip.
It has to be green.
I don't know why.
I always feel like the, white,even though it tastes like mint
chocolate chip is not, and thenI like to put that hardened
shell on stuff.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
So, that is usually my go-to.
butter pecan.
'cause I'm an old lady, but Ijust Oh, yeah, yeah.
But I stopped, I stopped likingthat.
But now, now I went back tovanilla growing up as kids.
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this is how, I guess, cheap orwhatever, my dad, like, we'd
always get like the Napoleon icecream.
Yep.
Us too.
Yep.
And then unfold.
And then unfold the box.
And my dad would slice it.
Or you know, like what he wouldalso do, which was so ugh.
We were like, what?
Like he would sometimes be like,well, your mom likes chocolate.
(32:09):
So then my mom got all the, orlike if he didn't slice it, he
would just scoop it and then mymom would get all the chocolate
and then, then like we would bestuck with stupid strawberry.
Like, I hate strawberry icecream.
Well, I'll eat it if I have to,but I hate strawberry ice cream
because that was like, I wasalways forced to do the
strawberry.
'cause my dad liked vanilla.
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And then as kids, some, I'mlike, come on, I want chocolate
too.
Or I want vanilla.
You know?
Or, but yeah, like if he wouldslice it, we'd get all three.
But otherwise, if my mom waslike.
The in charge before he, beforehe took it out, and you could
just take it out and just sliceit.
It'd always be a weird mixture.
Yeah.
And I guess it's like the thing,it's like, okay, well if you
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have a big family and we bothcome with a lot of siblings and
stuff, so it's like, I guessthat's the fairway is Napoleon.
But who actually choosesNapoleon by choice?
I don't know.
I mean, that is not my go-to icecream.
Napoleon.
I think it's probably, at thetime it was probably the only
one that had like three flavors.
Yeah.
And yeah, if you do havemultiple kids and stuff, and I
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don't know, like my sisters andI, I'm pretty sure we just kind
of went at it and were likefirst come, first served kind of
thing.
I'm getting the vanilla.
Yeah, I liked the strawberry.
but I just honestly, I was like,if I can get any, just three,
you know, kind of thing becauseit's just like one for all, you
know.
I did like the Napoleon that hadthe actual strawberry chunks in
it.
That was good because sometimesyou'd get the strawberry.
It was just the flavoring.
(33:32):
Yeah.
But sometimes you'd can get theNapoleon and you and I like
that.
I do like strawberry ice creamor any like, there's a bing
cherry ice cream That's so good.
That public sell.
I don't know if this has, oh,that is good.
Okay.
So bing cherry might be one ofmy favorite.
or chocolate cherry chip.
Like that one that's so good isactually a really good one.
That's really good too.
So maybe those are.
That's really'cause I like theactual pieces of the fruit in
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it.
Yeah.
That, that always makes it feellike more authentic.
Yeah.
And yummy.
Yummy.
Yeah.
I've always loved mint chocolatechip and Yes.
The green one, it's gotta be thegreen one.
Yeah.
that's the one I've alwaysliked.
I would say over the past,decade or so, I still love mint
chocolate chip, but I tend to,like, Cherry chocolate chip if I
can find it.
I've never had that.
the cherry chocolate chip?
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Yeah.
The, oh, okay.
So yeah, I was like, I think Ijust said that.
but I was like, maybe I said itdifferently.
I don't know.
But I, I, I, I thought I said itdifferently.
I was like, okay, clearly we'relosing our minds here.
but yes, you did say itdifferently, but yes, I know I
just said.
So apparently I am insane, butyes, I know.
It's just that they're not likebing, like it's just like cherry
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chocolate, ch like in general,whatever's called.
Yeah.
But those are so good.
Those are so delicious.
That one.
And I, what I've really loved,like, for like a lot is I like,
like, I like the chunky monkeyor banana ice cream.
Like I love, that has like beenmy favorite for like Ben and
Jerry's.
Yeah, Ben and Jerry's, like,it's not necessarily even them,
but like they just kind ofhappen to make a great combo
(34:59):
there that has banana ice cream.
I've never that and I just loveit.
I've never had any banana icecream.
It's so good.
I've had banana pudding.
That's one my favorites.
Yeah.
I.
But I, I tend to kind of leanmore towards, like, now that I'm
thinking about the, the cherrychocolate chip, that one I'm
kind of leaning towards more.
Yeah.
That is really good.
Yeah.
Publix, where I am from, youknow, I, I know there's, I love
Publix, but they're pub Publixice cream brand.
(35:19):
I think Publix ice cream isbetter than like b briar's and
stuff like that.
I don't know.
Mm-hmm.
It's probably made in the samecompany, but it's so good.
No.
Publix is a good company.
I really wish the were Publix isup north.
There's just not.
you have Shaws and IGA and Stopand shop and Big y those are
fine.
I'm just saying Publix was thebest.
Yeah.
I love ice cream.
I could eat ice cream every day,which is an issue, but I love
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ice cream.
It is good.
I tend to, like, lately I'vebeen getting those yaso fudge
ice cream bars that are, they'relike, They're made with like
Greek yogurt or whatever, andthey're yum.
They're really good.
They're like pretty low, youknow, if you get the, just the
fudge ones.
Yeah.
Like, it's pretty good.
It kind of satisfies thecravings.
Yeah.
So I kind of get protein, take alot of those on hand.
Yeah.
while I'm getting my unhealthydrumsticks, I love drumsticks.
(36:03):
Oh my god, this are so good.
