Aidan vs Big: Mud Showdown - Sex and the City S4 E10

This is our season 4 finale, can you believe it? In this episode (one of Trev's picks) the SATC men exhibit some toxic masculinity and misogyny too. Carrie invites Big to Aidan's cabin, Charlotte tells Trey he needs to get his sperm tested, Richard refuses to give Samantha a job at his company, and Miranda has to stop Steve from getting an artificial testicle. We also reveal which show we are talking about next! (Hint: you will fist pump when you find out!)

Episode Transcript

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Hello. Hello.

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So what, no fucking ziti now?
Don't make me laugh.
Hi, welcome to you know that episode. I'm Victoria.
And I'm Trev. We're two friends who watch too much TV.
We break down iconic episodes of good shows.
And bad.
And explain why we feel the way we do.
Today we're talking about season 4, episode 10 of Sex and the City, titled Bells of the Balls,

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which aired on July 29th, 2001.
And this is one of your favorite episodes, Trev.
I love this episode. It's one that I weirdly watch a lot, but not for the reason I think most people would assume.
So when we were first picking our episodes, I asked you, like, is the mud wrestling episode going to be on your list?

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And you were immediately like, yes. Tell me what the reason is.
So I, obviously I love the mud wrestling. I love the Aiden and Big of it all.
And I like that at the end we do get a sort of like armistice between them when they're having breakfast after their fight.
But what I really love about this episode is I like all the B-plot stuff more than I like the kind of Carrie Aiden, Big of it all.

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Like Steve's Testicle Issue, Samantha's Job, The Opportunity in Charlotte.
I like all that a lot because it's just so insane to me.
Like I think all of the men in this episode are so annoying.
This is a very annoying man episode.
Yeah, like all of them are on their worst behavior.

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Really, truly.
And I, like Steve was getting on my nerves, Tre was getting on my nerves, Big was being such a douchebag, Aiden with his macho bullshit.
And Richard is the worst.
And Richard being such a sexist asshole.
And it's like, I think there are different tiers in this episode of how annoying the men are too.

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Like Richard is, Richard and Big to me are bottom of the barrel.
Big is the most annoying. Big is even more annoying than Richard.
I agree. He's so pathetic. He's so self-loathing. He's so self-involved. He refuses to see how anyone else feels.
Like you show up at your ex-girlfriend's new man's cabin in the woods on a long weekend to get drunk and complain about his new girlfriend.

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Who treats him like he treated Carrie?
Exactly. Like the part where he was like, and I just followed her around like a lost puppy. I'm like, oh, that's exactly the way Carrie used to do.
Or when he's, he's like, I can always, she can always get in touch with me, but I can never get her.
And I'm like, that's literally what you did with Carrie, like verbatim that is how she described it.

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So like Big is the worst. Richard is the second worst.
Trey sits in the middle for me because again, it's just this like macho adjacent nonsense.
Yeah.
Like refusing to take, to see that the responsibility might be on him, even though at the end of the day we realize it isn't.

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Him biologically, that's the reason they can't get pregnant.
With fear. He's in a bad situation with fear.
He's so terrified of the scenario and Charlotte is truly like being so nice to him, trying so hard to like make him feel better and take responsibility and all that.

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So he's so annoying. Steve and Aiden, I think are very annoying, but I have the most sympathy for them.
Because like Steve going through this.
He's going through something.
He's going through this big medical change and thank God he's like healthy now, but it's like a large shift in your body.
That's going to feel weird for a while, you know, and it feels emasculating.

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I mean, look, as a gay person, a gay man, I don't like a balls or whatever to me.
I don't understand. I've never been like, I've never cared about my balls in the way that straight men seem to.
And I've never cared about like my partner's balls in the way that straight men seem to think that their partners care about it.

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So, but I understand Steve, his point of view of being like, I feel emasculated in an extent, you know, this is something so.
He associates his balls with his manhood.
With his manhood.
And I don't really think gay men do really do that.
In my experiences at least.
And then Aiden, I like, I understand where he's coming from because he doesn't just carry with good reason.

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And he doesn't trust big with even better reason.
Do I think he's, I think he's trying to do the right thing, but he's obviously going to be a bit, be a bitch about it the whole time.
And I think that's his right.
I'm least annoyed by Aiden and Steven this episode.
Exactly.
I am most annoyed with big.

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Yeah. And then Trey.
Oh, man.
Oh, I mean, Richard and Trey are like, I feel like Richard and Trey are tied because they're both doing something that's very sexist.
Like he, Trey is handling his situation with fear.
And for that reason, he comes off as sexist because he's like, why is it immediately me with the problem?

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Like, yeah.
Okay.
So like the problem is Charlotte's eggs and like, I mean, we later find out.
It is.
But he didn't have to handle it and say, no, which is just like,
especially when she's her reasoning isn't because when they blame him, she just wants to know what's going on.
But like, and even then, Charlotte, she brings it up because it's easier and less invasive to test him than it is to test her.

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So it's just like, it's in the steps of like, Hey, obviously something is wrong.
It's easier to test you.
So let's do that first.
Just in case.
Charlotte has tried so hard with Trey on every little thing and Trey never gives any effort.
And for that reason, I find him.
Ben's over backwards.
I find him more annoying than Richard in this episode because Richard is just like the classic case of like the sexist man.

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Because we also don't know Richard's going to stick around.
Right.
We don't really know enough about him, but we've been annoyed with Trey for this exact same issue before.
For like two seasons now.
For two whole seasons.
And so I find him more annoying than Richard.
I agree.
I agree with you 100% on that.
Yeah.
But let's jump into like the whole recipe.
But I, the reason all of that aside, I like it because it is such a weirdly man centric episode.

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Right.
And these women are just befuddled by how these men are acting.
They're acting like such fools.
It's so funny to see them just act their worst.
And it brings out a really, a different side of each of the women, I feel like.
I agree.
I think the person that handles it the best is Charlotte.
Yeah, I agree.

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This is a decent Charlotte, a good Charlotte episode.
This is a good Charlotte episode.
She remains calm and patient longer than I would have.
Oh my God.
Miranda too.
I would say Miranda too.
It's a good episode for her because she lasts a lot longer.
It's a good episode for Miranda, although I would say she's very insensitive.
Like, Steve is going through a, like he's literally survived cancer.
Yes.

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And she's being, I find her to be a little bit insensitive.
Like if it were me, I'd be like, you know what, your feelings are totally valid.
I completely understand that you are feeling that way and you have every right to feel that way.
What can I do?
And finally at the end of the episode, she figures out what she needs to do to not feel
less emasculated, but she doesn't ask him explicitly.

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She just kind of like, figures it out.
So like,
But I will say she, she, she handles it in her own way.
She handles it like Miranda would handle it.
I just get frustrated with like the fact that like he's going through something really major,
something that for a lot of people can be very traumatizing.
Yeah.
And it's,
And I think that's also a layover into his, like feeling emasculated.

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Of like the trauma of like, of his body kind of attacking him in this way.
And now he's missing, he's lost a part of himself he feels like.
I feel like also the emotional ordeal, although I will say Steve, like,
Steve handles it pretty well.
Steve is not scared to be emotionally vulnerable with Miranda, which is very again frustrating when Miranda is just like, Steve, okay, you need to like snap out of it.

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He's very honest with her at every point.
And I feel like he may not even realize that what he needs is kind of to feel like a man in the way that she makes him feel in the end of like sleeping with him and everything like that.
But he does just make it, he's very clear about like, I feel like shit because of this.

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Yeah.
But let's start the episode because it starts with him just being fully emasculated by Samantha.
Right.
Unintentionally.
They're all playing pool and Samantha's up and she's like, only one ball left.
It all comes down to just one ball.
She's just like, her insensitivity is so funny.
She does it.

