July 12, 2023 • 54 mins
This week we are talking about one of Victoria's picks, the iconic episode where Carrie dates a jazz musician with ADHD, Miranda eats cake out of the trash a la George Costanza, Charlotte yells at Trey, and yes... Samantha comes out as a lesbian!
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Hello. Hello.
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So what, no fucking ziti now?
Don't make me laugh.
Hi, welcome to You Know That Episode. I'm Trev.
And I'm Victoria. We're two friends who watch too much TV.
We break down iconic episodes of good shows
and bad, and explain why we feel the way we do.
Today we're talking about season 4, episode 4 of Sex in the City titled
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What Sex Got to Do with It, which aired on June 17th, 2001.
Now, this is one of your episodes.
Yeah, this is one of mine. The main reason I chose it, obviously.
Clearly, just because I succame to the blatant queerbaiting,
which was Samantha having a lesbian story arc for like all of five episodes or some shit.
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But honestly, queerbaiting, honestly for a three-part storyline, they handled it perfectly.
They handled it really well.
It's not so stereotypical.
Samantha really uses it as a way to explore sexual fluidity.
And all the things she says are spot-on.
When they ridicule her for it and all this shit, she gives them hell.
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And she's like, no, I'm serious. I'm having a relationship. It's not all about sex.
I was shocked by the kind of...
I don't know. I was shocked by Samantha in this episode in a way that I'm not usually,
because obviously she's the most sex-positive, sex-forward of the group.
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We've talked about that at length.
But she, like, I'm glad that she says to Carrie that she was a little upset with them for not taking it so seriously.
And you know what it reminds me of?
Well, two things, actually. The first thing is...
Something from the outward?
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No. The first thing it makes me think is the fact that her first healthy relationship where she's like,
I actually feel really good. We haven't even had sex yet. I want it to be special.
And that was with a woman. So, okay.
And the second thing is when she finally does have sex, she's humbled in a really refreshing way and realizes sex is not just like...
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Yeah.
Sex is not just all about the physical. Sometimes it can be about the emotional connection,
which Carrie kind of learns that in this episode too.
Sometimes it's not all about the emotional connection. Sometimes it's just about the physical aspect.
100%.
So I feel like they're opposites in that regard.
Yeah, they're like a good yin and yang to each other in this episode.
But the fact that they didn't take their relationship seriously reminded me of Jersey Shore,
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and you're gonna laugh when I tell you why.
I have this really weird theory about Snooki and Dina and like the whole situation with Gianni.
So do you remember the season where they go to Italy?
Okay, there's this one episode where Dina and Snooki get really drunk and make out for the entire episode.
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They make out for literally the entire episode. Everyone starts to get sick of them by the end of the episode.
At first they're all like, okay, whatever. They're just drunk and they're gonna do what they're gonna do.
But then by the end of the episode, everyone's like, okay, it's starting to gross me out.
They have literally not disconnected their faces from each other for hours.
They're even breathing at this point.
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And the next day after that happens, they're super hungover, but Snooki's in a terror.
Everyone's like, what's going on? Why are you freaking out?
And she's like, I'm freaking out because I'm gonna have to tell Gianni that I cheated on him.
Oh, yes. I do remember this.
And he's like, well, it was just with a girl, right? And she's like, yeah, it was with Dina.
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We made out the whole night, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, I don't care because it was with a girl.
And I feel like that really invalidated her bisexuality in a way.
I feel like maybe Snooki was bisexual or is bisexual or something like that.
And she really took it seriously, the fact that she cheated on Gianni with Dina and was treating it like that.
But when she told Gianni that, he totally invalidated it because it was with a woman.
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And I feel like they did the same thing to Samantha in this episode where it was like, okay, ladies, yes, I'm a lesbian.
And they were like, um, no, you're just sex-hungry.
Like when Charlotte was like, oh, she just ran out of guys to fuck, that really offended me.
Yeah, I was kind of shocked in the blatant homophobia of the walk.
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When they were walking away.
It was like the homophobia, the slut-shaming.
It was so, it didn't, I don't want to say out of character because especially coming from Charlotte, she's such a prude.
She always kind of looks down on how Samantha is with sex.
But it felt like a, uh, especially mean-natured.
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You know what I mean? Like very mean girls talking about their friend like that.
Yeah, when they were like, um, okay, you're a lesbian, now I'm a shoe. I've always wanted to be one and now I am one.
I was like, I'm going to punch you in the head.
It was so rude. Yeah, I just like, it really took me out.
And then I am glad later on when Samantha and Kerry do talk. She is kind of like, annoyed with the fact that they acted like that.
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Yeah, it was rude and especially, and she even said, she's like, how long have I listened to all of you talk about all the men you date?
Yeah, and not only that, Samantha is not a relationship person and finally she's in one that makes her happy and that is like vaguely healthy compared to...
Yeah.
And it's just like, it really sucks the fact that they didn't take it seriously because of the fact it was with a woman.
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It's, yeah, it was just really, it kind of shocked me a little bit in a way that I wasn't expecting from them. They're so...
You would think that they... I would think it'd be funnier if they were shocked she's in a relationship at all, instead of them being shocked she's dating a woman.
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Because Samantha having this really fluid sexuality is not surprising. It's kind of a natural next step for a character like hers.
Like, you know, not to talk about it like this, but you can only up the ante of her sexual antics so much.
Right, and it makes complete sense to me that this would be a mechanism for them to excite the audience again because like, okay, here is some Samantha just having sex again.
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Yeah.
It's season four. They've done it all.
It's season four. We've seen her do everything. It's like, how many times can we see her fuck like the UPS guy or get in a sling or something like that.
So I think her exploring her sexuality is interesting and in line with her character. So it is kind of weird to have this like reaction from the girls.
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Other than that, it's my favorite episode because I love Samantha so much. It makes complete sense to me that in this, it makes sense to see the one to explore her relationship with a woman.
Although I will say, thinking about Miranda in the context of Ann just like that, there was a couple of moments that were very telling.
The first one was when Miranda was walking down the street with them and she said, eat pussy and everyone else was shocked.
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Yeah, they were like, it was so, I just, maybe this has something about me more than anything. I just don't like, saying pussy doesn't feel vulgar to me.
That's like the most basic term that you could use.
I feel like saying vagina is more vulgar.
Yeah, it's very clinical. It feels awkward.
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Yes, you took the words right out of my mouth. We're like saying pussy. I'm like, yeah, that's what it is.
It's like saying dick.
Pussy and dick are one in the same.
She's acting like, well, Carrie's acting like she's got a cunt and I feel like cunt and cock are also one in the same.
Carrie's acting like she's got a cunt and she didn't.
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I would agree with that.
The fact that Miranda said she should have is what kind of is like, that was a little like, I feel like that was a little nod.
Yeah, that was very leszy.
That's very leszy.
Yeah, and there was also a new one to where Miranda is the only one out of the group who's not having phenomenal sex because she's on a strike.
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And then at the end she's just like, anyway, I'm going to use my vibrator. It's very, I hate men, but I don't know what it is.
It's very Elaine on the subway saying, I hate men, but I'm not a lesbian.
Truly.
It's very like, I haven't gotten there yet, coded.
Yeah, I love it. I love Miranda in this episode. I relate to her a lot. It's so funny.
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I just, I have a sweet tooth too. I get it.
A mouthful sweet tooth.
Same.
But, oh, and also this episode, this episode is one of my least favorite carry boyfriends.
The Jazz players are one of your least favorite.
I think he's so annoying.
He is kind of pretentious, but at the same time he's deeply relatable. As someone with ADHD, I totally relate.
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Yeah.
Like, I think he's very sexy and like, in the context of this episode and the story, I understand it and I get it.
But I, the whole time I'm like, oh, he's so fucking annoying.
But that doesn't take away from him, I feel.
Because like, to be honest,
No, no, no, no. I mean, we all have to be honest.
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This is just me being...
My opinion is that his annoyingness and pretentiousness is annoying.
I mean, obviously he does though, he knows what he's doing with Karen.
He's got the most intense orgasms of her life.
I can't believe she let it go all because he was annoying.
Yes.
He's been really annoying.
Yeah, I'm like, I would have kept his name in the role of Ex-Toe.
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You're gonna be a backup.
Yeah, you're gonna be a backup.
Just in case.
Booty call.
Exactly.
Also, my first note in this episode is in all caps and it just says twin towers.
Because we see the twin towers.
Because we see the twin towers.
It shows the twin towers.
I'm just like, every time I see them in something, I'm like, oh, it just takes me out.
Because this episode was shot and aired only a couple months before 9-11.
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But it just like, it guides me every time.
That's crazy.
It's such a stupid thing at this point.
But every time I'm like, oh my god, yeah.
You should start one of those accounts for like spotting in different media.
Twin towers.
Every outfit in Sector City, every twin towers.
Every tower in every media from the 2000s.
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But it's so true.
It's just like, because I'm so accustomed to the world post 9-11 now and media taking
place in New York City without them.
So now I see it.
It feels, it stands out even more.
But yeah, that's my first note.
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Mine is Jazz Guy.
Jazz Guy.
My friend, Wall of Records.
The fact that he goes, his apartment is nice.
The fact that he goes to replay that one, bass lick, was like.
I get it.
Like, okay girl, I get it.
But like, again, I'm the same way.
But he's so cunty and relatable.
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Like, I love the part where he pretended to faint.
I love the part where he pretended to faint when Carrie said she didn't like Jazz.
Now you're describing this man as cunty.
He is cunty.
That's so fucking funny to me.
Carrie's like, okay, I guess I'm gonna go.
He's like, okay, I guess this would be a bad time for me to tell you.
I don't really like Jazz and he pretends to faint.
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No, he's like Adiva.
He's a stunt girl.
He is Adiva.
I love him.
He is very funny.
It does make me giggle.
And then Carrie's like, well, I just don't like it because like, it doesn't have any rhythm.
You can't dance to it.
And he's like, Carrie, you have to stop making it to something else.
Just enjoy it for what it is.
And I'm like, I don't know.
He kind of spilled.
I think he's right.
And I do find it very sexy when he starts to like play her.
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I was like, I get it.
He's like, let me play like a bass and she's like, don't I have to be in some kind of music union?
Okay, pro union queen.
I really, I did find that very sexy and I do like their back and forth.
I like, I think musicians make really cool partners.
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Yeah, I agree.
My opinion.
I'm trying to think of any others we have in the show.
Musicians?
The Russian plays the piano.
Right.
I was watching some season five and six episodes.
Or no, I was watching season six episodes because I was watching around when Charlotte and Miranda get married and Tony and Miranda get married.
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Imagine.
But the Russian showed up and I was just like, seething.
You know, my mom used to say that her favorite thing.
I know.
I said, I told Tony.
She's fucking insane.
I told Tony.
I was like, I don't trust people who like the Russian.
And then immediately I was like, Victoria's mom likes the Russian.
