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In this hilarious and heartfelt episode of Wicked Psychotherapists, Erin and Tanya keep the Adam Sandler streak alive by diving headfirst into the outrageous 2011 comedy Jack and Jill.
From twin dynamics to emotional dysregulation, sibling rivalry, and unresolved grief, we unpack the psychological gems hidden beneath the slapstick chaos.
Join us as we dissect Jill’s unfiltered emotions, Jack’s image-conscious career moves, and what this movie reveals about authenticity, family roles, and identity.
Of course, we throw in plenty of laughs, pop culture connections (hello again, Johnny Depp!), and a final showdown between Dunkin’ and Starbucks. It’s wicked smart, wicked funny, and wicked relatable.
Whether you're a fan of Sandler, sibling drama, or just love finding therapy themes in unexpected places—this one's for you.
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(00:08):
You are listening to WickedPsychotherapists, a podcast
where two psychotherapists showyou that taking care of and
learning about mental healthdoesn't have to be wicked hat.
Erin (00:31):
Hey everyone, it's Tanya.
Hi, it's Erin, and welcome toWicked Psychotherapists.
Tanya (00:36):
Yes.
So today we have a really funone and we are not stopping our
role with Adam Sandler.
We are obsessed.
Adam, if you're listening.
We are fellow New Englanders, welove you.
we're dedicating like our daysto you, You know, all these,
we're watching all your moviesand psychoanalyzing them
somewhat.
Erin (00:56):
Everyone is going back in time with Adam.
Tanya (01:00):
Adam.
Yeah.
it's great.
it's amazing.
but yeah, today we're gonna betalking about, Jack and Jill,
which was in 2011.
So a little bit closer to, nowthan before.
We're used to talking about thenineties, kind of early 2000
Adam Sandler movies, but this isa little closer.
Erin (01:17):
Mm-hmm.
Tanya (01:18):
So this is a more recent one.
Yeah.
They actually
Erin (01:20):
had internet.
And cell phones.
Yeah.
Tanya (01:24):
Yep.
We can, yeah, there's somerelation there.
I had not seen this before.
I believe you hadn't seen itbefore too, right?
No, I've never seen it.
I hadn't either.
it was a delightful surprise.
I was like, wow, this was, Iknew it would be good because
it's Adam Sandler, but I waslike, this kind of seems a
little wacky, but I wasdefinitely laughing in a lot of
places.
I love that Adam Sandler, becamehis own twin female version of
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himself.
'cause they, there's a storylinebased around Jack and Jill who
are all our fraternal twins.
their interactions together arereally interesting.
Their personalities and how,they interact and the storyline
that unfolds is.
There's a lot to be said formental health, but also just
it's funny and fun to watch.
(02:10):
I think, it, kind of starts outwith, we get an introduction to.
Jack played by, well, Jack andJill are both Adam Sandler.
Anyone can tell.
Erin (02:20):
it's not like they just, just like we had talked about
like in Waterboy with the reallybad wigs for Red and Coach
Klein, and so now it's likethey're not really trying to
pretty up Jill that much.
Tanya (02:34):
right.
they were letting her be.
Her, yeah, she was aninteresting looking gal.
Adam Sandler.
It's a good thing he was bornmale.
but, that's kind of part of thejoke.
But we see his life we'reintroduced to his life first.
Jack and he's this high level,um, execut producer or
advertised advertising exec forcommercials.
(02:55):
Yeah.
He, he for commercials.
Yeah.
I
Erin (02:58):
think he, it looks like he directs, like, it looks like
he's, I don't know if he ownsthe company because I think his
name is on something.
Tanya (03:05):
Yeah, it is.
It looks like he owns it withsomeone.
And, so he's very successful.
You see like, he has a very nicehome wife, two kids, things like
that.
The wife played by Katie Holmes.
and yeah, so you kind of see,you know, okay, this guy's got a
lot going for him.
And then they start talkingabout the visit, with Jill.
His sister.
(03:26):
And you can kind of see thatJack is not too thrilled to have
her.
He's kind of, you know, not veryexcited.
Seems like she's kind of aburden.
And his wife, Katie Holmes, Ican't remember her, her name.
Is it Elaine?
No, I think it's, it's.
Is it Erin?
Yes.
Okay.
How did I not remember that?
Okay.
I thought, Elaine, you're, waita minute.
That
Erin (03:44):
name sounds familiar.
How do I know the name?
Erin?
Tanya (03:46):
Okay.
So Erin.
All right.
So that's, um, that's easyenough.
I should remember that.
Um, but yeah, Erin, is like, youknow, try to be nice to your
sister.
she seems like she kind ofunderstands that Jill is kind of
fragile we learned that theirmother has just passed away
within the.
past year Jill is still livingin the Bronx where I guess they
grew up.
Jill was pretty close to the momand Jack kind of seems to be in
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his own world out in la He's inla, right?
Yep.
La And, kind of living his lifeand kind of separate.
Jill is just all emotions andunfiltered emotions.
Yeah.
And, Jack is kind of more, youknow, business, business first
and kind of like, let's act likecivilized people and you know,
kind of that type of, you havethat dichotomy of the, the two
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personalities between them.
Yeah.
When, when she comes to town,she's flying into la from the
Bronx.
you just see right off the bat,she's a wild character.
She's wild.
She has 50 bags,
Erin (04:41):
50 humongous bags.
What should have been anindication to Jack?
Tanya (04:45):
like Yeah.
Like, she's probably stayinglonger than I thought.
It's a two day
Erin (04:48):
visit.
she doesn't have plans of
Tanya (04:50):
And she also brings her bird poopy who's like, what is
it, a cockatoo or something, or,I think so.
But it's her
Erin (04:57):
best friend.
I like how she's, like, youbrought the bird.
She's like, well, he's my bestfriend.
Tanya (05:04):
friend.
Yeah.
Like she's just, yeah, she's solike, open and, and
authentically herself.
Like she's not embarrassed by,by these things that some people
might kind of, you know.
Maybe try to hide, but she'sjust herself.
Mm-hmm.
and we start to see tensionbetween, well, with Jack, with
Jill more.
I don't think Jill has anytension.
Jill actually wants to spendmore time with Jack and have
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twin time.
She wants to cuddle with him,and he's like, no, no, I'm a
grown man.
I'm not getting in that.
And there's a lot of kind of,you can sense that Jack is very
distant.
He is like, you know, I'm afamily man.
I'm a grown adult, you know, andshe's very much like, I wanna
have twin time.
You know, like, it's her, youknow, she, she misses him and
she's like, you know, youpointed out she's grieving their
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mom and he doesn't reallymm-hmm.
He doesn't actually really bringit up too much, you know, and
no, he never
Erin (05:52):
Yeah.
You know, it's just because thisis, I assume it's probably the
first holidays that they've hadwithout the mom every single
thing Jill mentions like, well,mom, mom said to pack, you know,
pack extra mom, what about thismom said that, you know, every
single thing.
In the movie, she brings up tosomething she learned from her
(06:14):
mom or something mom told us, orso she's very much in the
forefront of her thoughts.
Tanya (06:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's something that like, she'scarrying her, her, with her kind
of like trying to keep heralive.
She's, she's thinking about herand she's, still processing.
Probably her grief in that, andshe really wants to be close to
her brother the way that theywere.
And Jack is just not having it.
He's just not super into it.
He thinks it's weird.
He kind of finds her loud andbrash and annoying and the
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opposite of what he wants toappear as.
Yeah.
and you really see that in theThanksgiving dinner, with,
Aaron's in-laws are there, herparents and then the two kids.
And Otto, the homeless man,unhoused person, who is, is
there, you know, that getsinvited from the, the shelter
(07:05):
that the mother-in-law works at?
Erin (07:07):
at or volunteered and she's like, and.
You know, we're bringing,bringing auto, which I thought
was funny too.
Like, they bring auto, itdoesn't look like they really
offered a bath or a shower.
And just like, he still has likeholy shirts and sweat, you know,
whatever's happening.
Jacket, and it's just kind of,it's kind of funny.
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It's just like, all right,that's their, their good.
You know, helping.
Tanya (07:35):
It's kind of like, you know, you kind of see this
feeling of like Yeah, that's ourgood deed.
Like they're very much kind ofimage conscious of like, we're
good people because we invitedthis person back.
Yeah.
This is like what we do.
And then you have.
Jill is such a contrast to that.
She's just loud, says what's onher mind.
She, starts whispering at dinnerlike, is he homeless?
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You know, he's not whispering atall.
Erin (07:59):
what are you whispering with a bullhorn?
You know, it's like, oh my god.
You know, like, but, but eventhe homeless guy, Otto, he, he
is like.
I don't know.
It's probably like, not that heappreciates it, but it's
probably like, all right, thisgirl, this woman is like, not
trying to just give me, youknow, like.
(08:20):
Attention just because they feellike they have to, to make
themselves a better person.
She's just like
Tanya (08:25):
Just for their own, their own image.
Like this is an authenticperson.
You know, someone who's justreally interacting with me the
way that a person might feel.
Right.
You know, rather than like, oh,we're fine.
we're doing everything for you.
We're inviting you in for ameal, and then, you know, he'll
go back to where he goes to.
Erin (08:42):
So there was one thing that made me laugh.
It was like, yeah, then he'll goback to his home.
Less.
Less.
Tanya (08:47):
Oh man.
And we are not laughing at that.
Like clearly we're not laughingat that situation for anyone.
It's just the way it was in themovie.
So please don't mistake that.
yes.
But it's just, the movie is justridiculous but hilarious.
Yeah.
And then I, I love how, youknow, Jill really wants to sit
next to Jack, and she's like,the mother-in-law's is in the
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seat next to him.
She's like, but that's my seat.
Why would you be in my seat?
And Oh, and, and themother-in-law's like, oh, I can
get up.
Just trying to be polite andlike very image conscious, like
civility, you know?
And she's like, oh, well if, doyou wanna sit there?
And then she's like, I, I don'tknow.
She's just like, you're puttingme
Erin (09:24):
in an awkward spot.
Yeah.
But it's also interesting too,'cause like you could see the
power.
With a mother, with Erin's mom,like where she's like, you know,
she didn't wanna move.
and did she know that that'swhere Jill usually sits?
You know,'cause she's probablybeen to Thanksgiving dinners
there before.
So it's interesting that's,she's true.
Tanya (09:44):
So, yeah.
who knows?
Like it was kind of a powermove.
Like it was kind of like I'mcloser to the head of the table
or something.
And like kind of like, oh, wellJill can just find a spot
wherever, kind of thing.
But yeah, Jill is just like,okay, I'll go sit over here and
then, starts whispering with abullhorn You just start to
realize that Jill is the exactopposite of Jack.
(10:06):
She's very unfiltered.
She's very much just sayswhatever comes to mind.
She has very kind of loud,brash, fashion sense and that's
her personality as well heremotions are very
Erin (10:18):
Jack is, yeah.
A little, little more filteredand like reserved.
Reserved and image conscious.
'cause everything is like, okay,I have to think of how this is
gonna affect my, my business andthe people I serve.
You know?
So he probably carries that athome where we're, Jill is just
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like, ah, you know, like all ofher emotions.
Anytime she's upset, she runsaway.
Which is Yeah.
And cries.
Yeah.
which might be.
Something that is learnedbehavior in the past.
Maybe she was rewarded from thatwith her mom or so, you know,
like who knows what roles thetwins had growing up, but,
Tanya (11:00):
or maybe it could have been that, that maybe she never
really got any, I mean, I don'tknow with, with the mom, but
maybe she never got that kind ofattention back from her brother,
you know, because they see whenthey're growing up.
