November 11, 2025 • 55 mins
Join us for a interview by Shantel to discuss what it truly means to walk the shamanic path with the global awakening and shifts in consciousness happening today, and how to honor our own spiritual journeys with patience and authenticity. Our guest shares messages from ancestral and spirit guides, offering insight on how ancient teachings can guide us toward meaning, connection, and balance in the modern world.
Kathryn Leeman, Ph.D. is a seasoned Spiritual Guide and Director who has spent over 40 years in the metaphysical and healing arts. Recognized for her intuitive gifts from a young age, Kathryn began formal training at the Church of Psychic Science in Scotland, developing her abilities as a clairvoyant, clairsentient, and clairaudient reader.
In this episode we explore:
- The braided way bridging shamanism, psychology, and energy work
- Mentorship as protection against fear and confusion
- Seasonal archetypes for timing growth and rest
- Transmission experiences with the Divine Mother
- Rites of passage and the rigor behind true initiation
- Holding peace and clearing psychic free radicals
- Daily practices for presence and grace
Blending her background in Transpersonal Psychology—a field that bridges spirituality and modern psychology—with decades of study under shamans, healers, and teachers from around the world, Kathryn brings a deeply grounded and holistic approach to spiritual growth.
Through her work, she helps people find clarity, healing, and purpose—whether in relationships, career paths, or their soul’s deeper journey. Known for her compassionate insight and practical wisdom, Kathryn guides others in awakening to who they truly are and living from a place of authenticity and connection.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the podcast of Moon
Rising Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Renee
and Chantel Ochoa as we dancebetween worlds of shamanism,
mysticism, and energy healing.
Each week we illuminate yourpath to self-sourced wisdom and
attune you to the whispers ofwisdom rising from within.
SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
Welcome back to Whispers of Wisdom.
This week we're excited to sharea special episode Awakening the
Soul Through Natural Mysticismwith Catherine Lehman.
In this conversation, we explorehow living a life rooted in
natural mysticism, blended withshamanism, spirituality, and
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transpersonal psychology canbecome a powerful path of
healing and awakening.
It's my belief that naturalmysticism beautifully bridges
the worlds of spirituality andshamanism, creating a way of
life that's both energeticallyvibrant and deeply grounding.
So stay with us for the fullepisode.
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And if you enjoy it, be sure tovisit Catherine's website,
linked in the show notes, tolearn more about her offerings.
Don't forget to like, subscribe,and share with your soul tribe.
Thanks for tuning in.
And now let's step into theconversation of awakening the
soul through natural mysticism.
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Hello, everyone, and welcome totoday's podcast with Whispers of
Wisdom.
And today is our guest, aCatherine Lehman, which I am so
excited to have you here with metoday because we just have a
really deep connection and deephistory.
And so for me, um having thisconversation, this interview
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with you is just it's heartled,heartfelt.
And I'm just excited to be ableto introduce you to my community
here at uh Moon Rising and withWhispers of Wisdom as well as my
home-based community.
And so I just want to give you awarm welcome and allow you to go
ahead and introduce yourselfbecause you just have a depth of
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knowledge and wisdom within you.
SPEAKER_01 (02:14):
Oh, thank you.
So I am very excited to be here.
Um, was very honored that youasked.
And um we've worked together andplayed together, and it's been
it's been a journey, and uh it'sjust so heartfelt, so deep.
So thank you.
I've been on this journey for along time.
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And um gosh, it started back in1973.
Wow.
So it's been a it's been aminute.
SPEAKER_03 (02:51):
It has, it has.
So can you tell us a little bitabout that and how it all showed
up for you?
Because I know that you haveyou've traveled the world and
you've worked with many culturesand indigenous tribes, you've
done a lot of land work andspiritual journeys, and you work
with with Divine Mother and theessence of all feminine energy.
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And I just that really pulls onmy heart.
I love working with you there.
And so, yeah, just let us let meknow how you started, how this
all came to you.
SPEAKER_01 (03:21):
It actually came to um when I was pregnant with my
first daughter, and I startedreading books on pregnancy, and
in doing that, I read aboutmidwifery and I read about uh
spirituality, and things juststarted to come together, and I
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started to have theseexperiences, and I had a a
calling of what her name was.
Some that came to me just out ofthe ethers when I was standing
in the middle of a doorway.
I heard her name as clear as abell, and I could feel her soul,
and it just went from there, andthen I just started having these
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experiences, psychicexperiences, and I just didn't
know what to think.
I was very lost, I was veryyoung, I was very new, and some
people said it was devilworship, and other people were
saying the opposite, and so Ihad a lot of confusion.
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So I did a lot of studying, Istarted reaching out um to a
spiritual community to get myfeet wet and all of that, and uh
started owning my own uh who Iam because I was very psychic as
a child and that got shut down.
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And I went into a very deepdepression and um food addiction
that lasted for almost 20 yearsbefore it all broke open again
and the spiritual stuff, and Iactually saw an attempted murder
psychically of someone and wentinto a spontaneous trance.
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And then my phone rang and ithad happened like it the murder
didn't happen, and it was it wasprevented.
But I then I traveled because Igrew up in the backwoods of
Maine, so then I traveled toBoston to a reputable psychic to
find out if I was, you know,weird out there losing your mind
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or not.
Losing my mind, and so one thingled to another, and then I found
myself in Scotland and goingfrom there in I stumbled upon
the Church of Psychic Science,and they welcomed me in, they
knew who I was the minute Iwalked in the door, which scared
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me.
They said, Oh, we've beenwaiting for you, Kathy.
And I was like, What?
And uh it was part of the EdgarCasey Foundation.
Oh wow from Virginia Beach.
And uh they started training meand working with me, and then
one thing, and I met shamansalong the way and got adopted
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into um a Native American tribe,an indigenous tribe in Southern
California, and went through allthe rites and passages to become
a full-fledged medicine womanand working with shamans and
just one thing after another ledme, as it has you, um, to
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traveling and giving spiritualtours to different indigenous
cultures around the world.
SPEAKER_03 (06:49):
Yeah, beautiful.
I always um find your storyfascinating when I hear it, to
be honest.
I know I don't share that withyou, but I do because it's not
often that you come across likemedicine people that really have
that true essence to theirstory.
And so I always enjoy listeningto yours.
I do want to touch on um whenyou were speaking about how you
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first started getting some ofyour psychic abilities and
receiving um messages and stuff.
Maybe for some of our listenerswho are new to this that are
stepping out of their ownspiritual closet, so to speak,
that how you were able toembrace yourself, like you said,
that you were able to not feelthat you were crazy, but that
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you're actually embracing yourown gifts.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
That is an excellent question because what I highly
recommend, because this is whathappened for me, is I found a
spiritual mentor who did a lotof regression and a lot of deep
work, a very reputable spiritualmentor who took me under her
wing, Dr.
Hazel Denning, and she hadwritten several books, and she
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just schooled me and helped meto develop.
And I had so many fears to getthrough because of so much
persecution from past lives, youknow.
Oh, that's important too, youknow, and all you know, all of
the stuff, and and even thepersecution in this life.
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So I don't believe, I trulydon't, that someone can do it on
their own.
They're not meant to.
This is something, this is sucha deep path.
Our ego can't see the soul ofwho we are.
It's only when we can be ledinto our deep inner self can we
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see the soul of who we are.
So I really recommend finding aspiritual mentor like you, or
like me, or like someone thatthey feel connected with, that
they can begin to discover thetruth of who they really are and
take it from there.
Let synchronistic events unfoldthat will lead them.
SPEAKER_03 (09:08):
Yeah, I really love that recommendation because I
see a lot of comments around ofhow people can do it on their
own and how you know weshouldn't be gatekeepers.
And I don't see being a mentoras a gatekeeper.
I feel that we're we're creatingand building community and
tribes of people to come forwardto support each other, to love
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on each other, to witness eachother, and as well as to be
mirrors to each other.
And so it is important to knowthat you don't need to do it on
your own.
You're not meant to do it onyour own, like you said.
It's really hard for us to knowwho we are when we're trying to
isolate and do it all forourselves.
And I think throughout history,that's what kind of got us to
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where we are now is beingindividual and separate versus
coming together and havingcommunity.
So great, great points.
SPEAKER_01 (09:59):
If we were meant to do it on a by ourselves, we'd be
on a planet all by ourselves,and we're not.
So we're all we're all soulconnected, you know.
What is in the one is in thewhole, you know, the many and
the one and the one in the many.
And you can't separate fromthat, no matter how much the
mind would like to, buteventually it doesn't work, and
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people come around and see that,yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (10:24):
So in your so traveling the world and and
meeting all of these amazingpeople on your journey, I'm
sure.
Um, and now you're you are inthe States and you're on the
East Coast.
And now I met you here inCalifornia and you've traveled
since I've known you.
And um just on a personal noteof how we met is that you have
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been my husband's teacher andmentor and friend for 20, 21
years now.
Is that right?
SPEAKER_01 (10:52):
Yes, maybe a little longer than that, right?
SPEAKER_03 (10:55):
A little longer than that.
And so um, when I came into hislife and I had um my own healing
that I needed to do, and heintroduced me to you right away
as soon as that started showingup.
He's like, This is where you'regoing.
And you were my first uh introto the spiritual realm of
people.
And I mean, I knew of thingsprior to, but that is really
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when my gate opened.
And so um, yeah, and gettingmentored and having taken
classes with you, and we justdid our own one-year um program
together last year of naturalmysticism, and that really just
opened me up to so much that Inow um teach and bring forward
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and is a part of my personalpractice.
So, would you like to talk alittle bit about that, of what
you offer and what you do nowand as your own as a mentor and
teacher yourself?
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
Well, natural mysticism was born out of um
myself working with Dr.
Angelus Arian, who is now anancestor, and she uh wrote a lot
of books, and the one inparticular was The Fourfold Way,
and then studying with peoplelike Carolyn Mace and different
indigenous people, MartineProchtel, and so many different
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uh shamans and the works thatthey've written, and natural
mysticism came about because Iwas told many times in different
cultures that I walked thebraided way, which meant I took
many different modalities and Ibraided them all together from
all over the world becausethey're all saying the same
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thing, but they say it in theirown way.
And so when I could see thecommon thread, I brought it in
and and put it all together.