She's nuts.
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She's insane.
She's insane.
Bunkers.
That is the craziest thing she's ever said to me.
Someone saying they like the Russian is like so much worse than someone saying they like big.
And the fact that my mom loves big.
No, this is red flag upon red flag.
Yeah, your mom is, we need to like, we need to talk.
We need to have an intervention.
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She's scaring the shit out of me.
That's crazy though.
Yeah.
She's like, I love big, but my other favorite boyfriend of hers is the Russian.
I love like, he seems so cool.
So like, I'm like, he's so rotten.
Yeah, he is.
Oh, anyway.
Okay.
So let's jump back into this.
Yes.
She's at the boyfriend's house.
They fuck.
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And the next night she goes out with the girls and tells them she had the most intense orgasm of her life.
She's giggling like a schoolgirl.
Right.
And she's being really coy.
And they're all like, okay.
It's kind of sweet.
It is, but then she starts talking about it and she's like, well, it's weird because I can only usually have this kind of orgasm with somebody that I love.
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And I was like, oh.
Interesting.
That's.
I was like, oh.
She's like, no, not aroment.
What is it called when, what is it called when you can only have-
Is that demisexual?
Yeah, demisexual.
That's what it is.
Ooh.
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Yes.
Or like, you can have a sense of people that you're in love with.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like-
Sexual attraction to someone after they formed a strong emotional bond.
Yeah.
So it's so caring, sexual.
It's like-
Yeah.
So that surprised me.
It was interesting.
Say that, and then, but she continues to have sex with men who she hasn't built a strong relationship with though, from like six seasons.
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Like she had sex with some guys.
Well, I think she's specifically like, because she's gotten off in other episodes with Rando's.
Yeah.
Or guys that she doesn't really like.
So it just like makes no sense.
Like in the first episode, doesn't she get off with the guy who goes down on her and during the whole like, can women have sex like men?
Yes.
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And she hates him.
She's accused by her saying this.
So I think she means like, I think it's like this specific type of like full body orgasm maybe.
Because like when they do show it, it seems incredibly intense.
Yeah.
So I think it might just-
That makes complete sense.
Might just be like the level of intensity.
Which could be because like, one, he knows what he's doing.
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Two, he's just so like, kind of all over the place that like, he could spin a lot of plates at once.
If like, so I don't know, but I am interested in this.
Because then it's like, well, what is her like, so far the only other men that I would associate that I would think in the show that have gotten her there then would be Aiden and Big.
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Right.
Those are the only, those are the only serious boyfriend she has.
Everyone else is like one or two episodes.
I'm looking up, are people with ADD better?
She makes such a fuss about that.
She does.
She like goes, she like makes it a point.
Yeah.
And then it's like, they're all making jokes and stuff and then Samantha's like, let her talk.
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Yeah.
So far this is inconclusive.
Actually says here that most people with ADHD have lower sex drives.
Oh.
Interesting.
What doesn't say much about the actual quality of the sex.
Okay.
Anyway.
Um, what else?
Samantha decides to finally tell them about her relationship.
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And they are gagged.
They are shocked stun speechless.
Although Carrie is more shocked about the fact that she's having a relationship.
Which is I think the appropriate reaction.
I agree.
And it was a perfectly written line.
It was so funny.
She's like, yes, ladies, I'm a lesbian.
And Charlotte is shocked and is like, she's like, wait, with Maria, Maria from my gallery.
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And she's like, yes, we're having a relationship.
And Carrie's like, wait a second, you're having a relationship.
It's so funny.
Her delivery was spot on.
And they're also gagged.
They're also gagged.
And this woman was giving like older Selma Hayek vibes.
But I guess it's her.
But no, she gives that.
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She's so hot.
She's so hot.
She is hot.
And so is Samantha.
Honestly.
Oh my God.
They're a hot fucking couple.
The reactions from everyone else are very fucked up.
Yes.
100%.
Oh, also, one of this scene has one of my favorite Miranda lines when she's talking about the
sex strike and they say, well, how many people will this be affecting?
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And she says, so far just want just the one, but I'm optimistic.
Oh, that made me hoot and holler.
Me too.
There's so much union and strike talk episode in this.
It is so such a weird motif through this episode.
They're literally talking about union and strike so much in this episode.
It's it's so weird.
It is such a jarring like bit to follow throughout this.
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It's just not what you expect.
I agree.
I love it though.
I this this episode had me so it's not one I would have ever picked.
But I'm so glad that you picked it because I forgot how fucking funny it is.
It is very funny.
Okay.
So then they're walking down the street and they say some fucked up shit.
Yeah, it's just like not nice.
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Yeah, it's very basic in a way the show's dialogue isn't usually carries like, I can't believe
that she's now lesbian like just like that.
And Charlotte's like, no, she's not a lesbian.
She's just doing this to bother us or something.
And it's so weird.
She's just doing this because she ran out of men to sleep with and then Miranda was like,
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yeah, I mean, I don't get it.
Like one day you wake up and you're something completely different.
Like how does that work?
And that was fucked up for Miranda.
Obviously they had no idea that we're going to make her a lesbian and just like that.
Yeah, but that line did not age well.
No, and I mean, none of this conversation age well.
It's so weird.
I mean, historically, the show doesn't deal with queer politics or queer identity very
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well, especially when it comes to where Carrie plays spin the bottle.
Yeah, I think it's a land is more set.
It's such a weird, I mean, this is probably because the show was written by two gay men.
Yeah, but the show, you would think that makes it.
Well, they, the thing is gay men sexuality is dealt with in a very good way.
Well, actually, you know what it is.
It's actually perfect writing because I would imagine this is how women in the 90s would have
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reacted.
Oh my God.
For waspy women.
Yeah, no, this is three waspy women.
They were probably like, okay, what would Carrie say about Samantha being a lesbian?
Yeah, let's just write that they weren't like, oh, how do we make them politically correct?
Because these women are really pretty far from that, I feel.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Which like, I appreciate.
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I mean, believe me, this is not a complaint.
I'm never going to be one of those people who's like, well, that doesn't hold up to
today's politics.
So it's awful.
And it's like, no, that's not how media works.
That's not how interacting with me.
Literate people.
Yes.
And people like, okay, these characters are not perfect.
They're not going to be perfect.
We shouldn't expect them to be perfect.
But it seems especially mean in this scene.
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Especially considering it's their best friend.
Yeah.
Who is a whore?
Yeah.
Like this is the least surprising thing we could expect from her.
I think most annoying also is when Carrie is like, I just can't believe it.
For once I have an earthshatter and whorecatcher and Samantha still manages to up sex me.
And like, girl, shut up.
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No one cares about your orgasm.
But I did think that was a funny line.
I think that's the most like in character.
That was very in character, but it was just so stupid.
It's so silly because it's like, Carrie just needs to be the center of attention.
Yeah.
No matter what.
Typical Libra.
Typical Libra antics.
Typical fucking Libra.
Okay.
Moving on to Miranda.
So she goes home.
She says that she's found the perfect relationship.
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It's John Stewart and Chocolatey Clairs.
Oh, I would kill for a Chocolatey Clair.
She's eating a ton of like baked goods and sweets and all this shit.
It all looks so good too.
It's so relatable.
It's very, very, very relatable.
And then it cuts to Charlotte and Trey.
And Trey refers to his dick as a John Thomas.
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I hate this.
I don't get that as a euphemism.
How is that a euphemism?
I don't know if it is.
John Thomas?
Like, where did that originate from?
I think anything it might just be like a nickname.
I'm looking up John Thomas.
The first thing that comes up is a furniture maker in North Carolina.
Yeah, North Carolina.
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John Thomas dick.
This says...
Oh, it is slang.
Yeah, it is.
Oh, I guess it's like British slang.
Oh.
Like, it says specifically cockney.
Okay.
I guess we are not familiar enough with cockney slang.
That is so...that's just never...
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I mean, outside of Sexton City, I've never heard it used like that.
Obviously, I'm not from fucking the UK.
Right.
Yeah, it's British English slang.
Uh...
Man, the poor...
I guess it's like...it's in Monty Python.
I feel bad for the people who named their company that.
Yeah.
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They probably have no idea.
Also, I just don't like when people have nicknames for their dick.
Me either.
It's weird.
It's very weird.
I find it weird too.
I don't like it, but I do like Charlotte and Trifucking.
I do like that.
And later on when they're like...they're fucking...
against the...
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The console table.
Yeah, the console table.
And I'm like, this is kind of hot.
Yeah, it was.
And she's like, Trif, I'm on the mallard and he just throws it.
And I'm like, okay, and they're like half-clothed.
I was like, I get it.
I love this.
It was nice to see.
So, then, Samantha calls Carrie.
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And Carrie's like waiting for her boy toy to get over the house.
And Samantha's so right about them.
They were so bitchy the other night.
She pegged them.
She pegged them.
She knew exactly what they were up to.
And she was like, so did you guys talk shit about me on the way home?
She's like, how many blocks?
And Carrie's like, two, okay, fine, nine.
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And she's like, oh, lesbian, shmeshbean.
It's just a label like Gucci or Versace.
And Carrie's like, or Birkenstock.
Which was funny.
And then she says vagina, shmagina.
Right.
And she's like, oh, shmagina.
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Also, Carrie looks so hot here.
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Carrie looks really good.
She has a couple of really hot moments in this episode.
Like the low rise jeans.
I also love her look at the very end with the sunglasses and that tight dress.
Yes.
Oh, yes.
And I also love her pinstripe shirt that she wears to the diner.
She looks, she's like, glowing in that shirt.
Yes, I agree.
But yeah, Ray shows up.
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She lets him in while she's on the phone with Samantha.
And he starts to go down on her.
And while she's on the phone, she literally is like on the phone with Samantha still.
And then Samantha can like hear him and is like, is Ray over there?
Which is very sexy to me.
I think that's kind of hot.
Yeah.
It's like inappropriate but hot.
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And I think Samantha understands better than anyone because she probably does the same thing about 100 times.
100 percent.
Right.
I agree.
It's just funny because they've completely switched roles.
Yes, it's so fun.
Carrie is like on the phone with her and like literally has a guy going down on her as she's talking.
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And Samantha's like, I don't know.
We haven't had sex yet.
I just, I want it to be really special, you know?
I want it to feel really right.
And I feel like it's usually the opposite.
Yeah.
Carrie is going on and on about her relationship and Samantha's just getting fucked.
It's so fun.
And I do, I really, I do like the role reversal.
Yeah.
And I just like, I love Samantha in this episode.
Oh, wait, who says the, this, I have a line, the next line here, but I don't know who, I didn't write down who said it.
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Casa de lesbo.
I have Casa de lesbo too.
I think it's Carrie and a voiceover.
Because.
Yeah, Carrie says, okay.
So she, wait, wait, we're skipping over it.
I know, I'm sorry.
No, it's fine.
So they hang up and then Carrie starts writing for her.
