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What if the parts of yourself you’ve been hiding aren’t broken—but the very key to your healing? In this transformative episode on shadow work and self-healing, Christine Renee and Shantel Ochoa reveal why shadow work isn’t about battling your “dark side,” but instead learning to love, accept, and integrate the hidden aspects of yourself.

Christine shares a vulnerable story about her own shadow activation around body image, showing how most shadows form before age eight as protective mechanisms. From there, you’ll be guided through a powerful 5-step shadow work process designed to help you heal and integrate your shadows:

✨ Recognize triggers with self-awareness
✨ Meet patterns with curiosity instead of judgment
✨ Practice radical self-acceptance with accountability
✨ Alchemize old beliefs into new possibilities
✨ Integrate through conscious routines and emotional regulation

You’ll also learn how shadows commonly show up in everyday life—through grief, addictions, people-pleasing, escapism, or emotional reactivity—and how compassion can transform them from destructive cycles into sources of wisdom and strength.

If you’ve been curious about shadow work, trauma healing, or spiritual awakening, this episode reframes shadow work as a path to wholeness, resilience, and emotional freedom. You’ll walk away with practical tools and spiritual insight to support your healing journey and reclaim the energy that has been trapped in old patterns.

Whether you’re new to shadow work or seeking deeper integration, this conversation will help you move beyond self-sabotage and step into a life rooted in authenticity, self-love, and inner power.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine René,
isabel Wells and Chantelle Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.

(00:26):
Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy, healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and

(00:49):
balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Welcome back, my friends, toanother amazing episode here on
the Wisdom Rising podcast.
In today's episode, once again,you're getting an exclusive

(01:12):
webinar replay from our ShadowWork 101 community webinar that
Christine and Chantel hostedlast week.
This incredible webinar divesinto shadow work as a topic that
is often misunderstood and veryintimidating, and so in today's
webinar, in today's episode,christine and Chantel are going
to talk about what is and isn'tour shadow.

(01:32):
How does the shadow develop?
Where's the connection to ourinner child, our limiting
beliefs, our subconscious mind,our inner critic?
How do shadows revealthemselves and how is that
connected to the times when wefeel triggered?
And also, how do we heal ourshadow self?
Through self-awareness, throughcuriosity, self-acceptance and
alchemizing the energeticpatterns of limiting beliefs, so

(01:54):
that we can rewrite the storiesof our lives and create more
embodied, expansive routines.
This is once again part of ourSoul Rising webinar series.
You've heard a few of these onthe podcast now, and this topic
dovetails beautifully with ourprevious episode on inner child
healing.
So if you're interested inlearning about the inner child

(02:14):
aspect of shadow work, be sureto check out that episode.
And as with those previousepisodes, today's show does
include references to theslideshow, the chat and the
giveaway.
So if you want to see theslideshow for today's podcast,
be sure to head over to ourYouTube channel.
And if you want the chance tobe entered into a giveaway or
participate live in a chat withour spiritual community, be sure

(02:36):
to check out our spiritualevents page on
moonrisinginstitutecom.
We have so many incredible freeofferings, master classes and
workshops planned for you in thecoming months, so be sure to
check out that link.
It is in the show notes, as isevery other link that we mention
in today's episode.
And of course, you'll hear ustalk about at the end, our soul

(02:57):
rising shamanic reiki course.
Know that classes fororientation do start today,
monday, september 15th, but weare keeping enrollment open
until September 21st.
So if you hear that enrollmentand classes have already started
and you think, oh man, I wish Ihad joined today is your lucky
day.
We are holding the window openso that you can join us during

(03:18):
orientation week and jump rightin to root chakra module with
the rest of our students when wedive in next week on Monday,
september 22nd.
And if you know that you wantto take Soul Rising but it's not
going to happen this year andyou're looking at next year,
know that our next round willmost likely start in February of
2026.
And we are currently allowingstudents to put down a deposit

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or begin their payment plan tohold their seat in our next
round of Soul Rising.
So be sure to reach out to us ifyou're interested.
You can email us at mystics, atmoonrisinginstitutecom, send us
a message on Facebook or joinour Moon Rising Shamanic Mystics
Facebook group, a community ofover 4,500 incredible
individuals walking this workright alongside you, including

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grads who are happy to talk toyou about what it's like to be a
Soul Rising student.
And, of course, don't forget tosubscribe to our YouTube.
Subscribe to the podcast,follow us on Instagram and share
this work far and wide, becausethat's what's going to allow us
to cast this net of light andhealing around the planet.
I hope that you enjoy today'sepisode.
We would love to hear from youand connect with you in our

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community or through email and,of course, we'd love to hear
your top takeaway from today'sepisode.
Shadow work can be deep healingwork, but it doesn't have to be
as heavy or intimidating as weoften think, as you'll hear in
today's show.
So, without further ado, let'sdive in.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Here is our Shadow Work 101 presentation with
myself and Chantel, to kind ofto give you the scoop, the real
deal.
And so, as we start, meet yourteam.
I'm Christine Rene for the MoonRising Shamanic Institute.
I am the visionary, I'm the onewho kind of gets these big