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She just, it's typical sanitary as shit.
She has no idea.
She has a big mouth and she's just being herself and inevitably people get caught in the crossfire and like, it's one of those like face palm moments are everyone around her hears it and she doesn't hear it.
Yeah.
She's just out of her own mouth and like, Steve is like, okay, and he gets upset and he decides to go to the bar to get a beer and they're like, Samantha and she's like, what?

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She has no idea.
It's so funny.
It's like really funny and Carrie just is like saying the stupidest like dumb idiotic shit.
The purse thing is so stupid.
She literally compares ball sacks to purses and balls to earrings and she keeps on talking about like, yeah, like we, what?

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Ball sacks are like purses for women.
Like if we don't have it, we feel naked without it.
It's so insane.
And then her quote about the earrings was balls are like earrings.
They come in a pair.
Yeah.
It's, I just, she's so aloof.
I also love Samantha interacting with Aiden here.

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How the hell did Kim Katrall get through these lines?
I don't know, but she is crushing it in this episode.
Like how the hell did she manage that?
And make them so fucking funny.
Like hilarious.
Like she makes me laugh out loud.
And Aiden is like, and then Carrie keeps trying to like get her to stop and Aiden's like, no, no, let her finish.

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Aiden loves it.
Aiden, I think, loves Samantha.
She does.
I think he gets a kick out of her.
Cause she's fun, but it's also like big always liked her too.
Samantha's a good time.
Samantha is a good time.
And I think the guy who walks up to her agrees.
So there's this guy who approaches her and he's like, Samantha Jones.
And she's like, Hey, how are you?
She does not remember him.

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We really just not remember the dude at all.
And it's just hilarious how like, I love when she doesn't remember guys.
Like this other episode where the guy calls her and he's like, Hey, I just left my wife.
We can finally be together.
And she's like, who is this?
Oh, I love that episode.
And then the wife calls her too.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
That's a good seat.

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But yeah, I love Samantha.
And like this leads us into her meeting Richard because this guy is one of his architects.
Right.
So the guy says, I'm meeting with Richard right.
And she's like, Oh my God, like I love him.
Is there any way you can set up an appointment for me to handle his PR?
And he's like, I'll see what I can do.
And he walks away.
And she makes the funniest face.
It's truly just like, she's like, what can you do?

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She doesn't, she's not really humiliated by the fact that whatever.
It's also, she's in front of her best friend.
Like she does not care.
I think she's just like, everyone here knows me and knows how I am.
So she doesn't even bother to explain it.
She's just like, they get it.
Anyway, yeah, she's like, anyway.
And then it cuts to Charlotte and Trey talking about their contractors.

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Yeah.
And then, but then right after that, I mean, they're eating Chinese food and Trey is like,
can you pass the Mushu pork?
And she's like, by the way, like we need to go get tested.
The doctor said that we need to get your sperm tested.
Yeah.
And he's a doctor.
He's a doctor.
So he should understand that knowing Trey, knowing all of his sensitivity around his

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penis and his erections and his fertility and his manliness and just all that bullshit.
It's crazy.
He's like, yeah, he gets pissed off and he's like, is it too much to ask to have my Mushu
without a side of sperm?
And it's just like, Charlotte, again, Charlotte tries so hard to handle his insecurity.

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Just like.
And she has a lot more patience than I do because I would be fed up by this point.
He is such a pain.
She is genuinely trying everything she can to just like coddle him in a way.
And it's so, it's so upsetting because she deserves so much better.

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And thankfully she gets that.
But yeah, it's so infuriating because the whole time it's just like, can you fucking just put your pride aside for a split second.
Yeah.
And listen to this woman, you are a doctor, you should understand how these things work.
Just like.
That's the thing.
He's not being very understanding.

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No.
He's not thinking rationally.
No, not at all.
That's the problem.
He's thinking about it as an insecure man.
Yes, which is.
Who in the past has had for not fertility issues.
A rectile dysfunction.
Yeah, rectile dysfunction.
And I think the two things go one in the same because he feels like less of a man.
Yeah.
And this entire episode is about people feeling like less of a man.

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Yeah, it's men being emasculated and the women having to pick up the pieces.
Right.
But he walks out, Charlotte just looks like so dejected.
And I feel bad for her here.
I feel bad for her here too.
But eventually I guess he does come around and agrees to the test, thankfully.
Right.
But I'm sure it took a ton of convincing to do it.

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He also just like, and we see it a lot with Trey throughout his, the storyline with him is that he's so quick to shut down.
That's kind of his biggest personality trait throughout the whole series is that Charlotte can't bring anything up.
She can't talk about his penis when it won't get hard.
She can't talk about bunny.
She can't talk about his sperm.

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Like every time he's kind of the problem.
She needs to walk on eggshells to like convince him that he's the problem almost.
Yeah, he has no accountability on his own.
No.
Charlotte who needs to do all the convincing and she needs to like do it in a careful diplomatic way so that he doesn't get upset or offended.

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And then when she finally does snap at him, it's like everything comes out.
Yeah, and that's way later. We talked about that.
Yeah, and when she's in the shower.
Right.
And it's like it all comes boiling over.
Yeah, she's like, don't talk about the penis.
Don't mention this in front of the penis. It's so funny.
But yeah, so it's just Trey's.
I get, yeah, I, I, Trey is a means to an end.

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Obviously, by the end of it, she meets Harry because of him in some weird way.
So it's all worth it. But yeah, it's, he's such, he sucks.
Yeah, he does. I hate Trey and he's being really annoying in this one.
Yeah.
And it just shows that what's his name? The actor who plays him? Kyle McLaughlin?
Kyle McLaughlin.

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Yes, he's a great actor because I hate Trey.
Yeah, he does a good job in portraying this character.
I would love for Trey to come back a little in like a moment here or there and just like that.
Yeah, so, so Kyle McLaughlin is a great actor. No doubt about it.
I think it would be really cool to see him come back, but I wonder in what way that would be.

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Like.
Yeah, in what capacity?
Yeah.
Maybe he's like LTW's cardiologist or something like that.
Oh my God, imagine.
Like he's like, yeah, he's one of the newer characters, Doctor.
Right.
Like that would be funny.
Yeah.
And a good like full circle moment.
Like Charlotte bumps into him.
Yeah.
Or like they tell her that they bumped into him and she's like, how did he seem?

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Or they're like, oh, I've got this new wonderful, like, or one of the husbands has to go to the doctor.
I got this new hunky doctor.
Yeah, something like that.
And then Carrie gets a big laugh.
Oh my God, that would be funny.
That would be cute.
I mean, they're bringing everyone back.
So.
Right.
Oh, I can't wait to see what's going to happen with Samantha.
I know.
I'm really excited.
I need to get caught up.

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Me too.
That's if we're, if you're listening that we are going to try to talk about it.
Yeah.
We're going to do our best.
No promises.
Okay, let's move on.
So Carrie and Aiden are in her apartment brushing their teeth together and Carrie and men's
underwear is one of the hottest things.
She looks so sexy and he looks so sexy.

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They are the cutest hottest couple.
They just look like, and I mean this is in a very positive way.
They look like kind of like a serious catalog couple.
Yeah.
Like just like very all American nineties sexy couple.
Oh, and they're flirty.
And I love that they're like playful.
Yeah.
Like just they're really adorable.

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She never acts like this with big.
Never.
She never acts this like carefree flirty intimate with big.
You know what it is?
She always has to like vie for Big's attention and beg him for his attention.
Yeah.
And with Aiden she's always had it from the beginning because Aiden I think cherishes
her and realize what a prize she is.

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Yeah.
Big just takes her for granted until the very end.
100%.
I 100% agree.
I hate that.
So she's about to tug on Aiden's balls.
When the phone rings.
When the phone rings and she's he literally says or she says saved by the bell.
Yeah.
And then unfortunately the bell is big.
Yeah.
The bell is big calling to try and see if he can get some like relationship advice.

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Which is so I couldn't imagine being big and calling up the woman who I treated like shit
for years on end and being like and who I had an affair with.
Because the affair has happened at this point.
It's just exhausting.