Yes.
And then she goes into voiceover mode.
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She says, I'm in, I'm having sex without a relationship.
Samantha's having a relationship without sex.
Which one had a better shot of survival?
And then she's like, I'm going to try really hard to have a relationship with, with, with Ray, the jazz player.
Yes.
So she goes over to his house and she's like, they're making out.
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And then all of a sudden she's like, wait, where did you go to school?
But like all he wants to do is fuck.
And it's so weird how she's brain, how she's going about it.
I completely agree.
Like take him out to dinner and have a conversation that don't like.
That's also the thing.
He's like about to start having sex.
I also think it's like baby time and place.
Obviously you're only going to his or your apartment.
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Like we haven't seen you actually out yet.
In a place where you could just have a conversation.
Because even when she says that they've been in a couple of dates, they say, well, they've been to like four jazz clubs.
It's like, how are you guys going to talk when all you're doing is going to places where you're supposed to shut up and listen to music.
Or going to each other's apartments and fucking.
Right.
Which is like, again, fine, but you need to like go to a rice, go to a diner.
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She's so dumb.
She's so dumb.
So it basically during the cut between her and him about to have sex.
She says over at Casa de Lesbos and then it shows Samantha with Maria.
I literally have the note Casa de Lesbo new contact for Victoria.
Oh my God, I love that.
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It's very, this scene is very erotic.
It's so fucking sexy.
Samantha's like eating fruit out of Maria's mouth.
Maria's so hot.
Maria's hot.
And then Samantha being humbled is one of the best moments.
Yeah.
She goes down to Maria and Maria's like, hello, like it's not working.
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She's like, what the fuck are you doing?
Yeah.
She's like, it's not a porno.
Like, like, actually, I want you to actually look at my bossetta, which is pussy in Portuguese,
which was so hot.
Her saying pussy now on.
I'm using that from now on.
Absolutely.
When she says pussy and she's kind of like she kind of says it quietly.
Yeah, it was very sexy.
I love I as okay as a gay man.
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I love lesbian porn.
Lesbians are hot, man.
They're so hot watching women have sex.
They're very hot.
Like, Lesbians sex is no joke.
Kicks ass.
I was like watching the scene.
I was like, this is fucking one of the hottest scenes in the whole show.
Period.
It's crazy.
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They have such good chemistry.
They do have great chemistry and they rocked it.
Yeah, it's like palpable.
It's called a great job.
Yeah.
What's new?
You know, she's always crushing it.
No, she's always.
She's so good.
I just like, I'm so impressed by her every time.
But yeah, they have such great chemistry.
The scene is so much fun to watch.
And especially like having so few actual queer like sex scenes on this show.
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Yeah, we get a couple of like Stanford flirting or like kiss making out with someone,
but we never really get like fucking.
Yeah, it's nice that when it is shown, it is shown to be like a really intimate and even
Samantha not knowing what to do.
Like she's not treated stupid or anything like that.
Like Maria is really gentle with her still and is like, okay, here's what you're going
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to do.
Like, yeah, she explains it.
She's like, just take it slow, blah, blah, blah.
Especially given the audience for this show at the time.
Yeah, she handled it like, okay, the actresses handled it really well.
Yeah, Maria handled Samantha really well.
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean for 2001.
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I'm very impressed with how they showed kind of, I think they handled it better here than
they do it in just like that.
Oh, really?
Interesting.
Because I think it's, I don't know, I think it's maybe sweeter here because it is to people
who aren't like in relationships.
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Yeah.
I think that kind of soil soils it for me when it's Miranda and Che because of the Steve
of it all.
Although in this new season there officially like in a relationship.
Yes.
Which I'm only caught up to episode three.
I haven't seen four or four yet.
I'm not caught up at all.
I'm still only on the first one.
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But I do.
I need to really catch up.
Yeah.
I do like how they're handling it in the second season better than season one because now
it's kind of just all out there.
So it's like they can just be a relationship.
But yeah, I don't.
I'm fortunate when like a relationship has to start through cheating.
Yeah.
I'm a bummer and I don't know.
I, I'd like it better here.
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It feels sweeter.
It feels more intimate.
It feels more fluid, like natural.
Right.
It doesn't feel like one of the characters is having like an identity crisis.
I agree.
Which I am happy to see.
I feel like a lot of the time we see queer media and it's like one person very confident
in themselves and the other person being like, I'm gay now.
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You know what's interesting though, that I kind of love.
Yeah.
Like, it makes complete sense to me that Samantha wouldn't have an identity crisis over this
and would handle it with such confidence though because she's so sexually liberated where
Miranda is not.
Totally.
That's as confident as her sexually.
So I feel that makes complete sense.
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I 100% agree with that.
I don't even think Miranda has really ever been all that confident in her relationships
with men.
I don't even know.
I don't even know her to go and have a relationship with a woman.
It's like, holy shit.
It's a different ballpark.
Yeah.
I 100% agree.
And I do like that.
I mean, I was watching other episodes and this isn't relevant because we're not going
to talk about this episode.
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But like, in that way, even just like spending time with Steve on their honeymoon, like she's
so just uncomfortable with just that.
So I don't know.
I like this scene.
I like this storyline better.
And if it's Miranda being gay is like obvious and should have been to things since day one.
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I don't know.
I'm more drawn to Samantha Maria.
I wonder if Cynthia Nixon wanted Miranda to be a lesbian.
Yeah.
Or queer at least.
Because like, isn't she bisexual in real life?
I think she's a lesbian in real life.
Maybe she's bisexual.
I could be wrong.
I accept that.
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She's some bisexual.
But now identifying as queer.
Oh, OK.
Which is like, OK.
But she's married to a woman as far as I know.
OK.
Well.
Cool.
But yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I'm sure that had a factor in it where she's like, obviously I want to be genuine
to herself.
Right.
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And like.
I mean, Miranda has always been kind of lesz-y coded.
Exactly.
To be honest.
Yeah.
Out of all of them.
Oh, absolutely.
It's a very understandable progression for the character at this point.
Yeah.
I think there are some people whose favorite character is Miranda.
I get it.
She has moments for me.
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She has funny moments for sure.
But it's kind of like saying your favorite character from Seinfeld is George.
Yeah.
Like.
Is Samantha the Elaine?
Because it's like, that's the cool girl's favorite?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Elaine is definitely Samantha.
Kramer.
No.
No.
Wait, wait, wait.
Because Elaine is always kind of good for them.
And I feel like that's usually Charlotte.
Yeah.
But I'm thinking about the people who are drawn to those characters.
Like Elaine is a very girls and gays character.
Agreed.
You know what I mean?
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Where Samantha is very much for the girls and the gays.
Hmm.
I'm going to write this out.
There's Jerry, George, Elaine, Kramer.
And then on the other side we have Carrie.
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I think if someone tells me their favorite character is Kramer, I'm like, you are insane.
And I feel the same way about Charlotte.
Where it's just like, really, out of the four?
It's that one, huh?
Okay.
I feel like that makes sense.
Miranda is definitely George.
Carrie is Jerry because of the main character factor.
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And it's just like someone telling you their favorite character is Carrie or Jerry.
You're like, okay, you're very boring to me.
I feel like, okay.
Yeah.
Elaine is, Elaine is Samantha and Charlotte is Kramer.
Yeah.
I just, I don't think the characters are similar.
Yeah.
But I think it's very much like.
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Who's drawn to them?
Yes, exactly.
Who's the, who are the fans of this character?
I feel like if you're choosing Kramer as your favorite fucking character, you're like trying
to be different.
Yeah.
And I feel that way about Charlotte.
And I love Charlotte.
Charlotte is my favorite character on and just like that.
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She slays.
I'm like, I'm obsessed.
I like the Samantha replacement.
I forgot her name.
Nima.
Seema.
Seema.
Yes, I do like her.
I think my favorite of the new cast is LTW.
Lisa Todd Wexley, my queen.
Yeah.
Cause I'm just like, I think my favorite scenes in the show are her and Charlotte.
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You know that she was in a lesbian movie.
Really?
I didn't know that.
That I'm obsessed with.
She's in a lesbian movie called The Adventures of Two Girls in Love and it's with Laurel
Holloman who plays Tina on the L Word.
Oh, I know.
It's a very good movie.
Okay.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I kind of love her.
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She's really fucking talented.
Yeah.
And she's Gorgina.
Yeah.
She's, it's, it's like alarming how beautiful she is.
Oh wow.
This movie is, this is like a movie for, oh my God.
I'm looking at screenshots now of that movie.
Oh my God.
I'm in love with them both.
I love them so much.
They're so hot.
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That movie shaped me and I will say I watched that movie before I ever watched But I'm a
Cheerleader.
Really?
But I'm a Cheerleader, gets great accolades and it's a great movie, no shade, but this
movie is better.
This looks like the lessee version of like my own private Idaho.
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I've never seen that.
Oh, bitch.
Get on it.
It's like that you would, you would gag at that movie.
It's incredible.
It's so beautiful.
But yeah, I mean, from just looking at this movie, it feels like it's hard to compare it
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to But I'm a Cheerleader.
I feel like they're going after very different things.
No, they're both coming of age lessee stories.
That's all I'm talking about.
Okay.
I'm just talking about, in the category of coming of age lessee movies, I want this one
above that one.
Okay, that's fair.
Similar films.
They're not similar at all.
Okay.
That I can respect that.
I'm on a what, maybe I'll watch this movie this week.
Cool.
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Let me know what you think.
I will.
It looks really fun or like beautiful.
Yeah.
I love Laurel Holloman.
Don't get me started, please.
I can't.
I won't.
Don't worry.
I won't.
Moving on.
Miranda, we cut to Miranda and she was about to pay $74 for a cake, which is a lot of money,
but I understand.
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I understand and I probably would have purchased it unlike Miranda.
Okay.
Wow.
$74.
All right.
I guess I'm committing where we're probably usually have the willpower to walk away.
If I had the money, I would spend it without a second thought.
Yeah.
And then, cut to Carrie, we kind of jump into a montage now from house to house.
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And Carrie's like giggling.
I really love this like montage.
I love it too.
I love having a really intense orgasm.
And then Miranda just keeps on making cake and eating cake in every single scene.
And then Samantha's like literally going down to Maria and is like shocked by what she's
seeing apparently.
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And she's like, oh, it's like, girl, you have one.
I know it's different.
It's different from that angle.
It's different from that angle.
I know, but it's also like, girl.
I was shocked when she sits them down and they're all like, so tell us about your relationship.
And she's like, well, did you know that the vagina like literally like engorges to the
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sides of a fist?
And the fact that we have three holes and Charlotte's like, please stop.
And then fucking Miranda just looks at Charlie and she's like, this is your fault.
Oh my God.
So hilarious.
It's just annoying that Charlotte continues to be like, no, I'm not taking it seriously.
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She's just doing it to bug us.
And it's not until Carrie says, I don't know about that.