So natural mysticism is aboutwalking the mystical path with
practical feet.
It's not a woo-woo, as you know,it's not a woo-woo class, right?
It is really how to applyspiritual aspects while you walk
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the earth and how to be inharmony with the seasons and the
archetypes of the season, andwhat are the ancestors saying,
and how to make it practical sothat you don't have to feel a
division between your spirituallife and your practical life.
How can you walk with your feeton the good red road with your
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mind in the blue ribbon road ofspirit, but your heart in the
centered, balanced place ofboth?
And so when you can do that,then you're you're walking in
harmony with your soul path.
And so that's what um I've beenteaching.
I also offer healing heart andsoul retreats, and that's where
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the Divine Mother comes throughand works with people
individually and collectivelyall weekend.
It's a weekend kind of retreat,which we're gonna be putting
together for the spring.
And um many different types ofretreats.
I have stopped doinginternational travel right now,
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uh, taking groups on spiritualpilgrimages due to the
circumstances in the world rightnow.
It's not safe to really traveland do deep work, spiritual
work.
People can travel and go places,but when they find a group, and
I encountered it's the last tripI took, they really, people,
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there are always guards aroundto prevent groups from gathering
or to do any type of spiritualpractice.
So I'm doing them at home now,on our shores, and am creating a
whole new venue for next year.
I'm in the process of doing thatright now.
SPEAKER_03 (14:55):
It it makes sense not to travel in groups, like
you say, instead of doing itindividually or in a small, like
a pairing or something.
Um, because it is important thatwe're still doing the land work
and we are doing our spiritualjourney, because if we're led
and guided to do that, we haveto follow that purpose and
mission within our heart.
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But you're finding it to be ableto do it where you're at now and
traveling here, which alsobrings it energetically across
the world.
SPEAKER_01 (15:24):
Of course it does.
Yeah, and and the United Statesneeds it.
Yes, we do, we need it, and soI've been working for 40 years
coast to coast.
I've been going between Virginiaand California and and tribes
and connecting the rainbowbetween the coasts and been
doing that natural mysticism fora very long time.
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And so many of the East Coasttribe know the West Coast tribe,
and you know, we work togetherand then we all come together at
some point and do some groupwork.
So I'm looking forward to doingthat.
And I'm also opening up toworking with people one-on-one,
like this with Zoom, and in thenatural mysticism way, if the
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and the archetypal way.
I help people to discover whatarchetypes they're, you know,
what their soul contract is andwhat they came in here to do,
and who's their team, who'stheir body of archetypes that's
really working with them, andhow to become more of the puppet
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master rather than feeling likea puppet to life, you know.
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
I love that analogy, and that's it's so true.
And from learning with andworking with you too, that has
been something that reallyopened up for me.
And so being able to providethat as my own teachings because
when you connect all the dots,you know, it's kind of like
that.
It's like put bringing all thepuzzle pieces together.
And as you're talking about thelike the braided way, it is
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because there's so manymodalities out there.
And I truly believe that, youknow, there are some people that
are like, no, you're, you know,doing cultural appropriation and
all these kinds of talks.
And I'm like, I personallybelieve, no, this it's time for
all these modalities to comeforward and come together and
connect.
Because as human beings andspiritual beings in this
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physical body, we need to knowhow we can heal on all levels of
ourselves.
And if that's through thechakras, if that's through the
meridians, if that's throughenergy energy work or shamanism,
working the land, whatever we'recalled to do, that is our
calling right now.
There's just this opening that'shappening.
And so having people steppingforward to say, yes, come and
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learn.
I love that.
And Zoom now is going to openyou up so much to be able to
connect to everyone across theworld, wherever that you choose
to connect.
Um so can we go back a littlebit and talk about your
experience with a mother?
SPEAKER_01 (18:02):
Oh, let's see how brief I can keep that.
SPEAKER_03 (18:05):
Um because I've had many experiences with her at
this point and um and with you,and it just is always so
beautiful and so insightful andon point, you know, of course.
And you feel that shift, andI've been able to introduce it
to a lot of people here in mypersonal community.
So I'm loving that you're ableto share that here.
SPEAKER_01 (18:28):
Oh, thanks.
Well, I had quite the experiencefrom uh, and this was in 1992
with the Divine Mother, um,where I was really um working.
I my PhD is in transpersonalpsychology, and I wanted to
really go to a conference thatwas taking place over in Prague,
which was then Prague andCzechoslovakia back then, at the
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end of the solidarity movement.
And I went, um, I got invited togo, and I went, and um I got a
scholarship so I could go.
And after the conference wasover, and I met a lot of people
from around the world andshamans and healers and
teachers, and then we 13 of usboarded a little school, uh
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broken, kind of a broken downVolkswagen bus, and started
traveling because back in thesolidarity movement, people
would wear armbands with amother's face on them, and the
dark it's called the DarkMadonna because she was
originally dark-skinned, as Itell people, she wasn't any
white girl.
Okay, she was dark-skinned, shewas born in Africa, all right.
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So, um, so we went around takingbarbed wire off, putting pieces
back together, looking at whatyou know, where we could work
with that archetype as well asthe archetype of the green man
came upon a church in Alating,Germany, where there was a
little um, it's kind of likeLourdes in France.
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Um it had crutches andwheelchairs and stuff in the
corner where people had receivedinstant healing.
And this little town had grownup around it.
And I went in and with busloadswere it coming and going, and
when everybody had cleared out,I had hidden down behind one of
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the pews, and nobody was around.
So I snuck out and there becauseshe was there and she had all
these priests' robes on andthings that I I would just
thought, oh she I just wanted totake them off, but I didn't.
I was a good girl.
Um, and I reached my handthrough the wooden fence that
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kept you from touching her, andwhen I touched her feet, an
energy shot through me that wasthe most profound love that is
not humanly possible toexperience between two humans.
You can't, it's it, it's it Idon't know, it threw me into a
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seizure.
My brain had to be rewired.
I sobbed so hard, and I I gotvision after vision after vision
of what I was meant to be doing,and I dedicated my life to her
at that point, and I cried forfour days.
SPEAKER_03 (21:19):
And how old were you at that point?
SPEAKER_01 (21:23):
Gosh, 92.
Um, I'd have to go back andthink and do the math, but I was
in my 40s, so I um I think yeah.
Um so after that, and then I gotthe the little bus was in
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Munich, Germany, and we were onthe streets, and a riot broke
out between the skinheads and alot of people, and I ran down an
alley because there was gunfire,and there was a little side door
that was open, nothing wasmarked, everything was unmarked.
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So I stepped in real quick.
I didn't know if I was steppinginto somebody's home or what was
happening, and shut the doorvery quickly and turned around,
and there was a statue of heragain with all these lit
candles, and I had thatexperience again.
So it was profound and itabsolutely changed my life.
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And so I'd like to talk aboutjust for a quick second, the
divine feminine, because I don'trelegate it just to the mother,
um, like a lot of people.
Um, the majority of people Iconnect with or get messages,
um, have a Catholic background.
So they see her as Mother Mary,and that's fine.
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Some people have been um, youknow, Asian culture and see her
as Kwan Yin, or it's the divinefeminine collective.
There's no one particular being.
There are it's an archetypalenergy where the divine feminine
as a whole, before it becomes aparticular being, has this
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information, has the love foryou know all of humanity and
nature.
And that's what I have workedwith her to expand, to connect
into, and that's what I connectinto and let her love just flow
through.
And as you said, many people inthe room sometimes can feel that
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love coming through.
Yeah, you usually we we passhealth clinics beforehand
because they get used.
SPEAKER_03 (23:43):
I've done both um on Zoom as well as in person, and
definitely in person, the wholespace fills up with that love,
and you you feel it.
There's a shift, there's anabsolute shift that happens.
I mean, and there's a physicalshift within you that occurs and
your voice, and you know,everything kind of has a
different side of you that showsup on Zoom.
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I think people have to reallytune in a little more.
And if they allow themselves,they can.
Um, but we know energy defiesspace and you know, all of that,
however, in distance, but it'sup to the person to truly
connect with the essence of it.
And if you do, it's powerful,you know, either way.
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And so I yeah, like kind of I'vebeen honored to experience it
and and I highly recommend it.
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
I remember, I just gotta share this.
I remember being there with youat the center and getting ready
to do that.
And I really I told you I can'tdo it because I had a bad cold
and I was I couldn't stopcoughing and I couldn't stop
blowing my nose.
And how am I gonna do this?
And I would try and I'd startacting, and I said, Okay, I
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can't do that.
And I heard her so loud andclear, you may have a cold, but
I do not get out of the way.
And I went, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (25:07):
And then she came through and I don't think I
coughed or sneezed or didanything the whole it was funny
because when you were flying in,you know, and I told you, if you
can't, if you're sick, and Ithink you were driving through a
storm on the east coast, and andyou were like, I'm going through
this crazy storm and I'm sick.
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And I was like, if you need tocancel, reschedule, we're good.
And then you're like, let me getback to you.
And then you came back, you'relike, nope.
And you said, she's like, Youhave a cold, I do not, you're
going, and all would be well,and all was.
And then you got there and youwere sick.
And um and the interesting thingwas is we did we set you up.
I had you set up and tissues andall the things, and you did you
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had to wipe your nose and allthat.
And and even the audience kindof commented how they were so
mesmerized by what washappening, they didn't even
realize how often you werewiping your nose and you had
like a pile of tissues rightthere, but nobody even noticed
it because everyone's just inthat energy, which is it just
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consumed you in such a beautifulway.
Because um, unless you're trulyopen in the heart space, it's
difficult.
A lot of people aren't, whichis, you know, we're working on
that collectively right now isopening our hearts to others.
And so when you can be in thespace with a gathering of people
that are like-minded and want tobe heart-based and heart
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connected, it truly is anexperience to endure, even if if
you're not there to channelmother, you know, it's just
gathering to as people, butdefinitely watching you
transform in that, in a sense,because you go into channeling
or trance, like you're both,right?
SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
You're doing I really don't like to call it
channeling because people have achance.
You know, it's I just go into avery sacred space and place
within my own soul, and I ask tobecome the holy grail, the
little hollow bone, and then I'mtaken to a whole nother level of
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energy and completely surrenderand allow that to happen.
One of the things that I thinkwhy people in the communities
when they're excuse me, whenthey're together, um, they
immediately feel safe.
