How to Reclaim Your Power: Breaking Free from Past Trauma

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine René,
isabel Wells and Chantelle Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.

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Each week we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
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Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
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We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and

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balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Welcome, welcome back toanother amazing episode here on
the Wisdom Rising podcast.
I'm your host for today, isabelWells, and I have to say this

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episode is good.
Today, christine and I arediving into self-worth identity
and moving past trauma, becausehealing isn't just about letting
go of the past.
It's about writing the storiesyou want to live by in the
future.
So in today's conversation,christina and I are diving into
the psychology of trauma and thestories that we tell ourselves,

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how our identity changes, theway that we show up in the world
, why we need to know how toconnect with our soul and our
intuition to create the life wewant, because our mind is
actually just keeping us stuckin the past, why holding on to
trauma as an identity canactually be so detrimental for
your healing journey, and theimportance of being able to cast

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out your desires in the futureso you know how you want to live
your life in the present.
What we're really talking abouttoday is how to look at the
energies, the stories, thebeliefs that are shackling us to
the past, that are holding usback in our subconscious in ways
that we don't even realize, andhow, when we become aware of
those and aware of the weight,aware of how the energy is

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moving in our life, we can makechoices for calling in the life
that we really want.
We can change our identity,change our perception of our
self-worth, change our lives byallowing ourselves to fully
arrive in the present, recallingall of our energy from the past
, so that we can look to thefuture and start making the
choices, moving the energy,having the beliefs and taking

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the action that's going tocreate the life that we want to
be living.
This episode is a juicy one, soI cannot wait to dive in with
you, but before we do, just afew updates about our community
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while you listen and, withoutfurther ado, let's dive in to
today's episode, and I actuallywould love to just have us take
a few deep breaths before wedive in this morning.
I'm feeling like my energy iskind of all over the place this
morning, so I'm feeling likethree deep breaths to come back
is a great way to start off.
What do you think, christine?
Absolutely Beautiful.
So just taking a moment,everybody, just closing your

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eyes, settling into your chair.
Nice, big, deep breaths tostart.
Let your shoulders fall awayfrom your ears, unclench your
jaw, relax the muscles in yourface, relax your eyebrows.
Just notice where you're atthis morning.

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Take a moment to fully arriveinto the present, maybe putting
a hand on your heart, justfeeling your heart center,

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feeling yourself arrive as wetake three deep breaths, calling
back your energy as you inhale,rele, releasing what's ready to
be released as you exhale.
And again, deep breath, incalling back your energy, exhale
, releasing One more, letting itout with this eye, maybe giving

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your body a nice little shake,little wiggle, taking any last
movements or breaths that youneed to open up your eyes.
Come back into the present,into the conversation.
Open up your eyes, come backinto the present, into the
conversation, feeling a littlemore centered and grounded.
Now I always like to say neverunderestimate the power of three

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deep breaths.
Sometimes it's always a need togo from stressed to connected.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Absolutely, and with that, welcome, welcome.
Welcome to yet anotherbeautiful conversation.
Join with Isabel Wells.
We're breathing, we'recentering as we move into this
conversation on self-worth,identity and moving past trauma,
so I really love that.

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Thank you so much, isabel, forguiding us through some nice
deep breathing.
I always feel like this is oneof my core, foundational,
activating actions.
Right, coming back to breath ishuge for so many of us of how
do we feel grounded, how do wefeel safe, how do we feel in our

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bodies is to take those nicedeep breaths.
So thank you so much forguiding us in that and knowing
that we've got this reallybeautiful conversation ahead of
us.
So thanks everyone for beinghere, for listening, for taking
the time out of your day toreally reflect, because this
conversation is all about reallythat internal introspection,

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right Of like where am I beingattached to certain identities?
Where's my self worth at?
How am I being attached to mypast trauma or am I really
creating new possibilities withideas for my future and my
future self, and who do I wantto be and who do I want to
embody and who do I want tobecome, and knowing that being

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in the present moment, that'swhere the beauty arrives.
So welcome, welcome, welcomeeveryone.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Absolutely, and I love today's topic because it's
something that we talk aboutagain and again with our Soul
Rising students of understandingthat the way that you perceive
yourself and the world aroundyou and the choices that you
make, that the way that youperceive yourself and the world
around you and the choices thatyou make and the actions that
you take, and all of it comesfrom the stories that you're
telling yourself.
Right, this is core shamanicwork.

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Right here is understandingthat our lives are the product
of the stories that we tellourselves, the beliefs that we
have.
And something that I've saidagain and again on the show that
I think I just keep bringing upto kind of drive it home is we
always think of the shamans aslike the medicine people.
Right, they're going to go findthe herb, they're going to do
the journey, they're going to doa soul retrieval to help you

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heal.
But really their core work wasbeing the truth keepers of their
tribe.
They were kept in isolation,kept away from the other people
most of the time, because theywere the keepers of what they
would have called the originalinstructions.
But essentially they understoodthat cultures, societies, our

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lives, are built on the storiesthat we're telling ourselves.
And when those stories strayaway from the truth or they
become limited or fractured insome way, we start to fractured
or fragmented in some way andwhat can I do to restore them to

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wholeness?
And I think that way of lookingat it really mirrors what a lot
of people perceive as theirhealing journey is recognizing
the parts of themselves thatfeel broken or feel fractured in
some way and finding a way tocome back home to themselves.
But this is I love that this iscoming up right at the
beginning, because this is alsosomething that we've kind of
brought up a couple times on theshow now but it's that idea of

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how even the story of healingcan hold you back.
You know, like there are timeswhere absolutely, you're doing
the deep work, you have a woundcome up, you're healing a trauma
and you are absolutely healing.
But what we're looking at intoday's conversation especially
is when you hold on to storiesfor a little bit too long, when
you've kind of held on to thempast their sell-by date, right,

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and I think healing is a storythat so many of us hold on to
for far longer than maynecessarily be useful.
Healing's never done right,it's never like you're just one
day going to be healed.
It's a continuous journey, it'sa spiral.
That's why we talk about theshaman's ladder, that big spiral
of consciousness and healing.
It's never done.
But when you hold on to it foryears and years and years, what

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you're really holding on to,when you keep saying, well, I'm
healing, or I'm on my healingjourney, or this is the focus of
my life right now, is healing,what you're really saying on a
subconscious level is I'm nothealed yet, I'm still not enough
, I'm still broken in some way,I'm still fractured in some way.
And so by holding on to thisstory of I need to heal X, y, z,

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we're also holding on to thestory that we're in some way not
enough, we're in some wayinsufficient, we're in some way
still flawed.
And I think that that veryfundamental understanding really
opens up for everything elsethat we're going to talk about
today, because it's that momentwhere you can kind of sit back