Like, she's always kind oftrying to like, get his
attention and be like, near hisprom date and like hit, hit the
date with the tennis ball andlike, she kind of just wants his
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attention and so I think shekind of never really got that
from him.
And she's like, well, I'm justgonna almost throw like a
tantrum.
But yeah, she, she definitelyis, is very, big emotions and
kind of dysregulated, butmm-hmm.
You, you sense that it's kind oflike, you know, she really is,
there's heart behind that withprobably her mom probably
feeling not close to her brotherwhen she really wants to feel
(11:42):
close, feeling alone now,because she's alone back in the
Bronx.
Mm-hmm.
And, You know, and, and she alsohas indicated she doesn't have
like a partner, you know, she'sin her forties and doesn't have
any kids or anything.
Yeah.
So she's, she's very alone.
Yeah.
She's never been in love,
Erin (11:57):
Never.
And that was like a part whereyou see Jack, Almost having a
human connection with his sisterwhen she starts talking about
that.
She's never had a relationship,never been in love,'cause it's,
everyone always was attracted toJack, you know, like, and so
that's when they start makingthat eHarmony or whatever they
(12:18):
end up doing like the soulmatething.
And at first he's like, ah, haha.
But then when he sees her.
For the mascara running andshe's just laying on her bed,
hugging her bird, you know,'cause she cried herself to
sleep because nobody wanted todate her.
So he is like, all right, let medo this on Craigslist.
You know, just to find someoneto date her.
Yeah.
(12:39):
I mean it was in a malicious wayjust'cause he is like, all
right, let me just put all thesethings that aren't really true,
but I just want somebody toconnect with her.
'cause he also wanted her toleave his house eventually.
Tanya (12:53):
And like kind of not to deal with her emotions, right?
Yeah, like to, like, theemotions are too big for him.
He gets very uncomfortablearound it.
And he like, kind of just wantsit to stop.
Yeah.
So it is kind of selfish, but italso is kind of caring and he's
like, oh, well, you know, she'sa knockout and they show when
she got knocked out from thewheel.
Yeah.
He is like taking, like, he'slike, well, I'm kind of
stretching, you know, semantics.
I'm stretching the truth.
(13:13):
Yeah, yeah.
but yeah, and then she gets someattention, you know, the guy is,
is not, You know, she goes outon a date and the guy is just
kind of runs away from her.
Yeah, he's like on the ceiling.
Ceiling Norm,
Erin (13:26):
norm McDonald.
Tanya (13:28):
Yeah.
It's like I can't be around her.
Like why did he
Erin (13:31):
even like, because as soon as he saw her, he is like, wait
a minute, this is, but, but I'mthinking like he saw the picture
because it directed him to thedating website.
So he saw the picture of hereating the sandwich.
Tanya (13:44):
wonder if he maybe didn't even check, maybe he just saw
that and was just like, oh, youknow what I mean?
Like, maybe he just was like,oh, this sounds nice.
I'll just give her a call.
You know, like, maybe he didn'treally check it that close or
something.
Yeah.
He's like, oh, wait a minute,
Erin (13:57):
it's Adam Sandler an address.
Tanya (13:58):
And she's talking about like, she's like, well, I do
want kids, so maybe if this dategoes well, maybe we gotta hurry.
Like, she kind of scared thecrap outta him on the first
date.
He's like, he's
Erin (14:07):
like, here's this ugly woman, and.
Wanting to have children withme.
Yeah.
We just met maybe on the firstdate.
Tanya (14:14):
Yeah.
I'm actually, I was surprised hedidn't just kind of like walk
out, like, why did he actuallygo to the bathroom and try to
hide?
Yeah.
That's why I was wondering too,like why didn't
Erin (14:21):
he leave?
Why was he, what was he planningon staying there for hours on
the ceiling?
like just hang in there.
Tanya (14:27):
That's us overanalyzing it.
But I mean, still Yeah, we, wehave, we have to, you know how
we are.
Mm-hmm.
people.
But, yeah.
And then she, you know, ends up,Then, then there's the, oh, she
meets Al Pacino at the game,right, at the basketball game.
Yeah.
And, this is something that Jackhas been, they've been, his, the
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company was giving him pressureto get Al Pacino to be in a
Dunkin Donuts commercial.
Mm-hmm.
Because they wanted it to belike a dunk ccino or Right
cappuccino.
Like there's all these like, orAl, Al Al Pacino puns, PAC
Erin (14:59):
Al, not Al Pacino,
Tanya (15:00):
Al dunk, ccino Al.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Mochaccino, or I guess there'slike a million of'em, but Yeah.
And so he's like, oh, this isperfect.
And immediately Al Pacino justtakes us, like he's hanging out
with Johnny Depp, which I loved.
and he's like, what?
You know, Al Pacino is like indisguise.
'cause he doesn't wanna berecognized.
He's like, what is this?
You're supposed to be like myrabbi Eye or something.
going on here?
Erin (15:19):
Yeah.
Then I liked it when, Adam andJohnny Depp were.
Roasting Al Pacino.
He is like, oh, I thought helooked like Bill Penn Lawn or
you know, they're just likemaking fun of it.
Like, yeah, right in front.
It's like our more Castro ThenTanya and I we're talking before
when we were pregaming thatJohnny Depp, you know, so we get
(15:39):
to have the connections.
I know he only made a shortcameo, but, there is a
connection.
We've done so many episodes.
There is a connection withJohnny Depp too.
Tanya (15:48):
Yeah.
Who knew?
we had that obsession going andin our Adam Sandler, there's
these worlds colliding.
Yes.
our obsessions are colliding, so
Erin (15:55):
we just don't have Winona or Cher jumping in, but that's
okay.
Tanya (15:58):
Yeah.
Cher.
Yeah.
And Winona.
but more
Erin (16:02):
sessions.
But yeah, I thought it wasreally funny, like of all the
people Al Pacino is likeobsessed, becomes obsessed with
Tanya (16:10):
He's like in love with love at first sight, sends her
over that hotdog with like hisname and car's number and
ketchup.
Jack is like, yeah, this is hisend to get him to do the
commercial.
And she's just like, I don'tknow.
I've never, you know, like shesays to, I've never even heard
of, I've never heard of you.
She's not impressed.
Yeah.
And so I guess, you know, whenshe does go out on, or no, she
doesn't, she avoids him.
Right.
it's, when it's at the birthdayparty that he, he's like just
(16:32):
hiding in the closet.
Yeah.
And is like, Hey, come on a datewith me to Europe.
You know?
Yeah.
Or just come, come on a datewith me to my house.
And he has like an array ofcakes for her and she's like in
love with the cakes'cause shegets her own cake and
everything.
Yeah.
She's like, this is great.
That's all I wanted.
She feels like special.
And then he's like, oh, I wantyou to hit the, stickball
because like that's the Bronxconnection.
(16:53):
Yeah.
And then
Erin (16:53):
she's like, what?
This isn't me.
I don't play this.
'cause he's trying to relive hisyouth and childhood thinking
like, okay, well there's thisconnection.
'cause we grew up in the sameplace.
She's still there.
Mm-hmm.
But she's like, I never playedstickball, you know, like
Tanya (17:06):
She's like, what is this?
Like, she doesn't even know whatit is.
When he talks about LA Man, theMan of Lamancha, she's like, oh,
the one with the hunchback, likethe hunchback of Notre Dame.
She's like, oh, yeah, yeah.
she gets it so mixed upeverything like so foolishly.
But yeah, I think she breaks hisOscar or something.
And she's like, oh, I'm sorry.
I hope you'll be another one.
He's like, no, I should, butkind of like little slight
(17:27):
there.
And he's just in love with herand she's just like, you know,
when he starts to put his handson the stick and, trying to
flirt with her and, be weird.
And she's like, I think I knowwhat you're doing.
And it's gross.
Like, it just like wants to getaway from him.
Yeah.
Erin (17:39):
She's like, I do not wanna kiss you.
Get away from me.
Tanya (17:43):
not into him, which is like so funny because you just
wouldn't, you wouldn't picturethat, but Yeah.
And it, you know, in that, Ithink that's really interesting
with Jill because she isauthentically, I think herself,
like, she's like, mm-hmm.
I don't find him, even thoughlike the world admires him,
like, I'm not into that.
Yeah.
You know, like even though Iknow like he's this huge star,
(18:04):
I'm not into him because ofthat.
I want to feel like I likesomeone mm-hmm.
And really are, you know,connecting with them.
And he's just kind of obsessedwith me and she finds it weird
and she's not like, she's notinto the whole image thing,
which, Jack really wants her tobe
Erin (18:19):
interesting too.
'cause he, Jack is so, it seemsso starstruck and like his
whole, everything revolvesaround that.
Jill isn't, she doesn't evenknow movies.
Like when they're talking aboutIt's a Wonderful Life, and she's
like, no, no, no.
The other one with JimmyStewart, the other, you know,
she's describing the entiremovie and they're like a
wonderful Life.
Like the exact way.
They're like, it's what?
Tanya (18:40):
She's like, why do you keep saying that?
No.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
yeah, she's just silly about shedoesn't, she doesn't know
movies.
Her, her movie trivia is veryoff.
So you, you really kind of seethere's, there's a huge
difference there.
and you see, Jack getting upsetat her when she kind of refuses
Al Pacino.
'cause he is like, oh, thatruins my chances.
(19:01):
But he's like not taking herfeelings into account.
And, yeah, then she kind ofdisappears and, you know, wants
to go home and he's like, oh.
And he ends up talking to AlPacino.
And Al Pacino basically kind ofis like, I'll do the commercial
if like, I can get with yoursister kind of thing.
Yeah.
Which is kind of gross.
You lost some points there.
Pacino.
but yeah.
And so he, Jack invites her onthe, the European cruise that he
(19:25):
didn't want her on, but feelslike okay, I can get her to go
on a date mm-hmm.
Convince her to go on a date soI can,'cause he really wants Al
Pacino to do the Dunking Donutscommercial.
Erin (19:34):
it's a make or break for his career.
So Jack is right, right nowit's, you know, again, so polar
opposite of his sister.
He's thinking more in terms ofwhat can help me financially and
career wise, where Jill is soled by her heart and family.
And emotion.
it's, it is very interestingtoo.
(19:54):
it's like these siblingdynamics, but it's also.
Showing like what is, you know,what drives them, what's the
driver for both of them?
Tanya (20:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know, it's interestingwhen they show them growing up,
and it seems like Jack does havemore of the opportunities, like
he kind of is more attractive tohis peers, He's less socially
awkward and that sets him up tokind of be like, these are the
important values.
Whereas Jill is kind of more ofan outcast and I think she
really focuses on the thingsthat are really kind of, you
(20:27):
know, like you have goodconnections with.
And you would be able to saylike, Hey, this is something
that's actually.
Genuinely important That youwould, you know, like, yeah,
like family and, being nice topeople.
Being kind to people even thoughshe doesn't have a filter.
That's just kind of herpersonality.
It's not, she's not trying to beunkind.
Erin (20:44):
She just, that's just the way she, well, she's not hiding
anything.
She's not.
She's not a phony, she'sauthentic.
Right.
You know, which is again, reallyopposite of everything that
Jack, you know, surroundshimself with.
So if he's with a bunch ofactors or Hollywood people or
anything, a lot of them areprobably not being their, their
true self.
And it's different than justliving in the Bronx, probably
(21:08):
living in the same house you'velived in your whole life even
when, She goes to eat with,Felipe's family, and she's like,
oh, well, I don't know.
I've never had Mexican because Idon't serve it at my deli.
So she's probably only ever, youknow, she probably just like her
little, her little bubble islike whatever is in her
(21:28):
neighborhood.
