He Took Her Strappy Sandals! - Sex and the City S3 E17

This week we get into Trev's favorite episode! And we ask if karma is the breeze in your hair on the weekend? We dig into our beliefs on karma vs. consequence, what your shoe size says about you, and the intricacies of Miranda's insecurities.

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hello, hello.

(00:02):
So what, no fucking ziti now?
Don't make me laugh.
Hi, welcome to you know that episode. I'm Victoria.
And I'm Trev. We're two friends who watch too much TV.
We break down iconic episodes of good shows
and bad
and explain why we feel the way we do.
Today we're talking about season 3 episode 17 of Sex and the City titled

(00:23):
What Goes Around Comes Around which aired on October 8th, 2000.
Bitch.
This episode is so fucking iconic.
So this was your pick for a number one favorite.
I love this episode.
I feel like it has just enough for each character.
It feels like it's pretty evenly distributed between them.

(00:46):
I agree. Yeah.
They each had like really good storylines.
Not really good like what happened to them was good, but like
they kept us intrigued.
They were like throwing off that they had like a beginning, middle and end.
And even though like obviously Carrie is our main character and we're following her the most.
It doesn't feel like because there are a lot of episodes where it's like, okay, this is a Samantha Carrie episode.

(01:11):
Right.
And then the other two kind of fall by the wayside.
They all get such an even arc in this episode.
Agreed.
And I just, I think they're all so fucking funny.
In such different ways.
I agree.
Like masochistically, I think Carrie's storyline in this episode is so funny.

(01:32):
Carrie is.
Or not sadistically is what I mean.
I think Carrie is very selfish in this episode.
Yes.
I think this is, this episode is a perfect example of Carrie being the villain and not realizing it.
You know what I think, and I go back and forth on this.

(01:56):
I think that if you haven't done a good enough job of like reckoning with the ways in which you fucked up as an individual.
Apologies can be inherently very selfish.
Yes.
Because with this apology, Carrie is doing it because she wants.

(02:17):
Yeah, she wants absolution for the ways, for the way that she hurt Natasha.
She doesn't want Natasha's forgiveness because like she actually feels very bad about it.
It's more like she can't bear the thought of somebody in New York hating her.
And she even says that in the very beginning.
She's talking to them and when they're out to lunch and Natasha sees them at lunch and she goes, gosh, I can't believe there's a person in New York who hates me that much.

(02:44):
That is your biggest hate. I'm sure there are plenty of people in New York that hate you, Carrie.
Right. And I'm sure that like you don't know about all of them.
And this is one instance where she knows about it.
And the person has a very good reason.
I like, look, obviously, Carrie's my girl. I love her. I love Sex and City.
Natasha has a good reason to hate Carrie until the end of time.

(03:09):
Agreed.
And Carrie is just so, like, she cannot accept that someone doesn't like her.
And she's searching for absolution just so she can feel better, not because she wants to actually get absolution.
I don't even think she, like, just from that one comment she made, I can just tell that she doesn't necessarily feel bad about what's happened.

(03:38):
And she mostly just doesn't want people to hate her.
Exactly. Like, she's so self-centered and at the same time so insecure that the idea of someone hating her completely unravels her.
Right.
I will say this episode is a really good example of, like, of Miranda and Carrie being very insecure.
Miranda is so insecure in this episode.

(04:01):
It's like hard to watch.
Yeah.
Yeah, I love Carrie's kind of comeuppance.
I think it's necessary.
I like the karmic situation that happens to her, but she, again, she doesn't even seem that remorseful after all that shit happens to her.
No.
She's just like, oh my God, my karma is shot.
Now I need to make amends with this person so that things can go back to normal.

(04:23):
Again, it's not because she's actually sorry.
It's because terrible things are happening to her.
And she's like, shit, like the karma gods have come for me.
It's she does the whole, because the whole episode would be framed so differently if Carrie the whole time was like, I just feel so bad that I did this to her.
Like, nothing bad is happening to Carrie.
She's just remorseful.
She just feels regret.

(04:44):
And we can still have that same scene of her, Natasha seeing her and then leaving.
And then the rest of the episode is just Carrie being like, I feel so bad that I did that to her that I made her feel that way.
And then at the end we get this kind of moment where she's like, I'm so sorry, I feel bad.
And then whatever.
But no, I think the show is so smart in framing it as Carrie is like, is doing this because some kind of, some kind of galactic karmic curse she's experiencing.

(05:15):
She's not doing it out of the goodness of her heart or actual regret.
She's doing this because she has this sort of perceived punishment she's getting cosmically.
Right.
Do you believe in karma?
Um, gosh.
I don't think I do.
It's like saying, do you believe in ghosts?

