Will you survive "the conjuring": Haunted Houses & Holy Water

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We watch the 2013 horror classic The Conjuring and examine how spiritual survival differs from physical survival in the face of demonic possession. Through our signature humor and candid conversation, we explore what it would take to survive a haunting.

• Discussing whether we believe in ghosts and demons and how they might exist in our world
• Exploring TJ's theory that ghosts are fragments of human souls that break off during traumatic moments
• Analyzing universal myths about spiritual entities across different cultures and religions
• Debating the importance of claiming spiritual authority when confronted with demonic entities
• Sharing personal experiences with unexplained phenomena in our own homes
• Examining the film's portrayal of Ed and Lorraine Warren versus the real-life controversy
• Highlighting the importance of family unity and communication during supernatural threats

Send us your movie suggestions and feedback at [e-mail] or find us on social media @WillYouSurviveThePodcast.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hello survivors and welcome to.
Will you Survive?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
The.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Podcast.
My name is Eric.
I am your host today.
I'm the host because I won lastepisode, because I'm just
really really good at what didwe do last time.
It was a handshake deal.
It was a what?
It was a handshake deal.
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm very good.
Do you remember what we didlast time?
That was the best episode ever.
It was the news.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, I'm really good atdiplomacy.
It's kind of why I'm here, butI'm joined by my two co-hosts,
Alex the offended.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
That's me.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
And TJ the loser.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I didn't lose, I just didn't win.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I thought you were going to go like this.
I thought you were going to belike Alex, the offended, and TJ,
the offender.
Caution.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Caution no.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
TJ's the.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
No, no, no, no yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yep yep Whoa, that's not what we're cautioning.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Caution, caution.
Alex has a fly rink A what Idon't know.
You told us what that was.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I thought you would have got that and I forgot.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I didn't tell you what it was.
He's already derailing.
You Wait, is that a bald thing?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah, okay, that's right, I do remember that
Host.
He's already derailing you.
I'm here for it.
You want to know why?
Because so the movie that wewatched, oh, audience, hello.
What we do here.
We watch a movie, usuallysomething with some sort of
survival aspect to it, and thenwe discuss said survival aspects

(01:50):
and whether or not we believethat we would even survive said
situation.
We normally stick to survivalor zombies in particular, but I
decided to derail us a littlebit and go more supernatural,
paranormal, demonic, which isthe conjuring, which in my
opinion, is one of the greatesthorror movies of all time.

(02:11):
Uh, and I think it, it poses adifferent sort of survival, not
so much, I mean, there isphysical survival in this, but
spiritual and paranormal.
Uh, so I kind of just want toopen it up.
Anybody have any particularthoughts about this movie?
You, so I?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
kind of just want to open it up.
Anybody have any particularthoughts about this movie?
You want me to read thestoryline since this was 2013?

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, sure, we always do.
Why are we deviating?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I feel like that should have been the other thing
.
Well, we actually haven't forquite a while.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Really no, we have.
We have, I guess for everymovie we have.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
We just haven't done a movie.
Yeah, no, no, we haven't.
Oh, did you read the Dawn ofthe Dead?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
No, technically.
Yeah, our last episode was amovie.
Because we were live, wewatched one.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, I watched two actually.
Yeah, but that was like a wholeseparate episode.
Anyways, what are your thoughts, Alex?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Well, in 1971, carolyn and Roger Perron moved
their family into a dilapidatedRhode Island farmhouse, and soon
strange things startedhappening around it, with
escalating nightmarish terror.
In desperation, carolyncontacts the noted paranormal
investigators ed and lorrainewarren to examine the house.
What the warrens discover is awhole area steeped in a satanic

(03:16):
haunting that is now targetingthe perron family wherever they
go.
To stop this evil, the warrenswill have to call upon their
skills and supernatural strengthto defeat this spectral menace
at its source that threatens todestroy everyone involved.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
TJ knows the exact moment that I noticed Necro
coming from the tree.
He saw the exact moment I sawthat.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
That's all Josh is going to do.
I still didn't see it.
That's comedy.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
There was a distinct look that hit my face and I
clocked.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
TJ noticing it.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I was waiting for somebody to say something that's
a beautiful idea.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
So basically, nekrik is the demon of this movie,
apparently Beth Nekrik I thinkthat might be its name.
Nekrik is the demon of thismovie, apparently Beth Nekrik.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I think that might be its name, Nekrik.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
So I guess I kind of want to start.
I believe I know where.
Well, I'm 100% certain.
I know where Alex and I standon this.
But, tj, do you believe let'sstart with do you believe in
ghosts?
I?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
believe that it could be possible.
You believe in ghosts.
I believe that it could bepossible.
I feel no.
So like.
What I think is like it's alittle different than ghosts,
but it's also like the same.
I think like little pieces ofyourself, when you're alive,
break off, like you know, piecesof your soul or something, and
like that's your, that's theghosts, you know, like I.
I think like it's not just dead, it's not dead people per se.

(04:44):
I think it's like you know,like stuck in a think, like it's
not just dead, it's not deadpeople per se.
I think it's like you know,like stuck in a time loop, kind
of thing, Like the spirit is.
When something traumatizinghappens, I feel like a piece of
you breaks off, and that's whathaunts you Interesting.
So this is the real life typeyou know like, and then we kind
of, just you know, do you evendemons?

(05:06):
Uh, I have been baptized.
Does not answer my question.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Didn't need to answer your question, just you know
it's, it's possible, it's, it'spossible I mean, I know people
who have been baptized, whodon't believe anything because
they're baptized as a baby well,I was baptized as a fully
sentient being, and you know thecommunal hot tub in

Speaker 2 (05:21):
the middle of church you're still not fucking fully
sentient.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Aren't you only like three-fifths sentient or
something like that?
Oh?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
You have three-fifths of a fucking normal forehead.
Oh my God, that was hardcoreright there, Sorry you might
have to cut that one, your youngSheldon-ass shirt over there,
alex why is it coming after you?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
what did you do?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
actually the death star is not from star trek, it's
from star wars I actually gotthat.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
That was funny.
I I had to look down at myshirt.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I was like oh shit yeah, you can't make fun of me.
I'm wearing my silly, nice, Imean relativity.
Uh, your hairline is foreverexpanding, forever expanding
backwards.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Until it collapses in on itself.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Judging by Newton's law, your size means you have
your own gravitational pull.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, I pull more bitches than you.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Sure you do.
Both of you are in verycommitted relationships and
cannot fool around, so well, Imean I can, I just would have
devastating results this is alovely my wife.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Well, it actually makes perfect sense when you
think about it.
We're talking about demonicactivity here maddie, he called
you a demon.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
What did, I do they're getting drunk fucking
playing.
What are you playing?
She's getting drunk playingfucking roblox.
That's.
That's who she is wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Are you following the constitution?
What's?

Speaker 1 (06:56):
yeah I got a drink, like judge requests oj doesn't
count judge requests evidencethe alcoholic arizona, arizona,
my guy.
Oh, ew really.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, okay, I believe you.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
TikTok, mine is apple juice.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
I mean, it's the funny sleepy Arizona, Mine is
almond juice.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Why are we not talking about that's a good one.
That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
So the conjuring, I think-.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
So what's your favorite?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
alcohol.
Speaking of demons, I've beenliving with my inner demons of
my alcoholism for years um.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Oh no, you know, uh, we're gonna go there this is
gonna turn into an aa meetingreal quick yeah, I don't prefer
holy water.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
I prefer, uh prefer that demon water myself, oh so
you almost had that one.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
You almost had that one.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I don't prefer holy water, I prefer spirits I
literally thought of that afterI said what I said you know,
anytime I think of holy water.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Now I think of the ending to the nun, where that
she kills the demon by, uh,keeping jesus's blood in her
mouth and then spitting it allover the demon when she comes
out of the water, which so joshjosh said something good they
introduced the nun in the secondConjuring movie.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Relationships are like hockey Just because the
other team has a goalie doesn'tmean I can't score.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, I read that.
Yeah, they did introduce thenun in the second Conjuring.
I think it was that demon andthen the nun was like how that
demon came about?