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This is their second time around the block carrying Aiden and the guy is still in her
life.
Like Aiden handles this so much better than I think I would be able to.
He gives her so much grace.
It's just so fucked up.
The carry being friends with him baffles me.
Like why the fuck is he calling me?
Even if they were like you know what let's be friends in that way that you say to your

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ex will be friends you know.
I've never wanted that to happen.
But you know people do that where they're like you know what we ended on pretty good
terms.
We're friendly if we like it's we're not friends but we're cool you know amicable.
That means don't call me.
In my world that means don't call me.

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That means hey no hard feelings no beef that's it though.
We're not absolute friends.
There's something to say.
Big has nobody because he's a twat.
He has nobody he's alone in life carries the only person who ever.
Other than his driver.
He just has no respect for the boundaries she's very obviously trying to set.

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By being like well I'm it's a it's late I have to go to bed and he just keeps talking
over her.
It's so and then like.
Aiden puts up with a lot and I do understand when he does get really frustrated.
And even then I'm like he's being too nice about it.

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The fact that she when they hang up the fact that she tries to still be in a silly goofy
mood after that is like also just like so mind blowing to me like if that were me I would
be sitting down and being like so how did that make you feel.
Yeah Diva read the room.
Yeah like you don't just like go back to the ball conversation.
Oh like you have to sit down and talk about the fact that your ex who you cheated on me

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with called you at this time of night to talk to you and you also took the call into another
room which made you look really suspicious and Aiden makes a point of yeah he's like
why did you take the call into the other room.
And she was like well I know you don't like it when he calls me and he's like well you
don't have to hide it because I actually don't I hate that more and like the fact that he

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doesn't trust her completely justified.
She I understand her thought process of taking it into the other room because she's like
why put salt in the wound.
Aiden's already going to be upset that he's calling why I don't want to talk to big in
front of him it's just going to upset him more so I can understand a little bit her

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her thought to like well take it inside hopefully it'll be a quick phone call and then it'll
be over and done with but I again I also understand Aiden being like that's f**king suspicious
dude like don't you can't hide it from me even if it makes me uncomfortable.
Honestly the problem is not how and where she took the call the problem is the fact that
he at all 100% it's all it's unbaked.

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She shouldn't have what it's blows my mind if I got a call from and this has happened to
be before I've gotten a message from an ex I literally ignored it and then told Bernie
and it was like my ex just messaged me.
But like and like Bernie still was like like she didn't really like that but we got on
her and like moved on.

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You were also honest about it.
And I think Carrie has lost Aiden's trust and the fact that she keeps the person who
was part of the fact that she lost Aiden's trust in her life is exacerbating the issue.
It should have been cutting you off never talking to you again because I have met a guy who treats
me so well and it's like why would you want to be friends with someone who broke your heart

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like that.
So many times over.
Who has engaged in such nasty behavior with you.
Why would you want to be friends with somebody who made you broke the guy that you're currently
with's heart.
Over and over and over again.
None of it makes sense and none of it makes sense.
It does not make any sense from all accounts.

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Every angle and direction that I look at it from I'm like Carrie is a fucked up person
for staying friends with him and keeping him at every single chance he gets big breaks
her heart or ruins her life.
So I don't understand the continued desire to like give him space to give him thought
to give him any like time of day.
But Carrie she's fucked up.

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She's a fucked up person and she just refuses to let this man go.
And I will say I think it's good in this scene that Aiden is the one who answers the phone
call.
Because then at least at the beginning he's fully aware of what's taking place.
I think if she had answered it and took it in the other room and then like told him afterwards.
Yeah.

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Didn't she do that.
Oh yeah I'm sure she do that once because like I don't know if it's been uncomfortable
with big since the beginning.
But like I remember a point I swear I feel like I remember an episode where he called
and she lied and said it was somebody else and then like went and met him.
I think it was the first time she was with Aiden not the second time.

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Yes I agree.
I think so too.
I don't know.
Yeah but it's just like I think that's good and it makes the scene a little bit more dynamic
because Aiden is the one who's going to be kind of bringing it up and it doesn't give
Carrie the option to lie which when we see anytime she gets the option to lie she will

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lie almost without fail.
I continued watching a little bit after watching this episode just because I was like tidying
up in the living room and stuff like that and the episode auto played and it's the next
episode is the one where Miranda finds out she's pregnant and they all talk about abortions
and everything like that and she tells Aiden that she's never had an abortion.

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So it's like she just will lie at every chance she gets.
So I think it's good that she kind of doesn't have the option here.
I think I like Aiden being a macho man for two minutes.
I do.
I think it's funny and cute and I think he's in his right.
I think yeah.
He's like no you're my girl and if he comes around here I will beat his asshole.
The scene with Pete is so funny.

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I love when he's like Pete is my sidekick right Pete?
And like the Batman and Green Horde analogy is so stupid and then it cuts into the next
scene of like yes it's so Aiden and then it cuts into the next scene and it's like what
do superheroes have to do with it?
And it's like yeah what do the superheroes have to do with it?

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He was kind of right but like the T would have been Batman versus Superman not Batman
versus Green Lantern.
Aiden definitely gives more Superman good boy next door, boy scout.
And it makes complete sense because in the fight between Batman and Superman Batman won
but at what cost?
But yeah I just like it's so silly.

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I like Macho Man Aiden more than I like Macho Man any other character in this episode and
all of them are different.
Aiden's the only one who's allowed to be the Macho Man because he never is like that normal.
No he's so him and Steve it's exactly the reason they get away with it in this episode
is because they're so sensitive.
Yeah it's such departures that normally are in their normal lives and it's like okay

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these are reactions to things.
This isn't their normal standard mode.
Big Tray and Richard are.
But yeah in the French scene Carrie's dress is so cute, pink with polka dots and her
hair looks cute too and Charlotte's like we're gonna have Tray's sperm tested.
Is it not doing well in school?
Is the funniest slide in the entire episode?

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Miranda says to Charlotte is it not doing well in school?
It's so funny.
It's so funny.
Miranda is very funny when she's not miserable.
Which is far and few between.
More often than not she is miserable.
One thing about these characters, Carrie will always lie, Miranda will always be miserable.
I know.

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Miranda the thing is she's sarcastic and I don't think she means to be funny.
No.
She's just the dry.
Yeah she doesn't put like it's so funny watching her and Samantha quip like next to each other
because everything Samantha says is like there's like a thick sauce on it.
It is dripping with joke.

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She's trying to be funny.
Where Miranda's just like deadpan that is a fucking crouton with nothing.
It's just hard to swallow, it's dry and it's so funny.
Only those of strong intellect will find Miranda funnier than Samantha.
Yes but Carrie they always cut to Carrie after Miranda's jokes and you always see her giggling

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and I believe it. I think she would love it.
I think so too.
But yeah, I like this brunch scene.
Me too. It's just a quick one, nothing major happens really.
And immediately cuts to Carrie in her apartment writing about all of the men.

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And she's like...
What does she say?
I forget exactly what she says.
What are men if not... what are women if not...
She goes what are women if not men without balls?
Yeah, the...
Oh no, no, she said what are men if not women with balls?
Yes, it's so...

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Because also at brunch Samantha makes a joke about how she trays time in the month.
Because he flies off the handle.
So this whole scene or this like little bit of the episode is just...
The gender politics of this episode are wild.
I love when the women make fun of men but I don't like when they...

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It's like misogynistic making fun of the men.
Where it's like oh he's just being a... is it his time of the month?
It is a weird...
Don't reduce them to women and say like okay because this man is acting like this or that.
Especially when the men are acting in a negative way.
Right, they're perpetuating misogyny and sexism instead of being like oh men are actually more fragile than they pretend to be and macho.

