April 24, 2025 • 33 mins
Ever felt like personality tests just don’t “get” you? You’re not alone.
In this first part of our RV Queens Circles Enneagram workshop replay, we’re diving deep into how understanding your personality can completely shift how you work, communicate, and show up in your business. Whether you're new to the Enneagram or think you've heard it all before, this session brings it to life in a totally relatable way.
Enneagram enthusiast and RV mama Taylor Smith joins Kate live with RV Queens Circles members to walk through each type, including how your number shows up in stress and in health—and why you might relate to more than one type (or none at all, like Nancy did at first!).
This episode is part 1 of our deep dive Enneagram workshop with Taylor—if you missed the previous episode, go back and listen to our high-level overview of the Enneagram and Taylor’s story of life on the road.
What you’ll learn in Part 1:
📦 The 9 core types and what they look like in real life (RV life included!)
🌀 How each number behaves under stress vs. in health
😬 Why one listener went from “this isn’t me” to “OMG, that’s me” in real time
🎧 This is Part 1 of our two-part series on the Enneagram and RV entrepreneurship—don’t miss the next episode where we go deeper into stress numbers, wings, and how to get back to your healthiest self.
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(00:00):
Your core anagram number, your core personality type, all of
that is always going to be the same primary, same thing as when
you were in the worst season of your life and you just lost a
loved one or you got divorced orsomething horrible happened to
you as the best part of your life.
You're still that primary personality type.
It's just kind of how you were created.
(00:22):
That's who you are. Welcome back to the RV Queens
podcast where we are all about women making money on the road.
I'm your host Kate White, and today we're picking up where we
left off in our Enneagram series.
If you tuned in last week, you heard a high level overview of
the Enneagram and a get to know you conversation with Taylor
(00:42):
Smith, who is a full time traveler, yoga teacher, and
Enneagram enthusiast. In this episode, Taylor's back
and this time she's leading a live workshop we hosted inside
the RV Queen Circles. She walks us through all nine
Enneagram types and shares how your number can show up in your
business, your relationships, and even on those chaotic travel
(01:05):
days we all know too well. One of the most powerful moments
of the night came from a community member named Nancy.
Hi Nancy. She started the night not
feeling like she fit into any type.
She even said, I don't like being put in a box.
I mean, a lot of us can relate, right?
But by the end of the workshop, she found an Enneagram number
(01:29):
that resonated deeply with her and gave the prize that she won
at the end of the night to someone else.
Because in her words, figuring out my number was the real win.
I love that. If you've ever felt unsure about
your Enneagram type or had an inconclusive test result, this
episode will open your eyes to what's possible.
(01:49):
OK, real quick before we dive in, I want to tell you about
something I am super excited foron May 8th, 2025.
Yes, that is coming up soon. I'm Co hosting a live workshop
with business strategist Dora Rankin called Podcasts and
Partnerships. I will be sharing the exact
steps I took to build and monetize the RV Queens podcast
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while traveling full time with my family over the past two
years and Dora will be teaching how to use your voice and your
values to land aligned brand partnerships.
If you've been thinking about launching a podcast or wondering
how to turn your current podcastinto something that actually
grows your business and your income, this workshop is for
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you. Space is limited, so head to
dorarankinconsulting.com/podcastsand Partnerships.
Don't worry, the link is in the show notes to save your spot
today. I cannot wait to see you there.
All right, my friends, without further ado, let's get into the
episode. Grab your coffee and let's roll.
(02:59):
Hi, welcome, welcome everyone. If you're not familiar with
Taylor Smith, she is awesome. She is a multi passionate
person. She's a yoga teacher, she is a
graphic designer. She's an Enneagram aficionado.
She was recently featured on RV Queens podcast talking about the
Enneagram, and hopefully you hada chance to listen to that
(03:23):
before this. And if you didn't, that's all
right. Tonight, she's going to be
talking with us about how the Enneagram and knowing you're
more about your personality can help you as you run a business
and then your endeavors. So I'm going to let Taylor take
the stage. OK.
Well, thank you, Kate and Kim for all the hard work that you
(03:45):
guys do. So some of it's going to be a
little bit of a review from whenI was on the podcast.
If you got chance to listen to that, you can still listen to
that later. It's still fine.
You're still going to be able togo ahead.
So I'm going to start by talkingabout why do you even care?
Why do we care about the Enneagram, right?
I talked about on the podcast and Kate, you seem to like
(04:06):
really like this part. So I really wanted to push it to
explain it to you. Not everybody sees the world
through the same lens as you, asme, as my neighbor, as my
husband, etcetera. So some of us have like a zoom
in lens where we look at all thedetails.
Other people are drone and they're up really high and kind
of just looking at the overall picture of things.
(04:27):
And we'll get more into that in a minute.
Why do you care about specifically because of the RV
life, right? So we've got we have to
communicate with everybody. We have to communicate with the
people that live in our tiny house on wheels.
We have to communicate with the people that we work for, we work
with, we want to work for, we want to work with people in our
campground, our kids, our family, all that.
(04:48):
And then contact resolution goesthrough that.
Obviously, the way you communicate, the way you resolve
conflicts in your life. And then as an RV entrepreneur,
how does that affect your productivity?
If you're content creators, how does that affect that as well?
We're skipping through a lot of these because I want to make
sure I don't go over. But who here has ever asked
themselves this question? Or has your spouse, if you're
(05:11):
married, ask you, why are you the way you are?
Who am I? Why am I the way I am?
So I think of the enneagram as alens, but also a tool so we can
help to find the answer to that question.
So what is the enneagram? And I'm kind of flying through
because you can obviously research more in depth about
this, but nine is ennea in the original language.
(05:35):
And then grams a diagram. So it's a nine sided diagram.
And in the podcast we talked about the 9 little circles
feeling like a Ferris wheel. Funny thing is, 1 is not at the
top, 9 is at the top. We'll talk about why that is in
a minute. Simon Synick did this Ted Talk
that people don't buy what you do, they buy why you do it.
(05:57):
And a lot of us that have followings in social media
understand that you follow people that are just so
connected to you and you understand why they do that
thing. They might do the same thing
fifty other people do, but the way they do it, you'd like drive
with. That's why you follow them.
That's kind of what we're going to talk about with the in E
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ground. So there's 9 core numbers, basic
personality types. By the end of this, we'll talk
about how even if you have one primary number, you're going to
relate to like 5 different numbers really.
And that's one of the books thatI reference a lot in here too.
So the English word personality derived from the Latin word
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mask. So sometimes we wear a mask,
right? We kind of mask things.
I'll kind of refer back to lenses and masks
interchangeably. Sometimes it talks about where
the Enneagram comes from. So depending on what part of the
world you're in, you might say this is where the Incans claim
that they found this on their etchings on The Cave.
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And then Asian cultures will saylike, well, no, we found this in
our ancient history books. So from all the research I've
done, kind of who knows is the answer.