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and realize what's the storyunderneath the story that I'm
telling.
You know, because on thesurface, saying I'm working on
healing is a beautiful thing,right?
That's like a really noblething to be doing.
Having self-awareness, healingyour wounds, working to get
better, that's a fantastic goal,but when you're holding onto it
and it becomes your identity,what you're really saying is no

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matter what all of this stuffthat you've done in the past,
you're still not enough, youknow.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, and that's where it comes down to that
identity level, right, like, amI broken?
Like what do you put at the endof I am right, and so there's
so much to this.
There's so much to this, andwhat I see oftentimes in
shamanic sessions is that I amunhooking people from their past

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identities, right, like, I seetheir back as like little, like
a tag board, and all of thesethreads are like hooked in and
pulling them into the past,right, and so oftentimes I'm
like, all right, we're going tounhook this limiting belief and
we're unhooking this story andwe're on, because it's literally
energetically holding you back,it's holding you into your past

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, and so how can you possiblymove forward into the full
expansion of who you are, intoyour full alignment of who you
could be if you were attached tothose things that happened in
your past?
Right, and so, even though yourtrauma may be significant, even
though things might have notgone the way you ideally wanted

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them to go, and the regrets thatwe have, right, like, all of
those are stories, and when ourfocus is on them aka you have
hooks in your back pulling youinto the past how can you
possibly move forward quickly,right, and so there's this idea
of having the self-awareness,having the recognition of oh, I

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can see how that, what I'mtelling myself, is actually
holding me in place, holding mestill.
And so you know we see this inclients and students where
they're just want to go slow orthey want to, they don't want to
release that, they're soattached, they're so very
attached to what has happened tothem, their victimhood mode,

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that it's really hard anddifficult to see what's even
possible in the future.
And those are the clients andstudents that really take some
nurturing to give them space,create space for them to feel
safe and going.
I can let that down now.
I can let that identity fallaway.

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Now it's okay for me to thinkabout what the future could
possibly hold for me.
And that's a huge, huge step.
Because that victimhood mode isthe way our society is kind of
built on right and like keepingthat in mind, like our society

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wants victims because they'reeasier to manipulate, they're
easier to control, they'reeasier to, you know, sell
products to right.
If you think that you're ugly,it's so much easier to send you
like sell you cosmetics orplastic surgery or whatever it
is right.
And so we have this culturalconditioning to keep us feeling
low because it's easier for usto be manipulated as consumers.

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Like keep that in mind and tobreak out of the freaking box of
what the past was and saying Iam beautiful just for who I am.
I am divine because I am.
It's my inherent birthright tobe exactly who I am.
Everything from my past we'relearning lessons and I can say
I've learned them.

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Check and done, let's move on.
It was really interesting.
So my son came home recently andI remember talking to him.
I was like why is your dad?
He like his dad was calling meand I'm like you're 18.
I no longer have any obligationto co-parent.

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You know I no longer need to bein relationship with this man
in any capacity for the mostpart, right, like unless you are
dying.
Like I don't need to beinvolved in your relationship
with your father.
Right, like that was me sayingI am done, I'm checked the thing
off my list.
No longer am I available forany kind of future trauma, any

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future manipulation, whatever itis.
Like I am, I am checked off thelist, no longer available,
right, and so it's.
And having that awareness oflike I have a choice, like I
think that's huge and we can'thave the self-identity of like.
This person created a lot oftrauma for me.
This person created conditionsin my life that I couldn't

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escape and emotionallymanipulated me for years.
Right, and to be able to like,I have a choice.
I had a choice when my sonturned 16 and he was like I'm
like, you can decide, the courtsare going to let you decide, so
I'm no longer playing this gameright, like, I'm constantly
like you are now 18.
I no longer need to be playingthe game right and so I can see

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that I have a choice and that'sso huge and we can step back and
go wow, these are the hooksthat are pulling me to my past.
And am I available for that?
My past, and am I available forthat?
Do I want to be available forthe reconditioning of the past,
trauma again and again, andagain and again and reliving it,
or am I just done now?

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, and I think that's such an important way of
looking at it, because realizingat the very baseline that we
have a choice in the storiesthat we tell ourselves, we have
a choice in the things webelieve, is huge, because so
many of us kind of walk aroundfeeling almost like beholden to
our minds.

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We feel like this is just theway I am, these are just the
stories that I'm telling myself,these are just the anxieties
that I have, or this is just theoutcome of my trauma, or et
cetera, et cetera.
Right, and when we feel thatway, we really have this
opportunity to look at and sayis it just how I am and how I'm
always going to be, or is itjust how I am right now and I

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can choose differently.
And that doesn't mean that it'sgoing to be an instantaneous
thing.
It's been really interestingbecause, as I'm coming back from
Alaska, my husband and I arecontemplating moving up there
next year and that's a huge.
It's a huge change for both ofus and he's got a lot of past
trauma around moving.
He had some really traumaticthings happen when he was in his

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younger years and I've got alot of past stuff with
relationships and what happenswhen you really change your life
like that in a relationship,and the trajectory that that
causes the relationship to godown.
And it's been fascinating forboth of us being able to sit
there and, as we're having theseconversations, notice that,
like for me last night, I justhad to sit down and cry for like

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10 minutes because I was likewe're going to move and you're
going to start hating me andwe're going to be so stressed
and it's all going to godownhill and this is where it's
all going to fall apart andmaybe we just shouldn't move at
all.
And it was like my brain neededthose five minutes of freaking
out so that I could then take abreath and go.
Okay, I can recognize that theversion of me that's talking
right now is the version of mefrom the past and she does not

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have to be the one that'swalking into my future.
So I can acknowledge her, I canwitness what she was feeling.
I can untie that tie, likeChristine's talking about.
I can let that go and I canthink about what do I want to
happen instead, knowing that Ihave a choice, knowing that I'm
an adult now, knowing that myfuture is a major part, the

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product of the choices that I'mabout to make and the way that
I'm going to show up and thewords that I'm going to use and
how vulnerable I'm allowingmyself to be and the chances
that I'm allowing myself to take.
What do I want to step into thefuture as?
Because it's not this fear Idon't want to bring this fear
with me.
I want to find a way to releaseit and move forward, knowing
that, like you're saying, ifwe're still tied to that like if

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I did not realize that I had achoice in that, if I didn't
realize that I could choose tobelieve something else, I would
be walking forward absolutelyterrified and still holding on
to that.
And that doesn't mean that mybody is not still having those
reactions.
It doesn't mean that I'm notgoing to have days where I do
feel scared about it or I haveanother limiting belief come up.
The difference is that, when itcomes up, instead of attaching