And that's why they're able tocome up and ask the questions
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and get an answer from themother of us all, because
oftentimes out in the world,they don't feel safe.
Like I didn't feel safe when Ifirst started, you know.
So there's uh just this feelingvery safe and very wrapped in
love.
And that's why when she and I dothe healing heart retreats, each
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person gets to sit in front ofme and I come around behind them
and wrap and put my hands overtheir heart and just channel
that energy right through.
Um, so each person gets wrappedin the arms of the mother for a
half an hour.
SPEAKER_03 (28:13):
Oh, yeah.
So that is an intense retreat togo through.
I have not experienced that, theother parts I have, and being
able to ask the questions, whichis powerful, you know.
And I think people, they they'realways like, I don't know what
to ask.
And it's like, well, what isyour what does your heart need?
What do you what does your egosometimes even need to get out
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of the way, you know, so tospeak.
And then they come up and theyask and receive.
And I notice in some it'sinstant, and others they have to
go home and and process it anddo their analyzation because the
mind wants to, you know, do itspart.
And then um the integration isso powerful to witness.
And then they come forward andlike, oh my gosh, like, what
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about this?
And they she said that, and it'sjust like it takes a minute for
some people, but it's okay, it'sa big message.
You're getting it on a soullevel.
We're not focusing on like thehuman aspect, it's coming from
your soul, right?
SPEAKER_01 (29:12):
Just planting the seeds and when and where they
sprout.
None of my business.
It's yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:21):
So when you're doing that, how do you feel?
So you feel like you're pulledout and back you're like
conscious and aware or not?
SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Yes and no.
It's like I'm conscious andaware at a higher level, right?
The mind is more out of the wayfor the the most part, and then
I come back and feel the shiftcoming back into this dimension
because I'm in a completelydifferent dimension of time and
(29:52):
space, um, which really doesn'texist.
And when I come back, I lose 90%of what was.
I might have it initially rightthere for somebody for a minute,
but if they were to call me thenext day, I would have no clue,
no clue what she said to them oranything.
(30:12):
It's completely gone.
It's evaporated.
Yeah.
unknown (30:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:17):
And I think a lot of people who do any kind of work
with receiving messages,downloads from their guides or
for others, it is like that.
Like we're not meant to carryeverybody's messages, otherwise,
we would find ourselves losingwho we are.
So it's important to know.
I think some people feel likethey're supposed to maintain
(30:37):
that, or their clients feelthat.
Like, oh, you said or youremember.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, youknow how many people I've seen
in between, or that was so longago.
But what I personally feel iswhen they start speaking it, I
can pull back in the archive andbring that forward
energetically.
Um, but yeah, no, I don't wantto hold all of your stuff.
(30:58):
No, we can that's why why we canbe the spacekeepers and holders
for others is for that moment,but not for once they leave,
that's for them to go and dothat that work.
SPEAKER_01 (31:09):
So we can walk them to their own gate, but then it's
up to them whether they chooseto go through it or not.
SPEAKER_03 (31:15):
Yes.
Yeah.
It comes back to the free willof what choices you make are up
to you.
And if you walk through the gateand if you don't, you know, like
as in the healing profession andwhat we do and the work we do,
it's not to force anyone to doanything, it's to lead them,
like you said, to that gate andto show them that they carry the
(31:36):
key.
It's all within you.
So yeah.
Um, so going to like when youwere working with shamans and
and connecting with the earthlyrealm and connecting with the
spiritual realm, what do youthink has been the most profound
like part of your journey?
SPEAKER_01 (31:59):
Oh boy, I don't know that I can answer that.
Um because each it's like eacheach tribe I went into and
worked with, um I had a profoundexperience with all of them.
(32:22):
I think when I was working withthe Muscaro Apache tribe, and
what that's the one I wasadopted to, and then I did um a
six-month vision quest uh thatwas very strenuous.
Normally it's only men aresupposed to do it.
But of course, I wanted I wantedboth the masculine and the
(32:44):
feminine and all of that, andthat's how I earned my eagle
feather.
unknown (32:50):
Was I?
SPEAKER_03 (32:51):
Do you want to share a little bit on that?
I've heard this story, and thisis fascinating if it's something
you can share.
SPEAKER_01 (32:58):
You know, you learn you go through different rites
of passage, and you have to gothrough dedication ceremony
where you're dedicated to all ofnature to be the caretaker of
nature, to do all the thingsthat you can do to help Mother
Earth.
Um, and you're taughtceremonies, various ceremonies,
and then you have to learn howto fast and fast in a way where
(33:22):
you have no food, no water,nothing for 24 hours, and then
you keep building toward that,or maybe it's just a plain water
fast to get your body ready togo up on the mountain for three
days and three uh yeah, threedays, four nights, and um you
(33:42):
have to do before that uh you dosweat lodges and you go into
having to dig um your own graveand sleep in your own grave at
night.
And that was tough, especiallywhen it rained and my hole
filled up with water um andfreezing cold where I could
(34:08):
literally, literally hear mybones rattling.
I was so cold.
So that's figure of speech hadto come from someone who had
that experience, and then umending up going through no food,
no water for almost four daysand nights being up on that
(34:32):
mountain and taking all that Ihad learned, building a medicine
wheel, never stepping outsidethe wheel for safety reasons,
but staying in that wheel andhaving to just be there and pray
for your vision.
And um, you know, and then youcome off and you get real close
(34:53):
to death.
I mean, really close becauseyour body starts to be in
ketosis and you're starting toshut down.
Then you have to disperse yourmedicine wheel and walk down the
mountain and meet your medicineman or woman at the bottom, and
they give you um your firstdrink of water, which by the
way, I couldn't wait to get.
(35:13):
And it tasted horrible becausethere was so much detox in my
mouth and my body was oh, it washorrible.
Um, and then they take and theydo a celebration, like a
birthday celebration, um, andwhere people come and it's a
community event because whileI'm fasting and going through
(35:36):
this, the tribe is drinking forme, they're eating for me,
they're dedicating all of that,and then they come at the end
and give gifts, and you know,and I'll ask somebody, okay, who
ate the peanut butter and jellysandwich?
And the hand would go up.
So the tribe was is veryconnected that way, you know,
we're a unit.
(35:56):
But getting that eagle feather,um, and then I got eagle
feathers in the when I was inthe Amazon, I was gifted eagle
feathers um by a shaman thatwould worked with the
headhunters and met with theheadhunters.
I'm very happy to say it.
(36:18):
Obviously, I got out of there,but I don't ever want to go
back.
And and going through, you know,Peru and Greece and France and
Italy and just doing all ofthese sacred journey works, you
know, walking the path of SaintFrancis, or, you know, just
(36:38):
crossing into many differentways of life and worshiping the
earth and honoring, you know,the soul.
SPEAKER_03 (36:49):
Yeah, yeah.
I think it's fascinating.
And I really wanted ourlisteners to hear that because
they think that there's an ideathat when we do this work and
we're taking on our ownteachings, whether it's going
into the depths that you have,or you know, taking classes for
weeks and months and turningthat into years of practice,
(37:11):
it's not easy work.
You know, it's not like you justpick it up and you're, oh, here
I am now.
I'm this master of self.
And no, it's years of dedicationto our own healing, our own
journey, so that we can thenbring that medicine to others.
So, um, and to hear that,because I don't think a lot of
people know what a vision questis, and to hear that experience
(37:33):
is just right.
SPEAKER_01 (37:34):
There's many different types of that, and
that's one of the hardest ones.
Though the ones in the myteacher went through in the bass
culture, that's you have to goout for a year and um take a
knife and a blanket, and that'sit.
You leave and you have to gofend yourself for a year and
hopefully make it back, and youhave to walk through the
(37:55):
mountains.
In the mountains, PyreneesMountains, with all the snow,
and somehow, and you have tosurvive, and but they're
prepared.
Yeah, kind of like when I wasover in Australia, it's the
aborigine culture, you know,sends their boys on a walkabout.
They often say women don't needto do vision quests because
(38:19):
their vision quest ischildbirth.
That's they feel oftentimes thatthat is even harder, the
pregnancy and the childbirth,than going out and doing that.
So they feel they go throughtheir own rite of passage when
(38:41):
they become a mother.
SPEAKER_03 (38:42):
So well, we're the portal of life, and so that
totally makes sense to know thatwe are, and that is a rite of
passage for all women, and toknow that it is a sacred thing
that we're doing.
We're built, we're creating,we're creators, you know.
Right.
Um yeah, so my my closest that Iwent on a retreat um with Moon
(39:04):
Rising to Montana this summer,and we were doing a Lakota sweat
lodge, and that I wasn't able togo in because um I was on my
cycle, and women aren't able togo in.
And so I was a spaceholder anddoing all of that.
And it was very interesting whatI was processing on the outside
for them.
(39:25):
So it's all interconnected, andthen when it was all said and
done, and all the women, I thinkthey went through four or five
different um heats, like thestones being brought in.
SPEAKER_01 (39:38):
Yeah, I did the Lakota sweats.
I mean, I haven't done it wellbecause I can't find one
anymore, but that's the one Ido.
SPEAKER_03 (39:45):
Yeah, and so at the end of that, I was smudging, and
then I walked over to the fire,and this energy just came up and
I started working, I wastransmuting, I was processing it
from above and below, and justdoing the cycle and the the
shaman that came out.
I could hear her, and my eyeswere closed, and she was like,
Oh my gosh, what is she doing?
It's so powerful because it wasjust this building.
(40:08):
And then when I looked, Ifinally opened my eyes, they
were all standing around, and Iwas like, Oh my gosh.
And I'm like, lift your arms up,feel into it.
It was so beautiful, sopowerful.
And um, yeah, so whether you'rein it or out, like we're you're
all connected, right?
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (40:26):
I also feel like Baba Yaga fire.
Well, we did uh I used to do alot of medicine woman retreats
with the sweat lodge, the Anepeup in Big Bear, um up in the
mountains in Big Bear.
SPEAKER_03 (40:40):
Uh and uh, you know, we would call them Baba Yaga
fires and we would just you knowdo typical and I know we've
talked about create having ourown retreat with that, you know,
with our tribe, and and thatwould be wonderful to do.
So yeah.
Um let's see, I have anotherquestion.