I guess I'm going to say for theshort story version, but
Americans for the most part understands that 1990s and on is
when America was introduced to the Enneagram for the most part.
So there was a Friar Franciscan man, Richard Rohr, and he
(07:24):
released that book, the Christian perspective, the
Enneagram from the Christian perspective.
So that's when people that spokeEnglish were really kind of more
made aware of it. I have a fun little diagram here
that I was like referencing before.
Like imagine that you're I'm hanging out with people on a
Ferris wheel. We're all at a fair.
Each of us has a little ride, a little cart.
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Now, if there are a couple sevens, for instance, I'm just
gonna pick on me and Kate because we're both sevens for
sure. We're sitting in the seven Cup
together. We see things through the same
lens, if you will. We're still different people.
We still have different reasons why we answer certain things,
but we are similar in that way. If we're A7, for instance, we
can look up a little bit on the Ferris wheel across the way and
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we can see the ones we'll talk about why there's an arrow
leaning from 7:00 to 1:00. We can't look down a little bit
at the fives and we can kind of see what the fives are doing.
I know a couple of you, at leastone of you's in here is pretty
sure you're a nine or 9 ranked high in your testing, but it's
real hard. You just can't figure out what
(08:26):
you are. It's because the nines, if you
imagine that Ferris wheel analogy, if you're at the nine
cup and you're looking down, youcan see into every other cup.
You're looking at everyone else's little basket so you can
relate to everyone. This is the hardest number to
type. These are the people that
usually call me or text me if they're friends of mine and they
know I'm interested in this and they're like help me.
(08:48):
I can't figure this out. So check that in the back of
your head for those of you who maybe had a hard time trying to
figure out what number they were.
But we have a 9 sided circle if you will.
We have numbers next to each other and remember that the
nines at the top instead of 1 ones, they're known as the
reformer. They're also sometimes known as
the perfectionist. It it depends.
(09:10):
I'm married to one, been with one for 18 years.
I'm very familiar with the ones.And if you look on the screen to
the left, you'll see the different quotes at the bottom.
These are the quotes that ones often times will find themselves
saying or people will say them about them.
You don't like it when people ignore or break the rules.
You like to keep the RV tidy, plan the travel routes you love,
(09:31):
checklist, that kind of stuff, right?
Kim's just laughing. So everybody has different
levels of health and we'll talk about that when we go through
all non numbers. Everyone's going to be healthy
at their best. There's a big category in the
middle where you're kind of on autopilot, which I honestly live
a lot of right now in my life. And then what you look like kind
(09:51):
of when you're at your worst, those feel free, like I said, to
screen capture those. But those are kind of the
differences where you can see the benefits of that type.
Like, oh, wow, I would love to be friends with someone who's
productive, my list, idealistic and very conscientious and
orderly. But then you're like, oh,
uptight, controlling, anxious, jealous.
I don't know if I want to call myself that or I don't.
I don't want to be friends with that, but that's how your works.
(10:14):
We'll talk about that too. So I've added to each of these
slides some suggestions. It doesn't have to be something,
but the queen idea I have for a one is someone who's an online
educator. There's other, obviously I
talked to Kim, I think it was Kim about it.
Ones are usually like in the thecorporate world, the pilots, the
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surgeons, the people that are the detail oriented will make
sure to check every single checklist before they move on
with their job. So that's like the corporate
version of what A1 would be. Everybody and every number has a
core fear, a core desire, the weakness, and then the longing.
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And that's what I was talking about earlier with the pilot and
the surgeon. You can see that there.
It makes sense to everybody. All these fears people are going
to relate to. But the core desire and the core
longing will really differentiate because a lot of
people will read this and go, well, yeah, I'm fear of being
bad and evil and angry, but I don't really have the same
longing. I don't really have the same
desire, so kind of read ahead onthat.
(11:17):
So moving to #2 I know we don't have any here, but this is a
very common number statisticallywhen I've researched like what
are the average numbers that aremost popular?
You'll, you'll run into a lot ofthese and they're one of the
easiest numbers to relate to, especially if you've ever had
children. Maybe you don't have children at
home anymore or maybe you don't have children, but if you've
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ever had children, you probably went through a season of your
life where you kind of felt likethat because you're always
helping someone. Definitely a great listener.
The friends that you have that you can think of are Co workers
where you're like, man, they really want to know how my
daughter's soccer game was or they really want to know why we
traveled to so and so. Like that could have been one A
good queen idea. I thought for this would be a
Wellness or a health coach or a life coach.
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Like in the corporate world, a lot of time nurses are twos.
I know a lot of us had like corporate life before RV life.
So that's an example there. They've got a fear, a desire,
their core weakness. I'm going to kind of skim over
this because we don't have anybody in the group now, but
feel free to screen capture it if you're like, oh, I think my
husband or my mom or whatever, freeze.
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So the achiever and we had a question that I'm going to talk
later in the Q&A about that related to this because there
was a three that said I used to be a three, but I don't know if
I am anymore. The three is the queen idea is
the team builder. Really don't like the word
influencer, but I say it becauseit it makes sense to people.
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It's the people that can rally the troops and influence people.
They can be at their best, they can be out their worst, just
like all the numbers they in thecorporate world.
Think of the CEOs like the big, big, big network marketing
people. Fear, desire, weakness, longing,
screen capture, if you will. 4 is the artist.
So it doesn't have to be an actual artist, paints in hand.
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But a little more about 20 yearsago would have been the emo
people. Like people who were more in
their emotions is kind of when you hear of the fours, they
don't feel like they kind of fitin with everybody else.
I know we all have kind of imposter syndrome, but they have
like deep imposter syndrome. They don't feel like they really
belong. So we've got that, that their
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longing is to be seen and loved.So that kind of makes sense,
right? A lot of hair stylists.
I've actually known a few yoga teachers that are also.
And the really neat little side note I always like to point out
with this is writers, people that write books and movies and
manuscripts. They've used the Enneagram for
years. And now that you've learned more
about it, you'll start watching movies and you'll start
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realizing, oh, I can figure out what this number is.
So has anybody or everybody probably has seen Edward
Scissorhands? They based Johnny Depp's
character off of an Enneagram 4.Like kind of very in themselves
unique and different. Funny thing is, is Johnny Depp
has also come out to say that heis an Enneagram 4.
So like, that part was perfect for that actor.
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So with visionaries, you are often the person who likes to be
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set aside. Your social batteries might
deplete a little faster than other people, so you like to be
in solitude a little bit more. But you kind of feel like that
because like it says here, you think thoughts are more reliable
than feelings. Like you can't always trust your
feelings, which is opposite fromthe four.
The four trust their feelings more than anything else.