(29:26):
Like men are afraid of vulnerability.
Like that would be a better way to explain what they're going through rather than saying like oh they're acting girly, they're acting like women, they're acting like pussy.
It's like a weird mix of misogyny and toxic masculinity.
Yeah, it's internalized misogyny.
And like an outward portrayal of like well these men are enacting like men.

(29:47):
They're not acting like they should be.
Right.
So yeah, Steve the... so it comes to Steve and Miranda and they're like walking down the side of the dog.
And behind the dog and Steve's like look at that dog's ballsack.
And Miranda's like no.
She's like I'm all good.
Steve is so depressed right now it's like really sad.

(30:10):
It is but it's so stupid too.
It's kind of dumb but I ended like he's he just went through something really traumatic.
Yeah, he gets up again he gets a pass but it is just like this hardcore focus on the visual of it all because obviously he's still like virile.
We see that because he knocks Miranda up.

(30:32):
The doctors have given him a clean bill of health like he's not they shouldn't affect his fertility.
He doesn't have cancer.
But he's yeah.
It's a purely aesthetic thing at this point that's really digging deep into his psyche.
Exactly.
And Miranda's just like okay.
You're not getting a fake prosthetic.

(30:55):
But she does agree to go with him to the appointment.
Right. She goes with him to the appointment.
She's a supportive partner but at the end of the day she doesn't support him getting it because it's dangerous.
And it's like a clinical trial.
Yeah, it's like a trial surgery.
It's not even been tested or approved really.
So like he would be like he would be like a guinea pig.
Yeah, he would be the first one to really get it.

(31:18):
And she's not saying she compares it to a Ford Pinto.
Just very funny.
Pinto near your near your balls.
So silly.
And then the next scene we cut to Samantha's meeting with Richard.
And he's and he's like I'm sorry but like your resume is all fluff.
And she's like what is it that you do at this hotel nuclear?

(31:39):
Which is so funny because Richard, the actor who plays Richard is in Oppenheimer.
Oh my god that's hilarious.
He is like one of the scariest parts of Oppenheimer because he plays like one of the generals when they're talking about where to drop the bomb.
I still haven't seen that.
Okay, I won't spoil the scene then.
It's okay, it's okay. I'm just letting you know I haven't seen it so like what you're saying.

(32:02):
Is fresh info.
It doesn't make sense in my brain.
So he is playing this general and they're in this big meeting with like all the justice all the people who are deciding on where to drop the bomb.
It's like they have a list of I think 10 cities 10 or 10 or 11 cities and he plays like the lead guy who's kind of in charge of making the final decision and or or bringing it to the president.

(32:24):
He says well we're gonna cross Kyoto off the list and they're like everyone in the room kind of looks at him a little weird and he was like it's for me and my wife when honeymooning it's very sentimental.
Which is a real thing that was said a real reason it was taken off the list of options but it wasn't in the script.
It was this actor who was just like he did his own research on his character because it's a historical figure so he right up on it and then like brought that onto set.

(32:48):
And it's such a menacing scene in the movie.
It is he's so good at it and he's in one scene and I literally was in the theater and I was like that's Richard.
I was like it's Richard and it's so oh my god he's so good at it and I know he's been in a bunch of other stuff too but my my two main cultural touch points for him now are Richard right and fucking scary general guy at Oppenheimer.

(33:14):
Which is crazy but the nuclear fission line I was like oh time is a flat circle.
Oh wow that's hilarious. Okay he's just a he's just misogynistic. He tells her to get a male partner.
And then she's like why just so that because it would be easier for your business partners to have a conversation with a woman if there is a man standing next to her and she gets up and leaves and she gets really like a noise.

(33:44):
Yeah she's pissed off.
Rightfully so and then in the next scene we hear her talking about it at dinner. This is probably my favorite scene in the whole episode.
This is everyone talking about how they've cried at work or what they've done around crying at work and Carrie says that she fake cried at work and said she was having a bad time at home but really she was having a great time in the Hamptons.

(34:08):
And it just this scene feels like it's taken directly out of season one.
Yeah it feels very good. It's a really entertaining like dynamic scene. All the girls friendship scenes are the best.
Yeah but this is a real good example of it.
Charlotte says she cried once in the ten years she worked at the gallery and no one ever let her forget it. Miranda says there everyone.

(34:33):
Yes she's cried but only in the privacy of her office.
Yeah and then she blames Carrie for perpetrating the myth because Carrie fake cried and then Samantha says well I've never cried at work.
Which we will see by the end of the episode does change.
But I think that's a good button on that little moment.

(34:55):
I think so too. I love when Samantha gets used.
Yeah.
I love emotional Samantha. Me too.
It makes her feel more real.
Even Sagittarius has their life.
Absolutely.
A really optimistic person even has their limit and sometimes shit just gets them down and it just like so like I don't know there's just something so juicy about watching Samantha.

(35:17):
Because it feels more real than any of the others because we see it so rarely.
It feels like a real.
Yeah it's rare so we're like oh man she really.
Peek behind the window or the glass of just of this character who puts on this really tough facade throughout the whole show and we get this little moment of her being like.
Really beat down by this and it's sad and it makes it makes Richard even worse.

(35:40):
Yeah.
But we'll get there.
And then the next scene is Carrie at the cabin in the woods.
She's reading a magazine with big ex current girlfriend on it or except I think she finds out while reading it that they are no longer together.
Right.
She gets a call.
Yes.
And it's and he's like when are you coming back to the city and she's like Monday.

(36:02):
And he's like what.
She's like we're here for the weekend.
It's Thursday.
She's like we're here for a long weekend which is totally normal when you have a remote job in a cabin in the woods.
Are you kidding me.
Carrie is doing so much emotional labor for her.
Oh it's so annoying in her current boyfriend.
She's such a user.
Big user.
Yeah he's the worst.

(36:24):
Also I do like when they're talking about where she is and she's like oh it's so far it's 40 minutes outside the city.
Mind you it's an 845 area code.
It's not that far.
My family lives in an 845 area code like it's Duchess County bitch.
It's not the boonies.
She acts like it's 1840s Kentucky.
And but she's doing it on purpose so that he won't come there.

(36:46):
Well yeah but even when he's just going to get a drink at a bar and she's like where a pink lemonade stand and I'm like babe there's bars in every town.
Just be honest with him.
I know but like Carrie is such a city girl that she doesn't even understand.
I don't I think it's a little bit she's trying to force him to come inside.
True.
No you're right.

(37:07):
I know you're right.
But it's so annoying.
She's being kind of dumb.
She's being kind of dumb about it.
I just wish she at any point in this would like be honest with Big because we never see.
The only time she's honest with him is when she's like you have to go make up with Aiden because of me.
I get really frustrated when she invites him to Aiden's house.
Yeah.

(37:28):
She's not really thinking about her technique.
She should have just been like yeah I'm sorry that really sucks but hey we can connect on Monday.
Let's get lunch on Monday.
Yeah let's get lunch or something on Tuesday.
We'll talk it all out.
I'm here for you but like I'm not- I can't be physically here for you right now.
Yeah or I wouldn't even like like he's like oh man not until Monday but like yeah sorry.
But we can get together on Monday if you want.

(37:50):
Like I have a boundary.
See.
He needs to get a fucking life.
He never is able to set boundaries with Big.
She can't. And that should have been a red flag for her.
She really like she doesn't seem to notice it or really care and even when people point it out to her she ignores it.
Where her and Aiden and even like her and some of her other boyfriends,
she's able to set pretty clear boundaries with them and they do with her as well and it benefits their relationship like the non-

(38:15):
Her Aiden saying he can't date a smoker.
I think that's a really solid boundary for him and she respects it and she wants to be with him so she goes along with it.
And it's just like
Yeah, big
bulldozes her every chance he gets.
Right. And she lets him. When she hangs up the phone, the tone of her voice says everything you need to know.

(38:37):
She knows she made the wrong choice when she tells Aiden like that it was Batman.
And he's rightfully pissed off. He is pissed off. If I was Aiden, I would have stormed off here.
Yeah. Like what the fuck? Especially when it's like it's not your fucking house.
Don't invite this man I hate. Don't like.
And Aiden even says he's like I don't want him in my house.