She said they haven't even had sex yet.
She wants it to be special.
Yeah.
And Charlotte's like, wow.
Okay.
Yes.
That's like what settles it.
She's so, oh my God.
But she's, you know what?
I feel like she would have reacted the same way if Samantha was dating a man.
If she was having a relationship with a man.
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I think she would have been like, sure, we'll see until hearing about the no sex thing.
And then she would have been like, oh, well, okay.
But I still think the gayness of it all is definitely not helping Charlotte swallow the
pill.
Right.
So then they're basically just sitting at the diner and they all stopped talking about
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Samantha's relationship and like her amazing sex that she's having.
And they kind of give her a hard time about the fact that she's like, please, Maria has
10 dicks.
And then they're all like, please, a finger is not a dick.
And then she's like, come on, size has nothing to do with it.
And they're all giving her a really hard time.
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And I'm just like, they need to shut up and she deserves to enjoy her newfound sexual fluidity.
And it's also just like, it's so, Carrie being so heteronormative about like sex is not surprising,
but it's so annoying to listen to.
This is probably like, she writes a sex column.
How can somebody who writes a sex column not be considered or like open minded to like
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different and experimental type of sex?
It's also like, I don't understand like who's even reading her column.
It's not even like talking like getting into the queerness or whatever.
It's like baby getting eaten out and fingered feel probably feels fucking awesome.
It does.
Like I don't know why she's I don't think it's never had it done to her.
That's what I'm saying.
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I feel like it's a revolutionary thought that that might feel better than a dick baseline.
Not at all.
Like I'm sorry.
I'm going to trust the person having lesbian sex over the person having heterosexual sex
every time.
Yeah, I just think it's like I'm going to trust gay dudes having sex over the others.
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I'm just I know I know a dude is giving better head to a dude than a girl would.
And the same thing goes for the other way around.
I like I know a guy is going to get me off better than any woman would.
Because they're more familiar and comfortable with the territory and totally like and this
is all very like carries being so stupid.
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She's very she's been very so stupid.
And like obviously it's like every body's are varied and like genders and all that stuff.
But even then I'm like I'm trusting the I'm trusting the person the the faggot to get
me off better than a straight girl every time.
Right.
So it's just she's so it's such a weird conversation to be listening to as a adult gay person.
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Agreed.
I was like dumbfounded when I was when they were talking about it.
I was like anyway.
I'm like girl Maria can probably get all of you off and under like she could body it.
Wait, can I just say something else that's even more shocking carries having these intense
orgasms and clear to the skies giving them to her orally like almost all of them.
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He keeps talking about how he wants to go down on her.
And he also is fingering her like when he says I want to play you like yeah.
Yeah.
So like it makes no sense.
We only see them having like penetrative sex like once like penis to vagina.
Sense makes no sense in the context of this episode alone you would think Carrie would
understand how and why a mouth and fingers can and almost all the time does feel better
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than just penetrative sex.
100% it's also like there's a lot of people in the world who can't get off from penetrative
sex or don't like it or doesn't feel right like barely anybody can.
It's such a baseline or a fraction of people had a normative like way to talk about it
which is obviously like that's Carrie's whole thing like she's the least adventurous when
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it comes to sex even less than Charlotte I would say a lot of the time.
No way.
Charlotte can't even say the word pussy.
Charlotte is less adventurous than Carrie 100%.
I'm sorry but no you're wrong about that.
I would say she's more prudish.
Remember the episode where the guy said that he was really good at eating pussy and Charlotte
was like completely turned off and scared of it and decided she don't want to date him
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anymore.
Okay you're right you're right I'm being dramatic but it's like I think as the show goes on
Charlotte proves that she's more down to clown than Carrie is a lot of the time.
I think she's less interested in doing it with random people but like I think like she's
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given head to Harry and just like that her she's like telling Tray to fuck her.
Yeah like no I think she likes sex and enjoys sex but who's more adventurous I gotta give
that to Carrie between the two of them.
Between the two of them obviously Samantha's the champion but yeah I don't know this whole
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it just Carrie such a bummer sometimes it's like shut up you don't know what you're talking
about but it is funny when Miranda's like well actually Maria if we're going by the
size of it she probably has three and a third dicks.
And I'm like okay this is funny this is actually funny and like an interesting joke on in this
conversation.
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Yes.
So yeah and I was just like done with the whole conversation I was so happy when it cut
to the next scene.
Same.
Carrie and her boyfriend and she like gets really annoyed with him because she brings
over a jazz CD and she tries to like talk to him about it for a second.
Yeah.
And he just like he just has to go play a record and she's like stop stop don't do it just stop
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and she's like where are you from and he's like he starts going off on a million tangents
talking about like canned corn and shit and I'm just like oh my god this guy just has
ADHD.
Yeah and she's like I will say she does try.
Yeah.
To like do with it like do the right thing and be like oh yeah like I like I bought a
jazz like whoo and he's just like cannot focus obviously.
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But yeah it's just like girl give it up.
Give it up.
I mean get laid first but she does she does she's like okay anyways let's fuck.
And then we get to Charlotte and she gets pissed off because he asked her because Trey
asked her to measure his dick and it's like instead of asking her to move in he asked
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her that and it's like I totally disagree with her reaction.
Charlotte sucks at communication.
She's holding it all in and then expecting him to be a mind reader like it just bothers
me.
I hate you.
Yes I agree with you.
And she's a terrible communicator.
She didn't express to him at all a single time that she wanted to talk about potentially
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having her move back in.
She's a terrible communicator but he's also being so fucking annoying constantly talking
about his dick now.
I think they're both wrong.
I think in the context of them just having had sex him talking about his dick is not
a reach.
No but I also think she's just like we can't talk about your dick.
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But she only expresses that to him after he's done it like five times.
She doesn't tell him gently a single time like hey it would be great if you could stop
talking about it.
Again she sucks at communication expects him to read her mind and when he doesn't she
explodes.
But I will say I think also this is building up because so much of their relationship has
been not talking about the elephant in the room.
Of his dick and not being able to have sex and him not being able to get hard and all
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that.
So I think she's like no matter what all we do is talk about your dick.
Like at the end of the day.
I get why she's annoyed.
But still like communicate that in a way that is not screaming at him.
Yeah I mean and tell him one time and see if he actually changes the behavior instead
of expecting him to read your mind and then exploding when he inevitably doesn't.
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Totally.
I agree.
And she just bothered me about her character.
Oh absolutely.
But it's also very classic her.
Yeah.
Like it's just.
Part of the reason I really don't fuck with Charlotte that much.
But I am glad she like you know what I can appreciate the fact that she does blow up.
At all.
Instead of just not saying anything.
Yeah she's not a pushover it's just I mean she is for like 80% of the time and then the
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last 20% is when she decides to use her voice.
But it's just so funny her being like don't talk about moving in in front of the penis.
Yeah.
It made me laugh so hard.
Her whole like freak out I was like giggling.
Yeah her whole freak out was just like so silly.
It's so silly.
It's so.
The music cue in the shower.
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Oh my god I just remembered something.
It's so funny what.
Wait holy shit I just got chills.
Okay the next scene is Miranda eating chocolate cake out of the trash.
And who did I say that Miranda reminded me of on Seinfeld.
George.
And what does George do at a dinner party one time.
Okay who of us haven't eaten sweets out of the garbage.
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He eats an eclair out of the trash and then the lady catches him red handed.
She is so fucking George coded it's not even funny.
I would do that.
Holy shit.
I would have done that.
I'm a pig.
And I won't I won't I won't feel bad.
I love her pouring the dish soap on it though was so fucking funny.
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I agree.
I was like she's real for that.
I get it.
I totally get it.
I need that boundary.
You need to set that boundary otherwise you're going to continue to do it.
Oh my god.
But also yeah Charlotte freaking out the music in the shower made me laugh so hard.
Her like aggressively scrubbing her hair.
Oh my god.
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And then freaking out.
And then she gets out the shower with shampoo in her hair.
Like mascara running down her face still because she didn't finish washing.
Oh I loved it.
I lived.
I loved it.
I'm sorry.
She's so stupid.
She's so over dramatic and stupid.
Okay.
And then after that it cuts to Miranda pouring dish soap on the cake after she eats a slice
of it out of the trash and then she calls Carrie and she's like I know you're having
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mind blowing sex but I just took a piece of cake out of the trash and ate it so you'll
probably need this information when you check me into the Betty Crocker clinic.
Instead of the Betty Ford clinic.
Oh my god.
I will say a lot of the jokes this episode are Miranda's.
A lot of the best jokes.
Yeah.
Miranda is very funny in this one.
She's really good.
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It was typical George shit.
Yeah.
Just good comic relief.
And when in doubt.
And jerk off.
I know.
Like I loved the part where Samantha becomes like a star pupil of lesbian sex.
I'm sorry I scored right in her face.
It was so funny.
Oh my god.
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It was and her reaction is just so.
She's like was that good or bad.
Which is such a sweet question.
Very good.
Yeah.
I love her.
It was so cute.
She is just my everything.
She's the best for a reason.
She really is.
And then she comes over and reproposes to Charlotte.
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I don't really care for Trey at all.
I don't either.
I literally have the note.
When does she meet Harry.
I'm over this.
Right.
Like Charlotte is such an angel for trying to make this work as long as she did.
But she just like quit now.
Yeah.
Quit while you're ahead or behind even.
Just quit.
Yeah.
And then Carrie's like so after I left ADD another dating disaster.
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I was like you are fucked up for that.
She's so funny.
I'm sorry.
She's so fucking funny.
Stop now.
Messy bitch.
She's so fucking rude.
Such a mess.
I hate her.
I love it.
It made me laugh.
That made me laugh out hard.
Me too.
And then her look is very chic.
Yeah.
Why is she walking under the Queensborough Bridge like this.
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Yeah.
Like what the fuck is going on.
As if there's only been like one other episode where she's ever walked.
Yeah.
I'm gonna catch a cab so I walked home.
Bitch take the subway.
You stupid.
She's like I walked 40 blocks and I'm like no you didn't.
You're such a liar not in those Minolos.
Yeah girl get a fucking cab.
Be serious.
I hate her.
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She's such a goof.
But I like this episode.
I'm so glad you picked it.
It made me really happy.
Like just like genuine laughing out loud.
Me too.
I'm so glad I picked it too.
And I'm so excited to record our next one.
And do you know what you're gonna choose.
Oh god I forgot to look.
I think I know off the top of my head but let me double check.
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It is oh we are finally getting into this is the only season six episode we have on
the list.
And it is season six episode seven and it is the Post-it breakup.
Oh wow.
Iconic episode.
Iconic.
I can't wait.
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Hello. Hello.
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So what, no fucking ziti now?
Don't make me laugh.
Hi, welcome to You Know That Episode. I'm Trev.
And I'm Victoria. We're two friends who watch too much TV.
We break down iconic episodes of good shows
and bad, and explain why we feel the way we do.
