Will You Survive "Frozen": Snowboard Missteps, Wolf Myths, and Ski Lift Shenanigans

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Winter survival can be a frightening topic, especially when inspired by high-tension films like "Frozen." We explore how the characters' choices lead to dire consequences and what lessons can be learned about preparing for the wild. 

• Importance of being prepared for winter excursions 
• Discussion on the movie "Frozen" and its survival tactics 
• Evaluation of character behaviors and reckless decision-making 
• Tips for effective self-rescue in snowy conditions 
• Insights into wolf behavior and natural wildlife encounters 
• Practical survival strategies for real-life scenarios 
• Final thoughts on survival preparedness and mindset

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hello survivors, and welcome to another episode of
Will you Survive, the Podcast.
Today we're going to go oversurvival tactics on the
mountains of the Northeast.
But first let me introduce toyou my co-hosts.
We have Eric it is me co-hosts.

(00:47):
We have eric, it is me eric.
And we have tj I am neckrick,he's not neck, he's not netrick.
Netrick isn't real.
Neckrick is real.
Is neckrick in the room with usright now?
yes, neckrick isn't real, alsoneckrick we are going to be
talking about survival in themountain, as I said, basing our
episode on the movie Frozen.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I hate this.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
With Elsa and Anna.
I'm just kidding, this one isfrom 2010.
Wait, this is a completelydifferent movie, directed by
Adam Green.
Written by Adam Green.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Starring Sean Ashmore , emma Bell and Kevin Zegers.
You mean Kristen?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Bell, you watched the wrong movie.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
You watched the wrong movie.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I memorized the lyrics of those songs for extra
credit.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
You're going to have to sing it, fucking bet.
Well, before we get to that, letme tell you what the movie was
about, since you didn't watch it.
At Mount Holliston snowboardersDan Walker, his girlfriend
Parker O'Neill and his bestfriend Joe Lynch don't have

(01:54):
enough money to buy lift tickets.
Parker bribes Jason, a liftworker, with $100.
When the system is nearingclosure, they force Jason to let
them have one last pass.
System is nearing closure, theyforce jason to let them have
one last pass.
However, jason needs to resolvea problem and his colleague
misunderstands his instructionsand stops the lift.
The trio of skier andsnowboarders gets stranded on
the chairlift near the top ofthe mountain when they see that

(02:16):
the lights of the ski resort hadbeen turned off.
They need to make a choiceleave the chairlift or freeze to
death.
So before we get get started onthis uh, too deep, I want to
know your opinions on the moviefirst.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Um, really quick, I would like to say that synopsis
was not written like a moviesynopsis at all.
No, no, the very small thing,not important at all, but it
just seemed like I don't know it.
It didn't seem like a moviesynopsis to me.
That the way they worded it wasjust.
I don't know how to actuallydescribe this.
This makes no sense and this isnot relevant at all.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Sorry, Do I get those 10 points?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh, yeah, yeah okay, he said it.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
No no.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
You did it.
No, you so did.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
No no.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yes, you did no.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
We heard it what it is, so no oh wait no see,
because when I was walking outof the room I heard you say
handshake deal, but I didn'thear, obviously because I didn't
have my headset on so Icouldn't hear the rest of that,
but I heard that part I don'tknow what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
The host wants to tell you no not yet we'll, we'll
tell him when we hear it againokay, well, about the movie.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I think we just heard anyways, no, no okay about the
movie.
Okay, we did.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
What we did?
We just.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
We did, we did.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Is it movie no?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Continue, is it um?

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yes, yes, I said in the first sentence you say when,
like after the intro, if yousay um, I get 10 points.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Well, well, this is some bullshit.
Sounds like you gotta workextra hard this, this episode do
I get 10 points if tj says likeoh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
You'll have to bribe me with some information on this
movie okay, this is mynightmare.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Um, I hate the cold.
I would rather be eaten by apack of wolves than suffer the
cold like that.
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I think that they were all unlikable characters
and I think they were all idiots.
They had no plan.
I believe there is a lot ofdifferent ways they could have
gone about trying to get down,other than jumping.
You know, 50 feet from thething and just Dubrow just broke
his legs and laid there youknow, like he didn't do anything

(04:27):
else.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, so and so I will say, uh, I wonder if this
will assuage your anger at themat all.
Let me just clarify a fewthings, and a lot of these are
actually on imdb under thismovie.
But many of the other survivalthings have nothing to do with
the movie.
But number one this would neverhappen at any real ski resort.

(04:49):
They have employees calledliftees and what they do is they
tag a chair, they rotate it atleast three times and make sure
that they see that chair comeback across and nobody else on
that lift before shutting itdown.
But the more common way thatmost ski resorts do this is they
put the liftees on that liftbefore shutting it down.
But the more common way thatmost ski resorts do this is they
put the lifties on the lift,they ride it up, they get to the
top.

(05:09):
That way they make sure thatnobody's on the other side so
they don't see anybody crossthem going back down, and they
get all the way up to the topand they ski down looking for
anybody lagging behind.
Because that is also a commontactic is people will try to
stay behind after they close tobasically ski for free.
They will climb the mountainand ski down.

(05:31):
Climb the mountain.
It's harder, it's a lot of work, but people are willing to do
it to save the money.
And it's dangerous, puts themat risk for negligence lawsuits,
et cetera, et cetera.
So that's one thing thatwouldn't have happened.
Number two wolves don't killpeople like this.
We'll get into this more in theepisode.
And number three ski liftcables are not sharp at all.
They're not razor sharp.
There's nothing sharp aboutthem.

(05:53):
They are very, very smooth forsafety.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Really yes, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
So everything they did in this movie to make it
happen this was filled with plotweaponry.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I didn't know that about the cables I also.
I mean, I wouldn't have knowneither way.
You could tell me either wayand I'd be like, okay, sure.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
So we'll get into all of these things in this episode
.
But now that I know both ofyour takes on this your worst
nightmare, eric and TJ you hatedall the characters.
They were not likable, they hadno plan and I do appreciate,
appreciate you saying that.
I will tell you something thatI don't even know if eric knows
this, but I took himsnowboarding years ago and this

(06:29):
was just at I went snowboardingyeah, he went snowboarding.
This was uh just at mountainhigh in southern california, so
it's not, it's not a big deal,it's not even very far from the
city, but even there I had uhpepper spray on me.
Yeah, I don't, I don't believein going to the mountains, going
camping, doing anything likethat, without having some form
of protection and they locked uptheir phones and, and, and they

(06:52):
locked up their phones what?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
what was the purpose?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
that was one of the dumber things that I heard I
mean I don't snowboard with myphone I, I guess like just put
your phone on, do not disturb,put it in your pocket if you're
worried about breaking it.
They're good skiers and they'regood snowboarders, so they
should be just not her, yeah her.
She should have her phone putup, because she might break it
right, but they're fine.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
So yeah, they should have had their phones this and
um like this takes place in 2010or like earlier, right, so 2010
or before we assume they havelike at least somewhat of maybe
an early smartphone or like aflip phone, blackberry.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, I think you're right.
I think you're right In 2010,.
It would have been an earlierrendition.
We already had iPhones.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, it would have been like an HTC or something
you know, yeah, or at least oneof those old brick Nokias Like
there's no risk of breaking yourphone or anything.
They don't have fucking TikTok.
What are they doing?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
We're assuming they would even have cell signal up
there.
I don't know how common it wasto have cell signal.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Now it is, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
You think Maybe at the bottom, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
I don't know if it would cover all the way up to
the top of the hill where theywere, although they did give
away a clue that this was likelyin either Massachusetts or
Vermont, somewhere in the upperNortheast, because he named two
other ski resorts while he wastalking to them.
He was like I've skied over atand he named two of them, which