(05:04):
downloads of what we're supposedto be doing and creating the
bigger picture of our programsand offerings and holding the
sacred space for the biggercontainer as well as, like,
bringing in new information,organizing our team, supporting

(05:25):
our facilitators and as well asteaching.
You know, I think we all lovethat aspect too, like I know,
like I know, like I am, that Iwas born to teach this stuff,
like this is my soul's calling,and so I'm really happy to be in
this space to share with youtonight, and I'm so excited to

(05:45):
have Chantel with us as well.
So, chantel, will you just giveus a little snippet about
yourself as well?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yes, Hi everyone, I'm Chantel Ochoa and here at Moon
Rising and so really tuningwithin and to help you to walk

(06:18):
that path and where yourauthentic self is, and so
bringing that forward in manydifferent ways and showing up
for you wherever you need me tocome, but showing up with
Christine and Isabel to reallybring forward a well-rounded
balance between the visionary,the mystic and the alchemist.
So welcome to our presentationhere tonight.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, I'm so excited and, just you know, this is also
a really good time if you haveyour pulsanto, your sage, taking
a nice deep breath, tuning into your genetic self, because
all of us here are in a sacredcontainer, like just knowing
that we are here to learn, togrow, to expand our knowingness

(07:05):
and learning how to take nextsteps on the self-healing
journey.
So welcome, welcome, everyone.
Okay, so for tonight, what arewe up to?
This is what you can expectfrom this presentation.
What is and isn't our shadow soimportant to know?
How does the shadow develop?

(07:27):
How do shadows revealthemselves?
How do we heal our shadowselves?
And we're going to do questionsand answers in the giveaway.
Anything you want to add tothat, chantal.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
I would just say, if you want to take some notes or
write down any questions thatyou have for the Q&A at the end,
that would be really helpful,especially because we just want
you to be able to take it all innow and not try to remember
what it is that you want to askat the end.
Yeah, so just take your notesand we'll get to those at the
end.
Very good, so what is and isnot our shadow?

(08:03):
Our shadow self is theunconscious part of who we are
that we have pushed away, arerepulsed by that we are hiding
from, but is a part of us andare parts of our personality,

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desires and traits that we findunacceptable.
Our shadow is not the habits,the addictions or the behavioral
outcome.
Those are just the cries ofattention from the shadow self.
So we see our shadow self asbeing an aspect of ourself.
It's all of our bad habits, ouraddictions and behaviors that
we aren't fond of, that we tryto suppress, we try to ignore
that we aren't fond of that.
We try to suppress, we try toignore, and what ends up

(08:45):
happening is that these shadowaspects grow and eventually they
will show up, and so when wesee them, it's not ignoring but
giving light to them.
It's integrating them.
It's giving ourselves thatself-love that we need so that
we can find balance within ourlight and our shadow self.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
You know, what's really interesting is tonight is
our full moon, blood moon,lunar eclipse and so.
I feel like right now, right inthis astrological moment, things
are definitely, you'redefinitely feeling it.
I know personally, I have amedical procedure on Tuesday and
I've been like oh hello, shadowover the last few days, right,

(09:30):
and so I wanna give you a verypersonal example of what this
can look like so that you cankind of recognize it in your own
lives.
So for me, there's a couple ofthings going on.
Yes, I have this medicalprocedure coming up on Tuesday,
but and that has got some thingsthat are pulling to the surface

(09:53):
the other thing that's pullingthings to the surface is my
daughter just entered middleschool and I was severely
bullied in middle school forbeing the size that I was.
I was really underweight, Ilooked like very skinny, I was
just very tiny and I was calledthe anorexic girl and everyone
bullied me and I was like myonly member.

(10:14):
Memories of middle school isgetting bullied and crying in
corners and at one point I evenhad an Asian gang trying to take
my life.
You know like it was.
It was pretty, it was prettysevere and right now, with the
surgery coming up and with theweight, that I'm not surgery,
I'm sorry.
This procedure that's coming,I'm not having surgery.
I'm really, I'm not that bad,but it's brought up a lot of

(10:35):
like my body image, stuff oflike, okay, here I am going to
be very vulnerable, and I'mhaving to recognize that, like
I'm going to be in thisvulnerable state and like the
voices in my head are sayingthings like oh, I don't look in

(10:57):
the mirror, you're just ugly.
Or like we would never do that,right, like it's very much
looking down at my body rightnow, because I'm going to be,
I'm going to have to be veryvulnerable and basically nude
for my procedure, right, and sothis, very as soon as it came up
, I was like, oh, this is myshadow, this is the parts of

(11:19):
myself that is pushed away.
I didn't want to look at it,I'm repulsed by it, and now I'm
having feelings of repulsionabout what I look like, right,
and so this and I can trace itback to where it started, right,
so it has emotions, it hasdesires, so it's telling me one
thing, but that's not the way toheal it.
It's asking for attention,right, and so it's not

