October 29 Hour 1: Packers, Badger Mens Basketball and Badger Football

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A road-charged Packers win sparks hope in Green Bay as Jordan Love finds rhythm and the defense smothers third downs. We unpack Badger hoops’ exhibition loss to Oklahoma, then pivot to Badger football’s gritty performance at Oregon and what a youth movement could mean.

• Packers’ first-half issues and second-half surge
• Offensive line health and pass protection impact
• Special teams penalties and kicker questions
• LaFleur’s play-calling and early scripting
• Badger hoops shot variance and rim pressure
• Frontcourt versatility with Rapp and Winter
• Rotation hints and defensive communication
• Badger football effort, officiating swings, weather
• Young core steps up and QB path forward
• Development vs portal and NIL realities

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
This is Wisconsin Sports on the Go with Trade.
Your place for all thingsWisconsin Sports.
Now, your host, Trage.

SPEAKER_03 (00:18):
How are we doing, everybody?
And welcome into WisconsinSports on the Go with Trade.
I'm your host, Trage, as we comeback here on this Wednesday,
October 29th.
Goodness, we're already at theend of October, getting into
November.
Tons of stuff.
There is a boatload of things totap into tonight here on the
show.
But first and foremost, I hopeyou guys are enjoying your

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Wednesday so far.
I hope you guys are enjoyingyour night so far.
Maybe your ride home, whateverit is, coming home from work
tonight here.
You get to tune into the showhere.
Love to have you.
Make sure, if you want, to textinto the show.
Let me know your thoughts.
Wisconsin Sports, Badgersbasketball, men's basketball,
women's basketball.
We saw them in an exhibitiongame, football, packers.
We're going to talk Packers hereright off the bat.

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So we got Packer Talk to get totonight.
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Brewers, anything in between.
Hit me up.
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Text me your opinions, comments,anything like that.
I'd love to get you a shout-outhere on the show tonight.
We have tons of stuff to diveinto.

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It was a fantastic weekend formyself.
So hopefully you guys enjoyedyour weekend.
It was a fantastic weekend forme.
Like I said, Badger Hoops,Friday night exhibition game.
We're going to get to thatbadger football.
We're going to get to that gameagainst Oregon where it was it
was weird because they lost, butwe felt better, but we still
don't feel good.
So like we're kind of in thisweird zone right now with badger

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football.
We're going to get to that herewith Christian later on.
We got some brewer talk to getto later on here in the show.
Some uh Bucks Bucks talk withKyle later on in the show.
But right off the bat heretonight, I got my man over here.
Ummer is on tonight there withCoast to Coast Packers.
Ummer is here.
Ummer, how we doing Wednesday.
Right off the bat, I don't thinkI don't think I've had you right

(02:02):
off the bat ever on the showhere tonight.
So how are we doing on thisWednesday?
You get to be a part of the theintro right off the bat here.

SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
I'm great, man.
I'm great.
I'm not gonna lie.
The um it's a Wednesday is a uhwhimsical Wednesday, uh winning
Wednesday.
I'm hyped, man.

SPEAKER_03 (02:18):
We were we were pondering this before the show
started.
We were like what are we gonnasay?
It's uh it's a happy hump day.
That's what it is.
It's a happy hump day becausethe Packers won.

SPEAKER_01 (02:30):
That's all Drake has a show, and I'm just a guest,
man.
That's the way it is.
So, but no, it was it's it'sawesome.
I was um it was a real goodexperience.
I was actually at the game.
My uh cousins actually have clubseats, so we were able to really
enjoy the game.
30-yard line, was able to seemany of the scoring by the
Packers on this side.
So, all in all, absolutelyamazing experience.

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I think I must have met it, itwas so many Packer fans there.
It was crazy.
It was it was to the pointtowards a home game where
Rodgers even said that he hadused a silent count on offense
at home.
So I'm like, you know what?
As always, Packer fans, wealways show up.
Um, majority, if not all, theSteelers fans are pretty chill,
pretty cool.
Um, like I said, we had a reallygreat time, atmosphere was

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amazing.
First half was a little bit hereand there, a little bit up and
down, but then they came back inthe second half, and I hope that
if you remember in 2023 when thePackers played the Steelers, it
was right during this theSteelers game, where at the end
of the game, Lord like JordanLove really turned it on, and at
that point on, he kind of wenton this, he went on this like

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streak, right?
He didn't went on this like realcrazy heater.
I'm hoping that the same thingwill happen now because in that
second half he came on and hedidn't miss.
He went 20 completions in a row,and he looked like the Jordan
Love of 2023.
And man, if that guy's back withWatson coming back too, leave me

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so watch out.

SPEAKER_03 (03:59):
Yeah, no, I would agree, and I was just looking up
those stats or 289 in that gamethere back in 2023.
That was week 10.
That was a week 10 game thereagainst Pittsburgh in 2023.
And then, like you said, afterthat, it was the Chargers, it
was Detroit at Detroit onThanksgiving, it was the city
game after that.
So he went on that run afterthat and played pretty darn
good.
So, yeah, I mean it's it's itlooked like a fun game.

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It really did.
It looked like a fun game, andlike you said, and like Rogers
was saying everything like that.
The Packers fans, they traveledwell, and you could just hear
it.
You could hear it once thePackers got rolling, it was
like, wow.
I mean, in the first half, therewe can talk about it.
Let's jump right into it.
Let's jump right into thatPackers Steelers game.
The first half, oh boy, I waslike, uh, it's all going in the

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wrong direction.
Everything that can go wrong wasgoing wrong.
The D if you had to look at abright spot, I guess, for the
first half of the game, youwould say probably the defense,
right?
So, I mean, looking at thatfirst half, what were your what
were your bright spots when youwere watching it?
What were your bright spots thatyou took away from that?
You're like, ah, I liked what Isaw in that first half, and
we'll get to the second half,but let's look at that first

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half right off the bat.
I mean, things you like, thingsyou didn't like about that first
half start there for thePackers.

SPEAKER_01 (05:07):
It felt like Jordan was gaining enough protection.
I think that was one of thebiggest things we've noticed is
the offense line being healthy,and that this is a third game in
a row where they're prettyhealthy.
And he was gaining time to throwthe ball.
He was just like, he was stillable to kind of like, you know,
get his guys involved, but hewas just a hair off.
Some execution was a little off.
Defense did play well.

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They did hold him, even thoughthey had some penalties and they
had some some bogus calls.
Uh, all in all, the defensestill the Steven still played
well against a a quarterback whohas one of the fastest releases
in the game.
Even at I don't know, what isthat Bama now?
He's 83, so he's a he's twoyears younger than me.
So what he's 42?
Yeah, he's like yeah, he's 41.

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Uh going on 42?
Is that right?
Yeah.
Oh no, is he sounds of 41?

SPEAKER_03 (05:56):
41.

SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
41, yeah.
So he's 41, right?
Yeah, because I'm 43, so yeah,that makes sense.
And so for him to be able to,and like you know, Jordan
actually also has one of thefastest releases in the game,
too.
And the two of them were justgoing back and forth trying to
see how we can get the ball outquicker.
And for I mean, for all thethings that have are maybe going
wrong with the Steelers, theiroffense is still pretty good,
you know.
And having uh a physicalspecimen like DK Metcalf, I

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think Joe Warren is a is an RB1.
Uh Roman Wilson was reallycoming on to.
And you know, watching,unfortunately, I know Fairmouth
got banged up, but uh DarrellWashington is a is a as a
behemoth of man.
He's literally Marseille's lose2.0.
I think the way our defense wasable to still kind of stand up
against that offense was prettyimpressive.
To come out of that first halfwith only being down, I think

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was it was it nine?
No, yeah.
It was nine, right?
It was nine, it was seven, two,sixteen.
Um, so yeah, I was I wasimpressed about that.
And then if you want to starttalking about the negatives, let
me know.
But I want to hear what youthink about the positives.

SPEAKER_03 (06:53):
You know, you hit you hit most of the positives
there that I would have keepingJordan Love up, keeping him
clean.
We've talked about it all yearlong.
That's a huge thing for thisPackers team.
There, the positives, like yousaid, was the defense, the
defensive side of the football,controlling the run game uh for
the Steelers and kind of tryingto force them to pass the ball,
which is what they've tried todo with a lot of teams all
season.

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What they've had to do.
We heard everybody say to uswhen Kenny Clark was traded
away, oh, what are they gonna doin the run game?
Micah Parsons can't stop therun.
What are they gonna do in therun game?
They won't be able to stop it.
This run defense is really good.
The pass defense, not so much.
And I think that's where theykind of ran into that trouble in
the first half.
And the penalties, I don't, Idon't really the ones that hurt

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me are the special teamspenalties.
Yeah, every time every kickoff,there has to be a penalty.
It's like a holding every time.
It's like it's just like that'sjust gonna happen.
We might as well just start 10yards back from wherever you end
up.
Like, don't try to do anythinghere because you're just gonna
end up 10 yards back, likewhatever.
I mean, like, those are the onesthat I think hurt me the most
because you're you already Imean, a lot of these kickers are

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really good now at putting theball where they want to put it,
so you already had adisadvantage as a return man.
Now you gotta start 10 yardsback, it doesn't help out at
all.
The holding call, like the oneon the past inference calls, the
holding calls, whatever on likeuh Keyshawn Nixon had a couple
there.
I think it's it's okay.
Like, I'm not I'm not reallyoverly concerned with those.
I don't think those were liketerrible or anything like that.

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There was a couple where it wasjust you know prevent getting
burnt, which is okay becauseotherwise, you know, Rogers, you
know, this deep threat that theyhave, you'd have got toasted.
So, like, it's some of them areokay.
Like, those aren't the ones thatare back breaking to me in this
game.
I thought it was a special teamsone.
And again, to start the game, itwas a special teams penalty.
And you know, the slow start,and we can we can jump right to
the negatives.

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I guess this is my my negative.
Why why do we have all theseslow starts all the time?
And why why do we feel as if therun game just needs to get going
because it hasn't, and I thinkit will, I think it will
eventually.
I just don't think it's likewe've tried he tries to force
it.

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It sometimes it feels like aforce where you're trying, you
know, like Mike McCarthy used tobe fantastic for it, he would go
for it, and if it didn't work onthe first drive or second drive,
he was done with it.
He was shotgun, shotgun thewhole time.
Like, we're gonna but there wasso much shotgun in the first
half.
Yeah, why were we in shotgun thewhole time?
I don't like shotgun to beginwith, and you're running Jordan
Love and shotgun the entiretime.

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It's like play actions andafterthought, and we're running
shotgun the entire time, andthen in the second half, then
you make your adjustments.
Well, don't you strip the firsthow many plays of the game?
Like, don't you want to go intoa game and figure out what
works?
You shouldn't have to take awhole half of football to figure
it out because, like we saw lastyear in a Vikings game or a
Lions game, you go down by aboatload of points, and then in

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the second half you getadjustments, you get better, but
now you have to try and scrambleback.
Well, now your run game becomeseven more irrelevant because
you're behind, so you have tojust throw the football solely.
So I guess that I guess is mystill worry is that the slow
starts are still there for thisPackers team.
Now they were able to overcomeit, like we saw in this one.

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They were fantastic, but thosethat would be my worry, I guess.
My biggest concern, I guess,coming off of this first half.
Well, I mean, what what was yourbiggest concern?
What was your biggest, you know?
I don't know if you want to sayworry, but like your bad coming
off the first half because thesecond half there was a lot of
good.
I don't think there was much badin the second half.
So what was your bad coming offthis first half here?

SPEAKER_01 (10:22):
Brandon McMahon's.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (10:25):
If I mean I'm sorry, like the first one, I wanted to
see Narvic back.

SPEAKER_01 (10:29):
Yeah, the 57 yarder, I hey, he just missed it by not
having enough leg on it, butlike that one I didn't really I
didn't hate on him for.
But on that second one was a 44yarder and he he cuts it right.
I'm just like, yeah, where's herHarvest has?
Where's the how you say how'sLucas?
Where's my boy Lucas at?
Yeah, yeah, yep, yep.
Where's Lucas, man?
Because uh Lucas, he I mean, Iunderstand he was indoors, I get

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that, and you know, he nailedsome pretty good field goals in
those games, but at the end ofthe day, he just I don't know.
I I'm not giving up on McMahon'sbecause he was our savior last
year, but just is he is he stillhurt, right?
Yeah, he even said after thegame that they need to
reevaluate his uh his leg injurybecause maybe they rushed him
back too quickly or something,right?

(11:12):
Yeah, though he missed twoweeks.
Uh, I wasn't impressed withthat.
Um, I think there was somethingthat where I think Willie was
saying this today, where LaFleurtruly does believe in
establishing the run.
And he even said so much in thepostgame that he was trying
really hard to establish therun, but in the second half,
when he saw Jordan was on kindof gain on a heater, he just

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said the heck with it and hejust kept throwing the ball.
Yeah, right.
And people were trying to say,oh, you know, Jacobs didn't look
right or this and that, orwhatever.
I thought Jacobs looked fine.
I don't think like I think ifanything, um the offense line
didn't really do him muchfavors.
I thought Emmanuel Wilson lookedgreat.
I think he looked like a personof speed a lot.
I'm not trying to say that Iwant there's no competition here
because Jacobs is still the man,but like it's just something

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about Wilson has like a gearthat he hits and he's just gone
like right off the bat, youknow?
Yep, he gets to AllianceGroupage very quickly.
Yep.
But the things, yeah, thebiggest thing that got me was
I'm with you on that.
Like the slow starts, you knowwhat?
Like, I'm just talking this upto maybe like you know, our
preseason, September, Octoberpreseason, right?

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Maybe just trying to get thingsfigured out now that they
figured out that they can reallythey can they can actually open
up by throwing the ball and thenrunning the ball to close out
games, I think might be the wayto go, right?
They have a great test withCarolina coming to Green Bay
this week, and I think that's ateam that actually you can run
the ball on, but I think again,you just you you you let Jordan

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cook until you can't cookanymore.
I think people reallyunderestimate the value of
Christian Watson.
Oh and Golden's well had fourcatches for three yards, and I'm
just like, oh my gosh, like Iunderstand you have to find
better ways to scheme him, andSave Young got a touchdown,
which I thought was pretty cool.
Uh, I think it's kind ofannoying that Save Yon has a
touchdown before Golden, but youknow, okay, we'll leave that for

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another day, which is anotherthing that's kind of annoying,
right?
But uh again, offensively andspecial teams has been like one
of our cruxes in the first half.

