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Today we talk with Catherine on how she and her husband started their homestead. Simple ways you can live the life you want, with purpose. Tips ad idea you can implement, even on a small scale.
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Catherine (00:00):
There's too many questions at once.
can you ask me onequestion at a time?
so how was your day?
It was good.
I worked outside a lot and triedto prep my garden a little bit
and hung out with the boys.
Mel (00:18):
Oh, that's cool.
So how are you prepping your,
Catherine (00:21):
So right now I have the spot marked off and I have
leaves on top of it.
I have probably four or fiveinches of leaves on top of the
space, just to try to, uh,suffocate the weeds and keep the
soil nice and moist.
I'm ready to plug.
(00:44):
Yeah.
And it's free.
It was already, the leaves werealready in my yard.
So that was a bonus.
Well, I was gonna say I usedstraw last year, but the straw
actually had seeds in it.
So I was constantly plucking outgrass from my garden.
Mel (00:59):
Yeah.
You were sprouting seeds.
Yeah.
Catherine (01:02):
Or whatever it was or whatever it was sprouting.
It wasn't good.
It was kind ofcounterproductive.
So the Leafs are working muchbetter and they're free.
So that's nice.
Mel (01:12):
Hey, y'all I'm Mel and you are listening to Wilma.
The wonder hand,
Mel Intro (01:19):
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adventures chat about everydaylife.
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Bringing you fascinatinginterviews with poultry owners
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(01:39):
Along with new chicken, keepinggadgets and reviews.
I'm gonna see what Mr.
Jes and Wilma has to say aboutthat.
We're going to encourage andhelp you build a stronger,
healthier flock.
Let's go see what Mr.
Jes and Wilma is up to.
Let's go let these heifers out.
Mel (01:59):
Okay.
Today's guest is Kathryn.
Uh, Kathryn, happy to be mychild.
She's no longer a child.
She is a grown adult and we aresuper excited to have her with
us today, cuz she's actuallyvery knowledgeable and the
gardening and the all those goodhomestead things.
(02:19):
So today she's gonna share withus a little bit about what, uh,
moved her towards purchasing theplace that she has now and the
things that she does to helpwith sustainability and uh, her
future plan.
So welcome Kathryn.
We are so excited to have youwith us.
Catherine (02:39):
Thank you.
I'm glad to be back again.
I enjoyed the, the first time Iwas here.
Mel (02:44):
You guess if you didn't know, Catherine has a
Catherine has a prior podcastepisode all about how she bought
auction chickens and how thatworked out and yeah.
So you should, I'll, I'll tagthat in the show notes and you
can go listen to what not to do,uh, in getting new chickens.
Catherine (03:07):
Yes.
I made lots of mistakes,
Mel (03:10):
But we are so grateful to have you with us.
I know you're very, very busy.
Uh, if you give our listenersjust a little bit of a
background of what you do, whoyou are, those kind of things.
Catherine (03:22):
Right now, I am working full-time as a nurse
practitioner, serving veteransin our community.
Um, at home I have about 20, no14 chickens, uh, three dogs and
a cat.
And, and we live on about 12acres in a rural area and east
(03:45):
Tennessee.
Mel (03:47):
So what made you choose the land that you have?
I mean, was, did you have inmind things that you wanted to
get out of the land that youwere gonna get or plans of what
you, I you're a planner causeI've seen your, your garden
planner.
her garden planner isstellar.
It's a little like when we goback and forth about gardening
(04:10):
and seeds and things and try orwhatever, uh, she has these
diagrams of how she plans outher garden.
I, I do to a point, but hers islike, I mean, it's pretty
intense.
So
Catherine (04:26):
I like to visualize things on paper.
I don't like to just have theplan in my head because it just
feels so cluttered in my head,but it really helps me if I
write it down.
And so that's why I draw all thediagrams.
Um, no,
Mel (04:46):
I think your diagrams are great though.
I I'm gonna implement some ofthat stuff because I I'm gonna
add a bunch of new seeds andsome beds, so yeah.
Gotta
Catherine (04:54):
Figure all that out.
And it definitely helps too, ifyou have a whole lot of things
that you wanna plant, becausesometimes you can forget about
things.
If you don't write'em down.
Well, I, I do.
And also with inter planningtoo, so you know what can go
next to each other and what youmaybe shouldn't put next to each
(05:15):
other.
Mel (05:16):
So going back to the original question, so what, what
was on your mind?
No, save all the was great tips.
What was on your mind, uh, priorto y'all picking what you
picked?
Like what did you envision?
Well, we
Catherine (05:32):
Definitely wanted a lot of land because I wanted
lots of animals, uh, farmanimals.
Of course we already hadchickens at that point, but we
only had maybe, I don't know,six or 10, we didn't have very
many at that point.
So we wanted more land to beable to expand with the chickens
(05:53):
and then maybe consider gettinglike goats or horses or
something at that time we wantedmore land.
Um, and then of course thegardening aspect of it too.
I wanted to be able to have ourfruit trees and have more crops
that would come back each year,like the blueberries and
(06:14):
strawberries and berries and allthose things and where we lived
before we were in the city a alittle bit.
I mean, it wasn't as real as itis now, but it wasn't really a
great place to have all thoseanimals and uh, plant like a
(06:34):
food type forest that I wantedhere.
Mel (06:38):
So you do plan on getting other animals?
Catherine (06:42):
Not, not so much anymore.
Probably not.
No, no.
We've we really like to traveland we've found that having all
these animals is nice until youwanna leave.
Mel (06:57):
Isn't that the, yeah.
I mean, you can't even go to thebathroom without one, forget
about planning, any type ofvacation.
Yeah.
Catherine (07:04):
Maybe somewhere in the future.
And plus the land that we endedup buying, not great for farming
necessarily because it has a lotof Hills, uh, it's quite steep
in some areas.
So it would be really todifficult to keep like horses or
cattle on you could probablygoats would be fine.
I'm sure sheep, but you know,the things that I originally
(07:28):
wanted, I don't think that'llreally work out here.
Mel (07:31):
So for someone who was looking to find a piece of
property to be more sustainableoriginally, when you got your
place, is that what you werethink, thinking about is being
sustainable or you just thoughtlike the idea of the larger
area, you know, more privacy, uh, more of a freedom.
(07:51):
So what was kind of like the, Iknow you said your, your main
goal at that time was to, youknow, get all these animals.