(41:00):
So with um everything, as we'vekind of touched on the
collective and where we are andeverything.
What, if any, do you like anyadvice you have for people as we
are, you know, feeling I feellike our can our culture, our
country is very divided, right?
Obviously.
(41:21):
And so there's those who canreally hold the space for it.
And I know, like for me, youtell people, you know, you can't
feed fear with fear.
You gotta do the opposite of thespectrum, you gotta give it
courage and love and compassionto really bring in that balance.
And then there's others that getso consumed by fear or anger and
(41:41):
everything.
And so, what's your advice forfor people that are listening?
SPEAKER_01 (41:48):
Well, that is to really stay connected to your
own inner peace.
There's a place in us, ineveryone, that is uh a divine
spark.
We're create well, that createddivine spark is within us.
And to connect with that andstay connected to nature.
(42:12):
And as we stay connected tonature, we don't absorb the
psychic free radicals.
There's so much psychic freeradicals that are affecting our
health.
We're not only getting them fromour country, but we're getting
them worldwide, you know, fromall the devastations that are
happening, from the wars thatare happening.
(42:33):
We're feeling all those psychicfree radicals.
And that's the part where wehave to become aware of
cleansing our own aura, our ownmorphogenetic field, becoming
very aware we are a quantumfield.
And I work a lot with quantumphysics, as you know, and um we
(42:56):
have to understand that we haveto be in control of it and help
to eradicate all of that, thatthose psychic free radicals,
because we don't serve anything.
If we're if we're caught up inthe fear, we're adding to the
fear.
But if we can hold and pray forgrace, that's my biggest advice.
(43:22):
No matter what how much fearyou're feeling or anger, ask for
the grace to be able to comethrough and help transmute it
for you.
If I had one word to givesomeone, it's grace.
It's not love, it's not peace,it's grace.
And grace doesn't always come ina sweet little yummy form.
(43:45):
Sometimes grace is an arrow thatwill be given from the heart of
the divine to shatter whateverthat anger is, to shatter, and
that's an act of grace, too, youknow.
So ask for the grace to be ableto handle whatever's going on.
And every morning when you wakeup, ask, you know, do uh
(44:08):
self-cradling with one hand overyour heart and one hand over
your stomach, and and ask, whatis my internal resource for
today?
You don't need to think aboutthe day.
Psychically tune in and say,okay, I really don't know how my
day is going to unfold, butwhat's the internal resource am
I going to need?
Is it courage?
(44:28):
Is it happiness?
Is it strength?
Is it um it could be anything?
It could, what's the word, theemotional word that you need?
It's like somebody drawing anangel card, or you know, that's
an internal resource.
What is it for today?
And you'll see that word poppingup everywhere.
(44:49):
You'll hear people talking andusing that word, and you'll see
you're in a state of grace whenyou're hearing that, and that
you're connected and you'rebringing that.
People need to learn how to be ahollow bone so that they can
bring in that grace, and thenthe love and the light, the
laughter, the peace can begin tochannel through, and you don't
(45:09):
even need to say anything, youcan just stand in a room and be
the presence.
You don't have to fix it, youdon't have to try to change
anybody, especially if no one'sasking for your opinion about
anything.
Don't volunteer because you knowthat's where you set yourself
up.
(45:29):
So if if you step back, youknow, if people can step back
and just be present and presentwith all four intelligences,
physically, mentally,emotionally, and spiritually, be
present, be in your own littlesacred hoop.
Think of a hula hoop and be inthe center of that hula hoop and
(45:50):
don't let anything come insideit.
Um, people will find that theycan actually walk into a room
and people all of a sudden theirconversations will change.
People might even look at youand wonder, who's that?
And then the energy shifts inthe room.
And that's the best way to doit, without having to say
(46:15):
anything, without having to doanything, but just to simply be.
SPEAKER_03 (46:22):
Yes, yeah, it's walking in and being that sacred
witness and understanding whatthat means, and to be able, like
you're saying, standing your ownsacred hoop and being present is
such a powerful way to show up.
And you don't you can witnessall the chaos or the
conversations, what's going onaround you, but you do not need
(46:43):
to hook into it, you do not needto plug in, you can just be and
holding that space is sopowerful because people will
feel the shift.
They feel that light come in,they feel that energy come in,
and it just it's almost like itjust totally offsets it.
Suddenly it's like, ooh, let'sjust calm down for a minute, and
you don't even have to say that,just the presence is one of the
(47:07):
um workshops that I'm puttingtogether for next year, uh
weekend retreat, is how to dothat um by using the archetypes
of the Wizard of Oz.
SPEAKER_01 (47:18):
Oh, all right.
Find your own yellow brick road,yeah and claim your power, your
love, and your wisdom, and getrid of the monkey mind, you
know, the flying monkeys, and uhhaving a great time starting to
put that together.
It's gonna be a lot of fun, butit will be very transformative
too.
SPEAKER_03 (47:37):
Do you know where you're planning on having that?
SPEAKER_01 (47:39):
No, I'm still waiting for the spaces to show
up.
SPEAKER_03 (47:42):
So yeah, I have a few.
I have a few in mind.
One here, Montana.
Like I have a few, so definitelywe can talk and um and give that
out too.
So yeah.
Is there anything else that youwould like to share as we start
to wrap up our conversation?
(48:03):
I really feel that um I just Ilove what you bring forward.
So this was a greatconversation, and I think that a
lot of people are really gonna,those seeds have been planted,
I'm gonna say.
And I I feel that there will bea big growth and transformation
for people just listening tothis conversation.
They may not have always heardor before.
(48:25):
If we can touch for people, andwe kind of did a little bit, but
those who are awakening rightnow, they can step into some of
these teachings that you'retalking about right away.
SPEAKER_01 (48:35):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Listening, doing the internalresource, practicing, breath
work.
Notice how many times theirtongue is on the roof of their
mouth, because when the tongueis on the roof of the mouth,
they're in fight or flight.
And so if they relax theirbelly, drop their shoulders,
drop their tongue, they're gonnaimmediately go into a quiet mind
(48:57):
and more of a state of peace.
It'll be more peaceful.
And just breathe, just take deepbreaths.
Yes, that's you know, there area lot of simple tools.
Like I said, I really think youknow, we are here and we're
available as spiritual guidesand mentors, and that's our main
purpose, and that's what we'rehere to do.
(49:20):
And um just need to makecontact.
SPEAKER_03 (49:24):
Yeah, yes, and so I do I have your contact
information in our show notes,so our listeners can definitely
reach out to you and go throughyour website and see what
services that you offer and umhow they can communicate with
you and connect with you throughZoom.
You know, if they're not localon the East Coast, they can
(49:45):
definitely reach out to youhere, email you.
Um, is there anything that youare offering right now that you
would like them to know?
That's kind of like right nowthey can contact you for.
SPEAKER_01 (49:57):
No, just the one-on-one right now.
Um, as we go into the wintermonths, that's a time to really
come in if you're in harmonywith nature.
And that's where you startcreating the seeds for the
following year.
So during the winter months, Idon't do retreats, groups,
(50:19):
things like that.
But when it's spring andeverything's blossoming and
blooming, that's a time to bringwhat incubated over the winter
forward.
But I do do one-on-one and I doFaceTime.
If people don't have Zoom, wecan do FaceTime, or we just do
phone.
Some people don't want to atfirst be seen, and so that's
(50:41):
fine.
We just connect to the phone.
So whatever works for someone.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (50:46):
You also do biofeedback, which is one of my
best like most referrals to youbecause of the scan and
everything that they receive aswell.
Do you want to touch on that fora minute or two?
SPEAKER_01 (50:58):
Real briefly, it's listed on my um website, but the
biofeedback I use originallycame out of NASA.
And unfortunately, it's gonethrough different upgrades over
the years.
The biofeedback program saved mylife when I was given six weeks
to six months left to live.
(51:18):
Somebody introduced me tobiofeedback, and the woman were
I was in the mountains inrunning springs, and she was in
Ontario, California, and shekept sending me frequencies for
healing through the biofeedback.
And within three months, I wasback to work and I'm still here.
And so biofeedback uh reads 62million bits of information on
(51:42):
you in three and a half minutesto determine physically,
mentally, emotionally, andspiritually what is out of
balance and what needs to comeinto balance and to clean karma
off, to clean and balance aurasand chakras, to help the body
come back into balance.
It doesn't override your system.
If somebody needed a boost totheir liver, it would send
(52:05):
frequencies to the liver to wakethe liver up to do its job, that
sort of thing.
So nothing overpowers the body,and there's no harm that can be
done.
Because if, for instance, theliver didn't want to be worked
on that day, it would say that.
And it and we go and we would dosomething else.
A little alarm would come up andsay, Oh, okay, we're not gonna
(52:26):
touch this today, we're gonna goover here.
And so it and it works on theemotions.
What emotions is are coming up?
How can we clear them?
What's going on?
And it's very, very powerful.
I work with it.
Um, like I said, I've beenworking with it for 20 almost 24
(52:48):
years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (52:50):
I love those.
SPEAKER_01 (52:52):
Yeah, it's all remote, and people people do
feel them.
Yeah, oh yeah, you do feel them.
And generally, what they feel isso relaxed because it's FDA
approved as a stress reliever.
SPEAKER_03 (53:05):
So it really because stress creates all of the
imbalances in our body, so youfeel so much more relaxed when
it's yeah, you know, it'sinteresting because as a Reiki
practitioner and and shamanicpractitioner, you know, because
I can journey and travel intothe body and do all those things
(53:26):
and see in the quantum and allthat.
But when I receive thebiofeedback, it feels very
similar because I'm very in tunephysically.
So I'll tell you, okay, you'reworking on my emotions, and then
I'll feel like I'm gonna cry.
You know, I've told you that.
And you're like, you're you'reso sensitive.
But then you get the the reportback, and that's I think for a
(53:47):
lot of people who are in thehead, you know, like they it
they need that too.
You know, it brings in both.
You get the spiritual and thenyou get the the machine.
So very good, very good.
Um, so I do want to wrap up ourconversation and I want to give
you great things.
And I do want to um ask youpossibly to come back and maybe
do a channeling with mother atsome point to see if there's a
(54:11):
collective message from thatlevel.
But um definitely like Iappreciate your time and all of
your wisdom.