(11:42):
necessarily the things that I'mdoing, but it definitely is
trying to have this protectivelayer, which is what we're going
to get into next.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
So noticing there is a root cause to the shadow
aspect.
There's a reason why thatshadow is showing up, why the
emotions are showing up for her,why the thoughts are showing up
.
So it's not like it's justsomething that is created.
It's something that hasoccurred throughout your life,
or even if it's just one timethat it occurred, but it created

(12:13):
some kind of an emotionalresponse that triggers you when
something shows up that's likeremind you of an experience in
the past.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Exactly, and so this is how it develops.
It's typically at a very youngage when the conscious mind
hasn't developed.
So before the age of aroundeight years old, we're just open
subconscious, absorbingeverything, and so if someone
says something to you, youusually absorb it.
And so when we have traumas ofrejection, abandonment, abuse,

(12:46):
our experience of the shadowself develops as a
self-protection mechanism tofight, fight, freeze and fawn,
right.
So for my example of beingbullied, I typically would
freeze, I would freeze up, Iwould fawn, I would try to make
myself small, I try to get outof the way, I would try to hide.

(13:07):
You know that flight or freezewas my protection mechanism.
So when it shows up, like rightnow, it's showing up and it's
telling me to don't go, don't dothe thing that you need to do
for this medical procedure,right?
It's saying run the otherdirection.
We are not doing that Right.
And so I'm recognizing, ohhello, shadow.

(13:27):
So, depending on the traumaexperience, the shadow self can
be expressed as differentaspects.
They can show up as inner child, they can show up as your
victim, your saboteur, yourwarrior self.
How is it showing up?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, so recognizing the inner child, the victim and
the saboteur those are fourarchetypes that we all come in
with right and through birth,but what it is is that that is
how you can recognize theversion of yourself that is
showing up as a shadow.
Wendy, are you feeling and howare you feeling like the victim?
How are you self-sabotagingyourself?

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How is your inner childreacting to the trigger or the
response that's going on, if weare having any deep emotional
cords attached to a situation,to people or a memory that can
really charge us in a verynegative way, and so then we
start having the fight flight,freeze or fawn.
Do you want to run?

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Do you want to stay?
Do you want to you know, stay?
Do you want to freeze?
Whatever it is that yourresponse mechanism is.
That's how your shadow is goingto show up, and so it can feel
really sticky.
It can feel like you can't move.
It can feel very much likeyou're stagnant or you need to
move, you need to leave, likeyou got to abandon the situation
, abandon the people, and sothat is when we feel that

(14:55):
emotional charge to our shadow,but we're able to look at it and
say, okay, we can fix thisbecause we can go within ourself
to do it, and so this iswrapping ourself up in the light
version of ourself to be ableto bring forward the healing
that our shadow self needs.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Right, which is still part of our self-protection
Right.
So this is one of the reasonswhy I picked this picture on the
bottom.
It's like she's walking forward.
Her past memories are in thepast and she's trying to kind of
deny those.
She doesn't want to look at it,and that's oftentimes.
What happens is that we don'twant to look at those yucky
places from our past.
Yet their behavioral traits arestill living in our
subconscious and they're showingup anytime that we feel

(15:36):
triggered.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
And I love the one on top because a lot of times our
first bully can be a woundedparent Absolutely, and we don't
look at it like that right.
If we are raised by a woundedparent who's really showing up
as their wounded child, theywill parent from that
perspective in that way.

(15:59):
So a lot of times we werebullied by our own parents and
don't even know it.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, it can develop in a lot of ways.
Right, and we all have them.
And so how do these shadowsreveal themselves?
The shadow often shows up ashabits or traits that are
seeking external validation, andis expressed when we feel grief
, escapism, extreme emotions,addictions, absorbing other

(16:26):
people's energy, opinions,projections, the people pleaser
and like so so much more.
It can show up in a lot of ways.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
It really does.
So let's talk about grief for aminute.
So typically with grief, welook at grief as a loss of a
loved one, but really there areso many different facets and
layers of grief.
It's grief of loss ofself-identity, loss of an
opportunity, a past love andtrauma in the past,
relationships with parents andsiblings, etc.

(16:56):
So these layers of grief don'talways get looked at.
We just think of them as ourexperience throughout life.
But then grief starts to showup in our behavior and our
patterns and those areabsolutely things that we need
to heal through, not justthrough the loss.
And then escapism is when youwant to run and leave and

(17:16):
abandon a situation, even ifit's for your highest good to
stay.
So say, you're at work and youhave a situation with a coworker
and suddenly you just want tocheck out and leave work, or you
want to quit your job, or youhave an argument, you know
something like that whenescapism is because you're
trying to avoid the situationand not look at it versus taking

(17:37):
it head on.
Maybe you don't like conflict,right?
There's fear of conflict and ifyou see it as a conflict you're
going to run.
So escapism is coming back andrecognize we cannot always leave
our situations.
We have to heal through them,we have to work with them, we
have to, you know, collaboratewith the people that we are
interacting with.
Extreme emotions this is that,you know, yo-yo effect, that the