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Actually, if you want to go deep into it, in the
video that ed and lorrainewarren are reviewing, the old uh
farmer, that's the one thatgoes full circle when you finish
, the nun, that's the guy whogets possessed at the end at the
end of the nun yeah cool sothey tied.
They tied the whole universetogether so.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
So here's the thing this is based on real people,
this is based on a true story.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
The demon's name is Valak.
I was trying to think of it.
Yeah, the second one, that'sthe nun.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
This one was Bathsheba and it was a witch who
committed her soul to Satan andkilled herself and warning,
kind of gruesome stuff.
But it's an old movie.
I think we're all desensitizedas a society at this point.
All desensitized as a societyat this point, um, but where,

(09:10):
where do we stand on how true wethink this story is, because
obviously hollywood's gonnaexaggerate it.
But how much of it do you thinkreally?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
happened.
I think it's highly embellishedbecause uh miss uh warren
herself.
Uh was a lorraine warren, shewas like a consult for this
movie.
So I figure that you know shedidn't want too much of, you
know she didn't want it to seemlike it was ass.
Like you know, the family thereal family, because this is

(09:34):
based on a true story said thatthey were not helpful at all and
they kind of just made it worse.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, they ended up kicking them out of the house
because they couldn't doanything for them.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, there, there was never a uh exorcism.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
It was like it was like a big deal that that um Ed
and this part was, I think,consistent in this story in the
movie to what was said in reallife was Ed was insistent on
pulling Lorraine out of thathouse.
He didn't want her there.
Um, he also kept telling thePerron family that they had to
seek help through the faith thatthey couldn't do anything to

(10:11):
help them.
And so when you go back in time, you read what was happening
contextually yeah, they say thatthe Warrens were kicked out.
It sounds pretty violent inthat regard, but the tensions
were high.
Man, the family was scared, thedad was desperate, he was angry
that there was nothing theycould do.
They're telling him what heneeded to do, but there was

(10:33):
going to be no immediate results.
And that was just like look,this is not going to be
something that you're going toget rid of tomorrow.
You're in a bind and you needto seek real help.
You're in a bind and you needto seek real help and so that.
But there's a lot of cases inthe um, the upper Northeast,
that the Warrens consulted on,several that never.
Well, one of them, I think theyfinally made a movie out of it

(10:55):
I don't remember the name of it.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
They actually consulted on uh, the Amityville.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Amityville horror, yeah, but the one that was the
most devastating to me was abook.
I read it in high school for afree reading period.
I remember my teacher thoughtthat I was reading um, like
comic book level stuff, and thenshe saw what it was.
She was like are you okay?
I think she.
I think what she asked me wasare things okay at home?
I was reading the devil inConnecticut, which is one of the

(11:23):
stories that the Warrensconsulted on.
It was a story about a childnamed David Glatzel, nine years
old.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I think that's what the third Conjuring is based off
of.
That's what I was wondering.
I don't know if it's thatdefinitely made me do it.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I don't know if, yeah , yeah, yeah, arnie Johnson,
yeah, then I want to see thatone.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
I want to watch it when we end this at like one in
the morning.
Yeah, like um, should we justgo through all the conjurings,
dude?
We just pick out the I'm super,super down.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Um, really quick.
I want to take a second.
Uh, a guy in our chat said I'mnot child or cop, so in this
situation of the first Conjuringmovie, I think I'd be fine and
you know what I like that logic.
He'd be right.
That is the logic we often take.
Also, mellow Jello, thank youfor the.
I forget what that's called.

(12:16):
What is that?
What is that?
What is?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
that Donuts.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, the donuts in the heart me in my chat what he
said wow, josh, I reallyappreciate josh, he wants me to
crop the picture that I have onscreen so you can have it as a
screen saver.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Thank you, I think that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Look, I can make him walk around too, you can make
nekrik walk around, and nekrikreally is the demon of the show
this, sorry, sorry, go, take meon life.
Neckrick become Jamaican.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, he started speaking in Jamaican patois.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Jamaican me crazy man .

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay.
That just sounds like Hermesfrom Futurama.
Sorry podcast audience andlisteners, you'll just have to
tune in for the live to seestuff like that happening.
Nonsensical behavior,nonsensical behavior.
So this movie movie obviouslyhighly exaggerated.

(13:27):
I assumed the exorcism wasdefinitely not something that
really happened not, not that itwas recorded uh, do we believe
they were being haunted by ademon?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I do and they they made that point in the movie
that was fairly good was thedemon possessed the mother who
unalived her child and that wasthe reason why she did it.
And it's funny because tj'sexplanation of what he thinks,
uh, ghost haunting is this wouldhave fit the description pretty
well, because it was people whowere traumatized in their death

(13:59):
and that trauma carried that,that energy along.
Remember, the law of physics isclear on that Energy does not
get destroyed, energy transforms.
So to say that the human spiritor human soul or whatever you
want to call it, that keeps thehuman alive, that separates us
from any non-sentient.

(14:21):
What do they call it?
Sentient meat?
Anything that makes usdifferent, like that Soul,
spirit, karma, whatever you'd dothey call it sentient meat?
Uh, anything that makes usdifferent, like that soul,
spirit, um, karma, whateveryou'd want to call it.
That's what transforms at ourdeath and it becomes something
else.
It does not go away.
There's no way in the laws ofof nature, energy can't just go.
Now you could say it trend it.

(14:42):
It travels to dimension.
I don't know if I believe thatit's possible, because
interdimensional travel.
Yeah, interdimensional travel.
After the third dimension,interdimensional travel becomes
a possibility.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Randallizer, what is up?
We are recording a podcastepisode at the moment.
Thanks for subscribing MellowJello.
Thank you for subscribing to us.
What the heck?
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
But the way I think of like different planes of
existence is kind of like youknow, 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D, so like it
kind of folds in on itself andthen that creates another little
pocket.
So I think of it like kind oflike how Ant-Man has the quantum
realm type shit.
You shrink down small enough,you get to another place Like

(15:30):
Horton.
Here is a who type beat.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Man, I just can't wait till they make 4D printers,
you know 4D printers.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
You print a fucking universe.
Who are you, rick?
You print a ghost.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's like I made a whole universe to power, my car,
the scientist in there, youwouldn't understand.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's called a teenyverse.
They go in a little bit deeper.
I created this miniverse.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
That's literally the the whole fucking marvel
cinematic universe right thereit's, it's getting to that point
.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, yeah, getting well.
Yeah, you know, it wasn't allmultiversal shit, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh my god after end game it got too far?
Yeah, no, because I think so.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
It's multiverse but like hear me out though robert
downey jr's coming back as drdoom.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
I think that's kind of funny, no that that makes me
not want to watch it.
I'm not going to lie.
That makes me not want to watchit, I feel like, that'll have
an emotional impact though.
No, I think it has a way moreemotional impact if he's gone.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Well, yeah, he is gone.
Iron man is gone.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
No, but no, come on, nobody watched it for iron man.
We watched it for robert downeyjr, who was iron man, you know.
So that's like I don't know.
It's kind of like when, whenlogic was like this is my last
album, I'm retiring, I'm done.
And then a year later he waslike here's my new album and I'm

(16:47):
like all right man, like I, I'mglad, but true, but you gotta,
you gotta be into it in order toyou know, because like in the
Loki show you go through likelearning about variants and shit
like that, because like Loki'sdead but he's not, because there
are other versions of him youknow,
Because, like the one thathappened in, like Infinity War,

(17:10):
that Loki, our main Loki goneforever, the one who got beat up
by hulk and stark towers duringthe first avengers, gone.
But is he?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
I mean it could have happened in other, because it's
the, it's the, it's the sameloki, but it just kind of
branched.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
We're getting into shit that's not involving the
and and this is why it lost mebecause it sucks, when you could
just say well, anything canhappen, because it just happens
in a different universe.
It's based on fucking comicbooks bro.
Then nothing fucking happens.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Nobody ever stays dead in a comic book, unless
it's like Walking Dead.
And they don't even stay dead,they get up.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
You're speaking nothing but facts here.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Okay, back to the conjuring so I I think probably
the only things that we can gointo survival about are some of
the basics in.
In a situation where you'rebeing scared, you're getting
afraid, of course, the theobvious answer is you need to
stay grounded.
You need to stay calm the bestway you can.