(38:58):
Yeah.
And even then he's being too nice about it and he's being kind of a dick about it.
He's like when he gets here he better be so depressed there better be tears and he's just such a better man.
Yeah, he's a better man than like any guy on this show.
Yeah.
It blows my mind how Carrie just takes advantage of it.

(39:19):
Yeah.
It's really a...
Oh my god she doesn't deserve him. I fucking hate it. I really do.
It really is a bummer. I love Aiden.
Carrie! I just want to punch her in the head.
Well hey, from what I've seen of Injust Like That which I haven't seen much but...
I need to get caught up.
Maybe we were right all along.

(39:40):
We were right all along.
What's new you know?
We've been a lot of times that we have like accurately predicted far ahead of something that has happened.
It is weird.
We should be studied by like...
We should be sponsored.
Yeah.
Let's not study sponsored. If anyone wants to sponsor us.
Let us know.

(40:01):
I would love a new mattress.
Maybe we should reach out to the purple mattress team.
Oh my god we should.
They sponsor other podcasts.
Please. Hello.
There's like 40 people who listen to us but...
They really like us.
Oh my god.

(40:22):
They're in the doctor.
They're at the doctor and Miranda and Steve are talking to the doctor about like the prosthetic balls and he hands them one and Miranda drops it and she's like I dropped the ball.
And it just is so...
And she's laughing and neither of them are laughing which is so fucking funny.
I laughed out loud. I laughed out loud.

(40:43):
It's such a good joke.
Miranda's and she's honest with Steve where he's like...
And Steve is such a bitch in this episode in the scene because she's like he's like what size and she's like medium and he's like I was thinking large and she's like oh my god.
Large medium.
Like she's just the hand holding which I...

(41:04):
Oh you know what?
I think I understand her snapping at him every scene every time I watch this because this scene would make me...
I would have snapped at him right here because she really is trying everything to just like hold his hand and let him feel how he feels and then...
But she's honest with him.
She's like hey I'm at my limit.

(41:26):
You're really pushing this shit.
It's the classic case of earth sign dating a water sign.
It doesn't make...
It's just eroding her. Water erodes her.
It's true. He's just...
He's wearing her down and this is the point where she snaps and she just can't handle it anymore.
Like poor Steve but Miranda's right because Steve's being irresponsible at this point.
Like trying to like mutilate his body again a second time.

(41:50):
Yeah.
To fix the first...
For what?
For some stupid fucking fake ball that you're always gonna know is fake?
Either way.
Either way but I completely understand both of their perspectives.
Yes.
I understand why Miranda gets annoyed but poor Steve.
And at one point in the episode doesn't like...

(42:12):
I don't think he compares it to...
It's also like it's a non-visible thing.
There's one point in the episode where he says why not women get boob jobs all the time.
Yes that's what I'm thinking of which is just like not the same.
It's not the same at all.
One is visible.
Like a woman getting a breast...

(42:33):
Like a reconstructive breast surgery like is so different.
Yeah.
But I can...
Again I've never been through getting my ball removed so I'm sure I would feel some type of way.
I guess it would be kind of more like...
It would be less like an elective breast augmentation which we are pro...
Yeah.
...chonastic surgery on this on this podcast.

(42:55):
We've talked about it at length.
We're just saying so it's different than getting like an augmentative...
...elective breast surgery than it is to get like women who have double mastectomies who are then like...
Get reconstructive surgery or...
I want boobs to replace the surgery that I got so I guess it would be more like that situation.
Where Steve lost a part of him, he feels incomplete without it or feels insecure without it and really wants to replace it.

(43:22):
Visible or not, I think it would be more for the psychology of it and less for the visual part of it.
No, totally.
Because at this point he's just his mentally...
He's fucked.
...he's mentally affected by it.
Yeah and again, I get it.
I have some empathy for it but I'm also like you're being fucking annoying.
I hated the next scene and like I came so close to fast forwarding it.

(43:46):
See, I kind of liked it.
I hated it. It bothered me so much that I would literally had to like pause it and walk away and like go get a snack and then come back and quickly watch it.
But Charlotte is at the doctor with Trey and she's just being such a supportive wife but Trey is very insecure.
It bothers me to watch that. I can't handle that kind of and see like...

(44:08):
Yeah, I think...
It just goes against the grain of who I am.
I think Trey is really annoying in this scene yet again.
Yeah.
But I like the scene overall because it is like...
He's honest with her at this point.
I think he's scared...
But he's pouty about it.
Oh yeah.
And she is so...
She's so patient with him and eventually he is honest about why he's been acting this way about this specifically is that like he's scared that it's his fault.

(44:36):
His fault.
And that there's another issue with him in their relationship.
Which I think is a totally valid fear.
I think he should have been upfront with her about it at the beginning.
But again, like that's not really conducive to like an interesting show.
You kind of need to pull like back and forth of it.
Right.
And I do like that.
He's honest with her and she's like, hey, let me help.

(44:59):
It'll be fine.
Like we're just...
We're getting the test because we have to get the tests.
It's not because the assumption is it's your fault.
But it's...
This is where we're going.
And she helps him out and she buys him the jugs magazine.
And she's like, I know you love it.
And she's just like, she's so sweet.
She's so supportive.
She really does everything in her power to make it work.

(45:21):
Yeah.
And she gets him off and the line where he says, where's the cup is so funny to me.
But he is.
He's annoying.
He's infuriating.
But I give him a little bit more grace in the scene because at least he is honest with her about his fear.
But I understand why you were like uncomfortable watching it.
Yeah, I just can't deal with his insecurity.

(45:43):
I find him to be very childish.
I don't think that...
It's like stunted.
I don't think I would be able to last as long as Charlotte did in this kind of relationship after a while.
Fuck no.
After like the first situation, I would probably have given up.
Fuck that.
I wouldn't have been able to last either.
But I also like the context of who Trey is in relation to like Bunny.

(46:06):
I don't think that Trey is loving enough.
No.
I don't think he's loving enough for someone like Charlotte.
He takes Charlotte for granted.
And he treats her pretty bad.
As much as people want to say like, ah, he's the perfect husband if only he could like get it up.
No.
Because the perfect husband who even if he couldn't get it up would take personal responsibility and do his best to make it work.

(46:28):
And it's Charlotte that solves that problem.
It's Charlotte that solves every problem and busts her ass to try and make this guy happy and make this relationship work.
He gives less than 5% effort.
Him and Big are like so similar.
They are.
They want the perfect wife.
That's why I always remember last time we talked or maybe the time before that we were talking about how Big wants a wife like Charlotte.

(46:51):
Yes.
100%.
That makes complete sense.
But yeah, it's just, Charlotte does her best and it's, I appreciate it.
And I like that he at least is honest with her even though he's being annoying still.
Yeah.
So next up we come back to Samantha and Richard.
Richard's like playing with these metal balls and it's like this episode is so annoyingly.

(47:12):
They're so heavy handed in this episode.
That was like heavy handed.
Too much.
I was like Michael Patrick King and Darren Star pull back.
Yeah.
This is crazy guys.
We got it with the balls and the macho and the, you guys are doing too much at this point.
So he literally is like, use up with my architect.
I can't hire you.
And she was like, that's fucked up. If I was a man, you'd be shaking my hand and giving me a key to an office.

(47:36):
And she goes running out after she gets the last word because she feels like she's about to cry.
Yeah.
And he's like chasing after her.
He's chasing after her.
She runs into the elevator and pushes the button and he actually makes her cry, which.
It sucks.
Yeah.
And it feels.
Crying at work is the worst.
Oh my God.
It's the fucking worst.
It's so embarrassing.
It's so embarrassing.
And no one takes you seriously, which is what Charlotte talks about earlier in the episode.