And then of course you realizedthat you wanted to be more free
and travel more and thatwas gonna be difficult.
What could you offer someone, uh, advice on ways that, you know,
(08:11):
tips of what to look for, or,you know, if they're going to
start their own littlehomestead, I mean, you don't
need 12 acres.
Like you have, I mean, you couldstart in a smaller way.
So what are some tips that youcould give people maybe to be
sustainable on where theyalready live?
Catherine (08:30):
So as far as sustainability, like growing
your own food, I don't thinkthat there is a certain amount
of space that's required.
I think that people are verycreative with small spaces, like
with, uh, vertical growing andraised beds.
And I've seen those, thosetowers before, too.
(08:52):
Yeah, the tower.
Yeah.
There's, there's all kinds ofdifferent options for people who
wanna grow their own food.
Um, and you don't necessarilyhave to have 12 acres or really
a large area of land to do that.
Um, whenever to answer yourfirst question about what we
were looking for, whenever webought this property, privacy
(09:15):
was a big thing.
And then wanting just more landto get away from our neighbors
cause where, where welived before we had some nosy
neighbors and yeah, they werequite close.
So, um, that, and we wererenting from family and we
didn't really feel like it wasour own place.
(09:36):
So that kind of drove us to,
Mel (09:39):
To say, this is mine, you know, I can do what I want with
it and not have to be concernedwith someone else and what they
limit you, you know, whatchanges you can make and stuff.
So yeah, you answered that quitewell.
Do you find there's ways that,um, you, you can help?
I mean, I know that you work forfull-time and most people do
(10:00):
obviously work full-time too,but, uh, are there ways that you
think that you can utilize theland that you have, or have you,
and, uh, you know, to add incomeinto the homestead, you know, to
offset some of the costs for,um, you know, having your
animals and
Catherine (10:21):
Yeah, so really the only way that we have made
income off of our land is byselling eggs, uh, from our
chickens.
And there's a few people for mywork who buy those for$4 a
dozen, which really isn't much,but it's, it does help with
(10:42):
their feed cost.
Um, but I know some people, uh,sell their produce if they have
extra produce or theyintentionally grow more than
what they need to sell atfarmer's markets or even, uh,
selling cut flowers too.
So there's several differentavenues that you can take.
If you wanna try to make someincome off of your property.
(11:07):
I know you
Mel (11:08):
Were very creative though, with some of the little Etsy
shop, that little wood stuffthat you had going.
Could you tell us a little bitabout that?
I think it's very fascinating.
Oh
Catherine (11:17):
Yes.
So, uh, whenever we first movedhere, the, the people who we
bought the property from, theyleft a bunch of, uh, black
Walnut wood that was alreadymilled into one inch slabs.
So we didn't wanna get rid of itcuz it was nice pieces of wood.
So I came up with the idea tocut it into small sections and
(11:41):
sell it as shelves on Etsy,which I've kind of fell, fell
off the phone, off the wagonwith that.
I have a bunch that I need toput on Etsy, but I just kind of
lost interest
Mel (11:56):
Okay.
But those things that you didlist, you know, like a cut
flowers and you know, sellingyour eggs.
And I know, uh, quite a fewpeople that's been on here
they've made syrups and stuff,you know, homemade those
homemade products that they sellon line to help adjust for some
of the cost of their animals.
(12:16):
But yeah, I think if you can beresourceful, you can definitely,
um, make some money back and putit back into your homestead.
Catherine (12:26):
Absolutely.
And the going back to the wood,you know, initially you didn't
really think anybody would buyit.
It cuz it's just, you know, apiece of wood, but you take
decent pictures of it and writea little description of it and
there's people out there whowill buy it.
So even if you don't think, youknow, that your produce is the
(12:47):
absolute best out there or yourflowers are the prettiest or
most unique, there's probably amarket, somebody out there who
would be willing to pay for it.
Mel (12:56):
Yeah.
I think people are, um, apt tobuy like local, you know, mm-hmm
instead of thesebig commercial, you know,
grocery stores they're eventhough if they're not as pretty
as what you would see, uh, inthe grocery store and I know
there's a bunch of littlefarmers goods and all those
things that you can, you know,get in contact with, uh, various
(13:19):
organizations and be a part evenlike CSA, they have a lot of
people that, um, do
Catherine (13:26):
That too.
Yeah, they do.
And I think some of that is, uh,those, your followers build a
relationship with you.
And so it's easier for you tosell that stuff to them because
they, they learn to, they learnabout you and you develop
relationships.
And so they have kind of aloyalty to you.
Mel (13:47):
Do you have plans on, I know you mentioned your garden,
you already started thinkingabout that and stuff.
And I am going to add a cutflour garden.
I don't know if it's gonna beanything that anyone would even
wanna buy because it's gonna benew, you know, like to see what
kind of works and stuff.
So do you plan on adding a cutgarden or is that just for fun?
(14:09):
I know you have a lot of flowersaround your property, uh, but
adding something that maybe youcould on the roadside or
Catherine (14:17):
Something.
Yeah.
I definitely have more than whatI need, uh, for my own viewing
pleasure.
I think I'll have morethan enough to, to try to sell
some, if I have extra, justtrying to test the water, see if
there's a market for it.
I know there's several people inthis area that, uh, are doing
that already, but
Mel (14:39):
Maybe you can sell that to, you know, your people you work
with and stuff.
Catherine (14:43):
Yeah.
I mean, you never know until youtry and what's it gonna hurt if
you're already growing itanyways, you might as well just
see what you can share withother people.
Do you have any
Mel (14:55):
Chicken keeping tips for our listeners since our last
nightmare of an episode that wewent through?
Catherine (15:04):
Yeah.
Well I have, I'm living anothernightmare right now because my
neighbor's dogs gone into mychickens get in and killed six
of'em just past week.
I'm
Mel (15:15):
So sorry.
It just breaks my heart that ithappened.
Catherine (15:18):
Yeah.
It's it sucks.
Especially if they won't takeresponsibility for it.
But um, you know, right nowwe're just on lockdown.
We have a poultry net that's let, and as long as they're in
that, they're safe, but youknow, we feel bad leaving'em
they have more than enoughspace, but you know, they've ate
(15:42):
all the grass and Clover andeverything else.
So we were letting'em free rangefor a little bit, but they're
definitely not coming out for areally long time.