SPEAKER_03 (13:10):
Yep, yep.
No, I agree, and you know thehard part's gonna be, and I saw
some people talk about Goldengetting upset after the game and
everything like that withcatches.
That's the hard part aboutplaying for this team, yeah.
Because you have Tucker Kraft,Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs,
Malik Keith, uh, Savion Williamsnow.
You have Luke Musgrave.
When Jaden Reed comes back, yougot him to deal with, and you
have yourself.

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So you have eight guys who arevery good pass catchers.

SPEAKER_01 (13:34):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (13:34):
That's a problem.
It's a problem if you are agreedy guy who wants all the
catches.
AJ Brown would not like playingin Green Bay.
And if you are a guy who draftsfantasy, unless you're taking
Tucker Kraft, I would not takeanother wide receiver on the
entire Green Bay Packers rosterbecause I cannot guarantee, they
can't guarantee, they're gonnahave a catch.
So, Matthew Golden, I hope thatall that hoopla about him

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deleting his Instagram accountand everything like that and
getting upset.
I hope that's nothing.
I really do.
I hope that's nothing with thefantastic player, and he just
needs to realize that in thisoffense, a lot of these guys are
gonna go away at some pointbecause they're not gonna be
able to afford to pay everybody.
But you have to remember in anoffense like this, if you want
to win, you gotta have a lot ofweapons, and they have a lot of

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weapons.
Remember back when they won theSuper Bowl with Aaron Rodgers,
you had Driver, you hadJennings, you had Jordy, you
had, you know, you had weapons,galore.
Brent Swain out there.
I mean, you have weapons, galorenow.
So, like you need to have themweapons, and you have them in
the backfield, like you'retalking with Emmanuel Wilson.
Big time Emmanuel Wilson is.
So, I mean, we got lots, we'regonna dive into some more

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Packers here, but Ummer, he hasto run.
He's got some crazy stuff goingon at home.
He's got to run here.
He's gonna come back in hournumber two.
We're gonna continue this Packertalk in hour number two.
So, Ummer, thank you for jumpingon real fast here to start out
the show.
Here, we're gonna come back fromthe break.
Christian's gonna stop by.
We're gonna talk some badgerhoops, we're gonna talk some
badger football.
Hour number one of two is justgetting rolling here.

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We'll be right back here afterthis.
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Christian, how are we doing?
It's Wednesday.
We're back.
Badger basketball's back in away right now.
Exhibition.
We're gonna talk about that.
Badger football looked okay.
How are you doing on thisWednesday?

SPEAKER_02 (16:00):
Not too bad.
How are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 (16:02):
Oh, I'm doing good.
I'm doing good here.
The bad like I said, BadgerBasketball looked, I mean, it's
exhibition.
Everybody's freaking out, so Iwant to talk about that.
And then Badger Football put upa fight, and that's interesting.
So we're gonna get to that inour next segment.
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As we do every single week, weaward our Casa M.
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One third down conversion in theentire game.
One third down conversion.
That's unreal.

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And I don't think they had onein the second half, if I'm not
mistaken.
One third down conversion, onefor 10.
That is nuts.
And I mean, the Steelers weremoving the ball early, but they
settled in.
They played well, they got thePackers.
They kept the Packers in thisgame because the offense started
out slow.
And then once the offensestarted cooking, they stayed
right there.
Michael Parsons, fantastic.
Rashawn Gary was huge onceagain.

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So I gotta give it to thePackers defense.
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SPEAKER_02 (17:11):
I feel like you gotta go Jordan Love, right?
I mean, in front of in front ofRogers.
Like had like literally one ofthe best games of his career.
He was what 20 passes in a row,he completed, tying Brett Favre
for the most all time in Packershistory.
Like, I'd say, I'd say he'searned it, right?
I was it was between him andTucker Kraft, but I think I'm

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gonna go with Love.

SPEAKER_03 (17:33):
Jordan Love on Sunday nights.
Apparently, he's been unreal onSunday nights.
I was just I was gonna see if Icould find the stats.
All time of him on Sunday night.
Oh, here we go.
Is this all all Sunday nightgames?
Passer rating of 100.
With is that just Sundaysthough?
I don't know.
Somebody, somebody out theretold me that he's unreal.

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I don't want to read some falsestats, so I'm not even gonna do
it.
I tried to look it up here realfast while you were talking, but
anyways, anyways, he's been onreal on Sunday nights, and he
was once again in the spotlight,like you said, against Aaron
Rodgers, and was fantastic.
So, and there's a lot of guys wecould have chosen.
I mean, Mason Posta for theBadgers was fantastic.
Atuka was fantastic for himthere.
I mean, there was there's a lotof guys to choose from, not

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Hunter Simmons.
I mean, if we had our worstplayer of the week, we could
probably go Hunter Simmons, buthey, he threw he threw a
touchdown pass.
Yeah, I know, and that'ssupposed to outweigh everything
else that I watched in that gamefor me.
Helps you forget a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 (18:30):
Yeah, at one point I think he was one for 13 for 12
yards.
I'm like, you have to have moreattempts than yards.

SPEAKER_03 (18:38):
It's like your defense is doing everything that
they can, and it just is it.
But we're gonna get to that.
We're gonna get to that uglyhere in a little bit.
We want to start right away withbadger hoops because the
badgers, since we talked last,this was on last Friday.
I think we said last Friday,didn't we?
That's where we came to theconsensus of last Friday there
with that game.

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Last Friday night at the Pfizer,the Badgers took on Oklahoma.
And a lot of people coming offthat game, it was an 84 to 83
loss for the Badgers.
They were down five at halftime,they went down in the second,
there's continued to trail inthe second half, ended up
actually coming back in thatgame, tying it, and then
Oklahoma was able to pull awayand win this one.
It was for me, it was anexhibition game.

(19:22):
That's that's plain and simple.
It was an exhibition game.
The Badgers didn't shoot itwell.
But I guess let's just starthere.
My one worry once again has gotto be the defense for the
Badgers.
It has got to be the defensebecause we saw this last year
where it just seemed like theyabandoned the defensive motto.
It was, oh, we can we can scorewith the best of them, we can

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put up 100, and it was all fineand dandy, but we were also
giving up 80, 90, you know, andthat's that's where I guess my
concern comes in with thisBadger team is is that they can
score.
I think this team can score withthe best of them.
I think the addition of AustinRapp, Nick Boyd, I think they're
gonna be able to score with thebest of them.
But can they win a game wherethey have to slow it down, where
they have to play defense?

(20:02):
Can they win one of those gamesbecause shots aren't falling?
In this game, I just the shotsweren't falling and they
couldn't get stops.
And that's where the lead kindof ballooned.
They had to work their way back,they had to try to grind this
game out and weren't able to doit.
So I guess is that a concernthat you have coming off this
game?
Is that the defense?
We still haven't seen theimprovement.
Yes, it's exhibition, so youdon't know if you're getting,

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you know, the full force ofeverything, but you also want to
see improvement.
And I still think that they havesome issues with communication
and uh some kind of help.
The help side is kind of stillin flux for me.
So I guess when you're watchingthis Badger game, what did you
see defensively for them?