(48:00):
And she keeps mentioning like, I cried at work once and I never was able to live it down.
But in the voiceover, we do hear that Richard does give Samantha the job.
Yeah.
Thankfully, she gets the job, but it's like she had.
She had a shitty day because of it.
But you know what?
She stood up for herself in the end and that's really like, it's hard to do, especially for a character like Samantha who's so outspoken and like stands up for herself at any chance she gets.

(48:29):
It's still fucking hard to do when you're being treated in such a disrespectful way.
So.
Next scene.
I also hated the scene so much.
Big comes to the house and beats for Carrie to come running out in the rain.
What the fuck?
He's such a douchebag.

(48:51):
It's.
I really, really, really hate him.
That's a perfect example of why he's an asshole.
He literally is.
He honks at her to come meet him instead of just going to into her after he made it a big deal about coming up.
So she just comes running out because of course she does.

(49:13):
She's pathetic whenever big comes around.
Carrie acts like.
The world stops.
Very pathetic.
She's so embarrassing.
And he's like, come on, let's get out of here.
Let's go get a drink.
And she's like, where?
Country lemonade stand?
Like come inside.
Aiden doesn't want me inside and I don't want to talk about it in front of him.
And she's like, well, you better.
Yeah, she's like, no option, my guy.

(49:35):
Yeah.
So if I, he is so humiliating and pathetic, like if I was Carrie, I would lose my patience.
Oh, I would have lost it already.
I allowed him to come there.
Yeah.
And like Aiden is so calm.
Like I would.
It's crazy.
I would have like lunged and strangled this guy at dinner from how he's acting.
How he's acting.
He's drinking all my wine.
He's muttering to himself.

(49:57):
Yeah.
He's just being a very like just chumpy, pathetic, like.
And again, Aiden is so nice.
He lets him sleep on the couch because he's too drunk to drive.
Okay.
And that's the part where I totally, I really could not take it anymore.
Like I was screaming, Carrie, are you kidding me?
He's rich as piss.
Just call the driver.

(50:18):
He can afford whatever the driver.
Yeah.
Who cares?
From Manhattan and pick him up.
Like I would be like, yes, call your driver.
That's a great idea.
You can't drive.
Send some other.
Here, drink some water.
We'll sit here.
I'm calling your driver.
Sit here.
We're going to bed when the driver comes lock up.
It's that simple.
Carrie's being a dumb bitch.
Yeah.
She just refuses to like let Big take care of himself.

(50:40):
Yeah.
She always has to take care of him even when she's literally dating another guy.
Who she's cheated on in the past with big.
We have to reiterate it every chance.
Oh.
If you were friends with Carrie, what would you say to her?
I would slap the shit out of her.
Wait, you have one chance to say something to Carrie Bradshaw.
What would it be?

(51:02):
Oh, God.
You can say a full sentence, but you can't say like a paragraph.
Okay.
Send sentence to her.
I would honestly, I think I would just ask her.
Why she continues to let Big treat her so poorly.

(51:23):
Yeah.
Like I, like I don't have any grandiose statements to give her at the end of the day.
It is her life.
It is this character's life.
But I would just ask her honestly, and it'd be like, no bullshit.
What do you, what is so worth getting treated like this over and over and over again, blowing
up your life at every chance you get for this man who has not done the same for you.

(51:47):
And when he has, it's been selfish.
And her response would be love ever heard of it.
It's, and it would be, it would infuriate me.
And it would infuriate me to know.
And I would never speak to her again.
I would walk away.
I would break up with her.
Like friend break up with her because it's just like, no, she's so, for someone whose

(52:08):
entire life is about self reflection, she's so unaware of herself.
What would you say?
I would say, man.
I, I understand and relate to the urge of going back to what you know.
Yeah.
Because it's a lot less scary than the unknown.
Yeah.
But in this instance, you chose wrong.
Yeah.

(52:29):
And she chose wrong, plain blank.
She chose, she, going back to what's familiar is not the bad part.
Like, okay.
Yeah.
You get back together with an X.
Fine.
The point is she chose the wrong X.
She should have made it last with Aiden instead of Big.
And now in, and just like that, she's doing a third time, going back to Aiden a fucking
third time.
Like I just can't.

(52:50):
It makes me.
This is crazy bitch.
She, oh my God.
There's, I don't know if you know this song, but you know the girl Renee Rapp.
Yes.
Sex Live College girl.
She's got music and everything now too.
She has a song called Colorado, which I love, but there's a line in it.
And it's like, it's not, it's not a new idea.
Obviously this is like an old saying, but she literally says where she's like, I choose

(53:12):
the girl I know over the heaven.
I don't.
Right.
And that is Carrie Bradshaw too, a T.
It is.
It's mostly bruz.
She's, every Libra I know has gotten back together with an X at least once.
I've done it like a couple times.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
You, you can't, that's what I'm saying.
I completely understand.
You can't talk sense into her.
The city urge.
You can't talk sense into her.
It's something you have to realize on your own.

(53:33):
But at the same time.
I wish somebody would have just like tried to stop her harder than they did.
Yeah.
Cause at the end, even Miranda is like, okay, you know what?
You have my blessing big go get our girl.
That fucked me up.
That was Miranda's worst moment in the entire series.
I 100% agree.

(53:54):
Like it's go get our girl.
You go get her girl.
Go get our girl.
That's not our girl.
That's your girl.
Keep him the fuck away from her.
Yes.
He's a walking talking red flag.
What kind of friend?
Oh my God.
She abused her for 10 years at that point basically.
Like she's encouraging her best friend's evil ex boyfriend who she hated for most of the

(54:16):
series to go interrupt her relationship on the grounds of she misses her instead of it
being anything relating to her actual friend's happiness.
Yeah.
It only had to do with Miranda's happiness.
She was very selfish in that moment.
Of course this has nothing to do with this episode at this point.
We're just going off on a big hating tangent but it was bound to happen.

(54:38):
No but I mean hey this is the end of our Sex and the City series.
So this is kind of the time to get big feelings out.
Yeah.
We're reaching the end of this episode.
Yeah.
And it just, I wish that at any point throughout the series one of the girls had been more
honest with Carrie and really tried to get her to listen because a lot of the time they

(55:01):
just kind of placate her and they just go along with what she says and even when they
do disagree or argue with her it's, they don't really.
But that's what makes it the fact that Miranda is the one who gave in.
Even worse.
Really fucking horrible because it never could have been anyone but Miranda.
If anyone was going to fight with her it was going to be Miranda and she doesn't.

(55:24):
Because Charlotte is a hopeless romantic and wanted them to be together and she kind of
loved the idea of like, ah two exes, finding their way back to each other because it's
so romantic that you're going to be happy for the rest of your life.
Because Charlotte just only cares about marriage and love and all that bullshit.
And then meanwhile Samantha is the least judgmental person on the planet.
Carrie could have gone and fucked the most evil human being on the world and Samantha

(55:46):
would be like, how was it?
She would be supportive.
Carrie could have fucked just, I don't even know, whoever the most evil person in the world
and Samantha wouldn't have judged her.
No.
Okay.
And I mean she even never judged Carrie when Carrie said I cheated on Aidan with Big and
we've been having a fair for like a month.
And she's like, okay.
Yeah, she's like, because Samantha is one of those where she's like, well if I don't

(56:07):
judge you you won't judge me.
She's like, this is a rank in an even playing field.
It's not, I'm not in a position to judge you for your actions.
Which I think is totally valid.
I think you can be honest with someone and not be judgy of them.
And I think these girls, and I think one of the only characters we see really be honest
with Carrie is Charlotte when Carrie expects Charlotte to pay for, or like offer her the

(56:35):
money and Charlotte sets a boundary with her and is like, this is really inappropriate
of you to act this way with me.
And it's kind of the only times we really see someone stand their ground with Carrie
and I mean at the end she folds.
But none of the girls, they're all kind of just like, they bow to her every whim.
There's disagreement about the episode where Carrie needs the money.

