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I lost Miss Sassy on Easter morning.
1. Common illnesses in chickens.
2. Fatty Liver Syndrome is more common than one would think.
3. Keeping a healthy dietary and exercise balance.
4. Does genetics play a role?
5. Experimental supplements for at risk groups.
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Article: Fatty Liver Syndrome https://www.merckvetmanual.com/poultry/fatty-liver-hemorrhagic-syndrome/fatty-liver-hemorrhagic-syndrome-in-poultry
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, y'all welcome back to another episode of Wilma
.
The wonder he podcast I'm Meland I am your host and creator
today.
We're gonna talk a little bitabout what happened to sassy,
which was my old English gamebird Banham Heon.
She was around six years old.
Uh, this is how happened toanother hand of mine.
(00:24):
If you remember miss Brittanyfrom last year, she was of the
same, uh, breed and out of thesame line.
And if you happen to hearwhining and screeching in the
background, do not worry, do notbe concerned.
That is miss pumpkin.
She is loud and she is proudtoday and she had some things
(00:48):
that she wanted to share.
Uh, on this episode, we, uh,will get back to her shortly.
Thank you, miss pumpkin.
Hey y'all I'm Mel and you arelistening to Wil at the wonder
hand, Are you a chicken mouthlove mama daddy together.
(01:11):
We'll dive into the latestpoultry keeping adventures.
Shout about everyday life.
We're the generous mix of somehilarious stories, Bringing you
fascinating interviews withpoultry owners from all over
you'll find tips and basicadvice from your local
veterinarian.
Along with new chicken, keepinggadgets and reviews.
(01:32):
I'm gonna see what Mr.
Jes and Wilma has to say aboutthat.
We're going to encourage andhelp you build a stronger,
healthier flop.
Let's go see what Mr.
Jes and Wilma is up to you.
Let's go let these heifers out.
If you've been around longenough, you, uh, remember back,
uh, last year, miss, uh,Brittany, she, um, took a turn
(01:55):
for the worst and within 24hours, uh, she had passed away.
We did an Aroy thatveterinarians report, uh, showed
that she did have fatty liversyndrome.
Uh, and this is what I believe,uh, sassy also passed from, I
don't have confirmation on thatyet, but that is what I'm going
with.
(02:15):
Yeah, she was in the samebloodline, uh, and she showed
exactly the same symptoms.
She had a very purple calm, uh,she went one minute from being
fine.
And then the morning, the nextmorning she had passed.
So let's kind of talk a littlebit about fatty liver syndrome.
Uh, I am not a veterinarian donot claim to be one.
(02:38):
This is just my personalexperience.
My communication with myveterinarian communication with
the state veterinarian andtopics that I have read online
through Merck vet, manual.comand other reputable, uh,
scientific, uh, notations.
This is also referred to asfatty liver hemorrhagic
(03:00):
syndrome, which will get into alittle bit more of that.
But it's basically a hemorrhageof the liver and each case can
have a different degree of, um,where the hand bleed out, uh,
there's different levels.
And that's a lot of scientificstuff that we probably won't go
over today.
We're just gonna give you thesynopsis, the basic layman
(03:23):
explain, explaining of, uh, whatgoes on inside of their body,
the causes of it, things thatare experimental right now, I
did read some cases that couldhelp prevent are lessen the
degree of a group, a flock thatmay have this within their
(03:44):
bloodline.
But like I said, this is alljust my knowledge that I've
gained from bits and pieces.
And like, I always say, do yourown research, you know, look at
the risk factors.
Um, so yeah, let's get into it.
Fatty liver syndrome is one ofthe top noninfectious, uh,
(04:05):
causes of death and backyard HESbecause, uh, the HNS liver will
have a yellow, fatty, mushyappearance to it, but not always
not in the Naroy that we haddone in miss Brittany.
She didn't all that fat depositson her liver, even though she
had a hemorrhage of her liver.
(04:27):
So not in every case, uh, whenyou're doing a crop.
So you're gonna find a big fatmuy liver on a hand that has
passed from this, everything Idid read, uh, it states its
primary lean Hins.
And this has to do with theestrogen and the egging
production.