Yeah.
Being
Mel (15:51):
Your own property, you would think that, uh, they're
safe.
Mm-hmm I mean, notto be safe from aerial
predators.
I mean, we can't all controlthat, but no predators that live
next door, that's just
Catherine (16:03):
Ridiculous.
Oh yeah.
And I we've, we've lost a few toHawks before and, and I just, it
doesn't sting as bad because youknow that they're gonna kill'em
quickly and that their body'snot gonna be wasted, but you
know, the dogs just do it forfun and torture'em.
And so
Mel (16:22):
You have any tips that you've learned since then?
Any magical chicken keepingadventures, anything you're
loving right now, you got any,uh, products that you really
Catherine (16:33):
Love?
Um, I actually found some fivegrain scratch at a local feed
store.
That was a lot cheaper than thescratch grain at, uh, one of the
big chain farm supply stores.
Mel (16:47):
Isn't that the co-op did you go to the co-op?
Catherine (16:49):
No, it's uh, off exit 50.
Oh,
Mel (16:52):
That that's tells me everything.
Catherine (16:55):
No, it's literally right at 50 right before you get
to fall branch school.
Mel (16:59):
Oh my
Catherine (17:00):
I'm check out.
They have a five grain scratchand they have, well, they have
like a three grain scratch, afive grain scratch.
And I wanna say seven grainscratch with probiotic.
That's fancy stuff.
I just got the, the five grainscratched and they really like
that.
And uh, their crack corn wasalso cheaper there.
So my tip would be to checkprices around because in my head
(17:24):
I thought that maybe the localwould be more expensive.
Uh, I don't know why I thoughtthat, but it did, but it turns
out they're actually cheaper.
Mel (17:31):
Yeah.
Sometimes they are the co-ophere.
It's, it's a little, a bit more,it's the same product.
Like they have their own mixmm-hmm but it's not
any cheaper than the name brand.
So, and I guess you kind of feelnervous when you've not, you
know, tried it out yet.
So, but yeah, that's a great tipto try and find local
Catherine (17:53):
Feed yeah.
Price checks, and I'm sure itchanges all the time too.
Um, I know some of the bigchains they price match, but,
um, I don't know that you wouldbe able to price match if it
wasn't in a printed ad or onlineor something.
So where
Mel (18:10):
Do you get the knowledge?
Where, where would you sendsomeone for, uh, tips on
gardening?
Do you have specific places thatyou always go to, you know,
educate yourself on more things,like you said in the beginning,
you know, like co planting andyou know, to help yourself gain
more knowledge to, uh, grow asa, grow as a
Catherine (18:34):
Gardener uh,
as I grow up through growing
yes, there, well,there's a couple places online.
I like the Almanac website.
Um, the farmer's Almanac, youcan put an in your zone and it
tells you about planting and,uh, like when to plant and when
(18:56):
to harvest.
And I just had a lot of detailson it.
And then also more recently Ifound a website, uh it's
university of Tennesseeextension, and it shows like the
ask frost dates, the first frostdates, when you should plant,
uh, spring vegetables and fallvegetables.
(19:18):
And like, basically anythingthat you wanna know about
anything related to farming andgardening in this area.
And they also had a really coolcalendar that was for the whole
year and they had it dividedwith west Tennessee and east
Tennessee, and it was colorcoded.
And on each day of the month, itwould be colored coded with the
(19:43):
directions on what to plant now.
Uh, or if you should be sprayingyour trees now, like your fruit
and, uh, direct selling X, Y, Z.
So those are two resources thatI really like to use.
Mel (19:59):
Obviously local is better.
I mean, you can go to thefarmer's Almanac and put in your
area and stuff, and then it comeup.
But if you, um, can findsomething local to your area,
you get more, more of a detail,like you said, all those things
broken down.
Catherine (20:15):
Yeah.
And also on the back of yourseeds too, or whenever you
purchase the seeds online, likeif you purchase'em through
Johnny's or, uh, I don't thinkbaker Creek really has a whole
lot of information on plantingon their website, but I know
Johnny's and, um, what's theother one gurneys.
Mel (20:33):
Yeah.
Host tools.
Has I bought a bunch of seedsfrom them last year.
They, they, they have a big blogand stuff too.
Catherine (20:41):
Mm-hmm
yeah.
A lot of'em give you directionson, you know, when to plan'em
when to harvest'em and all thedetails of planting, but that
university of Tennessee websiteI found was really helpful.
Mel (20:55):
So what is some advice that you would give someone that is
just starting?
I mean, what not necessarilytips, but just some general
advice, uh, for someone whoreally has a heart really wants
to be sustainable really wantsto live a life that's not, um,
(21:16):
so confined and maybe feel sovulnerable to, uh, what's going
on in the world, you know, to,uh, take back some of that
control kind of like they did inthe old days, you know?
Yeah.
Catherine (21:30):
well, I would
say educating yourself is
definitely one of the mostimportant things that you can
do.
Um, because if you go in blind,then you're gonna make a whole
lot of mistakes, not to sayyou're not gonna make mistakes
along the way anyways, but Ithink really taking the time to
do some research, watch videos,um, listen to people who are
(21:56):
already doing it and take advicefrom them.
People who have experience with
Mel (22:00):
It.
Do you have anyone in particularthat you would say, you know,
you would recommend to watch or
Catherine (22:07):
Follow?
Yeah, we really like JustinRhode.
Um, I think he just came outwith his own streaming channel.
Uh, I think it's calledabundance plus, but anyways, we,
we watched him whenever he wasjust doing YouTube videos, but
he does a lot of home setting.
His wife, Rebecca does a lot ofkey inning and preserving and
(22:31):
they have their own dairy cowsand, uh, they harvest meat,
chickens, they harvest sheep orlamb.
Um, they do a whole lot aroundthe homestead and they're just
genuinely good people.
It seems like.
So they have lots of experienceand they're willing to share it
(22:52):
for free on their YouTubechannel.
So, um, that's one that wedefinitely enjoy watching, but
roots and refugees, another one,just, I think her name's Jess,
we like watching her and herhusband and kids.
Um, but YouTube has an, a ofhomesteaders on there who are
willing to share theirexperience and advice for people
(23:15):
who are just starting out.
Yeah.
That
Mel (23:17):
Was really good though.
That's a lot of places thatpeople can go.