(18:14):
Uh, they did the smart thingthe family all huddled together
downstairs and slept in theliving room.
That's a good temporarysolution.
I don't.
I don't think that's going towork forever.
Of course, everybody needs timealone and this thing's going to
just pick on you when you're byyourself, at least for comfort
you need to stay grounded to theearth.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Smoke on the peace pipe.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Actually, it's funny that that you say grounded to
the earth, because I on thepeace pipe.
Actually, it's funny that yousay grounded to the earth.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
What about the peace pipe?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
That's actually not the peace pipe part.
I actually think smoking thepeace pipe can actually open you
up to some activity, if youwill.
Many think that one of thethings the family did not do,
that I don't know how, howdifferent people across
different faiths will interpretthis, but setting boundaries,

(18:58):
asserting dominance, assertingauthority, claiming your
authority over the location.
Many different religions allsay the same thing in that
regard that if you're beinghaunted by a demonic presence,
that's a must.
You must proclaim authorityover it.
And what is your source, whatis your authority?

Speaker 1 (19:16):
And so if we talk about, like, bringing the Bible
into it, which is in this casewhat you'd be doing, essentially
, you're given the power fromJesus, from God, to handle these
types of things, so bolsteringwhat you were saying.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, if you bring the Bible into it.
Jesus said I've given you thepower to heal the sick, raise
the dead and cast out demons.
So the problem is that's thedifficulty of faith.
You have to completely trust,right?
We've heard teachers say hangyour body on that belief and be
willing to die for it.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
So it's an interesting thing, because
that's one of those things wherenow we're getting into a kind
of religious thing where insomebody's faith walk it's easy
to it's easy to get to the pointwhere you feel that but you're
not 100 there, right whereyou're, like I, I believe in god
, right, I, I understand that,all the fundamentals of being a

(20:10):
christian, I'm there.
But in the face of an actualdemon that is haunting you, are
you able to stand firm and saymy God gives me authority over
you?
Because to stand face to face toa demon and say that I don't
think people, I think peoplefantasize it in their mind,
because even I was at moments inthis movie where I'm like I'm

(20:33):
watching a Hollywood film andI'm jumping and startled and
spooked and realizing that likean actual demon in your presence
is going to bring so much rawfear and to be able to combat
that, it just really adds thatperspective that I'm scared of a
movie, yet alone an actual evilentity that wants me to fall.

(20:57):
So it's a little bit easier tofantasize and say like, yeah, I
could definitely do that, Icould just stand up to it.
But to actually do that, Ithink, is a lot different.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
The scarier thing about it is many different
literary sources.
There's an author by the nameof Jonathan Kahn.
There's old-timey people likeCS Lewis.
They all write the same kind ofinterpretation that demons
don't do this often.
This isn't a common thing, it'shappened all throughout history

(21:27):
.
And there's also some reallyawesome—I hate to use that word
awesome, but it's fantastic andvery intriguing literature on
where these spirits who quoteunquote, possess people, come
from.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Well, I would say awesome, and more like the
literal meaning of the word itis wild to read these things and
see that the history of demonicpossession in one.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
This is just one of many different interpretations
of what a demon.
They're calling it a demon is,um.
One of my favorites that goesall the way back if you've ever
read the uh, the epic ofgilgamesh.
Um, it is said to be, uh, thehero is said to be somebody who
survived the flood that wouldhave taken place in Noah's day.

(22:14):
But what this?
It doesn't have too much to dowith that story, other than the,
if you remember the Nephilimthat were around at that time.
They were half man, half demon.
That was said because thewatchers of men saw the
daughters of men and decidedthat it would be good to mate

(22:34):
with them.
And these monsters came out andthey were half human, half
demon.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Now do we think that was witches?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Not necessarily what I think that was.
Because they came out.
They said they were giants andthey had an insatiable appetite,
to the point where they wereclearing the earth of food and
they started eating man.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
I think that's just then, then it was said.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
That's why the floods didn't really take them out.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
They're still around then it was said that that gun
wiped out the earth and thenephilim uh, they, when they
died, their spirits, unlikedemons, who are not in this
plane, they watch it but they'renot here.
The Nephilim are here.
They are disembodied spiritsthat roam the earth.
So if you think of ghosts,that's one tale that can answer

(23:23):
that for you.
There's many different versionsof the same story in all
different religions.
Probably some of the morefascinating ones are of the
Eastern.
I wouldn't call them religion,but Eastern superstitions.
The Japanese, the Chinese,they're not religious people.
The atheism atheism isastounding in Japan, but yet
they're very superstitious.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
See, I find it interesting that in there's
certain things like let's takedragons, for instance where
obviously dragons don't exist.
Dragons never existed.
We've never found any evidenceof dragons existing, except for
the fact that severalcivilizations across the globe,
on many different continents,all depict something of a dragon

(24:08):
.
China does, uh, the incans did,um, pretty much everybody, the
europe, everybody, has somedepiction of a dragon.
Where the fuck did that comefrom?
And this was before.
Everybody knew everybody.
This was before satellites orglobal trade or anything like
that.
Or global talk in any way.
This was before Europe evenknew the Americas existed, and

(24:29):
they were depicting dragons inboth continents, so it just
makes you wonder.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Well, I see where you're going with that, because
this is the same kind of a story, the story of demons, the story
of angels.
It's everywhere.
Every religion, every culturehas one.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
So it makes you.
To me, that kind of bolsters,the argument that this is real
If every culture with nocommunication amongst each other
has some depiction of thesebeings.
To me that feels like that mustbe real and to some degree the
way I see it is, beforeeverybody knew everybody.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Nobody knew what other people were calling said
thing.
You know and think about allthe different depictions of like
dragons and shit.
None of them are like exactlythe same.
They're all like slightlydifferent.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
No, but it makes you wonder, right.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
It does kind of, you know, like they're all very
similar, but they, they, they dohave very distinct, like
differences.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
So I'm thinking you know just like.
But it's a, it's a flyingreptile.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
You know, once we did all unify, we kind of just like
collected all of it into theblanket term of like this is
basically what it is same withlike demons, like everybody,
like.
If there's gonna be some sortof like religion, you know you
be bad.
Bad thing, scary thing, what isit?

Speaker 2 (25:48):
if I'm.
If I may, you know, I would.
I would say one of the simplestones.
For me, this still falls underthe Abrahamic accords.
The Abrahamic religions isIslam.
In Islam, one of their demonsis a jinn.
They call it a jinn, and that'swhat it's very commonly known
as, and you read it though.

(26:09):
You read what they say, andit's really just a demon.
We call it something different.
Now, everybody, unanimously Ithink it's unanimous in every
religion across the globe theidentity of the thing is
paramount to overcoming it.
You have to identify it inorder to gain authority over it.
You speak the name.