SPEAKER_02 (20:40):
I mean, yeah, I guess I'm going on that.
I guess the defense is a littlebit of a concern, but again,
that's like the evolution of theteam, right?
Um they don't run the swingoffense anymore.
They don't, you know, wait untilthe last second of the shot
clock to shoot and then playreally good defense on the other
end of the floor.
It's let's get some possessions,let's get some shots up, let's,

(21:00):
you know, get the mostefficient.
What is the most efficient shot?
Is you know from three.
Um but on like the defensiveside of the, you know, I it's
still like this, I think this isgonna be the new the new normal
with the transfer porter and NILand all that stuff.
Like I'm trying to count here.
They got one, two, three, four,five, six, seven, seven of the
twelve guys that played.

(21:22):
And oh, seven of the ten guysthat played, I think.
I think it's only Blackwell,Winter, and Chanicki.
Otherwise, everyone else on theteam is new.
Like, so they still they gottafigure out how to play with each
other still.
Like, um, and a bunch of morefreshmen.
You got Garlock, uh, HaydenJones.
Oh boy, do I really want to uhbe a Lauskist?
I think I got it.
Be a Loskis.

(21:42):
Oh, that was there, that wasthere.
There's there's a lot offreshmen.
Like, yep.
So I mean there's it's gonnatake, I think, some time for
them to kind of get used tothat.
Um and like kind of like what wetalked about last time now that
Brad Davidson's there, maybethat'll maybe that'll help a
little bit, you know.
Um I think just with some timeit'll improve, but again, it's
just a it's an exhibition, youknow, and technically it was I
don't even know if you can countthis as a home game because it

(22:05):
wasn't at the coal center, but Iknow I saw somewhere they said
it was like super eerily quiet,like most of the game and stuff.
So I mean I don't know.
I feel like that's hard to playin front of that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (22:15):
So I heard it was hard to get tickets, dude.
I heard it was hard to gettickets, like expensive.

SPEAKER_02 (22:20):
Was it really?
That's what I heard, was that itwas expensive and watched it.
It looked like there was a lotof just empty seats there.

SPEAKER_03 (22:26):
Yes, yes, that's what I heard it was expensive to
get in there, which is crazythat you would it's an
exhibition game, so I can'tbelieve it's a bad boy mowers
sponsored.
It's it's the bad boy mowers,you know it's gonna get intense.

SPEAKER_02 (22:39):
So I think I don't know, I think that I would love
to see them, you know, eightgames in this season once again
the conference play.
I think then it'll it'll be alot closer to what we would like
to see rather than what we seein an exhibition game.
And now they have another theyhave another one on was it this
Friday?
Thursday, something like thisRiver Falls.

(22:59):
There's a no playable, Ibelieve.
Yeah, yeah.
I think it's playable.
Yeah, Guards Brothers coming totown.
So they'll get another tune-upgame and then they open up the
season next Monday on uh againstagainst Campbell.
So I mean they should have youknow another tune-up game, you
know, like they'll get there.
But I think just all the new allthe new pieces and stuff, I

(23:22):
think it's just gonna take sometime.

SPEAKER_03 (23:23):
Yeah, and it definitely improved first half
to second half.
And and it does go to show thatOklahoma was hitting shots in
the first half.
I mean, look at the stats 62%from the field and 66% from
downtown.
They are eight for 12 from threein the first half.
Then you put that intocomparison to what the badgers
were doing in the first half,three for 14.
Well, there's your disparityright there.
The badgers weren't able to findit from the arc, and that's
where they they started tosettle.

(23:44):
And I guess that would be myworry if you look offensively,
is we saw with this badger team.
We've seen it last season, maybeeven a little bit the year
before, is that the insidepresence, and I think they have
it now.
I just think sometimes they goaway from it.
They Austin Raps sometimes likesto work his way from away from
the basket.
Same with a guy like NolanWinter, where you want them to
stay down on the block, getsomething going, get something

(24:05):
going to the rim.
And I thought they did thatbetter in the second half, and I
thought that was a lot ofthere's two guys that I credit
with that.
John Blackwell, it always seemslike when the Badgers are
struggling, and this is JohnBlackwell's career with the
badgers, but when they'restruggling, he always seems to
find an offensive rebound and aputback.
Yep.
He seems to get dirty on theglass when he knows they need a
bucket and they need a quick,they need something, and he

(24:27):
always gets dirty on the glass.
Him and then Nick Boyd.
I thought Nick Boyd wasfantastic getting downhill in
the second half.
First half, and I think he had acouple, he he goes at a million
miles per hour.
And it's great, but it also getshim into trouble because he gets
out ahead of himself at times,but he can also blow past the
guy.
And in the second half, Ithought he kind of settled in.
He got he was pumping up thecrowd, he was trying to get

(24:48):
everybody involved in it.
But Nick Boyd and I thought JohnBlackwell in that second half
were big reasons why the Badgerscame back because they started
to attack the rim, which issomething that I think this team
needs to do.
What did you like offensivelyfrom this team, especially in
that second half where we sawhim?
It was a lot better than thatsecond half.
But in total, what did you likeoffensively about this team?

SPEAKER_02 (25:06):
I think I like the aggressiveness.
Um, like you said, Boyd's gonnabe one of those guards that's,
and we already know what we havein John Blackwell, right?
Get to the rim, get to the rim,get to the rim, right?
And I think Boyd's a like a lotlike that too.
Um I would love to see, like yousaid, I'd love to see Winter and
Ramp and be a little Bielowskiactually get down low.

(25:27):
That was one of the things I waskind of looking for before the
game started.
I'm like, I would love to see ushave that physical presence down
in the paint again.
I know I know we are an offensethat you know would love to
shoot threes all day long if wecould, but I mean when we have
games like this and we're nothitting threes, we've gotta be
able to get down and score, youknow, get some easier shots,
right?
Um, we had 14 offensive reboundsand only like 19 defensive

(25:51):
rebounds in the MC.
Like almost, you know, that's alot of offensive rebounds in the
second half turning a lot we hadfor second chance points, but
just oh 14 second-chance pointstoo.
So I mean that's definitelysomething you like to see too,
because this isn't like anexhibition against you know a
Yack Division III Yack team.
Like this is Oklahoma, SECschool.
So if they're doing that withOklahoma, I mean hopefully we

(26:13):
see a lot more of that thisyear, too.
So maybe if the threes aren'tfalling, at least we got guys
crashing the boards and youknow, getting some second chance
points.
So I liked that.

SPEAKER_03 (26:21):
But yeah, no, this is a very this is a good team in
Oklahoma, like you were sayingthere.
It's a good team.
Like Nigel Pack coming over,he's fantastic.
They have a couple good DarienReed was hitting shots.
Uh, there was a couple otherguys that I was gonna touch on,
but they they slipped my mind.
I think Forsyth had a good gamethere.
There's a couple different guysfor this team that I mean
they're they're a well-roundedteam that I think is going to
compete in the SEC.

(26:42):
So a lot of people coming awayfrom this game saying, Oh my
goodness, the badges lost byone.
How is that even possible?
It's an exhibition game.
Remember that.