So she's not really exposingherself.
not because she doesn't want to,but just because.
This is who, you know, I'vealways gone to the deli.
I know the people and it'sprobably just comfort for her.
Tanya (21:40):
And so she kind of had to find her own place, like with
her mom in her, in her hometown.
And with Jack, he was worshipedby these people, so he went to a
place where he could be kind ofworshiped and be in that world.
Right?
And so it actually kind ofturned out, to be something that
worked against him in the end.
Right.
When she does go to Felipe'sfamily picnic, it is really
interesting because you see her.
(22:01):
Genuinely happy and enjoyingherself and the families like,
just thinks she's great Exceptthe grandma, because she keeps
whacking her in the head andthey have to keep waking her up
with the jalapenos The pinataand that was one I was shocked.
Erin (22:12):
It wasn't Steve Buscemi, but it was some other person
Tanya (22:15):
with the googly eyes.
Erin (22:16):
seemed, it seemed like that.
it was nice to see her.
Yeah, that was pretty funny.
It was nice to see her beherself, be her like obnoxious
or loud or whatever self, andeverybody in the family was
like, oh my gosh, this isawesome.
We love this.
We accept this.
Tanya (22:31):
Yeah, they appreciated her.
They appreciated like her, allher traits and, and they really
thought she was, she was greatand she had a good time there.
And so, Yeah, and he, he seemedto really like her too.
Yeah.
He was, even when she had theshimmy changa bombs or whatever
Erin (22:47):
Yeah.
Well, and I thought it wasinteresting too, like even when
they were playing soccer.
Here.
She, you know,'cause she'salways such a clumsy buffoon,
you know, like, you know, withthe jet ski, with the stick
ball, with everything.
Like, it's just like, oh my God,what is she gonna break?
but this, she's like playingsoccer perfectly.
It's like, yeah.
You know, it's like, it took hera minute.
(23:07):
A pro took her a minute.
She had to hit grandma in thehead with her shoe at first, but
then it's like, let me get this.
Tanya (23:14):
she did real good.
She was like a Ronaldo outthere.
she was just running up and downthe field and they loved her and
they picked her up and one ofthe cousins is like, peeps
under, and he is like, told you,Nope, it's really a girl.
It's not a guy.
You know, like they bet on it.
But yeah.
And so you see there's like anauthentic connection there, but
Jack keeps wanting to force, Theconnection with Al Pacino for
(23:36):
his own career and financialgain.
but yeah, you just see that kindof set up and then, When Al
Pacino wants a date with herwhen they're on the cruise, he's
like, oh, crap.
Like, you know, she's not gonnado it.
So he ends up dressing up asher.
Because that literally is her.
But, you know, but it's not,it's like,
Erin (23:53):
wait a minute, they look so much alike now.
Oh wait, it's the same, sameactor playing the same person.
Tanya (23:59):
she climbs up the ladder of the helicopter.
Oh my God, that looks so scary.
and, and they whisker off to, orhe whisker off to date in, in
Europe and, Al Pacino kind of.
Really starts to, you know, likekind of let his, his feelings
out and say he really likes her.
And, and she's like, but what doyou like about me?
And this is Jack asking this.
(24:19):
Like, why you could have anygirl in the world.
Yeah.
he's like,'cause you'reauthentic.
You're you, you're like me ofthe Bronx.
Yeah.
Like, that's a time like, youknow, something special to him.
He is just so attracted to it.
And, and just her realness andher, her authenticity, her
kindness.
Mm-hmm.
And her love for, for people.
And you know, and then he sayslike, you know, Jack is, Jack is
(24:41):
a, a synco.
Like he just kisses butt.
He's a, yeah, he's a hack, youknow?
so then I think.
Jack really starts to see like,oh wait, he starts to see kind
of some of that from Al Pacino,some of the crappy Dish show.
Erin (24:53):
Yeah.
You know, you know somethingelse about Al Al Cap Pacino?
you know what I liked?
I thought it was so funny everysingle time, you know,'cause Al
Pacino was in The Godfather andall these other Italian type of
movies and whatever, and everytime he was talking Italian,
they would make for the, thewords that.
You know, they translate it asGarley goopy Gopi book because
(25:15):
he's probably not speaking realItalian.
It just like made up gibberish.
Tanya (25:20):
No, that was a joke.
Yeah.
He wasn't Yeah.
In, in, in the French andeverything.
Yeah, because he was like, sir,I don't understand you.
Yeah, just gar go not speakinganything.
Yeah.
He wasn't, he, he literallywasn't speaking French or
Spanish or Italian.
It's so funny.
He was just like.
And, and he was like, oh, okay.
Like, like you're not speakingit, he thinks he's speaking it,
(25:41):
you know, and they, they're justlike, okay, they oblig or
whatever.
Yeah.
because yeah, the French guyeven says to him, I don't
understand what you're saying.
You're not speaking French,you're not speaking, you're not
speaking any language.
Yeah.
Like, what is that?
that's so funny.
You know, Al Pacino just in hisworld is like, yeah, I'm,
Erin (25:57):
I know what I'm doing.
Tanya (25:57):
Oh my God.
Yeah.
but yeah, I think that, youknow, then of course Jack
realizes the error of his waysafter they get into a knockdown,
drag out fight, which is justweird and hilarious.
'cause it just makes al Pacinomore attracted to her.
Right.
And then towards the end we seethat, Adam wants to make things
right because he sees that, Jillis the real deal.
(26:19):
Mm-hmm.
And she just wants family andyou know, that's what's
important, not this commercial.
Yeah.
And so it's kind of thatstandard ending.
But of course, in a funny waywith Adam Sandler and all his
gang at the end.
Erin (26:29):
that was nice too.
'cause we've talked in the otherAdam Sandler.
Movie.
So this is also, you know, aboutthe movie, but also probably
about Adam Sandler as a person.
Like how important family andfriends are to him.
Like it probably in real lifebecause it's, he always has the
same troop.
I mean like it's, you know,from, you know, even John
(26:50):
McEnroe is in the movie where wesaw him in Mr.
Deeds and then, you know, ofcourse, of course everybody at
the table is just.
You know, like his, you know,his usual, the usual suspect,
you know, like David Spade aslike ugly Monica, who thinks
she's so beautiful and it's likethe Jersey Shore.
And I could not figure out whoDana Carvey was in the movie.
Tanya (27:14):
the, the puppet, the puppet guy at the beginning with
the orange hair.
Oh.
The one that was like in thePepto-Bismol commercial with,
Regis.
Erin (27:21):
And he's like, I have to be at Sesame Street soon.
Tanya (27:23):
Yeah, it's, that was actually Regis Fils last
appearance movie before he diedappearance.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Which is like, I can't believehe died that long ago.
'cause that was in 2011.
Yeah.
But yeah, so like he just kindof had all his gang there and it
was just funny the way, youknow, then Jill fights, David
(27:44):
Spade, whatever her name.
Monica.
Monica Ugly.
Monica.
And tries and f her off of KatieHolmes.
'cause of course Monica's like Idumped him and then gets mad and
attacks.
Yeah.
Aaron, you know, and is like,she's like, what the hell?
What do I do?
but yeah, it's just, it's funny.
And then Al Pacino comes in andas the man of Lamancha and is
(28:06):
like, I am not your true knight.
And he sees that what's best forher.
Yeah.
Erin (28:10):
Of course.
she has no idea who he isbecause she has no idea anything
about movies or plays or,
Tanya (28:16):
She's just like, what are you doing?
Like, who are you?
Are you a Hobbit?
He attacks the fan and he islike, that's a fan.
And he is like, no, it's this,this device.
But then we see the happy endingwith Felipe and his kids, It's
just the natural connection andthat's who Jill ends up with.
(28:37):
and I guess Al Pacino ends updoing the commercial at the end.
We see him viewing it and he'slike, this must never be seen.
But yeah, I loved thecommercial.
I thought it was amazing.
Come on, Dunkin Donuts.
Release the commercial.
Yeah, it was fun.
it was a great movie.
I think that it was one of thosemovies I didn't see of Adam
Sandler, but I'm glad I watchedit.
I'm glad.
Yeah.
I, I don't know why, I don't
Erin (28:57):
know if I was like, oh my God, this looks so dumb.
And, but it was really funny.
It was dumb, but it was reallyfunny.
And it did talk, I mean, it didhave some psychological things.
I mean, like we talk about, youknow, the grief of the mother,
like, and like being stuck infamily sibling relationships,
you know, just identities, youknow, it's mm-hmm.
(29:18):
There's a lot of differentthings.
Tanya (29:19):
Yes.
And Johnny Depp continues thecircle and all the celebrities
that were in it.
Yeah, yeah.
just good stuff and all hisgang.
It's just all around.
If you haven't seen it, go forit, because I think that was
kind of one of his lesser knownmovies,
Erin (29:35):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was.
I never seen it.
And yeah, but I think, and itwas really funny and what I like
about Adam, like he's veryjuvenile.
But I do like that it's like,there's usually really laugh out
loud stuff.
'cause I watched it with thekids and my husband last night
and kids were loving it.
they love Adam Sandler.
(29:55):
we're on this Adam Sandler fanclub here.
Tanya (29:57):
I love it.
Yeah.
Adam Sandler is, Pretty amazing.
And we're always gonna have AdamSandler probably connect somehow
in Some of our episodes, if notmost of them.
Erin (30:07):
I mean, there's probably a few that we won't do because.
Tanya doesn't like comedyromance, so we'll have to find
other,
Tanya (30:16):
rom-coms.
Erin (30:16):
I
Tanya (30:17):
I probably would make an exception though for like 51st
dates and not, like, I'm not a,I could probably make an
exception.
Yeah, I don't know.
Erin (30:24):
That one just drives me insane.
I am not a big 51st date.
Yeah.
I've seen it a few times.
I'm like.
Ugh.
I don't know if it's DrewBarrymore or what.
It probably is.
I don't know.
Or it's just like, feel, feelthe movie's too long.
Something about it.
She doesn't have her memory.
She has her memory now.
All right.
Just stop trying to force, forceit.
The chemistry is just
Tanya (30:44):
off too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I would like, there'ssome that like Adam Sandler made
with Jennifer Aniston, like theNetflix ones.
Those, those are like kind,
Erin (30:53):
are really good.
I would say we should do one ofthis.
Are those romcoms or are thoselike mystery thriller kind of?
I think it's kind of romcomskind of.
I don't know.
They're really good.
There's a
Tanya (31:01):
little bit of like romcom and they're like, I would like,
I liked.
I would, you know, I did watchthose and I thought those were
funny.
Like they're kind of comedy, alittle bit of rom, a little bit
of like thriller.
Like I, I would do those, youknow?
The murder mystery.
I think
Erin (31:13):
there's like one or two
Tanya (31:14):
Yeah.
And I think there's a new onecoming out soon
Erin (31:17):
I think I read somewhere.
Yeah, those are good.
I would say that, there's abunch, looking at the list,
there's like a million of hismovies.
There's probably a couple thatwe might be like, this is just
too dumb.
We're not gonna do, but
Tanya (31:27):
Okay, so now we're gonna come to our fun question.
All right.
Which I just thought of.
so this really has nothing to dowith the movie.
Just a little, maybe a littlebit.
But the coffee debate.
And remember, you're a NewEnglander, okay?
Dunking Donuts are Starbucks,oh, dunking
Erin (31:42):
Donuts all the way.
I actually like, the only way Ican tolerate Starbucks is if I
get one of those.
Flavored drinks, You know, soyou're basically drink like only
Starbucks I like is like thewhite chocolate mocha, but I
can, I can have just a Dunkin,you know, just cream and sugar
or milk and sugar, you know,like you don't have to do, or
(32:02):
just black.