(08:36):
both of those are in Vermont.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
So we know it's that area of the country.
So if we were to assume thatthis is up in the upper
Northeast, we could definitelysay that cell service would have
been a little more likely, evenat the resort.
Now, even if you were to say itdidn't, I mean that would kind
of make sense I would want tobelieve that there would be no

(08:59):
cell service, because at leastthat gives them an excuse to
lock up their phones.
What are you going to do withyour with a brick?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking, but also I
feel like just have it on you.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
I don't know, but it's easy to say in 2025, when
you literally don't walkanywhere without your phone,
sure, okay so I didn't have aproblem with anything at the
very very beginning of this,convincing the Lyft operator to
let them on, you know, bribinghim with a hundred bucks to to
get onto the lift without buyinglift tickets 75 or nothing but

(09:29):
what was cool?
While she first said 50?

Speaker 2 (09:31):
well, no, but to be fair, yeah, but I agree with her
point like what are you goingto ask for change right?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
clearly you have the hundreds right and so well, I
think that's what she was kindof going at, was like I could
give you 50.
, but in any case, when they got, you know they got on OK great.
And I even thought it was funnybecause I saw her and me and my
girlfriends and then when herand the two guys come up he's
all girlfriends.
Huh, it was funny.
But I thought that number one,the beginning part, OK,

(10:00):
definitely.
What did you guys think aboutthe foreshadowing?
Was that definitely?

Speaker 2 (10:11):
what did you guys think about the foreshadowing
was that was that as obvious toyou as it was to me?
The cable I mean this is.
This is a very the shutdown.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, no, this is a very uh dude, I changed my
nation.
Yes movie, which the girl inthis movie wasn't.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
A final destination movie oh, that's where I saw her
from.
Yeah, I looked it up earlier.
I can't remember which one, butI think it must have been
afterwards, because the the umimdb said that she had debuted
her movie.
Debut was in this, so it musthave been after this.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, no, but I know, I, I know, I recognize her face
yeah, I recognized her and thenthe I don't know the her like
boyfriend in this dude's bestfriend.
I uh, I don't know if I've seenhim in any other movie.
He just kind of reminded me ofwhat is it james franco's, james
franco.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah a mixturebetween like him and like some

(10:54):
other actor I can't remember,but I was just there was dan and
joe right it was dan and joe,yeah like who the fuck is this
guy?

Speaker 2 (11:01):
so I but we knew him as dan and lynch so lynch kind
of reminded me of the guy fromsupernatural a little bit,
didn't he lynch?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
is the little bit third wheel right yeah?

Speaker 1 (11:13):
he also.
He also kind of reminded me ofanother character that was in uh
final destination.
I'll have to look him up he'sin the rookie.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
I know I know him from that.
That's like a thing that'spopping now.
I like the rookie, but I likethat one.
But yeah, no, it was veryobvious foreshadowing.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
And yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
So, immediate foreshadowing Knew it All right.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
I'm going to take away the plot weaponry here.
All right, we're going to saythey get stuck somehow.
Somehow they get past the skilift, the what they call the
lifties, and they're stuck onthis, on this lift.
By the way, I I looked it upand the longest anybody's been
stuck on a lift was five hours,which don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
That's miserable, all right five hours stuck on a
lift.
That's just you know.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
And these conditions you may get a little bit like of
a start but like exactly,you're not gonna die, no, you'll
, you'll be fine, it's gonnasuck, I will, I will let and
these conditions, you may get alittle bit like of a start, but
like exactly You're not going todie, no, you'll be fine.
It's going to suck, I will, Iwill, let me.
Let me amend.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Let me amend, because the other part was they were
stuck in a gondola which it'sstill cold, but that's way
better.
It's much larger, you canactually move around.
You can actually stretch yourlegs.
The g you can actually movearound, you can actually stretch
your legs.
Uh, the gondola doesn't move aseasily and you're completely
secured inside.
So that freak out that parkerwas having wouldn't have
happened on on that big assgondola.

(12:33):
But nonetheless, five hours inan enclosed space could be
pretty rough.
Now they're all the way up.
They're stuck.
Let's just say they're, they'reactually stuck up there.
Uh, one of the things that uhwanted to ask you guys about is
I have my opinion.
You're up there and you dodecide to jump down.
Do you have anything that youwere looking at this movie

(12:55):
thinking you would have donedifferent?

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I would have kept the snowboard on at least.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Because he threw it and it was away from him.
So even if, like, he fell down,he can't get to it to even try
to slide away or do anything.
So I would have kept that on um.
Personally, I wouldn't havejumped, but I don't know if
we're gonna get to that laterwell, we'll get to that later.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
I'm gonna say, you know, we're gonna go through the
, the two different characters,um the two different methods of
doing this I would have at.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Maybe I think the trees were a little too far away
to jump to.
I would have tried to break myfall in some way.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I agree with that.
So you're forced to jump.
You decide you're going to doit.
You jump, you're going to leaveyour snowboard on Eric, do you
have anything to add?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I would definitely leave my snowboard on because
I'm kind of thinking you have tobreak that momentum of falling
straight down and I think it'sat an incline where they're
dropping.
So if he drops with a snowboard, maybe he can get some momentum
going the other way and shifthis momentum so that he doesn't
snap his legs the way he did.

(13:59):
But also I would have asked Joeto kind of dangle from the seat
and I would have dangled fromhim and held on to his shoes,
which is kind of how Chick endsup at the end Because she had
like.
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
It started falling and then, it gave her a little
bit more less of a fall, Becauseit was dangling.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, the security line that one fell quite a bit
because the the cable snapped,but um, not the cable the uh,
the safety yeah yeah, the safety, what was holding the?

Speaker 1 (14:35):
the chair onto the chair to the cable.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So but that's what I would have done, I would have
dangled from him.
It's not gonna take off toomuch, it's gonna take off like
six, five, six feet, but that'snot nothing.
So I'll tell you, I don't thinkjumping one of the things.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
That's very common in ski resorts they do not plow
underneath the lifts.
So if it was that much snow, uh, in the upper northwest,
northeast uh, you're talkingabout a lot of snow that's
probably anywhere from 14 to 22feet of snow, depending on when
they opened the the resort.
If they're only open onweekends, we could assume that

(15:12):
this might have been earlier orlater in the season, but judging
by the weather, I'm going tosay it was earlier.
Um, that's not common that theyclose down like that, unless
it's for, uh, they have regularweather increments, the in
between the snow lifts.
They never plow underneath.
So what you would want to do isyou would want to leave your
board on now.
Neither of you actually saidthe reason, the, the reason I