Do you have any plans for thefuture?
Is there anything different thatyou want to add that I know you
said that you really weren'tinterested in adding, you know,
too many more animals gonnastick chickens, but do you have
any other vision, like, um, areyou just living your life?
Catherine (23:37):
Yeah, I definitely have vision as far as gardening
goes.
Um, and the, the plants, theflowers, the perennials trying
new annuals, um, getting ourfruit trees established, which
we already have a couple maturepeach trees, a church cherry
tree, uh, and a peach tree, orI'm sorry, a para tree, the para
(24:00):
trees shaded out.
And it it's never beared fruit,but anyways, we're really
wanting to work on getting ourmore strawberries, blackberries,
blueberries, those kinds ofthings that come back each year
that you really don't have toput a whole lot of thought into
other than, you know,fertilizing'em and, uh, trimming
(24:20):
'em and just, you know, workingmaintenance, but gardening, I
really wanna focus on theanimals.
Like you said, not so much.
What we have is kind of we'remaxed out I don't want
any more animal chores rightnow, but I really wish that
spring would just get here.
Cause I'm excited to try somenew flowers and I've got new
(24:43):
vegetables to try.
Uh, but basically just expandingon our garden.
Also, we've been clearing a lotof trees and a lot of land, so
we have a lot of bear soil.
So we're wanting to get thatplanted in to help with prevent
erosion and, uh, keep our soilwhere it's at and knock down in
(25:04):
the ditch, down the road.
You,
Mel (25:06):
I also want to just mention that last year was the first
year that I added in thecardboard in between my rose and
my big garden.
And I got this idea fromCatherine.
And when I shared this on myInstagram, uh, host tools, which
is the some where I bought someof the seeds and stuff from last
year, they actually were soexcited.
(25:27):
They shared it and then theylike shared it on all of their
platforms, um, with thecardboard.
So where did that idea comefrom?
Did, did you have, is this youroriginal thought?
Catherine (25:38):
No.
This idea came from, uh, myhusband's mammo, his grandmother
, my
Mel (25:43):
Father-in-law who he's pretty, you know, I think he's a
, like 70, 71 or something,maybe 60, late sixties.
And he was so excited about whenI first went out there and I
started laying the cardboard,which seems simple.
Like I'm sure lots of peopleknow that, but he has been a
gardener in, you know, out inthe hay fields for years and
(26:05):
years and years.
That's all, they, you know, whathe does as who he was, uh, he
was like, looking at me like,what are you doing?
Mm-hmm.
And even like his brother andall them, you know, they had
always been, you know, out inthe garden and stuff.
They thought I was a lunatic cuzI was laying out, I didn't have
big sheets of a cardboard.
So I kind of pieced together abunch of cardboard and, and then
(26:28):
put like little rocks on it.
So it didn't blow away.
And they thought I was insane,but after, you know, a garden
started growing and then webarely had any weeds and they
were like, wow, mm-hmm this is so cool.
So now this year, this wholewinter time they've been
collecting cardboard from, youknow, different, you know, if
(26:50):
they got a new refrigerator orwhatever, they just put it away
and, and you know, he was like,we got, we got more cardboard
for this coming year.
And I was like, yeah.
So that, even those that smalllittle tip so that the tips that
you share are very useful to, uh, many people because you know
who would've thought?
(27:10):
I mean, like I said, probablylots of people use that, but
wow.
You know, so yeah.
So we appreciate
Catherine (27:17):
That.
She's got lots of tips andtricks with, uh, plants and
she's raised a Arden for really,really long, long time.
They preserve a lot too.
They preserve,
Mel (27:29):
I mean last year was my very first year of canning for
my birthday.
I asked for a canso I got a pressure cooker and
you know, all the little thingsthat go with it, it was very
exciting.
So better.
Do you plan on getting to, sinceyou're gonna grow, you know,
lots of cherries and you know,different types of fruit and
stuff?
(27:49):
I
Catherine (27:50):
Don't know, depend, I guess it just depends on how
much we get.
Well, you know, last year we hada late frost and it killed all
of our cherries in our peaches.
So I'm hoping that we don't geta late frost and that we can
actually get some fruit thisyear because of the year before
last, the squirrels robbed allof'em and we didn't get a single
(28:10):
peach.
Mel (28:12):
I know last year, my cherry tree, it, it killed it.
It was all getting ready tobloom and then it, it killed all
of the fruit.
So,
Catherine (28:20):
But I'd be open to try some canning if we have an
abundance of fruit and orvegetables.
Mel (28:29):
I think it's fun.
I can't wait, but I'm superexcited for my garden.
Catherine (28:33):
I know I'm too.
I wish it'd just be springalready.
I got some red onions that I'mwanting to plant, but I should
have planted'em in the fall.
I'm gonna try spring plant andI'm see how it goes.
So
Mel (28:44):
We appreciate you, you and all of your advice.
I, I think it's great though,because, um, because you are in
the younger bracket, you know,you're not babies, but you're
not middle age.
And I think it y'all have donean amazing job with, you know,
your land and your animals.
And I know that y'all both havevery, and you went to school and
(29:08):
are very, very smart.
She's rolling her eyes, but sheis, she's a genius, but I could
be biased, but yeah, for yourage, you know, that gives people
hope.
You know, it's never too lateand it's never too early to kind
of, you know, plan ahead foryour own little space in the
world.
Mm-hmm, but we areso grateful that you, uh, you
(29:31):
get, you know, you gave us alittle bit of your time and some
very good tips, uh, there, uh,where could our listeners find
you if they wanted to followyou?
I know you post, you don't posta whole lot, but you do post a
lot of stuff to your stories.
Mm-hmm and maybe,uh, this spring you can share a
little bit more and, uh, helpthose out that are new bees or
(29:51):
maybe wanna learn a new trick ortwo.
So where can we find you?
catherine (29:55):
Yeah, I, like you said, I'm on Instagram a t my
name, I think i s cat_Hensley.
U m, but like you said, I don'treally make a lot of posts
necessarily, but I do put a lotof stuff on my story and I have
a highlight f rom homestead andthen also f or my plants and for
my animals too.
(30:16):
Yeah.
I peeped all that, some goodstuff.
Plus h e lives in this reallybeautiful cabin.