'cause it's not gross.
I feel like Starbucks tasteslike burnt coffee.
See, I feel
Tanya (32:09):
I am a betrayal to New England.
Oh, Tanya.
I'm not a Starbucks person, butI will choose Starbucks over
Dunking Donuts.
And it's because I had a bad,like two bad experiences in a
row with Dunking Donuts where Igot really sick Oh.
Off of it.
And I don't know what it was.
But I just was like, turned offfrom it after.
(32:31):
Yeah.
Erin (32:31):
was throwing up.
'cause for, there's only,there's one, a couple Dunking
Donuts where I live that I won'tget.
Because they don't understand ifyou just say milk and sugar or
whatever.
Yeah.
If they don't they'll put like50 in.
But there's some that understandbecause you know, like when
you're in Rhode, Rhode Island,well New England, you could say
like, I wanna, you know,regular.
(32:51):
And they'll know how to put thecream and sugar in here.
You can't say regular.
'cause they'll be like, huh,what?
But What do you mean regular?
They should train, they shouldreally train everybody what a
regular is.
So, but this, yeah, there's acouple that if you just say milk
and sugar or cream and sugar,they do like the, you know,
three scoops or whatever it'ssupposed to be and Right.
(33:13):
'cause I worked at, I worked atHoneydew and something else when
I was younger, so I understand.
Oh, honeydew.
Yeah.
Shaken, not stirred.
yes.
Oh my gosh.
But yeah, but Starbucks, I dolike the consistency, so that's
one thing I do like better.
If you're out of New England.
Is the consistency withStarbucks, because I did, you
know?
Right.
Yeah.
I have the one Duncan that I goto,'cause I know it's gonna be
(33:36):
consistent, but other ones I'mlike, eh, I don't wanna go to
that one.
So if I'm at other places, itwill be Starbucks because just,
I want my coffee made.
Correct.
I'm such a jerk.
Right.
Tanya (33:46):
But no, that's, that's exactly, that's the way I feel
too.
And the, the, the, the feelingof like the poison that you're
not gonna get and everything.
Poison.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like if I have a ch, like, Iusually actually make my coffee
like almost 90, 98% of the timeat home.
Like, it's only if I'm like awayat like something.
Yeah.
Like, I don't know, whatever.
Yeah.
And if there's a Dunking Donutsor a Starbucks, and that's the
(34:08):
only options, I'll usually go toStarbucks because of the
consistency.
Drink it this
Erin (34:12):
morning.
Say I have a dunking and
Tanya (34:13):
you got, well, there we go.
that's right in line.
Yeah.
it's a tough one because I wantto say Dunking Donuts, but I
just can't, with the badexperiences I've had.
Yeah.
Erin (34:20):
if there was honeydew here, I would pick honeydew over
at Dunking Donuts.
Just because Honeydew has goodcoffee.
Honey do just knows how to makethe coffee.
And I think it is the shaken,not stirred.
Especially if you get iced,they'll pour it in the two
different cups and the Yeah, andit's just, that's a good flavor.
It is just, I don't know, justsomething about it,
Tanya (34:39):
or like, I know this isn't really New England.
This is more like, I think it'soriginally Canadian.
Tim Horton's actually has somereally good coffee.
Yeah.
I've never had a Tim Hortoncoffee.
I heard they're really
Erin (34:47):
good.
Tanya (34:48):
It's pretty good.
Yeah.
Like I wouldn't say I'm likeobsessed with it, but I
honestly, the coffee I like thebest.
And this is, this is just simplybecause I know what I like is
the one I make at home and I, Iknow, like I grind it fresh and
I know what coffee beans I like,you know what I mean?
And that's the one I like thebest.
Erin (35:04):
I used to be a coffee snob because I used to work at a
couple coffee places Couplecoffee places in Rhode Island
and then honeydew for a littlebit.
And then, so it's like, I, Iused to only drink French roast
because of the, or dark, youknow, like, because that was
what it was like newer and itwas like, okay, the darker the
roast, the higher the caffeine.
(35:25):
But yeah, I dunno, I thought itwas the lighter, the lighter the
roast, the higher the caffeine.
Mm-hmm.
No, I think it's the opposite.
Unless I'm insane.
But no, I think the darker, theroast, it's like, it's more
caffeine intake light, lighterroast.
It's like less, I'm pretty sure.
Tanya (35:41):
I think it's the other way around really.
'cause I like, yeah, becauseit's like the more blonde, like
the, I don't remember how I knowthis, but.
Something is sticking in my headsaying it's the lighter roast.
Erin (35:52):
But I used to always like darker roast better.
Tanya (35:54):
maybe it wasn't, maybe that's just now.
Maybe like when they first cameout with, I don't know.
No, you're right.
Maybe I'm just talking out of mybutt.
Oh my gosh.
You're right.
Maybe I was taught wrong.
maybe there was something withthe dark roast that you had that
they were like extracaffeinated.
Do you know what I mean?
'cause they would always say it.
So that probably was, So maybe.
I mean, either that or theycould've, added something in
there.
Yeah.
So maybe that's probably what itwas.
Yeah.
I it supposed be to be healthyat the same time.
(36:15):
It's supposed to be
Erin (36:15):
healthier too.
Tanya (36:17):
Yeah, the dark roast is definitely better for you.
Erin (36:19):
Yeah.
Tanya (36:19):
Yeah.
But like, it's confusing becauseI think there used to be more
things added in and probablylike the advertising, like,
'cause I had it in my brain too,like that, like Dark Roast, more
like, is more caffeine.
Yeah.
And I think that's'cause of theadvertising.
But I looked it up or somebodytold me something.
Oh, it was one of my friends.
Oh yeah.
Here's something
Erin (36:38):
it's like, while a common misconception is that Dark Roast
coffee has more caffeine, theactual coffee content per bean
is quite similar across thedifferent roast.
Tanya (36:47):
so none of'em are, yeah, so they're all pretty.
So it says light versus
Erin (36:50):
dark.
The roasting process differs,the flavor profile, but it
doesn't impact the caffeine.
So it's the same dark or light.
so everybody, you learnsomething, don't waste your
money.
Don't on different coffee unlessyou like it for the taste.
It's the same caffeine.
Who knew?
We've all learned a big lesson.
Tanya (37:06):
you know, it's strange 'cause I, I like the flavor of
the darker roast better.
Yeah.
Like, I don't like light roast.
Yeah.
But I'm wondering if, like, Ithink light roast is not very
popular.
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong inthis.
And I think maybe that's aselling point.
You may try to be like, oh,there's more caffeine in it.
Erin (37:20):
like, it's better on your stomach and stuff.
I don't know.
That's funny.
I used to always think it waslike, I don't know.
That's weird.
Who knew?
Tanya (37:27):
Well, I thought the lighter roasts were so, I don't
know.
Maybe it's just been advertisedthat way.
I don't learn something newevery day and we'll probably
forget it the next time too.
Yeah, we will.
Erin (37:34):
today.
That's all that matters.
We're teaching you guyssomething and you're hearing it
live or recorded?
Live recorded live.
Even though Erin worked at a lotof different coffee places in
her journey of finding herself,she does not know that I drink a
Tanya (37:49):
lot of coffee and I've read so I should know that too.
Erin (37:52):
all I know is Honey Do has good coffee.
Tanya (37:54):
They definitely do.
Erin (37:54):
Come on, honey.
Do you come to Florida?
Tanya (37:56):
yes.
Oh my god.
I don't see many honey dosaround, around in Western Mass
where I'm Really, but yeah,there's just closer to, closer
to the Rhode Island line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah.
Kind of the southeast part.
Yep.
That's right around where I wentto school.
Yep.
But yeah.
So anyways, let us know what youthink about coffee and, and what
you know or didn't know becausewe clearly were all mixed up.
(38:17):
Yeah.
But now I think we've, I thinkwe've set the record straight,
so Yeah.
Erin (38:22):
It's, um, Starbucks.
Starbucks and Dunkin for, yeah.
For, you know, but that's sofunny though.
Do you have, sorry.
No, what were you gonna say?
Tanya (38:29):
I was gonna say, do you have like a favorite type of
coffee, that you get a lot?
Like if you make it at home
Erin (38:34):
kind of thing?
I usually get Starbucks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, no, that's, that's good.
In the bag, if I'm pickingmyself, I'll get Starbucks'cause
I don't have a grinder, so I'lljust, um, I'll just get, I do
like, because then I can make itas dark or, um.
I don't know.
'cause I, I always feel likesometimes I feel like Starbucks,
they burn their coffee.
Like if you're just getting theregular, cup of coffee.
(38:57):
I feel like they keep it on thething too long and it tastes
burnt.
Tanya (39:01):
probably do.
'cause they have to like, makeit, they probably just have to
keep it heated.
Yeah,
Erin (39:05):
And that's,
Tanya (39:06):
I'm pretty sure most people that work at Starbucks,
if they're hearing this, and Ithink I've heard that.
'cause I have a.
A friend that she used to workat Starbucks and she would,
yeah, she would say a lot ofthings and, yeah.
'cause I and some other, yeah,because I know,
Erin (39:15):
again, my past history, it's like you don't, like, you
have to keep it on the warmerand then you only keep it on the
warmer for so long, otherwise itwill burn and then it'll affect,
right.
And then you have to clean it,you know, clean the pot with the
vinegar or whatever, so, yeah.
but yeah, but sometimes I'mlike, I just want a cup of
coffee, like a regular coffee.
I don't want a flavored, crappything, but I just, but then it
(39:37):
always tastes burnt and I'mlike, Ugh, foiled again.
Tanya (39:40):
I like the pikes, the pikes roast or whatever.
Like that one is pretty good atStarbucks.
Yeah, it's a pretty standardone.
And I think that it's probablyjust like I got a batch that
wasn't burnt yet or whatever.
Erin (39:49):
Why do they have burnt coffee?
I don't know.
Tanya (39:52):
I think Starbucks, I think it was the marketing of
Starbucks of like how effectiveit was that like, this is where
you get coffee, this is whereyou get like.
You know, if you wantstandardized coffee, you can
make it your way.
And there's all these, like newdrinks that they bring in at
times, they're like, newcombinations.
And it's just kind of like, it'sin like the American psyche and
(40:12):
honestly it's all over the worldreally.
I don't know if they have thesame level of importance other
countries, but if certainly inthe United States they do.
Yeah.
You know, like that's kind ofthe psyche of it.
Yeah.
and that was definitelyestablished in like the late
nineties, early two thousands.
Yeah.
And I think it just has stuck,you know?
But I, I really don't, I,that's, that's just my own
opinion.
I don't really know anything, sodon't ever listen to me as
(40:33):
anything factual.
But that's just my own.
Yeah, that's just my ownthoughts.
Yeah.
glad you're listening.
And I'm saying like, I don'treally know anything.
but it's the truth.
yeah.
But yeah, so, so anyways,alright, let's, let's, let's
close this out.
Let's wrap it up.
Let us know all of your thoughtson, on any of this coffee
included, you know, whatever.
Adam Coffee, Jimmy,
Erin (40:50):
Adam, Johnny Depp.
Tanya (40:51):
Jimmy Buffet you, if you wanna let us.
So much Jimmy Buffett.
Go for it.
What's wrong with, with me?
We're just, we're all over the,it's Monday, it's Monday people,
I mean, I don't know ifeverybody knows, but we film
this in Monday, Monday morninginto like right around lunch,
you know, time to two kind ofthing.
yeah, usually, and that's, it's,it's a time.
Yeah.