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to it, instead of identifyingwith it, instead of saying, well
, this is just how it is becauseof my past, I can say this is
how it has been, but it doesn'thave to be how it's going to be.
It doesn't have to be how it'sgoing to stay.
And that one, I think, is suchan interesting turning point and
I see it in our students andclients all the time because,
like you're saying, we have asociety right now that is built

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on the I deserve X, y, z becauseI have been through PDQ.
Like I deserve to rest becauseI worked hard all day.
I deserve to spend money andbuy myself a little treat
because I did good and I putstuff in savings and I worked
really hard to do that.
Or I deserve to, you know, havean easy life as an adult

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because I had a sucky life as akid, right, like how often do we
tell ourselves these stories ofbecause I went through fill in
the blank with this difficultthing that we went through.
I have earned the right to restand I think that that
fundamental belief that we arekind of just born into in modern
culture of we have to earn theright to exist, the right to

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take up space, the right to rest, the right to self-nourishment,
the right to live our own liveswithout feeling guilty, we have
to earn it.
And how do you earn something?
You earn something by workinghard, you earn something by
struggling, you earn somethingby going through difficult times
and coming out the other side.
But if we're holding onto thatbelief system that these things
have to be earned, even if it'ssubconscious, we're constantly

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going to be pushing ourselvesback to well, I can't let go of
the trauma.
I can't let go of the pastexperiences.
I can't, you know, forget,quote, unquote I can't release
the fact that I had a difficultchildhood or I had this
experience, or that I had towork harder, whatever it was.
When we're holding on to that,we feel like we can't let it go,
because as soon as we let it go, we feel like, well, now I

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don't deserve this thing,because if I'm not attached to
the fact that I struggled, ifI'm not attached to the fact
that my life was hard, then Idon't deserve to rest, I haven't
earned the right to take upspace to be nourished, to
whatever it is.
And so it becomes this reallykind of dangerous seesaw where
resting in the middle of that isthis idea that we don't deserve

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or we aren't worthy ofreceiving, unless we have
somehow been wounded orstruggled or whatever it is.
And that, I think, is reallypart of what's at the core of
why so many people myselfincluded, sometimes right.
We're human.
This is a human instinctBecause, on the flip side of it,
our minds are always trying tokeep us safe, you know.

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And so when we're talking about,well, you have a choice to
choose how you want your futureto look.
That choice cannot come fromyour mind, and the reason for
that is because your mind isjust a data processor.
That's all it is.
Your mind is just storing allof your past experiences so that
it can project it into thefuture and try and control it,
so that it can say, okay, well,we made these choices in the

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past or we saw these people makethese choices in the past.
So if we just don't make thosechoices, then maybe we can avoid
the outcome that we want toavoid.
And on the flip side of that,you mentioned regret.
Regret is really just anxietyabout the past.
It's just your mind trying tocontrol the past of saying, well
, shit, I wish I hadn't madethat choice.
I'm going to make sure I don'tmake it in the future.

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It's all just ways that ourmind is trying to hold on to
control.
And because of that, if we areso up here and we're trying to
make all of our choices from uphere.
The ability to step beyond thestories, the ability to let go
of the trauma or unhook thathook from our past or whatever
it is, it cannot come from themind, because the only capacity

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that our mind has is to look atthe past and project it into the
future.
That's all the mind can do.
It's not doing it because it'sbad or because you're bad or
because you're broken.
It's just doing it because it'strying to help you, but it
literally cannot imagine afuture that it hasn't seen.
That ability comes from yoursoul, that comes from your
intuition, that comes from yourspirit, that comes from whatever

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you want to call.
That deeper part of you and Ithink that is where so many
people also get stuck is we feellike well, I need to stop
having these anxieties, or Ineed to stop having these
stories, or I need to stopfeeling like you know, I had
this trauma in the past.
And it's like your mind isnever going to feel that way
until you give it evidence tothe contrary.

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And it's not going to getevidence to the contrary if you
keep listening up here.
You have to go in.
You have to go connect withspirit, connect with nature,
connect with your intuition,connect with something else that
exists outside of that story,so that you can start making the
choices of saying, like I wassaying with this move of that is
how it's been in the past.

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That is the evidence that mymind has.
I'm not discounting that, I'mnot saying that.
Well, you know that's just afalse story.
No, I have that story for areason.
I'm telling that story becauseit's a past experience.
But just because that was thepast doesn't mean that it has to
be the future.
And that awareness and thatshift of even just being willing
to acknowledge that andrecognizing that it has to come

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from beyond our minds, becausewe just have to give it more
information, we have to give itmore evidence of look, yeah,
that was one past.
But here's another person whodidn't have that experience and
is now living the life I want.
Here's, you know, an example ofhow things did work out in my
life and it was okay when I madethis choice, you know and

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starting to make those littleshifts.
But it all starts withrecognizing that we do have that
choice.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Exactly Right.
And so it's kind of like,energetically speaking, if you
have got energetic attachmentsso that's what those hooks are
Like you can think of them aslike fishing lines.
They're hooked in and you canstart recognizing wow, that
story has got me hooked, it'sgot me attached, right.
Do I still want to continueplaying the story?

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Am I ready to like let it goand recognize it?
Okay, I'm bringing it from mysubconscious into my conscious
mind, right?
And once it's in my consciousmind now I'm responsible for it.
I'm responsible for its healing.
I can see how it's manipulatedmy energy to keep replaying the
same story.
That's where theself-sabotaging behaviors come
in, right?
But now that it's in theconscious realm, we can start

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making different choices tocombat that storyline.
So that's what Isabel is sayingis like okay, I'm going to make
a new choice, make a new storyand have new proof to teach my
subconscious wow, it actually issafe to make a new storyboard,
right.
And the way we do that is wesend out energetic hooks into
the future, into our envisioningprocess.

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So it's like you taking yourfishing pole and be like I'm now
in control.
I'm gonna cast my line forwardinto the future and pull forward
the identity, the reality, myhopes and dreams, my vision
forward into my life, right.
And so this is why futureforecasting is so important,
because one it kind of forcesyou into this place of

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recognizing I am responsible andI'm worthy and I am divine, and
I just am because I am, I'mhuman, which makes my inherent
right divine, because I chose tocome in in this body, into this
space, in this timeline, forreason and purpose.
And I'm here now, and so I'mgoing to say yes to the fullness

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of my experience.
And in that, having that choice, I'm creating my reality, I'm
creating my future, and so it istaking the time to going.
What is it that I actually want?
And so often, if we have allthose hooks of the past in our
back, we don't feel worthy anddeserving to cast into the
future.
They don't even know what theywant.