(05:37):
I think I do believe in like, somebody hexing me or somebody jinxing me.
And so I guess, like, I would put those two kind of things in the same category because it's kind of like somebody manifested something good or bad for you.
Like if you have like the evil eye, for example, I totally believe in evil eye.
Like, oh my God, that person like is jealous or hates me or like wishes harm upon me and something bad happens to me or like, I get some kind of misfortune after I hang out with somebody and I get like a weird vibe from like, I do believe in that.

(06:08):
Yeah.
And I kind of would, I would kind of classify karma in like a similar category of like, okay, the energy that swirls around you or like the actions that you take or that somebody takes affects maybe what happens in their life.
Like, I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know.

(06:29):
I guess I'm just saying I do think actions have an inherent reaction.
And I think that's reasonable.
I think that's reasonable.
Karma.
Because they're okay, like put it like this.
Okay, Carrie did something evil.
And then a bunch of bad stuff happens to her, including this person hating her guts.
Even if none of the other bad stuff happened to her and Natasha just hated her, I would say, and didn't want to take her calls and was like avoiding her and her reputation became kind of affected by it.

(06:55):
Like other people started to find out about it and people started talking to her.
Somebody could easily be like, oh my God, Carrie, you deserve that. And she's like, yep, that's my karma that I got for what what I did. You know, I do kind of believe in karma.
I, I think that there's a reaction for every like for every action.
Obviously that's just like nature.

(07:19):
But I don't know if it's as grand or as cosmic as it gets made out to be sometimes.
Like I think Natasha having her appropriate reaction to this experience.
I'm like, I wouldn't constitute that karma because I think that's just like someone having a natural reaction to it's the reaction that she manifested through what she did.

(07:42):
Yeah. And it's like, I, it could all these horrible things happening to her like her not getting a cab her getting robbed, whatever, whatever.
I, it could just be coincidence. Obviously in a written show like this, it's not, it's there on purpose to like kind of drive home the point like in a narrative, it's there to drive home a point that this is happening because she's did something bad.

(08:08):
Right.
But I think in the real world and like my normal life, I tend to lean on the other side of things of just like, well, no, if I do something bad to someone and they do and they have a feeling or whatever about it. Yeah, that's not karma.
Or like my reputation is bad after that. It's like, no, that's not karma. That's just like a consequence. I think a lot of the time consequence gets confused for karma.

(08:34):
Right. And that's kind of what I was saying. Like, I think I do believe in that. Like I don't, like there are definitely times where people will be like, oh, like, man, I can't even think of like an example right now.
There's some, what I guess what I'm trying to say is there are certain times where like it could be either or. Yes, you know what I mean? Like, like you do something bad and then something bad happens to you.

(08:59):
Some people could say, oh, that's just a consequence or like, oh, that was bound to happen. And then other people look at it as like karma because like maybe it was something of a. Yeah, I think context and everything also makes sense when you're like with this type of stuff and like cultural context.
I think it is interesting though, the kind of idea of consequence versus karma in this episode though. Yeah, because Kerry uses the idea of karma to just kind of shirk off the consequence, the very real consequences she's facing.

(09:25):
But like Samantha's karma slash consequences, like a better example of how it could blur the line. Like you can say, okay, Samantha having sex with this really young guy.
And the consequences he fell in love with her because the sex is really good. Like she wasn't thinking when she did that and the cause that's the consequence. He won't leave her alone.
Other people may be like, no, that's her karma. Like she never should have messed around with that guy. He was way younger than her. Yeah, or even karma for past like dalliances and things.

(09:54):
Yeah, like, okay karma for whatever else. But like, I think it was the gray area. I think so too. Yeah, I am interested in the end that in that gray area, especially in this episode and especially when it comes to Kerry.
Yeah, I think it was Charlotte. Yeah, Charlotte's situation right like Charlotte. Okay, is the fact that Charlotte kissed the gardener a consequence of tray, like not maybe like filling that physical need. Yeah, or is it

(10:31):
Charlotte's karma.
I don't know if it works with Charlotte in this episode.
Because I don't think because this whole episode is about people's karma. What did they say about Charlotte's karma on this? I don't remember. I don't know if they really explicitly mentioned it. I think Miranda gets the karma talk.
And how going out with this sexy detective is like her karmic. Like she's earned it. Oh, oh wait, Charlotte's karma, the sister in law being like Charlotte kissed the gardener.

(11:03):
Oh, yeah. But again, is that karma or is that just a consequence of an action that you've committed like you you performed an act. That act was was told to everyone.
That's a consequence. Now you have to face the actions, the consequences of your actions. So I would say Charlotte situation is like the least karmic. Yeah, I was so interpersonal.

(11:30):
I would say Charlotte's is the least karmic. Carrie's is karmic, but I almost feel like they're all just coincidences. Yeah, I think so.
And I feel like everything other than the fact that Natasha hates her guts and won't speak to her is karmic coincidence. And then the last thing is just a consequence of her actions.
I think it's also like Carrie generally doesn't do things that are good.