Uh, this doesn't mean that itcan't happen in a male, but from
(04:49):
the material that I have read itis primarily, uh, female, and
they believe this to be truebecause the egg legging process
does stimulate estrogen, whichthen the estrogen stimulates
storing fat in the liver.
Uh, the material does state thatit usually occurs during
(05:11):
springtime.
This is when their egging is intheir highest peak, but the
majority of the material didstate that it has to do with the
improper G balance, uh, andoverweight.
He a hen taking in too muchenergy through, um, extra fat
(05:32):
confined birds, that lackexercise.
But like I said, that oldEnglish game, bird pin always
free ranged.
The only reason why they'reupright this moment is because
of the H five N one threat.
So everyone is on lockdown orlockdown.
And so, yeah, the, this basingit on my experience and talking
(05:53):
with our veterinarian, this ismore than likely a genetic issue
that is in that bloodline.
But you also have to remember,these are my older HNS and this
does occur in older HNS.
Um, miss Brittany was like Isaid, probably five, five or
six.
She was one of the originalones.
And then miss SASY and thatgroup would probably have miss
(06:17):
pumpkins, either mother or heraunties, at least.
So this is a concern of mine formiss pumpkin.
Uh, we will probably not bebreeding anymore of that
particular group.
Uh, that is the only group thatwe have had that has came back
that has had this, um, diagnosisof fatty liver syndrome.
(06:41):
And the symptoms of this isreally, uh, there really isn't
many symptoms prior to death.
Uh, it is quick in ourexperience and the things that
we have read, uh, your birds areusually found dead without any
clinical, uh, symptoms, uh, youknow, like withy crop, you, you
(07:02):
know, you have symptoms leadingup to that.
Or during that, you know, in eggbinding, you're also gonna have
symptoms and things leading upto that.
Uh, this is usually very, veryquick, um, as sassy was fine, uh
, probably an hour before Inoticed her, uh, she just
started to stand in one PA place.
And when I went back to check onher, she was kind of randomly
standing in another place.
(07:24):
Uh, you know, she wasn't activeand forging like those things
that we talk about, you know,when you notice something is
going on, they usually will stopforging.
Uh, they will just kind of standand stare.
And that's what she did.
I scooped her up.
I put her in the, she shed gaveher poultry cell, which is a
really great, um, boost.
Uh, vitamins gave her her ownlittle place to rest.
(07:44):
I noticed her calm was really,really changing, uh, in color
and the darkness of it.
And I went out and checked onher before bed and made sure she
was drinking and eating.
And she was, uh, drinking andeating just a tad.
She, she, okay.
And the next morning, the earlymorning I went to check on her
and she had passed away.
(08:05):
And, uh, there was nothing outof sorts.
She didn't have any signs ofSoro, any signs of like
diarrhea.
She didn't have anything.
She looked perfectly healthy,physically looking, and then she
was dead.
Now, now there are otherinstances when your chickens
die, they call it sudden deathsyndrome.
And this can be, you know, heartissues.
(08:28):
Uh, in this case, it may havebeen a heart issue.
I'm more leaning towards seafatty liver syndrome, but, uh, I
don't believe as anything cont,um, there was no sneezing, no
coughing, no drainage, nothingout of sorts.
She looked like a normal, justhappy little bird.
(08:50):
You just wanna keep your birdsat a healthy weight, uh, and
keep a check on the balancebetween carbs and added fat.
They did suggest that addingcarbs, extra carbs, like during
the winter time instead of extrafat, um, I don't know how that,
um, actually works out in reallife experience.
(09:14):
Uh, just know in general, youneed to keep your birds outta
healthy weight, keep an eye ontheir weight.
Um, we all know he loved to feed'em all those, uh, fating, uh,
scrubs and stuff.
Uh, the research did suggestmore of carbs instead of the
fats.
Now this is outside of theirnormal feet.
(09:35):
Your feed needs to be awell-balanced layer feed.
We're just talking treats here.
Okay.
And we all know that treatsshould be less than five to 10%
of your chicken's total volumeof feed.
So we're just talking aboutsnacks, not, not your feed here.
You wanna be certain that yourchickens have enough room in
their run to, you know, provide,uh, exercise, physical
(09:58):
activities.
You know, COVID Clockers has herlittle jungle gym over on her
page for her birds.
Just something to get themactive.