(29:13):
They're so tangled up in all ofthose fish wires, right, that
they're bound.
They're bound and gagged intotheir past, right.
And so how do we cut throughthat?
How do we start making a choiceof going?
I am worthy to step forward andsay you know what?
I want?
To fucking eat cake for dinner,because I want to, or whatever
it is, like it could be babysteps versus like I'm going to

(29:36):
envision having the life of mydreams and I'm going to state it
every single day for the next60 days.
You know, like there is ways todo that too.
Like how do we re-script oursubconscious mind right so we
can look at when our brain ismore apt to accept new visions,
new future realities of beingpenetrated into our mind space?

(29:59):
So we look at, like those placesand spaces right when we wake
up, those places and spacesright before we fall asleep.
Those are when our brain is inthe state of wave that's ready
to accept things into thesubconscious field in a really
healthy way.
And so you can you can make avoice memo of like I am
Christine, renee and I envisionmy future as and it's happening

(30:21):
now.
So I am now a successfulbusiness woman who has two
healthy, happy children, who'salways coming to me for healthy
emotional support and, like I'mmaking this up as I go, my
community is always there tosupport me and I absolutely love
cooking in the kitchen andeveryone shows up and raves

(30:42):
about how good my food is.
Like whatever your reality,what you want your reality to be
, I am now on 100 podcasts ayear.
Whatever it may be, you canstart giving yourself a new
script of what you want yourreality to look like.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I love that you are talking about that, because I've
actually been doing this withthe Move and I was going to
bring it up, and I love that youdid because it is such a potent
question.
I actually asked this in ourFacebook group the other day
because it's like how often areyou actually imagining the
outcome that you want to have,instead of the worst case
scenario?
You know, I feel like it's thisstep that so often we don't

(31:24):
take, like we do the work to beaware of the story, we do the
work to notice that, oh okay,I'm thinking of the worst case
scenario.
Or oh okay, I'm feeling anxiousright now, I'm gonna take my
deep breaths, I'm gonna gooutside, I'm gonna do my
grounding, I'm gonna do ashamanic journey, I'm gonna do
something to help myself throughthe anxiety.
But we never tell our brainwhat if we imagined this instead

(31:45):
?
What if, instead of thatnegative outcome, it was this
positive one?
And what that's doing in yourbrain anytime you experience
like a negative thought.
For example, one of my brain'sfavorite chew toys that I have
with this move right now is whatif we don't have enough money?
Like what if financially it'snot going to be okay and my
brain will go down this rabbithole and I can go do the journey

(32:06):
, I can go take some deepbreaths, I can remind myself of
times that it's worked out.
But what that's doing to mybrain, if I don't circle back
around and say, and let'senvision what our bank account
would look like with more thanenough money in it, let's
envision what it would feel liketo have the capacity to hold
that much income, let's envisionthe life that I want to have

(32:27):
with that money, if I'm notdoing that step, what's
registering in my brain is I hada scary thought about the
future and now I'm doingsomething to avoid thinking
about it.
So, even though we're helpingour nervous system, even though
we're helping our energy bytaking the deep breaths, doing
the journey, the brain is saying, oh, we are still afraid of
this outcome and therefore we'regiving it more weight.

(32:48):
Therefore, it actually issomething that we still need to
be afraid of, whereas if we'reable to look at it and say, okay
, I see that fear, I'm going totake some deep breaths to help
myself calm down, get into abetter state.
And now I'm going to thinkabout what's the better outcome,
what's the best outcome, whatwould I love to experience.
How am I going to feel when I'mexperiencing that?

(33:08):
And, like Christine said, bonuspoints if you're doing this
right when you wake up or rightbefore you go to sleep, or both,
so that you're now telling yourbrain not only is that not a
scary outcome, but this is theone we're expecting instead.
See how much better this one is, see how much safer it feels
over here, like this is what wewant.
And then you're completing thatcycle for your brain, so your
brain can kind of turn off thatlittle red flag that it has

(33:31):
about oh my God, what if wedon't have enough money, because
it's like, oh no, we could haveenough money, we would be okay,
we could hold that much income.
I know how we'd feel if we didthat.
And now it sees a differentpotential and we're not just
cutting it off and saying, oh,not going to look at it Well,
and on top of that, then you'reinspired to take the action.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Right, I think that's like huge when you can see if
I'm going to self-identify as asuccessful businesswoman, for
example, then you're going tostart taking the actions to make
that a reality.
Because you can see it, now I'mmotivated and I'm going to
embody what it feels like on theday-to-day, in the present

(34:11):
moment.
I am a successful businesswoman, so I do lives and I do
podcasts and I write the emailsand I check in with people and I
network and I go to the things,the social events, so that I
can talk about my business andwhere I'm going with it.
And you know, whatever it islike, you embody the future,
envisioning that.
You see, and then it becomesyour reality, right, and I think

(34:33):
this is why I love putting itin the shamanic context.
Right, like I love looking atthis.
Like, where am I placing myenergy?
Where is the energetic that I'mthrowing out?
Right, so, whether it's okaynow I'm not paying attention to
all of those hooks that were inme, I'm healing those scabs,
those scar marks on my back ofwhere those paths were, because

(34:56):
I'm not giving it as muchattention as I used to, right,
like you can recognize, ooh,that there's a poke there, but
it's not.
Like it gets easier and easierand easier the more we can go
and I'm focusing on the future,and I'm focusing on the future,
and I'm focusing on the futureand then one day you recognize
that you can just be fully inthe present, that you can be

(35:19):
taking your deep breaths, fullyembodied in the emotional, and
trusting the divine is going tolay out everything as it should,
right?
So this is the biggestdifference I see in like
traditional talk therapy andwhat we do as soul rising right,
like talk therapy often, isfocusing on your past trauma.

(35:40):
It does step one, but it missesout a lot on step two, which is
where a lot of spiritual coachescome into play, which we
include in Phil Rising right, wewant you to have this future
projection of what you want yourreality look like.
We want to cast out into thefuture, right, and pull that
forward into your reality andthen be able to be at peace with

(36:00):
how it unfolds.
So you are letting go of evenattachment to the future at some
point because you can trustthat I am divine, I am worthy, I
can have it all.
Everything is showing up indivine timing.
I like all of these things andlike now I'm just present, right
, so you're working it all theway through.