Oh, now I really want ice cream.
I'm gonna go to the store andget like cherry chocolate chip
drumsticks.
Min chocolate chip.
Yeah.
Butter.
Jerry, your whole cart will befilled.
They'll be like, having a party?
Nope.
Just a craving.
No, just me.
Yeah.
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Anything that you think, contactus or, Connect with us on all
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And if there's more Adam Sandleror Steve Bmi that you wanna
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We still have, last week youwould've heard Happy Gilmore.
I think we still have like twomore Adam Sandler in this,
obsession.
There may be more coming up,'cause we still could do, the
one where they're all friends.
I can't remember that one.
(36:44):
Where they're all the bestfriends are hanging out
Grownups.
The grownups, yeah.
Grownups.
One and two maybe.
Yeah, that one's a good one.
That is good.
Yeah.
And Yeah, there's a couple otherones I have in mind too actually
for like holiday ones.
Yeah.
I was saying we should do NickNikki, but that's so stupid.
Like Nikki.
(37:05):
Yeah.
It's a stupid haircut.
Yeah.
That's not one of my favorites,but we still might, I mean, it
could be Halloween, but here'sanother Halloween one, the Huby
Huby Halloween.
Oh yeah, I forgot about thatone.
I saw that that's on Netflix.
Yeah, I saw that once.
I probably should see it again.
Yeah, he's so dumb.
it's pretty cute.
I like it.
But yeah.
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learning about mental healthdoesn't have to be wicked hat.
(00:31):
Hey everyone, it's Tanya.
Hi, it's Erin and welcome toWicked Psychotherapist.
So today, welcome back orwelcome if this is your first
time.
we're gonna be continuing ourobsession, with Adam Sandler.
And talking about the 1999classic.
big Daddy.
we decided to talk about thisbecause, well, Adam Sandler, but
(00:54):
also it has a lot of themes inthe movie that are presented
that we think are, areinteresting, but just it's
hilarious.
classic Adam and some otherpeople in there that, I actually
just remembered Kevin is playedby.
John Stewart.
John Stewart.
Yeah.
And he's got his, he's got, RobSchneider in there.
Of course his buddies aroundhim.
(01:15):
And the guy who plays, SteveBuscemi, who plays the, homeless
guy.
And then also, I never canremember this poor guy's name,
but the one who, was in Mr.
Deeds and was pretending to besick.
And, you know, like worked inthe, airport, like on the
landing area.
Like he's always in all hismovies too.
I don't remember his nameeither.
And hopefully if you're an Adamfan like us, you remember it
(01:37):
too.
Yeah.
You're like, oh yeah, that's,that's how.
And so, yeah.
But, yeah, so I, I rewatchedthis again.
I definitely saw this back inthe nineties, right at the turn
of the millennia, which is so,so scary to think about.
That was 26 years ago.
let's take a breath for thatone.
But, yeah, it's this, this movieis pretty classic because it
(02:00):
talks about, and kind of goesover how Adam Sandler's
character, Sonny, Sonny Koufax,he's just kind of this
freewheeling bachelor.
He's not really serious aboutanything.
He is like in his earlythirties, 32.
he was going to law school.
I don't know if he quit or justdidn't continue on with it
afterwards.
(02:20):
but he, is coasting in life, notreally doing anything He's kind
of just goofing off, messingaround at the park.
He's trying to trip escape.
It's like, what do I do?
Let me just throw sticks at themor see what happens if gets into
their wheel.
I have nothing else to do duringthe week.
I can't stop, whatever.
I watch that movie.
I can't get those images out ofmy head for a while.
(02:45):
he wants to, casually puts astick in there and is like, oh,
and the skateboard go flyingheadfirst into the pond and he
is like, oh, there's a stickthere.
You might wanna watch out forthat.
but he's that level of maturityright in this movie.
yeah, so he very much is kind ofa, he is riding off of this
settlement he got from a carrunning over his foot two years
(03:07):
ago or something like that.
And kind of acting like that sethim back.
But really it's himself thatright.
he's set back.
He's just kind of, you know,doing nothing.
he's eating cereal, watchingcartoons and tripping people at
the park and going and visitinghis friends and just kind of,
you know, working one day a weekas like a booth operator.
Nothing against that, but doingthe bare minimum Of what he
(03:29):
maybe could, he kind of getsstuck at this age or this time
period.
You know, just not wanting tomove on.
Just frozen.
He's got the failure to launch,arrested development kind of
thing going on.
he's really, hapless and thefirst scene that we see him and
he's fighting with hisgirlfriend because she's just
fed up with him.
(03:49):
She knows that he's.
A lay about, he is not doinganything with his life.
She's just tired of it.
He's immature.
And, he's like, well, you know,I really don't, I don't want you
to, to, to come on.
Like, don't leave me.
And she's just like, no, youdon't have your stuff together.
I don't wanna be with someonelike that.
And so right off the bat, yousee he's just all around.
(04:11):
Not winning in life at all.
he's losing, and then from thatpoint on, he is just, depressed.
his whole focus is, how do I getVanessa the girlfriend back?
you know, he's got thiscontentious relationship with
his roommate's girlfriend whobecomes his fiance.
He doesn't want his friend topropose to her at the party.
(04:32):
So he.
Kind of ruins it and shouts itbefore his roommate gets a
chance to do it.
he's stuck in time and he wantshis friends to kind of be stuck
with him.
But they're all moving on tojobs and, they're all lawyers.
he, formally was in school, butjust didn't finish.