So i t, i t makes all o ur f orphotos look like one of those, u
h, professional, u h, beautifulInstagram accounts that we've
talked about before, u m, ourpodcast that we will never be
< laugh> w e have, w ejust be who we are so w ell, b
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ut we appreciate y ou.
U h, we do l ove y ou and we'llsee you next t ime.
Y ou, y ou I'm a nd l istening to.
There's too many questions at once.
It was good.
I worked outside a lot and triedto prep my garden a little bit
and hung out with the boys.
Mel (00:18):
Oh, that's cool.
So how are you prepping your,
Catherine (00:21):
So right now I have the spot marked off and I have
leaves on top of it.
I have probably four or fiveinches of leaves on top of the
space, just to try to, uh,suffocate the weeds and keep the
soil nice and moist.
I'm ready to plug.
(00:44):
Yeah.
And it's free.
It was already, the leaves werealready in my yard.
So that was a bonus.
Well, I was gonna say I usedstraw last year, but the straw
actually had seeds in it.
So I was constantly plucking outgrass from my garden.
Mel (00:59):
Yeah.
You were sprouting seeds.
Yeah.
Catherine (01:02):
Or whatever it was or whatever it was sprouting.
It wasn't good.
It was kind ofcounterproductive.
So the Leafs are working muchbetter and they're free.
So that's nice.
Mel (01:12):
Hey, y'all I'm Mel and you are listening to Wilma.
The wonder hand,
Mel Intro (01:19):
Are you a chicken mouth love mama.
Daddy weather will dive into thelatest poultry keeping
adventures chat about everydaylife.
We're the generous mix of somehilarious stories.
Bringing you fascinatinginterviews with poultry owners
from all over you'll find tipsand basic advice from your local
veterinarian.
(01:39):
Along with new chicken, keepinggadgets and reviews.
I'm gonna see what Mr.
Jes and Wilma has to say aboutthat.
We're going to encourage andhelp you build a stronger,
healthier flock.
Let's go see what Mr.
Jes and Wilma is up to.
Let's go let these heifers out.
Mel (01:59):
Okay.
Today's guest is Kathryn.
Uh, Kathryn, happy to be mychild.
She's no longer a child.
She is a grown adult and we aresuper excited to have her with
us today, cuz she's actuallyvery knowledgeable and the
gardening and the all those goodhomestead things.
(02:19):
So today she's gonna share withus a little bit about what, uh,
moved her towards purchasing theplace that she has now and the
things that she does to helpwith sustainability and uh, her
future plan.
So welcome Kathryn.
We are so excited to have youwith us.
Catherine (02:39):
Thank you.
I'm glad to be back again.
I enjoyed the, the first time Iwas here.
Mel (02:44):
You guess if you didn't know, Catherine has a
Catherine has a prior podcastepisode all about how she bought
auction chickens and how thatworked out and yeah.
So you should, I'll, I'll tagthat in the show notes and you
can go listen to what not to do,uh, in getting new chickens.
Catherine (03:07):
Yes.
I made lots of mistakes,
Mel (03:10):
But we are so grateful to have you with us.
I know you're very, very busy.
Uh, if you give our listenersjust a little bit of a
background of what you do, whoyou are, those kind of things.
Catherine (03:22):
Right now, I am working full-time as a nurse
practitioner, serving veteransin our community.
Um, at home I have about 20, no14 chickens, uh, three dogs and
a cat.
And, and we live on about 12acres in a rural area and east
(03:45):
Tennessee.
Mel (03:47):
So what made you choose the land that you have?
I mean, was, did you have inmind things that you wanted to
get out of the land that youwere gonna get or plans of what
you, I you're a planner causeI've seen your, your garden
planner.
It's a little like when we goback and forth about gardening
(04:10):
and seeds and things and try orwhatever, uh, she has these
diagrams of how she plans outher garden.
I, I do to a point, but hers islike, I mean, it's pretty
intense.
So
Catherine (04:26):
I like to visualize things on paper.
I don't like to just have theplan in my head because it just
feels so cluttered in my head,but it really helps me if I
write it down.
And so that's why I draw all thediagrams.
Um,
Mel (04:46):
I think your diagrams are great though.
I I'm gonna implement some ofthat stuff because I I'm gonna
add a bunch of new seeds andsome beds, so yeah.
Gotta
Catherine (04:54):
Figure all that out.
And it definitely helps too, ifyou have a whole lot of things
that you wanna plant, becausesometimes you can forget about
things.
If you don't write'em down.
Well, I, I do.
And also with inter planningtoo, so you know what can go
next to each other and what youmaybe shouldn't put next to each
(05:15):
other.
Mel (05:16):
So going back to the original question, so what, what
was on your mind?
No, save all the was great tips.
What was on your mind, uh, priorto y'all picking what you
picked?
Like what did you envision?
Well, we
Catherine (05:32):
Definitely wanted a lot of land because I wanted
lots of animals, uh, farmanimals.
Of course we already hadchickens at that point, but we
only had maybe, I don't know,six or 10, we didn't have very
many at that point.
So we wanted more land to beable to expand with the chickens
(05:53):
and then maybe consider gettinglike goats or horses or
something at that time we wantedmore land.
Um, and then of course thegardening aspect of it too.
I wanted to be able to have ourfruit trees and have more crops
that would come back each year,like the blueberries and
(06:14):
strawberries and berries and allthose things and where we lived
before we were in the city a alittle bit.
I mean, it wasn't as real as itis now, but it wasn't really a
great place to have all thoseanimals and uh, plant like a
(06:34):
food type forest that I wantedhere.
Mel (06:38):
So you do plan on getting other animals?
Catherine (06:42):
Not, not so much anymore.
Probably not.
No, no.
We've we really like to traveland we've found that having all
these animals is nice until youwanna leave.
Mel (06:57):
Isn't that the, yeah.
I mean, you can't even go to thebathroom without one, forget
about planning, any type ofvacation.
Yeah.
Catherine (07:04):
Maybe somewhere in the future.
And plus the land that we endedup buying, not great for farming
necessarily because it has a lotof Hills, uh, it's quite steep
in some areas.
So it would be really todifficult to keep like horses or
cattle on you could probablygoats would be fine.
I'm sure sheep, but you know,the things that I originally
(07:28):
wanted, I don't think that'llreally work out here.