(15:34):
was looking for and I'll tellyou what it was.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Can I, can I?
Can I say what I was I wasgonna?
So he fell straight, vertical,right.
So parkour rule number one ifyou're jumping off something,
you try to roll.
I was going to say that, but Ididn't want to cut off air.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Continue.
I know what you're going to say, though.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
What I was going to say is you leave your board on.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
You're going to sink.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
No, you leave your board on because it's a flat
surface that when you hit thatsnow it will distribute the
impact.
It will still hurt, but becauseyou're landing on an actual
flat surface you're not likelygoing to roll and break your
legs the way he did.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
I think in my brain I thought that, but I didn't say
that.
I didn't think I thought it butI didn't think it.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I know what you mean.
In my head I visualize, I canvisualize the physics of it and
how I think it would be the bestto do, and so I think I know I
understand what TJ's saying.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
So what two things that you guys?
You actually did say this alittle bit, tj, not for the same
reason, but you gave the answerthat I was looking for.
You want to go at an angle,because you never want to go
straight down like that.
What you would rather do is hitthe mountain sliding right.
If you're not going to, ifyou're not going to, if you're
not going to land dangle, thebottom and kind of swing swing

(16:45):
yourself and go.
But if you're going to swingyourself, the reason I'm going
to say swing yourself is youswing yourself to land
underneath the lifts.
You want to be in between theup and the down chairs and that
will be the softest landingbecause they never plow right
there which, like so, also keepolympic like snowboarders right
launch themselves like you know,and they they jump off of

(17:07):
helicopters and, yeah, they jumpoff of if you land right,
you're gonna be okay.
Right now it's gonna hurt, um.
So the other thing, uh, thatwe'll get to I guess we could do
this now is once he broke hislegs.
Uh, that was, you know, we knowthose, anybody who hasn't seen
this movie.
They were both legs compoundfractures below the kneecap, so

(17:30):
he was bleeding.
Was it below the kneecap?
Yeah, yeah Both legs were belowthe kneecap.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
It was devastating.
He couldn't move and he wastrying to even grab that
handkerchief that they threwdown to him to tie around his
legs.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Which is like I know you got to do something, but
what is that going to do?

Speaker 1 (17:51):
And so now, if you're in that situation, something
that I kind of I understood butI kind of got mad at is he still
could have slid himself.
When he started going numb andhe did say it a little bit later
he was like it doesn't hurt sobad anymore, and they were like
no, no, that's good.
He's like no, it's not good,and you're right, it's not good.
But you could have startedsliding.

(18:12):
At that point I can't feelanything.
Now it's time you got to dosomething.
You did what you could to stopthe bleeding, which was not a
lot, and I completely agreedwith him.
Everybody else, keep yourjackets on, keep everything on.
And, um, I did think that thatthere was a major problem with
how he jumped, because when hejumped you're watching his feet

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he jumped straight down.
We all saw that.
Now again, he likely would havelanded in unpacked snow, which
should have been fine.
But let's just pretend.
Then she grabs her scarf andthrows it to him.
Do you see how far away shethrew it to hit like?
yeah, I why wouldn't she havejust dropped it down?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
she should have just dropped it, but I was assuming
that the wind caught it.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
That's what it kind of she threw it, she overhanded
it.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, she should have dropped it.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I agree, and you know that it should have just been
dropped because later on, no hewent straight down because there
was a whole leg cam yeahbecause, when they were breaking
the ice, and later on when theywere banging the ice.
It was falling all on his head,so she should have just dropped
the scarf, but she like threwit.
Worst character in the movie shethrew yeah, that was pretty bad
.
So you have, um, you have twocompound fractures.

(19:24):
Uh, one of the things that Iwould actually say, well, I'm
going to.
I'm going to let you guysanswer before I say my thing.
You have two compound fractures.
You're on the mountain, you'rein the snow Uh, what is your
best bet?
And you have these two idiotfriends who are throwing things
away from you, making you reachfor them.
Uh, do you have any plan?

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, my plan is I'm not going to tourniquet my legs.
I'm going to hope that I startto bleed out so fast that I pass
out and just die peacefully inthe snow, because you're not
surviving this anymore afterthat.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Well, that's the end of the episode.
Thank you very much, everybody.
Yeah, I just.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I think at that point it's all about comfort.
You're not surviving, so I'mjust hoping to pass out as soon
as possible.
I'm hoping that the second Isee my legs I pass out from
shock and never wake up again no, because that's best case
scenario.
Are you trying to survive this?

Speaker 3 (20:13):
tj I would have at least, like, tried to use my
numbness to get to my board totry to slide, but, like you know
, I'm looking down at my legsand they're poking out where
they're not supposed to poke outso right, I would probably
cover myself in snow so that mybody is preserved when they find
me okay if I'm dan, I'm nottrying to survive so okay.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
So the thoughts that I had on this are I don't know
what these people do, but, but Iusually wear pants underneath
my snowboard gear, yeah, layers.
And the other thing is I always, always have two knives on me.
I've never been to a ski resortwhere they metal detect,

(20:58):
because you have so much metalon you anyway, it would be,
ridiculous, so I would assume Iwould still have my knives on me
.
You cut your pants, you makeyourself.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Now here's the worst part you're gonna be like you
cut both your legs off, you turnand get the nubs well, here's
you, slide down on the nubshere's the worst

Speaker 1 (21:18):
numbing your legs once you're numb, the only thing
you can do is push those bonesback inside and and then you
have to wrap the wounds and thenyou have to try to get yourself
out of there to like push onthe bone itself, or maybe like
try to tie yourself to somethingand use your weight to pull
your legs.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
I would?

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I would probably try to.
Uh, I would probably try to usesome sort of leverage.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Because to try to push, I mean unless your legs
are completely numb and you feelnothing, if you're able to mess
around with the bones stickingout of your legs and you don't
feel it then Theoretically, Iwould do it One leg.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
You could have put your boot into your snowboard
and used your other leg to pushit down because it's locked in.
And that would have been someleverage, but it was both legs
so that wouldn't be useful.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Ironically speaking, the most likely reason why he
would have compound fracturedboth legs like that is because
of his ski boots, because theylock your leg so rigid, your
ankle and your foot, that theonly place it can move is going
to be at the knee.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
The next place of least resistance.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
So the boots were a problem here, but I think the
boots could have been a solutionsomewhere else well, so now I
want to get to the wolves.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Do you guys have any knowledge of how to survive
wolves?
um, I should take off the alphaand you gain their okay well,
first let me let me give you umfrom all natural, like uh,
wildlife reports.
The most common attacks comefrom four categories it's

(23:00):
provoked, it's um predatory,it's rabies or it's um
aggressive in that in that order.
So you either provoke a wolf tomake it attack a human.
They do not attack humans isthe point I'm making.
It's not common.
As I said, in 20 years therewere I don't think I said this
number.
In 20 years there have been 500wolf attacks, only 26