If you cannot, free-range themwatch this H five N one thread
is over the heifer farm will bereleased and we will be back to
our regular, just happy, happychickens.
(10:19):
Now, will that have any changein the bloodline of the old
English game?
BAMS?
I don't know.
I, I don't think so.
I think it's a genetic there.
Um, this is just in general foryour own birds exercise limit.
You know, those fats keep acheck on their weight, uh, make
sure they get plenty ofexercise.
(10:40):
I did read some experimentalthings that are going on.
You could add fish meal, youcould add selenium.
This is for like at risk groups.
This could be like my group.
Um, that is something that weare going to do.
We're gonna start adding, willthis stop any further, um,
losses from the syndrome?
(11:01):
I don't know, but we're gonnagive it a try.
We are going continue monitoringtheir weight, continue providing
them with good nutritious foodand keeping an eye on everyone,
making sure they're gettingadequate exercise.
I just think a lot of peoplehave not heard a lot of this
(11:21):
information, uh, in talks ingroups.
I think it's something that, uh,we just kind of wanted to share
with y'all great little tidbitsof information, because it is
one of the highest, uh, like Isaid, sudden, death of your
backyard hands, they are fine.
One day dead.
The next losing, uh, one of yourbirds is never easy.
(11:43):
And I know that most of ourlisteners, um, have been in this
same position.
Uh, you've either lost a dog or,um, you know, a cat or in this
case, a chicken that are arepets.
And we tend to get very, veryclose to them.
And when you've done all youcould, or you think you've done
(12:06):
all your goods, you keep themsafe.
Uh, something happens and theydo pass.
So I hope that you can glue someinformation off of this and that
Brittany, miss Brittany and missSassy's death can, um, bring
awareness and education tosomething that I don't really
see a lot talked about online.
Um, but if you have a bird thathas this diagnosed, or you have
(12:30):
lost a bird from this, we wouldlove to hear from you and hear
your story and to gather moreinformation.
Um, you can send us an email atWilma the wonder, hand.com.
You can message us.
Uh, you can send me a DM onInstagram or Facebook.
We would love to hear from you.
And until next time, bye y'all.
You got anything to say?
Miss pumpkin.
Okay.
(12:50):
She's laying at egg.
Y'all.
Bye y'all.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I'm Mel.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And you are listening to will
Speaker 2 (12:57):
The wonder hand.
Hey, y'all welcome back to another episode of Wilma
.
The wonder he podcast I'm Meland I am your host and creator
today.
We're gonna talk a little bitabout what happened to sassy,
which was my old English gamebird Banham Heon.
She was around six years old.
Uh, this is how happened toanother hand of mine.
(00:24):
If you remember miss Brittanyfrom last year, she was of the
same, uh, breed and out of thesame line.
And if you happen to hearwhining and screeching in the
background, do not worry, do notbe concerned.
That is miss pumpkin.
She is loud and she is proudtoday and she had some things
(00:48):
that she wanted to share.
Uh, on this episode, we, uh,will get back to her shortly.
Thank you, miss pumpkin.
Hey y'all I'm Mel and you arelistening to Wil at the wonder
hand, Are you a chicken mouthlove mama daddy together.
(01:11):
We'll dive into the latestpoultry keeping adventures.
Shout about everyday life.
We're the generous mix of somehilarious stories, Bringing you
fascinating interviews withpoultry owners from all over
you'll find tips and basicadvice from your local
veterinarian.
Along with new chicken, keepinggadgets and reviews.
(01:32):
I'm gonna see what Mr.
Jes and Wilma has to say aboutthat.
We're going to encourage andhelp you build a stronger,
healthier flop.
Let's go see what Mr.
Jes and Wilma is up to you.
Let's go let these heifers out.
If you've been around longenough, you, uh, remember back,
uh, last year, miss, uh,Brittany, she, um, took a turn
(01:55):
for the worst and within 24hours, uh, she had passed away.
We did an Aroy thatveterinarians report, uh, showed
that she did have fatty liversyndrome.
Uh, and this is what I believe,uh, sassy also passed from, I
don't have confirmation on thatyet, but that is what I'm going
with.
(02:15):
Yeah, she was in the samebloodline, uh, and she showed
exactly the same symptoms.