(15:16):
So for the queen idea with this one, I thought online course
creator, somebody who creates anonline course would be really
good because fives are also usually the smartest person in
the room. Whether they are boastful about
that and like believe they're the smartest person in the room,
they usually are the smartest person in the room about things
too. But of course, at their worst
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that can get too arrogant. So we'll go through that in a
minute. So corporate jobs,
administration, researching things, teachers, tech jobs,
that's often a 5-6. This is an analyst type person.
And the best way for me to describe this person, they would
be excellent at being a risk management person for like
insurance, like somebody who looks at everything and can
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immediately figure out what's wrong in the situation, what can
be assessed, what can be changed.
Ones are usually good at this too.
So it gets kind of confusing. And this is like for an RV
example, they always have backupplans to travel plans.
Like I wish I had more 6 becausethey always know well, if that
doesn't work, we can do this, this or this.
That's great. Great trait to have with RV.
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So I said safety coach insurance, that's a really good
one. The fear, the desire, the
weakness, the longing. The longing is to be safe
because they don't always feel like they are enthusiasts.
So this is me and Kim and Kate do we love to meet everyone at
the campground usually. So that's a good example.
Do you have a bit of FOMO sometimes over things does not
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plan rest days often this is zero.
Maybe it depends is usually optimistic and witty and joyful
but also can be escapist where it gets too overwhelming and you
just do nothing and can be more self-destructive in not
regulating the highs and the lows.
This is so amazing. I love this travel day.
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This is the worst travel day ever.
It's been raining for three dayslike that kind of up and down
South Queen idea for them is travel Blogger, which I know a
lot of us already do even thoughwe wouldn't call ourselves that.
You are video sometimes documenting your travels, so
that would work any kind of pop up like I do pop up yoga or I
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know someone who's A7 who travels full time and she does
jewelry. So she sells jewelry at
different campgrounds, like justkind of spur the moment she
doesn't like plan it out. It just happens like, oh, I have
jewelry, I'll sell it. And entertainers.
The best example in the corporate world or in the
Hollywood world I give is Robin Williams was an Enneagram 7.
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So like that overwhelming high energy type of person.
So after comedian, travel writer, artists, a lot of
musicians are sevens. So we've got feel free to screen
capture this, the fear, the desire, the weakness and the
longing and eight. So keep in mind too, if I've
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already said your numbers, don'tpay attention to the numbers
around your numbers. So you're going to learn more
about that. We can go back if we need to.
It's the challenger. The best description I have for
this is it's in the corporate world known for a lot of
attorneys are any gram eights. So they're very strong wills,
but they're also usually right. And they like to let everyone
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know that this is the best path forward.
And they consider arguing kind of intimacy.
I'm not married to an aide, but I have a friend who is.
And I'm like that that could getheated.
But then at the end of the the argument, it's like, oh, I feel
so much closer to you. That would be an 8.
They never do things halfway. They're usually very full.
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They are great event coordinators.
Like if you want someone in charge of your wedding, your
children's wedding, your birthday party, your big event,
you probably want to 8. Who's in charge of that?
CE OS, add execs, stuff like that.
Nine is our last number, so that's the peacemaker.
And like I said earlier, this ishard to to test.
A lot of people aren't sure if there are 9 because they kind of
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just go with the flow and they relate to everybody and they're
friends with everybody in every single friend group and they
don't feel like they want to be put in like a box because they
can relate to everybody. That is that example of being in
the Ferris wheel and looking down and you can kind of
understand and feel what everybody else is going through.
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Very empathetic people as well. So queen idea for this nature
guide, an editor, someone who maybe doesn't want to be in
front of the camera, but wants to just do like UGC type stuff.
Like I'm just going to, I'm going to document this, take
pictures, videos, send it to somebody and they're going to
pay me for it. But I don't want to be in charge
of putting it out on social media and pushing it.
That would be a good queen idea.And so then we have writers,
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artists, therapists, musicians, their fear, desire, weakness and
longing. The best example of nine is if
you're ever in a friend group and someone says, hey, where do
you guys wanna go to lunch? And everyone kind of has an
opinion, but there's always thatone friend that's like, wherever
you guys go, yeah, whatever. And they're just super
easygoing. Most of the times that falls in
line with somebody who's the 9th, they do actually have a
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preference. Like I want to go to this Thai
place I went to last week, but I'm not going to say that
because if I say that and somebody doesn't like the tie,
I'm going to feel like I made a bad decision.
That's kind of my example of theninth.
So find your, find your number, your primary number on the
circle. And because there's three of us,
I'm kind of going to start with a sevens, since we know sevens.
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So 7, you'll notice there's an arrow that goes to the one.
Everybody has a number that the arrow points to.
So for seven, it's one. For A1 penny, you're pointing to
the four. And then let's see, we had a 5.
So if you're A5, you're pointingto the seven.
And then I think we had a three,three points to the 9.
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Did I miss anybody of the primary numbers?
That's number the question. I don't fit into anyone number I
don't feel. What does that mean?
Do you feel like you fit into more than one or none of them?
Do you really relate to a littlebit of all of them?
Did you take the test or not? Not yet.
I took the test a long time ago,and I think I felt the same way
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back then. When Kim posted earlier today
the link to the Eclectic Energies website.
That test I'd like because it's short and it's kind of sweetness
to the point I would say take itagain and you'll get
percentages. You'll get, well, you might be
this, you might be this, and youmight be this, and then you can
narrow it down a little bit. But I'm not going to guess that
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you're a nine just because I said some people have problems
guessing. That's OK.
We can go through this again with you later.
You can even message me and that's fine.
So if you don't relate to any one number, it doesn't mean
you're a nine. It's just you've got a higher
likelihood of being a nine. And you can always reference
back to this. But I'd say take that test
again. And Nancy, when you take that
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test, if I haven't said this outloud already, if you get stuck
on questions, and this is true for any of you, if you want to
retest because you're like, maybe this doesn't make any
sense to me, Answer the questions the way that 1819 year
old Nancy would have answered them.
Unless you got married at 18 or 19 because that's usually when
you were like the most yourself.You might have changed.
Obviously we changed a lot from 19 on.
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But if you get stuck on a question, think how would 1819
Nancy would have answered that question and then move on.
That's kind of my advice though.Thank you.
Yeah, you're very welcome and I'm happy if you want to message
me later. I'm totally fine with that too.
OK, so we all have a number thatwe went to, right?
Everybody had a number that the arrow went to.
So that number is going towards your stress number is the number
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that we all looked at. So from 7, you go to 1, from A5
you would go to seven. So Queen, that was a three would
go to 9. And Penny, you're 1, you go to
four, that's your stress number.So that's your number that when
you're not healthy, when you're in stress, so you're really kind
of like, I've had a lot to do. This is too much.
I'm I'm overwhelmed. So for instance, me, Kim and
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Kate, we're sevens. So we go to 1 not to pick on
Penny because Penny said she wasone.
It doesn't mean we look like Penny when we're stressed.
It means we look like the anxious side of 1.