So he's setting up kind of alife of isolation of not being
(04:52):
like what we used to termslacker.
Right?
Yeah.
You know, or maybe still do, Idon't know.
he's just not, he's just not,going anywhere.
And he's, you know, saying, oh,I'm happy and this and that, but
he's realizing everybody else ismoving on.
And that's what makes themunhappy.
And they're not really likingthat they have to.
Pay his bills or take care ofhim and it's just not cute or
(05:14):
funny anymore.
It comes to a point when you're,when you start advancing in life
or you start having this careerand you have this person who,
yeah, who's just kind of has thefailure to launch It's hard to
be around that when you wannagrow up or you wanna not be
stuck in that immaturity.
Yeah.
And I think Sonny also uses theaccident.
(05:35):
Like he kind of tries to make itout like it's bigger than it
was.
I think his foot probably neededsome help a couple years back,
but it's probably been fine.
he just kind of keeps springthat up.
Like to his girlfriend when shewas leaving, he was like, I had
an accident.
You know, like it's, I have adisability yeah, he uses a lot
of excuses I think he'srealizing everybody else is
moving on and he really doesn'twant to, something is just
(05:57):
keeping him stuck there.
Mm-hmm.
It's like a fear.
A fear of maybe moving, fear ofbecoming an adult.
And maybe he doesn't wannabecome like his father too,
because his father is a lawyer,a successful lawyer?
maybe Sonny's just like, I don'twanna be pressured into it, or I
don't wanna become like him.
Yeah, because his dad is kind ofan overbearing, authoritative,
(06:18):
not so, understanding person.
And maybe he sees that as like,I don't wanna turn out to be
that way.
And maybe he thinks if he goesdown that career path, he'll be
the same.
He'll just do repeating history,so maybe he just stays stalled.
Yeah.
Just guaranteed that that's whoI'll be.
But it's not, and I don't thinkSunny's able to see that.
So instead it's just like, I'lljust stay.
(06:38):
Home and just eat my cereal onthe couch.
Do.
Yeah.
And I, I do think it is a, apivotal moment.
Of course, when, this young boywho's like, what, five or so
Julian shows up at his door,just gets dropped there, there's
a message saying like, you'rethe father.
(07:00):
He ends up figuring it out thatit's for his Kevin, his roommate
Who's in China at the time doingbusiness or whatever.
And so he decides, well, I'll,I'll take him in until Kevin
gets back and, take care of him.
Like how hard could it be?
Right.
And, he learns it's pretty hard.
It's not that simple.
it's not even close to having adog.
(07:21):
Often imitates caring for him byputting down newspaper if he
wets the bed or spills somethingon the floor.
Yeah.
He just like, we'll just hideit.
We'll just cover it.
We don't even need to clean it.
That's it.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, he starts teachingJulian, all these methods that
are just so, not helpful.
Yeah.
not development.
Just frat boy.
Mentality of like, all right.
(07:43):
Drop it and let it stay.
Newspaper that's getting allblack and the ink that comes off
or whatever.
well yeah, well, Tanya's overanalyzing every, but, I do that.
it just makes me sick, But I'msure, he does become the smelly
kid, so I'm sure he stinks.
I'm sure he is not.
Being told, okay, let's put onsome clean underwear or
whatever.
It's just like, all right, thiswill do, get dried off.
(08:05):
No, I'm not blaming the kid.
I'm blaming Sonny.
that's so gross that the kidwouldn't know, but, at the time
it seems like Sonny wasprobably, maybe Sonny was even a
little depressed or something.
So Sonny's not probably high onthe hygiene thing either.
He's probably not thinking oflike, oh yeah, I have to take a
shower every day, or let me, youknow, so the kid is gonna have
(08:25):
to take a bath or a shower eachtime he pees his pants.
he's just not putting himself inthe shoes of someone who is
taking care of someone else,right?
he's not used to really havingto go to work and face people
and having to, you know, like heworks in a toll booth where he
can just kind of be in his own.
Literal place.
Right.
Like his own little, kind ofbubble.
And, probably wouldn't face anyif he did show up smelling like
(08:47):
pee or sweat or whatever yuckything, nobody would really say
anything.
So he's like, yeah, whatever.
But he decides he wants this towork because he wants to try and
make an instant family to showVanessa the girlfriend who left
him like, Hey.
I'm responsible.
I have a family.
I'm a family man now.
Right.
You know, like I got a kid and Ikept him alive, so I'm a family
man.
'cause that was one thing thatshe's like, you're, you're
(09:08):
mature.
You don't know what you'redoing.
You're stuck.
I need someone with a five yearplan.
So what better way than saying,okay, well I have a kid, here's
my five year plan.
Yeah.
But, yeah, it's a pretty, it's apretty poorly thought out one,
not to mention he's, you know,committing fraud by Yeah.
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He could end up in jail.
Thank you, Kevin.
Yeah.
And, you know, all this othergood stuff, which again, I know
is an over analyzation, butthose, those things stick out to
me because I am me.
there is kind of this point, Ithink when he starts to realize,
oh wait, this is, you know, heshows him these, these tricks,
these funny, like.
Soms, right where he goes and hetrips.
(09:49):
you know, skaters at the park,he shows, you know, Hey, that's
funny.
Go ahead and throw it, throw itin front of people and say, Hey,
I got one.
And he outside.
You know, if you kind of can'tfind a bathroom and put
newspaper down, all these tricksthat eventually when, when, oh.