(26:31):
Which goes to what the Biblesays, that names have meaning
name and which goes to what thebible says, that names have
meaning, all religions, allreligions.
Names have meaning, and andnames have words, have power.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah, you see that in the movie where, uh, at the end
, when he speaks the demon'sname, it kind of just locks her
there.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
You know like what the well, because she realized
oh shit, yeah, I'm cooked likethat.
The same thing happened in thesecond conjuring, where she says
valak, and the demon was likefuck, you weren't supposed to
know that.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
And that's their whole thing is staying hidden.
That was what I was getting at.
Cs Lewis, in Screwtape Letters,talks about that very thing
staying hidden.
The attitude amongst the seniordemon to the lesser demon is
you fool?
We've never had it so good.
Why are you trying to bring usout into the light?
Then you have this book byJonathan Cahn, who he says

(27:21):
virtually the same thing in adifferent way Return of the Gods
.
He says that the demons nolonger proclaim themselves to be
gods because in this modernsociety it's pointless.
Nobody wants to worship a god.
There's no worship of God, sowhat they do instead is they
call themselves god makers.
I can make you a god andbecause we are very

(27:42):
self-centered in this societyand we want to see ourselves, we
want to elevate ourselves and Iwant to be like the true God.
And if I call myself, you knowthe demon speaking, if I call
myself a God maker and I showyou the ways of becoming top,
top of your game.
And just look at how true it iswhen you see the tick tock and
Instagram and everybody gettingcelebrity status for very little

(28:04):
really, and it's it's veryinteresting to see that I
personally, I do believe I am aChristian and I do believe in
the Christian faith, but I don't.
I also don't believe thatthat's necessary to push on to
anybody else.
And in this movie I think yousaid it very well, both of you
said it very well it's verysensationalized, it's very

(28:25):
hollywoodized.
It's fun.
I I enjoy these movies.
I've always been a horror freak.
I enjoy it very much.
Um, I thought it was well done.
I thought it was.
You know, there's some sillyparts where she's like vomiting
blood and stuff like that, butit was.
They didn't overdo it, believeit or not.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
No, they didn't.
It's very tasteful consideringthe future Conjuring movies.
They get reckless.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
It's like this film was more built on like ambiance
and maybe there's somethingthere.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
I will admit there's a lot of mysterious air yeeting
going on Like they just getyoinked you know, like pulled
randomly that's a very you knowHollywood ass thing, like
paranormal activity thing, butyou know.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I liked it.
And I liked it even morebecause when I watched it
originally I had no idea howthey did it.
I thought it looked great andthen I saw how they did it
behind the scenes.
They show how they pulled thegirl and did everything, and it
was really quite clever how theydid it.
They used two different girlsand the original girl gets

(29:30):
pulled off screen.
The cameraman runs into theroom and it's the second girl
being pulled diagonally acrossthe room.
That way it was.
It was very clever, verycleverly done.
It wasn't cgi, you know, it wasa real person.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
No, it was james want james oh really paranormal
activity.
Guys, guys, a fucking legendman dude, I mean I was thinking
about it with the, thecinematography.
That what made me think aboutthe director.
It was the first, the firstpart of the movie where I
thought like that's not true.
Uh, but it was the first partof the movie where I thought
like that's not true.
But it was a part of the moviewhere I really paid attention to
the camera angle and the idea,which was the top down camera

(30:05):
where Lorraine goes to grab herbible from.
When she runs out the house andit goes.
It's upside down, and then itpans up and watches her leave
out and then it does the samewhen she runs back and I
remember, I remember thinkingabout that and I was like, oh,
that that's a.
I'm sure what that was was.
Somebody was like, let's trythis.
And james was like that looksfucking cool, we're gonna do it

(30:26):
when she walks out and he's like, fuck it, we're gonna do when
she walks in too, like becauseit's a cool angle.
And then I also thought aboutit when, uh, when it was showing
that the camera man's point ofview view, when Brad was holding
the camera down in the basement.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Very suffocating feeling.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Because, you couldn't see shit.
It's like an outlast.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Other than what was lit up.
And then also you couldn't hearanything other than what was in
front of his microphone.
So when he moved the microphoneaway and he's like hey, you
good, you could barely hear him.
So, you're just kind ofdeafened and, like you know,
which adds to the time.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
That that really solidifies, like the time frame
when this is supposed to takeplace.
I enjoyed that that.
They really they.
This was made in 2013, but theythey were accurate to the time
period, at least as much as Iknow.
I don't know they could havebeen inaccurate about some stuff
.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
So there's a couple of things regarding, I would say
, regarding psychological trauma, psychological survival In a
situation like this.
It can be brought on by manydifferent things.
If you're engaging in therecreational medicines, the kind
that allow you to hallucinate,be wary.

(31:37):
You can start tapping into thatdimension.
I do believe so.
But even if it's not, even ifit's uh I think the proper term
is uh metaphysical, it's not,it's not supernatural, but
you're seeing things.
You're seeing things in thereal world that exist in the
real world, that are not, uh,what you think they are.

(31:58):
They're not, they're notspirits, they're not, uh, a
demon.
It's not talking to you, butyour brain, and what your brain
witnesses is real to you.
You know what, what is?
It's like the matrix, right?
What is real if your brain sees, it, smells, it, feels, it,
tastes it it?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
it real.
It's like telling aschizophrenic person it's not
real, but they're like I'mseeing and hearing it's just in
your head.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Well, what, what, why is that any less real?
Right, that was?
Uh, wasn't that harry potter?
Is this all in my?
Head, of course it's in yourhead.
Why does that mean it's notreal?
You know, it's so wild it's so.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
It's one of those existential things where, if you
really think about it, you arequite literally a piece of
muscle in a skull, in basicallyan armor.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
You're a piece of meat.
You're a meat sat.
You're a piece of meatcontrolling a meat mech suit.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, it's a meat mech suit there's a funny story
On a rock that's floatingthrough the cosmos.
That's only alive because it'scircling this burning star.
There's a funny story aboutthat, about, and you're
barreling through space.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
They say aliens trying to describe humans, and
they basically come out to, uh,sentient meat, thinking meat.
That's pretty much what we are.
That's exactly what we are aflesh mech.
So it's interesting, you guyscome up to the same same exact
statement um.
So of course we said alreadystrengthen numbers.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Um, if you can avoid provoking the thing, maybe avoid
provoking it so here's my thingI, I, I do agree, but this is
where I have, like that, I, Ipray to god that I'm, if I ever
am forced into a situation likethis, that I am prepared for it
or able to to handle it but thisis one of those situations
where multiple times overimmediately.

(33:44):
I don't think you multiple timesthroughout the movie I'm
thinking like it's the initialfear and then the, the thought
of like don't, don't fuckinggive into it, just fucking stand
up to it, and I don't know howmuch of it is foolish and how
much of it is is actually well,uh see, that's where.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
That's where it's important, okay.
So apologies to anybody whopractices a different faith.
I'm not trying to push myreligion or my faith onto you,
but well, this movie regardsthis holism or christianity.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, it's, it's the Christian faith.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
And the necessity is understanding the Word of God
and, as we know, the words, thepromises of God, all of those
promises are meant for thesebattles.
So if a demon comes at you,number one, the first thing,
what you're saying can be summedup in God will never give me
more than I can handle withoutproviding me a way of escape.

(34:38):
He's given me tough shoes forthe trip and he's provided me
the strength for the day.
If the demon is going to accuse, that's what they are.
They're accusers of thebrethren.
That's what the devil is.
He's an accuser.
He's going to accuse you of allof your faults.
You need to remember Zechariah,where he stood.
The high priest stood in frontJoshua.
The high priest stood in frontof God and the devil accused him
saying look at his clothes,they're dirty.