And so real quick, I don't want to pick, but I just want to go
back. So let's look.
This is why this is important for the one ones at their best,
great, ethical, reliable, productive, a little idealistic,
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but at their worst, they're morejudgmental.
They're not as flexible, they'revery dogmatic.
Everything is black and white. They're very critical.
So I will speak for myself that when I'm in a lot of stress and
I'm in like more of a stressful season, I start getting more
black and white when normally there's all kinds of Gray area
in my life. I'm like, no, it has to be done
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like this. We can't take a detour because
that will change. And then I need to check lesson.
I'm kind of controlling and I'm being uptight.
And I realized that about myselfbecause I know that that's where
I go to. So that's what that number
means, the stress number, that'swhat that means.
So everybody has a stress number, but the good news is
everybody has a health number. So seven goes to one.
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It's the negative side. Then I'm going to quickly talk
about where you go when you're in health or in this case,
security. So your security number, I'm
picking on the seven again, is when you go to A5.
And I'm going to skip back to five.
Since there's three of us numbersevens, we need to remember what
the five is all about, the healthy 5.
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So we're not looking at the AT their worst side, we're looking
at the AT their best. So when we're really healthy,
we're a little analytical, but we're also sensitive to other
things. We can think of things
objectively and we're very perceptive on details and we're
like healthy in that we know howto say no.
Sevens aren't usually great about saying no, so we over
(25:03):
commit ourselves to things. But when we're really healthy,
we're like, yeah, you know, I'm just going to read a book and
stay in tonight instead of goingto that thing somebody invited
me to. So that's your health and your
stress. There's going to be questions
because I flew through that. So again, we can talk later.
Maybe we need to have an Enneagram Part 2.
But the reason why I brought that up is because we talked
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about it in the podcast as well.I feel like the best way to use
the Enneagram in business and interpersonal skills in trying
to pitch brands if that's what you're doing, and trying to film
YouTube videos if that's what you're doing.
Think of the Enneagram in two ways, the lens, how you see the
world, and also as the rumble strip.
So the example I give is pretendlike you're driving on the road
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and I'm the passenger Princess. So I'm not the driver.
But if you were driving your rigor if you had a big truck and
you're like, you know, a big trucker, you're a bus driver and
you're driving a big rig and youstart to veer off your lane.
You're going to hit the rumble strips.
And you can feel though, and that tells you to do something.
It's your warning. Hey, alert, if you're drowsy,
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wake up, get back in the lane. You're veering off course.
The Enneagram over the years hashelped me so much to be my
rumble strip because I know whatI look like.
I'm when I'm healthy in A7 and then I look and I pay attention
more of when, oh, I'm on the rumble strips.
I'm getting very on the negativeside of one right now.
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I need to recorrect and redirectmyself.
So that's the security, the stress.
So already we've talked about your primary number.
Then you go to a number in stress, then you go to a number
in health, and then in a second we're going to talk about wings.
And so really you are one primary number, but you've
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already learned about 3 different numbers and we're
going to hit two more at the end.
So what about wings? There are wings.
Look at your number again. On either side of your primary
number is another number. So if you're A7, you're going to
see an 8 and a six. If you're a one, you're going to
see a nine and a 232 and four and then 5-6 and four.
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Those are all the ladies who were in with us today.
If you're a nine, eight and one,when you're looking at these
numbers, it's helpful to know a little bit about all the numbers
because for instance, if you were a one, the nine and the two
are very different numbers. Remember we said 9 is someone
who's extremely good with the flow.
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Whatever you guys want to do, that's fine with me.
That's not what I just describedas the one, right?
So ones will go hope definitely not the 9.
I don't have any nine in me at all.
Think that. I bet you you can find sometimes
in your life when you were really healthy, you were taking
care of yourself, you were managing your stress, you were
just in a good place. So you didn't really care where
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you went to lunch. It wasn't, you know, like, oh,
the group wants to do that, cool, like I'll do that.
But the negative part of two could also be your other wing.
The helpful or negative part of two and two is also not very
much like 1-2 is the helper. Ones want to do it all
themselves and do it good and doit right.
Twos are helpers. I'm married to a one who has
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balanced wings so he can lean into the 9 when it doesn't
really matter to him. He's fine with going with the
flow for the two. He's very helpful.
He's opening doors, he's liftingthings, he's moving.
I always used to think it was just because he was raised in
Texas, but I think it's really ahelpful side of him that he just
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wants to be helpful. She's still predominantly one
through and through, but he really does have both of those
sides. You might have balanced wings
just like a bird. You might balance a little bit
off, like if a bird needs to turn, they're not going to try
to fly like this. They have to adjust if they want
to fly to one side or the other.So for instance, I'll pick on
myself, I'm a seven, I've got 8 and 6.
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I don't lean to the six very much.
I usually lean to that, to the 8.
I can feel that eight a little bit more.
So now again, you've found your primary number.
You've looked at what number yougo to in stress, what number you
go to in health. One wing on one side and maybe
even another wing on the other side.
So really you didn't learn aboutone number.
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It's kind of important to understand 5 numbers, right?
And don't get me started. When you try to figure out what
your spouse's number is, then you've got a whole lot of other
numbers to remember as well. Three levels of health.
This is true for everybody. Does not just the Enneagram
healthy? You understand what healthy is,
right? It's kind of hard to recognize
what your number even is a lot of times.
Nines are not nines. They're just really healthy
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people. They're just very self aware,
goes to therapy, journals, praise, meditates, whatever your
your health is, they just do that and you don't really know
your number because you're just really healthy.
The average person is a little bit on autopilot and they just
kind of live in their own strength.
That's the majority of the people.
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When I've read, statistically, that's what most of us are
doing. Sometimes we dip into the
unhealthy and sometimes we kind of come up into the healthy, but
that's kind of the realms that we're talking about.
I have a question just before you jump in.
Can your stress or your health numbers be reflective of where
you are in your cycle? From the reading that I've done,
and I'm not a hormone specialistby any means, your core anagram
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number, your core personality type, all of that is always
going to be the same primary, same thing as when you were in
the worst season of your life and you just lost a loved one or
you got divorced or something horrible happened to you as the
best part of your life. You're still that primary
personality type. It's just kind of how you were
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creative. That's who you are.
However, your cycle does mess with you in all different kinds
of ways. And so I would say depending
upon where you are in life, either too, like if you're
younger like me, a little pre paramenopause, menopause or
beyond, I would journal things out.
I would definitely journal things out and be like, man, I
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felt like I was way more in my stress.
And then look at it according toyour calendar and see where you
are. Because my guess is you're going
to see a dramatic difference during like your luteal phase
versus your, you know, all that.But that's a really good
question. OK guys, how fun was that?