And he lets him name himself andhe, and he chooses his name,
Frankenstein.
Yeah.
And he is like, all right, allright, that's good, that's good.
(10:11):
And he is like, you know, hethinks he is discovered this
whole new parenting style andhe's just like a genius.
And he is like, see, he has togo to school.
He does the right thing.
I just let him do what he wants.
Like kids will get there, youknow?
And his friends are like, ohyeah, okay, okay, sure.
And, but then he realizes he'swrong because the, the teacher
wants to speak to him once hedoes go to school, and it's
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basically like he's the smellykid.
He pees on the floor or in aplant or whatever, Tries to trip
kids by throwing sticks.
Throws sticks in front of themHe puts newspaper down when he
drops something or spillssomething.
It's like not normal behavior.
So then he's like, she was like,I've never seen this in like 40
years of teaching.
She's like an older woman.
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So it's like, and all of thatdidn't affect him until he's
like the smelly kid.
You can't be the smelly kid.
That's the thing that got him.
It's like, oh, I made him thesmelly kid.
Oh, he's the smelly kid.
No, no.
That's like the worst insultever.
because that sticks.
'cause you know, like you alwayslike whatever happens in like
middle of school or high school,you're like, you're elementary
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even it was like, oh my god, youdon't want that to stick.
You don't want that to stickthrough all of your years of
school.
Yeah.
Smelly whatever.
Yeah.
Or stinky whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
'cause kids will, kids will hangon to anything they can.
Yeah.
he starts to get serious and islike, okay, we gotta take baths.
We gotta set up a routine.
We gotta eat some better food.
And of course, Frankenstein orJulian, is, kind of rebellious
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towards that because he'salready gotten a taste of like,
no, this is what I wanna do,this is fun.
Yeah.
It's nice having the freedom.
It's nice being friends.
Hanging out.
Yeah.
And just kind of eating junkfood till I pass out and yelling
at the screen and breakingthings and mm-hmm.
So he gets really, you know,kind of like, okay, I gotta, I
gotta try and get this kid to dothings.
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And he's coming up against like,oh, how do I, how do I show
routine and discipline to thiskid when I haven't been showing
it to him?
Yeah.
Why would he know that?
You know, he's kind of, it'sjust dawning on him now and so
he starts to realize like, oh,I've gotta be a role model.
I've gotta kind of do thesethings, but also like come up
with a creative way and hedresses up like his favorite
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toys.
Scuba seeds.
Yeah.
He's like, you gotta stay cleanand eat foods that are good for
you.
Yeah.
Thanks Steve.
You know, he like all sudden hetrying to be, be a really good
boy, just doing everything.
Yeah.
Scared straight.
Yeah.
School bus.
School bus.
Steve.
Yeah.
And he was, he was like, youknow that, I thought that was a
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good creative way of, ofhandling that.
See, you could see that Sonnyreally cares, you know, he
really is starting to, you know,really bond with this kid and
see that his own behavior isconnected to this kid's
behavior.
This is like the first time he'shad to look outside of himself
and.
That definitely will change youa little bit and make you grow
up.
(13:01):
Mm-hmm.
And so that's kind of the firstright ding there of like, ah, I
gotta, gotta do some responsiblestuff.
but then he tries to get Vanessaback and at this point Vanessa
is with an old man, Sid.
Yeah.
Sid, who's probably like, Idon't know.
And Sid's probably thirties.
Yeah.
And Sid's at least 70.
He is, he's old.
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Yeah.
He's an old, I mean, for, forthem, you know, he's, he is
older for them, and she's like,he's mature.
He has a five year plan.
And Sonny gets mad because hefigured, oh, this'll be the
perfect plan to win her back.
what better way to show maturitythan having a kid to take care
of and, yeah.
He's just upset and really like,oh wow.
And then he kind of starts torealize this is a lot.
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And it didn't even get me what Iwas setting out to get, which is
really, really crappy for thekid.
Yeah.
I've done all this work, andit's kind of like, oh wait, was
I, and the kid's little, likeJulian's little, so it's like
he's not gonna realize like thathe's just a pawn.
But it is probably like, oh.
Is Sonny not gonna keep me?
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What's happening?
He's not, you know, this woman Ithought was gonna be, we were
gonna become instant family.
Yeah.
And he's also in his, you know,when he, Sonny goes back to the,
the social services personinforms him that Jillian's
mother had died.
That's why she was kind of, Iguess, leaving him with the
biological father, Kevin.
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Realizes he'll have to go intofoster care.
And you know, Sonny's like, oh,I don't want that.
And so he kind of is like, oh, Igotta, you know, I'll keep him
until, you know, we can figuresomething out.
he cares enough about that.
And he is realizing, oh wait, Icare, I made a bond with this
kid.
And by then, I mean, he's a partof his life.
He's going to the park with him.
he's trying to teach him like,be kind, like put up signs and
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be like, be careful over hereinstead of throwing the stick
Even though the Steve BMI'scharacter, the homeless guy, he
is like, he goes flying into thepond.
Anyways, he is like, oh, hi.
And then he just goes flyingSteve bmi.
I know we've said this before.
I wish we might have to go downa rabbit hole of Steve Bini
movies.
He is just the best.
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I love him.
Yeah, he is really funny.
He plays some really funnycharacters.
He's just, he must just be sucha character in real life.
Too.
I do like him.
Just so interesting.
I didn't like him for a longtime for, he reminded me of
someone I didn't like But I dolike him now.