And um, I hope to see you backhere again.
SPEAKER_01 (54:23):
Well, I give great thanks for this opportunity to
see your lovely face and um usshare our energy again.
And I give great thanks that youasked, and we were able to make
it work out.
SPEAKER_03 (54:36):
I know, huh?
Again, certain odds.
It was very interesting with theinternet this morning.
We're like, we're gonna meet at10.
We kept trying to switch it, andit was like, nope, then 10
o'clock, it worked.
So I give thanks to you,Catherine, and we will see you
soon.
All right.
Blessings.
SPEAKER_00 (54:54):
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SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
Welcome back to Whispers of Wisdom.
This week we're excited to sharea special episode Awakening the
Soul Through Natural Mysticismwith Catherine Lehman.
In this conversation, we explorehow living a life rooted in
natural mysticism, blended withshamanism, spirituality, and
(00:45):
transpersonal psychology canbecome a powerful path of
healing and awakening.
It's my belief that naturalmysticism beautifully bridges
the worlds of spirituality andshamanism, creating a way of
life that's both energeticallyvibrant and deeply grounding.
So stay with us for the fullepisode.
(01:07):
And if you enjoy it, be sure tovisit Catherine's website,
linked in the show notes, tolearn more about her offerings.
Don't forget to like, subscribe,and share with your soul tribe.
Thanks for tuning in.
And now let's step into theconversation of awakening the
soul through natural mysticism.
(01:28):
Hello, everyone, and welcome totoday's podcast with Whispers of
Wisdom.
And today is our guest, aCatherine Lehman, which I am so
excited to have you here with metoday because we just have a
really deep connection and deephistory.
And so for me, um having thisconversation, this interview
(01:49):
with you is just it's heartled,heartfelt.
And I'm just excited to be ableto introduce you to my community
here at uh Moon Rising and withWhispers of Wisdom as well as my
home-based community.
And so I just want to give you awarm welcome and allow you to go
ahead and introduce yourselfbecause you just have a depth of
(02:11):
knowledge and wisdom within you.
SPEAKER_01 (02:14):
Oh, thank you.
So I am very excited to be here.
Um, was very honored that youasked.
And um we've worked together andplayed together, and it's been
it's been a journey, and uh it'sjust so heartfelt, so deep.
So thank you.
I've been on this journey for along time.
(02:37):
And um gosh, it started back in1973.
Wow.
So it's been a it's been aminute.
SPEAKER_03 (02:51):
It has, it has.
So can you tell us a little bitabout that and how it all showed
up for you?
Because I know that you haveyou've traveled the world and
you've worked with many culturesand indigenous tribes, you've
done a lot of land work andspiritual journeys, and you work
with with Divine Mother and theessence of all feminine energy.
(03:12):
And I just that really pulls onmy heart.
I love working with you there.
And so, yeah, just let us let meknow how you started, how this
all came to you.
SPEAKER_01 (03:21):
It actually came to um when I was pregnant with my
first daughter, and I startedreading books on pregnancy, and
in doing that, I read aboutmidwifery and I read about uh
spirituality, and things juststarted to come together, and I
(03:45):
started to have theseexperiences, and I had a a
calling of what her name was.
Some that came to me just out ofthe ethers when I was standing
in the middle of a doorway.
I heard her name as clear as abell, and I could feel her soul,
and it just went from there, andthen I just started having these
(04:07):
experiences, psychicexperiences, and I just didn't
know what to think.
I was very lost, I was veryyoung, I was very new, and some
people said it was devilworship, and other people were
saying the opposite, and so Ihad a lot of confusion.
(04:28):
So I did a lot of studying, Istarted reaching out um to a
spiritual community to get myfeet wet and all of that, and uh
started owning my own uh who Iam because I was very psychic as
a child and that got shut down.
(04:48):
And I went into a very deepdepression and um food addiction
that lasted for almost 20 yearsbefore it all broke open again
and the spiritual stuff, and Iactually saw an attempted murder
psychically of someone and wentinto a spontaneous trance.
(05:13):
And then my phone rang and ithad happened like it the murder
didn't happen, and it was it wasprevented.
But I then I traveled because Igrew up in the backwoods of
Maine, so then I traveled toBoston to a reputable psychic to
find out if I was, you know,weird out there losing your mind
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or not.
Losing my mind, and so one thingled to another, and then I found
myself in Scotland and goingfrom there in I stumbled upon
the Church of Psychic Science,and they welcomed me in, they
knew who I was the minute Iwalked in the door, which scared
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me.
They said, Oh, we've beenwaiting for you, Kathy.
And I was like, What?
And uh it was part of the EdgarCasey Foundation.
Oh wow from Virginia Beach.
And uh they started training meand working with me, and then
one thing, and I met shamansalong the way and got adopted
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into um a Native American tribe,an indigenous tribe in Southern
California, and went through allthe rites and passages to become
a full-fledged medicine womanand working with shamans and
just one thing after another ledme, as it has you, um, to
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traveling and giving spiritualtours to different indigenous
cultures around the world.
SPEAKER_03 (06:49):
Yeah, beautiful.
I always um find your storyfascinating when I hear it, to
be honest.
I know I don't share that withyou, but I do because it's not
often that you come across likemedicine people that really have
that true essence to theirstory.
And so I always enjoy listeningto yours.
I do want to touch on um whenyou were speaking about how you
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first started getting some ofyour psychic abilities and
receiving um messages and stuff.
Maybe for some of our listenerswho are new to this that are
stepping out of their ownspiritual closet, so to speak,
that how you were able toembrace yourself, like you said,
that you were able to not feelthat you were crazy, but that
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you're actually embracing yourown gifts.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
That is an excellent question because what I highly
recommend, because this is whathappened for me, is I found a
spiritual mentor who did a lotof regression and a lot of deep
work, a very reputable spiritualmentor who took me under her
wing, Dr.
Hazel Denning, and she hadwritten several books, and she
(08:01):
just schooled me and helped meto develop.
And I had so many fears to getthrough because of so much
persecution from past lives, youknow.
Oh, that's important too, youknow, and all you know, all of
the stuff, and and even thepersecution in this life.
(08:21):
So I don't believe, I trulydon't, that someone can do it on
their own.
They're not meant to.
This is something, this is sucha deep path.
Our ego can't see the soul ofwho we are.
It's only when we can be ledinto our deep inner self can we
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see the soul of who we are.
So I really recommend finding aspiritual mentor like you, or
like me, or like someone thatthey feel connected with, that
they can begin to discover thetruth of who they really are and
take it from there.
Let synchronistic events unfoldthat will lead them.
SPEAKER_03 (09:08):
Yeah, I really love that recommendation because I
see a lot of comments around ofhow people can do it on their
own and how you know weshouldn't be gatekeepers.
And I don't see being a mentoras a gatekeeper.
I feel that we're we're creatingand building community and
tribes of people to come forwardto support each other, to love
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on each other, to witness eachother, and as well as to be
mirrors to each other.
And so it is important to knowthat you don't need to do it on
your own.
You're not meant to do it onyour own, like you said.
It's really hard for us to knowwho we are when we're trying to
isolate and do it all forourselves.
And I think throughout history,that's what kind of got us to
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where we are now is beingindividual and separate versus
coming together and havingcommunity.
So great, great points.
SPEAKER_01 (09:59):
If we were meant to do it on a by ourselves, we'd be
on a planet all by ourselves,and we're not.
So we're all we're all soulconnected, you know.
What is in the one is in thewhole, you know, the many and
the one and the one in the many.
And you can't separate fromthat, no matter how much the
mind would like to, buteventually it doesn't work, and
(10:20):
people come around and see that,yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (10:24):
So in your so traveling the world and and
meeting all of these amazingpeople on your journey, I'm
sure.
Um, and now you're you are inthe States and you're on the
East Coast.
And now I met you here inCalifornia and you've traveled
since I've known you.
And um just on a personal noteof how we met is that you have
(10:46):
been my husband's teacher andmentor and friend for 20, 21
years now.
Is that right?
SPEAKER_01 (10:52):
Yes, maybe a little longer than that, right?
SPEAKER_03 (10:55):
A little longer than that.
And so um, when I came into hislife and I had um my own healing
that I needed to do, and heintroduced me to you right away
as soon as that started showingup.
He's like, This is where you'regoing.
And you were my first uh introto the spiritual realm of
people.
And I mean, I knew of thingsprior to, but that is really
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when my gate opened.
And so um, yeah, and gettingmentored and having taken
classes with you, and we justdid our own one-year um program
together last year of naturalmysticism, and that really just
opened me up to so much that Inow um teach and bring forward
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and is a part of my personalpractice.
So, would you like to talk alittle bit about that, of what
you offer and what you do nowand as your own as a mentor and
teacher yourself?
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
Well, natural mysticism was born out of um
myself working with Dr.
Angelus Arian, who is now anancestor, and she uh wrote a lot
of books, and the one inparticular was The Fourfold Way,
and then studying with peoplelike Carolyn Mace and different
indigenous people, MartineProchtel, and so many different
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uh shamans and the works thatthey've written, and natural
mysticism came about because Iwas told many times in different
cultures that I walked thebraided way, which meant I took
many different modalities and Ibraided them all together from
all over the world becausethey're all saying the same
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thing, but they say it in theirown way.
And so when I could see thecommon thread, I brought it in
and and put it all together.
So natural mysticism is aboutwalking the mystical path with
practical feet.
It's not a woo-woo, as you know,it's not a woo-woo class, right?
It is really how to applyspiritual aspects while you walk
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the earth and how to be inharmony with the seasons and the
archetypes of the season, andwhat are the ancestors saying,
and how to make it practical sothat you don't have to feel a
division between your spirituallife and your practical life.
How can you walk with your feeton the good red road with your
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mind in the blue ribbon road ofspirit, but your heart in the
centered, balanced place ofboth?
And so when you can do that,then you're you're walking in
harmony with your soul path.
And so that's what um I've beenteaching.
I also offer healing heart andsoul retreats, and that's where
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the Divine Mother comes throughand works with people
individually and collectivelyall weekend.
It's a weekend kind of retreat,which we're gonna be putting
together for the spring.
And um many different types ofretreats.
I have stopped doinginternational travel right now,
(14:12):
uh, taking groups on spiritualpilgrimages due to the
circumstances in the world rightnow.