(23:25):
fatalities, and the most commonof the 500, 366 of them were
injuries caused by rabid wolves.
So this isn't a common thingfor a wolf to attack.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
So this was major plot weaponry that these wolves
would attack the guy.
Heavily populated areas such asthat's number one.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Number one is they don't, they won't come around,
no well, we talked about thisearlier, where we were saying,
where you were saying, that well, we both agreed that animal
behavior would dictate that theywould eventually realize a
pattern that the humans come forthe weekend and then they're
gone throughout the week.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
But you see, bears do that.
They would not approach thehumans.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, so here's the thing A human who was walking
normally sure, but an injuredhuman who is clearly completely
even incapacitated.
Now I think them going afterjoe is weird, you know, even
children.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
It's not common for wolves to attack people.
In the order I listed, thoseare the known attacks provoked.
Is the most common?
Uh, the most likely.
I should say not the mostcommon, the most likely.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
So you have wasn't territorial on the list.
No, oh, I thought you said wellit's like um, that would be
provoked.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
It's like you came across their feeding ground.
They kill, they have a kill,they have a fresh kill and you
approach it, they're going todefend themselves.
They think that you're comingafter their kill.
Um, it's also their den withtheir cubs.
If you approach their den withtheir cubs, if you approach
their den with their cubs in it,they will attack.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, they wouldn't have made it then that close
those are defensive.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
One of the most common searches that I did on
wolves in this scenario, thisparticular movie, is that if
these wolves would have beenthere that fast to unalive Dan
and remain nearby, that skiresort would have had problems
with wolves killing people yeah,they were hunting them down.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
That that's not.
That's not normal.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, they were waiting for for joe and wolves
are typically afraid of humansmy theory is that the first wolf
just a lion ass motherfucker,that's just a liar.
He was like hey yo guy like he.
You know, he growled at him.
He's like, oh yeah, he's kindof he's kind of being mean to me
, you know, he growled at him.
He's like, oh yeah, he's kindof he's kind of being mean to me
, you know.
So he went back.
You heard him how he was likehey yo bro attacked me and he

(25:37):
started limping and then theyall came like oh shit, got the
whole squad now.
I believe that people up theretoo, did it too.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
It's crazy I believe that you know why?
Because we have a dog who, whenshe comes to board, every time
she she goes home, the owneralways goes hey, was she limping
on her last day?
And we're like, no, we loadedher up and everything.
We didn't notice a limp at all.
Maybe she stepped off of thevan, weird.
And the owner's like no, shedoes this sometimes.

(26:07):
Actually, it's probably like,oh no, I'm hurt.
Don't leave me again kind ofthing.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
So so, yes, dogs do this this is, that would be uh,
that would be even more rare,because that would be a wolf.
Now I will tell you the wolvesthat you want to be afraid of
are wolves that are not afraidof humans right.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
So because they're either sick or so let's get
around the plot.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Weaponry brave, well?
Well, yeah, wolves that aresick are very common.
Wolves that are predatory, I'msorry, wolves that are sick that
attack humans are one of thetop four most common.
That includes rabies, but themost common being provoked also
includes that if the wolf isinjured.

(26:49):
So if the wolf is injured, andthe proper way to ward off a
wolf who seems to be aggressive,do you know what it is?
Do you guys want to give me ashot?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I mean, I don't know if it's the right answer, but my
thought if I was Dan I wouldhave been loud and big, kind of
similar to like a bear.
I'm trying to be the biggeranimal so that it goes too much
work.
I don't want to deal with thatyeah, what's?

Speaker 3 (27:14):
what's that one liam neeson movie where they marketed
it like, oh yeah, he's gonna bebeefing with wolves, the entire
movie.
And then it was only at the endgray yeah, gray, uh, I would.
So I would.
I would turn into liam neesonat the end of that movie and I
would just go.
I'll be like, yeah, you know,I'd like wrap my, I'd pull out
my femur, sharpen it on a rockdamn that's metal, so that's

(27:38):
metal as fuck.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Okay, so both of those things are actually
accurate.
You want to be as big as youcan be and you want to be as
loud as you can be, and you wantto wave your arms around.
Yeah, and now Dan is screwed.
Okay, but Dan is screwedbecause he's immobile.
But if you're able to moveabout, you want to be standing
up.
Do not turn your back on a wolfever.

(28:01):
You may want to try to.
I want to say this verycarefully you want to make some
movements, as if you're going tocharge it, but you need to be
very careful because you couldprovoke an attack if that wolf
is protecting something.
But if it's just an aggressivewolf that's coming at you.
So one of the recommendationsis you back away, make your

(28:24):
hands big.
You're waving them, you'remaking a lot of noise, you're
clapping your hands and you'rebacking away slowly.
You keep your eyes on the wolf.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, I was going to say maintain eye contact.
As you're clapping your handsand you're backing away slowly.
You keep your eyes on the wolf,yeah, and if it's still
following you, because I thinkthat's like a thing with dogs.
Is that yep first to back?
So?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
so they know that you're watching them here's.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Here's the thing with , with what you're saying, um,
with the making movements, kindof like lunging at them.
You want to do that whenthey're coming at you, hold on.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
That's where I was saying you.
When they're walking towardsyou, you back away and they keep
following you.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
That's when, yeah, you want to do like you're
telling them, like a lunge yeah,it's similar to what a dog will
do to another dog, a dog who'strying to walk away from a
situation.
If another dog keeps pressingthem, they're gonna, they're
gonna lunge, they're gonna tryto warn them first and before
they usually before they go fullaggro, right, um, but don't
don't do that to a dog who'salready walking away from you,

(29:16):
right, because now you'reprovoking you could provoke the
attack.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Now you're cornering a dog is you know he had full
access to his arms, so what hereally could have done is like,
while the dog's biting him, orthe wolf or whatever, shove your
finger in its butt.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
It'll stop yep, I mean, there's that.
Another one that they tell youto do is shove your whole fist
down its throat hard to bitethat if it can't, if it can't
breathe it's not gonna bite lung, so you're saying the most
metal things.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
This episode I always keep an extra one on me the one
.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well, remember though .
Remember, didn't he, didn't hehave?
No, they didn't throw him the.
They didn't throw him the skipole.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
No, they were okay.
That's another thing I wantedto bring up.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
They should have thrown him the ski pole.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
When the snow started coming down like hard, why
didn't they pull up their hoods?

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Why didn't he put his mask on?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Zip up his thing all the way he had his fucking
goggles it's like needles.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, block yourself yourself what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
he had his goggles and he didn't put them on at all
yeah, like that would havehelped, and then they're just
wasting so before we get to joe,uh, well, no, yeah, we're about
to get back to joe.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
So just for the listeners, um, reading from a to
z animalscom.
How common are wolf attacks?
Wolf attacks are rare.
There have been less than 500wolf attacks over the last 20
years.
Four different type of wolfattacks there are four different
types.
There's provoked, predatory,rabid and aggressive.
A provoked attack is a wolfacting in defense.