SPEAKER_02 (26:50):
I think everyone's freaking out because the
Oklahoma's not ranked.

unknown (26:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (26:54):
You know what I mean?
We're 24th, but they're notranked, so we should be if like
Purdue was is ranked first, andthey just lost to Kentucky,
who's like ninth.
And Kentucky didn't have theirgood players.
Wow, who was not playing?
They are like their two topplayers.
I thought I thought I saw liketwo of their top players.
So like it's an exhibition game.
Like, who knows what guardsdoing?
The dude's a man mad scientist.
He's just pretty I don't know.

(27:15):
I think he's still trying tofigure lineups out and rotations
and stuff.
Like, I don't know.
Yeah.
Like, we're not gonna go what 40and oh.
Like there's we're gonna havelosses, we're gonna whatever,
but like, I don't know.
A one-point loss to Oklahoma inan exhibition game isn't isn't
really a red flag or veryconcerning to me.

SPEAKER_03 (27:33):
No, and you you like the way that they battled back,
they went into the half, and itwas all seamen going the
opposite direction from them,and they came back in that
second half, they battleddefensively, got after it, got
some turnovers, and late in thatgame, they had some turnovers
that made that.
I think they went down.
I can't remember off the top ofmy head, but I think it was like
a 12-point game.
It was like 11 or 12.
It got to a pretty ballooned toa pretty big lead there for

(27:53):
Oklahoma, and the Badgersbattled back, they got some
turnovers, they had some bigbuckets.
I thought a guy, I love theconfidence of a guy like Austin
Rapp.
Oh my goodness.
I I love the confidence.
He had that late one where heknocked down that three to tie
it at 78, and he didn't doanything, but he he just stepped
into it.
He didn't think about it, youknow.
With Steven Crow, I thought thebiggest problem with Steven Crow

(28:14):
was at times he just thoughtabout it too much.

SPEAKER_02 (28:16):
He'd catch it and it's like everyone, everyone's
saged way off of him, and he'slike, Do I shoot it?
Don't I shoot it?
Yes, yes, and then he clangs itright off the back of the rim.

SPEAKER_03 (28:24):
And I just every time, and I just think with a
guy like Austin Rapp, thatconfidence, and he can get the
thing with him and winter, andthis is where if winter winter
had a rough game, everybody'sworried about that.
Winter's gonna be fine.
Well, the thing with him andwinter is that they have the
ability to go three levels.
We talked about this last week,a little bit there too.
Watching in this game, they havethe ability not just to hit that
mid-range shot.

(28:45):
They had, I mean, they weredoing some pick and roll with
those two, they were doing a lotof different actions with Winter
and Rap involved in it, and theyhave that athleticism now with
rap where he can drive, he canget you off the bounce.
Whereas Steve, he could try, hewas just a little bit slower
getting to the rim.
Rap's a little bit quicker, hecan get downhill, he can also
pull down you.
There's a lot of talent there inthat front court.

(29:06):
I thought Roy uh Roadie, Ididn't think he had a terrible
game.
A lot of people thought he had aterrible game.
I thought he was okay.
He's a good passer.
Like watching him, he's afantastic passer.
I thought he got a little aheadof his skis at times.
He was trying to force things,which I think they had a lot of
in this game, where they weretrying to force some passes that
weren't there.
I thought that's where they gotthemselves into trouble.

(29:26):
But all in all, I thought thefront court played decent, and I
was surprised.
Uh, Alexis Bielakowskis was thefirst one off the bench for the
Badgers.
I was surprised that they lovehim, and he's a solid dude.
And Will Garlic, I was yellingat my TV screen because he's
he's got this little guard onhim, and it's like, get back in

(29:47):
the post.
He he keeps coming out trying toset ball screens.
And I'm like, if I'm Nick Boydor somebody else, you gotta be
for general.
Get down there.
You have the mismatch, get away.
I don't want these guys toswitch, I want you to stay down
there.
I thought there were momentslike that where the Could take
advantage, and I still thinkthey can, especially having guys
like Winter and Rap who can beatguys off the bounds.
It's gonna be hard for teams todo rotations, like trying to

(30:08):
rotate on guys because they'regonna run into those kind of
issues, matchup nightmares thatthey don't want to deal with.
Because John Blackwell, he'sgood in the mid-range, too.
So there's a lot of weaponrythat I think this team has that
we didn't get to see in thisgame because I thought they were
just cold and and they werecold.
They were still like you said,trying to find their footing
together.
It's a new team, you know,everything.
A lot of these guys knewtogether, so you have that to

(30:31):
deal with.
I mean, all in all, let's justkind of put a bow on what we saw
here.
Fine, this just your finalimpressions of what you saw from
this exhibition game as we moveforward.
I mean, we're talking next week,we're already talking Badger
basketball being back againstCampbell because that's what
November 3rd.
Oh my goodness, we're already atthe we're at the end of October
already.
Isn't that wild?

(30:51):
I know.
Oh my goodness, Chris.
Time flies, man.
Holy cats, we're at the end ofNovember 3rd.
So next Monday, the Badgers willbe opening up against Gamble.
So that's I mean, wild to thinkabout that next Monday we're
gonna have college basketballback.
But by anyways, anyways, finalbow on it.
Wrap it up.
What were your final impressionson that badger game?
Just give me your quick hitters.

SPEAKER_02 (31:09):
I mean, number one, I'm just happy Badger
basketball's back.
Number two, take it with a grainof salt.
It's a it's a scrimmage, it's anexhibition game, whatever.
I think I think they are goingto be just fine.
I think they have depth, andthat's what I like.
Well, he played what 10 deeptoday?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they played 10 deep, andlike I mean Will Garlic and
Hayden Jones are the two.

(31:30):
I'm kind of like, uh, but that'sbecause they're true freshmen,
right?
Um, but like Bielowskis and likeJack Janicki and Braden
Carrington, like I don't know.
They look good to me.
I think like they know it'slooks like a team that has
players that know their role.
And I think we'll just hit someshots and we'll be fine, right?
Like Nick Boyd came in to scorethe ball.
He he went six of 17.

(31:52):
Like, is he?
I don't think he's gonna be thatcold every game, right?
So I don't know.
I think they'll be I think we'llbe fine.
I think we're gonna be rightthere in the mix for the Big Ten
regular season, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_03 (32:05):
I am 100% with you.
This is a really good badgerteam that just needs to settle
into its offense.
They need to find an identity onthe defensive end.
I still think they need to findthat toughness that we've talked
about for a couple years now.
I think they need to find thattough, that grit.
I think that's something that'sgonna come with time.
I love seeing Brad Davidson onthe bench.
You can see him getting a littlefired up there with the refs and
everything like that.
I love that.
I love that energy that I feellike he's gonna bring from a

(32:26):
coaching aspect on this team.
I think John Blackwell and NickBoyd are gonna be a really fun
backcourt.
I think it's gonna be one of thebest backcourts in the Big Ten,
if you ask me.
The energy that Boyd brings islike a Brad Davidson, is like a
Max Clesmont.
I think he's going to bring thatjuice to this team that they've
been lacking because you saw itwith him trying to pump up what
crowd was there.

(32:47):
He was trying to pump them up.
And it was, you know, it waslike, oh well, there's not much
there to chill.
But they were getting, I mean,the crowd was getting after
them.
They loved it.
Nick Boyd loved it, so I love tosee that.
Uh, Carrington, I think he'sgonna be big time.
I think Braden Carrington isgonna be your Kamari McGee from
last year.
He's gonna be a defensive guy,he's gonna get after it, he's
gonna be able to bang somethrees for you, but he's gonna
be a hustle guy, and that's howhe's gonna earn his minutes.