Today we're talking about season 4, episode 4 of Sex in the City titled
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What Sex Got to Do with It, which aired on June 17th, 2001.
Now, this is one of your episodes.
Yeah, this is one of mine. The main reason I chose it, obviously.
Clearly, just because I succame to the blatant queerbaiting,
which was Samantha having a lesbian story arc for like all of five episodes or some shit.
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But honestly, queerbaiting, honestly for a three-part storyline, they handled it perfectly.
They handled it really well.
It's not so stereotypical.
Samantha really uses it as a way to explore sexual fluidity.
And all the things she says are spot-on.
When they ridicule her for it and all this shit, she gives them hell.
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And she's like, no, I'm serious. I'm having a relationship. It's not all about sex.
I was shocked by the kind of...
I don't know. I was shocked by Samantha in this episode in a way that I'm not usually,
because obviously she's the most sex-positive, sex-forward of the group.
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We've talked about that at length.
But she, like, I'm glad that she says to Carrie that she was a little upset with them for not taking it so seriously.
And you know what it reminds me of?
Well, two things, actually. The first thing is...
Something from the outward?
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No. The first thing it makes me think is the fact that her first healthy relationship where she's like,
I actually feel really good. We haven't even had sex yet. I want it to be special.
And that was with a woman. So, okay.
And the second thing is when she finally does have sex, she's humbled in a really refreshing way and realizes sex is not just like...
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Yeah.
Sex is not just all about the physical. Sometimes it can be about the emotional connection,
which Carrie kind of learns that in this episode too.
Sometimes it's not all about the emotional connection. Sometimes it's just about the physical aspect.
100%.
So I feel like they're opposites in that regard.
Yeah, they're like a good yin and yang to each other in this episode.
But the fact that they didn't take their relationship seriously reminded me of Jersey Shore,
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and you're gonna laugh when I tell you why.
I have this really weird theory about Snooki and Dina and like the whole situation with Gianni.
So do you remember the season where they go to Italy?
Okay, there's this one episode where Dina and Snooki get really drunk and make out for the entire episode.
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They make out for literally the entire episode. Everyone starts to get sick of them by the end of the episode.
At first they're all like, okay, whatever. They're just drunk and they're gonna do what they're gonna do.
But then by the end of the episode, everyone's like, okay, it's starting to gross me out.
They have literally not disconnected their faces from each other for hours.
They're even breathing at this point.
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And the next day after that happens, they're super hungover, but Snooki's in a terror.
Everyone's like, what's going on? Why are you freaking out?
And she's like, I'm freaking out because I'm gonna have to tell Gianni that I cheated on him.
Oh, yes. I do remember this.
And he's like, well, it was just with a girl, right? And she's like, yeah, it was with Dina.
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We made out the whole night, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, I don't care because it was with a girl.
And I feel like that really invalidated her bisexuality in a way.
I feel like maybe Snooki was bisexual or is bisexual or something like that.
And she really took it seriously, the fact that she cheated on Gianni with Dina and was treating it like that.
But when she told Gianni that, he totally invalidated it because it was with a woman.
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And I feel like they did the same thing to Samantha in this episode where it was like, okay, ladies, yes, I'm a lesbian.
And they were like, um, no, you're just sex-hungry.
Like when Charlotte was like, oh, she just ran out of guys to fuck, that really offended me.
Yeah, I was kind of shocked in the blatant homophobia of the walk.
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When they were walking away.
It was like the homophobia, the slut-shaming.
It was so, it didn't, I don't want to say out of character because especially coming from Charlotte, she's such a prude.
She always kind of looks down on how Samantha is with sex.
But it felt like a, uh, especially mean-natured.
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You know what I mean? Like very mean girls talking about their friend like that.
Yeah, when they were like, um, okay, you're a lesbian, now I'm a shoe. I've always wanted to be one and now I am one.
I was like, I'm going to punch you in the head.
It was so rude. Yeah, I just like, it really took me out.
And then I am glad later on when Samantha and Kerry do talk. She is kind of like, annoyed with the fact that they acted like that.
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Yeah, it was rude and especially, and she even said, she's like, how long have I listened to all of you talk about all the men you date?
Yeah, and not only that, Samantha is not a relationship person and finally she's in one that makes her happy and that is like vaguely healthy compared to...
Yeah.
And it's just like, it really sucks the fact that they didn't take it seriously because of the fact it was with a woman.
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It's, yeah, it was just really, it kind of shocked me a little bit in a way that I wasn't expecting from them. They're so...
You would think that they... I would think it'd be funnier if they were shocked she's in a relationship at all, instead of them being shocked she's dating a woman.
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Because Samantha having this really fluid sexuality is not surprising. It's kind of a natural next step for a character like hers.
Like, you know, not to talk about it like this, but you can only up the ante of her sexual antics so much.
Right, and it makes complete sense to me that this would be a mechanism for them to excite the audience again because like, okay, here is some Samantha just having sex again.
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Yeah.
It's season four. They've done it all.
It's season four. We've seen her do everything. It's like, how many times can we see her fuck like the UPS guy or get in a sling or something like that.
So I think her exploring her sexuality is interesting and in line with her character. So it is kind of weird to have this like reaction from the girls.
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Other than that, it's my favorite episode because I love Samantha so much. It makes complete sense to me that in this, it makes sense to see the one to explore her relationship with a woman.
Although I will say, thinking about Miranda in the context of Ann just like that, there was a couple of moments that were very telling.
The first one was when Miranda was walking down the street with them and she said, eat pussy and everyone else was shocked.
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Yeah, they were like, it was so, I just, maybe this has something about me more than anything. I just don't like, saying pussy doesn't feel vulgar to me.
That's like the most basic term that you could use.
I feel like saying vagina is more vulgar.
Yeah, it's very clinical. It feels awkward.
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Yes, you took the words right out of my mouth. We're like saying pussy. I'm like, yeah, that's what it is.
It's like saying dick.
Pussy and dick are one in the same.
She's acting like, well, Carrie's acting like she's got a cunt and I feel like cunt and cock are also one in the same.
Carrie's acting like she's got a cunt and she didn't.
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I would agree with that.
The fact that Miranda said she should have is what kind of is like, that was a little like, I feel like that was a little nod.
Yeah, that was very leszy.
That's very leszy.
Yeah, and there was also a new one to where Miranda is the only one out of the group who's not having phenomenal sex because she's on a strike.
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And then at the end she's just like, anyway, I'm going to use my vibrator. It's very, I hate men, but I don't know what it is.
It's very Elaine on the subway saying, I hate men, but I'm not a lesbian.
Truly.
It's very like, I haven't gotten there yet, coded.
Yeah, I love it. I love Miranda in this episode. I relate to her a lot. It's so funny.
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I just, I have a sweet tooth too. I get it.
A mouthful sweet tooth.
Same.
But, oh, and also this episode, this episode is one of my least favorite carry boyfriends.
The Jazz players are one of your least favorite.
I think he's so annoying.
He is kind of pretentious, but at the same time he's deeply relatable. As someone with ADHD, I totally relate.
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Yeah.
Like, I think he's very sexy and like, in the context of this episode and the story, I understand it and I get it.
But I, the whole time I'm like, oh, he's so fucking annoying.
But that doesn't take away from him, I feel.
Because like, to be honest,
No, no, no, no. I mean, we all have to be honest.
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This is just me being...
My opinion is that his annoyingness and pretentiousness is annoying.
I mean, obviously he does though, he knows what he's doing with Karen.
He's got the most intense orgasms of her life.
I can't believe she let it go all because he was annoying.
Yes.
He's been really annoying.
Yeah, I'm like, I would have kept his name in the role of Ex-Toe.
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You're gonna be a backup.
Yeah, you're gonna be a backup.
Just in case.
Booty call.
Exactly.
Also, my first note in this episode is in all caps and it just says twin towers.
Because we see the twin towers.
Because we see the twin towers.
It shows the twin towers.
I'm just like, every time I see them in something, I'm like, oh, it just takes me out.
Because this episode was shot and aired only a couple months before 9-11.
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But it just like, it guides me every time.
That's crazy.
It's such a stupid thing at this point.
But every time I'm like, oh my god, yeah.
You should start one of those accounts for like spotting in different media.
Twin towers.
Every outfit in Sector City, every twin towers.
Every tower in every media from the 2000s.
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But it's so true.
It's just like, because I'm so accustomed to the world post 9-11 now and media taking
place in New York City without them.
So now I see it.
It feels, it stands out even more.
But yeah, that's my first note.
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Mine is Jazz Guy.
Jazz Guy.
My friend, Wall of Records.
The fact that he goes, his apartment is nice.
The fact that he goes to replay that one, bass lick, was like.
I get it.
Like, okay girl, I get it.
But like, again, I'm the same way.
But he's so cunty and relatable.
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Like, I love the part where he pretended to faint.
I love the part where he pretended to faint when Carrie said she didn't like Jazz.
Now you're describing this man as cunty.
He is cunty.
That's so fucking funny to me.
Carrie's like, okay, I guess I'm gonna go.
He's like, okay, I guess this would be a bad time for me to tell you.
I don't really like Jazz and he pretends to faint.
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No, he's like Adiva.
He's a stunt girl.
He is Adiva.
I love him.
He is very funny.
It does make me giggle.
And then Carrie's like, well, I just don't like it because like, it doesn't have any rhythm.
You can't dance to it.
And he's like, Carrie, you have to stop making it to something else.
Just enjoy it for what it is.
And I'm like, I don't know.
He kind of spilled.
I think he's right.
And I do find it very sexy when he starts to like play her.
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I was like, I get it.
He's like, let me play like a bass and she's like, don't I have to be in some kind of music union?
Okay, pro union queen.
I really, I did find that very sexy and I do like their back and forth.
I like, I think musicians make really cool partners.
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Yeah, I agree.
My opinion.
I'm trying to think of any others we have in the show.
Musicians?
The Russian plays the piano.
Right.
I was watching some season five and six episodes.
Or no, I was watching season six episodes because I was watching around when Charlotte and Miranda get married and Tony and Miranda get married.
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Imagine.
But the Russian showed up and I was just like, seething.
You know, my mom used to say that her favorite thing.
I know.
I said, I told Tony.
She's fucking insane.
I told Tony.
I was like, I don't trust people who like the Russian.
And then immediately I was like, Victoria's mom likes the Russian.
She's nuts.
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She's insane.
She's insane.
Bunkers.
That is the craziest thing she's ever said to me.
Someone saying they like the Russian is like so much worse than someone saying they like big.
And the fact that my mom loves big.
No, this is red flag upon red flag.
Yeah, your mom is, we need to like, we need to talk.
We need to have an intervention.
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She's scaring the shit out of me.
That's crazy though.
Yeah.
She's like, I love big, but my other favorite boyfriend of hers is the Russian.
I love like, he seems so cool.