Taylor brought such a fresh, relatable take on the Enneagram,
especially for US women running businesses while living life on
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the road. And next week in Part 2, Taylor
goes even deeper. She shows us what each type
looks like under stress and how to shift back into a healthier
state. She also shares a simple tool
for recognizing when you're veering off course and how to
course correct before burnout hits you.
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The best part? Next week in the episode is when
our girl Nancy, hello again. She goes from feeling like she
doesn't belong to any number to landing on a type that feels so
her right. It's the perfect reminder that
the Enneagram isn't about boxingyou in, it's about giving you
tools to better understand yourself.
You're not going to want to missit.
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I will see you next week, guys. Thank you so much for tuning in
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next week or hopefully I will see you on the road.
Your core anagram number, your core personality type, all of
that is always going to be the same primary, same thing as when
you were in the worst season of your life and you just lost a
loved one or you got divorced orsomething horrible happened to
you as the best part of your life.
You're still that primary personality type.
It's just kind of how you were created.
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That's who you are. Welcome back to the RV Queens
podcast where we are all about women making money on the road.
I'm your host Kate White, and today we're picking up where we
left off in our Enneagram series.
If you tuned in last week, you heard a high level overview of
the Enneagram and a get to know you conversation with Taylor
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Smith, who is a full time traveler, yoga teacher, and
Enneagram enthusiast. In this episode, Taylor's back
and this time she's leading a live workshop we hosted inside
the RV Queen Circles. She walks us through all nine
Enneagram types and shares how your number can show up in your
business, your relationships, and even on those chaotic travel
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days we all know too well. One of the most powerful moments
of the night came from a community member named Nancy.
Hi Nancy. She started the night not
feeling like she fit into any type.
She even said, I don't like being put in a box.
I mean, a lot of us can relate, right?
But by the end of the workshop, she found an Enneagram number
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that resonated deeply with her and gave the prize that she won
at the end of the night to someone else.
Because in her words, figuring out my number was the real win.
I love that. If you've ever felt unsure about
your Enneagram type or had an inconclusive test result, this
episode will open your eyes to what's possible.
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OK, real quick before we dive in, I want to tell you about
something I am super excited foron May 8th, 2025.
Yes, that is coming up soon. I'm Co hosting a live workshop
with business strategist Dora Rankin called Podcasts and
Partnerships. I will be sharing the exact
steps I took to build and monetize the RV Queens podcast
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while traveling full time with my family over the past two
years and Dora will be teaching how to use your voice and your
values to land aligned brand partnerships.
If you've been thinking about launching a podcast or wondering
how to turn your current podcastinto something that actually
grows your business and your income, this workshop is for
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you. Space is limited, so head to
dorarankinconsulting.com/podcastsand Partnerships.
Don't worry, the link is in the show notes to save your spot
today. I cannot wait to see you there.
All right, my friends, without further ado, let's get into the
episode. Grab your coffee and let's roll.
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Hi, welcome, welcome everyone. If you're not familiar with
Taylor Smith, she is awesome. She is a multi passionate
person. She's a yoga teacher, she is a
graphic designer. She's an Enneagram aficionado.
She was recently featured on RV Queens podcast talking about the
Enneagram, and hopefully you hada chance to listen to that
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before this. And if you didn't, that's all
right. Tonight, she's going to be
talking with us about how the Enneagram and knowing you're
more about your personality can help you as you run a business
and then your endeavors. So I'm going to let Taylor take
the stage. OK.
Well, thank you, Kate and Kim for all the hard work that you
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guys do. So some of it's going to be a
little bit of a review from whenI was on the podcast.
If you got chance to listen to that, you can still listen to
that later. It's still fine.
You're still going to be able togo ahead.
So I'm going to start by talkingabout why do you even care?
Why do we care about the Enneagram, right?
I talked about on the podcast and Kate, you seem to like
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really like this part. So I really wanted to push it to
explain it to you. Not everybody sees the world
through the same lens as you, asme, as my neighbor, as my
husband, etcetera. So some of us have like a zoom
in lens where we look at all thedetails.
Other people are drone and they're up really high and kind
of just looking at the overall picture of things.
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And we'll get more into that in a minute.
Why do you care about specifically because of the RV
life, right? So we've got we have to
communicate with everybody. We have to communicate with the
people that live in our tiny house on wheels.
We have to communicate with the people that we work for, we work
with, we want to work for, we want to work with people in our
campground, our kids, our family, all that.
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And then contact resolution goesthrough that.
Obviously, the way you communicate, the way you resolve
conflicts in your life. And then as an RV entrepreneur,
how does that affect your productivity?
If you're content creators, how does that affect that as well?
We're skipping through a lot of these because I want to make
sure I don't go over. But who here has ever asked
themselves this question? Or has your spouse, if you're
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married, ask you, why are you the way you are?
Who am I? Why am I the way I am?
So I think of the enneagram as alens, but also a tool so we can
help to find the answer to that question.
So what is the enneagram? And I'm kind of flying through
because you can obviously research more in depth about
this, but nine is ennea in the original language.
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And then grams a diagram. So it's a nine sided diagram.
And in the podcast we talked about the 9 little circles
feeling like a Ferris wheel. Funny thing is, 1 is not at the
top, 9 is at the top. We'll talk about why that is in
a minute. Simon Synick did this Ted Talk
that people don't buy what you do, they buy why you do it.
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And a lot of us that have followings in social media
understand that you follow people that are just so
connected to you and you understand why they do that
thing. They might do the same thing
fifty other people do, but the way they do it, you'd like drive
with. That's why you follow them.
That's kind of what we're going to talk about with the in E
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ground. So there's 9 core numbers, basic
personality types. By the end of this, we'll talk
about how even if you have one primary number, you're going to
relate to like 5 different numbers really.
And that's one of the books thatI reference a lot in here too.
So the English word personality derived from the Latin word
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mask. So sometimes we wear a mask,
right? We kind of mask things.
I'll kind of refer back to lenses and masks
interchangeably. Sometimes it talks about where
the Enneagram comes from. So depending on what part of the
world you're in, you might say this is where the Incans claim
that they found this on their etchings on The Cave.
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And then Asian cultures will saylike, well, no, we found this in
our ancient history books. So from all the research I've
done, kind of who knows is the answer.
I guess I'm going to say for theshort story version, but
Americans for the most part understands that 1990s and on is
when America was introduced to the Enneagram for the most part.
So there was a Friar Franciscan man, Richard Rohr, and he
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released that book, the Christian perspective, the
Enneagram from the Christian perspective.
So that's when people that spokeEnglish were really kind of more
made aware of it. I have a fun little diagram here
that I was like referencing before.
Like imagine that you're I'm hanging out with people on a
Ferris wheel. We're all at a fair.
Each of us has a little ride, a little cart.
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Now, if there are a couple sevens, for instance, I'm just
gonna pick on me and Kate because we're both sevens for
sure. We're sitting in the seven Cup
together. We see things through the same
lens, if you will. We're still different people.