(30:45):
Predatory attacks happen when awolf attacks humans as food,
and this usually only happenswith sick wolves, so they're not
capable of fending forthemselves in a normal setting.
Right, taking down moose,taking down, yeah, larger prey,
um, and then rabid wolves areone of the most common offenders
, but they're they're less fatal, if you will.
They haven't had so muchsuccess in, I guess, they don't

(31:06):
want to kill, they're more so,uh, attacking from the sickness.
And then the aggressive areusually walking too close to
their den, um, and they, theyget a little, they, the animal
gets aggressive see.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
the most normal wolf behavior I saw in this uh whole
movie was when she even this waskind of like I feel like she
still got too close.
But when she pulled up on joe'sbody and the wolf was kind of
just growling at her and thenwas like all right, you're not
trying to steal my food, andthen went back, that is kind of
the most normal because if theyalready got their kill they're

(31:40):
not just hunting for sport.
But I think she pulled up tooclose.
I think they definitely wouldhave would have gone at her for
getting that close.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I'll also say this Another thing that was plot
weaponry, um, and this, theyactually did this okay, uh,
let's just wait for the uh, themaintenance to come tomorrow.
They're closed until friday.
You really think that they'regonna come tomorrow?
Well, actually, yes, resortsare that are closed for more
days than they're open.
Usually take every single daythat they have to maintain the

(32:11):
grounds.
I kind of figured something likethat there would have been
people up there doing stuff, sothey most likely would have been
driving the snow cats all upand down the mountains.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
It would have just been surviving that first night.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
That would have been it.
And so let me see, there wassomething kind of funny that I
read here that I wanted to readto you guys was the see, there
was something kind of funny thatI read here that I wanted to
read to you guys was um, thethere was a wolf that runs
across the the grounds.
Uh, when it was coming afterjoe, it had a leash on.
Oh, one of the wolves had aleash on yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
So I noticed when the wolves were devouring dan that
it literally just looked like ifI went and sat down in one of
the yards at work it would lookthe exact same.
The dogs were like sniffing him, licking him.
There was one dog that wastrained to like bite at his
sleeve and pull at him, yeah,but all the other dogs were just
like chilling, walking aroundhim.
So and then it cuts to a scenewith him with like ketchup all

(33:04):
in his mouth and he's like andthen it cuts to the dog.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
She's like so, uh, one of the thing that's that's
pretty, pretty cool was thesewere real wolves.
Josh has been saying that inthe in the chat, but I read it
on here yeah, yeah, they arereal, real wolves One of the
IMDB trivia posts.
Kevin Zegers did the scene withthe wolves starting to swarm
around him just before theactual attack.

(33:28):
Without a stunt double.
When one of the wolves got tooclose for comfort, the trainers
had to pull the wolves away.
The filming had to stop.
In the film you can see a fewframes of the black wolf walking
right up to kevin ziger's faceas kevin tries to look away for
help from the crew.
Oh, isn't that wild that'scrazy.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, I I honestly.
That's very surprising thatthey would even let them use
real wolves I think you wouldjust use a bunch of shepherds
who kind of look like wolveslook close enough or cgi it.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
But I thought they would be like not real, like
full-blooded wolves.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
So so now um because there's wolf mixes another.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Well, yeah another.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Another funny one that they did was, uh, in the
scene where when the wolf takesdown joe, it's a border collie
in that shot.
That's so they.
They use some trickery.
Uh, what's sad is the germanshepherd that was trained to do
the stunt mysteriously died twonights before the scene scene
was shot.
Oh, doesn't that suck.
So what I wanted to?

(34:26):
Uh, get to real quick.
Here we're we taking up sometime, but this is a good episode
.
We're back up on the chairlift,dan is expired and when you
climb up onto the lift cable,one of the things that I've been
reading is those cables arekept smooth, they are not jagged
, they're not razor sharp andthere's no reason for them to be
razor sharp.

(34:46):
And actually, if they wererazor sharp, from everything
that I've read, it would havebeen replaced, because if it's
razor sharp, that shows that theouter cable is fraying.
And if the outer cable isfraying.
That's very, very dangerous.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
It's going to start fraying faster and faster.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
So what they do is the inner cable is the strength,
the outer cable is theelasticity, and the outer cable
will stretch and it's coated.
So they could have gone adifferent route in this one and
said that because of the coatingand the ice it would have been
extremely slippery and hard togrip yeah, so so I have a
solution for both situationseither smooth, probably eric's

(35:25):
solution okay, eric go okay, soyou try it with your hands.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
It didn't work.
You barely got back in time.
Your hands are all cut up fromthe wire right.
My thought was take off one ofyour boots, your left boot, put
your left hand inside your leftboot and stick that on the cable
.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
That's actually a very smart idea.
I did not think of that.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Grab your right hand, put it on top of the boot, zip
line your way down.
Now here's where it gets risky.
I don't know how steep thatcable is and if you're going to
get too much momentum and smackinto that other chair.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I would rather get too much momentum than not
enough.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Imagine you get stuck halfway, but even then you can
still hold on with the boot anduse your other hand to slide
yourself forward withoutdestroying both of your hands.
Yeah, I think he could haveutilized his boot there, because
those boots are solid yeah,yeah, they're strong so that,
that's, that was my thought.
Um it also it's a little lessweight hanging, because he was

(36:25):
saying his boots were so heavyyeah and they were dragging him
down, that's not bad.
My idea was that took me likefive minutes of the movie, just
sitting there thinking like ifyou can't do your hands, how
else would you do it?
I was, the gears were turning,the smoke was coming out.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Depending on what material it's made out of,
either the skis or the ski poles.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I thought those two yes.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
I don't think one would be good, but I think two
would be enough to like ifthey're like metal or like
carbon fiber or something youknow.
I think that would be enough tohold your weight and you'd be
able to slide.
I did look up like what thepoles are made out of, and they
can be made out of like aluminumor like carbon fiber or fucking
bamboo, but you know it's notbamboo.

(37:10):
But that or the skis themselves.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
I thought, that too Skis are pretty thick and
substantial.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
You stack them on top of each other.
Grip freaking slide.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
They're meant to bend a bit.
The thing with that situationis you don't want to grab far
apart, because I think that'llput too much pressure on the
center.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
You want to grab close uh, close to the center
zipline, you know like yeah,essentially the same idea.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
But yeah, I did consider that, but by the time
he was doing that, I think he'dalready thrown everything down
trying to to signal yeah, getthe snow cats attention no, like
I wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
I would have kept my shit on as it was rolling up, I
would have started throwingthings exactly not when he's
coming that way.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
That's why it's so final destination.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
It's because, like just so happened, like dude
wasn't looking and then he justyeah, just drives away right,
which, by the way, that wasanother fucking ridiculous thing
.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Snow cats don't go backwards down a mountain they
will have a back window theywill turn around he did
eventually turn around, but Idon't know why he went back to
begin with you would.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
You would what?
What you would have seen him do?
Because where they were at wasmore of like a flattened area,
so he would have driven through.
And again, the fact that hecame up on their left where
there was no slaloms there wasno, what do you call it?
What do you call it?
That wasn't a part of the runOn the left wasn't a part of it.
That was the woods.
Right On the right was the run.

(38:43):
That's where the snowcat wouldhave been coming up.
So it was a little absurd thathe would have come up so close
to them.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Well, it was a little absurd that he would have come
up so close to them where hesaid he was cutting through the
woods to get to.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Oh, did he?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
yeah, I didn't hear him because they called him on
the radio and they were likewhere you at?
And he was like I'm cuttingthrough the woods to get so and
so and they're like, no, healready got back down here.
Get, get your ass over here sowe can all leave.
And he was like all right, andthat's when he that's when he
started backing up they threwsomething and it hit the truck
or the snowcat.
He looked and he was like nevermind and and started going back
, which I don't know how.