(56:58):
But I think what, I think another example of Charlotte being the honest one is when
she finds out about Big and Natasha and Carrie triangle and she's like, how would you feel
if someone did this to me?
Yeah, she doesn't sugarcoat how she feels.
The only time somebody really truly kept it real because if you remember Miranda's reaction
to that was like, wow.

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Okay.
And Carrie's like, I need you to snap me out of it.
I'm blind right now.
And Miranda's like, okay, well, what about Aiden?
And she's like, well, thank God you said that.
What about Aiden?
But then she goes and like, fucks him anyway.
Yeah.
Charlotte is really, I think Charlotte is the only one with like, and at times this is
a detriment to her character, a really rigid set of morals and low ground, high ground.

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And that is kind of the only time Carrie has a combatant because the other two are more
wishy-washy.
They're more morally gray.
They're willing to be kind of bad people here and there, you know.
Miranda's kind of a shitty partner at times to random guys.
Samantha's her Samantha.
Charlotte is like, no, there's right and wrong in the world.
And what you're doing is wrong.

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There's no way around that.
And Carrie needs to hear that.
But I don't know.
It's just, I find it very, I find this, the over, my biggest frustration with Sex in
the City as a super fan, as someone who loves the show so deeply and so dearly.
My biggest frustration is that how Carrie just like, a lot of the time doesn't have
any self-respect when it comes to Big.

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And it's sad.
Yeah.
Big is the problem that I have with this show.
The fact that Carrie ended up with Big is my problem with this show.
That's my only one and only complaint.
I agree.
I have no other complaints.
Everything else, I'm like, sure, whatever.
Even the stuff I don't like.
And it's like, I don't even care when a show goes into direction that I don't like on

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the plot.
I care more about the characters.
For example, Desperate Housewives is a great example.
In the middle of Desperate Housewives, there is a crazy event and a time jump.
And when I first watched it, I was like, what the fuck just happened?
They aged all the characters by like five years, completely different set of characters
except for the main ones, the main cast.

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All the kids aged by like five years, they pretended things happened that never happened.
It was just crazy.
It was fucking nuts.
But what pissed me off more is one of the main characters, Storyline, she ends up like
a single widowed mom when she found her dream guy and the entire show set their relationship

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up to be like, they're going to be together no matter what, like a Luke and Lorelai type.
And the guy ends up dying at the end of the series and she ends up like a single widowed
mom with two kids.
And it's like, how the fuck could you end the show like that bitch?
I gave you my life.
I gave you the best years of my life and you're going to do that.

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I was pissed.
You know what's an example that we've talked about?
What that reminds me of that we've talked about on this podcast?
What Rachel Ingle.
Yeah, it's like Rachel choosing the TV show over Broadway is the biggest misuse of a character
and like gross mischaracterization on part of every writer who has ever touched a script

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for that fucking show.
It just fundamentally doesn't work with the character.
And I think Carrie, at least in the at the end of the day, Carrie ending up with big
makes so much sense with her because she's just she was like this the whole time.
But it hurt it deeply like upsets me because I want better for this character and I know

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this character grow is yes and she doesn't really have that growth.
Everyone else grows.
Yeah, they overdid it with wanting to play Kate characters with the ending that they
thought viewers wanted.
I feel like most people who love Carrie and love the show realize in the same way that
people realize the best boyfriend Rorri would have been Jess, not Logan.

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Most people realize that the right boyfriend for Carrie was Aiden and they chose wrong.
It would be like if Rachel ended up with Paulo instead of Ross.
But I will say I think the best boyfriend for Rachel would have been Joey.
Joey, me too.
Me too.
Me too.
Me too.

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Ross is big.
That was a bad example.
That was a bad example.
No, but I Ross is big.
Ross is big.
Joey is Aiden.
It's like that.
Yeah, 100%.
And you know what?
I think people hated Joey though for Rachel.
Yeah.
Like when I talk to people about that, they're like you're fucking nuts.
That's crazy to me.
I think they're perfect together.
I think so too.
You know what's a good example of the opposite of that?

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Is Monica ending up with Chandler instead of Richard?
Richard is big.
Right.
Actually, Richard wasn't that bad of a kid to be honest.
I just didn't want kids.
They just were incompatible in the long term.
He wasn't a bad guy at all.
They just were incompatible.
So, Monica going after him again and again wouldn't have made sense because she knows

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that at the end of the day they're not going to both get what they want.
Then she finds someone like Chandler who's an unconventional partner maybe in her mind,
but they both want the same things and they have this deep love in the same way that like
an Aiden and Carrie would.
Aiden is an unconventional partner for someone like Carrie.
Jess is an unconventional partner for someone like Rory because he's like a bad boy, you

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know, whatever.
They're so perfect together.
But they're perfect for each other because they're the ones who challenge them.
Bernie just texted me and said Joey and Rachel are cute together.
Yes!
Thank you, Bernie.
Bernie, we love you.
It's true.
You're right.
But yeah, she's right.
I just, I want more growth for Carrie and it's unfortunate we don't get that at all because

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we don't really get it in the show.
We don't get it in the movie.
As far as I've seen, we don't get it in an address like that.
Even with her.
I think we might this season.
We might get it this season, but it's a little too late.
It's a two to 50s now.
It's like, and it's like, you know, people can always change whenever, but it's like,
come on, man.
We wanted that to happen sooner.

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Yeah.
But we have to move on.
All right.
Yeah, let's finish up with this.
So Miranda and Steve, they're back at the apartment and Steve's just like, don't you
get it?
Like, I feel like less of a man and finally something.
Yeah, he says who's...
Yeah, who's gonna want to fuck a uniball bartender?
Me.
It clicks in Miranda's brain.
If you look like Steve.
Yeah.

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It finally clicks in her brain like, okay, what he needs is proof that he's still fuckable.
Yeah.
Which, you know what?
And still manly and like...
It's fair.
I get it.
That I understand.
Again, at the end of the day, he's annoying and in the same, but in the same way as Trey,
he at least admits the main issue he's been dealing with.

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Somehow I find it more acceptable when Steve says it and less when Trey says it.
That's because...
Trey sounds like a petulant, whiny baby.
Yeah.
And Steve sounds like an honest, emotionally raw human being who just went through something
traumatic.
And Steve actually takes, holds accountability when he needs to.
To be honest with you, I just, I find Trey insufferable in this.
Yeah, I agree.

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I get it.
No, I feel the same.
All right.
Moving on, we're back at Aiden's house and Aiden is ticked off.
Yeah.
He's throwing the basketball against the side of the house.
Kari describes it as shooting hoops, which is not correct.
He's slamming a basketball against the house.
Yeah, he's not shooting hoops.
He's throw, he's basically throwing the basketball inside of the house.

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Yeah, that's it.
And he's ticked off, you can tell by his mood.
And Big wakes up on the couch and rolls over and he's like, what the fuck is that sound
basically?
And Kari's like, Aiden is shooting hoops and he's like, isn't it a little early?
And it's like, bitch, that's Aiden's house.
Yeah, get out.
Get a life.
And Kari tells him to go make up.

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That's it.
No options.
Go.
And like, Big is just like a tubby loser.
He goes outside and he's like, not a basketball player in the slightest.
Doesn't have the physique or like, he has no business even trying to get involved in
this festival.
Look, Kari puts it perfectly.
When they fight and they're rolling around in the mud and it's the lamest fight I've

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ever seen two people have, Kari comes out from, she stops playing her solitaire.
Stop, you're middle aged.
It's the perfect example.
These are just two middle aged men rolling around in the mud together.
Neither of them are in shape to be fighting.
They're too old to be acting like this.
It's just so silly.

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And it's so funny to watch.
It's embarrassing.
These men should be embarrassed.
But Aiden looks hot.
I'm gonna love it.
Aiden looks hot.
He's covered in mud.
The dog bites Big on the ass.
And that's what stops it.
And they finally stop fighting and they all go inside and then it's just like.
They get cleaned up.