(33:08):
And I love that.
I love how this team battles,and I love I loved how they
battled in an exhibition game.
They were ticked.
When you watched him at the endthere, Nick Boyd looked ticked
off that they were losing thatgame.
John Blackwell looked ticked offthat they were losing that game.
You I I love that in a teambecause they're telling me in a
game that doesn't really matterfor anything, they're irritated

(33:31):
that this is what's going on andthey're losing.
I love that because that tellsme this team is gonna have some
drive when they come back hereagainst uh Plattville, and then
when they take on Campbell,they're gonna have that drive to
just go bury some teams untilthey go play.
I mean, they got some big dogson the schedule.
I'm pretty sure they're gonna beable to do that.

SPEAKER_02 (33:47):
Oh, yeah, that's by design too, right?

SPEAKER_03 (33:49):
They could BYU with one of the best recruits in the
entire country.
They're gonna have Villanova onthere who's up and coming with
Willard there.

SPEAKER_02 (33:55):
Uh, I know they have Marquette, Providence, oh
Providence, and then if they winthat, they can play.

SPEAKER_03 (34:00):
Potentially Florida.
Yeah.
So I mean, they have some bigdogs on the schedule there.
So it's gonna be a very goodseason.

SPEAKER_02 (34:05):
And then and then you get the Big Ten.
So it's I mean, that's thething.
I don't don't expect this teamto stay in the top 25 all year.
Don't expect this team to be atop 15 team consistently.
I mean, if they are awesome, butlike their schedule's brutal.
I mean, that's a good thing.
I think they're gonna obviouslygonna play well enough to get
into the Big Ten or into theNCAA tournament, but I mean,

(34:25):
what that's they'll be battletested, you know.
They'll you know, you know,they'll have plenty of
experience playing tough teams,and I think sometimes that's
maybe has been a problem forthem because like they have you
know enter the into the uh NCAAtournament, and then all of a
sudden they start playing likethese higher-end teams, these
quadrant one teams.
Not that they don't in the BigTen, but like their
non-conference schedule usuallyoutside of Mark 10 isn't like

(34:47):
amazing.
So I mean, guarded that was thatwas by design, and guarded
purposely did this to help inthe postseason.

SPEAKER_03 (34:54):
Yep, and you love that.
You love that your coach istrying to get out there, trying
to get some good teams on thedocket and trying to get some
good trying to resume boosters,right?
Hopefully, when you head towardsMarch.
So, yeah, exactly.
You go you love resume boosters.
I think there's gonna be somebig ones on here, and I love to
see it there.
So we're gonna come back.
We got some badger football talkas we wrap up our number one.
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(36:45):
They actually played close.
21.
Yeah.
Which here's my question.
Here's gotta be my question foryou.
Why does this team show up whenthey play a team like Oregon and
they can hold a team like Oregonto 21 points in in Eugene, not

(37:06):
like it's in Camp Randall again.
This is on the road to 21points.
But when they play Iowa at CampRandall, under the lights, on
homecoming, a game that youprepared for for a year, you get
trounced 37 to nothing.
Explain that one to me becauseIowa run, they like to run the

(37:26):
ball, and the run defense isgood.
The quarterback play for thebadgers stinks, but they throw a
lot of interceptions againstIowa, give them good field
position.
Like what happened?
What is going on with thisbadger team?
We get this kind of play on theroad at Oregon, but we get that
kind of play at home at CampRandall.

SPEAKER_02 (37:43):
I don't know.
It's unexplainable.
It's in an I don't I don't know.
It blows my mind.
I mean, I think you'd like tosay that the Iowa game, Iowa's
relatively one-dimensional, too.
All they couldn't do is run, butthey ran all over us.
But I think the weatherdefinitely played a role in the
Oregon game, too.
I don't think they could passthe ball.
No one could.

(38:04):
And it made our already terriblepassing even worse.
So I mean, I think that helps.
But I mean, then we held them, Ithink, at one point in the first
quarter.
They had like negative 16rushing yards if you include all
the sacks and stuff.
But I think they ended up theyended up kind of going off,
didn't they?
What have they?
I think they had two runningbacks both over a hundred yards
against us by the end of theyear.

SPEAKER_03 (38:24):
Yeah, Davidson for sure had 102.

SPEAKER_02 (38:27):
But they only threw for 132 yards.
Which that's very unlike anOregon team, and it was a 68%
completion percentage.
So, I mean, I think I think theweather and like all how wet it
was, and I think that was a bigpart of it.
But and but I will say one ofthose completions they had was
garbage, and Emilio Guard shouldhave had that pick on that one,
it just fell right into that.

(38:48):
Oh my god.
That when I watched it, no, itis not your year.

SPEAKER_03 (38:51):
Yes, that's when you're when I watched that, and
then the calls.
When I watched the refing callsin this game, oh my god, where
they had to review clear firstdowns.
Like, I don't even understandthese first downs that they're
reviewing.
They get it by like two yards,and then they'd go, Oh, we gotta
go to the booth to check thisone out.
Then we gotta go to the booth.
It's like you're just telling mewhat's happening, and then there

(39:11):
was that call.
Oh, who was it?
It was uh a late hit on alineman for Oregon.

SPEAKER_02 (39:16):
Oh, on Oregon, and they called it on Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_03 (39:18):
And they call it on Wisconsin and just watching Luke
Fickle's like, What?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, what?
I got nobody on the field.

SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
That's like that's gonna be a meme.
I think I already saw a meme onthere.
I think that's how scary Alvarezposted that on Twitter, and I
was just like Fickle's likebewildered face.
He couldn't believe it.
It was about something.

SPEAKER_03 (39:34):
That's the season.
That's the season in a nutshell,right there.
We're getting penalties calledon us.
We don't have guys like that onthe field right now.

SPEAKER_02 (39:40):
We don't even have a 72 on the roster.

SPEAKER_03 (39:42):
We don't even have 72 on the roster.
We're getting penalties calledon him.
But it's it's crazy because wewent into this and we're like,
this team seems like they likequit on him at times, right?
We we thought, you know, youcome off a game 37-0.
It's Iowa and it feels like theteam quit on him because you
don't you get your butt kickedlike that, it just feels like
they're quitting.
And then you go to on the roadto uh Oregon and you watch Mason

(40:02):
or you watch Post out there andyou watch Catalano out there,
and you watch Agar out there,and I mean Allegro last week,
where he broke his arm, cameback out, it still hurt, he got
to cast it even more, and thencame back out again and finished
a game that they were gettingtheir butts kicked in.
I mean, you can team like this.
Atuka, the way that he are uhhowever he's a tuka, right?
That's how you say his name.