But yeah, you know, he tells hisdad about the kid, his dad's
like, you're gonna mess that kidup, you know, and nobody really
seems to have faith and Sonny'sjust, really starting to
(15:30):
realize, wait, I'm ontosomething because there's
something good here.
Yeah.
I bond with this kid and thiskid listens to me.
he's, doing well, after somechanges and adjustments.
and he's seeing too that he'sable to take care of something
or someone besides himself andthere's a world outside of just
himself, which is really openingup things for him.
(15:55):
Yeah.
And that is probably helping himto have a little bit more
maturity.
And realizing that, oh, youknow, taking care of Julian,
making sure that he thrives and,you know, does well in school
and gets dressed, gets fed, isprobably making him want to
become an adult.
(16:16):
Making Sonny wanna grow up.
Yeah.
So he's, they're both kind ofgrowing and developing.
Together and this fear ofadulthood that he has moving on
to the next phase is suddenlynot that scary when he can face
these other things and realizelike, oh, I can, I can do this
with this, this kid, and Ireally care about this kid.
(16:36):
It was like through that, but herealized he can move through it.
Some of those obstacles andthose fears, Yeah, and I think
also just, really finding ameaningful relationship with
someone.
Like, I don't think he'd everestablished that even with
Vanessa.
He just was kind of goofingaround on his time.
He, played like watch hockeyand, wouldn't really, they
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wouldn't really do anythingtogether, but he developed a
good bond with this kid, and hereally wants him to.
And so I think that really kindof changed his perspective
around too.
but yeah.
And, you know, so we, we seethat then the social worker
discovers, oh wait, this is not,this is not Kevin, his roommate.
This is, and how long it took.
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Him to real her to realize like,oh wait, this is Sonny Kova and
not, not the Kevin that I'mlooking for is so crazy.
And like, how did he discover itto all of a sudden then if he
didn't, like he didn't ask forId the first time around.
Yeah.
Like, I don't, I don't know, butwhatever.
Details, nineties details.
Yeah.
You know, nineties of it all.
but yeah, and he, he's like, oh,well I gotta take him.
(17:44):
I gotta take him.
And then he realizes how much,you know, They really love each
other, you know, really careabout each other.
When, oh, you know, he's beingtaken away from me and he's, the
only thing he wants is Sonny.
Right.
You know, that's the person he'sbeen to and he said.
I can, I'm not gonna say exactlywho stuff, but I can wipe
myself.
You don't have to worry.
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I'm here, I can take care ofmys, I can do something.
He just wants to stay.
He's like, I love you.
Yeah.
and Sonny's just like goesberserk and enlists the help of
Layla, who's a lawyer and.
His friends who are lawyers, andI guess Kevin somehow gets a
whole, like, he's got all theselawyers representing him.
Well, and Kevin's not reallythrilled at first, about the
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whole situation.
Because he kind of had this lifeplanned with Corinne.
And he's, you know, wasn't readyfor a child.
And he also, then it forcesKevin to have to explain some of
his past and try to go back andremember and tell Corin this
woman who he wants to marry andbe with, Corinne always puts
Sonny down for being immaturebut the person she's going to
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marry has some skeletons in hiscloset.
A lot of secrets.
on the outside Kevin appears tobe really mature but he's not
able to commit.
So he is cheating and he isdoing other stuff or you know,
it's just, you know, he's justshowing it in a different, his
immaturity in different way thanSonny has.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I always thought that was kindof, kind of ironic because he
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seems to be like, oh,professionally he's all above
board, but like there's otherthings that would think
emotionally, they went awayemotionally, professionally too,
but emotionally and, gosh, whatis the other word?
Why can't I.
Personally, emotionally andpersonally.
He's just seems like hestruggles.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, they, they go tocourt for, you know, it's a, to
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see where Jillian will end up.
you know, Jillian says, no, Iwant, I wanna be with, so, and
he cries upset.
And people really see how, howmuch Sonny has grown in this.
Yeah.
And how he really stepped up andhe really, I mean, he could have
just, you know, said, Hey, Idon't, I, this isn't my kid.
And returned him to, to be in afoster, you know, foster family
(19:57):
or foster care.
And, he actually took this oneven though it was tough and he
struggled and yeah, he mademistakes, but he still did a lot
more than mm-hmm.
So, yeah, it really shows his,his character, I think.
And then even his dad is therein the courtroom and so a lot of
people who really didn't takehim seriously or weren't there
(20:19):
for him show up at this time.
They start to realize how muchthis is.
Helped him grow.
That he really does.
he has a meaningful purpose herein connection.
but that's not how the storyends.
It still ends pretty happy.
it's not like a neat bow, butit's wrapped up.
You know, for the most part.
A nice ribbon, I guess.
Yeah.
And.
You know, they, you realize atthe end that, kind of skips
(20:41):
ahead, you know, and just kindof tells you what, what's
happened in the meantime.
Mm-hmm.
That Sonny is with Layla, who wedidn't even actually, we didn't
even really mention Layla.
Did we?
Yeah.
Well, okay, so let's quicklytalk about Layla.
So Layla is Corinne's sister,and Sunny always makes fun of
Corinne because she worked atHooters in the past, and now
she's a, is she a pediatrician?
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What is she?
She's some sort of doctor.
I know.
She's a doctor.
But I think Sunny starts torealize,'cause he does like
Layla and Layla's so sweet.
And she likes, you know, shelikes Julian.
'cause you know, she's just anice person.
I think that also made, so startquestioning his own.
Present of not finishing his barand not being a lawyer.