She had a very purple calm, uh,she went one minute from being
fine.
And then the morning, the nextmorning she had passed.
So let's kind of talk a littlebit about fatty liver syndrome.
Uh, I am not a veterinarian donot claim to be one.
(02:38):
This is just my personalexperience.
My communication with myveterinarian communication with
the state veterinarian andtopics that I have read online
through Merck vet, manual.comand other reputable, uh,
scientific, uh, notations.
This is also referred to asfatty liver hemorrhagic
(03:00):
syndrome, which will get into alittle bit more of that.
But it's basically a hemorrhageof the liver and each case can
have a different degree of, um,where the hand bleed out, uh,
there's different levels.
And that's a lot of scientificstuff that we probably won't go
over today.
We're just gonna give you thesynopsis, the basic layman
(03:23):
explain, explaining of, uh, whatgoes on inside of their body,
the causes of it, things thatare experimental right now, I
did read some cases that couldhelp prevent are lessen the
degree of a group, a flock thatmay have this within their
(03:44):
bloodline.
But like I said, this is alljust my knowledge that I've
gained from bits and pieces.
And like, I always say, do yourown research, you know, look at
the risk factors.
Um, so yeah, let's get into it.
Fatty liver syndrome is one ofthe top noninfectious, uh,
(04:05):
causes of death and backyard HESbecause, uh, the HNS liver will
have a yellow, fatty, mushyappearance to it, but not always
not in the Naroy that we haddone in miss Brittany.
She didn't all that fat depositson her liver, even though she
had a hemorrhage of her liver.
(04:27):
So not in every case, uh, whenyou're doing a crop.
So you're gonna find a big fatmuy liver on a hand that has
passed from this, everything Idid read, uh, it states its
primary lean Hins.
And this has to do with theestrogen and the egging
production.
Uh, this doesn't mean that itcan't happen in a male, but from
(04:49):
the material that I have read itis primarily, uh, female, and
they believe this to be truebecause the egg legging process
does stimulate estrogen, whichthen the estrogen stimulates
storing fat in the liver.
Uh, the material does state thatit usually occurs during
(05:11):
springtime.
This is when their egging is intheir highest peak, but the
majority of the material didstate that it has to do with the
improper G balance, uh, andoverweight.
He a hen taking in too muchenergy through, um, extra fat
(05:32):
confined birds, that lackexercise.
But like I said, that oldEnglish game, bird pin always
free ranged.
The only reason why they'reupright this moment is because
of the H five N one threat.
So everyone is on lockdown orlockdown.
And so, yeah, the, this basingit on my experience and talking
(05:53):
with our veterinarian, this ismore than likely a genetic issue
that is in that bloodline.
But you also have to remember,these are my older HNS and this
does occur in older HNS.
Um, miss Brittany was like Isaid, probably five, five or
six.
She was one of the originalones.
And then miss SASY and thatgroup would probably have miss
(06:17):
pumpkins, either mother or heraunties, at least.
So this is a concern of mine formiss pumpkin.
Uh, we will probably not bebreeding anymore of that
particular group.
Uh, that is the only group thatwe have had that has came back
that has had this, um, diagnosisof fatty liver syndrome.
(06:41):
And the symptoms of this isreally, uh, there really isn't
many symptoms prior to death.
Uh, it is quick in ourexperience and the things that
we have read, uh, your birds areusually found dead without any
clinical, uh, symptoms, uh, youknow, like withy crop, you, you
(07:02):
know, you have symptoms leadingup to that.
Or during that, you know, in eggbinding, you're also gonna have
symptoms and things leading upto that.
Uh, this is usually very, veryquick, um, as sassy was fine, uh
, probably an hour before Inoticed her, uh, she just
started to stand in one PA place.
And when I went back to check onher, she was kind of randomly
standing in another place.
(07:24):
Uh, you know, she wasn't activeand forging like those things
that we talk about, you know,when you notice something is
going on, they usually will stopforging.
Uh, they will just kind of standand stare.
And that's what she did.
I scooped her up.
I put her in the, she shed gaveher poultry cell, which is a
really great, um, boost.
Uh, vitamins gave her her ownlittle place to rest.
(07:44):
I noticed her calm was really,really changing, uh, in color
and the darkness of it.