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Once they beat each other up and take a shower, they're over it and they're like the best of
friends.
It's like they literally needed to just like pull the release valve.
It was funny.
It was funny.
They were eating eggs and Big is saying his like, you know, I can never.
He's talking about his eggs.
She could get me but I can't get her and he was like Aiden's like that's fucked up, man.
And he's like I know.

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And Carrie's just like rolling her eyes.
Men.
Yeah.
And the episode leaves you off on a point where you're like well I hope this all works
out for everyone.
Unfortunately.
Yeah.
It leaves you off in a way where you're like oh that was wholesome.
They put another over it.
I love that.
They release the steam valve.
They're over it.
They have made them, they're amicable now.

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At the end of the day at least they're amicable.
This should resolve things.
Yes.
And it does to an extent.
Yeah.
It does for a while but then things get bad again.
But in the moment you're like okay, they're over it now.
But I will say at least now when we do get into the, it getting bad again with Carrie
and Aiden, it's not necessarily Big's fault.

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Which is nice.
It's Carrie.
It's Carrie not being able to like wreck in with settling down.
She's not able to settle down with Aiden specifically.
She pictured her life going in a different direction and then when it becomes time to
approach that direction.
She can't handle it.
She's like she can't handle the fact that it's Aiden and not Big.
Yes.

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That's what it is.
It's exactly what it is.
She says it's because she's not ready to get married and really what it is is she pictured
taking this step with someone else.
100% and she just can't, yeah she can't wreck in with the difference in her perceived
out end.
Right.
Anyway, but that was such a good episode.
I love that episode.
That was it for Sex and the City.

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I love this show.
We love Sex and the City so much.
We are going to attempt to catch up and watch the second season of In Just Like That and
do a little mini bonus episode talking about it all.
We are mostly just excited to see Samantha again.
We just can't wait to see Samantha and I'm excited to see Carrie and Aiden kiss again

(01:08:20):
after like 20 years.
But the thing is I've already basically seen them kiss like 500 different angels on Twitter
from different people posting spoilers.
So I'm excited for it but I basically already know that they're going to get back together.
I can tell.
Yeah.
From the vibe of the photos, just based on the vibe of the photos I can tell they're
getting back together.

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Yeah.
I've gotten spoiled a bit more and I won't say anything.
I'm just, all I want is to see Samantha back on my TV.
Me too.
I think it's a visual scene.
Well it is.
From what I saw.
It's, she's on screen.
Right because I said she wanted to be dressed by Pat.
Yeah.
So I'm, my fingies are crossed.
Oh my God.
What is this scene going to be?

(01:09:01):
No, I can't.
I don't know.
We're going to catch up.
The episode is on Thursday.
We need to catch up for real.
We're going to watch.
We're going to hopefully have an episode out next week for you talking about In Just Like
That season two.
A little bonus up.
Yeah.
And then we're going to take another hatis and then we'll be coming back with our next
show for season five of the podcast.
Very exciting.

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To tell them what it is.
Yeah, I think it'll be fun.
Get everyone excited.
We are going to do a reality show for our next show.
One of our all time faves.
One of my all time favorite, and people who know me know I am a historian of this show.
Everything there is to know about the show.
You ask me a question about the show.
I will answer it within 10 seconds or less.

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These are some of our favorite people.
This is my family.
Yeah, this is our.
This is my fucking family.
This is our family.
This is our cousins, our uncles.
Yeah.
Yeah, my enemies, my friends.
They are everything.
Specifically one woman is my enemy.
Specifically one woman and one man are my enemy because I've been rewatching it already

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preemptively with Bernie.
Oh, God.
Okay, we're just going to tell them we're going to watch Jersey Short.
I'm so excited.
I'm so fucking excited.
I can't even explain how excited I am.
I already have like a running list of episodes I want to talk about in my head.
Yeah, I need to start.
Part of me is like we should do a longer season for the show because there's so many of them.
I mean, I'm not opposed.

(01:10:23):
I'm not opposed.
It's not a bad idea.
I love the show.
I grew up going to the shore.
I grew up going to Seaside specifically.
I love the Jersey Shore, the place and the show.
I love these people.
I'm a defense attorney for every human being on the show, even the ones I hate and what
I will say.
Same.
They make good TV.

(01:10:43):
People who used to hate on like Snooki.
No, never in my life will I understand Page or Snooki.
I wrote y'all's names down on a piece of paper and did voodoo magic on it and cursed
you all back in the sixth grade.
I'll see you in hell because that I ride for Snooki.
I ride for Snooki.
I ride for J-Wile.
I ride for all these people.
I love who they are.

(01:11:03):
I ride for fucking Vinny.
I really, I ride for fucking Snooki.
J-Wile.
Pauly D would never hurt a fly.
No.
Love them to pieces.
Love them to pieces.
And you know who I love?
This is gonna ruffle some feathers.
I realize that I love Mike the situation in his evolved form.
I do too.
He's truly, he's made good.

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He's turned his fucking life around.
I agree.
We'll get into it.
We can't, that's a taste.
That's just a taste of what y'all are gonna get.
This might be the show I'm most excited to talk about so far.
I am too kind of.
I'm like trembling.
I think it'll also be really fun for us to jump into reality TV and step away some.
I can't wait to talk about some of the impacts.

(01:11:45):
That these human beings have had on my life.
I'm so excited.
I hope you're excited.
If you haven't seen Jersey Shore, please go watch it.
Go watch it bitch.
Watch it without us and then watch it with us.
If you haven't watched Jersey Shore, you have no business.
You are not my friend anymore.
That's crazy.
It does blow my mind that when people haven't seen it, it's just so deeply ingrained in

(01:12:06):
me.
Like what?
What were you doing during the years of like?
I don't know.
Like that was appointment television to me.
You were living under a rock.
Truly.
Truly.
But we're going to start watching.
We're going to do Jersey Shore next.
The influence.
The influence.
We will give more information when we get closer to it.
I have to do some rewatching to get my episodes picked and everything like that.

(01:12:31):
Bernie and I watched almost all of Family Vacation recently.
Then I was like, oh my God, this is like making me want to watch the original.
So I went back.
We started with the Italy season.
Then we watched Nuts.
See I love the Miami season.
I love the Miami season too.
But you know what I realized?
I avoided that season in previous rewatches.
That would be like the least, my least one that I was excited for to watch.

(01:12:54):
And then we've recently started rewatching Miami.
I was like, you know what?
Put on Miami.
It's been a while since I watched Miami.
We turned it on at a juiciest motherfucking season.
That's where we get the no.
Sam.
That's when we get the no.
Sam, the first night when you left bed crying.
Ronnie put his head between two cocktails, laces, breasts.

(01:13:16):
Oh my God.
Okay.
Okay.
We can't keep going.
We could be here for another hour and a half.
We are going to talk about Jersey Shore.
You guys need to watch the show.
I'm sorry.
You really need to watch the show where maybe maybe we'll do a longer series about it.
We do really love there's so much.
I think it's also, I think it would warrant a longer series too because there is the original

(01:13:38):
show and then Family Vacation.
That's who you wanted to treat them is too different, but I think we shouldn't.
Although Family Vacation is starting to get on the longer side.
Yeah.
Like there's already, I think they're in season five of it.
Yeah.
It's like basically just as long as the original show now.
Yeah.
So we might want to consider that, but we'll let you on the longer side.
But we'll figure it out.
Don't worry about us.
Okay.
Well, we love y'all.

(01:13:59):
Thanks for listening.
Stay tuned for our next season.
Yes.
Thank you so much for listening.
And stay tuned for our potential bonus app.
Yeah.
Again, no promises.
We'll see how things work out.
We'll see you next time.
Bye.
Bye.
Oh my God.
He's online.
Can you see me?
What the hell is she talking about?
Who's this?
Starts to do Angelina please.

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No, she died.