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'cause not all lawyers are likehis dad.
You can be kind and nice andLayla seems to kind of
understand, you know, like whereso is struggling and not
judging, you know, she doesn'tseem like she judges him so
much.
Like, I'll change, I'll do this.
And where Layla, it seemed like,okay, it's more supportive.
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Vanessa had like the five yearplan of like, it was just about
kind of finance that successbased on, in that category.
Whereas Layla is very, yeah,sees him and there is a point
where she kind of feels like,well, this is too much.
I didn't ask you to bring thiskid into my life.
I don't know if I want this.
But then, you know, obviouslyshe changes her mind.
And, you see at the end thatSonny has returned to, he is a
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lawyer now, he's with Layla.
They have a baby.
And Julian slash Frankenstein,I'm guessing he goes by Julian,
is with Kevin and Corrine andcalls them dad and mom.
Yeah.
And then they're at Hooters.
Sid and Vanessa are workingthere.
And That's their five year plan.
Yeah.
He's like, oh, is this your fiveyear plan?
(22:29):
Oh, he's like the cook and she'sa waitress and Yeah, but Sid's
really happy.
It's like, Hey, Sonny.
Yeah.
that's how it ends.
It kind of shows The journey ofhow he grows through this block
that he has, and he learnslessons about himself Fatherhood
and self-growth and how he seeshimself and being what he wants
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to be and not having to beafraid of it.
Right.
Because he was kind of put,trial by fire sort of, But yeah,
he had to kind of just be thrownin there and then realize what
it is he wants and how to getthat, I would say a lot of times
with examples in real life thatpeople don't necessarily have
this setup where they're like,they just dropped outta law
school and they're kind of justa little bit floating.
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It's more like they've been kindof floating for a while.
And they don't necessarily havelike, just law school to go back
to and it's, you know, kind ofthat easy.
I would say there's a little bitmore obstacles in the way, but
yeah, I mean sometimes youdon't, I think I told you I was
a floater.
Like I had, I dropped out one inprobably like three or four
different majors before Ifigured out what I wanted to do.
And sometimes you just don'tknow because sometimes it's
(23:33):
like, do I go the same route asmy family?
or what is it that I should, youknow,'cause I know growing up I
always had the pressure tobecome a nurse because my
grandmother was a nurse, Unclewas a psychologist.
So then I had that pressure, youknow, of like, maybe you should
do that.
My dad has a lot of lawyers inthe family, so I was like, oh my
God, what do I wanna do?
I'll do nothing.
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So like, it just was like reallystressful.
'cause I would just try a littlebit, like, let me try medical
terminology, see if I like nurseand ugh, let me do this.
You know?
So it was just so, until finallyI was like, oh.
You know, psychology, you know,I like, you know, started
different nonprofit, differentnonprofit.
I worked at, like working withpeople and I was like, oh, I
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like this.
And it just made me realizelike, okay, I think I wanna
become a therapist.
So it took me a while.
It was like a lot of things.
So I wasn't just, working fivehours a week like sunny.
Just trying to figure out Yeah,that was, you didn't have that
luxury of, of just kind of Yeah,I had to, yeah.
I had to work more than fivehours because I'd probably be
homeless.
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And I think, we know people, wesee people.
We may have bend those people,right?
Yeah.
And there's, there's differentfactors that, that go into that.
So it is, it is relatable.
Yeah.
I think to a degree, I think to,to the amount that he just, you
know, maybe.
At a certain point was justlike, Hey, I just don't wanna be
a lawyer.
Maybe I just don't wanna be likemy, my dad, and maybe I just
(24:59):
don't want that type of lifethat it could just kind of scare
him off Yeah.
And I, I've definitely hadclients, who've had kind of this
failure to launch or not reallysure where to go and feel like,
okay, I'd rather just do nothingthan Do something.
And, that can be, a fair amountof them.
especially in this youngergeneration, where career change
is pretty Standard.
And also there is so muchpressure now for people, right
(25:22):
when they get out of highschool, or even when they're
still in college they have thisexpectation, and I know we've
talked about this in pastpodcasts, where it's like all of
a sudden I'm gonna be at tiertwo or three in my company.
I'm not gonna just start as anintern.
there's this expectation thatpeople want to be management or
higher or this high levelsomething.
(25:45):
Sometimes you have to just startat the bottom and sometimes
people are like, well, if Ican't do it.
then I'm not gonna do it Thathappens too.
Clients who have that kind offailure to launch.
'cause it's like, ah, I don'twanna be in the in-between.
I don't wanna do the work to getthere, so I'm gonna just stall.
Like it seems like, is thisgonna be worth it?
So I don't really necessarilywanna go there if it's not gonna
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be worth it to put in all thistime.
So it can be tough.
It definitely is something thatwe see a lot.
I think more and more frequentlywith the incoming generation to
the work world.
Probably more.
definitely.
and they also have a lot ofother options that are kind of
presented to them with socialmedia.
And, you know, jobs you can doat home, ways you can create
(26:26):
businesses for yourself.
So I think there may be a lot ofconfusion as to like, should I
do this?
Yeah.
Or should I focus on likecreative pursuits it's kind of
tough.
I think there's more options.
I have that stupid algorithm onInstagram.
It's like, do you wanna make amillion dollars selling stuff on
Amazon?
Oh.
I'm like, oh my God.
If it was that easy, people.
We all would be millionaireswriting our notebooks and I
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think a lot of people get intothat too, of like, well, if I
could just do that, then I'm notgonna do anything.