(36:20):
But like, step one yeah, let'slook at our past, bring it from
the subconscious to theconscious.
Step two Okay, now we're goingto project into the future, cast
our energetic lines out there,pull it forward, really change
our self-identity script.
It's re-scripting, it'srecoding who we are
fundamentally in our mind spaceto be able to be now fully

(36:42):
present and that's and thatunfoldment feels just incredibly
powerful.
So, if you are just know, likeif you're listening to the
recording we're on live in ourin our Facebook group right now,
and we have one of our paststudents says you guys are
better than having therapybecause you break down stuff and

(37:05):
in my life and give me toolsand I love all the courses you
offer and I this is it Like I Ilove therapy.
I think like I love that, thecourses you offer and I this is
this is it Like I I love therapy.
I think like I love that mentalhealth is so well accepted and
that we have these resourcesavailable and most areas now
that you can get a therapist andknow that that is like such a
huge part of step one.
That step one is also socovered in our soul rising

(37:28):
program.
The way we move through intochildhood wounds and where are
wounds, where are traumas, whereare those things showing up and
really being practitioners likeas our moderators, as the
facilitators, as the teachers,as the mentors, being trauma
informed, to be able to holdspace for that and really give

(37:51):
people the tools and techniquesto be able to move through, is
huge and I just love that there,that that we can move through
the whole process and I just,you know, I think about students
in the past where you know theyespecially in the money
scarcity stuff, right, likewe've had students come in where

(38:12):
they were like I have no ideawhat I'm doing, I have no idea
how I'm going to pay for this, Idon't know how the time is
going to work out, like I don'tknow, but the calling is there,
the calling is there and so theyshow up and we're like we're
going to trust the process,we're going to work through the
limiting beliefs around moneyscarcity.
We're going to do the things andwatch these students who really

(38:34):
had no idea how they were goingto pull it off.
People not only pay off theprogram within six or seven
months, but then also turnaround and start building their
businesses and start wiping outdebt and start like.
Seeing those huge shifts inpeople's life time and time
again has just been inspiring,and I think that's why I get so

(38:56):
excited about this work isbecause you really are learning
the tools to change your life.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, I love thatyou're talking about that
process of moving through it,because part of why I think we
get so excited about helping ourstudents do this is because
we've done it ourselves.
We know what it feels like tobe in each phase of the work,
knowing that we're probablygoing to be cycling through all
three phases for as long aswe're alive, because being alive

(39:23):
isn't, you know, a walk in thepark.
Right, it's not like we'regoing to magically find all the
tools and one day it's nevergoing to be hard again or we're
never going to struggle again,right?
That's not the point.
We don't, right like we don'tcome to spirituality, we don't
come to healing, we don't cometo personal development,
whatever you want to call it sothat we can, you know, finally
be done.
We come to this work so that wecan experience that magic of

(39:46):
being alive a little more deeplyand help make those hard
moments a little easier, alittle more deeply.
And help make those hardmoments a little easier, a
little more in flow, a littlemore grounded, right?
I was watching a TV show theother day and there was a not to
tie this back to religion butthere was a priest who was
talking and he said do you notfind that God helps you feel
stable even in the most chaoticof times?
Right, and I think that if wetake the word God out of that

(40:07):
right and we just talk aboutthat connection to ourselves,
that connection to the divine,that connection to nature, this
is why we do the work, so thateven in the hard times, we can
be connected, we can be stable,we can be strong, we can rest on
that foundation of knowing I amsupported and I am okay and it
is going to work out for me andwhatever that mantra is for you.

(40:27):
And I think, when we're talkingabout moving through those
phases, one of the questionsthat comes up for me and for
clients and students again andagain is are you holding onto
the wound or are you letting itturn into a scar?
Like we're not asking you toerase your scars, we're not
asking you to erase your past.
You are who you are todaybecause of your past experiences
.
But the question is are youholding onto that whole of what

(40:53):
you experienced or are youletting it become a scar?
Are you letting it become a ohyeah, one time versus?
I am still, you know, and Ithink about this a lot in my own
history.
One of the things that comes tomind with moving through this
and the scar versus the wound isI remember when I was really
deep in my chronic health issuesand I had just had to stop

(41:14):
dancing.
I had been dancing for like 18plus years.
It was my entire life.
My body started falling apartand I had to stop and I remember
it was like a year or two Ibelieve it was a year or two
after I had stopped dancing andI was still just.
I was so broken, I felt broken.
I wasn't dancing and I wasstill just.
I was so broken.
I felt broken, I wasn't broken,but I felt broken.

(41:35):
I felt so empty and so lost andI was so stuck in this like
anger and frustration and griefand just absolute, like hatred
of life for like, how, like, why, what is the point of living if
I had to lose this thing right?
I was so stuck in the wound ofit and I remember sitting with
my mom in a grocery storeparking lot and she was like

(41:59):
Isabel, you have to let yourselffeel it and recognize that
nothing is ever going to fillthat hole.
You can't keep the hole open,hoping that something's going to
fill its place.
It's never going to.
You have to let yourself feelit so that it can heal, so that
you can find what's next, sothat you can find the new thing

(42:21):
that's going to happen.
But if you're so busy holdingonto this hole and looking in it
, you're never going to be ableto see what's happening outside
of it.
And that advice completelyshifted the trajectory of the
rest of my life, but especiallyof that healing moment, because
it really was.
I had spent two years looking atI'm so sick and nothing's
helping and I had to give updancing and it's not even

(42:42):
getting better, and now I'mdepressed and now I'm broken and
now I'm all of these things.
I did that for two years, butwhat I didn't do was let myself
grieve.
I didn't let myself cry, Ididn't let myself recognize.
That was really fucking hardand I hate that I had to go
through it.
But I'm still here.
I still have things to do.
There's still something beyondthis hole that I'm just spending

(43:04):
my life looking down, waitingfor it to fill itself back up.
And it's not going to until welet ourselves feel the feelings
grieve.
The things go through theprocess of healing, but then
recognize that that wound has tobecome a scar before we're
going to be able to move forwardin our life, like that hole has
to be filled with healthytissue, albeit scar tissue right

(43:25):
, that's never going to not hurt, right?
Those memories of the difficultthings we go through, that's
never going to not be difficultto look at, you know.
But it can become this thingwhere we recognize that is what
allowed me to get to this nextthing, it's what allowed me to
move forward.
But I couldn't move forward tofinding Reiki, to being part of
Reiki Cafe, to starting MoonRising, to teaching the way I do

(43:49):
today, to being married, to anyof these things, until I let go
of holding on so tightly tothis wound.
And that it's so funny becauseI had.
I had a student tell me about amonth ago that they didn't feel
like I could hold space fortheir shadow because I was so
light Like they.
They didn't feel like I had hadenough of a traumatic