(18:00):
dips in our personality, of ouremotions, where you can go from
one extreme of being happy,high and enjoy, and then you can
be angry and mad and thrown afit.
You know having like your ownemotional tantrum as an adult.
And it's because there's noemotional regulation.
And when you can emotionallyregulate, you can take a moment

(18:23):
to breathe, you can do someself-regulation, some, you know,
tapping of yourself differenttechniques that help you to
breathe, to relax, to giveyourself a moment to respond to
the situation in your ownauthentic way, without blowing
up on the other person.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, it's really interesting when we see our
shadow and where you are at inyour shadow work, because these
are going to start to shift onceyou start doing the work of it,
right.
So when the shadows first revealthemselves, it can be these
extreme emotions and, like, formy example, I've been crying off
and on for two days now, right,Like I just feel like I'm

(19:02):
constantly on the brink of tears, right.
And so I'm like I see you, Isee you and we're going to give
you space to cry and I'm goingto hold the emotion.
I'm going to be around otherpeople who can hold the emotion.
I'm going to give myself grace,I'm going to ask for help when
I need it, you know.
And so we learn how to startworking with our shadow side.

(19:23):
But when we are in suppressionmode, it shows up as addiction.
When we're in suppression mode,it shows up as escapism, as
those blown up emotions, and italso shows up when we start
absorbing other people's energy,opinions and projections.
So when someone else istriggered and they're projecting

(19:46):
on you their stuff, theirshadow side is like, and you,
you then absorb it, you like,okay, well, I'll take that on,
I'll carry it.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
What else do you have to say to that one, chantel?
Um?
So I see it as one.
We one.
We are absorbing others ifthey're projecting on us, but we
can also be absorbing theirs,because we feel like we're not
being seen or we're weak in ourown self, right.
So we're trying to take energyfrom other people so we can feel
stronger, so we can feel inbalance.
But what ends up happening isit's like this falsity that's

(20:22):
occurring within, because ifthat person leaves, you're not
really the one with the ideasand the energy and the opinion.
So we as a lot of times, whenyou're in suppression mode, you
are going in to the externalworld and looking for your
validation instead of goingwithin and asking yourself is

(20:43):
this the right step for me?
Do I need to do this?
Right?
The answers are all within us.
But within suppression mode, wetend to go and seek everyone
else's opinions and answers asour truth, as our validation.
So then you can become a peoplepleaser.
Right?
How many of us are peoplepleasers where you just want to
give everyone what they want sothat the situation is handled.

(21:04):
But is it really handled?
No, it's just a layer uponlayer that we are doing.
We're masking it right or we'rejust putting a band-aid on it.
So it's really noticing whereour boundaries are, setting
those up energetically andverbally, for ourself as well as
others, so that they'll respectwho we are right and as far as

(21:25):
so much more.
There is so many differentaspects that this can show up in
whether it's your mood, whetherit's your mental thoughts.
Mental thoughts is a lot of it,our thoughts, they create our
reality.
So where we are and what wethink about ourselves becomes
our truth.
So we have to change the way wethink of ourselves so that we

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can change into more of apositive aspect of life.
Instead of searching for allthe negativity that's happening
around us, we can focus on themore positive aspects.
And where do we have gratitudein life?
Where are we happy?
Who's showing up for us?
How are we showing up forothers?
Where are we in service?
How are we doing our healing?
And these are all aspects thatstart to show up when you start

(22:08):
doing your shadow work.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, well, and I'm noticing too, like when you can
recognize your shadow and saythis is what they would really
love to hear, and then you'relike you're in, you're, you're
in process, right.
Like I'm now aware that I havemy shadow and I can see what
they need and I'm going to seeif I can get other people to say
it to them rather than yourself.

(22:30):
Then you're still in process,like I'm recognizing that in my,
in my own experience right now,like I want my family, my
boyfriend, I want them to callme pretty right now, because I
don't feel.
I don't feel good about myselfbecause of this shadow that's
showing up.
And when I really tune in and Isettle down, I'm like that's
not going to, that's not goingto fix anything, that's just the

(22:51):
bandaid, right.
I don't want to look in themirror.
Where do I actually need to goto the mirror?
I need to do some mirror workand really dive in deep of
learning how to love myself inall of that shadow, right.
And so that's where we'recoming to next is really
understanding.
How do we heal the shadow?
Self, self-awareness is thefirst step of healing.

(23:13):
I say that time and time again,because when we can be.
Whoa, that was a big emotion.
Where did that come from?
Let's go look back of the lasttime I experienced that emotion,
or the first time I experiencedthat type of emotion.
What was going on there, right,and so feeling ugly about
yourself.
That was not something thatcame up for the first time last

(23:36):
week.
It happened in my childhood,right?
And so, having thatself-awareness of going, I see
where this was born out of.
I can see why she is crying outfor help right now.
I can see why she wants theBand-Aid because it's an easy
fix.
That's only the self-awarenessis only the first step, right?