So like, I'm like, he's so rotten.
Yeah, he is.
Oh, anyway.
Okay.
So let's jump back into this.
Yes.
She's at the boyfriend's house.
They fuck.
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And the next night she goes out with the girls and tells them she had the most intense orgasm of her life.
She's giggling like a schoolgirl.
Right.
And she's being really coy.
And they're all like, okay.
It's kind of sweet.
It is, but then she starts talking about it and she's like, well, it's weird because I can only usually have this kind of orgasm with somebody that I love.
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And I was like, oh.
Interesting.
That's.
I was like, oh.
She's like, no, not aroment.
What is it called when, what is it called when you can only have-
Is that demisexual?
Yeah, demisexual.
That's what it is.
Ooh.
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Yes.
Or like, you can have a sense of people that you're in love with.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like-
Sexual attraction to someone after they formed a strong emotional bond.
Yeah.
So it's so caring, sexual.
It's like-
Yeah.
So that surprised me.
It was interesting.
Say that, and then, but she continues to have sex with men who she hasn't built a strong relationship with though, from like six seasons.
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Like she had sex with some guys.
Well, I think she's specifically like, because she's gotten off in other episodes with Rando's.
Yeah.
Or guys that she doesn't really like.
So it just like makes no sense.
Like in the first episode, doesn't she get off with the guy who goes down on her and during the whole like, can women have sex like men?
Yes.
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And she hates him.
She's accused by her saying this.
So I think she means like, I think it's like this specific type of like full body orgasm maybe.
Because like when they do show it, it seems incredibly intense.
Yeah.
So I think it might just-
That makes complete sense.
Might just be like the level of intensity.
Which could be because like, one, he knows what he's doing.
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Two, he's just so like, kind of all over the place that like, he could spin a lot of plates at once.
If like, so I don't know, but I am interested in this.
Because then it's like, well, what is her like, so far the only other men that I would associate that I would think in the show that have gotten her there then would be Aiden and Big.
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Right.
Those are the only, those are the only serious boyfriend she has.
Everyone else is like one or two episodes.
I'm looking up, are people with ADD better?
She makes such a fuss about that.
She does.
She like goes, she like makes it a point.
Yeah.
And then it's like, they're all making jokes and stuff and then Samantha's like, let her talk.
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Yeah.
So far this is inconclusive.
Actually says here that most people with ADHD have lower sex drives.
Oh.
Interesting.
What doesn't say much about the actual quality of the sex.
Okay.
Anyway.
Um, what else?
Samantha decides to finally tell them about her relationship.
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And they are gagged.
They are shocked stun speechless.
Although Carrie is more shocked about the fact that she's having a relationship.
Which is I think the appropriate reaction.
I agree.
And it was a perfectly written line.
It was so funny.
She's like, yes, ladies, I'm a lesbian.
And Charlotte is shocked and is like, she's like, wait, with Maria, Maria from my gallery.
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And she's like, yes, we're having a relationship.
And Carrie's like, wait a second, you're having a relationship.
It's so funny.
Her delivery was spot on.
And they're also gagged.
They're also gagged.
And this woman was giving like older Selma Hayek vibes.
But I guess it's her.
But no, she gives that.
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She's so hot.
She's so hot.
She is hot.
And so is Samantha.
Honestly.
Oh my God.
They're a hot fucking couple.
The reactions from everyone else are very fucked up.
Yes.
100%.
Oh, also, one of this scene has one of my favorite Miranda lines when she's talking about the
sex strike and they say, well, how many people will this be affecting?
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And she says, so far just want just the one, but I'm optimistic.
Oh, that made me hoot and holler.
Me too.
There's so much union and strike talk episode in this.
It is so such a weird motif through this episode.
They're literally talking about union and strike so much in this episode.
It's it's so weird.
It is such a jarring like bit to follow throughout this.
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It's just not what you expect.
I agree.
I love it though.
I this this episode had me so it's not one I would have ever picked.
But I'm so glad that you picked it because I forgot how fucking funny it is.
It is very funny.
Okay.
So then they're walking down the street and they say some fucked up shit.
Yeah, it's just like not nice.
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Yeah, it's very basic in a way the show's dialogue isn't usually carries like, I can't believe
that she's now lesbian like just like that.
And Charlotte's like, no, she's not a lesbian.
She's just doing this to bother us or something.
And it's so weird.
She's just doing this because she ran out of men to sleep with and then Miranda was like,
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yeah, I mean, I don't get it.
Like one day you wake up and you're something completely different.
Like how does that work?
And that was fucked up for Miranda.
Obviously they had no idea that we're going to make her a lesbian and just like that.
Yeah, but that line did not age well.
No, and I mean, none of this conversation age well.
It's so weird.
I mean, historically, the show doesn't deal with queer politics or queer identity very
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well, especially when it comes to where Carrie plays spin the bottle.
Yeah, I think it's a land is more set.
It's such a weird, I mean, this is probably because the show was written by two gay men.
Yeah, but the show, you would think that makes it.
Well, they, the thing is gay men sexuality is dealt with in a very good way.
Well, actually, you know what it is.
It's actually perfect writing because I would imagine this is how women in the 90s would have
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reacted.
Oh my God.
For waspy women.
Yeah, no, this is three waspy women.
They were probably like, okay, what would Carrie say about Samantha being a lesbian?
Yeah, let's just write that they weren't like, oh, how do we make them politically correct?
Because these women are really pretty far from that, I feel.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Which like, I appreciate.
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I mean, believe me, this is not a complaint.
I'm never going to be one of those people who's like, well, that doesn't hold up to
today's politics.
So it's awful.
And it's like, no, that's not how media works.
That's not how interacting with me.
Literate people.
Yes.
And people like, okay, these characters are not perfect.
They're not going to be perfect.
We shouldn't expect them to be perfect.
But it seems especially mean in this scene.
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Especially considering it's their best friend.
Yeah.
Who is a whore?
Yeah.
Like this is the least surprising thing we could expect from her.
I think most annoying also is when Carrie is like, I just can't believe it.
For once I have an earthshatter and whorecatcher and Samantha still manages to up sex me.
And like, girl, shut up.
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No one cares about your orgasm.
But I did think that was a funny line.
I think that's the most like in character.
That was very in character, but it was just so stupid.
It's so silly because it's like, Carrie just needs to be the center of attention.
Yeah.
No matter what.
Typical Libra.
Typical Libra antics.
Typical fucking Libra.
Okay.
Moving on to Miranda.
So she goes home.
She says that she's found the perfect relationship.
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It's John Stewart and Chocolatey Clairs.
Oh, I would kill for a Chocolatey Clair.
She's eating a ton of like baked goods and sweets and all this shit.
It all looks so good too.
It's so relatable.
It's very, very, very relatable.
And then it cuts to Charlotte and Trey.
And Trey refers to his dick as a John Thomas.
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I hate this.
I don't get that as a euphemism.
How is that a euphemism?
I don't know if it is.
John Thomas?
Like, where did that originate from?
I think anything it might just be like a nickname.
I'm looking up John Thomas.
The first thing that comes up is a furniture maker in North Carolina.
Yeah, North Carolina.
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John Thomas dick.
This says...
Oh, it is slang.
Yeah, it is.
Oh, I guess it's like British slang.
Oh.
Like, it says specifically cockney.
Okay.
I guess we are not familiar enough with cockney slang.
That is so...that's just never...
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I mean, outside of Sexton City, I've never heard it used like that.
Obviously, I'm not from fucking the UK.
Right.
Yeah, it's British English slang.
Uh...
Man, the poor...
I guess it's like...it's in Monty Python.
I feel bad for the people who named their company that.
Yeah.
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They probably have no idea.
Also, I just don't like when people have nicknames for their dick.
Me either.
It's weird.
It's very weird.
I find it weird too.
I don't like it, but I do like Charlotte and Trifucking.
I do like that.
And later on when they're like...they're fucking...
against the...
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The console table.
Yeah, the console table.
And I'm like, this is kind of hot.
Yeah, it was.
And she's like, Trif, I'm on the mallard and he just throws it.
And I'm like, okay, and they're like half-clothed.
I was like, I get it.
I love this.
It was nice to see.
So, then, Samantha calls Carrie.
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And Carrie's like waiting for her boy toy to get over the house.
And Samantha's so right about them.
They were so bitchy the other night.
She pegged them.
She pegged them.
She knew exactly what they were up to.
And she was like, so did you guys talk shit about me on the way home?
She's like, how many blocks?
And Carrie's like, two, okay, fine, nine.
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And she's like, oh, lesbian, shmeshbean.
It's just a label like Gucci or Versace.
And Carrie's like, or Birkenstock.
Which was funny.
And then she says vagina, shmagina.
Right.
And she's like, oh, shmagina.
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Also, Carrie looks so hot here.
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Carrie looks really good.
She has a couple of really hot moments in this episode.
Like the low rise jeans.
I also love her look at the very end with the sunglasses and that tight dress.
Yes.
Oh, yes.
And I also love her pinstripe shirt that she wears to the diner.
She looks, she's like, glowing in that shirt.
Yes, I agree.
But yeah, Ray shows up.
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She lets him in while she's on the phone with Samantha.
And he starts to go down on her.
And while she's on the phone, she literally is like on the phone with Samantha still.
And then Samantha can like hear him and is like, is Ray over there?
Which is very sexy to me.
I think that's kind of hot.
Yeah.
It's like inappropriate but hot.
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And I think Samantha understands better than anyone because she probably does the same thing about 100 times.
100 percent.
Right.
I agree.
It's just funny because they've completely switched roles.
Yes, it's so fun.
Carrie is like on the phone with her and like literally has a guy going down on her as she's talking.
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And Samantha's like, I don't know.
We haven't had sex yet.
I just, I want it to be really special, you know?
I want it to feel really right.
And I feel like it's usually the opposite.
Yeah.
Carrie is going on and on about her relationship and Samantha's just getting fucked.
It's so fun.
And I do, I really, I do like the role reversal.
Yeah.
And I just like, I love Samantha in this episode.
Oh, wait, who says the, this, I have a line, the next line here, but I don't know who, I didn't write down who said it.
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Casa de lesbo.
I have Casa de lesbo too.
I think it's Carrie and a voiceover.
Because.
Yeah, Carrie says, okay.
So she, wait, wait, we're skipping over it.
I know, I'm sorry.
No, it's fine.
So they hang up and then Carrie starts writing for her.
Yes.
And then she goes into voiceover mode.
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She says, I'm in, I'm having sex without a relationship.
Samantha's having a relationship without sex.
Which one had a better shot of survival?
And then she's like, I'm going to try really hard to have a relationship with, with, with Ray, the jazz player.
Yes.
So she goes over to his house and she's like, they're making out.
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And then all of a sudden she's like, wait, where did you go to school?
But like all he wants to do is fuck.
And it's so weird how she's brain, how she's going about it.
I completely agree.