(44:09):
experience to be able to holdspace for theirs.
And I have to say I took it assuch a compliment because I
looked at that and it was like,yeah, like that is what I want
for our students.
I want our students to be ableto have processed and moved
through their trauma so deeplythat they don't feel like they

(44:32):
have to carry it around withthem anymore.
I want them to feel like it canbecome a story in their past,
just like all of the otherstories.
It doesn't have to necessarilybe more painful or bigger or
more shadowy or this thing thatweighs them down for the rest of
their lives.
You guys have heard my story.
I have abuse and illness andparental divorce and addiction

(44:54):
and I have terrible things in mypast.
But I don't think about it thatway.
You know, when I think about mypast, what I think about now is
all of the amazing experiencesI had while I was dancing, and I
think about all of the strengththat that younger version of me
had and I think about all ofthe amazing ways that I found to
express myself in the midst ofthat and I think about all of
the tools that I gathered tohelp myself get through those

(45:17):
moments.
But I don't think about howbroken I was or how difficult
that was or how much trauma Ihad.
I really don't think about itthat much Like.
If you asked me, I wouldn't saythat I've had a traumatic life,
not because I haven't haddifficult things, but because I
know that there is power inbeing able to say that is just a
past experience.
Like all of the other pastexperiences, and like all of

(45:39):
them, whether I at the timecalled them good or bad or
neutral, they all contributed towho I am today and who I am
becoming.
I need to stop looking downthat hole so that I can look up
and see all of the possibilitiesthat are existing beyond those
stories.
You know, and it's like if allof our students had that

(46:00):
takeaway of like I feel so lightand free from that past that
it's like I never even had thattrauma, that would be incredible
.
And I think it goes back towhat we were talking about
earlier of this story that wehave, that we have to hold on to
that identity of being asurvivor or having gotten

(46:21):
through this trauma, and thereis such power in those
identities when you need them.
I am not saying that there is.
I have definitely, at times inmy life, identified as a
survivor, but there were alsotimes where I recognized that
that label was then holding meback.
It was still keeping meattached to the past and in
order to make room for somethingnew that was an identity, that

(46:43):
was a weight, that was anenergetic cord like Christine's
saying that I had to let go of.
You know, and I think thatthat's part of moving through
these phases that we're talkingabout is recognizing when are
the stories that serve you inphase one, holding you back from
moving into phase two, or intophase three, or into just being
present with who you are?
And can you give yourself thepermission to recognize that

(47:05):
it's okay if you let go of thewound and give it space to
become a scar instead?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
And just noticing those word shifts right Like
going from survivor to thriver,going from I've got wounds to
scars.
Right Like there's even a shiftthat we can make in our

(47:32):
day-to-day language.
That's going to set you up forletting go of those attachments.
Right, and it's knowing thatyou're worthy of it.
I think that it so much comesdown to knowing that you are
worthy of making the shift.
You are worthy to shift out ofvictimhood, to shift out of your
trauma, to shift out of andhave the life of your dreams.

(47:53):
Right Like I think that there'sso much culturally that says
you have to work hard for money,or you're not deserving, or
whatever it is to keep you small.
And what if you were thegrandest version of who you are?
What if you were embodied inyour higher self all the time
and made choices from that verydeep, soulful, intuitive space?

(48:17):
What if your world didn't havea lot of fear and you just
trusted?
I know like.
I know, like I know that it'sall going to work out for my
highest good.
Whatever is meant for me willcome to me, Whatever belongs to
me will be returned to me, Likeall of this right.
And so this is where we arecalling, in our power.
I call back my power from everyperson, place, thing, time and

(48:39):
dimension.
Right Like, there's a reasonwhy, in soul rising, in our work
as shamanic practitioners, thatwe utilize sovereignty
statements.
How am I fully sovereign, howam I fully responsible for my
energy?
And I call my power backbecause when you are fully you,

(49:00):
you are saying no longer can Ibe abused, no longer can I be
inflicted upon with someoneelse's insults, because they
don't just bounce off Like.
I think this is something that Ihad to work through as I grew
my company.
Right Like, we have a sixfigure business.
We don't have a lot of haters,but every once in a while, right

(49:20):
Like, every once in a while,there's someone out there who's
going to throw some hate and itdoesn't matter.
Like I'm like, oh, that's cutethey're.
They're ones who are wounded,that they're still focusing on
their wounds and projectingright.
And so you come into this placeof like, if negative energy
comes at you, your auric field,your energy field is so strong

(49:43):
that those if I had a bunch oflimiting beliefs, like I'm not
doing enough, I'm not goodenough, no one's going to love
me, I'm like if I had thatspiraling and someone's negative
comment came through on a DM oron a post or whatever it was,
or a phone call.
It's going to ride in on thatenergetic auric field soft spot,

(50:05):
that weak point, right, and hitme.
But because we've done thiswork, because we have come into,
I am worthy of all that I am.
I am divined because I am, andthat auric field is like a force
field around you, protectingyou from those that negative
energy coming in.

(50:25):
This isn't about toxicpositivity.
Go listen to last week's rightLike this is about I've done the
work, I know who I am.
So if someone calls you out andsay that's not who you are,
You're like, well, that's yourproblem.
That's you projecting.
That is not my problem.
Right, you let it go, you moveon.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
And I think there's.
There's an aspect of this too,in that it is so powerful
understanding those soft spotsand how we make our auric field
strong.
And one of the things that Ithink we forget about sometimes
when we're talking about healingtrauma or letting go of the
stories, or whatever it is, iswe hold on to the stories we
hold on to because we'rebenefiting from them in some way

(51:04):
.
You know, and a lot of timeswhat happens is we hold on to
this story about how much I'vebeen through, or that I am a
survivor.
I have this huge shadow orwhatever.
It is like this.
We hold on to that woundbecause somewhere in the back of
our minds we're thinking well,if I'm showing my pain instead
of the scar, then people willfeel bad for me and they'll be

(51:25):
kinder, or other people won'tjudge me for enjoying my life
because I've earned it, becauseI've suffered, or, you know, if
I'm holding on to this, thenwhatever happens in the future
won't be as hard because I'malready hurting.
That was a big one for me, oflike.
If I just hold on to the traumaand I hold on to the pain, then
whatever comes at me in thefuture is not going to be as bad
.
Because, like, been there, donethat you know like that was a

(51:48):
big one, that you know like thatwas a big one.
And so looking at on the flipside of that, like, what are the
stories and why are you holdingonto the struggles or the
stories that you are?
Like, what is it giving you?
What kind of feeling ofstrength or control or immunity