(23:59):
So then we have to stay curiousand we have to investigate.
We've got to stop ignoring theemotions and pushing them away.
Right, like, my shadow self islike the solution is to never
look in a mirror again and don'tlook like, just don't do it,
like we just get rid of all themirrors and it'll be fine, right
?
That's not a solution.
That's my young, 12-year-oldshadow self trying to not do the

(24:24):
work, right, and I've got to bethe adult self going.
I see you, I see you.
I see that you're going to tryto push this away and we're
going to go do some journalprompts and we're going to go do
some year work and we're goingto go talk to a therapist or
whatever.
It is right, like there's otherways to do it, and really one
of my favorite ways is to do ashamanic journey to my shadow

(24:46):
and nurture them and heal themand witness them and see them in
where they're at, so that theycan feel loved and accepted in
the way that we weren't when wewere children.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
And then we have self-acceptance and loving
accountability.
So when we are going throughthese steps which these are
actually some of my, one of myfavorite ways of going through
shadow work, because you have astep-by-step, you know, you have
your self-awareness, you'recurious, you're investigating
your why and then you haveself-acceptance, so knowing if

(25:19):
your shadow shows up and you'reacting out in some way, this is
not self-punishment, this is notfor you to go blame yourself
and punish yourself and say, ohmy gosh, I know acted this way.
So now I need to give myselfthat self-love and recognize

(25:52):
where it came from and in thatmoment you're able to heal the
timeline of that energy.
So you can take it all the wayback to your childhood or your
younger years, whenever itoccurred.
And through that self-awarenessand that work that you're doing
with self-love, acceptance andyour awareness, you are now
healing that timeline.

(26:12):
So then you're going toalchemize the energy which is
allowing and releasing theenergetic patterns of limiting
beliefs.
So once you start to realizewhat the limiting beliefs are
and that is literally going stepby step, like I see it I see
where it started, why did I feellike that?
And when you start taking thelayers away, you are really

(26:37):
healing that energetic patternand the limiting beliefs.
Then, to get to start to heal,you start changing that I'm not
ugly, I am beautiful.
I am not sick, I am healed.
You know I am worthy not to bebullied.
You know I am strong, I amhealed.
You know I am worthy not to bebullied.
You know I am strong, I am notweak.
You start speaking to yourselfin a way that starts to

(26:57):
alchemize you.
It starts to pull that energyup.
You're raising yourconsciousness, you're raising
your emotional intelligence.
So all these things start tooccur for you because you're
having this self-awareness andyou're bringing it back to you
versus going out to everyoneelse asking them their opinions.
And then you get to integrate.
So once you've done all of thiswork and it doesn't have to be
a long time you can take yourtime doing it, but you literally

(27:19):
can do this in a matter ofminutes or hours.
If you do, once you start toreally learn how to do it, it
can be really really fast.
You're it, it's like it can bereally really fast and you're
like, oh my gosh, I can'tbelieve that.
That came up and triggered meagain.
So when you start to integrate,you now have all the awareness,
it is now setting new consciouspatterns and routines for

(27:41):
yourself.
So then, if you know you havesome routine doctor appointments
that are coming up or someinvestigative doctor
appointments that are coming up,or some investigative doctor
appointments that are coming up,to follow the example that
Christine is using is, then youcan say you know what I'm going
to set some new routines formyself.
Maybe I'm going to do someself-love, some self-care, a
couple of days before theappointment is, you know,

(28:02):
scheduled.
You know meditate a little bitthat morning, maybe take
yourself out for breakfast orcoffee or, if you're fasting,
you know there's certain thingsyou can do, but you're taking
care of you taking a nice hotbath, maybe lighting some
candles, some music, self-love,whatever it is you feel that you
need.
That your physical body needsyour emotions, your thoughts and

(28:24):
everything.
Right, we are looking at wholebody.
So when you look at your spirit, your mental body, your
emotional body and physical, youare looking at the whole
picture of who you are and nowyou can change these patterns,
your conscious awareness to itand your routines, which is
going to help you processwhatever it is that you're going
through.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, and it's really interesting because when we
talk about the shadow self, thepoint is not to cut them out of
your life, to love on them somuch that they feel held and
heard and seen as being part ofyou, right, and so I think
really one of my the biggesttrigger was that my daughter

(29:04):
started middle school.
She's never done that before,so this shadow side of myself
came up recently, not because Ihaven't done shadow work before,
it's just this aspect hasn'tbeen brought forward before,
right, and so at that point it'dbe like it was really like wow,
there's a lot of emotions thatI'm not used to feeling and

(29:25):
experiencing.
Where are these coming from?
Right, like when we can get inthat curiosity phase.
And then now, like I'm doingthe work, I've got the things on
my list to do and I can changethe language, I can alchemize, I
can integrate, I can doself-care.
But if it shows up, let's say,in three months, when my

(29:45):
daughter comes home from beingbullied herself, my inner child,
my shadow side, is going to bemuch more prepared to handle
that situation.
Right, and so this is why we dothe work.
It's not that it's not evergoing to show up again, it's so
that we can honor and love allof the aspects and give us grace