(39:15):
He didn't see all the gear.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
That was just laying on the ground in front of him.
Yeah, that they had, that theyhad thrown down I also.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
I guess he just wasn't looking for it like I.
I could understand, like if youdo that job all the time you
don't really imagine that oneday you're gonna see gear on the
ground.
So you don't really look for it.
But okay.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
So, um, we're now.
We're with joe, we've gottenoff onto the tower, which I
thought was a great idea.
Yeah, you get to that tower,you climb down.
It has ladders brilliant.
Here was a part that botheredme he gets the snowboard and
what did he do?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
sit down on it he doesn't know how to snowboard
they mentioned they mentionedthat in the beginning, where dan
said, like when you're gonnaget off of those things and get
on one of these?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
he doesn't know how to snowboard, so that's why he
sat on it okay I mean it wouldhave been, it would have been
more worth it for him to havegone up and gotten his skis like
I understood the, the principle, the wolves are coming after
him.
But as soon as he got that skipole, now he has a weapon and
you make yourself big once again.
I'm just going to repeat youmake yourself big, you, you

(40:17):
flail the, the snow, the skipole, adam and you didn't they?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
they threw one of the ski poles to the first dude.
Did he get dragged away with it?

Speaker 2 (40:27):
no, no, he didn't, but here's the thing they did
they threw one of the ski polesthey.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
So that's the part that bothered me.
No, why did no stop wait?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
wait, joe stabbed the the wolf.
She went to throw one of theski poles, or I she went to, I
think, one of the ski poles inthe beginning to dan and she
threw it like way, way far awayfrom him and he couldn't go get
it because he had broken legs.
So dan never had a weapon todefend himself.
Joe did when he got down fromthe, from the tower.

(40:57):
So joe had a weapon.
He should have found his skis.
But here's why I think hewouldn't have been able to find
his skis is because I think hedid throw his skis down to try
and signal the hellcat yeah andovernight it had snowed.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
So much Not.
Hellcat, snowcat, snowcat.
There's a Hellcat just goingthrough in the snow Hellcat's a
little different.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
No, the Snowcat.
But it had snowed so much thatnight that it covered Dan's body
, so I think the skis would havebeen buried in the snow.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Okay, well, I mean that's a little much, because
with that much snow, if it couldcover a body at that point
again you're talking about, theyreally could have jumped.
They would have landed infucking powder.
Oh yeah, it would have beenlike landing on a pillow after
the first night, they shouldhave jumped onto dan's body.
They also would have had dan'sbody to break their fall, which
is a little morbid, but itwouldn't have been a lot of meat

(41:45):
left if it was a pack of wolvesno, but I would have devoured
most of it.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
It's something, and you're already landing in a
bunch of powdered snow I thinkthe powdered snow part is for me
, okay.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
So joe gets down.
He has that, that ski pole.
Uh, number one.
How are you gonna let them get?
Because he could still stand up.
I understand that he's he'ssliding down on the snowboard,
but if they're gaining on you atany point, you can stand up and
swing at them, hit them, pokethem, stab them, do anything
that you can to let them knowthat you're you're not to be

(42:17):
messed with, uh.
But okay, now we get past Joegetting devoured.
We'll just say that he was aweakling Uh when Parker came
down.
Uh, I will let me ask you guysif you would have done anything
different there with Joe.
When it came fucking tumbling atme, she, she just kind of laid

(42:37):
there, you know.
Let me go back.
Let me go back to joe realquick would you have done
anything different to survivethat?
Um so I have wolves chasing you.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
You can't snowboard, so you're, you have to butt
scoot, but I I I just thought ofsomething funny.
What if he just like ran up,grabbed the the other snowboard,
attached both snowboards toeach leg?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
It's just like mega skis.
That would be so ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Now, that would have been a movie I would have tried
to use the snowboard as somesort of shield in the you know
whatever.
What's it called the ski pole?
Yeah, as a weapon.
You know, I would have hold itup and just try to fend him off.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
They come bite me yeah, okay, I would have
snowboard.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
stab him, it's the best you can do, because he knew
that the wolves were down there.
They seen him as he was, youknow.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
And they're chasing.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
It's a pretty long distance down to the bottom.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Okay, all right.
What do you think, eric?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I mean, I'm not going to lie I don't think there's
anything Joe could do.
Once those it was a pack ofwolves, it wasn't one.
There's nothing you're going todo if a pack of wolves decides
that you're its next meal.
In that situation I don't thinkthere's anything you could do.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
So I only have theory .
I've never had to face a packof wolves.
Your your best bettheoretically is you attack the
weakest link, yeah, and you.
What you want to do is you wantto kill it.
There's, no, there's.
You can't stop.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
So this is not a mercy, this is you don't show
mercy in this regard, because ifyou kill one, they're going to
be like oh, it's not worth it.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
That's what you want.
You want a wild animal to lookat you and say, nope, not worth
it.
We're worth it.
We're going to spend moreenergy trying to get this guy
down than we will.
Let's just go get a moose.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Same thing with big cats or something like that Same
thing with big cats.
They want to just stalk theirprey and get an easy kill.
They don't want to fight for it.
They want to catch you bysurprise.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
If you see them coming at you and you're able to
take a defensive posture, itjust may not be worth it for
them, and I think that, usingsome of these techniques, joe
could have had a better fightingchance, which is, maintain eye
contact with what you would tryto presume is the alpha and
scream at it, holler at it, wavethe pole, stab at it and make

(44:49):
them kind of think twice andback away, keep backing away.
Will that be the longestmovement ever?
Absolutely.
It will take you forever to getback to your car.
You're going to uh.
By the way, I didn't even thinkof this until right this minute
.
How do those uh lifties notknow that there's still a car in
their parking lot?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
so that's what was confusing they.
They showed us the car at theend.
They showed us the car at theend and then the car that she
got into the guy was saying Ichecked, there was no cars at
the resort.
Oh, interesting, okay, butliterally the scene before they
showed their car buried in thesnow because she had no keys.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
One of the two guys had the keys, okay, well, so
there's some plot holes here,but anyway, so now you go back
to Parker.
I think you're right.
Uh, tj, I like your response.
You do something.
You see how, when she, when thechair fell off of the cable, my
immediate thought was jump,lady, jump.
She's still holding on right,holding on for dear life, but

(45:49):
she's so much lower and it wasclearly indicated when she
finally did fall, she fell likefive feet right.
Hit the ground.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Compared to them.
Yeah, I don't think like, if itstarted like, oh, I'm like, oh,
this is going to fall, I don'tthink I would get like and start
dangling from it, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Like.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
I would lay on like, because it's like padded.
Yeah, lay down Like an elevatorlay on like because it's like
padded.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, lay down like an elevator you're supposed to
lay down in the elevator if it'sgoing down, yeah, so I would
have no.
But here's the thing like thatdoesn't actually save you no,
but it would distribute the masswhat like yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
That's what it's supposed to do yeah you lay down
on an elevator floor.
It's supposed to distribute thethe impact.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yeah, so it's not on your ankles when I was a kid, I
thought you were just supposedto jump.
I thought the same thing Rightbefore the bottom, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Because it's falling.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
I'm not falling, of course.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Right, you just jump right before the end, and then
you'll just land safely, do youalso?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
believe that the earth is flat.
I said when I was a kid.
I probably did when.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
I was six, but hear me out If you did.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I believe it too.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Theoretically, jump hard enough, it could work.
Well, I cause I always as hardas you were falling?
Yeah, you would, but you canknow if you would have to.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
You would have to jump with.
You would have to jump with theforce greater than gravity.
Oh no, not, not grab but notgravity Um what not in gravity
um what?