Mel (07:31):
So for someone who was looking to find a piece of
property to be more sustainableoriginally, when you got your
place, is that what you werethink, thinking about is being
sustainable or you just thoughtlike the idea of the larger
area, you know, more privacy, uh, more of a freedom.
(07:51):
So what was kind of like the, Iknow you said your, your main
goal at that time was to, youknow, get all these animals.
And then of course you realizedthat you wanted to be more free
What could you offer someone, uh, advice on ways that, you know,
(08:11):
tips of what to look for, or,you know, if they're going to
start their own littlehomestead, I mean, you don't
need 12 acres.
Like you have, I mean, you couldstart in a smaller way.
So what are some tips that youcould give people maybe to be
sustainable on where theyalready live?
Catherine (08:30):
So as far as sustainability, like growing
your own food, I don't thinkthat there is a certain amount
of space that's required.
I think that people are verycreative with small spaces, like
with, uh, vertical growing andraised beds.
And I've seen those, thosetowers before, too.
(08:52):
Yeah, the tower.
Yeah.
There's, there's all kinds ofdifferent options for people who
wanna grow their own food.
Um, and you don't necessarilyhave to have 12 acres or really
a large area of land to do that.
Um, whenever to answer yourfirst question about what we
were looking for, whenever webought this property, privacy
(09:15):
was a big thing.
And then wanting just more landto get away from our neighbors
neighbors and yeah, they werequite close.
So, um, that, and we wererenting from family and we
didn't really feel like it wasour own place.
(09:36):
So that kind of drove us to,
Mel (09:39):
To say, this is mine, you know, I can do what I want with
it and not have to be concernedwith someone else and what they
limit you, you know, whatchanges you can make and stuff.
So yeah, you answered that quitewell.
Do you find there's ways that,um, you, you can help?
I mean, I know that you work forfull-time and most people do
(10:00):
obviously work full-time too,but, uh, are there ways that you
think that you can utilize theland that you have, or have you,
and, uh, you know, to add incomeinto the homestead, you know, to
offset some of the costs for,um, you know, having your
animals and
Catherine (10:21):
Yeah, so really the only way that we have made
income off of our land is byselling eggs, uh, from our
chickens.
And there's a few people for mywork who buy those for$4 a
dozen, which really isn't much,but it's, it does help with
(10:42):
their feed cost.
Um, but I know some people, uh,sell their produce if they have
extra produce or theyintentionally grow more than
what they need to sell atfarmer's markets or even, uh,
selling cut flowers too.
So there's several differentavenues that you can take.
If you wanna try to make someincome off of your property.
(11:07):
I know you
Mel (11:08):
Were very creative though, with some of the little Etsy
shop, that little wood stuffthat you had going.
Could you tell us a little bitabout that?
I think it's very fascinating.
Oh
Catherine (11:17):
Yes.
So, uh, whenever we first movedhere, the, the people who we
bought the property from, theyleft a bunch of, uh, black
Walnut wood that was alreadymilled into one inch slabs.
So we didn't wanna get rid of itcuz it was nice pieces of wood.
So I came up with the idea tocut it into small sections and
(11:41):
sell it as shelves on Etsy,which I've kind of fell, fell
off the phone, off the wagonwith that.
I have a bunch that I need toput on Etsy, but I just kind of
lost interest
Mel (11:56):
Okay.
But those things that you didlist, you know, like a cut
flowers and you know, sellingyour eggs.
And I know, uh, quite a fewpeople that's been on here
they've made syrups and stuff,you know, homemade those
homemade products that they sellon line to help adjust for some
of the cost of their animals.
(12:16):
But yeah, I think if you can beresourceful, you can definitely,
um, make some money back and putit back into your homestead.
Catherine (12:26):
Absolutely.
And the going back to the wood,you know, initially you didn't
really think anybody would buyit.
It cuz it's just, you know, apiece of wood, but you take
decent pictures of it and writea little description of it and
there's people out there whowill buy it.
So even if you don't think, youknow, that your produce is the
(12:47):
absolute best out there or yourflowers are the prettiest or
most unique, there's probably amarket, somebody out there who
would be willing to pay for it.
Mel (12:56):
Yeah.
I think people are, um, apt tobuy like local, you know, mm-hmm
grocery stores they're eventhough if they're not as pretty
as what you would see, uh, inthe grocery store and I know
there's a bunch of littlefarmers goods and all those
things that you can, you know,get in contact with, uh, various
(13:19):
organizations and be a part evenlike CSA, they have a lot of
people that, um, do
Catherine (13:26):
That too.
Yeah, they do.
And I think some of that is, uh,those, your followers build a
relationship with you.
And so it's easier for you tosell that stuff to them because
they, they learn to, they learnabout you and you develop
relationships.
And so they have kind of aloyalty to you.
Mel (13:47):
Do you have plans on, I know you mentioned your garden,
you already started thinkingabout that and stuff.
And I am going to add a cutflour garden.
I don't know if it's gonna beanything that anyone would even
wanna buy because it's gonna benew, you know, like to see what
kind of works and stuff.
So do you plan on adding a cutgarden or is that just for fun?
(14:09):
I know you have a lot of flowersaround your property, uh, but
adding something that maybe youcould on the roadside or
Catherine (14:17):
Something.
Yeah.
I definitely have more than whatI need, uh, for my own viewing
pleasure.
some, if I have extra, justtrying to test the water, see if
there's a market for it.
I know there's several people inthis area that, uh, are doing
that already, but
Mel (14:39):
Maybe you can sell that to, you know, your people you work
with and stuff.
Catherine (14:43):
Yeah.
I mean, you never know until youtry and what's it gonna hurt if
you're already growing itanyways, you might as well just
see what you can share withother people.
Do you have any
Mel (14:55):
Chicken keeping tips for our listeners since our last
nightmare of an episode that wewent through?
Catherine (15:04):
Yeah.
Well I have, I'm living anothernightmare right now because my
neighbor's dogs gone into mychickens get in and killed six
of'em just past week.
I'm
Mel (15:15):
So sorry.
It just breaks my heart that ithappened.
Catherine (15:18):
Yeah.
It's it sucks.
Especially if they won't takeresponsibility for it.
But um, you know, right nowwe're just on lockdown.
We have a poultry net that's let, and as long as they're in
that, they're safe, but youknow, we feel bad leaving'em
they have more than enoughspace, but you know, they've ate
(15:42):
all the grass and Clover andeverything else.