(30:06):
and not have big blow-ups orbreakdowns or whatever it may be
.
However, they like to get yourattention, because that's the
key.
It's like they're trying to getyour attention, to draw your
energy to someplace within youthat needs love.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
It's knowing that your shadow is.
You right, it is, it's us, andso what it is, too, is that,
when we went back from thebeginning of the presentation,
is that our shadow a lot oftimes is the warrior within us,
and it's our shadow that hashelped us get through so many
past situations.
So when it does show up becausethere's a trigger, there's's

(30:46):
something that has occurred.
It's time now to look at it,probably maybe for the first
time.
Right, like she's saying herdaughter's never gone to middle
school, so now she's beingtriggered by it.
So now is the time to look atit and say, okay, I can heal
this and work with this rightnow.
Daughter has an experience.

(31:09):
Hopefully not, but if thathappens, she'll have the
strength to be able to say, okay, we can, we can hit this, we
can do this now, we can takecare of this.
Yeah, absolutely, warrior'sgoing to show up and be like
warrior mom.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right, totally.
Then you're a mama bear andlike that's, it's all going to
work, right.
And so, in the process of yourhealing, like yeah, I had a
massage today, yes, I took sometime to do self-care, I, you
know, like there's all thesethings that you're going to be
like, how can I bring thatshadow aspect into whatever
you're doing, right?

(31:39):
So you need to match theactivity that's going to help
you alchemize with.
The shadow is part of you,that's being, that's asking for
love, that's asking for support,that's asking to be seen, and I
think that's I mean really likewhen we come into it, it's so
beautiful when we can come froma grounded place and being

(32:01):
curious.
So we're not judging, like Ithink that's so key.
We don't want to come into aspace of I'm going to judge it,
I'm going to try to get rid ofit, I'm going to try to push
this, this aspect of me, away.
That's not going to work.
It's going to just keep comingback again and again and again
and again.
Right, so we need to go.
How can I get curious aboutwhat this aspect of me needs
right now?

(32:22):
How can I nourish them?
How can I support them inexpressing their emotions, so
that we can move through it, soit doesn't have to be triggered
every time this thing happens intheir life, right, and so when
we can have that witnessingcuriosity while staying grounded
and centered, that's whenshadow work really starts making

(32:47):
a shift.
When shadow work really startsmaking a shift Because then,
when things come up in your life, you'd be like, oh well,
there's my 25-year-old selfagain, or there's this happen,
and instead of going right intoresponse mode, you're going, I'm
going to take a breath, I'mgoing to sit back, I'm going to
recognize, I'm going to feelinto it, I'm going to take some
time.
And that's when you can movethrough these really quick.

(33:09):
Right, you can have theself-awareness, you can get
curious, you can have theself-acceptance, you can
alchemize and put in newpatterns in place.
You can witness the limitingbeliefs that are showing up and
go.
No, remember, we're safe now.
We're safe now.
I love you fully and completely, and we're going to say this
instead.
Okay, here's the new pattern.

(33:30):
I.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah.
So the goal is for us to beable to have self-awareness
before someone else tells us youknow how many times are you in
a bad mood and someone's like oh, are you okay?
You seem really, you know,cranky today, or you look tired
or whatever, and that justtriggers the situation even more
.
So, having the self-awarenesswhen we get to that place where

(33:52):
we can say you know, I'm feelingkind of grumpy today, I'm going
to go do something, I'm goingto go sit outside, I'm going to
go smudge or whatever, you know,I'm feeling this way.
When we have thatself-awareness, that's that
accountability.
So then nobody else has to cometo us and recognize us first.
We can just go, take care of usand then show up balanced and

(34:13):
centered.
And all of that because that isour goal is to get to that
place where we feel regulatedwithin our emotions and our
experiences.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah.
So in the chat, I would love toknow how regulated do you feel
when an activation, a trigger,an activation occurs Like let me
know in the chat, like fromzero, no response at all.
I'm totally chill.
10, I'm blowing up like whereare you at in your
self-awareness process, becausethen you can really kind of

(34:43):
gauge of like okay, how, howmuch, um, how much am I on my
journey with the shadow self?
Because it is a journey and itis part of you and it's part of
all of you and we have manyshadows.
It's not like there's this oneimage of this is my shadow.
There's all these differentaspects.
It's like looking at a prism ofgoing oh well, there's this

(35:07):
hurt in me and there's this hurtme and there's this hurt me,
and some of them are intertwinedand some of them are singular
and you can see what.
Wow, it feels really heavyright now.
I just want to have that drink,I just want to have that
cigarette, I just want to go tothat, I want to go to the bar or
whatever it is.
What are we masking?

(35:27):
So we're not witnessing andholding space for the hurt to
allow it to move and processforward?