Speaker 3 (47:11):
what is it inertia?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
yeah, terminal velocity you would have to jump.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Uh, no, with more force than that.
Completely understand the logicof it, but as a six-year-old I
totally believe you could do it.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
I believed it way longer than six.
Yeah, no that's just.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
That's just when I remembered it, because I
remember going to a uh, achristmas party at my dad's work
.
He worked at the bonaventurehotel, which has all glass
elevators, and I was soterrified going in those
elevators I felt like I wasgoing to fall out of it.
Like it's fully enclosed, but Ifelt like I was going to fall
out of it because it'scompletely glass and I laid down
on the floor and I was, Iremember, thinking like if it
falls I'm gonna have to get upand jump before it hits the

(47:50):
ground yeah, when I was anotherfunny kid story.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Kids say the darndest things.
Um, when I was a kid Iattributed the word skyscraper
to the wrong thing.
So you know those, the planes,how they make like a chem trails
right through the sky yes yes,like they're scraping the sky
skyscraper oh so I was like, hey, look at that skyscraper my
friend's.
Like that's a plane, idiot.

(48:17):
No, it's scraping that's aplane.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Well, what's a skyscraper then?

Speaker 3 (48:22):
the building.
Why is it called a building ifit's already built anyways, whoa
, whoa, whoa yo so that's sotrue why do you did that?

Speaker 1 (48:36):
hit you why do you park on a driveway and drive on
a parkway?

Speaker 3 (48:40):
crazy.
Did you know that the wordskyscraper came from the top of
the masts of ships?
Nice?

Speaker 1 (48:46):
why are deliveries sent by ship cargo and delivery
sent by car shipment?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
doesn't make any sense ah we really like to do
opposite shit, like greenlandand iceland oh my god, that's so
annoying that one, at leastthat one at least no, no, no,
that one makes sense.
That one is hilarious.
The reason they did it, thatwas to ward off vikings.
It was literally so.
It was like no, you don't wantto come here.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
You don't want to come here.
It's nothing but ice oh, itsucks.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Here man, here man.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Now Greenland on the other hand, boy, do you want to
go check out?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Greenland and the Vikings get in like fuck we got
bamboozled again.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
We got to turn around .

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Turn around.
Let's go back to that Icelandplace.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Why would they call this place Greenland?
There's no green.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
So we've covered all of it.
I will say, let me just inrecap you ever find yourself in
a ski resort Number one.
You never go anywhere out inthe wild without being prepared.
You're in bear country.
Carry bear spray.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Also, why night ski?

Speaker 1 (49:48):
I don't have a problem with night skiing.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I love night skiing.
I don't know, that doesn't seemlike a great idea.
I mean, if the park is open,but if it's not a place that
does night skiing I love nightskiing.
I don't know, that doesn't seemlike a great idea.
I mean, if the park is open,but if it's not a place that
does night skiing normally, whywould you want to be out there
at night?
Because they're not preparedfor that, okay here's here's.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Another thing about it is you always want to
understand that there's reasonspeople do things.
Uh, they were shutting down thelifts for a particular reason.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
It was for weather.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
And it's just not that wise to be like no, come on
, this is so much more importantthan my safety.
Yeah, you know it's.
Hey, maybe let the people whodo this every day tell you like
hey, maybe you don't want to goup there because this weather's
coming in.
We're cutting it early, we'recalling it, we do this all the
time.
Hey, maybe they're ripping youoff off of, uh, 15 bucks.

(50:35):
But that was the thing thatpissed me off about these guys.
I would have understood thisbetter if they would have gone
and bought all of the tickets.
Yeah, because that would havebeen about 80 bucks a ticket,
they got a major discount, yeahand they're paid 100 bucks and
then they're complaining aboutit earned something or that
they're.
They deserve something, not tomention, they paid eight.
They paid 100 bucks for threeof them, and then they go and

(50:57):
spend however much time sittingin the freaking cafeteria.
This is all your fault.
Yeah, all three of you.
You're stupid.
Why are you doing this?
You go and you force your wayon there.
So, number one, pay attentionto the weather.
It's not like you're you'reever really surprised by the
weather when you're going skiing.
You look what's going to happen.

(51:18):
There's weather expected, solet's go early, or whatever the
case right.
Then, when you're on thefreaking lift, it's not likely
that you're ever going to getleft behind.
They have safety measures, sodon't think that this is going
to happen to you.
If it does, and you do have tojump off of a lift, maybe you
want to try doing something alittle different than they did.

(51:38):
Aim for between the lifts,where it's uh, not packed down,
and leave your snowboard or yourgear while you're snowboard on
there's also so that you don'tbreak your knees.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
That don't even lift you into the air, they just kind
of drag you up the mountain.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
You'll just be on skis or snowboard and most of
ours in california still yeah,still airlift, you go way up.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
But um, I used to think like I could totally jump
off of that, but no, those are.
Those are a little higher thanyou think.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
They are way higher than you think they are but with
enough snow, I mean, the reasonwhy they're so high is because
in many of those places, like ifyou go up to Lake Tahoe,
heavenly they get so much snow,that it's not that high, and so
I mean you could see at thebeginning of the season it's
like a 20-foot drop, in themiddle of the season it's like
an eight-foot drop.

(52:25):
It can be a very big difference.
Now you have the other part iswolves.
Don't typically attack people.
If you have aggressive wolves,there are methods and tactics
you can use to defend yourself.
You want to try to back awayfrom them, keeping eye contact,
making a lot of noise, clappingyour hands, getting anything you
have that you can put betweenyou and the wolf so that they

(52:46):
can't attack you.
Like a ski pole, the snowboardskis, anything.
Use anything, a femur.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Pull your own femur out or in, in his case, his
fibula and tibia metal.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
And and then, uh, no, ski lift cables are not razor
sharp, they're very rounded,smooth and coated.
Uh, that's for your safety, sothat they don't shred you up if
something goes wrong.
And uh, last but not least, uh,don't go out into the woods
unprepared.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Well, I actually have one more what If you lose a
glove?
In a situation like this, don'tput your hand on metal.
Don't put your hand on metal.
Why is it not?

Speaker 3 (53:25):
in your jacket.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Why are you not keeping your hand in your jacket
coat overnight?
My hand would be freezing.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
She did after that.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
My hands would be freezing.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
They would immediately be in there, they
would never leave my coat In mypants, right in my pants, that's
like the warmest spot dude.
In between my legs, my pantsbetween my thighs just tucked.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yep, I don't know.
So when I noticed that her handwas stuck to the metal, I I
thought of this video I saw of abird that had its feet stuck to
a railing and a human came upand cupped their hands around it
and sort of breathing some hotair on it and over time, over,
like you know, like a minute ortwo, it was warm enough that the

(54:12):
bird was able to fly away.
So I was thinking like Iwouldn't have just peeled my
hand off.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
I don't know if it really would have helped all
that much it would have helped,but and she could have been
smart and woken up joe- yeah andbe like help me, what should I
do?

Speaker 2 (54:26):
that was my thought.
Like, bro, you know what itwould have worked.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah, it would have worked is just before that, she
peed her pants and I was likewouldn't her butt get frozen?