I'm just gonna be on my couch.
And then it's like the what ifsthey're planning.
It just becomes hard to move.
Hard to make a decision.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think with all the things thatyou think, you know, hey,
sometimes these, like, I thinkfor our generation it was pretty
(27:08):
much like, you go into jobs, yougo into careers.
You know, and maybe there was alittle more flexibility and
thinking like, I don't have tostay here.
I don't have to stay loyal.
not like the boomer generation.
Right.
But.
It wasn't as like, oh, I coulddo this or I could do that.
If I really focus my time andenergy and it can, I think it
can be kind of overwhelming.
Oh yeah.
To know what's right for you.
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Well, and I remember too, Ifinally took like a college
success class or something likethat, like trying to figure out
what you should take It's like,oh, why didn't I do this before?
I spent all this money trying tofigure out everything, because
it's like, oh yeah, I'll doliberal liberal arts.
I'll just be a liberal artsmajor.
Then it's like, no, I don'twanna do that.
Oh, I'll do this or that.
But then it's like, oh wait, Ishould 100% be a therapist.
(27:50):
You know, like after I took thething, you know, it's like, or a
teacher, which I'm like, no,thank you.
But, yeah, so it's just.
It's interesting like that, thatshould be pushed more like in
high school before you go intocollege.
So you're not applying for athousand colleges or trying to
figure out what you wanna do.
So instead you could be like,Hey, I wanna do this trade, or,
you know, what, where I wanna goto college.
(28:12):
I think there were some teststhat they gave us that like, it
was optional to take, to belike, Hey, do you wanna see like
what your talents are in?
But.
it was optional.
And I did go and take it, but itbasically just told me like, oh,
you're strong in science andyou're strong in English.
And I was like, okay, but whatdo I do with that?
it wasn't really, it's stilllike you have to, you have to
(28:33):
note yourself.
yeah.
It takes some time.
And sometimes it takes, livinglife and.
Having a little bit of adulting,maybe Sonny wasn't really doing
adulting before he met Julian,because that kind of forced him
out of that.
you become 18 or 19, you go intocollege, or whatever your next
step is, but then you're still akid.
(28:53):
Your brain is not fullydeveloped even by the time you
graduate from college.
So Sonny was just like, I'mfloundering until he was kind of
forced to really become anadult.
Pretty much.
You know, some people end upwith probably not those exact,
scenarios.
but some other things that maybeare like, Hey, maybe seeing my
friends move on.
And, that's what I commonly hearis like, oh, I feel kinda
(29:14):
lonely.
'cause my friends are doing thisand I feel kind of left behind
and like, what am I doing?
Should I do this?
or should I reevaluate what isit I want to move to the next
kind of stuff.
Or I've had some, because I dosee a lot of people in that
ages, like in the earlytwenties, onward.
But I had a lot who were like,especially people who went
through school and everything atthe end of COVID.
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So like their high school andtheir college time has looked a
lot different than other people,you know, before that.
So it's like, oh wait, I'm stillliving at home, or I haven't
moved out, or I haven't donethis, or I haven't done any of
these firsts that a lot of myfriends have already done and
surpassed me.
So I'm seeing a lot of thatwhere it is like a failure to
(29:58):
launch, but it's also like I'mcomfortable and I'm safe and now
I'm really scared to make thatmove because this is what I've
been doing my whole life and nowI am like 26 or 27 or you know,
it just really hard to pushyourself out of that sometimes.
Yeah.
Especially with social mediawhere, you know, it's your
highlight reels and they seepeople doing all these amazing
(30:20):
things being millionaires by 23,and they're like, oh my God, I
am so far behind.
And it's really a distortion,it's a distorted view.
And so it can, can really be inyour face about that.
some really good points aboutwhy so.
Was in that position kind ofthings that helped him to, to
move along, even though this wasa very funny, silly movie.
(30:40):
I mean, I was cracking up at, atparts.
I just, I can't get over the,the pond, the tripping and the
flying head verse.
It just, it sticks with me.
Yeah.
Makes me laugh.
which brings me to our,question.
Okay.
Our fun question.
I always look forward to these.
I actually don't have one that Ithink I could like ask that
applies to the movie.
Okay.
So I, for some reason I justhave ice cream on my Mind.
(31:03):
And so I am just wondering Yeah.
With summer coming up, what isthe first flavor of ice cream
that you wanna try this summer?
Or what is your favorite icecream?
Okay, so very simple.
My favorite ice cream is usuallyI'm kind of boring.
I do like a good French vanilla,but I also really like mint
(31:24):
chocolate, green, mint chocolatechip.
It has to be green.
I don't know why.
I always feel like the, white,even though it tastes like mint
chocolate chip is not, and thenI like to put that hardened
shell on stuff.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
So, that is usually my go-to.
butter pecan.
'cause I'm an old lady, but Ijust Oh, yeah, yeah.
But I stopped, I stopped likingthat.
But now, now I went back tovanilla growing up as kids.
(31:46):
this is how, I guess, cheap orwhatever, my dad, like, we'd
always get like the Napoleon icecream.
Yep.
Us too.
Yep.
And then unfold.
And then unfold the box.
And my dad would slice it.
Or you know, like what he wouldalso do, which was so ugh.
We were like, what?
Like he would sometimes be like,well, your mom likes chocolate.
(32:09):
So then my mom got all the, orlike if he didn't slice it, he
would just scoop it and then mymom would get all the chocolate
and then, then like we would bestuck with stupid strawberry.