SPEAKER_02 (40:22):
Give me a tuka, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (40:23):
There you go, a tuka.
I figured I'd say I figuredafter I heard it enough, I'd say
it right, and there we go.
So, but the way that he wasrunning the football, I mean, he
ran the football better thananybody else who's ran the
football all season long, justrunning hard, getting after it.
The offensive line lookedfantastic, getting after it in
this one.
This is all the backups, no rentfor all.
Maulman, he's Maulman still, Idon't know what's going on with
him, but Heinzen out, and I meanyou have Kadonko's out, you have

(40:45):
all these guys out, and youlooked better, but your
quarterback looks terrible,which begs the question.
I don't know how Danny O'Nealcould possibly be worse than
what we saw in Hunter Simmons.
But, anyways, this team doesn'tfeel like they're quitting on
Luke Fickle, actually, theopposite.
Posa, when you listen to himtalk, he's like, I'm coming

(41:08):
back.
And you listen to these guystalk about him.
And it's almost like the lockerroom's still behind.
The fans aren't.
I can tell you that much.
Fans aren't behind Luke Fickle.
But it feels like the playersare.
It really does.
Like the more and more that Ilisten to these guys and see
these guys and hear about theseguys talking and watch them
play, it feels like there's moreguys behind Luke Fickle than

(41:29):
not.
I mean, I don't know.
Am I crazy?
Am I crazy for thinking that?

SPEAKER_02 (41:33):
No, it's that's absolutely I mean, what was it?
I mean, before this game, theywere talking about they had a
players meeting or you know,whatever with the with uh Chris
Macintosh and stuff.
And afterwards, uh man, I don'tknow what it is.
Renfro, they don't had my clientblinking on his name, came out
and like they were interviewinghim and asking him stuff, and he
goes, Oh yeah, like and theysaid you know, they basically I

(41:54):
don't know if they explicitlysaid or not, but basically
implied that Fickel wasn't goinganywhere.
He said everyone everyone waslike excited and chanting and
hooting and hollering in thelocker room.
Like that's they clearly likehim.
They all everyone committed tohim.
They like, I don't know, it'sjust I don't know.
Yeah, clearly they don't thinkit's them.
I think they probably think it'syou know they're not playing
well enough, or you know, just Idon't know what it is, but they

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obviously they believe in him.

SPEAKER_03 (42:18):
And I keep circling back to this quarterback thing.
I really do.
I keep circling back to thisquarterback thing, questioning
if okay, if if Tanner Mordecaistays healthy, if Tyler Van Dyke
stays healthy and we can avoidBraden Locke.
And now we have a guy right nowwho's worse than Brayden Locke.

SPEAKER_02 (42:34):
I don't, I don't know, so I just uh I don't know
if Tyler Van Dyke's any betterthan Brayden.
Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 (42:39):
You're a Tyler Van Dyke hater.
I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_02 (42:41):
That's much a hater, but like when I went to a field
of practice, I'm like Woody havebeen better than Brayden Locke,
though.

SPEAKER_03 (42:48):
Yes, yeah, see, so maybe something.

SPEAKER_02 (42:51):
So does a does a Tyler Van Dyke beat Oregon last
year?
I would say so, probably, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (42:55):
But I mean even a Penn State game without that
back breaking interception.

SPEAKER_02 (43:00):
I don't think he helps us against Iowa, though.

SPEAKER_03 (43:02):
No, no, but well, but yeah, you're the running
quarterback aspect, I think, issomething that even a game like
this against Oregon, I don'tknow why you don't throw Danny
O'Neill out there because he'she's just he runs the ball well.
So, like in a game like this, Ithought you could have you don't
need to sling the ball withHunter Simmons.
Can't throw.
I don't know if they're tryingto get better throwing the ball
by Hunter Simmons being outthere.

SPEAKER_02 (43:21):
It's not better, but he can't throw either.
I I don't know what it is.
I'm fully on board with like Ithink O'Neill, just based on
absolutely nothing, just mythoughts on about why he
wouldn't be going out.
I think he's just like kind offeels to me like he's like
telling Fickle, no, I'm notgoing out because I want to keep
my eligibility.
I think that's what it is.

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Same with Billy Edwards.
Yeah.
So I think there's like, okay, Iguess we literally have Hunter
Simmons or Milosh, whatever hislast, yeah, I can't say his last
name, but like Milosh, right?
Like, yeah, and they're not, Ithink they're gonna again based
on absolutely nothing, but justthey're trying to play the young
guys, and I think they what isit?
You can play four games beforeyou're burned out of the game.

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Four games.

SPEAKER_03 (44:02):
So I think Carter Smith's.

SPEAKER_02 (44:06):
Like, this is perfect.
Like he can they'll give him twoweeks to prepare for Washington
for him to be the guy, and Ithink then he'll come back next
year.
Red shirt freshman, he hasanother year of eligibility,
he's got four games of Big Tenplay under his belt.
We don't have to see HunterSimmons anymore, and they don't
have to worry about DannyO'Neill, they don't have to
worry about you know BillyEdwards, like, okay, you guys

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can keep your red shirts, youcan get out of here, whatever.
You're we don't need you.
It's this is Carter Simmons shownow.
I think it was and I thinkplaying Cooper Catalano and
Mason Post a like add likestarting in middle linebacker at
linebacker in this game was likea very clear indication of they
wanted okay, season's done,season's lost, it is what it is.

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Let's see what we have in theyoung guys.
And I think again, Post hasshowed out, Catalano showed out,
they they looked good.
And I mean, I don't know, I'mtrying to figure out who else
played.
I mean, obviously Gideon Tuca,but he was more out of necessity
because Dylan Jones and uhDarien Dupree are hurt, and
Yacamelli now, and Yaccomelligot hurt too, so I get you don't

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have a heavy, heavy dose of aTuca, right?
Um, but I think then we even sawuh Eugene Hilton, he had that
nice catch that I still thinkshould have been a touchdown.
They got a touchdown, yeah.
That was a touchdown.
So he should have had one catchfor 43 yards and a touchdown
instead of one catch for 42yards down to the one yard line.
But I mean, he only got onetarget by Tretch.
I think he's still young.

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Maybe he comes back next year,especially if he like thinks
hey, uh Carter Smith's actuallygood.
Yeah, you know, but I feel likeif he doesn't have quad faith, I
could see him taking off too.
But again, that's based onabsolutely no knowledge of any
situation.
That's just complete opinion.

SPEAKER_03 (45:43):
Yep, yep, yep.
No, I I would agree 100%.
I, you know, though, like I saidbefore with the quarterback
room, I just feel like they theykeep trying to reach for these
quarterbacks, right?
You had Tanner Mordecai, you'relike, oh, we're bringing in this
guy who's had 7,000 yards incollege.
Oh my goodness.
And then you bring in this guyand Tyler Van Dyke, and you're
like, oh, he played in Miami, heplayed in the air, right?
It's just gonna match up.

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One really good year.
Yeah, he had that one good year,so now it's just really gonna
match up.
I honestly think the best move,the best move for this team
right now is like we weretalking last week.
And if you guys missed thatshow, make sure you listen back
because we talked about thestate of program, everything
like that.
Listen back, Wisconsin Sportsand the Go with Trade John,
everywhere you get podcasts.
But we I we mentioned it there.
Building this team up from theyouth, right?

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Getting guys that you want to,you know, grow with and bringing
in those, not the I don't wantto say like bring in the
one-star guys or anything crazylike that, but bring in the guys
that you can develop.
And that's where we're seeingwith a guy like Posa, Catalano,
but with a card.

SPEAKER_02 (46:39):
Guys that want to be there.