It's not safe to really traveland do deep work, spiritual
work.
People can travel and go places,but when they find a group, and
I encountered it's the last tripI took, they really, people,
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there are always guards aroundto prevent groups from gathering
or to do any type of spiritualpractice.
So I'm doing them at home now,on our shores, and am creating a
whole new venue for next year.
I'm in the process of doing thatright now.
SPEAKER_03 (14:55):
It it makes sense not to travel in groups, like
you say, instead of doing itindividually or in a small, like
a pairing or something.
Um, because it is important thatwe're still doing the land work
and we are doing our spiritualjourney, because if we're led
and guided to do that, we haveto follow that purpose and
mission within our heart.
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But you're finding it to be ableto do it where you're at now and
traveling here, which alsobrings it energetically across
the world.
SPEAKER_01 (15:24):
Of course it does.
Yeah, and and the United Statesneeds it.
Yes, we do, we need it, and soI've been working for 40 years
coast to coast.
I've been going between Virginiaand California and and tribes
and connecting the rainbowbetween the coasts and been
doing that natural mysticism fora very long time.
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And so many of the East Coasttribe know the West Coast tribe,
and you know, we work togetherand then we all come together at
some point and do some groupwork.
So I'm looking forward to doingthat.
And I'm also opening up toworking with people one-on-one,
like this with Zoom, and in thenatural mysticism way, if the
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and the archetypal way.
I help people to discover whatarchetypes they're, you know,
what their soul contract is andwhat they came in here to do,
and who's their team, who'stheir body of archetypes that's
really working with them, andhow to become more of the puppet
(16:33):
master rather than feeling likea puppet to life, you know.
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
I love that analogy, and that's it's so true.
And from learning with andworking with you too, that has
been something that reallyopened up for me.
And so being able to providethat as my own teachings because
when you connect all the dots,you know, it's kind of like
that.
It's like put bringing all thepuzzle pieces together.
And as you're talking about thelike the braided way, it is
(16:59):
because there's so manymodalities out there.
And I truly believe that, youknow, there are some people that
are like, no, you're, you know,doing cultural appropriation and
all these kinds of talks.
And I'm like, I personallybelieve, no, this it's time for
all these modalities to comeforward and come together and
connect.
Because as human beings andspiritual beings in this
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physical body, we need to knowhow we can heal on all levels of
ourselves.
And if that's through thechakras, if that's through the
meridians, if that's throughenergy energy work or shamanism,
working the land, whatever we'recalled to do, that is our
calling right now.
There's just this opening that'shappening.
And so having people steppingforward to say, yes, come and
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learn.
I love that.
And Zoom now is going to openyou up so much to be able to
connect to everyone across theworld, wherever that you choose
to connect.
Um so can we go back a littlebit and talk about your
experience with a mother?
SPEAKER_01 (18:02):
Oh, let's see how brief I can keep that.
SPEAKER_03 (18:05):
Um because I've had many experiences with her at
this point and um and with you,and it just is always so
beautiful and so insightful andon point, you know, of course.
And you feel that shift, andI've been able to introduce it
to a lot of people here in mypersonal community.
So I'm loving that you're ableto share that here.
SPEAKER_01 (18:28):
Oh, thanks.
Well, I had quite the experiencefrom uh, and this was in 1992
with the Divine Mother, um,where I was really um working.
I my PhD is in transpersonalpsychology, and I wanted to
really go to a conference thatwas taking place over in Prague,
which was then Prague andCzechoslovakia back then, at the
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end of the solidarity movement.
And I went, um, I got invited togo, and I went, and um I got a
scholarship so I could go.
And after the conference wasover, and I met a lot of people
from around the world andshamans and healers and
teachers, and then we 13 of usboarded a little school, uh
(19:12):
broken, kind of a broken downVolkswagen bus, and started
traveling because back in thesolidarity movement, people
would wear armbands with amother's face on them, and the
dark it's called the DarkMadonna because she was
originally dark-skinned, as Itell people, she wasn't any
white girl.
Okay, she was dark-skinned, shewas born in Africa, all right.
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So, um, so we went around takingbarbed wire off, putting pieces
back together, looking at whatyou know, where we could work
with that archetype as well asthe archetype of the green man
came upon a church in Alating,Germany, where there was a
little um, it's kind of likeLourdes in France.
(19:58):
Um it had crutches andwheelchairs and stuff in the
corner where people had receivedinstant healing.
And this little town had grownup around it.
And I went in and with busloadswere it coming and going, and
when everybody had cleared out,I had hidden down behind one of
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the pews, and nobody was around.
So I snuck out and there becauseshe was there and she had all
these priests' robes on andthings that I I would just
thought, oh she I just wanted totake them off, but I didn't.
I was a good girl.
Um, and I reached my handthrough the wooden fence that
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kept you from touching her, andwhen I touched her feet, an
energy shot through me that wasthe most profound love that is
not humanly possible toexperience between two humans.
You can't, it's it, it's it Idon't know, it threw me into a
(21:04):
seizure.
My brain had to be rewired.
I sobbed so hard, and I I gotvision after vision after vision
of what I was meant to be doing,and I dedicated my life to her
at that point, and I cried forfour days.
SPEAKER_03 (21:19):
And how old were you at that point?
SPEAKER_01 (21:23):
Gosh, 92.
Um, I'd have to go back andthink and do the math, but I was
in my 40s, so I um I think yeah.
Um so after that, and then I gotthe the little bus was in
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Munich, Germany, and we were onthe streets, and a riot broke
out between the skinheads and alot of people, and I ran down an
alley because there was gunfire,and there was a little side door
that was open, nothing wasmarked, everything was unmarked.
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So I stepped in real quick.
I didn't know if I was steppinginto somebody's home or what was
happening, and shut the doorvery quickly and turned around,
and there was a statue of heragain with all these lit
candles, and I had thatexperience again.
So it was profound and itabsolutely changed my life.
(22:30):
And so I'd like to talk aboutjust for a quick second, the
divine feminine, because I don'trelegate it just to the mother,
um, like a lot of people.
Um, the majority of people Iconnect with or get messages,
um, have a Catholic background.
So they see her as Mother Mary,and that's fine.
(22:51):
Some people have been um, youknow, Asian culture and see her
as Kwan Yin, or it's the divinefeminine collective.
There's no one particular being.
There are it's an archetypalenergy where the divine feminine
as a whole, before it becomes aparticular being, has this
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information, has the love foryou know all of humanity and
nature.
And that's what I have workedwith her to expand, to connect
into, and that's what I connectinto and let her love just flow
through.
And as you said, many people inthe room sometimes can feel that
(23:34):
love coming through.
Yeah, you usually we we passhealth clinics beforehand
because they get used.
SPEAKER_03 (23:43):
I've done both um on Zoom as well as in person, and
definitely in person, the wholespace fills up with that love,
and you you feel it.
There's a shift, there's anabsolute shift that happens.
I mean, and there's a physicalshift within you that occurs and
your voice, and you know,everything kind of has a
different side of you that showsup on Zoom.
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I think people have to reallytune in a little more.
And if they allow themselves,they can.
Um, but we know energy defiesspace and you know, all of that,
however, in distance, but it'sup to the person to truly
connect with the essence of it.
And if you do, it's powerful,you know, either way.
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And so I yeah, like kind of I'vebeen honored to experience it
and and I highly recommend it.
SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
I remember, I just gotta share this.
I remember being there with youat the center and getting ready
to do that.
And I really I told you I can'tdo it because I had a bad cold
and I was I couldn't stopcoughing and I couldn't stop
blowing my nose.
And how am I gonna do this?
And I would try and I'd startacting, and I said, Okay, I
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can't do that.
And I heard her so loud andclear, you may have a cold, but
I do not get out of the way.
And I went, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (25:07):
And then she came through and I don't think I
coughed or sneezed or didanything the whole it was funny
because when you were flying in,you know, and I told you, if you
can't, if you're sick, and Ithink you were driving through a
storm on the east coast, and andyou were like, I'm going through
this crazy storm and I'm sick.
(25:27):
And I was like, if you need tocancel, reschedule, we're good.
And then you're like, let me getback to you.
And then you came back, you'relike, nope.
And you said, she's like, Youhave a cold, I do not, you're
going, and all would be well,and all was.
And then you got there and youwere sick.
And um and the interesting thingwas is we did we set you up.
I had you set up and tissues andall the things, and you did you
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had to wipe your nose and allthat.
And and even the audience kindof commented how they were so
mesmerized by what washappening, they didn't even
realize how often you werewiping your nose and you had
like a pile of tissues rightthere, but nobody even noticed
it because everyone's just inthat energy, which is it just
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consumed you in such a beautifulway.
Because um, unless you're trulyopen in the heart space, it's
difficult.
A lot of people aren't, whichis, you know, we're working on
that collectively right now isopening our hearts to others.
And so when you can be in thespace with a gathering of people
that are like-minded and want tobe heart-based and heart
(26:29):
connected, it truly is anexperience to endure, even if if
you're not there to channelmother, you know, it's just
gathering to as people, butdefinitely watching you
transform in that, in a sense,because you go into channeling
or trance, like you're both,right?
SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
You're doing I really don't like to call it
channeling because people have achance.
You know, it's I just go into avery sacred space and place
within my own soul, and I ask tobecome the holy grail, the
little hollow bone, and then I'mtaken to a whole nother level of
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energy and completely surrenderand allow that to happen.
One of the things that I thinkwhy people in the communities
when they're excuse me, whenthey're together, um, they
immediately feel safe.
And that's why they're able tocome up and ask the questions
(27:31):
and get an answer from themother of us all, because
oftentimes out in the world,they don't feel safe.
Like I didn't feel safe when Ifirst started, you know.
So there's uh just this feelingvery safe and very wrapped in
love.
And that's why when she and I dothe healing heart retreats, each
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person gets to sit in front ofme and I come around behind them
and wrap and put my hands overtheir heart and just channel
that energy right through.
Um, so each person gets wrappedin the arms of the mother for a
half an hour.
SPEAKER_03 (28:13):
Oh, yeah.
So that is an intense retreat togo through.
I have not experienced that, theother parts I have, and being
able to ask the questions, whichis powerful, you know.
And I think people, they they'realways like, I don't know what
to ask.
And it's like, well, what isyour what does your heart need?