(34:59):
And God basically said shut up,strip him, put clean robes on
him.
Now he's clean.
So that goes into the NewTestament of Peter, when all the
manner of creepy crawly thingsdrop before him and Jesus said
eat.
And he said I've never letanything unclean touch my lips.
He said don't call unclean thatwhich the Lord has cleaned.
So that all is a circularreference to say when you're
being accused.

(35:19):
The answer is don't callunclean that which the Lord has
cleaned.

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Speaker 2 (35:31):
I don't think they provide that.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
That is a very Christian core belief.
I thought it was.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Catholic, it is Catholic.
What flavor Jesus lever is thisChristian core belief.
I thought it was Catholic, itis Catholic.
What flavor Jesus lever is thisCatholic and Christianity.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Really the difference is traditions or not.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Catholics keep Jesus on the cross.
They keep him in the manger andon the cross.
Christianity or Protestantismdoes not.
He is risen.
There's a lot of differentflavors.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
But that's kind of a core belief of Christianity,
which is, I think, one of thehurdles you go through, which is
and I think it's a constanthurdle that you go through where
one of the devil's favoritetricks is to make you feel like,
well, you couldn't possibly beforgiven for that.
And even when you know that youare, he still throws it in your

(36:14):
face constantly and it takes alot to just just be like no it
so, for example, this isbecoming like a whole religious
episode.
But whatever.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
That's why I'm trying to break it up with random
jamaican no, it's too bad.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Learn.
Learn some religion.
I don't want to learn anyreligion.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I have there was there was.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
You were baptized, shut up.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
There was a dark period for me where shut the
fuck up or you're going to losesome points.
Here I'm getting deep.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
I'm getting deep as crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
There was a dark point in my life a couple years
back where I would find myselfon the patio smoking the devil's
lettuce and I would find myselfgetting into these really low
points where I would start likeslouching and like sinking into
my chair and I would just getreal in my head over stupid shit
.
And it took me about like twomonths to realize what was

(37:08):
happening and it, for me, whathas helped is becoming
ridiculously logical about it,um, which essentially happens.
Where I I'm, I'll be sitting onthe patio, I'll be smoking, I
had a great day and all of asudden I start getting real sad
and all in my head and what forwhat has helped me recently has
just becoming overly logical andthinking like what, what are

(37:30):
you sad about?
Name one thing you're sad aboutand I can't come up with an
answer.
I'm like then I'm being fuckingstupid.
It's such that's so dumb to befeeling that and for me.
But I'm glad you brought thatup.
That over-logicalness just makesit all go away and it's like
that's that's so.
That's not even me, that thatfeels like some presence trying
to put something upon me andthat's not how I'm even feeling

(37:52):
today.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I had a great fucking day.
Why am I?
Why would I be all sad?
I'm glad you brought that up,because what I will say is, when
you're engaging inextracurricular behavior, be
aware that's most likely thetime that you can be affected.
Now.
It could also not be anythingother than the physical effects
of the substance Exactly See.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
The only reason I know it's not is all the other
times that I haven't, haven'tfelt that Right, and so this was
just weird period of my lifewhere that started, that just
started to happen a lot, and itjust took me analyzing it to
realize that I was undersomething, something was was
constantly coming at me duringthose moments but I will say
something they did not fallvictim to in this movie

(38:35):
virtually at all was beingtrapped on an island.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
There was no moments of like I'm isolated.
They didn't fight each other asa family and argue over what
was going on.
The dad didn't do the thestereotypical thing and fight
with his family because, oh, Ijust put up all of this money,
we're gonna make this work.
You know which?
All of those things seem tomake sense in the context of
those other movies likeAmityville, horror.

(38:58):
Right, they bought that home,they're in it, you bought it.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well, that's kind of what he said.
What do you do?
He kind of said the same thingwhere Ed asked him why don't you
sell the place?
Or like, well, have you thoughtabout just moving?
And he's like all my money istied up in this place.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I bought it from the bank.
We put renovations into it now.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
We can't leave.
It is very horror movie, babe.
I know we're getting haunted,but this house is so god damn
cheap.
Where are we going to find thisagain?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
this is another situation where I'm like a
little communication amongst thefamily I think would have come
to this conclusion a lot sooner,which the movie kind of
expedites it.
But there was a lot of momentswhere someone's like, oh, I
don't know, I must have justseen that.
Or oh, I'm something must havejust I don't know grabbed my
foot.
I I don't know what it was, itmust have been nothing.
Those kinds of thought processabsolutely kill me.

(39:47):
I mean, this is like we watcheda movie recently where a wife
told a husband something and hedidn't believe her.
And I'm like, if my wife cameto me and was like I'm being
haunted, we're gone bye, I'm 100believing you.
Was it the haunting on hillhouse?
What did?
No, there was.
We might not have even coveredit on this, oh, but.
But there was a movie wherebasically the wife was like

(40:07):
something's happening and thehusband was like, no, no, it's
probably just this or that.
No, if my wife is that certainthat she's being haunted, I'm
not gonna risk it I'll tell youthat that's something that we
talked about should talk to eachother you know?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
no, exactly, they got the shit done.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
They talk to each other here they just don't, they
just like oh, I seen somethingfreaky let me not mention this
for like half of the movie, andthen all of a sudden, yeah, like
the haunting of hill house well, I, I will tell you this.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
this is kind of funny .
Corinne's gonna get this.
Uh, she's going to hear thislater.
Is the other house, the houseright, the house we stayed at?
It was not until we moved outthat she was like oh, there were
times that freaky stuffhappened there.
I was like when?
And she told me.
I was like, oh, my God, I wishshe would have fucking told me
that.
She was like well, I mean, itdidn't bother me care do you

(40:53):
remember what I told you aboutthat house?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
not particularly when we were at jackson not
particularly so it was afterwe'd viewed the house, yeah,
where we went there and wewalked around and this was the
first time that I saw the houseand I'm not gonna lie, I was a
little salty because my room wasa little bit like a dungeon it
was no windows not even a soliddoor.
There was solid doors, but itwas like a.

(41:16):
It was like a hallway with twosolid doors on either side of
that and then my door was likeone of those slotted doors.
So I wasn't particularly fondabout that situation, but that,
honestly, was not the problemfor me.
After we viewed that house thatnight, I had really bad
nightmares.
Oh wow, really really bad.
I told you about this.

(41:37):
I remember we walked out on thestreet at Jackson I think you
were having a smoke and I toldyou.
I was like I want to be honest,that place gave me a weird vibe
.
I didn't like it and it gave menightmares that night that I
don't.
I don't have nightmares, sothat it was very vivid for me.
Nothing particularly oddhappened at the house for me,
there was no like hauntingmoments or anything like that,

(41:59):
and I never felt particularlyscared.
But I do remember, afterviewing that place, it gave me a
bad vibe and you know what Ithink it is.
It's exactly what grandma saidwe drove whatever that was out,
because I don't think we reallyexperienced anything while we
were there.
But was it you who, when weleft, you said like this place?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
feels weird now, when we left, but I'll tell you the
truth too, jackson, when it wasempty and you and I went that
very last time, I can't explainit, but I could not get out of
there fast enough.
I did not like the feeling ofthe empty apartment.
It was like, yeah, there was alot to do with it.
I was a little like, it was alittle nostalgic.
My baby, baby girl, was bornthere.
That was, that was the firstplace, that when we were all

(42:41):
together for the first time, um,I was so there's like a lot of
nostalgia that I thought, youknow, and I'm I'm not, I'm not
going to deny I'll run away fromemotions just as fast as I
would run away from scary shit.
So it's, it's realistic, but Ireally did feel uncomfortable in
that apartment when we walkedout of it that very last time.
Right, I was like that was thelast load of stuff.