So we were letting'em free rangefor a little bit, but they're
definitely not coming out for areally long time.
Yeah.
Being
Mel (15:51):
Your own property, you would think that, uh, they're
safe.
Mm-hmm
predators.
I mean, we can't all controlthat, but no predators that live
next door, that's just
Catherine (16:03):
Ridiculous.
Oh yeah.
And I we've, we've lost a few toHawks before and, and I just, it
doesn't sting as bad because youknow that they're gonna kill'em
quickly and that their body'snot gonna be wasted, but you
know, the dogs just do it forfun and torture'em.
And so
Mel (16:22):
You have any tips that you've learned since then?
Any magical chicken keepingadventures, anything you're
loving right now, you got any,uh, products that you really
Catherine (16:33):
Love?
Um, I actually found some fivegrain scratch at a local feed
store.
That was a lot cheaper than thescratch grain at, uh, one of the
big chain farm supply stores.
Mel (16:47):
Isn't that the co-op did you go to the co-op?
Catherine (16:49):
No, it's uh, off exit 50.
Oh,
Mel (16:52):
That that's tells me everything.
Catherine (16:55):
No, it's literally right at 50 right before you get
to fall branch school.
Mel (16:59):
Oh my
Catherine (17:00):
I'm check out.
They have a five grain scratchand they have, well, they have
like a three grain scratch, afive grain scratch.
And I wanna say seven grainscratch with probiotic.
That's fancy stuff.
I just got the, the five grainscratched and they really like
that.
And uh, their crack corn wasalso cheaper there.
So my tip would be to checkprices around because in my head
(17:24):
I thought that maybe the localwould be more expensive.
Uh, I don't know why I thoughtthat, but it did, but it turns
out they're actually cheaper.
Mel (17:31):
Yeah.
Sometimes they are the co-ophere.
It's, it's a little, a bit more,it's the same product.
Like they have their own mixmm-hmm
any cheaper than the name brand.
So, and I guess you kind of feelnervous when you've not, you
know, tried it out yet.
So, but yeah, that's a great tipto try and find local
Catherine (17:53):
Feed yeah.
Price checks, and I'm sure itchanges all the time too.
Um, I know some of the bigchains they price match, but,
um, I don't know that you wouldbe able to price match if it
wasn't in a printed ad or onlineor something.
So where
Mel (18:10):
Do you get the knowledge?
Where, where would you sendsomeone for, uh, tips on
gardening?
Do you have specific places thatyou always go to, you know,
educate yourself on more things,like you said in the beginning,
you know, like co planting andyou know, to help yourself gain
more knowledge to, uh, grow asa, grow as a
Catherine (18:34):
Gardener
I like the Almanac website.
Um, the farmer's Almanac, youcan put an in your zone and it
tells you about planting and,uh, like when to plant and when
(18:56):
to harvest.
And I just had a lot of detailson it.
And then also more recently Ifound a website, uh it's
university of Tennesseeextension, and it shows like the
ask frost dates, the first frostdates, when you should plant,
uh, spring vegetables and fallvegetables.
(19:18):
And like, basically anythingthat you wanna know about
anything related to farming andgardening in this area.
And they also had a really coolcalendar that was for the whole
year and they had it dividedwith west Tennessee and east
Tennessee, and it was colorcoded.
And on each day of the month, itwould be colored coded with the
(19:43):
directions on what to plant now.
Uh, or if you should be sprayingyour trees now, like your fruit
and, uh, direct selling X, Y, Z.
So those are two resources thatI really like to use.
Mel (19:59):
Obviously local is better.
I mean, you can go to thefarmer's Almanac and put in your
area and stuff, and then it comeup.
But if you, um, can findsomething local to your area,
you get more, more of a detail,like you said, all those things
broken down.
Catherine (20:15):
Yeah.
And also on the back of yourseeds too, or whenever you
purchase the seeds online, likeif you purchase'em through
Johnny's or, uh, I don't thinkbaker Creek really has a whole
lot of information on plantingon their website, but I know
Johnny's and, um, what's theother one gurneys.
Mel (20:33):
Yeah.
Host tools.
Has I bought a bunch of seedsfrom them last year.
They, they, they have a big blogand stuff too.
Catherine (20:41):
Mm-hmm
A lot of'em give you directionson, you know, when to plan'em
when to harvest'em and all thedetails of planting, but that
university of Tennessee websiteI found was really helpful.
Mel (20:55):
So what is some advice that you would give someone that is
just starting?
I mean, what not necessarilytips, but just some general
advice, uh, for someone whoreally has a heart really wants
to be sustainable really wantsto live a life that's not, um,
(21:16):
so confined and maybe feel sovulnerable to, uh, what's going
on in the world, you know, to,uh, take back some of that
control kind of like they did inthe old days, you know?
Yeah.
Catherine (21:30):
definitely one of the mostimportant things that you can
do.
Um, because if you go in blind,then you're gonna make a whole
lot of mistakes, not to sayyou're not gonna make mistakes
along the way anyways, but Ithink really taking the time to
do some research, watch videos,um, listen to people who are
(21:56):
already doing it and take advicefrom them.
People who have experience with
Mel (22:00):
It.
Do you have anyone in particularthat you would say, you know,
you would recommend to watch or
Catherine (22:07):
Follow?
Yeah, we really like JustinRhode.
Um, I think he just came outwith his own streaming channel.
Uh, I think it's calledabundance plus, but anyways, we,
we watched him whenever he wasjust doing YouTube videos, but
he does a lot of home setting.
His wife, Rebecca does a lot ofkey inning and preserving and
(22:31):
they have their own dairy cowsand, uh, they harvest meat,
chickens, they harvest sheep orlamb.
Um, they do a whole lot aroundthe homestead and they're just
genuinely good people.
It seems like.
So they have lots of experienceand they're willing to share it
(22:52):
for free on their YouTubechannel.
So, um, that's one that wedefinitely enjoy watching, but
roots and refugees, another one,just, I think her name's Jess,
we like watching her and herhusband and kids.
Um, but YouTube has an, a ofhomesteaders on there who are
willing to share theirexperience and advice for people
(23:15):
who are just starting out.
Yeah.
That
Mel (23:17):
Was really good though.
That's a lot of places thatpeople can go.
Do you have any plans for thefuture?