What do you what does your egosometimes even need to get out
(28:34):
of the way, you know, so tospeak.
And then they come up and theyask and receive.
And I notice in some it'sinstant, and others they have to
go home and and process it anddo their analyzation because the
mind wants to, you know, do itspart.
And then um the integration isso powerful to witness.
And then they come forward andlike, oh my gosh, like, what
(28:57):
about this?
And they she said that, and it'sjust like it takes a minute for
some people, but it's okay, it'sa big message.
You're getting it on a soullevel.
We're not focusing on like thehuman aspect, it's coming from
your soul, right?
SPEAKER_01 (29:12):
Just planting the seeds and when and where they
sprout.
None of my business.
It's yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:21):
So when you're doing that, how do you feel?
So you feel like you're pulledout and back you're like
conscious and aware or not?
SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Yes and no.
It's like I'm conscious andaware at a higher level, right?
The mind is more out of the wayfor the the most part, and then
I come back and feel the shiftcoming back into this dimension
because I'm in a completelydifferent dimension of time and
(29:52):
space, um, which really doesn'texist.
And when I come back, I lose 90%of what was.
I might have it initially rightthere for somebody for a minute,
but if they were to call me thenext day, I would have no clue,
no clue what she said to them oranything.
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It's completely gone.
It's evaporated.
Yeah.
unknown (30:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:17):
And I think a lot of people who do any kind of work
with receiving messages,downloads from their guides or
for others, it is like that.
Like we're not meant to carryeverybody's messages, otherwise,
we would find ourselves losingwho we are.
So it's important to know.
I think some people feel likethey're supposed to maintain
(30:37):
that, or their clients feelthat.
Like, oh, you said or youremember.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, youknow how many people I've seen
in between, or that was so longago.
But what I personally feel iswhen they start speaking it, I
can pull back in the archive andbring that forward
energetically.
Um, but yeah, no, I don't wantto hold all of your stuff.
(30:58):
No, we can that's why why we canbe the spacekeepers and holders
for others is for that moment,but not for once they leave,
that's for them to go and dothat that work.
SPEAKER_01 (31:09):
So we can walk them to their own gate, but then it's
up to them whether they chooseto go through it or not.
SPEAKER_03 (31:15):
Yes.
Yeah.
It comes back to the free willof what choices you make are up
to you.
And if you walk through the gateand if you don't, you know, like
as in the healing profession andwhat we do and the work we do,
it's not to force anyone to doanything, it's to lead them,
like you said, to that gate andto show them that they carry the
(31:36):
key.
It's all within you.
So yeah.
Um, so going to like when youwere working with shamans and
and connecting with the earthlyrealm and connecting with the
spiritual realm, what do youthink has been the most profound
like part of your journey?
SPEAKER_01 (31:59):
Oh boy, I don't know that I can answer that.
Um because each it's like eacheach tribe I went into and
worked with, um I had a profoundexperience with all of them.
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I think when I was working withthe Muscaro Apache tribe, and
what that's the one I wasadopted to, and then I did um a
six-month vision quest uh thatwas very strenuous.
Normally it's only men aresupposed to do it.
But of course, I wanted I wantedboth the masculine and the
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feminine and all of that, andthat's how I earned my eagle
feather.
unknown (32:50):
Was I?
SPEAKER_03 (32:51):
Do you want to share a little bit on that?
I've heard this story, and thisis fascinating if it's something
you can share.
SPEAKER_01 (32:58):
You know, you learn you go through different rites
of passage, and you have to gothrough dedication ceremony
where you're dedicated to all ofnature to be the caretaker of
nature, to do all the thingsthat you can do to help Mother
Earth.
Um, and you're taughtceremonies, various ceremonies,
and then you have to learn howto fast and fast in a way where
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you have no food, no water,nothing for 24 hours, and then
you keep building toward that,or maybe it's just a plain water
fast to get your body ready togo up on the mountain for three
days and three uh yeah, threedays, four nights, and um you
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have to do before that uh you dosweat lodges and you go into
having to dig um your own graveand sleep in your own grave at
night.
And that was tough, especiallywhen it rained and my hole
filled up with water um andfreezing cold where I could
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literally, literally hear mybones rattling.
I was so cold.
So that's figure of speech hadto come from someone who had
that experience, and then umending up going through no food,
no water for almost four daysand nights being up on that
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mountain and taking all that Ihad learned, building a medicine
wheel, never stepping outsidethe wheel for safety reasons,
but staying in that wheel andhaving to just be there and pray
for your vision.
And um, you know, and then youcome off and you get real close
(34:53):
to death.
I mean, really close becauseyour body starts to be in
ketosis and you're starting toshut down.
Then you have to disperse yourmedicine wheel and walk down the
mountain and meet your medicineman or woman at the bottom, and
they give you um your firstdrink of water, which by the
way, I couldn't wait to get.
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And it tasted horrible becausethere was so much detox in my
mouth and my body was oh, it washorrible.
Um, and then they take and theydo a celebration, like a
birthday celebration, um, andwhere people come and it's a
community event because whileI'm fasting and going through
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this, the tribe is drinking forme, they're eating for me,
they're dedicating all of that,and then they come at the end
and give gifts, and you know,and I'll ask somebody, okay, who
ate the peanut butter and jellysandwich?
And the hand would go up.
So the tribe was is veryconnected that way, you know,
we're a unit.
(35:56):
But getting that eagle feather,um, and then I got eagle
feathers in the when I was inthe Amazon, I was gifted eagle
feathers um by a shaman thatwould worked with the
headhunters and met with theheadhunters.
I'm very happy to say it.
(36:18):
Obviously, I got out of there,but I don't ever want to go
back.
And and going through, you know,Peru and Greece and France and
Italy and just doing all ofthese sacred journey works, you
know, walking the path of SaintFrancis, or, you know, just
(36:38):
crossing into many differentways of life and worshiping the
earth and honoring, you know,the soul.
SPEAKER_03 (36:49):
Yeah, yeah.
I think it's fascinating.
And I really wanted ourlisteners to hear that because
they think that there's an ideathat when we do this work and
we're taking on our ownteachings, whether it's going
into the depths that you have,or you know, taking classes for
weeks and months and turningthat into years of practice,
(37:11):
it's not easy work.
You know, it's not like you justpick it up and you're, oh, here
I am now.
I'm this master of self.
And no, it's years of dedicationto our own healing, our own
journey, so that we can thenbring that medicine to others.
So, um, and to hear that,because I don't think a lot of
people know what a vision questis, and to hear that experience
(37:33):
is just right.
SPEAKER_01 (37:34):
There's many different types of that, and
that's one of the hardest ones.
Though the ones in the myteacher went through in the bass
culture, that's you have to goout for a year and um take a
knife and a blanket, and that'sit.
You leave and you have to gofend yourself for a year and
hopefully make it back, and youhave to walk through the
(37:55):
mountains.
In the mountains, PyreneesMountains, with all the snow,
and somehow, and you have tosurvive, and but they're
prepared.
Yeah, kind of like when I wasover in Australia, it's the
aborigine culture, you know,sends their boys on a walkabout.
They often say women don't needto do vision quests because
(38:19):
their vision quest ischildbirth.
That's they feel oftentimes thatthat is even harder, the
pregnancy and the childbirth,than going out and doing that.
So they feel they go throughtheir own rite of passage when
(38:41):
they become a mother.
SPEAKER_03 (38:42):
So well, we're the portal of life, and so that
totally makes sense to know thatwe are, and that is a rite of
passage for all women, and toknow that it is a sacred thing
that we're doing.
We're built, we're creating,we're creators, you know.
Right.
Um yeah, so my my closest that Iwent on a retreat um with Moon
(39:04):
Rising to Montana this summer,and we were doing a Lakota sweat
lodge, and that I wasn't able togo in because um I was on my
cycle, and women aren't able togo in.
And so I was a spaceholder anddoing all of that.
And it was very interesting whatI was processing on the outside
for them.
(39:25):
So it's all interconnected, andthen when it was all said and
done, and all the women, I thinkthey went through four or five
different um heats, like thestones being brought in.
SPEAKER_01 (39:38):
Yeah, I did the Lakota sweats.
I mean, I haven't done it wellbecause I can't find one
anymore, but that's the one Ido.
SPEAKER_03 (39:45):
Yeah, and so at the end of that, I was smudging, and
then I walked over to the fire,and this energy just came up and
I started working, I wastransmuting, I was processing it
from above and below, and justdoing the cycle and the the
shaman that came out.
I could hear her, and my eyeswere closed, and she was like,
Oh my gosh, what is she doing?
It's so powerful because it wasjust this building.
(40:08):
And then when I looked, Ifinally opened my eyes, they
were all standing around, and Iwas like, Oh my gosh.
And I'm like, lift your arms up,feel into it.
It was so beautiful, sopowerful.
And um, yeah, so whether you'rein it or out, like we're you're
all connected, right?
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (40:26):
I also feel like Baba Yaga fire.
Well, we did uh I used to do alot of medicine woman retreats
with the sweat lodge, the Anepeup in Big Bear, um up in the
mountains in Big Bear.
SPEAKER_03 (40:40):
Uh and uh, you know, we would call them Baba Yaga
fires and we would just you knowdo typical and I know we've
talked about create having ourown retreat with that, you know,
with our tribe, and and thatwould be wonderful to do.
So yeah.
Um let's see, I have anotherquestion.
(41:00):
So with um everything, as we'vekind of touched on the
collective and where we are andeverything.
What, if any, do you like anyadvice you have for people as we
are, you know, feeling I feellike our can our culture, our
country is very divided, right?
Obviously.
(41:21):
And so there's those who canreally hold the space for it.
And I know, like for me, youtell people, you know, you can't
feed fear with fear.
You gotta do the opposite of thespectrum, you gotta give it
courage and love and compassionto really bring in that balance.
And then there's others that getso consumed by fear or anger and
(41:41):
everything.
And so, what's your advice forfor people that are listening?
SPEAKER_01 (41:48):
Well, that is to really stay connected to your
own inner peace.
There's a place in us, ineveryone, that is uh a divine
spark.
We're create well, that createddivine spark is within us.
And to connect with that andstay connected to nature.
(42:12):
And as we stay connected tonature, we don't absorb the
psychic free radicals.