(43:04):
Everything was in my car and wehauled it off to bonita.
But I will say too, I felt theexact same thing.
The very last load picking upit was, it was stuff that was in
the uh, the guard, the shed.
I went out, I picked up thestuff in the shed, I carried it
up and then I went through thehouse and looked for anything

(43:24):
that we had left behind and Idid not like the feeling I had
walking through that empty houseand I thought maybe it's just
because it's empty.
But you know, once again, theconjuring right um one thing
that the bible says is uh, whenyou empty the house, what was
there before?
Seven worst will come.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
So what I'm hearing is ghosts and demons.
They really don't fuck withMexicans.
As soon as you moved in thereeverything was fine and then you
moved out.
They're like oh time to go backin.
It's the food, it's the.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Don't do it, don't do it, don't.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
I Don't do it Don't.
I was going to say I don't knowwhat they would be scared of.
It's not like we're going tofucking rob them or anything.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
America's about to be real haunted soon.
If anything, we're just goingto give them bad drugs or
something.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Oh my.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
God, that was nuts.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
You just went crazy.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Haunted in his bed bed.
No, that was insane.
Give me a weird vibe too, likeit's like a heaviness of like,
like the silence is heavy and itfeels like, but you just, I
like, but you have to admit youknow your empty place.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
If you're moving out after you've lived there, it's
different.
No, is that just me?

Speaker 3 (44:39):
like I, I get it different.
Well, I think you're rightabout walking into an empty home
.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
You're walking into an empty house, touring it right
, and it's like, oh, there's nolife in here, is whatever.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
But when you're leaving your house for the last
time, it's like there'ssomething different so I don't
know, maybe, maybe I'll feeldifferent about this place,
because I think this is thefirst place that I've.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
I don't know, first place you've had a window well I
mean, yeah, um, shouldn't havegave them that, but less less so
that more so.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Like this is the first place where I feel like
I'm a sentient adult, like I'vebeen a sentient human, but I
this is the first place where Inow feel like I, I have a
projection for my life and I, Ifeel like a competent adult, I
have a steady job, stuff likethat that makes you feel like
you have some worth.
Um, so I think maybe it'll feeldifferent with this place, but

(45:31):
I don't have that that feelingwhere, like I love touring empty
homes, like I would I would ifI had a free, if I was just off
one day for work for no reason Iwould highly consider just
going around to open houses andjust looking at the places
because I think it's cool, um,to kind of like imagine what
could be in this place.
But the leaving thing I alsodon't really get like, like, I
said maybe it'd be different forthis place.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
But so this goes back to, like, my thoughts on, like,
what ghosts are, you know,pieces break off, you end up
haunting yourself.
So what if, when you're like,when you find a place you want
to call home, right, you knowit's yours, it's your area, you
know what, you know what if yourinner self, soul, whatever you
want to fucking call it, kind oflike emanates like you know,
around that pushes everythingout and that's why I think

(46:19):
that's you've had such a weirdfeeling leaving because all of
that energy is gone.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I think that's kind of what we were saying where
when we lived there, it didn'tseem like anything was happening
.
But the second we left, which issomething that I had experience
with the difference between mygrandparents' house and going
back to my mom's house when Iwould be going back and forth as
a kid, I would always say Ijust said it was love.

(46:47):
At my grandparents' house therewas this constant love and
accepting in the air and it wasnot the same when I would go
back to Texas and for a while itmade me think that I hated
Texas and then I realized Iactually love Texas.
It wasn't, it wasn't Texas,texas had nothing to do with it,
but the it was the house.

(47:09):
It was Texas, it was the house.
But it wasn't necessarily that.
It wasn't necessarily the house, it was Texas, it was the.
It was what was inside thehouse that that made the
difference.
It was what was inside thehouse that made the difference.
My grandparents' house wasalways very warm and lively.
It always had pastor on the TVStuff like that.
I would rarely ever feel scaredin that house.

(47:32):
The only time I'd ever feelscared was the downstairs
bathroom, which used to have bigdaddy long legs and that was
too much for me.
But other that, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I do think the people who occupy the house make a
difference in what the housefeels like, and I will tell you
I'm glad that you never had abad experience in that house,
that that tells me a lot,because I know you guys, as kids
, have some crazy stories aboutthat house fuck, that house was
terrifying.
It was all kinds of shit and andthen, moving around, uh, I went

(48:02):
and stayed with my aunt and oneof the craziest things was you,
I don't know you.
You remember the moviebeetlejuice, right, yeah, when
it came out they had these dolls, these beetlejuice dolls.
It was a pull string and whenyou would pull the string the
head would spin and he would saysandworms at the end of it.
And we had this fucking doll ina toy chest.

(48:24):
My cousin, this was my cousin'sdoll and this motherfucker
would go off in the chest all byhimself, that's so creepy it
was so fucking scary.
And so my aunt ended up, uh,helping us out because we were
fucking running out of hisbedroom and sleeping in her bed.
So she got rid of the doll, shegave it to my cousin much older

(48:45):
cousin, right, he was agrown-ass adult by the time.
Well, we were little kids and,uh, she gave it to him.
He was like, oh yeah, I lovethis thing, this thing's cool.
And he got rid of it.
I was like oh yeah, I love thisthing, this thing's cool.
And he got rid of it.
I was like.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
So there was something fucking wrong with
that fucker.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
I couldn't tell you if I was dreaming or awake, but
I swear I saw that little fuckerwalking around on his own and
it was scary man.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I think we're kind of over time.
So for TJ's sake, what I thinkI want to leave this episode off
on was there was a story that Iread about a guy and he said
his roommate she was reading theExorcist, oh yeah, and she said
she couldn't finish it.
She got about halfway through.
It was too much for her and shequite literally threw it in the
river when she was walking bybecause she was like this book

(49:32):
is too evil, I can't finish it.
And so he had a diabolical ideaand he went and bought a copy
of the Exorcist what a dick, ranit under the kitchen sink for a
few seconds.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
What a dick.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
And then put it on her nightstand for her to find
when she woke up.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
No.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
That's mean he said the scream that's diabolical,
but oh my God, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
I would have kept it going.
I would, she like burns it, wow, throws in the trash you
freaking.
Have another copy.
Yeah, but that's what that'swhat look.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
That's when you end up getting burned down with the
house because she just loses hermind and goes fucking crazy.
No see what you so the prankisn't worth it.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
That's how you get a woman right.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
So before you even move in with it you gotta
convince her that her place isfucking haunted.
No see what you said.
The prank isn't worth it.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
That's how you get a woman right.
So before you even move in withher, you got to convince her
that her place is fuckinghaunted as shit right, just so
you know, so she has to move inwith you, you know if you sense
she's having doubts.
You know if you're not alreadyabout to move in, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Baby, this isn't my fault, this is your fault.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
You got to convince her that she's haunted right and
then, as soon as you show uphaunting, stop.
And if y'all ever take a littlebreak or whatever, break up
whatever, haunting back on.
Anytime you get into a fight,you're like I'll just leave you
here with your demons and boom,she'll associate safety with you
Instant win.
Instant win.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
I'm learning so much about dog training.
That sounds exactly like that.
Oh my God, eric.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I didn't send it to you, but it was this video of
this girl and she's like I'mnever going out with a dog
trainer again, and then he'slike go on, sit, and then she
sits down at the table Good girl.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
And she's like nope, nope, not happening yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
He had the clicker and everything I think I think
my cousin said that to me andshe was like is this you?
Oh, my god, that's so funny.
I was gonna send it to youthat's hilarious it was really
good, dude.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
The guy looked like, uh, like, uh, michael reeves.
Yeah, who's that?
Uh, he's a youtuber, but it waslike it was the same like
personality and everything too.
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
It was very, very good so as uh, everybody can
tell that it's not scarywatching, uh, we're going over
these movies with us.
Any scary movie that you're notcomfortable with, just come
hang out with us while we talkabout it boo that's about as bad
as it gets, I made one personcrash their car.
But I do have somerecommendations of literature if

(52:03):
you guys like to read and youwant to be scared.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
The Bible no.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I mean, there's some scary shit in the Bible.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
There is some fucking horrifying shit.
There's some terrifying shit inthere you ever seen a real
angel-like depiction Like theydrew it out.
Be not afraid.
What the fuck do you mean?
Be not afraid why?