Like take him out to dinner and have a conversation that don't like.
That's also the thing.
He's like about to start having sex.
I also think it's like baby time and place.
Obviously you're only going to his or your apartment.
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Like we haven't seen you actually out yet.
In a place where you could just have a conversation.
Because even when she says that they've been in a couple of dates, they say, well, they've been to like four jazz clubs.
It's like, how are you guys going to talk when all you're doing is going to places where you're supposed to shut up and listen to music.
Or going to each other's apartments and fucking.
Right.
Which is like, again, fine, but you need to like go to a rice, go to a diner.
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She's so dumb.
She's so dumb.
So it basically during the cut between her and him about to have sex.
She says over at Casa de Lesbos and then it shows Samantha with Maria.
I literally have the note Casa de Lesbo new contact for Victoria.
Oh my God, I love that.
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It's very, this scene is very erotic.
It's so fucking sexy.
Samantha's like eating fruit out of Maria's mouth.
Maria's so hot.
Maria's hot.
And then Samantha being humbled is one of the best moments.
Yeah.
She goes down to Maria and Maria's like, hello, like it's not working.
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She's like, what the fuck are you doing?
Yeah.
She's like, it's not a porno.
Like, like, actually, I want you to actually look at my bossetta, which is pussy in Portuguese,
which was so hot.
Her saying pussy now on.
I'm using that from now on.
Absolutely.
When she says pussy and she's kind of like she kind of says it quietly.
Yeah, it was very sexy.
I love I as okay as a gay man.
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I love lesbian porn.
Lesbians are hot, man.
They're so hot watching women have sex.
They're very hot.
Like, Lesbians sex is no joke.
Kicks ass.
I was like watching the scene.
I was like, this is fucking one of the hottest scenes in the whole show.
Period.
It's crazy.
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They have such good chemistry.
They do have great chemistry and they rocked it.
Yeah, it's like palpable.
It's called a great job.
Yeah.
What's new?
You know, she's always crushing it.
No, she's always.
She's so good.
I just like, I'm so impressed by her every time.
But yeah, they have such great chemistry.
The scene is so much fun to watch.
And especially like having so few actual queer like sex scenes on this show.
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Yeah, we get a couple of like Stanford flirting or like kiss making out with someone,
but we never really get like fucking.
Yeah, it's nice that when it is shown, it is shown to be like a really intimate and even
Samantha not knowing what to do.
Like she's not treated stupid or anything like that.
Like Maria is really gentle with her still and is like, okay, here's what you're going
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to do.
Like, yeah, she explains it.
She's like, just take it slow, blah, blah, blah.
Especially given the audience for this show at the time.
Yeah, she handled it like, okay, the actresses handled it really well.
Yeah, Maria handled Samantha really well.
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean for 2001.
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I'm very impressed with how they showed kind of, I think they handled it better here than
they do it in just like that.
Oh, really?
Interesting.
Because I think it's, I don't know, I think it's maybe sweeter here because it is to people
who aren't like in relationships.
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Yeah.
I think that kind of soil soils it for me when it's Miranda and Che because of the Steve
of it all.
Although in this new season there officially like in a relationship.
Yes.
Which I'm only caught up to episode three.
I haven't seen four or four yet.
I'm not caught up at all.
I'm still only on the first one.
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But I do.
I need to really catch up.
Yeah.
I do like how they're handling it in the second season better than season one because now
it's kind of just all out there.
So it's like they can just be a relationship.
But yeah, I don't.
I'm fortunate when like a relationship has to start through cheating.
Yeah.
I'm a bummer and I don't know.
I, I'd like it better here.
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It feels sweeter.
It feels more intimate.
It feels more fluid, like natural.
Right.
It doesn't feel like one of the characters is having like an identity crisis.
I agree.
Which I am happy to see.
I feel like a lot of the time we see queer media and it's like one person very confident
in themselves and the other person being like, I'm gay now.
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You know what's interesting though, that I kind of love.
Yeah.
Like, it makes complete sense to me that Samantha wouldn't have an identity crisis over this
and would handle it with such confidence though because she's so sexually liberated where
Miranda is not.
Totally.
That's as confident as her sexually.
So I feel that makes complete sense.
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I 100% agree with that.
I don't even think Miranda has really ever been all that confident in her relationships
with men.
I don't even know.
I don't even know her to go and have a relationship with a woman.
It's like, holy shit.
It's a different ballpark.
Yeah.
I 100% agree.
And I do like that.
I mean, I was watching other episodes and this isn't relevant because we're not going
to talk about this episode.
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But like, in that way, even just like spending time with Steve on their honeymoon, like she's
so just uncomfortable with just that.
So I don't know.
I like this scene.
I like this storyline better.
And if it's Miranda being gay is like obvious and should have been to things since day one.
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I don't know.
I'm more drawn to Samantha Maria.
I wonder if Cynthia Nixon wanted Miranda to be a lesbian.
Yeah.
Or queer at least.
Because like, isn't she bisexual in real life?
I think she's a lesbian in real life.
Maybe she's bisexual.
I could be wrong.
I accept that.
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She's some bisexual.
But now identifying as queer.
Oh, OK.
Which is like, OK.
But she's married to a woman as far as I know.
OK.
Well.
Cool.
But yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I'm sure that had a factor in it where she's like, obviously I want to be genuine
to herself.
Right.
(33:37):
And like.
I mean, Miranda has always been kind of lesz-y coded.
Exactly.
To be honest.
Yeah.
Out of all of them.
Oh, absolutely.
It's a very understandable progression for the character at this point.
Yeah.
I think there are some people whose favorite character is Miranda.
I get it.
She has moments for me.
(33:57):
She has funny moments for sure.
But it's kind of like saying your favorite character from Seinfeld is George.
Yeah.
Like.
Is Samantha the Elaine?
Because it's like, that's the cool girl's favorite?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Elaine is definitely Samantha.
Kramer.
No.
No.
Wait, wait, wait.
Because Elaine is always kind of good for them.
And I feel like that's usually Charlotte.
Yeah.
But I'm thinking about the people who are drawn to those characters.
Like Elaine is a very girls and gays character.
Agreed.
You know what I mean?
(34:39):
Where Samantha is very much for the girls and the gays.
Hmm.
I'm going to write this out.
There's Jerry, George, Elaine, Kramer.
And then on the other side we have Carrie.
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I think if someone tells me their favorite character is Kramer, I'm like, you are insane.
And I feel the same way about Charlotte.
Where it's just like, really, out of the four?
It's that one, huh?
Okay.
I feel like that makes sense.
Miranda is definitely George.
Carrie is Jerry because of the main character factor.
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And it's just like someone telling you their favorite character is Carrie or Jerry.
You're like, okay, you're very boring to me.
I feel like, okay.
Yeah.
Elaine is, Elaine is Samantha and Charlotte is Kramer.
Yeah.
I just, I don't think the characters are similar.
Yeah.
But I think it's very much like.
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Who's drawn to them?
Yes, exactly.
Who's the, who are the fans of this character?
I feel like if you're choosing Kramer as your favorite fucking character, you're like trying
to be different.
Yeah.
And I feel that way about Charlotte.
And I love Charlotte.
Charlotte is my favorite character on and just like that.
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She slays.
I'm like, I'm obsessed.
I like the Samantha replacement.
I forgot her name.
Nima.
Seema.
Seema.
Yes, I do like her.
I think my favorite of the new cast is LTW.
Lisa Todd Wexley, my queen.
Yeah.
Cause I'm just like, I think my favorite scenes in the show are her and Charlotte.
(36:27):
You know that she was in a lesbian movie.
Really?
I didn't know that.
That I'm obsessed with.
She's in a lesbian movie called The Adventures of Two Girls in Love and it's with Laurel
Holloman who plays Tina on the L Word.
Oh, I know.
It's a very good movie.
Okay.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I kind of love her.
(36:48):
She's really fucking talented.
Yeah.
And she's Gorgina.
Yeah.
She's, it's, it's like alarming how beautiful she is.
Oh wow.
This movie is, this is like a movie for, oh my God.
I'm looking at screenshots now of that movie.
Oh my God.
I'm in love with them both.
I love them so much.
They're so hot.
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That movie shaped me and I will say I watched that movie before I ever watched But I'm a
Cheerleader.
Really?
But I'm a Cheerleader, gets great accolades and it's a great movie, no shade, but this
movie is better.
This looks like the lessee version of like my own private Idaho.
(37:30):
I've never seen that.
Oh, bitch.
Get on it.
It's like that you would, you would gag at that movie.
It's incredible.
It's so beautiful.
But yeah, I mean, from just looking at this movie, it feels like it's hard to compare it
(37:53):
to But I'm a Cheerleader.
I feel like they're going after very different things.
No, they're both coming of age lessee stories.
That's all I'm talking about.
Okay.
I'm just talking about, in the category of coming of age lessee movies, I want this one
above that one.
Okay, that's fair.
Similar films.
They're not similar at all.
Okay.
That I can respect that.
I'm on a what, maybe I'll watch this movie this week.
Cool.
(38:13):
Let me know what you think.
I will.
It looks really fun or like beautiful.
Yeah.
I love Laurel Holloman.
Don't get me started, please.
I can't.
I won't.
Don't worry.
I won't.
Moving on.
Miranda, we cut to Miranda and she was about to pay $74 for a cake, which is a lot of money,
but I understand.
(38:34):
I understand and I probably would have purchased it unlike Miranda.
Okay.
Wow.
$74.
All right.
I guess I'm committing where we're probably usually have the willpower to walk away.
If I had the money, I would spend it without a second thought.
Yeah.
And then, cut to Carrie, we kind of jump into a montage now from house to house.
(38:56):
And Carrie's like giggling.
I really love this like montage.
I love it too.
I love having a really intense orgasm.
And then Miranda just keeps on making cake and eating cake in every single scene.
And then Samantha's like literally going down to Maria and is like shocked by what she's
seeing apparently.
(39:17):
And she's like, oh, it's like, girl, you have one.
I know it's different.
It's different from that angle.
It's different from that angle.
I know, but it's also like, girl.
I was shocked when she sits them down and they're all like, so tell us about your relationship.
And she's like, well, did you know that the vagina like literally like engorges to the
(39:40):
sides of a fist?
And the fact that we have three holes and Charlotte's like, please stop.
And then fucking Miranda just looks at Charlie and she's like, this is your fault.
Oh my God.
So hilarious.
It's just annoying that Charlotte continues to be like, no, I'm not taking it seriously.
(40:05):
She's just doing it to bug us.
And it's not until Carrie says, I don't know about that.
She said they haven't even had sex yet.
She wants it to be special.
Yeah.
And Charlotte's like, wow.
Okay.
Yes.
That's like what settles it.
She's so, oh my God.
But she's, you know what?
I feel like she would have reacted the same way if Samantha was dating a man.
If she was having a relationship with a man.
(40:27):
I think she would have been like, sure, we'll see until hearing about the no sex thing.