Erin (41:09):
we're hungry.
Tanya (41:10):
Yeah, we're hungry, we're tired.
We work around clients and yeah,our minds are just all over the
place.
But yeah.
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Well, I'll talk to you soon.
Bye-bye.
Bye guys.
You are listening to WickedPsychotherapists, a podcast
where two psychotherapists showyou that taking care of and
learning about mental healthdoesn't have to be wicked hat.
Erin (00:31):
Hey everyone, it's Tanya.
Hi, it's Erin, and welcome toWicked Psychotherapists.
Tanya (00:36):
Yes.
So today we have a really funone and we are not stopping our
role with Adam Sandler.
We are obsessed.
Adam, if you're listening.
We are fellow New Englanders, welove you.
we're dedicating like our daysto you, You know, all these,
we're watching all your moviesand psychoanalyzing them
somewhat.
Erin (00:56):
Everyone is going back in time with Adam.
Tanya (01:00):
Adam.
Yeah.
it's great.
it's amazing.
but yeah, today we're gonna betalking about, Jack and Jill,
which was in 2011.
So a little bit closer to, nowthan before.
We're used to talking about thenineties, kind of early 2000
Adam Sandler movies, but this isa little closer.
Erin (01:17):
Mm-hmm.
Tanya (01:18):
So this is a more recent one.
Yeah.
They actually
Erin (01:20):
had internet.
And cell phones.
Yeah.
Tanya (01:24):
Yep.
We can, yeah, there's somerelation there.
I had not seen this before.
I believe you hadn't seen itbefore too, right?
No, I've never seen it.
I hadn't either.
it was a delightful surprise.
I was like, wow, this was, Iknew it would be good because
it's Adam Sandler, but I waslike, this kind of seems a
little wacky, but I wasdefinitely laughing in a lot of
places.
I love that Adam Sandler, becamehis own twin female version of
(01:50):
himself.
'cause they, there's a storylinebased around Jack and Jill who
are all our fraternal twins.
their interactions together arereally interesting.
Their personalities and how,they interact and the storyline
that unfolds is.
There's a lot to be said formental health, but also just
it's funny and fun to watch.
(02:10):
I think, it, kind of starts outwith, we get an introduction to.
Jack played by, well, Jack andJill are both Adam Sandler.
Anyone can tell.
Erin (02:20):
it's not like they just, just like we had talked about
like in Waterboy with the reallybad wigs for Red and Coach
Klein, and so now it's likethey're not really trying to
pretty up Jill that much.
Tanya (02:34):
right.
they were letting her be.
Her, yeah, she was aninteresting looking gal.
Adam Sandler.
It's a good thing he was bornmale.
but, that's kind of part of thejoke.
But we see his life we'reintroduced to his life first.
Jack and he's this high level,um, execut producer or
advertised advertising exec forcommercials.
(02:55):
Yeah.
He, he for commercials.
Yeah.
I
Erin (02:58):
think he, it looks like he directs, like, it looks like
he's, I don't know if he ownsthe company because I think his
name is on something.
Tanya (03:05):
Yeah, it is.
It looks like he owns it withsomeone.
And, so he's very successful.
You see like, he has a very nicehome wife, two kids, things like
that.
The wife played by Katie Holmes.
and yeah, so you kind of see,you know, okay, this guy's got a
lot going for him.
And then they start talkingabout the visit, with Jill.
His sister.
(03:26):
And you can kind of see thatJack is not too thrilled to have
her.
He's kind of, you know, not veryexcited.
Seems like she's kind of aburden.
And his wife, Katie Holmes, Ican't remember her, her name.
Is it Elaine?
No, I think it's, it's.
Is it Erin?
Yes.
Okay.
How did I not remember that?
Okay.
I thought, Elaine, you're, waita minute.
That
Erin (03:44):
name sounds familiar.
How do I know the name?
Erin?
Tanya (03:46):
Okay.
So Erin.
All right.
So that's, um, that's easyenough.
I should remember that.
Um, but yeah, Erin, is like, youknow, try to be nice to your
sister.
she seems like she kind ofunderstands that Jill is kind of
fragile we learned that theirmother has just passed away
within the.
past year Jill is still livingin the Bronx where I guess they
grew up.
Jill was pretty close to the momand Jack kind of seems to be in
(04:10):
his own world out in la He's inla, right?
Yep.
La And, kind of living his lifeand kind of separate.
Jill is just all emotions andunfiltered emotions.
Yeah.
And, Jack is kind of more, youknow, business, business first
and kind of like, let's act likecivilized people and you know,
kind of that type of, you havethat dichotomy of the, the two
(04:31):
personalities between them.
Yeah.
When, when she comes to town,she's flying into la from the
Bronx.
you just see right off the bat,she's a wild character.
She's wild.
She has 50 bags,
Erin (04:41):
50 humongous bags.
What should have been anindication to Jack?
Tanya (04:45):
like Yeah.
Like, she's probably stayinglonger than I thought.
It's a two day
Erin (04:48):
visit.
she doesn't have plans of
Tanya (04:50):
And she also brings her bird poopy who's like, what is
it, a cockatoo or something, or,I think so.
But it's her
Erin (04:57):
best friend.
I like how she's, like, youbrought the bird.
She's like, well, he's my bestfriend.
Tanya (05:04):
friend.
Yeah.
Like she's just, yeah, she's solike, open and, and
authentically herself.
Like she's not embarrassed by,by these things that some people
might kind of, you know.
Maybe try to hide, but she'sjust herself.
Mm-hmm.
and we start to see tensionbetween, well, with Jack, with
Jill more.
I don't think Jill has anytension.
Jill actually wants to spendmore time with Jack and have
(05:25):
twin time.
She wants to cuddle with him,and he's like, no, no, I'm a
grown man.
I'm not getting in that.
And there's a lot of kind of,you can sense that Jack is very
distant.
He is like, you know, I'm afamily man.
I'm a grown adult, you know, andshe's very much like, I wanna
have twin time.
You know, like, it's her, youknow, she, she misses him and
she's like, you know, youpointed out she's grieving their
(05:48):
mom and he doesn't reallymm-hmm.
He doesn't actually really bringit up too much, you know, and
no, he never
Erin (05:52):
Yeah.
You know, it's just because thisis, I assume it's probably the
first holidays that they've hadwithout the mom every single
thing Jill mentions like, well,mom, mom said to pack, you know,
pack extra mom, what about thismom said that, you know, every
single thing.
In the movie, she brings up tosomething she learned from her
(06:14):
mom or something mom told us, orso she's very much in the
forefront of her thoughts.
Tanya (06:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's something that like, she'scarrying her, her, with her kind
of like trying to keep heralive.
She's, she's thinking about herand she's, still processing.
Probably her grief in that, andshe really wants to be close to
her brother the way that theywere.
And Jack is just not having it.
He's just not super into it.
He thinks it's weird.
He kind of finds her loud andbrash and annoying and the
(06:43):
opposite of what he wants toappear as.
Yeah.
and you really see that in theThanksgiving dinner, with,
Aaron's in-laws are there, herparents and then the two kids.
And Otto, the homeless man,unhoused person, who is, is
there, you know, that getsinvited from the, the shelter
(07:05):
that the mother-in-law works at?
Erin (07:07):
at or volunteered and she's like, and.
You know, we're bringing,bringing auto, which I thought
was funny too.
Like, they bring auto, itdoesn't look like they really
offered a bath or a shower.
And just like, he still has likeholy shirts and sweat, you know,
whatever's happening.
Jacket, and it's just kind of,it's kind of funny.
(07:29):
It's just like, all right,that's their, their good.
You know, helping.
Tanya (07:35):
It's kind of like, you know, you kind of see this
feeling of like Yeah, that's ourgood deed.
Like they're very much kind ofimage conscious of like, we're
good people because we invitedthis person back.
Yeah.
This is like what we do.
And then you have.
Jill is such a contrast to that.
She's just loud, says what's onher mind.
She, starts whispering at dinnerlike, is he homeless?
(07:55):
You know, he's not whispering atall.
Erin (07:59):
what are you whispering with a bullhorn?
You know, it's like, oh my god.
You know, like, but, but eventhe homeless guy, Otto, he, he
is like.
I don't know.
It's probably like, not that heappreciates it, but it's
probably like, all right, thisgirl, this woman is like, not
trying to just give me, youknow, like.
(08:20):
Attention just because they feellike they have to, to make
themselves a better person.
She's just like
Tanya (08:25):
Just for their own, their own image.
Like this is an authenticperson.
You know, someone who's justreally interacting with me the
way that a person might feel.
Right.
You know, rather than like, oh,we're fine.
we're doing everything for you.
We're inviting you in for ameal, and then, you know, he'll
go back to where he goes to.
Erin (08:42):
So there was one thing that made me laugh.
It was like, yeah, then he'll goback to his home.
Less.
Less.
Tanya (08:47):
Oh man.
And we are not laughing at that.
Like clearly we're not laughingat that situation for anyone.
It's just the way it was in themovie.
So please don't mistake that.
yes.
But it's just, the movie is justridiculous but hilarious.
Yeah.
And then I, I love how, youknow, Jill really wants to sit
next to Jack, and she's like,the mother-in-law's is in the
(09:07):
seat next to him.
She's like, but that's my seat.
Why would you be in my seat?
And Oh, and, and themother-in-law's like, oh, I can
get up.
Just trying to be polite andlike very image conscious, like
civility, you know?
And she's like, oh, well if, doyou wanna sit there?
And then she's like, I, I don'tknow.
She's just like, you're puttingme
Erin (09:24):
in an awkward spot.
Yeah.
But it's also interesting too,'cause like you could see the
power.
With a mother, with Erin's mom,like where she's like, you know,
she didn't wanna move.
and did she know that that'swhere Jill usually sits?
You know,'cause she's probablybeen to Thanksgiving dinners
there before.
So it's interesting that's,she's true.
Tanya (09:44):
So, yeah.
who knows?
Like it was kind of a powermove.
Like it was kind of like I'mcloser to the head of the table
or something.
And like kind of like, oh, wellJill can just find a spot
wherever, kind of thing.
But yeah, Jill is just like,okay, I'll go sit over here and
then, starts whispering with abullhorn You just start to
realize that Jill is the exactopposite of Jack.
(10:06):
She's very unfiltered.
She's very much just sayswhatever comes to mind.
She has very kind of loud,brash, fashion sense and that's
her personality as well heremotions are very
Erin (10:18):
Jack is, yeah.
A little, little more filteredand like reserved.
Reserved and image conscious.
'cause everything is like, okay,I have to think of how this is
gonna affect my, my business andthe people I serve.
You know?
So he probably carries that athome where we're, Jill is just
(10:39):
like, ah, you know, like all ofher emotions.
Anytime she's upset, she runsaway.
Which is Yeah.
And cries.
Yeah.
which might be.
Something that is learnedbehavior in the past.
Maybe she was rewarded from thatwith her mom or so, you know,
like who knows what roles thetwins had growing up, but,
Tanya (11:00):
or maybe it could have been that, that maybe she never
really got any, I mean, I don'tknow with, with the mom, but
maybe she never got that kind ofattention back from her brother,
you know, because they see whenthey're growing up.
Like, she's always kind oftrying to like, get his
attention and be like, near hisprom date and like hit, hit the
date with the tennis ball andlike, she kind of just wants his
(11:21):
attention and so I think shekind of never really got that
from him.
And she's like, well, I'm justgonna almost throw like a
tantrum.
But yeah, she, she definitelyis, is very, big emotions and
kind of dysregulated, butmm-hmm.