(52:09):
or deservingness, or what isthat giving you?
Because those that ability tolike let's say, for example,
with me, just to make it alittle more personal and kind of
click in place of like, whenI'm holding on, when I was
holding onto that story of I'mso sick and life took away the
one thing that I love, so I'mnot even going to try anymore,
like I'm just, I'm just going tostay hurting because then
whatever happens in the futurewon't hurt as bad, because this

(52:30):
is as bad as it's going to get.
When I was holding onto thatstory, what it gave me was kind
of this false protection on myenergy field, of feeling like,
well, nothing else can hurt meas bad as this did.
So I felt a little moreprotected.
My energy felt like it had alittle bit of a shield around it
but really it was likecardboard.
It was so flimsy because it wasbuilt on fear and it was built

(52:52):
on pain and it was built on thiswound and it really wasn't a
shield but it was what mysubconscious mind was trying to
use to protect me.
And so many people who areholding onto their past and
holding onto their stories do itbecause they feel like they're
getting something out of it orthey're afraid of what might
happen if they stop telling thatstory.
They're afraid of the judgmentthat they might get if they stop

(53:16):
kind of projecting their painout.
Or they're afraid that otherpeople won't love them as much
if they aren't wounded and needtheir help or need their
kindness or are being so kind tothem or whatever.
It is right.
And so I think that's a pieceof that awareness too that helps
you get to that point where youcan release those limiting
beliefs and soft spots from yourauric field, because you have

(53:36):
to recognize what am I gettingout of the story that I'm
telling myself right now?
What am I afraid I will lose ifI stop telling that story, if I
let go of the identity of beinga survivor or having a
traumatic life or having thisbig wound.
If I let go of that, what am Iworried will happen?
That people will judge me, thatpeople won't like me, that

(53:57):
they'll leave me, that life willbe harder, that what is it.
And when you can look at thatand recognize that it's another
chance for you to again makethat choice and say do I really
want to hold on to this pain sothat future pains will feel less
bad?
Because what I'm really sayingis I'm just going to keep myself
in pain for my entire life, sothat you know it might not be

(54:21):
ups and downs but at least it'llbe a steady level of pain.
You know, it's kind of thestory that I had.
Like that makes, when you lookat it, no cognitive sense.
That makes no sense whatsoever,you know.
But until you are able to lookat the story and look at the
benefit that you're getting fromit, or the benefit that your
mind thinks you're getting fromholding on to that, you're never
going to be able to see thatloophole, that little like

(54:45):
spiral that your mind has builtthat's keeping you stuck.
But once you do, you can lookat it and say, well, that's
ridiculous.
Like I don't want to live mylife in pain.
It's inevitable thatsomething's going to happen in
the future, right, but thatdoesn't mean that I have to hold
on to this now, and so I canlet that go.
And in letting it go, that'swhere your auric field actually
becomes stronger, that's whereyou actually release that weak

(55:06):
point, because you're notholding onto this subconscious
feeling or this fear of pain orjudgment or loss or whatever it
is.
You've let it go and that'swhat actually strengthens your
auric field.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Right, it's like if someone throws a projection of
their trauma on you, you thenenergetically agree with it.
Right?
If you haven't done the work,if you haven't done the healing
work, if your auric field isn'tstrong, you would energetically
agree and be like, yeah, I amhorrible person or whatever it
may be, and you take the hit.
Right, because you're holdingup the cardboard shield instead

(55:40):
of actually doing the work tomake your auric field strong.
And so I absolutely love whereall of this ties together.
Like there's the places andspaces inside soul rising, where
we're working on the limitingbeliefs.
We're working on our childhoodwounds.
We're working on understandingthe benefit of, the benefit of
having our limiting beliefs.
We're working on how do we seeourselves from new, different

(56:04):
angles, how do we re-script ourlife, Like, how do we build up
our self-confidence, ourself-worth throughout the
program?
Why?
Because it's set up over fourmonths to have one month as each
chakra.
Right, and so we're going tomove through root up to heart.
Right, because this is wherethe work is and it's all

(56:24):
intertwined right.
Like you know, I remember many,many years ago where I was like
I'm just going to teachshamanic journey work, I'm just
going to do a little six weekclass and teach people how to
shamanic journey, and it's goingto be lovely and it had so many
downfalls to it.
Right, because people weregetting in their own way of

(56:48):
being able to be open toallowing the divine and their
imagination to make beautifulstories and their and their
spiritual space of where theyneeded to go in the upper world,
in the lower world, meetingtheir guides, meeting their
power animals.
And so they had all of thesetrick wires all the time of
getting caught up in aroundtheir, their belief in

(57:11):
themselves, and so it was justlike, yeah, never doing that
again.
How can we develop a programthat's really going to work
through all of these underlyinglayers so that they can come out
after four plus months and sayI know I'm worthy, I know I can
do this, I know that if I have aspiritual question, I know

(57:32):
exactly what to do with that.
I'm going to go ask my internalresourcing and go do a shamanic
journey to find the answer.
I know that I'm whole, I knowthat I'm worthy.
I know that I can call back mypower.
I know how to open my eighthenergy field, work on that
luminous energy and heal myauric field.
I know how to feel things, Iknow how to like.

(57:54):
It's just so rich and I reallydo use that word intentionally.
It's so rich so that whereveryou are at, there's going to be
benefit for you.
And I just absolutely love theway we have weaved this program
together, because it has beennow many, many times over where

(58:17):
we have asked for students'assessments and reflections and
we have tweaked and we haveredone videos and we have
curated the content exactly theway we know that it's going to
be optimal for this process,right?
So it wasn't like this one anddone thing where it was like we
never changed it.

(58:37):
No, we have constantly changedit to constantly make it better
and better and better.
And so not only are you gettingpre-recorded videos on these
shamanic lessons, on theselimiting belief lessons, on all
of this internal personal andspiritual development work, but
you're also getting live calls.
So there's gonna be multiplecalls a week.
You come, you submit yoursurvey of when you're available

(59:00):
and I will curate the perfectschedule to make sure every
single student can come to atleast one call a week, and those
calls are two hours long.
But not only that you'regetting pre-recorded guided
meditations and activatingactions and you have facilitator
support and we're gonna checkin with you on a weekly basis
and you're gonna have thosereflections to make sure that
you understand the material sothat if you're falling through

(59:22):
the cracks we can catch youright Like it's so, it's so,
it's beautiful, it's so, such abeautiful program and we have
dozens of students that haveleft testimonials and videos and
just saying what an amazingprogram this is and I just can't
wait Like I'm so excited.