And then she would have been like, oh, well, okay.
But I still think the gayness of it all is definitely not helping Charlotte swallow the
pill.
Right.
So then they're basically just sitting at the diner and they all stopped talking about
(40:49):
Samantha's relationship and like her amazing sex that she's having.
And they kind of give her a hard time about the fact that she's like, please, Maria has
10 dicks.
And then they're all like, please, a finger is not a dick.
And then she's like, come on, size has nothing to do with it.
And they're all giving her a really hard time.
(41:10):
And I'm just like, they need to shut up and she deserves to enjoy her newfound sexual fluidity.
And it's also just like, it's so, Carrie being so heteronormative about like sex is not surprising,
but it's so annoying to listen to.
This is probably like, she writes a sex column.
How can somebody who writes a sex column not be considered or like open minded to like
(41:32):
different and experimental type of sex?
It's also like, I don't understand like who's even reading her column.
It's not even like talking like getting into the queerness or whatever.
It's like baby getting eaten out and fingered feel probably feels fucking awesome.
It does.
Like I don't know why she's I don't think it's never had it done to her.
That's what I'm saying.
(41:53):
I feel like it's a revolutionary thought that that might feel better than a dick baseline.
Not at all.
Like I'm sorry.
I'm going to trust the person having lesbian sex over the person having heterosexual sex
every time.
Yeah, I just think it's like I'm going to trust gay dudes having sex over the others.
(42:14):
I'm just I know I know a dude is giving better head to a dude than a girl would.
And the same thing goes for the other way around.
I like I know a guy is going to get me off better than any woman would.
Because they're more familiar and comfortable with the territory and totally like and this
is all very like carries being so stupid.
(42:36):
She's very she's been very so stupid.
And like obviously it's like every body's are varied and like genders and all that stuff.
But even then I'm like I'm trusting the I'm trusting the person the the faggot to get
me off better than a straight girl every time.
Right.
So it's just she's so it's such a weird conversation to be listening to as a adult gay person.
(42:59):
Agreed.
I was like dumbfounded when I was when they were talking about it.
I was like anyway.
I'm like girl Maria can probably get all of you off and under like she could body it.
Wait, can I just say something else that's even more shocking carries having these intense
orgasms and clear to the skies giving them to her orally like almost all of them.
(43:19):
He keeps talking about how he wants to go down on her.
And he also is fingering her like when he says I want to play you like yeah.
Yeah.
So like it makes no sense.
We only see them having like penetrative sex like once like penis to vagina.
Sense makes no sense in the context of this episode alone you would think Carrie would
understand how and why a mouth and fingers can and almost all the time does feel better
(43:45):
than just penetrative sex.
100% it's also like there's a lot of people in the world who can't get off from penetrative
sex or don't like it or doesn't feel right like barely anybody can.
It's such a baseline or a fraction of people had a normative like way to talk about it
which is obviously like that's Carrie's whole thing like she's the least adventurous when
(44:08):
it comes to sex even less than Charlotte I would say a lot of the time.
No way.
Charlotte can't even say the word pussy.
Charlotte is less adventurous than Carrie 100%.
I'm sorry but no you're wrong about that.
I would say she's more prudish.
Remember the episode where the guy said that he was really good at eating pussy and Charlotte
was like completely turned off and scared of it and decided she don't want to date him
(44:31):
anymore.
Okay you're right you're right I'm being dramatic but it's like I think as the show goes on
Charlotte proves that she's more down to clown than Carrie is a lot of the time.
I think she's less interested in doing it with random people but like I think like she's
(44:52):
given head to Harry and just like that her she's like telling Tray to fuck her.
Yeah like no I think she likes sex and enjoys sex but who's more adventurous I gotta give
that to Carrie between the two of them.
Between the two of them obviously Samantha's the champion but yeah I don't know this whole
(45:12):
it just Carrie such a bummer sometimes it's like shut up you don't know what you're talking
about but it is funny when Miranda's like well actually Maria if we're going by the
size of it she probably has three and a third dicks.
And I'm like okay this is funny this is actually funny and like an interesting joke on in this
conversation.
(45:33):
Yes.
So yeah and I was just like done with the whole conversation I was so happy when it cut
to the next scene.
Same.
Carrie and her boyfriend and she like gets really annoyed with him because she brings
over a jazz CD and she tries to like talk to him about it for a second.
Yeah.
And he just like he just has to go play a record and she's like stop stop don't do it just stop
(45:57):
and she's like where are you from and he's like he starts going off on a million tangents
talking about like canned corn and shit and I'm just like oh my god this guy just has
ADHD.
Yeah and she's like I will say she does try.
Yeah.
To like do with it like do the right thing and be like oh yeah like I like I bought a
jazz like whoo and he's just like cannot focus obviously.
(46:25):
But yeah it's just like girl give it up.
Give it up.
I mean get laid first but she does she does she's like okay anyways let's fuck.
And then we get to Charlotte and she gets pissed off because he asked her because Trey
asked her to measure his dick and it's like instead of asking her to move in he asked
(46:47):
her that and it's like I totally disagree with her reaction.
Charlotte sucks at communication.
She's holding it all in and then expecting him to be a mind reader like it just bothers
me.
I hate you.
Yes I agree with you.
And she's a terrible communicator.
She didn't express to him at all a single time that she wanted to talk about potentially
(47:09):
having her move back in.
She's a terrible communicator but he's also being so fucking annoying constantly talking
about his dick now.
I think they're both wrong.
I think in the context of them just having had sex him talking about his dick is not
a reach.
No but I also think she's just like we can't talk about your dick.
(47:36):
But she only expresses that to him after he's done it like five times.
She doesn't tell him gently a single time like hey it would be great if you could stop
talking about it.
Again she sucks at communication expects him to read her mind and when he doesn't she
explodes.
But I will say I think also this is building up because so much of their relationship has
been not talking about the elephant in the room.
Of his dick and not being able to have sex and him not being able to get hard and all
(47:59):
that.
So I think she's like no matter what all we do is talk about your dick.
Like at the end of the day.
I get why she's annoyed.
But still like communicate that in a way that is not screaming at him.
Yeah I mean and tell him one time and see if he actually changes the behavior instead
of expecting him to read your mind and then exploding when he inevitably doesn't.
(48:23):
Totally.
I agree.
And she just bothered me about her character.
Oh absolutely.
But it's also very classic her.
Yeah.
Like it's just.
Part of the reason I really don't fuck with Charlotte that much.
But I am glad she like you know what I can appreciate the fact that she does blow up.
At all.
Instead of just not saying anything.
Yeah she's not a pushover it's just I mean she is for like 80% of the time and then the
(48:47):
last 20% is when she decides to use her voice.
But it's just so funny her being like don't talk about moving in in front of the penis.
Yeah.
It made me laugh so hard.
Her whole like freak out I was like giggling.
Yeah her whole freak out was just like so silly.
It's so silly.
It's so.
The music cue in the shower.
(49:08):
Oh my god I just remembered something.
It's so funny what.
Wait holy shit I just got chills.
Okay the next scene is Miranda eating chocolate cake out of the trash.
And who did I say that Miranda reminded me of on Seinfeld.
George.
And what does George do at a dinner party one time.
Okay who of us haven't eaten sweets out of the garbage.
(49:33):
He eats an eclair out of the trash and then the lady catches him red handed.
She is so fucking George coded it's not even funny.
I would do that.
Holy shit.
I would have done that.
I'm a pig.
And I won't I won't I won't feel bad.
I love her pouring the dish soap on it though was so fucking funny.
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I agree.
I was like she's real for that.
I get it.
I totally get it.
I need that boundary.
You need to set that boundary otherwise you're going to continue to do it.
Oh my god.
But also yeah Charlotte freaking out the music in the shower made me laugh so hard.
Her like aggressively scrubbing her hair.
Oh my god.
(50:14):
And then freaking out.
And then she gets out the shower with shampoo in her hair.
Like mascara running down her face still because she didn't finish washing.
Oh I loved it.
I lived.
I loved it.
I'm sorry.
She's so stupid.
She's so over dramatic and stupid.
Okay.
And then after that it cuts to Miranda pouring dish soap on the cake after she eats a slice
of it out of the trash and then she calls Carrie and she's like I know you're having
(50:38):
mind blowing sex but I just took a piece of cake out of the trash and ate it so you'll
probably need this information when you check me into the Betty Crocker clinic.
Instead of the Betty Ford clinic.
Oh my god.
I will say a lot of the jokes this episode are Miranda's.
A lot of the best jokes.
Yeah.
Miranda is very funny in this one.
She's really good.
(50:58):
It was typical George shit.
Yeah.
Just good comic relief.
And when in doubt.
And jerk off.
I know.
Like I loved the part where Samantha becomes like a star pupil of lesbian sex.
I'm sorry I scored right in her face.
It was so funny.
Oh my god.
(51:18):
It was and her reaction is just so.
She's like was that good or bad.
Which is such a sweet question.
Very good.
Yeah.
I love her.
It was so cute.
She is just my everything.
She's the best for a reason.
She really is.
And then she comes over and reproposes to Charlotte.
(51:39):
I don't really care for Trey at all.
I don't either.
I literally have the note.
When does she meet Harry.
I'm over this.
Right.
Like Charlotte is such an angel for trying to make this work as long as she did.
But she just like quit now.
Yeah.
Quit while you're ahead or behind even.
Just quit.
Yeah.
And then Carrie's like so after I left ADD another dating disaster.
(52:04):
I was like you are fucked up for that.
She's so funny.
I'm sorry.
She's so fucking funny.
Stop now.
Messy bitch.
She's so fucking rude.
Such a mess.
I hate her.
I love it.
It made me laugh.
That made me laugh out hard.
Me too.
And then her look is very chic.
Yeah.
Why is she walking under the Queensborough Bridge like this.
(52:25):
Yeah.
Like what the fuck is going on.
As if there's only been like one other episode where she's ever walked.
Yeah.
I'm gonna catch a cab so I walked home.
Bitch take the subway.
You stupid.
She's like I walked 40 blocks and I'm like no you didn't.
You're such a liar not in those Minolos.
Yeah girl get a fucking cab.
Be serious.
I hate her.
(52:46):
She's such a goof.
But I like this episode.
I'm so glad you picked it.
It made me really happy.
Like just like genuine laughing out loud.
Me too.
I'm so glad I picked it too.
And I'm so excited to record our next one.
And do you know what you're gonna choose.
Oh god I forgot to look.
I think I know off the top of my head but let me double check.
(53:09):
It is oh we are finally getting into this is the only season six episode we have on
the list.
And it is season six episode seven and it is the Post-it breakup.
Oh wow.
Iconic episode.
Iconic.
I can't wait.
(53:30):
I'm so excited to talk about that.
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(53:52):
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Can you see me?
What the hell is she talking about?
Who's this?
Can I see two Angelina please?
No she died.
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