Like, I hate strawberry icecream.
Well, I'll eat it if I have to,but I hate strawberry ice cream
because that was like, I wasalways forced to do the
strawberry.
'cause my dad liked vanilla.
(32:29):
And then as kids, some, I'mlike, come on, I want chocolate
too.
Or I want vanilla.
You know?
Or, but yeah, like if he wouldslice it, we'd get all three.
But otherwise, if my mom waslike.
The in charge before he, beforehe took it out, and you could
just take it out and just sliceit.
It'd always be a weird mixture.
Yeah.
And I guess it's like the thing,it's like, okay, well if you
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have a big family and we bothcome with a lot of siblings and
stuff, so it's like, I guessthat's the fairway is Napoleon.
But who actually choosesNapoleon by choice?
I don't know.
I mean, that is not my go-to icecream.
Napoleon.
I think it's probably, at thetime it was probably the only
one that had like three flavors.
Yeah.
And yeah, if you do havemultiple kids and stuff, and I
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don't know, like my sisters andI, I'm pretty sure we just kind
of went at it and were likefirst come, first served kind of
thing.
I'm getting the vanilla.
Yeah, I liked the strawberry.
but I just honestly, I was like,if I can get any, just three,
you know, kind of thing becauseit's just like one for all, you
know.
I did like the Napoleon that hadthe actual strawberry chunks in
it.
That was good because sometimesyou'd get the strawberry.
It was just the flavoring.
(33:32):
Yeah.
But sometimes you'd can get theNapoleon and you and I like
that.
I do like strawberry ice creamor any like, there's a bing
cherry ice cream That's so good.
That public sell.
I don't know if this has, oh,that is good.
Okay.
So bing cherry might be one ofmy favorite.
or chocolate cherry chip.
Like that one that's so good isactually a really good one.
That's really good too.
So maybe those are.
That's really'cause I like theactual pieces of the fruit in
(33:53):
it.
Yeah.
That, that always makes it feellike more authentic.
Yeah.
And yummy.
Yummy.
Yeah.
I've always loved mint chocolatechip and Yes.
The green one, it's gotta be thegreen one.
Yeah.
that's the one I've alwaysliked.
I would say over the past,decade or so, I still love mint
chocolate chip, but I tend to,like, Cherry chocolate chip if I
can find it.
I've never had that.
the cherry chocolate chip?
(34:14):
Yeah.
The, oh, okay.
So yeah, I was like, I think Ijust said that.
but I was like, maybe I said itdifferently.
I don't know.
But I, I, I, I thought I said itdifferently.
I was like, okay, clearly we'relosing our minds here.
but yes, you did say itdifferently, but yes, I know I
just said.
So apparently I am insane, butyes, I know.
It's just that they're not likebing, like it's just like cherry
(34:36):
chocolate, ch like in general,whatever's called.
Yeah.
But those are so good.
Those are so delicious.
That one.
And I, what I've really loved,like, for like a lot is I like,
like, I like the chunky monkeyor banana ice cream.
Like I love, that has like beenmy favorite for like Ben and
Jerry's.
Yeah, Ben and Jerry's, like,it's not necessarily even them,
but like they just kind ofhappen to make a great combo
(34:59):
there that has banana ice cream.
I've never that and I just loveit.
I've never had any banana icecream.
It's so good.
I've had banana pudding.
That's one my favorites.
Yeah.
I.
But I, I tend to kind of leanmore towards, like, now that I'm
thinking about the, the cherrychocolate chip, that one I'm
kind of leaning towards more.
Yeah.
That is really good.
Yeah.
Publix, where I am from, youknow, I, I know there's, I love
Publix, but they're pub Publixice cream brand.
(35:19):
I think Publix ice cream isbetter than like b briar's and
stuff like that.
I don't know.
Mm-hmm.
It's probably made in the samecompany, but it's so good.
No.
Publix is a good company.
I really wish the were Publix isup north.
There's just not.
you have Shaws and IGA and Stopand shop and Big y those are
fine.
I'm just saying Publix was thebest.
Yeah.
I love ice cream.
I could eat ice cream every day,which is an issue, but I love
(35:40):
ice cream.
It is good.
I tend to, like, lately I'vebeen getting those yaso fudge
ice cream bars that are, they'relike, They're made with like
Greek yogurt or whatever, andthey're yum.
They're really good.
They're like pretty low, youknow, if you get the, just the
fudge ones.
Yeah.
Like, it's pretty good.
It kind of satisfies thecravings.
Yeah.
So I kind of get protein, take alot of those on hand.
Yeah.
while I'm getting my unhealthydrumsticks, I love drumsticks.
(36:03):
Oh my god, this are so good.
Oh, now I really want ice cream.
I'm gonna go to the store andget like cherry chocolate chip
drumsticks.
Min chocolate chip.
Yeah.
Butter.
Jerry, your whole cart will befilled.
They'll be like, having a party?
Nope.
Just a craving.
No, just me.
Yeah.
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Grownups.
The grownups, yeah.
Grownups.
One and two maybe.
Yeah, that one's a good one.
That is good.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
I was saying we should do NickNikki, but that's so stupid.
Like Nikki.
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Yeah.
It's a stupid haircut.
Yeah.
That's not one of my favorites,but we still might, I mean, it
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Huby Halloween.
Oh yeah, I forgot about thatone.
I saw that that's on Netflix.
Yeah, I saw that once.
I probably should see it again.
Yeah, he's so dumb.
it's pretty cute.
I like it.
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