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Frozen yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
I was going to say it would be so warm and nice at
first but that's going to get socold.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
She was lucky that it was during the day, though,
yeah, there was a chance.
There was a chance that itcould have dried.
But any final thoughts onFrozen from 2010?

Speaker 3 (54:55):
It's my nightmare.
Remember, guys keep an extrafemur on you.
It might just save your life.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Why not just keep a knife?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Femur is more metal.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Keep using them.
If you break a knife, all yougot is slashing damage.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
You know what guys?
Don't keep a femur on you.
Keep a telescopic baton.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Oh yeah, keep, no Better yet femur on you.
Keep a telescopic baton.
Oh yeah, keep, nah better.
Yeah, I've been playing uh,watchdogs too.
Uh, he, the main weapon you use, your melee weapon, is just
like a big steel, like a,probably like a fist size steel
ball, or like kind of like a, Iwould say maybe like a billiard
ball size, just on a rope.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Oh, that's like a mace.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Like a meteor hammer.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
No, what is that?
A flail?
A flail, yeah, like the mace ison a stick.
And, eric, your final thoughtsare this is your nightmare.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
This is my nightmare.
I don't like cold.
I really dislike the cold.
I get freezing here in SouthernCalifornia, where it doesn't
drop below 40 almost ever.
So yeah, I'm not built for thatkind of weather, I agree.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
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You can either search Will youSurvive the Podcast or type at
the boys at WIS.
It's the at symbol, the boys atWIS.

(56:25):
And let's see what else I think.
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You can send that to the boysat will you survive the
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And with that, I guess I needto announce a winner survive

(56:49):
gaming oh yeah yes, w-y-sunderscore gaming, you can also
I've been slacking

Speaker 2 (56:55):
in particular at underscore, gemini underscore,
and I can go live now yes, youcan go live and uh, we recently
went live recently and played.
We recently, recently, recently, uh, played ready or not, and
that was pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
We were a duo swap team I know you guys had a lot,
a lot of our viewers over onyour channel.
What, what well?
They came later to mine andthey were like, oh, we were
watching the gaming.
They told you yes, they told mewhat yeah, we did that sorry.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yeah, you fuckers picking up on guess what I?

Speaker 3 (57:31):
got $5 from it.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Why you got to go live on my night.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
You know, I didn't even think about it.
He was just like you want to golive and I was like, yeah, hell
, yeah.
So it's his fault, dicks.
Yeah, he should lose because ofthat.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
You know, minus 10 points.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yes, okay, but yeah, go follow, will you survive?
Uh, gaming, I've been slackinga little bit.
I apologize, but I'm gettingback to it.
In my defense it wasn't just mein my offense, in my defense, I
just started school, so I'mworking on a new schedule but
just so you guys know too uh, ifyou search at, will you survive
gaming.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
All one word.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
It also shows up yes that's what I put on all of the
all of the tiktok and instagramis the the profile icon.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Show it, show it.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
I have to go through.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Hold on, is it?
Oh, it's not.
It's not, neck Rick.
Okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Oh no, I know which one it is.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I know which one it is, Also for those who are in
the live right now.
Josh posted our Discord linkDiscord, so join our Discord if
you would like.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
There you can chat with us.
We have uh for subscribers foronly 2.99 a month.
We have our uh what do you callthat stuff?
Um selective content, uh,exclusive.
That's it exclusive content.
Sorry guys, I'm.
I'm really enjoying my uh, myadult apple juice here.
It's good stuff.
I changed it up today.
This is really good.

(58:56):
No, no, no, no, tj's five, mineis adult.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
I switched it up.
I was going hard on vitamin C.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
No, exactly, doesn't have any vitamins.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Vitamins.
See you later.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Plus five points.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
That was good.
Okay, killing it this.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
This is rigged I'm fucking killing it.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
That was good I like that, you know okay I think he
forgot to give us pointsthroughout the episode he's just
giving all the points right nowI didn't forget to give you
points.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I asked you guys, for all of your recommendations,
what you would do in every oneof those scenarios.
That's true.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
If we're going to accuse anybody, he is actually
way more prepared for everyepisode.
He does.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say.
If we're going to accuseanybody of doing anything
haphazardly, it's going to beone of us.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Well no, because I have the green book.
So it's really down to you,brother.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
It's going to be me.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, you do have the greenbook.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I'm not going to lie.
When I decide a winner, it isin that moment.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I'm not thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
The entire episode until the end.
And then one of you are like,so who won?
And I'm like, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Oh shit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I'm just enjoying the vibes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
I'm telling you these , uh, these last points I think
have affected the the outcomehere.
Oh, that seems good to mebecause, uh, I first on the
handshake deal gave tj 10 points, uh, but then he goes live on
my night and tries to tell mysubscribers to not tell me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Shame I didn't say that shame when I got off the
live I was like all right,everybody go over to the, you
know, will you survive right now?

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
shame, because I'm sure he's missing you, you know
I?

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I doubt that's true you're just mad because I'm
josh's josh josh tell me thetruth, josh's favorite josh, did
he tell you to come over to mylive?
This is your time to shine,josh.
There's no wrong answers.
I will not be mad at you, justat TJ.
Just at TJ.
Who's going to win this episode?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
It's in your hands Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I know right, Josh, out of context.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
He has to get out and say his live was better.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
I didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
So Josh just added context to the situation and to
say his live was better.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Wow, that's another five points.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
That is not what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I would never I're on .
I would never.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
I know I would never pull up the freaking stream bot
right now your honor.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I literally can't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
I don't even have enough followers I know this is
all on tj you actually do haveenough followers, because I
don't have enough followers togo live.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Actually, I think it's actually a glitch after
they brought it back.
I don't think a lot of thepeople who are able to go live I
don't.
It's actually a glitch afterthey brought it back.
I don't think a lot of thepeople who are able to go live,
I don't think they're supposedto be able to.
According to, tiktok rules.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I'm going to start taking advantage of that, then
try it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
You got to try it because I'm seeing there's a lot
of people press the plus at thebottom and then at the bottom,
if you see live yeah, probablygo live all right with all of
these latest.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Let's see here who are we giving the episode to.
This is close.
You guys, you guys always pullout these little squeakers, eric
one let's go and now, just foryour information, tj, although
I'm being absolutely honest,eric did actually get more
points after the end here, butbut I'm kind of punishing him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Four.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Because you have to do the next episode.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Oh Meh, I have an idea already.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
It's going to be a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Nah, we don't even have to watch a movie, guys.
What did you think?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Was this an okay movie or was it complete?

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
garbage.
I thought it was okay, I likedit.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
I mean, I liked the movie.
You know what we haven't done?

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Any of the remakes, any of the podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
That's true, oh my.
God Thank you for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Thank you so much for listening everybody.
Thank you all of you chattersfor staying engaged with us and
throwing your comments out there, especially you.
Everybody.
Thank you all of you chattersfor staying engaged with us and
throwing your comments out there, especially you, josh,
subscriber number one.
And you know, avoid themountains, don't get caught on a
ski lift after hours and don'ttry to fight wolves with two

(01:03:32):
broken legs True, and stay alive.
Don't try to fight wolves withtwo broken legs, true and uh,
stay alive.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Thank you.