We still have different reasons why we answer certain things,
but we are similar in that way. If we're A7, for instance, we
can look up a little bit on the Ferris wheel across the way and
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we can see the ones we'll talk about why there's an arrow
leaning from 7:00 to 1:00. We can't look down a little bit
at the fives and we can kind of see what the fives are doing.
I know a couple of you, at leastone of you's in here is pretty
sure you're a nine or 9 ranked high in your testing, but it's
real hard. You just can't figure out what
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you are. It's because the nines, if you
imagine that Ferris wheel analogy, if you're at the nine
cup and you're looking down, youcan see into every other cup.
You're looking at everyone else's little basket so you can
relate to everyone. This is the hardest number to
type. These are the people that
usually call me or text me if they're friends of mine and they
know I'm interested in this and they're like help me.
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I can't figure this out. So check that in the back of
your head for those of you who maybe had a hard time trying to
figure out what number they were.
But we have a 9 sided circle if you will.
We have numbers next to each other and remember that the
nines at the top instead of 1 ones, they're known as the
reformer. They're also sometimes known as
the perfectionist. It it depends.
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I'm married to one, been with one for 18 years.
I'm very familiar with the ones.And if you look on the screen to
the left, you'll see the different quotes at the bottom.
These are the quotes that ones often times will find themselves
saying or people will say them about them.
You don't like it when people ignore or break the rules.
You like to keep the RV tidy, plan the travel routes you love,
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checklist, that kind of stuff, right?
Kim's just laughing. So everybody has different
levels of health and we'll talk about that when we go through
all non numbers. Everyone's going to be healthy
at their best. There's a big category in the
middle where you're kind of on autopilot, which I honestly live
a lot of right now in my life. And then what you look like kind
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of when you're at your worst, those feel free, like I said, to
screen capture those. But those are kind of the
differences where you can see the benefits of that type.
Like, oh, wow, I would love to be friends with someone who's
productive, my list, idealistic and very conscientious and
orderly. But then you're like, oh,
uptight, controlling, anxious, jealous.
I don't know if I want to call myself that or I don't.
I don't want to be friends with that, but that's how your works.
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We'll talk about that too. So I've added to each of these
slides some suggestions. It doesn't have to be something,
but the queen idea I have for a one is someone who's an online
educator. There's other, obviously I
talked to Kim, I think it was Kim about it.
Ones are usually like in the thecorporate world, the pilots, the
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surgeons, the people that are the detail oriented will make
sure to check every single checklist before they move on
with their job. So that's like the corporate
version of what A1 would be. Everybody and every number has a
core fear, a core desire, the weakness, and then the longing.
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And that's what I was talking about earlier with the pilot and
the surgeon. You can see that there.
It makes sense to everybody. All these fears people are going
to relate to. But the core desire and the core
longing will really differentiate because a lot of
people will read this and go, well, yeah, I'm fear of being
bad and evil and angry, but I don't really have the same
longing. I don't really have the same
desire, so kind of read ahead onthat.
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So moving to #2 I know we don't have any here, but this is a
very common number statisticallywhen I've researched like what
are the average numbers that aremost popular?
You'll, you'll run into a lot ofthese and they're one of the
easiest numbers to relate to, especially if you've ever had
children. Maybe you don't have children at
home anymore or maybe you don't have children, but if you've
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ever had children, you probably went through a season of your
life where you kind of felt likethat because you're always
helping someone. Definitely a great listener.
The friends that you have that you can think of are Co workers
where you're like, man, they really want to know how my
daughter's soccer game was or they really want to know why we
traveled to so and so. Like that could have been one A
good queen idea. I thought for this would be a
Wellness or a health coach or a life coach.
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Like in the corporate world, a lot of time nurses are twos.
I know a lot of us had like corporate life before RV life.
So that's an example there. They've got a fear, a desire,
their core weakness. I'm going to kind of skim over
this because we don't have anybody in the group now, but
feel free to screen capture it if you're like, oh, I think my
husband or my mom or whatever, freeze.
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So the achiever and we had a question that I'm going to talk
later in the Q&A about that related to this because there
was a three that said I used to be a three, but I don't know if
I am anymore. The three is the queen idea is
the team builder. Really don't like the word
influencer, but I say it becauseit it makes sense to people.
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It's the people that can rally the troops and influence people.
They can be at their best, they can be out their worst, just
like all the numbers they in thecorporate world.
Think of the CEOs like the big, big, big network marketing
people. Fear, desire, weakness, longing,
screen capture, if you will. 4 is the artist.
So it doesn't have to be an actual artist, paints in hand.
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But a little more about 20 yearsago would have been the emo
people. Like people who were more in
their emotions is kind of when you hear of the fours, they
don't feel like they kind of fitin with everybody else.
I know we all have kind of imposter syndrome, but they have
like deep imposter syndrome. They don't feel like they really
belong. So we've got that, that their
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longing is to be seen and loved.So that kind of makes sense,
right? A lot of hair stylists.
I've actually known a few yoga teachers that are also.
And the really neat little side note I always like to point out
with this is writers, people that write books and movies and
manuscripts. They've used the Enneagram for
years. And now that you've learned more
about it, you'll start watching movies and you'll start
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realizing, oh, I can figure out what this number is.
So has anybody or everybody probably has seen Edward
Scissorhands? They based Johnny Depp's
character off of an Enneagram 4.Like kind of very in themselves
unique and different. Funny thing is, is Johnny Depp
has also come out to say that heis an Enneagram 4.
So like, that part was perfect for that actor.
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So with visionaries, you are often the person who likes to be
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set aside. Your social batteries might
deplete a little faster than other people, so you like to be
in solitude a little bit more. But you kind of feel like that
because like it says here, you think thoughts are more reliable
than feelings. Like you can't always trust your
feelings, which is opposite fromthe four.
The four trust their feelings more than anything else.
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So for the queen idea with this one, I thought online course
creator, somebody who creates anonline course would be really
good because fives are also usually the smartest person in
the room. Whether they are boastful about
that and like believe they're the smartest person in the room,
they usually are the smartest person in the room about things
too. But of course, at their worst
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that can get too arrogant. So we'll go through that in a
minute. So corporate jobs,
administration, researching things, teachers, tech jobs,
that's often a 5-6. This is an analyst type person.
And the best way for me to describe this person, they would
be excellent at being a risk management person for like
insurance, like somebody who looks at everything and can
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immediately figure out what's wrong in the situation, what can
be assessed, what can be changed.
Ones are usually good at this too.
So it gets kind of confusing. And this is like for an RV
example, they always have backupplans to travel plans.
Like I wish I had more 6 becausethey always know well, if that
doesn't work, we can do this, this or this.
That's great. Great trait to have with RV.
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So I said safety coach insurance, that's a really good
one. The fear, the desire, the
weakness, the longing. The longing is to be safe
because they don't always feel like they are enthusiasts.