There's so much psychic freeradicals that are affecting our
health.
We're not only getting them fromour country, but we're getting
them worldwide, you know, fromall the devastations that are
happening, from the wars thatare happening.
(42:33):
We're feeling all those psychicfree radicals.
And that's the part where wehave to become aware of
cleansing our own aura, our ownmorphogenetic field, becoming
very aware we are a quantumfield.
And I work a lot with quantumphysics, as you know, and um we
(42:56):
have to understand that we haveto be in control of it and help
to eradicate all of that, thatthose psychic free radicals,
because we don't serve anything.
If we're if we're caught up inthe fear, we're adding to the
fear.
But if we can hold and pray forgrace, that's my biggest advice.
(43:22):
No matter what how much fearyou're feeling or anger, ask for
the grace to be able to comethrough and help transmute it
for you.
If I had one word to givesomeone, it's grace.
It's not love, it's not peace,it's grace.
And grace doesn't always come ina sweet little yummy form.
(43:45):
Sometimes grace is an arrow thatwill be given from the heart of
the divine to shatter whateverthat anger is, to shatter, and
that's an act of grace, too, youknow.
So ask for the grace to be ableto handle whatever's going on.
And every morning when you wakeup, ask, you know, do uh
(44:08):
self-cradling with one hand overyour heart and one hand over
your stomach, and and ask, whatis my internal resource for
today?
You don't need to think aboutthe day.
Psychically tune in and say,okay, I really don't know how my
day is going to unfold, butwhat's the internal resource am
I going to need?
Is it courage?
(44:28):
Is it happiness?
Is it strength?
Is it um it could be anything?
It could, what's the word, theemotional word that you need?
It's like somebody drawing anangel card, or you know, that's
an internal resource.
What is it for today?
And you'll see that word poppingup everywhere.
(44:49):
You'll hear people talking andusing that word, and you'll see
you're in a state of grace whenyou're hearing that, and that
you're connected and you'rebringing that.
People need to learn how to be ahollow bone so that they can
bring in that grace, and thenthe love and the light, the
laughter, the peace can begin tochannel through, and you don't
(45:09):
even need to say anything, youcan just stand in a room and be
the presence.
You don't have to fix it, youdon't have to try to change
anybody, especially if no one'sasking for your opinion about
anything.
Don't volunteer because you knowthat's where you set yourself
up.
(45:29):
So if if you step back, youknow, if people can step back
and just be present and presentwith all four intelligences,
physically, mentally,emotionally, and spiritually, be
present, be in your own littlesacred hoop.
Think of a hula hoop and be inthe center of that hula hoop and
(45:50):
don't let anything come insideit.
Um, people will find that theycan actually walk into a room
and people all of a sudden theirconversations will change.
People might even look at youand wonder, who's that?
And then the energy shifts inthe room.
And that's the best way to doit, without having to say
(46:15):
anything, without having to doanything, but just to simply be.
SPEAKER_03 (46:22):
Yes, yeah, it's walking in and being that sacred
witness and understanding whatthat means, and to be able, like
you're saying, standing your ownsacred hoop and being present is
such a powerful way to show up.
And you don't you can witnessall the chaos or the
conversations, what's going onaround you, but you do not need
(46:43):
to hook into it, you do not needto plug in, you can just be and
holding that space is sopowerful because people will
feel the shift.
They feel that light come in,they feel that energy come in,
and it just it's almost like itjust totally offsets it.
Suddenly it's like, ooh, let'sjust calm down for a minute, and
you don't even have to say that,just the presence is one of the
(47:07):
um workshops that I'm puttingtogether for next year, uh
weekend retreat, is how to dothat um by using the archetypes
of the Wizard of Oz.
SPEAKER_01 (47:18):
Oh, all right.
Find your own yellow brick road,yeah and claim your power, your
love, and your wisdom, and getrid of the monkey mind, you
know, the flying monkeys, and uhhaving a great time starting to
put that together.
It's gonna be a lot of fun, butit will be very transformative
too.
SPEAKER_03 (47:37):
Do you know where you're planning on having that?
SPEAKER_01 (47:39):
No, I'm still waiting for the spaces to show
up.
SPEAKER_03 (47:42):
So yeah, I have a few.
I have a few in mind.
One here, Montana.
Like I have a few, so definitelywe can talk and um and give that
out too.
So yeah.
Is there anything else that youwould like to share as we start
to wrap up our conversation?
(48:03):
I really feel that um I just Ilove what you bring forward.
So this was a greatconversation, and I think that a
lot of people are really gonna,those seeds have been planted,
I'm gonna say.
And I I feel that there will bea big growth and transformation
for people just listening tothis conversation.
They may not have always heardor before.
(48:25):
If we can touch for people, andwe kind of did a little bit, but
those who are awakening rightnow, they can step into some of
these teachings that you'retalking about right away.
SPEAKER_01 (48:35):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Listening, doing the internalresource, practicing, breath
work.
Notice how many times theirtongue is on the roof of their
mouth, because when the tongueis on the roof of the mouth,
they're in fight or flight.
And so if they relax theirbelly, drop their shoulders,
drop their tongue, they're gonnaimmediately go into a quiet mind
(48:57):
and more of a state of peace.
It'll be more peaceful.
And just breathe, just take deepbreaths.
Yes, that's you know, there area lot of simple tools.
Like I said, I really think youknow, we are here and we're
available as spiritual guidesand mentors, and that's our main
purpose, and that's what we'rehere to do.
(49:20):
And um just need to makecontact.
SPEAKER_03 (49:24):
Yeah, yes, and so I do I have your contact
information in our show notes,so our listeners can definitely
reach out to you and go throughyour website and see what
services that you offer and umhow they can communicate with
you and connect with you throughZoom.
You know, if they're not localon the East Coast, they can
(49:45):
definitely reach out to youhere, email you.
Um, is there anything that youare offering right now that you
would like them to know?
That's kind of like right nowthey can contact you for.
SPEAKER_01 (49:57):
No, just the one-on-one right now.
Um, as we go into the wintermonths, that's a time to really
come in if you're in harmonywith nature.
And that's where you startcreating the seeds for the
following year.
So during the winter months, Idon't do retreats, groups,
(50:19):
things like that.
But when it's spring andeverything's blossoming and
blooming, that's a time to bringwhat incubated over the winter
forward.
But I do do one-on-one and I doFaceTime.
If people don't have Zoom, wecan do FaceTime, or we just do
phone.
Some people don't want to atfirst be seen, and so that's
(50:41):
fine.
We just connect to the phone.
So whatever works for someone.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (50:46):
You also do biofeedback, which is one of my
best like most referrals to youbecause of the scan and
everything that they receive aswell.
Do you want to touch on that fora minute or two?
SPEAKER_01 (50:58):
Real briefly, it's listed on my um website, but the
biofeedback I use originallycame out of NASA.
And unfortunately, it's gonethrough different upgrades over
the years.
The biofeedback program saved mylife when I was given six weeks
to six months left to live.
(51:18):
Somebody introduced me tobiofeedback, and the woman were
I was in the mountains inrunning springs, and she was in
Ontario, California, and shekept sending me frequencies for
healing through the biofeedback.
And within three months, I wasback to work and I'm still here.
And so biofeedback uh reads 62million bits of information on
(51:42):
you in three and a half minutesto determine physically,
mentally, emotionally, andspiritually what is out of
balance and what needs to comeinto balance and to clean karma
off, to clean and balance aurasand chakras, to help the body
come back into balance.
It doesn't override your system.
If somebody needed a boost totheir liver, it would send
(52:05):
frequencies to the liver to wakethe liver up to do its job, that
sort of thing.
So nothing overpowers the body,and there's no harm that can be
done.
Because if, for instance, theliver didn't want to be worked
on that day, it would say that.
And it and we go and we would dosomething else.
A little alarm would come up andsay, Oh, okay, we're not gonna
(52:26):
touch this today, we're gonna goover here.
And so it and it works on theemotions.
What emotions is are coming up?
How can we clear them?
What's going on?
And it's very, very powerful.
I work with it.
Um, like I said, I've beenworking with it for 20 almost 24
(52:48):
years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (52:50):
I love those.
SPEAKER_01 (52:52):
Yeah, it's all remote, and people people do
feel them.
Yeah, oh yeah, you do feel them.
And generally, what they feel isso relaxed because it's FDA
approved as a stress reliever.
SPEAKER_03 (53:05):
So it really because stress creates all of the
imbalances in our body, so youfeel so much more relaxed when
it's yeah, you know, it'sinteresting because as a Reiki
practitioner and and shamanicpractitioner, you know, because
I can journey and travel intothe body and do all those things
(53:26):
and see in the quantum and allthat.
But when I receive thebiofeedback, it feels very
similar because I'm very in tunephysically.
So I'll tell you, okay, you'reworking on my emotions, and then
I'll feel like I'm gonna cry.
You know, I've told you that.
And you're like, you're you'reso sensitive.
But then you get the the reportback, and that's I think for a
(53:47):
lot of people who are in thehead, you know, like they it
they need that too.
You know, it brings in both.
You get the spiritual and thenyou get the the machine.
So very good, very good.
Um, so I do want to wrap up ourconversation and I want to give
you great things.
And I do want to um ask youpossibly to come back and maybe
do a channeling with mother atsome point to see if there's a
(54:11):
collective message from thatlevel.
But um definitely like Iappreciate your time and all of
your wisdom.
And um, I hope to see you backhere again.
SPEAKER_01 (54:23):
Well, I give great thanks for this opportunity to
see your lovely face and um usshare our energy again.
And I give great thanks that youasked, and we were able to make
it work out.
SPEAKER_03 (54:36):
I know, huh?
Again, certain odds.
It was very interesting with theinternet this morning.
We're like, we're gonna meet at10.
We kept trying to switch it, andit was like, nope, then 10
o'clock, it worked.
So I give thanks to you,Catherine, and we will see you
soon.
All right.
Blessings.
SPEAKER_00 (54:54):
Thanks for tuning in to today's show, the Wisdom
Rising Podcast, is sponsored byMoonrising Shamanic Institute.
If you enjoyed this episode, besure to subscribe to the show on
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(55:17):
Institute.com.
Once again, thanks for sharingspace with us today.
And until next time, may youawaken to the whispers of wisdom
rising from within.
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