Speaker 1 (52:21):
do you think that's the first thing he said they
already know.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Hey, don't be scared.
No, why do you have three?

Speaker 3 (52:29):
different faces, one of them being a lion.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
He fell down on his face as if dead.
Don't be afraid.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Why do you have 75 wings?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
What the angels should have done was been like
don't turn around, don't turnaround, don't turn Wait wait,
this is going to be a lot.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Okay, I'm going to make it bad right now.
You feel like don't turn around, don't look at me, don't make
it ugly.
Yeah, you just hear metal ringsshifting together and little
from the eyeballs.
Dude you that, that's fromezekiel.
That's the scariest one, Ithink.
Be not afraid, so uh.

(53:06):
Well, what do we have?
What do we have here?
Uh?

Speaker 1 (53:08):
well do.
Do you think you could handlethis situation?

Speaker 3 (53:13):
no, I don't know, I would leave my wife.
So he's, he's the negativeabsolutely yes, I would survive
soon, I would survive because Iwould be on a flight to honolulu
, hawaii.
I would, yeah, no, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna straight up like liloand stitch this shit.
I'm gonna go make a friend witha fish feed him a sandwich

(53:33):
every day.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Gonna be on a flight, simple, he's gonna go down oh
damn, 307 am.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
He's gonna wonder why he has nobody else on the
flight.
And they're like sir, uh,there's nobody else on this
flight.
Would you like us to upgradeyou to first class?
He's like oh, look at thistreatment boom down in the ocean
.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
You know what actually happened.
It would look like a fullflight, and then he'd wake up
from a nap at 3.07, and it'd becompletely empty Nobody in it.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
You know what would be crazy Is if Blackpool
actually got possessed, neverseen it.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
The blackening bro.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
They always die before the blackening bro.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
The blackening was fake.
Got possessed.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
There was no possession in the blackening no
oh.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
That's crazy.
Wait a minute, that's just true.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
All the ghosts scatter because they're afraid
of your people.
I'm trying to remember.
You know what I'm going to have?
To go back and watch.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I'm going to have to go.
Okay, josh, that's funny, it'sactually the African-American.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Damn, he got my own joke against me.
Oh shit, that's a good one.
That was good that was theafrican-americaning to you.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
That's a good one, josh so wait, we have to be in
contrast.
So right, one of us has to bein the negative yeah, so he
doesn't think he would survive.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
You think you would absolutely survive?
Yeah, um, I kind of agreeactually no, you what?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
I'd be the one who would die.
Why how?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
would you die Because ?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I would stand toe to toe.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
See, okay, so that's the thing where, like, part of
me is like I've never been inthis situation, so I can't
really know.
So part of me is like I thinkmy initial reaction would be
complete fear and beingterrified.
But I think I'm so stubborn ofa person that I think I would,
after the initial fear, be likeno, how dare you make me feel

(55:33):
that way?
And like get all puffed up andlike square up, but I don't know
how wise it is to square up toa demon.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
The one thing that I know.
I know the toughest challengeof my life that required the
most faith is my favorite pointin my life, and I know why
because that was the moment thatI was walking with God, but the
toughest period of my life.
I remember, turning to myfriend, he asked me how are you
doing?
I said do you know what it'slike when you ever see a kid at
a restaurant and his parents aretrying to take that little tiny

(56:04):
plate with like a couple ofappetizers away and they want to
give him his meal and he's likescreaming and crying about it.
It's like, dude, you're goingto get something so much better
right now.
He's like, oh yeah.
I said, look, I know, I knowfor a fact.
I'm going to come out of thison top.
I'm saying this for the record.
Everybody sees, everybody'sgoing to know in the end days
when we're standing before thethrone, everyone's going to see

(56:25):
this.
So I'm just admitting it nowDoesn't mean I'm not going to
cry like a little bitch theentire way through.
And that's my honest opinion ofsomething like this.
I may be standing there afraidAll of the feelings that you
should feel in those instances,but I really do think that I
would stand square toe to toe.

(56:46):
My big difference is I do nothunt these things out.
I like this movie because theyweren't hunting the shit out.
I'm never going to be an EdWarren.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
I'm not someone who was looking for this kind of
shit, like in real life.
They would go hunting for it,they would drive around and wait
till she got a feeling aboutany particular area right then
he would draw a picture of thehouse, you know.
So that'd give him a reason tolike go up to the house, knock
on the door.
Hey, I drew a picture of yourhouse, do you like it?

(57:17):
Oh, we can come in crazy.
And then they would like throwcrazy.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
That's like that's what they used to do what they
said.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
It's like dog crazy.
No one's ever done that before.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
And then he's just collecting fucking mythical
artifacts of fucking ghosts pastlike stop doggy I hate that
shit I understand all in yourhouse too.
I I understand his logicstorage unit I understand his
logic.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, I get it.
I get.
I think that's even better.
I don't think storage unitswere that common back then, but
I still get your logic, I getyour point in the backyard or
something do something yourdaughter almost got a chair
yeeted through her forehead I, Imean right, put major locks on
every door when, when him andthat when him and that reporter
were in that basement, in thatroom, there should be deadbolts

(58:08):
on that door that they put onthere so nobody else can walk in
accidentally.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Well, there was like two.
There was like two deadboltsand a lock on the knob.
There wasn't an assault line.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
There wasn't a freaking cross next to the door.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
All of that shit.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
There was nothing.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Nothing.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
They weren't even trying.
Oh yeah, this will keep thedemons in A human-made lock.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
And once a month a priest comes and blesses the
room Like it isn't commonknowledge?

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Ghosts can walk through walls.
You think that a lock, a masterlock from fucking Home Depot?
You think that's going to?

Speaker 1 (58:43):
keep them in there.
That lock from fucking homedepot.
You think that's gonna keepthem in there?
That's what cracks me up, thatthat's like a common ghost thing
is that they're opening doorslike why?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
why don't have to?
Why?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
would they which?
But I guess maybe that might goto tj's point where it's more
like a, a fractured piece ofyour soul it's more for you
where it's like the, the ghostis opening a door because but
it's always done when it getsthere well