You, you sense that it's kind oflike, you know, she really is,
there's heart behind that withprobably her mom probably
feeling not close to her brotherwhen she really wants to feel
(11:42):
close, feeling alone now,because she's alone back in the
Bronx.
Mm-hmm.
And, You know, and, and she alsohas indicated she doesn't have
like a partner, you know, she'sin her forties and doesn't have
any kids or anything.
Yeah.
So she's, she's very alone.
Yeah.
She's never been in love,
Erin (11:57):
Never.
And that was like a part whereyou see Jack, Almost having a
human connection with his sisterwhen she starts talking about
that.
She's never had a relationship,never been in love,'cause it's,
everyone always was attracted toJack, you know, like, and so
that's when they start makingthat eHarmony or whatever they
(12:18):
end up doing like the soulmatething.
And at first he's like, ah, haha.
But then when he sees her.
For the mascara running andshe's just laying on her bed,
hugging her bird, you know,'cause she cried herself to
sleep because nobody wanted todate her.
So he is like, all right, let medo this on Craigslist.
You know, just to find someoneto date her.
Yeah.
(12:39):
I mean it was in a malicious wayjust'cause he is like, all
right, let me just put all thesethings that aren't really true,
but I just want somebody toconnect with her.
'cause he also wanted her toleave his house eventually.
Tanya (12:53):
And like kind of not to deal with her emotions, right?
Yeah, like to, like, theemotions are too big for him.
He gets very uncomfortablearound it.
And he like, kind of just wantsit to stop.
Yeah.
So it is kind of selfish, but italso is kind of caring and he's
like, oh, well, you know, she'sa knockout and they show when
she got knocked out from thewheel.
Yeah.
He is like taking, like, he'slike, well, I'm kind of
stretching, you know, semantics.
I'm stretching the truth.
(13:13):
Yeah, yeah.
but yeah, and then she gets someattention, you know, the guy is,
is not, You know, she goes outon a date and the guy is just
kind of runs away from her.
Yeah, he's like on the ceiling.
Ceiling Norm,
Erin (13:26):
norm McDonald.
Tanya (13:28):
Yeah.
It's like I can't be around her.
Like why did he
Erin (13:31):
even like, because as soon as he saw her, he is like, wait
a minute, this is, but, but I'mthinking like he saw the picture
because it directed him to thedating website.
So he saw the picture of hereating the sandwich.
Tanya (13:44):
wonder if he maybe didn't even check, maybe he just saw
that and was just like, oh, youknow what I mean?
Like, maybe he just was like,oh, this sounds nice.
I'll just give her a call.
You know, like, maybe he didn'treally check it that close or
something.
Yeah.
He's like, oh, wait a minute,
Erin (13:57):
it's Adam Sandler an address.
Tanya (13:58):
And she's talking about like, she's like, well, I do
want kids, so maybe if this dategoes well, maybe we gotta hurry.
Like, she kind of scared thecrap outta him on the first
date.
He's like, he's
Erin (14:07):
like, here's this ugly woman, and.
Wanting to have children withme.
Yeah.
We just met maybe on the firstdate.
Tanya (14:14):
Yeah.
I'm actually, I was surprised hedidn't just kind of like walk
out, like, why did he actuallygo to the bathroom and try to
hide?
Yeah.
That's why I was wondering too,like why didn't
Erin (14:21):
he leave?
Why was he, what was he planningon staying there for hours on
the ceiling?
like just hang in there.
Tanya (14:27):
That's us overanalyzing it.
But I mean, still Yeah, we, wehave, we have to, you know how
we are.
Mm-hmm.
people.
But, yeah.
And then she, you know, ends up,Then, then there's the, oh, she
meets Al Pacino at the game,right, at the basketball game.
Yeah.
And, this is something that Jackhas been, they've been, his, the
(14:47):
company was giving him pressureto get Al Pacino to be in a
Dunkin Donuts commercial.
Mm-hmm.
Because they wanted it to belike a dunk ccino or Right
cappuccino.
Like there's all these like, orAl, Al Al Pacino puns, PAC
Erin (14:59):
Al, not Al Pacino,
Tanya (15:00):
Al dunk, ccino Al.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Mochaccino, or I guess there'slike a million of'em, but Yeah.
And so he's like, oh, this isperfect.
And immediately Al Pacino justtakes us, like he's hanging out
with Johnny Depp, which I loved.
and he's like, what?
You know, Al Pacino is like indisguise.
'cause he doesn't wanna berecognized.
He's like, what is this?
You're supposed to be like myrabbi Eye or something.
going on here?
Erin (15:19):
Yeah.
Then I liked it when, Adam andJohnny Depp were.
Roasting Al Pacino.
He is like, oh, I thought helooked like Bill Penn Lawn or
you know, they're just likemaking fun of it.
Like, yeah, right in front.
It's like our more Castro ThenTanya and I we're talking before
when we were pregaming thatJohnny Depp, you know, so we get
(15:39):
to have the connections.
I know he only made a shortcameo, but, there is a
connection.
We've done so many episodes.
There is a connection withJohnny Depp too.
Tanya (15:48):
Yeah.
Who knew?
we had that obsession going andin our Adam Sandler, there's
these worlds colliding.
Yes.
our obsessions are colliding, so
Erin (15:55):
we just don't have Winona or Cher jumping in, but that's
okay.
Tanya (15:58):
Yeah.
Cher.
Yeah.
And Winona.
but more
Erin (16:02):
sessions.
But yeah, I thought it wasreally funny, like of all the
people Al Pacino is likeobsessed, becomes obsessed with
Tanya (16:10):
He's like in love with love at first sight, sends her
over that hotdog with like hisname and car's number and
ketchup.
Jack is like, yeah, this is hisend to get him to do the
commercial.
And she's just like, I don'tknow.
I've never, you know, like shesays to, I've never even heard
of, I've never heard of you.
She's not impressed.
Yeah.
And so I guess, you know, whenshe does go out on, or no, she
doesn't, she avoids him.
Right.
it's, when it's at the birthdayparty that he, he's like just
(16:32):
hiding in the closet.
Yeah.
And is like, Hey, come on a datewith me to Europe.
You know?
Yeah.
Or just come, come on a datewith me to my house.
And he has like an array ofcakes for her and she's like in
love with the cakes'cause shegets her own cake and
everything.
Yeah.
She's like, this is great.
That's all I wanted.
She feels like special.
And then he's like, oh, I wantyou to hit the, stickball
because like that's the Bronxconnection.
(16:53):
Yeah.
And then
Erin (16:53):
she's like, what?
This isn't me.
I don't play this.
'cause he's trying to relive hisyouth and childhood thinking
like, okay, well there's thisconnection.
'cause we grew up in the sameplace.
She's still there.
Mm-hmm.
But she's like, I never playedstickball, you know, like
Tanya (17:06):
She's like, what is this?
Like, she doesn't even know whatit is.
When he talks about LA Man, theMan of Lamancha, she's like, oh,
the one with the hunchback, likethe hunchback of Notre Dame.
She's like, oh, yeah, yeah.
she gets it so mixed upeverything like so foolishly.
But yeah, I think she breaks hisOscar or something.
And she's like, oh, I'm sorry.
I hope you'll be another one.
He's like, no, I should, butkind of like little slight
(17:27):
there.
And he's just in love with herand she's just like, you know,
when he starts to put his handson the stick and, trying to
flirt with her and, be weird.
And she's like, I think I knowwhat you're doing.
And it's gross.
Like, it just like wants to getaway from him.
Yeah.
Erin (17:39):
She's like, I do not wanna kiss you.
Get away from me.
Tanya (17:43):
not into him, which is like so funny because you just
wouldn't, you wouldn't picturethat, but Yeah.
And it, you know, in that, Ithink that's really interesting
with Jill because she isauthentically, I think herself,
like, she's like, mm-hmm.
I don't find him, even thoughlike the world admires him,
like, I'm not into that.
Yeah.
You know, like even though Iknow like he's this huge star,
(18:04):
I'm not into him because ofthat.
I want to feel like I likesomeone mm-hmm.
And really are, you know,connecting with them.
And he's just kind of obsessedwith me and she finds it weird
and she's not like, she's notinto the whole image thing,
which, Jack really wants her tobe
Erin (18:19):
interesting too.
'cause he, Jack is so, it seemsso starstruck and like his
whole, everything revolvesaround that.
Jill isn't, she doesn't evenknow movies.
Like when they're talking aboutIt's a Wonderful Life, and she's
like, no, no, no.
The other one with JimmyStewart, the other, you know,
she's describing the entiremovie and they're like a
wonderful Life.
Like the exact way.
They're like, it's what?
Tanya (18:40):
She's like, why do you keep saying that?
No.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
yeah, she's just silly about shedoesn't, she doesn't know
movies.
Her, her movie trivia is veryoff.
So you, you really kind of seethere's, there's a huge
difference there.
and you see, Jack getting upsetat her when she kind of refuses
Al Pacino.
'cause he is like, oh, thatruins my chances.
(19:01):
But he's like not taking herfeelings into account.
And, yeah, then she kind ofdisappears and, you know, wants
to go home and he's like, oh.
And he ends up talking to AlPacino.
And Al Pacino basically kind ofis like, I'll do the commercial
if like, I can get with yoursister kind of thing.
Yeah.
Which is kind of gross.
You lost some points there.
Pacino.
but yeah.
And so he, Jack invites her onthe, the European cruise that he
(19:25):
didn't want her on, but feelslike okay, I can get her to go
on a date mm-hmm.
Convince her to go on a date soI can,'cause he really wants Al
Pacino to do the Dunking Donutscommercial.
Erin (19:34):
it's a make or break for his career.
So Jack is right, right nowit's, you know, again, so polar
opposite of his sister.
He's thinking more in terms ofwhat can help me financially and
career wise, where Jill is soled by her heart and family.
And emotion.
it's, it is very interestingtoo.
(19:54):
it's like these siblingdynamics, but it's also.
Showing like what is, you know,what drives them, what's the
driver for both of them?
Tanya (20:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know, it's interestingwhen they show them growing up,
and it seems like Jack does havemore of the opportunities, like
he kind of is more attractive tohis peers, He's less socially
awkward and that sets him up tokind of be like, these are the
important values.
Whereas Jill is kind of more ofan outcast and I think she
really focuses on the thingsthat are really kind of, you
(20:27):
know, like you have goodconnections with.
And you would be able to saylike, Hey, this is something
that's actually.
Genuinely important That youwould, you know, like, yeah,
like family and, being nice topeople.
Being kind to people even thoughshe doesn't have a filter.
That's just kind of herpersonality.
It's not, she's not trying to beunkind.
Erin (20:44):
She just, that's just the way she, well, she's not hiding
anything.
She's not.
She's not a phony, she'sauthentic.
Right.
You know, which is again, reallyopposite of everything that
Jack, you know, surroundshimself with.
So if he's with a bunch ofactors or Hollywood people or
anything, a lot of them areprobably not being their, their
true self.
And it's different than justliving in the Bronx, probably
(21:08):
living in the same house you'velived in your whole life even
when, She goes to eat with,Felipe's family, and she's like,
oh, well, I don't know.
I've never had Mexican because Idon't serve it at my deli.
So she's probably only ever, youknow, she probably just like her
little, her little bubble islike whatever is in her
(21:28):
neighborhood.
So she's not really exposingherself.
not because she doesn't want to,but just because.
This is who, you know, I'vealways gone to the deli.
I know the people and it'sprobably just comfort for her.
Tanya (21:40):
And so she kind of had to find her own place, like with
her mom in her, in her hometown.
And with Jack, he was worshipedby these people, so he went to a
place where he could be kind ofworshiped and be in that world.
Right?