SPEAKER_03 (46:40):
Yes, bring in a quarterback that you can develop
in your system, your system now,where you can develop that guy,
not a guy that you're justswinging into a system in an
offseason.
Let these guys grow together.
I know it's a crazy pipe dream,but it's still a real thing.
It's still a real thing, and Ithink you can do it.
That's what Dan Lanning doeswith Oregon.
He has dipped into the transferportal a little bit, trying to

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bring in some because you haveto.
I mean, to compete in today'sday and age, you have to.
But he also doesn't lean awayfrom recruiting.
And I think Luke Fickle and thisbadger team has gotten too far
away from the recruiting sideand the developmental side,
where we don't even see guysdevelop because they leave or
they're already seniors,juniors, or seniors, they're out
the door already, basically.

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Gets guys into your because now,honestly, in this game, we saw
the recruits, and the recruitslook good.
The recruits, they feel good,they look good.
Maybe it's a sign of somedecent.
I I don't want to, I can'tbelieve I'm like trying to make
myself.

SPEAKER_02 (47:37):
You're you're coming around on pickle, aren't you?

SPEAKER_03 (47:39):
Yeah, I don't know if I'm trying to really.
I I don't I don't think he's thegreatest coach in the world, but
I think right now, what we sawthis last week with the young
guys, I like the young guys.
I do.
I I think Trestle, I I don'tknow if I really like Trestle's
defense at times, but honestly,Trestle's defense is about the

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only thing that's been a brightspot in games for the past like
three years.
So Trestle might be the only onethat might be safe for me.
Jeff Grimes, I I don't know whathe's trying to run out there on
offense right now.
I don't know if Jeff Grimes iseven the right fit for this
offensive, uh, what they want todo on offense, but also he was
tossed into it a little bitlate.
I don't think they got the guysin that he even wanted in this
offensive team.

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So maybe it's an offseason wherenow you have Carter Smith, like
you said, play him in the lastfour, see what he can do, work
with that kind of thing.
I I I kind of like the look ofwhat this team could be moving
forward, as long as these youngguys stick around, which
listening to Mason Posa, he saysthey're staying.
So, I mean, yeah, they're therefor good.
That's what he's saying.

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I won't believe a single personwith anything they say anymore
until they're on the roster, butwell, we'll see.

SPEAKER_02 (48:46):
So, yeah, go the whole Jeff Grimes thing.
I mean, maybe it's a case if hedoesn't have guys that fit his
scheme because we have leftoversof the half times that are half
hazard error.
Because when Longo came in, wedidn't have guys for that.
So it's just like when you'reconstantly changing schemes like
that, like you're always gonnahave guys that personnel that
don't fit, which sucks.
So I don't know, maybe is itbecause is it because he just

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didn't have guys that fit asystem and his offensive line
was barely being held together?
Like there was four qualitystarters at any given point all
year, of course he's not theguy.
But I mean, if if they are trulygetting that 30 million dollars
that you know is getting floatedaround, you know, from Macintosh
and everyone else, well you havethe quarterback, right?
And Carter Smith, hopefully, andlike yeah, Pose, you got

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Catalano, you got likeessentially your building
blocks, right?
And then if you do need to, youknow, throw them a little money
to make sure they stick around.
I mean, based on what you hear,what you see on social media, it
doesn't sound like you're gonnaneed to.
Um, especially a guy likeCatalano, like that dude wants
to be a badger.
It's just like just like HunterWooler, just like going to
basketball, Max Clesman.

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Like he didn't like the moneywas secondary.
He wanted to be a badger becausehe grew up cheer informed.
Obviously, Mason posts is alittle bit of a different
situation being in New Mexico,but I think he's a loyal guy,
and I think there's a reason hecommitted to fickle.
So I think I don't know.
I was fully on board the firefickle train.
I could not believe it,couldn't, but now I'm like, oh,
I'm kind of just maybe justresigning myself to the fact

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that he's not gonna be gone, soI'm just trying to make a peace
with it and try to look at thebright side of it, like trying
to look at the bright side oflike, okay, he's there.
He obviously has some he has afew really good looking recruits
in this upcoming class, which islooking a little shaky now,
right?
Yeah, but if from what I've beenhearing and seeing, you know,

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all that if it goes around,there's a decent shot to hang on
to him, right?
Which I mean, so obviously theybelieve in him, bring in those
guys, and I don't know.
Maybe if he does have enoughfinancial um support to like get
guys in the portal, we canactually compete with you know
some bigger schools rather thanhaving to get Lance Mason out of
like Missouri State or whereverhe came from, right?

(50:55):
Maybe maybe they can turn thisthing around in a couple of
years, but that is a hundredpercent where I'm at.

SPEAKER_03 (51:02):
That's what I was about to say before you even
said it.
I was gonna say, we're not likewe're still on the we're still
questioning Luke Fickel, westill have our question marks
with it.
If he got fired, I wouldn't sithere and like we need to
boycott.
No, no, no, I'd be okay.

SPEAKER_02 (51:14):
But yeah, I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 (51:16):
We yes, but we like we know he's we we we're pretty
darn sure he's staying, like ouropinions.
We're pretty darn sure he'sstaying.
So we're trying to make the bestand see the best outcomes for
this, and we can kind of seesome good, so why not embrace
it?
I at this point, why not embracethe good that we see and just
try to run with it?
And that's kind of what we'redoing here.

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I agree completely.
A lot of youth, a lot of good.
There's this we have bye weekcoming up, so hopefully a little
bit rester, and maybe we seeCarter Smith coming out of the
bye week.
So we'll wait and see on thatone.
Right?
We'll wait and see on that one.
So, Christian, I gotta run here.
Thank you as always for stoppingby.
Let people know where to findyou out there across social
media.

SPEAKER_02 (51:55):
Uh, follow me, find me at uh at Christian Boardman
on Twitter and you knoweverything else, and at the
Badger Backer.

SPEAKER_03 (52:02):
You gotta check him out.
Badger backer there.
He's got a lot of greatarticles.
He's gonna be covering BadgerHoops coming up here.
Badger men's basketball.
Women's basketball's gonna bekicking off.
They said they're gonna be good.
He's gonna have to cover that ifthey're good.
We're he's gonna have to get inon that.
We got Badger Football.
We got Badger Football gettingtowards the end there.
So, yeah, like like I like Isaid, make sure you're checking
them out there.
The Badger Backer there withChristian Barman.

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So before we get to our numbertwo, there was something I
forgot to hit it, and it justcame across the news feed a
little late.
As you guys know, the show'spre-recorded, so I wasn't able
to uh it's not like it'sWednesday, it's Tuesday here
when we're talking.
But Elijah Gray was dismissedfrom the program.
Uh, Elijah Gray from theWisconsin Badgers there, the

(53:27):
forward.
He was released from ordismissed from the program
Tuesday, according to a pressrelease from a UW spokesperson.
It says Gray's dismissal came asa result of events preceding his
enrollment at the University ofWisconsin.
Due to privacy laws, theuniversity couldn't share more
details at the moment.
So an interesting development.

(53:49):
We will see what kind of comesof it there.
Uh, but the Badgers will be oneman down as they get into this
last exhibition game wherethey're gonna be taking on
platfield there and then lookingahead to their first game out
there against Campbell.
So we'll see kind of what shakesout there with the roster uh
here moving forward here.
But with that, we're gonna rollinto hour number two.

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That's the end of our numberone.
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