So this is me and Kim and Kate do we love to meet everyone at
the campground usually. So that's a good example.
Do you have a bit of FOMO sometimes over things does not
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plan rest days often this is zero.
Maybe it depends is usually optimistic and witty and joyful
but also can be escapist where it gets too overwhelming and you
just do nothing and can be more self-destructive in not
regulating the highs and the lows.
This is so amazing. I love this travel day.
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This is the worst travel day ever.
It's been raining for three dayslike that kind of up and down
South Queen idea for them is travel Blogger, which I know a
lot of us already do even thoughwe wouldn't call ourselves that.
You are video sometimes documenting your travels, so
that would work any kind of pop up like I do pop up yoga or I
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know someone who's A7 who travels full time and she does
jewelry. So she sells jewelry at
different campgrounds, like justkind of spur the moment she
doesn't like plan it out. It just happens like, oh, I have
jewelry, I'll sell it. And entertainers.
The best example in the corporate world or in the
Hollywood world I give is Robin Williams was an Enneagram 7.
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So like that overwhelming high energy type of person.
So after comedian, travel writer, artists, a lot of
musicians are sevens. So we've got feel free to screen
capture this, the fear, the desire, the weakness and the
longing and eight. So keep in mind too, if I've
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already said your numbers, don'tpay attention to the numbers
around your numbers. So you're going to learn more
about that. We can go back if we need to.
It's the challenger. The best description I have for
this is it's in the corporate world known for a lot of
attorneys are any gram eights. So they're very strong wills,
but they're also usually right. And they like to let everyone
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know that this is the best path forward.
And they consider arguing kind of intimacy.
I'm not married to an aide, but I have a friend who is.
And I'm like that that could getheated.
But then at the end of the the argument, it's like, oh, I feel
so much closer to you. That would be an 8.
They never do things halfway. They're usually very full.
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They are great event coordinators.
Like if you want someone in charge of your wedding, your
children's wedding, your birthday party, your big event,
you probably want to 8. Who's in charge of that?
CE OS, add execs, stuff like that.
Nine is our last number, so that's the peacemaker.
And like I said earlier, this ishard to to test.
A lot of people aren't sure if there are 9 because they kind of
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just go with the flow and they relate to everybody and they're
friends with everybody in every single friend group and they
don't feel like they want to be put in like a box because they
can relate to everybody. That is that example of being in
the Ferris wheel and looking down and you can kind of
understand and feel what everybody else is going through.
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Very empathetic people as well. So queen idea for this nature
guide, an editor, someone who maybe doesn't want to be in
front of the camera, but wants to just do like UGC type stuff.
Like I'm just going to, I'm going to document this, take
pictures, videos, send it to somebody and they're going to
pay me for it. But I don't want to be in charge
of putting it out on social media and pushing it.
That would be a good queen idea.And so then we have writers,
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artists, therapists, musicians, their fear, desire, weakness and
longing. The best example of nine is if
you're ever in a friend group and someone says, hey, where do
you guys wanna go to lunch? And everyone kind of has an
opinion, but there's always thatone friend that's like, wherever
you guys go, yeah, whatever. And they're just super
easygoing. Most of the times that falls in
line with somebody who's the 9th, they do actually have a
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preference. Like I want to go to this Thai
place I went to last week, but I'm not going to say that
because if I say that and somebody doesn't like the tie,
I'm going to feel like I made a bad decision.
That's kind of my example of theninth.
So find your, find your number, your primary number on the
circle. And because there's three of us,
I'm kind of going to start with a sevens, since we know sevens.
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So 7, you'll notice there's an arrow that goes to the one.
Everybody has a number that the arrow points to.
So for seven, it's one. For A1 penny, you're pointing to
the four. And then let's see, we had a 5.
So if you're A5, you're pointingto the seven.
And then I think we had a three,three points to the 9.
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Did I miss anybody of the primary numbers?
That's number the question. I don't fit into anyone number I
don't feel. What does that mean?
Do you feel like you fit into more than one or none of them?
Do you really relate to a littlebit of all of them?
Did you take the test or not? Not yet.
I took the test a long time ago,and I think I felt the same way
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back then. When Kim posted earlier today
the link to the Eclectic Energies website.
That test I'd like because it's short and it's kind of sweetness
to the point I would say take itagain and you'll get
percentages. You'll get, well, you might be
this, you might be this, and youmight be this, and then you can
narrow it down a little bit. But I'm not going to guess that
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you're a nine just because I said some people have problems
guessing. That's OK.
We can go through this again with you later.
You can even message me and that's fine.
So if you don't relate to any one number, it doesn't mean
you're a nine. It's just you've got a higher
likelihood of being a nine. And you can always reference
back to this. But I'd say take that test
again. And Nancy, when you take that
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test, if I haven't said this outloud already, if you get stuck
on questions, and this is true for any of you, if you want to
retest because you're like, maybe this doesn't make any
sense to me, Answer the questions the way that 1819 year
old Nancy would have answered them.
Unless you got married at 18 or 19 because that's usually when
you were like the most yourself.You might have changed.
Obviously we changed a lot from 19 on.
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But if you get stuck on a question, think how would 1819
Nancy would have answered that question and then move on.
That's kind of my advice though.Thank you.
Yeah, you're very welcome and I'm happy if you want to message
me later. I'm totally fine with that too.
OK, so we all have a number thatwe went to, right?
Everybody had a number that the arrow went to.
So that number is going towards your stress number is the number
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that we all looked at. So from 7, you go to 1, from A5
you would go to seven. So Queen, that was a three would
go to 9. And Penny, you're 1, you go to
four, that's your stress number.So that's your number that when
you're not healthy, when you're in stress, so you're really kind
of like, I've had a lot to do. This is too much.
I'm I'm overwhelmed. So for instance, me, Kim and
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Kate, we're sevens. So we go to 1 not to pick on
Penny because Penny said she wasone.
It doesn't mean we look like Penny when we're stressed.
It means we look like the anxious side of 1.
And so real quick, I don't want to pick, but I just want to go
back. So let's look.
This is why this is important for the one ones at their best,
great, ethical, reliable, productive, a little idealistic,
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but at their worst, they're morejudgmental.
They're not as flexible, they'revery dogmatic.
Everything is black and white. They're very critical.
So I will speak for myself that when I'm in a lot of stress and
I'm in like more of a stressful season, I start getting more
black and white when normally there's all kinds of Gray area
in my life. I'm like, no, it has to be done
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like this. We can't take a detour because
that will change. And then I need to check lesson.
I'm kind of controlling and I'm being uptight.
And I realized that about myselfbecause I know that that's where
I go to. So that's what that number
means, the stress number, that'swhat that means.
So everybody has a stress number, but the good news is
everybody has a health number. So seven goes to one.