Is there anything different thatyou want to add that I know you
said that you really weren'tinterested in adding, you know,
too many more animals gonnastick chickens, but do you have
any other vision, like, um, areyou just living your life?
Catherine (23:37):
Yeah, I definitely have vision as far as gardening
goes.
Um, and the, the plants, theflowers, the perennials trying
new annuals, um, getting ourfruit trees established, which
we already have a couple maturepeach trees, a church cherry
tree, uh, and a peach tree, orI'm sorry, a para tree, the para
(24:00):
trees shaded out.
And it it's never beared fruit,but anyways, we're really
wanting to work on getting ourmore strawberries, blackberries,
blueberries, those kinds ofthings that come back each year
that you really don't have toput a whole lot of thought into
other than, you know,fertilizing'em and, uh, trimming
(24:20):
'em and just, you know, workingmaintenance, but gardening, I
really wanna focus on theanimals.
Like you said, not so much.
What we have is kind of we'remaxed out
any more animal chores rightnow, but I really wish that
spring would just get here.
Cause I'm excited to try somenew flowers and I've got new
(24:43):
vegetables to try.
Uh, but basically just expandingon our garden.
Also, we've been clearing a lotof trees and a lot of land, so
we have a lot of bear soil.
So we're wanting to get thatplanted in to help with prevent
erosion and, uh, keep our soilwhere it's at and knock down in
(25:04):
the ditch, down the road.
You,
Mel (25:06):
I also want to just mention that last year was the first
year that I added in thecardboard in between my rose and
my big garden.
And I got this idea fromCatherine.
And when I shared this on myInstagram, uh, host tools, which
is the some where I bought someof the seeds and stuff from last
year, they actually were soexcited.
(25:27):
They shared it and then theylike shared it on all of their
platforms, um, with thecardboard.
So where did that idea comefrom?
Did, did you have, is this youroriginal thought?
Catherine (25:38):
No.
This idea came from, uh, myhusband's mammo, his grandmother
, my
Mel (25:43):
Father-in-law who he's pretty, you know, I think he's a
, like 70, 71 or something,maybe 60, late sixties.
And he was so excited about whenI first went out there and I
started laying the cardboard,which seems simple.
Like I'm sure lots of peopleknow that, but he has been a
gardener in, you know, out inthe hay fields for years and
(26:05):
years and years.
That's all, they, you know, whathe does as who he was, uh, he
was like, looking at me like,what are you doing?
Mm-hmm
And even like his brother andall them, you know, they had
always been, you know, out inthe garden and stuff.
They thought I was a lunatic cuzI was laying out, I didn't have
big sheets of a cardboard.
So I kind of pieced together abunch of cardboard and, and then
(26:28):
put like little rocks on it.
So it didn't blow away.
And they thought I was insane,but after, you know, a garden
started growing and then webarely had any weeds and they
were like, wow, mm-hmm
So now this year, this wholewinter time they've been
collecting cardboard from, youknow, different, you know, if
(26:50):
they got a new refrigerator orwhatever, they just put it away
and, and you know, he was like,we got, we got more cardboard
for this coming year.
And I was like, yeah.
So that, even those that smalllittle tip so that the tips that
you share are very useful to, uh, many people because you know
who would've thought?
(27:10):
I mean, like I said, probablylots of people use that, but
wow.
You know, so yeah.
So we appreciate
Catherine (27:17):
That.
She's got lots of tips andtricks with, uh, plants and
she's raised a Arden for really,really long, long time.
They preserve a lot too.
They preserve,
Mel (27:29):
I mean last year was my very first year of canning for
my birthday.
I asked for a can
you know, all the little thingsthat go with it, it was very
exciting.
So better.
Do you plan on getting to, sinceyou're gonna grow, you know,
lots of cherries and you know,different types of fruit and
stuff?
(27:49):
I
Catherine (27:50):
Don't know, depend, I guess it just depends on how
much we get.
Well, you know, last year we hada late frost and it killed all
of our cherries in our peaches.
So I'm hoping that we don't geta late frost and that we can
actually get some fruit thisyear because of the year before
last, the squirrels robbed allof'em and we didn't get a single
(28:10):
peach.
Mel (28:12):
I know last year, my cherry tree, it, it killed it.
It was all getting ready tobloom and then it, it killed all
of the fruit.
So,
Catherine (28:20):
But I'd be open to try some canning if we have an
abundance of fruit and orvegetables.
Mel (28:29):
I think it's fun.
I can't wait, but I'm superexcited for my garden.
Catherine (28:33):
I know I'm too.
I wish it'd just be springalready.
I got some red onions that I'mwanting to plant, but I should
have planted'em in the fall.
I'm gonna try spring plant andI'm see how it goes.
So
Mel (28:44):
We appreciate you, you and all of your advice.
I, I think it's great though,because, um, because you are in
the younger bracket, you know,you're not babies, but you're
not middle age.
And I think it y'all have donean amazing job with, you know,
your land and your animals.
And I know that y'all both havevery, and you went to school and
(29:08):
are very, very smart.
She's rolling her eyes, but sheis, she's a genius, but I could
be biased, but yeah, for yourage, you know, that gives people
hope.
You know, it's never too lateand it's never too early to kind
of, you know, plan ahead foryour own little space in the
world.
Mm-hmm
(29:31):
get, you know, you gave us alittle bit of your time and some
very good tips, uh, there, uh,where could our listeners find
you if they wanted to followyou?
I know you post, you don't posta whole lot, but you do post a
lot of stuff to your stories.
Mm-hmm
little bit more and, uh, helpthose out that are new bees or
(29:51):
maybe wanna learn a new trick ortwo.
So where can we find you?
catherine (29:55):
Yeah, I, like you said, I'm on Instagram a t my
name, I think i s cat_Hensley.
U m, but like you said, I don'treally make a lot of posts
necessarily, but I do put a lotof stuff on my story and I have
a highlight f rom homestead andthen also f or my plants and for
my animals too.
(30:16):
Yeah.
I peeped all that, some goodstuff.
Plus h e lives in this reallybeautiful cabin.
So i t, i t makes all o ur f orphotos look like one of those, u
h, professional, u h, beautifulInstagram accounts that we've
talked about before, u m, ourpodcast that we will never be
(30:40):
ut we appreciate y ou.
U h, we do l ove y ou and we'llsee you next t ime.
Y ou, y ou I'm a nd l istening to.
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