(59:43):
We start here on September 15thfor our orientation week we have
, if you sign up now, you getinto orientation.
Now, you can get a headstartand get into understanding the
metaphysical anatomy andphysiology for the chakras.
You can understand theenergetics of time.
We're going to start working onsome of these layers of our
subconscious that are saying I'mnot worthy, I don't have enough

(01:00:06):
time, I don't have enough money.
We can address those right away, right as soon as you're in the
program.
So kind of bust through some ofthat right away so that you can
fully be a guest at like.
So if you have questions, ifyou are interested, feel free to
come to us, book a call with us.
It's totally free.
We're not going to sign you upif we don't think that you're

(01:00:27):
ready for it or you don't haveenough time or whatever.
It is Like we really have thosecalls to answer any questions
and really meet what your needsare, and so if we don't think
our program is going to do that,we're going to tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
And you know, what I love about this is that we
really do have, at this point,hundreds of students who have
gone through and done this workwith us and, like Christine was
saying, not only helped us makethe program better but
experienced what happens whenyou do the work, when you show
up, when you have theself-awareness, when you work
through your shadow, when youhold space for more magical

(01:01:01):
possibilities and you have thatfoundation underneath it all of
Reiki, of shamanic work, ofconnecting with your own power
and your auric field andstrengthening your energy and
balancing your chakras andhaving these like 35 plus
activating actions for quickways to bring yourself, your
energy back into alignment, andwhen you put it all together,

(01:01:21):
how that really does become thisrecipe for having life feel
magical.
You know, and I think that'swhat I think about every time
people are like well, you knowwho should take the course.
You know I have people ask meall the time like, well, how do
I know this course is for me?
And it's like, if you're thatperson who's feeling like
there's got, like there's gottabe more, this can't just be what

(01:01:41):
life is supposed to be like,like I am so tired of just
waking up and going through themotions, or I'm so tired of
feeling anxious all the time, orI'm so tired of feeling like
I'm not enough, or I have theseideas for this business that I
want to start, or this creativework that I want to do, but I
don't know how to do it, or Ijust feel so isolated and I
never feel connected, or Ireally want to, like, go put my

(01:02:01):
feet in the grass and actuallyfeel something when I do it.
You know, like, if those arethe kinds of thoughts that
you're having, then Soul Risingis the work.
You know, and it's not becauseour program is the best program
although I'm a little biased andI do think that's true and our
students tend to agree with mebut it's because, the way that
we put this together, there isno possible way you can move

(01:02:23):
through the program and notexperience some kind of
transformation or awakening orexpansion, because there's
something for every layer ofyour being.
We're addressing your spiritwith the shamanic and the Reiki
pieces.
We're addressing your mind withthe psychology and the
subconscious rewiring.
We're addressing your emotionsby helping you learn how to hold
space for them and usingcoaching and processing

(01:02:46):
techniques to help them processand rewire and reset your
nervous system.
We're addressing your physicalbody with some of the activating
actions that we have andunderstanding your connection to
the elements and to nature, andwe're weaving it all together
so that it just becomes secondnature.
You know, I think so manystudents walk through and do the
work and come out on the otherside going why haven't I been

(01:03:08):
doing this the whole time?
Like, why has nobody ever toldme this before?
Because and again, I thinkthat's the beauty of shamanic
work, you know, is it is, whenwe look back at the history, it
is our inherent way of beingalive.
It is the inherent, natural waythat people have been
connecting with themselves,nature and the divine for
hundreds of thousands of years.

(01:03:29):
And when we can reawaken thatknowledge in the present, it's
like coming home to yourself.
It's like coming home to thisway of living that does feel
fulfilling and that does feelmagical and that does feel like
it holds space for all of you,not just the joyful, perfect,
shiny parts, but also the heavyand the sad and the angry and
the anxious, and all of it Likebeing able to recognize the

(01:03:52):
beauty of all of that and workthrough it and reclaim your
power and know that you'reworthy in all of those states
and have the tools and have theability to just look at the
world around you and say, yeah,I love it here, you know, like
in the midst of all of the chaos, to be able to look around and
be like I love being alive.

(01:04:19):
If you want to be able to saythat, then soul rising is going
to help you get there, becausethere's, like I said, there is
no way that you do all of thiswork and don't come out the
other side with some kind offeeling of being more connected,
more alive, more expanded thanyou have before, because it it
just, it's just, it's going tohappen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Yeah, and it's really lovely to see people who have
been in the Reiki world for 20plus years.
They've, like there's brand newpeople who have been dabbling
in energy work and they needmentorship, like in everything
in between.
It's a lovely place to come.
So it there isn't judgment.
If you have been doing work andyou are making your own progress

(01:04:59):
and you just need a deep dive,right Like, we have plenty of
people who come to this program,who have done mediumship work,
who have done Reiki training foryears and years and now are
Reiki teachers, right Like, andwe have people who are just
getting started and be like, Ijust came to the awareness of
shamanism and I want to learnmore, and so anywhere, any part

(01:05:21):
of your spiritual journey wherethis is resonating for you,
you're welcome, right, and Iwant to like, emphasize like you
are welcome to come into thespace, regardless of your
background in history, and weknow that the program itself in
and of itself is going to giveyou the things that you need,
whether that is from yourstudents or from Earth, or from

(01:05:43):
the divine, or from the videos,or from mentorship or wherever
it's going to come, you're goingto receive exactly what you
need out of this program andthat's part of the intention.
Like people will sign up forthe course and then call me a
few days later and like I'vebeen crying for three days, I'm
like, yeah, yeah, we're already.
We're already in the containerof the work and we're starting
to shed some of those layers.

(01:06:04):
So you really start to feelthat shift, that bridge
happening as soon as you say yesand things are going to start
shifting in your life and it'salways just amazing and
beautiful to watch the process.
So, if you're interested, yes,we have decided that early bird
will be extended for one moreweek and you can book a call to

(01:06:27):
lock in that price.
If you have questions, feel freeto reach out to us.
We are here for you to answerany questions and we're getting
started soon.
It's just a couple weeks awayand I'm just like I'm so excited
.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, we are so excited.
Orientation classes startSeptember 15th, but enrollment
is open until September 21st.
So if you are interested, sendus a message, get on a free call
with us, ask questions on thispost or send us an email or
whatever it is.
Just connect with us, check outthe sales page, see if this is

(01:07:02):
right for you.
If you feel the call, let'stalk about it.
Let's see if this is meant foryou, and we can't wait to see
you in the program.
We already have so many amazingindividuals enrolled for this
fall class and I am so excitedto get started.
And until next time, may youawaken to the whispers of wisdom
rising from within.

(01:07:23):
Bye everyone.
Thanks for tuning in to today'sshow.
The Wisdom Rising podcast issponsored by Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
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Once again, thank you forsharing space with us today and
until next time, may you awakento the whispers of wisdom rising
from within.

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