Speaker 3 (59:04):
that's a good point that's a good my theory on how
ghosts walk through walls isthat they're not like
intentionally walking throughthe walls.
They're on another plane,everything's like different?
Yeah, they're opening doors intheir reality that they're in in
their reality, yeah, like inours.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Yeah, and it's where, it's where it blends together
when she's like yeah, that's so.
So check this out.
What if you guys have everstudied the different dimensions
?
Uh, we're in the thirddimension, right length, width
height.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Uh, length, width height you're especially in the
width dimension, wow actually Ithink that's you brother.
Nah bro, I got the length.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Well then you got length and width.
Six foot three baby Fish youwide on all sides.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
My guy size 14 feet.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
I'm very tall horizontally.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
If I lay on my side I can get on the roller coaster.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Oh, that was good.
That was good right there.
I enjoyed that one.
But if you guys study thedimensions, you go into the
fourth dimension.
You could see through walls.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
You can see through the roof looking down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
You're bound by time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
You're outside of time, I imagine it's.
It's like that one episode ofspongebob where squidward gets
transported to the future andthen he ends up breaking it and
then he's just in the whitespace and he's like I'm all okay
oh, I remember I am veryinterested I don't understand
your dialect.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
There's a spongebob reference.
There's a spongebob for every.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I am very interested in certain SpongeBob.
There's a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
SpongeBob reference for fucking everything, there's
a SpongeBob for everything.
Absolutely.
It's wild.
It's what I grew up on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
It's my favorite cartoon I've ever watched in my
life.
Not the new shit, though.
If you watch a new SpongeBoband you're like this is
genuinely great, lock yourselfup Padded room.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Go to the house that this movie was based on, the
other thing that Eric shows meis Rick and Morty.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Rick and Morty is top tier.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
They have fucking episodes of almost everything,
Every topic, and actually Ithink when are my balls?
Summer Rick and Morty is veryalternate dimension, alternate
universes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Yeah, have you seen Interdimensional Cable?

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
No, oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
God.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I've done it.
I've done one of the bits fromit.
Hi, my name is Ants in my eyes.
Johnson, I have ants in my eyes.
Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, that's from Interdimensional Cable.
We've got good prices.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Well I can't see.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
I hope they're good.
And there's like peoplestealing from the store he's
like I can't see.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Also, I can't feel, and he lights on fire because he
touched a stove.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
We made a joke or something Like we did a bit and
we were like that's somethingthat would 100% be on an
interdimensional cable.
I can't remember what it was,but anyways, yeah, Rick and
Morty Funny, got a bunch ofrandom shit.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Oh, they had a.
I mean there's so much in Ilike shows like that.
There's a lot of good shit theydo shit that everybody thinks
of, like random shit, like whatwould happen if you dropped a
fucking lightsaber directly,like straight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, vertical.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Perfectly vertical.
Would it just keep going to thecenter there?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I haven't.
I haven't seen that, but thatis something that I have always
thought about.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
That's also some shit that like family guy would
explore.
It would and it would just be acutaway where peter randomly
drops a lightsaber through andit goes through and slices some
chinese dude in half, I'vedefinitely 100 like a family guy
episode.
Yeah, no, love it, love it.
So, um, yeah, I mean, we'vetalked for a while, uh, some
about this movie and some notabout this movie, uh, but I

(01:02:59):
think we came to the gifts.
Thank you, Cerulea.
Hello, to you too.
I think we have come to, well,I've come to a decision.
I think if I was forced intothis situation, I do believe the
this isn't exactly in the Bible, but it's more of a principle
of tough shoes for a tough trip,where God told who did he tell

(01:03:20):
that to?
Basically, he gave them shoesof brass right, that was the
song of Asher Brass shoes, andbasically the meaning was that
you're going to need somethingmore than just some regular
shoes for this trip, and Godprovided that.
So he provides you the armor heprovides you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
He'll never give you something you can't handle, like
any foam, posits or nothing.
No, yeezys.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Nope, nope, straight on the brass.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
They're like yeah, I know you're used to walking on
these sandals, but you're goingto need more.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Armor.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Take these Yeezy boosts Armor.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Take the best shoe wear that could ever be made
Crocs.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Thank you, take these Shrek Crocs, crocs.
Thank you, my lord.
What are these?
I call them Crocs.
Thank you, take these ShrekCrocs, crocs.
Thank you, my lord.
What are these I call?

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
them Crocs Christ, put them in sport mode.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
When you're running from the Egyptians, thou must
put them in sports mode.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
They've got the little gibbets on them like
fucking the little crosses, Abitten apple from fucking like
Eve and shit wow fuck, it's likethe egyptian hieroglyphs the
stone tablets you know for, forthe, you know there's 10 of them
, you know you know, you knownow I did, you know, moses moses

(01:04:37):
had his crocs in sports mode.
When he uh walked into theriver turned into blood.
Did I send?

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
you guys that joke.
There was a podcast.
I don't know what podcast itwas comedy three guys.
Three guys, one, one woman and,uh, it said, I finally figured
out how it happened.
In the, the garden of eden,they were all sitting around it.
Adam says look at this, we haveeverything we want, everything
we'd need.
If we need something else, itappears for us anything that you

(01:05:01):
want, if you dream of it, itappears.
How is that?
And the woman says, yeah, notenough, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
and the woman on the panel is sitting there.
The men start.
All the men are cracking up.
They're just like not funny.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
She goes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
I'm waiting for more that was kind of the kind of the
point.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
I just, I just had a thought that was a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
I liked that one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
You had a thought stop everything, I'm cursed.
Tj thought With a dumbass brain.
So I was thinking like whatwould be some funny shoes?
And you know this is probablyblasphemy.
But you know Jesus Christ onthe cross, except it's a Nike
logo.
Like his arms are stretched outover the Nike logo, call him
Christies.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Christies.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Christies call them christies, christies, christies.
Ladies and gentlemen, alightning bolt has just struck
tj, but I have the, I have thepower of photoshop.
I'm not gonna do it, but I haveit just think about it we can
be billionaires.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
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Yes, it has been quite theepisode.
Thank you for joining us.
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The boy oh wait, I gotta.
Oh, that's T-H-E-B-O-Y-S atwillyousurvivethepodcastcom.
All right, it has been us.
Oh wait, I got to.
Oh shit, points.
I've been keeping a really,really close tracker.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Alex wins, okay, although I sent you guys the
movie that I wanted to do next Alot more funny shit in the
conversation, but you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
I mean, I'm not always looking for funny.
Look, I'm a silly dude, I gotmy silly goose sweater on.
But it's not always about allthe sillies.
Sometimes it's about the seriesand that's short for serious.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Well, bring me out.
I don't believe In Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
See, that's why you lost.
See, if you had a exactly wowy'all having your little fucking
.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Jesus conversation, this whole goddamn episode.
I'm just trying to make peoplelaugh.
You could have.
You could have asked questions.
You know what this episode isgonna be you could have engaged
with the episode, but insteadyou decided that you wanted to
do what you wanted to do whatyou wanted to do.
It's going to be called theConjuring.
Oh sure, we used to write theConjuring except it's just them
talking about Jesus for 20fucking hours.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
You could have asked questions, you could have
engaged with a conversation.
I was engaging, you could havebrought up things about the
movie, but instead you justwanted to go for the Jamaican
patois, which I admired, and itwas a move.
But I go for the jamaicanpatois, which I admired and it
was a move, but I'm just sayingit was good the first two times,
judging by the standards that Iset, which was just having a
conversation.
You even threw the bomba clotalex and I uh had more to

(01:08:16):
discuss um, and that's just howthe cookie crumbles.
My bad dude, go to churchsometime, that's.
That's not always how thecookie crumbles, I think.
Well, it's how it crumbledtoday, I think.
So get the fuck over it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
You know what.
You know what what.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Fuck you.
Yeah, yeah, that's what Ithought.
That's what I thought.
That's what I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Thank you all for listening to the Way you Survive
podcast.
My name is TJ.
That's bitch, that's bitch andthank you for listening.
Till next time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Stay alive this guy's not even a host.
He can't even I know but it'sin the constitution.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
I am all powerful.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
No it is not actually .
That's not in the constitution.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
As the person who has the constitution?
That's not in the constitution.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
No anyways, thank you guys for tuning in.
Thank you for listening.
Uh, very much appreciate it.
Next time Alex will be hostingbecause he won and until then
Extra biased Stay alive, Thankyou.