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It's the negative side. Then I'm going to quickly talk
about where you go when you're in health or in this case,
security. So your security number, I'm
picking on the seven again, is when you go to A5.
And I'm going to skip back to five.
Since there's three of us numbersevens, we need to remember what
the five is all about, the healthy 5.
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So we're not looking at the AT their worst side, we're looking
at the AT their best. So when we're really healthy,
we're a little analytical, but we're also sensitive to other
things. We can think of things
objectively and we're very perceptive on details and we're
like healthy in that we know howto say no.
Sevens aren't usually great about saying no, so we over
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commit ourselves to things. But when we're really healthy,
we're like, yeah, you know, I'm just going to read a book and
stay in tonight instead of goingto that thing somebody invited
me to. So that's your health and your
stress. There's going to be questions
because I flew through that. So again, we can talk later.
Maybe we need to have an Enneagram Part 2.
But the reason why I brought that up is because we talked
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about it in the podcast as well.I feel like the best way to use
the Enneagram in business and interpersonal skills in trying
to pitch brands if that's what you're doing, and trying to film
YouTube videos if that's what you're doing.
Think of the Enneagram in two ways, the lens, how you see the
world, and also as the rumble strip.
So the example I give is pretendlike you're driving on the road
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and I'm the passenger Princess. So I'm not the driver.
But if you were driving your rigor if you had a big truck and
you're like, you know, a big trucker, you're a bus driver and
you're driving a big rig and youstart to veer off your lane.
You're going to hit the rumble strips.
And you can feel though, and that tells you to do something.
It's your warning. Hey, alert, if you're drowsy,
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wake up, get back in the lane. You're veering off course.
The Enneagram over the years hashelped me so much to be my
rumble strip because I know whatI look like.
I'm when I'm healthy in A7 and then I look and I pay attention
more of when, oh, I'm on the rumble strips.
I'm getting very on the negativeside of one right now.
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I need to recorrect and redirectmyself.
So that's the security, the stress.
So already we've talked about your primary number.
Then you go to a number in stress, then you go to a number
in health, and then in a second we're going to talk about wings.
And so really you are one primary number, but you've
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already learned about 3 different numbers and we're
going to hit two more at the end.
So what about wings? There are wings.
Look at your number again. On either side of your primary
number is another number. So if you're A7, you're going to
see an 8 and a six. If you're a one, you're going to
see a nine and a 232 and four and then 5-6 and four.
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Those are all the ladies who were in with us today.
If you're a nine, eight and one,when you're looking at these
numbers, it's helpful to know a little bit about all the numbers
because for instance, if you were a one, the nine and the two
are very different numbers. Remember we said 9 is someone
who's extremely good with the flow.
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Whatever you guys want to do, that's fine with me.
That's not what I just describedas the one, right?
So ones will go hope definitely not the 9.
I don't have any nine in me at all.
Think that. I bet you you can find sometimes
in your life when you were really healthy, you were taking
care of yourself, you were managing your stress, you were
just in a good place. So you didn't really care where
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you went to lunch. It wasn't, you know, like, oh,
the group wants to do that, cool, like I'll do that.
But the negative part of two could also be your other wing.
The helpful or negative part of two and two is also not very
much like 1-2 is the helper. Ones want to do it all
themselves and do it good and doit right.
Twos are helpers. I'm married to a one who has
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balanced wings so he can lean into the 9 when it doesn't
really matter to him. He's fine with going with the
flow for the two. He's very helpful.
He's opening doors, he's liftingthings, he's moving.
I always used to think it was just because he was raised in
Texas, but I think it's really ahelpful side of him that he just
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wants to be helpful. She's still predominantly one
through and through, but he really does have both of those
sides. You might have balanced wings
just like a bird. You might balance a little bit
off, like if a bird needs to turn, they're not going to try
to fly like this. They have to adjust if they want
to fly to one side or the other.So for instance, I'll pick on
myself, I'm a seven, I've got 8 and 6.
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I don't lean to the six very much.
I usually lean to that, to the 8.
I can feel that eight a little bit more.
So now again, you've found your primary number.
You've looked at what number yougo to in stress, what number you
go to in health. One wing on one side and maybe
even another wing on the other side.
So really you didn't learn aboutone number.
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It's kind of important to understand 5 numbers, right?
And don't get me started. When you try to figure out what
your spouse's number is, then you've got a whole lot of other
numbers to remember as well. Three levels of health.
This is true for everybody. Does not just the Enneagram
healthy? You understand what healthy is,
right? It's kind of hard to recognize
what your number even is a lot of times.
Nines are not nines. They're just really healthy
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people. They're just very self aware,
goes to therapy, journals, praise, meditates, whatever your
your health is, they just do that and you don't really know
your number because you're just really healthy.
The average person is a little bit on autopilot and they just
kind of live in their own strength.
That's the majority of the people.
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When I've read, statistically, that's what most of us are
doing. Sometimes we dip into the
unhealthy and sometimes we kind of come up into the healthy, but
that's kind of the realms that we're talking about.
I have a question just before you jump in.
Can your stress or your health numbers be reflective of where
you are in your cycle? From the reading that I've done,
and I'm not a hormone specialistby any means, your core anagram
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number, your core personality type, all of that is always
going to be the same primary, same thing as when you were in
the worst season of your life and you just lost a loved one or
you got divorced or something horrible happened to you as the
best part of your life. You're still that primary
personality type. It's just kind of how you were
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creative. That's who you are.
However, your cycle does mess with you in all different kinds
of ways. And so I would say depending
upon where you are in life, either too, like if you're
younger like me, a little pre paramenopause, menopause or
beyond, I would journal things out.
I would definitely journal things out and be like, man, I
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felt like I was way more in my stress.
And then look at it according toyour calendar and see where you
are. Because my guess is you're going
to see a dramatic difference during like your luteal phase
versus your, you know, all that.But that's a really good
question. OK guys, how fun was that?
Taylor brought such a fresh, relatable take on the Enneagram,
especially for US women running businesses while living life on
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the road. And next week in Part 2, Taylor
goes even deeper. She shows us what each type
looks like under stress and how to shift back into a healthier
state. She also shares a simple tool
for recognizing when you're veering off course and how to
course correct before burnout hits you.
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The best part? Next week in the episode is when
our girl Nancy, hello again. She goes from feeling like she
doesn't belong to any number to landing on a type that feels so
her right. It's the perfect reminder that
the Enneagram isn't about boxingyou in, it's about giving you
tools to better understand yourself.
You're not going to want to missit.
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I will see you next week, guys. Thank you so much for tuning in
to today's episode and for beingpart of the RV Queens community.
Remember to hit subscribe on whatever platform you're
listening on. And guess what?
You can have conversations like I had on this episode with your
fellow RV women who are living intentionally and making money
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rvqueenspodcast.com/community tojoin RV Queens circles today.
It's a totally unique online space with a shared prosperity
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next week or hopefully I will see you on the road.
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