(11:56):
So like, is this just karma for all the times she's been an asshole?
She's just like a generally like, I mean, I love her to death and I understand her.
No, the thing is, is like Carrie is like the worst version of me.
Right. Every time Carrie does something stupid or selfish or anything, I'm like, I understand where she's coming from. I fucking get it.

(12:18):
I know she's wrong because I'm the viewer and I see what I see her consequence. But like, I love her still and I, I, I, it's almost like the ego and the id.
Right.
Like I understand the intention.
We know a little bit better than Carrie.
Yeah, because we have the luxury of being not her.
In my book that I wrote as my senior capstone project, I have an entire chapter about how much I relate to Carrie and something that I talk a lot about is like, I've done some of the same stuff as Carrie, but I outgrew it and the difference with Carrie is that she never really outgrows it.

(12:57):
No.
She doesn't really evolve very much.
No.
Carrie is one of those characters that I don't mind that she hasn't grown like it's just that's who she is.
She's never going to change.
And it's interesting to watch. It's always fun to watch.
Right. I don't want a character who's perfect all the time.
No, I think that's so.
Less entertaining.
So uninteresting, which I think is like another reason, another thing that I like about and just like that is that I like that Carrie still kind of, she's fucking old as dirt now.

(13:24):
And she's still doing silly shit.
Yeah.
And I think that's relatable. I think people don't change that much.
Right.
But yeah, I just love the idea of the karma versus consequence in this episode.
And I think Carrie gets what she deserves, whether that be consequences or a deep cut.
Because you do believe in.

(13:46):
No, I think whether it be karma or consequence, I think that the things Carrie experiences, either it's Natasha dragging her or kind of just feeling like uncomfortable in her body.
Because of the things she's going through.
I think she deserves it.

(14:07):
Okay.
Because I think like, no, you reap what you sow.
That's a very karmic comment.
And I know. So it's like, it's contradictory. But again, it's like, it's consequence of the same breath. It's like, yeah, of course, you're going to have to face certain things.
I think the two things overlap.
I think so too. I think there's a vent. The Venn diagram is very large.

(14:28):
Karma versus consequence.
Consequences are not in a system system because in the sense they are not a law, they're always the same or consistent.
Well, karma is absolute.
What?
That doesn't make any sense.
Is karma the same as karma?
I feel like that made no sense.
Okay, wait, Hinduism identifies karma as the relationship between a person's mental or physical action and the consequences following that action.

(14:54):
So karma is consequences.
So it's like.
It's just within the context of Hinduism.
It's like one feeding into the, you can't have one without the other almost.
It also signifies the consequences of all the actions of a person in their current and previous lives and the chain of cause and effect in morality.
That brings up another question. Do you believe in reincarnation?

(15:15):
No.
Okay.
I also think that the idea, I think karma is a lot more, like in this, what you just read, I think karma is a lot more tied to the idea of morals.
The consequence is more, it feels less so.
Consequence just feels like a fact.
Consequence feels more interpersonal and more fact based.

(15:37):
Like I hit you, now I'm in trouble.
Right.
That's kind of just like black and white.
Or like I punched a hole in the window and now my hand's bleeding.
Exactly.
That's a consequence.
It doesn't have anything to do whether it was a good idea or a bad idea.
It was hurtful or it was nice.
There's a lack of things.
Okay, for example, like you give someone a hug and they smile.
That's not karma.
Consequence feels like a fact.

(15:58):
And there's no moral quandary with that.
Right.
There's no, it's just kind of like, oh, this is a very black and white.
Right, I left my shoe untied and I tripped downstairs.
Exactly.
It's not good or bad.
There's no, I think karma is a lot more steeped in the idea of good and bad, right and wrong.
This says, why do people believe in karmas?
And the answer somebody gave is one possible explanation is that karma is seen as a source of supernatural justice.

(16:24):
And that individuals who believe in karma are expected to behave in a more trustworthy manner in order to avoid karmic punishment and or to reap karmic rewards.
Which I think is also interesting too, because that makes sense with someone like, someone like Carrie who exists in the world, not to do good or wrong.
Like she's not doing good for the sake of doing good.
She's doing good for the sake of I don't want to be punished.

(16:47):
I don't want bad karma for this.
Exactly.
The intentions are interesting there of like, like her intention in this episode are like, I need to make amends so that I will stop being punished.
I don't, I'm not making amends to do the right thing.
So it's like your intentions are misplaced in the first place.
Which is why I'm also less interested in, I like, I'm interested in karma, but I'm less interested in it as a concept.