Speaker 3 (35:35):
And a second question to look at is not only where
are you on your emotionalregulation, but how long does it
take you to process and get tothe part where you feel like you
are being regulated, that youare regulating yourself?
Does it take a few hours, takea few days, weeks?
How long does it take you toprocess your emotions and your

(35:55):
thoughts?
Days, weeks, how?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
long does it take you to process your emotions and
your thoughts?
So in mine's interesting like Ican be really self-aware and
I'm in the emotion of it,witnessing it from the
background for days, and thenI'm like, oh, I'm really tender
right now.
I can witness myself in mytenderness.
I want to be.
I want people to create likesafe, nurturing spaces for me.

(36:20):
I want cozy blankets, right,like that's inner child Right.
And so it's kind of like, okay,I am aware of this, I can see
where it's coming from.
Now I need to take the time toactually sit and do the work.
I need a journal, I need to dothe mirror work.
I need to do whatever it isthat's going to help me witness

(36:40):
it fully Like cause.
Oftentimes for me it's like it'sjust in the background, it's an
undercurrent that I can go oh,I see that coming up.
Oh, I see that coming up again.
Oh, it's here now I can't.
I can't just be thisundercurrent anymore.
I can't just be thisundercurrent anymore.
I need to really sit with it,witness it, hold it, and it's

(37:03):
really fantastic if you havesomeone to do that with, and
it's even better if you're notseeking the validation or
permission or all of those otherbehaviors from someone else.
If you can do it for yourself,right, yeah.
And so it's normal to end thebeginning, beginning especially
in the beginning to have avariety of emotions and going
like I feel shame when I'm inuncomfortable situations, right,

(37:24):
when I take responsibility forfailure, even when I was
learning, right.
Then we can go.
When was the first time I feltthat way?
Where did was this, thisemotion birth?
Where was it born out of?
Right?
And so we get to get curiousabout it, right, and we get to
witness how long it takes, weget to witness what your process

(37:47):
is, we give her, can giveherself grace of.
I know that when something comesup in me, I need a day to
process and settle into myenergy again and be calm and
really recognize what'shappening for me before I
discuss it with someone else,like that's a valid awareness,
it's all, but it'sself-awareness, right.

(38:09):
And so this is, this is why Ilove this kind of stuff, because
it's all about personal growthand I'm I'm kind of a personal
growth addict.
Like I love finding thosegrowth edges, I love finding
those places and spaces that I'mlike, oh, and look at this.
This is another area that I nowhave the opportunity to love me
even deeper.

(38:29):
Because when I love myselffully and completely and I'm on
such a deep level, then I canmove through life as, like, kind
of ecstatically.
I get to witness the joy, I getto witness the pleasure, I get
to witness the great things thatare about human life, because I

(38:50):
know how to alchemize all ofthe heaviness and why I feel
that way when I'm.
When I take someone else'senergy on, I can witness like,
oh wow, I noticed how I did thatthere.
How do I want to do itdifferently?

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Very important and it's really important because
what it does is it helps healall of our relationships right.
When people start seeing usshift, they get curious about
why we are shifting and they gostart doing the work for
themselves.
Not everyone, but eventually,if you change enough and do
enough of your own self-care andwork, people are going to start

(39:26):
doing that with you Becausethey can't regulate with you,
they can't match your frequency.
If they're hanging out way downhere and you're raising
yourself up and they're still inshame and blame and guilt and
you know emotions and you're uphere and happiness and joy, they
can't reach you Right.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
So they've got to rise up to you.
That's it Like when people startprojecting their energy on you
and you're like, yeah, I'm notavailable for that, I'm not
available for that.
That's like one of my favoritephrases.
When people start projecting,like, wow, you're projecting
your energy, your pastexperience, your hurt on me and
I'm not available for that, andit just.

(40:04):
It's just, you just cut throughand so then those relationships
fade out because they're stilltrying to use other people as
mirrors instead of an actualmirror and looking at themselves
.
So we have three programs atMoon Rising Shamanic Institute.
We have our Soul RisingShamanic Reiki Training and then
we have the IntermediatePractitioner and then we have

(40:26):
the Advanced.
So know that like, the deeperwe go, the deeper we go.
So now that you guys know whatshadow work is and we've been
able to really distinguish, howdo we recognize our shadow?
What does it show up like?
How do we heal from our shadowsides?
How do we really love on all ofthose aspects?

(40:47):
And I really want to know who'sready to take some action on
this.
This is really important lifetransformative work when we
start to get in the shadow andreally start to accepting and
loving all of who we are Right.
And so part of this work is itlike it matches with shamanic

(41:09):
work, it matches with energywork, and so if you want more, I
want to hear yeses, I wouldlove to see that.
So today we were able to reallylearn that process of how do we
, how do we get to thealchemization point, how do we
witness and recognize that inourselves?
And so I would love to to takeyou deeper on this journey, and

(41:30):
that's within our soul risingonline shamanic Reiki course.
That's our you know the stepone of what we offer at moon
rising shamanic Institute.
We have that's our you know thestep one of what we offer at
Moon Rising Shamanic Institute.
We have a few people who havealready joined and a few people
who have already graduated fromthis program.
So if that's you, I'd love tohear your, hear what you have to
say about your experiences inthe program in the chat box.