And so it actually kind ofturned out, to be something that
worked against him in the end.
Right.
When she does go to Felipe'sfamily picnic, it is really
interesting because you see her.
(22:01):
Genuinely happy and enjoyingherself and the families like,
just thinks she's great Exceptthe grandma, because she keeps
whacking her in the head andthey have to keep waking her up
with the jalapenos The pinataand that was one I was shocked.
Erin (22:12):
It wasn't Steve Buscemi, but it was some other person
Tanya (22:15):
with the googly eyes.
Erin (22:16):
seemed, it seemed like that.
it was nice to see her.
Yeah, that was pretty funny.
It was nice to see her beherself, be her like obnoxious
or loud or whatever self, andeverybody in the family was
like, oh my gosh, this isawesome.
We love this.
We accept this.
Tanya (22:31):
Yeah, they appreciated her.
They appreciated like her, allher traits and, and they really
thought she was, she was greatand she had a good time there.
And so, Yeah, and he, he seemedto really like her too.
Yeah.
He was, even when she had theshimmy changa bombs or whatever
Erin (22:47):
Yeah.
Well, and I thought it wasinteresting too, like even when
they were playing soccer.
Here.
She, you know,'cause she'salways such a clumsy buffoon,
you know, like, you know, withthe jet ski, with the stick
ball, with everything.
Like, it's just like, oh my God,what is she gonna break?
but this, she's like playingsoccer perfectly.
It's like, yeah.
You know, it's like, it took hera minute.
(23:07):
A pro took her a minute.
She had to hit grandma in thehead with her shoe at first, but
then it's like, let me get this.
Tanya (23:14):
she did real good.
She was like a Ronaldo outthere.
she was just running up and downthe field and they loved her and
they picked her up and one ofthe cousins is like, peeps
under, and he is like, told you,Nope, it's really a girl.
It's not a guy.
You know, like they bet on it.
But yeah.
And so you see there's like anauthentic connection there, but
Jack keeps wanting to force, Theconnection with Al Pacino for
(23:36):
his own career and financialgain.
but yeah, you just see that kindof set up and then, When Al
Pacino wants a date with herwhen they're on the cruise, he's
like, oh, crap.
Like, you know, she's not gonnado it.
So he ends up dressing up asher.
Because that literally is her.
But, you know, but it's not,it's like,
Erin (23:53):
wait a minute, they look so much alike now.
Oh wait, it's the same, sameactor playing the same person.
Tanya (23:59):
she climbs up the ladder of the helicopter.
Oh my God, that looks so scary.
and, and they whisker off to, orhe whisker off to date in, in
Europe and, Al Pacino kind of.
Really starts to, you know, likekind of let his, his feelings
out and say he really likes her.
And, and she's like, but what doyou like about me?
And this is Jack asking this.
(24:19):
Like, why you could have anygirl in the world.
Yeah.
he's like,'cause you'reauthentic.
You're you, you're like me ofthe Bronx.
Yeah.
Like, that's a time like, youknow, something special to him.
He is just so attracted to it.
And, and just her realness andher, her authenticity, her
kindness.
Mm-hmm.
And her love for, for people.
And you know, and then he sayslike, you know, Jack is, Jack is
(24:41):
a, a synco.
Like he just kisses butt.
He's a, yeah, he's a hack, youknow?
so then I think.
Jack really starts to see like,oh wait, he starts to see kind
of some of that from Al Pacino,some of the crappy Dish show.
Erin (24:53):
Yeah.
You know, you know somethingelse about Al Al Cap Pacino?
you know what I liked?
I thought it was so funny everysingle time, you know,'cause Al
Pacino was in The Godfather andall these other Italian type of
movies and whatever, and everytime he was talking Italian,
they would make for the, thewords that.
You know, they translate it asGarley goopy Gopi book because
(25:15):
he's probably not speaking realItalian.
It just like made up gibberish.
Tanya (25:20):
No, that was a joke.
Yeah.
He wasn't Yeah.
In, in, in the French andeverything.
Yeah, because he was like, sir,I don't understand you.
Yeah, just gar go not speakinganything.
Yeah.
He wasn't, he, he literallywasn't speaking French or
Spanish or Italian.
It's so funny.
He was just like.
And, and he was like, oh, okay.
Like, like you're not speakingit, he thinks he's speaking it,
(25:41):
you know, and they, they're justlike, okay, they oblig or
whatever.
Yeah.
because yeah, the French guyeven says to him, I don't
understand what you're saying.
You're not speaking French,you're not speaking, you're not
speaking any language.
Yeah.
Like, what is that?
that's so funny.
You know, Al Pacino just in hisworld is like, yeah, I'm,
Erin (25:57):
I know what I'm doing.
Tanya (25:57):
Oh my God.
Yeah.
but yeah, I think that, youknow, then of course Jack
realizes the error of his waysafter they get into a knockdown,
drag out fight, which is justweird and hilarious.
'cause it just makes al Pacinomore attracted to her.
Right.
And then towards the end we seethat, Adam wants to make things
right because he sees that, Jillis the real deal.
(26:19):
Mm-hmm.
And she just wants family andyou know, that's what's
important, not this commercial.
Yeah.
And so it's kind of thatstandard ending.
But of course, in a funny waywith Adam Sandler and all his
gang at the end.
Erin (26:29):
that was nice too.
'cause we've talked in the otherAdam Sandler.
Movie.
So this is also, you know, aboutthe movie, but also probably
about Adam Sandler as a person.
Like how important family andfriends are to him.
Like it probably in real lifebecause it's, he always has the
same troop.
I mean like it's, you know,from, you know, even John
(26:50):
McEnroe is in the movie where wesaw him in Mr.
Deeds and then, you know, ofcourse, of course everybody at
the table is just.
You know, like his, you know,his usual, the usual suspect,
you know, like David Spade aslike ugly Monica, who thinks
she's so beautiful and it's likethe Jersey Shore.
And I could not figure out whoDana Carvey was in the movie.
Tanya (27:14):
the, the puppet, the puppet guy at the beginning with
the orange hair.
Oh.
The one that was like in thePepto-Bismol commercial with,
Regis.
Erin (27:21):
And he's like, I have to be at Sesame Street soon.
Tanya (27:23):
Yeah, it's, that was actually Regis Fils last
appearance movie before he diedappearance.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Which is like, I can't believehe died that long ago.
'cause that was in 2011.
Yeah.
But yeah, so like he just kindof had all his gang there and it
was just funny the way, youknow, then Jill fights, David
(27:44):
Spade, whatever her name.
Monica.
Monica Ugly.
Monica.
And tries and f her off of KatieHolmes.
'cause of course Monica's like Idumped him and then gets mad and
attacks.
Yeah.
Aaron, you know, and is like,she's like, what the hell?
What do I do?
but yeah, it's just, it's funny.
And then Al Pacino comes in andas the man of Lamancha and is
(28:06):
like, I am not your true knight.
And he sees that what's best forher.
Yeah.
Erin (28:10):
Of course.
she has no idea who he isbecause she has no idea anything
about movies or plays or,
Tanya (28:16):
She's just like, what are you doing?
Like, who are you?
Are you a Hobbit?
He attacks the fan and he islike, that's a fan.
And he is like, no, it's this,this device.
But then we see the happy endingwith Felipe and his kids, It's
just the natural connection andthat's who Jill ends up with.
(28:37):
and I guess Al Pacino ends updoing the commercial at the end.
We see him viewing it and he'slike, this must never be seen.
But yeah, I loved thecommercial.
I thought it was amazing.
Come on, Dunkin Donuts.
Release the commercial.
Yeah, it was fun.
it was a great movie.
I think that it was one of thosemovies I didn't see of Adam
Sandler, but I'm glad I watchedit.
I'm glad.
Yeah.
I, I don't know why, I don't
Erin (28:57):
know if I was like, oh my God, this looks so dumb.
And, but it was really funny.
It was dumb, but it was reallyfunny.
And it did talk, I mean, it didhave some psychological things.
I mean, like we talk about, youknow, the grief of the mother,
like, and like being stuck infamily sibling relationships,
you know, just identities, youknow, it's mm-hmm.
(29:18):
There's a lot of differentthings.
Tanya (29:19):
Yes.
And Johnny Depp continues thecircle and all the celebrities
that were in it.
Yeah, yeah.
just good stuff and all hisgang.
It's just all around.
If you haven't seen it, go forit, because I think that was
kind of one of his lesser knownmovies,
Erin (29:35):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was.
I never seen it.
And yeah, but I think, and itwas really funny and what I like
about Adam, like he's veryjuvenile.
But I do like that it's like,there's usually really laugh out
loud stuff.
'cause I watched it with thekids and my husband last night
and kids were loving it.
they love Adam Sandler.
(29:55):
we're on this Adam Sandler fanclub here.
Tanya (29:57):
I love it.
Yeah.
Adam Sandler is, Pretty amazing.
And we're always gonna have AdamSandler probably connect somehow
in Some of our episodes, if notmost of them.
Erin (30:07):
I mean, there's probably a few that we won't do because.
Tanya doesn't like comedyromance, so we'll have to find
other,
Tanya (30:16):
rom-coms.
Erin (30:16):
I
Tanya (30:17):
I probably would make an exception though for like 51st
dates and not, like, I'm not a,I could probably make an
exception.
Yeah, I don't know.
Erin (30:24):
That one just drives me insane.
I am not a big 51st date.
Yeah.
I've seen it a few times.
I'm like.
Ugh.
I don't know if it's DrewBarrymore or what.
It probably is.
I don't know.
Or it's just like, feel, feelthe movie's too long.
Something about it.
She doesn't have her memory.
She has her memory now.
All right.
Just stop trying to force, forceit.
The chemistry is just
Tanya (30:44):
off too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I would like, there'ssome that like Adam Sandler made
with Jennifer Aniston, like theNetflix ones.
Those, those are like kind,
Erin (30:53):
are really good.
I would say we should do one ofthis.
Are those romcoms or are thoselike mystery thriller kind of?
I think it's kind of romcomskind of.
I don't know.
They're really good.
There's a
Tanya (31:01):
little bit of like romcom and they're like, I would like,
I liked.
I would, you know, I did watchthose and I thought those were
funny.
Like they're kind of comedy, alittle bit of rom, a little bit
of like thriller.
Like I, I would do those, youknow?
The murder mystery.
I think
Erin (31:13):
there's like one or two
Tanya (31:14):
Yeah.
And I think there's a new onecoming out soon
Erin (31:17):
I think I read somewhere.
Yeah, those are good.
I would say that, there's abunch, looking at the list,
there's like a million of hismovies.
There's probably a couple thatwe might be like, this is just
too dumb.
We're not gonna do, but
Tanya (31:27):
Okay, so now we're gonna come to our fun question.
All right.
Which I just thought of.
so this really has nothing to dowith the movie.
Just a little, maybe a littlebit.
But the coffee debate.
And remember, you're a NewEnglander, okay?
Dunking Donuts are Starbucks,oh, dunking
Erin (31:42):
Donuts all the way.
I actually like, the only way Ican tolerate Starbucks is if I
get one of those.
Flavored drinks, You know, soyou're basically drink like only
Starbucks I like is like thewhite chocolate mocha, but I
can, I can have just a Dunkin,you know, just cream and sugar
or milk and sugar, you know,like you don't have to do, or
(32:02):
just black.
'cause it's not gross.
I feel like Starbucks tasteslike burnt coffee.
See, I feel
Tanya (32:09):
I am a betrayal to New England.
Oh, Tanya.
I'm not a Starbucks person, butI will choose Starbucks over
Dunking Donuts.