And I went out and checked onher before bed and made sure she
was drinking and eating.
And she was, uh, drinking andeating just a tad.
She, she, okay.
And the next morning, the earlymorning I went to check on her
and she had passed away.
(08:05):
And, uh, there was nothing outof sorts.
She didn't have any signs ofSoro, any signs of like
diarrhea.
She didn't have anything.
She looked perfectly healthy,physically looking, and then she
was dead.
Now, now there are otherinstances when your chickens
die, they call it sudden deathsyndrome.
And this can be, you know, heartissues.
(08:28):
Uh, in this case, it may havebeen a heart issue.
I'm more leaning towards seafatty liver syndrome, but, uh, I
don't believe as anything cont,um, there was no sneezing, no
coughing, no drainage, nothingout of sorts.
She looked like a normal, justhappy little bird.
(08:50):
You just wanna keep your birdsat a healthy weight, uh, and
keep a check on the balancebetween carbs and added fat.
They did suggest that addingcarbs, extra carbs, like during
the winter time instead of extrafat, um, I don't know how that,
um, actually works out in reallife experience.
(09:14):
Uh, just know in general, youneed to keep your birds outta
healthy weight, keep an eye ontheir weight.
Um, we all know he loved to feed'em all those, uh, fating, uh,
scrubs and stuff.
Uh, the research did suggestmore of carbs instead of the
fats.
Now this is outside of theirnormal feet.
(09:35):
Your feed needs to be awell-balanced layer feed.
We're just talking treats here.
Okay.
And we all know that treatsshould be less than five to 10%
of your chicken's total volumeof feed.
So we're just talking aboutsnacks, not, not your feed here.
You wanna be certain that yourchickens have enough room in
their run to, you know, provide,uh, exercise, physical
(09:58):
activities.
You know, COVID Clockers has herlittle jungle gym over on her
page for her birds.
Just something to get themactive.
If you cannot, free-range themwatch this H five N one thread
is over the heifer farm will bereleased and we will be back to
our regular, just happy, happychickens.
(10:19):
Now, will that have any changein the bloodline of the old
English game?
BAMS?
I don't know.
I, I don't think so.
I think it's a genetic there.
Um, this is just in general foryour own birds exercise limit.
You know, those fats keep acheck on their weight, uh, make
sure they get plenty ofexercise.
(10:40):
I did read some experimentalthings that are going on.
You could add fish meal, youcould add selenium.
This is for like at risk groups.
This could be like my group.
Um, that is something that weare going to do.
We're gonna start adding, willthis stop any further, um,
losses from the syndrome?
(11:01):
I don't know, but we're gonnagive it a try.
We are going continue monitoringtheir weight, continue providing
them with good nutritious foodand keeping an eye on everyone,
making sure they're gettingadequate exercise.
I just think a lot of peoplehave not heard a lot of this
(11:21):
information, uh, in talks ingroups.
I think it's something that, uh,we just kind of wanted to share
with y'all great little tidbitsof information, because it is
one of the highest, uh, like Isaid, sudden, death of your
backyard hands, they are fine.
One day dead.
The next losing, uh, one of yourbirds is never easy.
(11:43):
And I know that most of ourlisteners, um, have been in this
same position.
Uh, you've either lost a dog or,um, you know, a cat or in this
case, a chicken that are arepets.
And we tend to get very, veryclose to them.
And when you've done all youcould, or you think you've done
(12:06):
all your goods, you keep themsafe.
Uh, something happens and theydo pass.
So I hope that you can glue someinformation off of this and that
Brittany, miss Brittany and missSassy's death can, um, bring
awareness and education tosomething that I don't really
see a lot talked about online.
Um, but if you have a bird thathas this diagnosed, or you have
(12:30):
lost a bird from this, we wouldlove to hear from you and hear
your story and to gather moreinformation.
Um, you can send us an email atWilma the wonder, hand.com.
You can message us.
Uh, you can send me a DM onInstagram or Facebook.
We would love to hear from you.
And until next time, bye y'all.
You got anything to say?
Miss pumpkin.
Okay.
(12:50):
She's laying at egg.
Y'all.
Bye y'all.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I'm Mel.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And you are listening to will
Speaker 2 (12:57):
The wonder hand.
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