(41:51):
But it's designed for everyspiritual seeker looking to
create deep relationships withtheir spirit team.
So I'm sure you notice like, oh, and if you did a shamanic
journey on this, it's going tobe powerful, right?
So we can then have thiswitnessing, this recognition of,
oh, my shadow is showing up,that part of me is showing up
and now I'm developing a spiritteam to go on the journey with

(42:14):
me to heal all of those aspectsof myself.
We're taking it to such adeeper level and so in soul
rising we're learning how toshamanic journey.
We're learning how to activateour spiritual gifts while
developing our intuition,connect more deeply with nature
through ceremony and ritual andlearn transformative techniques
like cord cutting and soulretrieval and so much more like

(42:36):
it's profound because all ofthese shadow work is so
intertwined with inner childwork, which we cover with cord
cutting, with soul retrieval.
It all supports one another inthe healing work.
So soul rising really help yougo from that overwhelmed stress,
triggered empath that we'vebeen talking about, to an
empowered, confident, healed andfully embodied person.

(42:59):
So this is a four-month programand that's, if we take out the
holidays, like we're gonna takea break for Thanksgiving, we're
gonna take breaks for winter,break, for Christmas, and so it
really is like almost afive-month container and the
training takes you step-by-step,easy-to-follow methodology to
awaken those spiritual gifts,trust your intuition, heal your
past traumas, heal your limitingbeliefs and step into your

(43:23):
highest self in a tangible way.
So what we're going to cover insoul rising are things like how
to develop your uniquespiritual gifts, the power of
the subconscious healing fortransformational, total healing.
We're going to go over theanatomy and physiology of your
energetic system and how it allconnects to those energetic

(43:44):
cords, to your soul fragmentsthat you lost long ago and how
to gather them all back.
We're going to talk about theshamanic roots of Reiki and how
to embrace them, how to identify, process, release and heal
those limiting beliefs it's suchan important piece how to
connect with your spirit, teamand intuition through shamanic
journeys, and so much more.
So now I'm not going to pretendthat we're the only experts in

(44:07):
shamanic training, nor am Igoing to say that this is right
for everybody.
There are shamanic trainingprograms out there that's going
to help develop the clairvoyanceand connect with your guides,
but what makes this programreally different is that we
stand apart by empowering you todo the self-source with wisdom,
rather than followingguru-based teachings.

(44:29):
I don't want cookie cutters ofme.
I don't want cookie cutters ofChantel.
I don't want cookie cutters ofIsabel.
I want you to be all of exactlywho you are.
So by the end of the program,you know how to journey to your
questions.
So if you have a question inlife of how do I need a support
on this?
You can go to your spirit teamand you can be have that

(44:50):
self-sourced wisdom from withinyou.
So our approach acknowledgesthat there's no single right way
or wrong way to personal growth.
We offer you an array of toolsand techniques and then you
follow through with your ownpersonal support.
We follow through with all thatpersonal supports that you can
find the best step forward foryou.

(45:11):
We've all done our own healingwork.
We've been in the depths oftrauma, limiting beliefs and
self-sabotaging behaviors, anddone the work to find a better
way of living.
We figured out how to teachthese skills and still the
confidence and find a pathforward that creates lasting
transformation.
We break it down with a clearmethodology to support you,
moving from a people pleaser whocan't put themselves first and

(45:33):
feel stuck on the hamster wheelof anxiety, to a confident and
empowered person who knows theirworth and is connected to their
purpose.
So in soul rising, you'll getthe prerecorded videos covering
the lower four chakras, the seatof most limiting beliefs and
the most healing.
Why?
Because that's where we'vedeveloped our subconscious mind.

(45:57):
You know, that's where it isall absorbed.
So you'll receive the trainingvideos on shamanic and spiritual
coaching techniques to makehealing tangible.
Activating actions we have likeover 35 activating actions to
balance and heal your energy.
Do the guided meditations andworkbooks you'll receive.
There's two or three calls aweek and we base the call

(46:19):
schedule on your availability.
I Tetris this all together yougive me your availability and I
put the call schedule togetherso you don't have to worry that
the schedule is not gonna workfor you.
I'm gonna make sure it worksfor you.
We also have a private studentcommunity and chat so you guys
are available to support oneanother.
So if you've ever felt like anoutcast and can't connect with

(46:39):
anyone, you can come into thisgroup place and everyone is
right where you are.
You all are sharing your ownintuitive visions and things
that you see and how a spiritshows up for you and all of the
weird, wacky and wonderful ways,and you're accepted and
supported in that process andknow that.
If you want to jump on a on acall with me, if you have any

(47:04):
questions, feel free to reachout on Facebook messenger.
You can also talk to Chantel orIsabel with that.
Thank you all so much forjoining us this evening.
If you have questions, pleasereach out to me and we will see
you soon.
Thanks everyone.
Thank you everyone.
Thank you, bye everyone.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
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