And it's because I had a bad,like two bad experiences in a
row with Dunking Donuts where Igot really sick Oh.
Off of it.
And I don't know what it was.
But I just was like, turned offfrom it after.
(32:31):
Yeah.
Erin (32:31):
was throwing up.
'cause for, there's only,there's one, a couple Dunking
Donuts where I live that I won'tget.
Because they don't understand ifyou just say milk and sugar or
whatever.
Yeah.
If they don't they'll put like50 in.
But there's some that understandbecause you know, like when
you're in Rhode, Rhode Island,well New England, you could say
like, I wanna, you know,regular.
(32:51):
And they'll know how to put thecream and sugar in here.
You can't say regular.
'cause they'll be like, huh,what?
But What do you mean regular?
They should train, they shouldreally train everybody what a
regular is.
So, but this, yeah, there's acouple that if you just say milk
and sugar or cream and sugar,they do like the, you know,
three scoops or whatever it'ssupposed to be and Right.
(33:13):
'cause I worked at, I worked atHoneydew and something else when
I was younger, so I understand.
Oh, honeydew.
Yeah.
Shaken, not stirred.
yes.
Oh my gosh.
But yeah, but Starbucks, I dolike the consistency, so that's
one thing I do like better.
If you're out of New England.
Is the consistency withStarbucks, because I did, you
know?
Right.
Yeah.
I have the one Duncan that I goto,'cause I know it's gonna be
(33:36):
consistent, but other ones I'mlike, eh, I don't wanna go to
that one.
So if I'm at other places, itwill be Starbucks because just,
I want my coffee made.
Correct.
I'm such a jerk.
Right.
Tanya (33:46):
But no, that's, that's exactly, that's the way I feel
too.
And the, the, the, the feelingof like the poison that you're
not gonna get and everything.
Poison.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like if I have a ch, like, Iusually actually make my coffee
like almost 90, 98% of the timeat home.
Like, it's only if I'm like awayat like something.
Yeah.
Like, I don't know, whatever.
Yeah.
And if there's a Dunking Donutsor a Starbucks, and that's the
(34:08):
only options, I'll usually go toStarbucks because of the
consistency.
Drink it this
Erin (34:12):
morning.
Say I have a dunking and
Tanya (34:13):
you got, well, there we go.
that's right in line.
Yeah.
it's a tough one because I wantto say Dunking Donuts, but I
just can't, with the badexperiences I've had.
Yeah.
Erin (34:20):
if there was honeydew here, I would pick honeydew over
at Dunking Donuts.
Just because Honeydew has goodcoffee.
Honey do just knows how to makethe coffee.
And I think it is the shaken,not stirred.
Especially if you get iced,they'll pour it in the two
different cups and the Yeah, andit's just, that's a good flavor.
It is just, I don't know, justsomething about it,
Tanya (34:39):
or like, I know this isn't really New England.
This is more like, I think it'soriginally Canadian.
Tim Horton's actually has somereally good coffee.
Yeah.
I've never had a Tim Hortoncoffee.
I heard they're really
Erin (34:47):
good.
Tanya (34:48):
It's pretty good.
Yeah.
Like I wouldn't say I'm likeobsessed with it, but I
honestly, the coffee I like thebest.
And this is, this is just simplybecause I know what I like is
the one I make at home and I, Iknow, like I grind it fresh and
I know what coffee beans I like,you know what I mean?
And that's the one I like thebest.
Erin (35:04):
I used to be a coffee snob because I used to work at a
couple coffee places Couplecoffee places in Rhode Island
and then honeydew for a littlebit.
And then, so it's like, I, Iused to only drink French roast
because of the, or dark, youknow, like, because that was
what it was like newer and itwas like, okay, the darker the
roast, the higher the caffeine.
(35:25):
But yeah, I dunno, I thought itwas the lighter, the lighter the
roast, the higher the caffeine.
Mm-hmm.
No, I think it's the opposite.
Unless I'm insane.
But no, I think the darker, theroast, it's like, it's more
caffeine intake light, lighterroast.
It's like less, I'm pretty sure.
Tanya (35:41):
I think it's the other way around really.
'cause I like, yeah, becauseit's like the more blonde, like
the, I don't remember how I knowthis, but.
Something is sticking in my headsaying it's the lighter roast.
Erin (35:52):
But I used to always like darker roast better.
Tanya (35:54):
maybe it wasn't, maybe that's just now.
Maybe like when they first cameout with, I don't know.
No, you're right.
Maybe I'm just talking out of mybutt.
Oh my gosh.
You're right.
Maybe I was taught wrong.
maybe there was something withthe dark roast that you had that
they were like extracaffeinated.
Do you know what I mean?
'cause they would always say it.
So that probably was, So maybe.
I mean, either that or theycould've, added something in
there.
Yeah.
So maybe that's probably what itwas.
Yeah.
I it supposed be to be healthyat the same time.
(36:15):
It's supposed to be
Erin (36:15):
healthier too.
Tanya (36:17):
Yeah, the dark roast is definitely better for you.
Erin (36:19):
Yeah.
Tanya (36:19):
Yeah.
But like, it's confusing becauseI think there used to be more
things added in and probablylike the advertising, like,
'cause I had it in my brain too,like that, like Dark Roast, more
like, is more caffeine.
Yeah.
And I think that's'cause of theadvertising.
But I looked it up or somebodytold me something.
Oh, it was one of my friends.
Oh yeah.
Here's something
Erin (36:38):
it's like, while a common misconception is that Dark Roast
coffee has more caffeine, theactual coffee content per bean
is quite similar across thedifferent roast.
Tanya (36:47):
so none of'em are, yeah, so they're all pretty.
So it says light versus
Erin (36:50):
dark.
The roasting process differs,the flavor profile, but it
doesn't impact the caffeine.
So it's the same dark or light.
so everybody, you learnsomething, don't waste your
money.
Don't on different coffee unlessyou like it for the taste.
It's the same caffeine.
Who knew?
We've all learned a big lesson.
Tanya (37:06):
you know, it's strange 'cause I, I like the flavor of
the darker roast better.
Yeah.
Like, I don't like light roast.
Yeah.
But I'm wondering if, like, Ithink light roast is not very
popular.
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong inthis.
And I think maybe that's aselling point.
You may try to be like, oh,there's more caffeine in it.
Erin (37:20):
like, it's better on your stomach and stuff.
I don't know.
That's funny.
I used to always think it waslike, I don't know.
That's weird.
Who knew?
Tanya (37:27):
Well, I thought the lighter roasts were so, I don't
know.
Maybe it's just been advertisedthat way.
I don't learn something newevery day and we'll probably
forget it the next time too.
Yeah, we will.
Erin (37:34):
today.
That's all that matters.
We're teaching you guyssomething and you're hearing it
live or recorded?
Live recorded live.
Even though Erin worked at a lotof different coffee places in
her journey of finding herself,she does not know that I drink a
Tanya (37:49):
lot of coffee and I've read so I should know that too.
Erin (37:52):
all I know is Honey Do has good coffee.
Tanya (37:54):
They definitely do.
Erin (37:54):
Come on, honey.
Do you come to Florida?
Tanya (37:56):
yes.
Oh my god.
I don't see many honey dosaround, around in Western Mass
where I'm Really, but yeah,there's just closer to, closer
to the Rhode Island line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah.
Kind of the southeast part.
Yep.
That's right around where I wentto school.
Yep.
But yeah.
So anyways, let us know what youthink about coffee and, and what
you know or didn't know becausewe clearly were all mixed up.
(38:17):
Yeah.
But now I think we've, I thinkwe've set the record straight,
so Yeah.
Erin (38:22):
It's, um, Starbucks.
Starbucks and Dunkin for, yeah.
For, you know, but that's sofunny though.
Do you have, sorry.
No, what were you gonna say?
Tanya (38:29):
I was gonna say, do you have like a favorite type of
coffee, that you get a lot?
Like if you make it at home
Erin (38:34):
kind of thing?
I usually get Starbucks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, no, that's, that's good.
In the bag, if I'm pickingmyself, I'll get Starbucks'cause
I don't have a grinder, so I'lljust, um, I'll just get, I do
like, because then I can make itas dark or, um.
I don't know.
'cause I, I always feel likesometimes I feel like Starbucks,
they burn their coffee.
Like if you're just getting theregular, cup of coffee.
(38:57):
I feel like they keep it on thething too long and it tastes
burnt.
Tanya (39:01):
probably do.
'cause they have to like, makeit, they probably just have to
keep it heated.
Yeah,
Erin (39:05):
And that's,
Tanya (39:06):
I'm pretty sure most people that work at Starbucks,
if they're hearing this, and Ithink I've heard that.
'cause I have a.
A friend that she used to workat Starbucks and she would,
yeah, she would say a lot ofthings and, yeah.
'cause I and some other, yeah,because I know,
Erin (39:15):
again, my past history, it's like you don't, like, you
have to keep it on the warmerand then you only keep it on the
warmer for so long, otherwise itwill burn and then it'll affect,
right.
And then you have to clean it,you know, clean the pot with the
vinegar or whatever, so, yeah.
but yeah, but sometimes I'mlike, I just want a cup of
coffee, like a regular coffee.
I don't want a flavored, crappything, but I just, but then it
(39:37):
always tastes burnt and I'mlike, Ugh, foiled again.
Tanya (39:40):
I like the pikes, the pikes roast or whatever.
Like that one is pretty good atStarbucks.
Yeah, it's a pretty standardone.
And I think that it's probablyjust like I got a batch that
wasn't burnt yet or whatever.
Erin (39:49):
Why do they have burnt coffee?
I don't know.
Tanya (39:52):
I think Starbucks, I think it was the marketing of
Starbucks of like how effectiveit was that like, this is where
you get coffee, this is whereyou get like.
You know, if you wantstandardized coffee, you can
make it your way.
And there's all these, like newdrinks that they bring in at
times, they're like, newcombinations.
And it's just kind of like, it'sin like the American psyche and
(40:12):
honestly it's all over the worldreally.
I don't know if they have thesame level of importance other
countries, but if certainly inthe United States they do.
Yeah.
You know, like that's kind ofthe psyche of it.
Yeah.
and that was definitelyestablished in like the late
nineties, early two thousands.
Yeah.
And I think it just has stuck,you know?
But I, I really don't, I,that's, that's just my own
opinion.
I don't really know anything, sodon't ever listen to me as
(40:33):
anything factual.
But that's just my own.
Yeah, that's just my ownthoughts.
Yeah.
glad you're listening.
And I'm saying like, I don'treally know anything.
but it's the truth.
yeah.
But yeah, so, so anyways,alright, let's, let's, let's
close this out.
Let's wrap it up.
Let us know all of your thoughtson, on any of this coffee
included, you know, whatever.
Adam Coffee, Jimmy,
Erin (40:50):
Adam, Johnny Depp.
Tanya (40:51):
Jimmy Buffet you, if you wanna let us.
So much Jimmy Buffett.
Go for it.
What's wrong with, with me?
We're just, we're all over the,it's Monday, it's Monday people,
I mean, I don't know ifeverybody knows, but we film
this in Monday, Monday morninginto like right around lunch,
you know, time to two kind ofthing.
yeah, usually, and that's, it's,it's a time.
Yeah.
Erin (41:09):
we're hungry.
Tanya (41:10):
Yeah, we're hungry, we're tired.
We work around clients and yeah,our minds are just all over the
place.
But yeah.
Anyways, we hope you enjoyedthis.
don't forget to follow us on oursocials.
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Erin (41:31):
And don't forget, stay wicked and keep your mind well.
All right.
Have a great week.
Well, I'll talk to you soon.
Bye-bye.
Bye guys.
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