(17:11):
You don't know if that makes sense because I'm like, well, she's not.
Your intentions are wrong from the base, from the jump.
You're just doing this thing to make yourself feel better.
Right.
Karma feels, the idea of karma feels a lot more selfish.
Right. You're thinking about your own, what, what kind of things are going to happen, yeah.

(17:37):
And what kind of shit is going to happen to you as a result of something you did or didn't do.
Versus actually thinking about like, okay, the consequences of my action in the context of another person's experience.
I said this thing and now that person is upset.
Yeah.
That's very black and white, A and B equals C.
Where if I say this thing.

(17:59):
Karma is selfish.
Karma feels selfish to me and I feel like it a lot of the time, like my mom is someone who's like, very much believes in that,
which I think is why I also have kind of an aversion to it because I feel like it, yeah, it's like a fear based experience, which I don't like.
I'll say something and my mom will like, no, that brings that invites bad karma.

(18:22):
And I don't agree.
It feels kind of very similar to like the conversation around superstitions.
Yeah.
Like it's a very like inherently negative thing where people who are superstitious will be like, oh my God, you can't do this random thing because blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
Sometimes I can be superstitious.
Yeah, I can't about specific things too.
But like not everything, but there are some people who are, but I feel like let's look at Taylor Swift's karma lyrics because I want to know what she thinks about karma.

(18:54):
Karma is a cat.
She says, okay, wait.
See, she says, if you dare, you'll see the glare of everyone you burn just to get there.
It's coming back around.
I think she, I think her idea of karma like in this song specifically, you're getting what you deserve.

(19:16):
Yes, the person going against her is getting what they deserve where for her being.
For anyone who doesn't know this song is about Scooter Braun.
Yes.
And I think the, I think it's interesting coming from a person like Taylor Swift who sees herself kind of as the good guy.
Right.
She's always the good guy.
Even during like reputation and like all this shit.

(19:37):
She never really paints herself as the victim, as the villain.
Mm-hmm.
Because even when she's the villain, she's reacting to someone who's worse.
Right.
Like I did something bad, but you're the one that made me act this way.
Like bad blood.
Exactly.
Exactly.
She's never the true villain.
She's always like.
Look what you made me do.

(19:58):
Exactly, exactly, exactly.
So I think the idea of the song karma, it's literally like, well, I, I have no fear of karma because I don't do anything wrong.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Where obviously the person she's singing about who is Scooter Braun, he's a bad guy.
He's the bad guy here.
So he's all, all of this thing is going to boomerang back onto him.
And he's scared of that because he does bad things where for me karma is the breeze.

(20:23):
Karma is something.
It's ephemeral that I'm not, I have no fear of because I don't do, I don't do morally corrupt things.
Right.
She says I keep my side of the street clean.
You wouldn't know what I mean.
I'm good.
You're bad.
I'm clean.
You're dirty.
Exactly.
You're going to get your karmic return and you're going to be miserable, but I'm not going to be miserable about karma because my karma is always good because I'm the good guy.

(20:45):
And I do, I just think it's interesting like the people that really hardcore believe in this stuff always kind of see themselves as a victim like Carrie.
Carrie and Taylor Swift really fit that, that mold of well, I didn't do anything bad.
I think, but actually I do think Carrie feels like she did something bad because she recognizes that she did something bad.
But I don't think she has regret because.

(21:08):
Yeah.
I think regret is.
Regrets the key.
Is important to.
She can be like, I did something bad, but at the same time like.
I wouldn't change it.
Right.
And but she does say to Natasha that she says she she wish she hadn't done it.
I don't believe that first.
I don't either because she gets with big again.
She goes back together with him if she did regret it and didn't and wish she never and I wrote about this in my book too.

(21:32):
Carrie gets back together with her exes.
It's a known fact.
I've done the same thing.
Yeah.
The only way you can truly say I regret it is if you just don't do it again.
Exactly.
Really, she has no remorse. She does it again and again. She doesn't just get back together with big one. She doesn't just do it twice.
She does it.
No, it's the whole fucking show.
Yeah.
So I think it's I think regret is if you are going to face the consequences.

(21:58):
I think you have to have regret for your actions and I don't see see that for Carrie.
Me either.
She says she regrets it, but then she goes and does it again.
How much regret can she really have?
But let's jump.
Let's go beyond karma now because.
We could talk. We could do this all day.
We could talk about it all day.
So the episode title is what goes around comes around great episode title.

(22:20):
So good.
Perfect.
So we open on Charlotte and she's hanging out with the McDougal family and they're playing 10 all the guys are playing tennis and.
Trace mom is like ladies, ladies when you marry a McDougal, you're marrying history because they're like talking about like all the different kinds of traditions that they have in the McDougal family.

(22:44):
Yeah, like the girls.
No ladies on the tennis court.
If they're unless they're wearing all white.
Yeah.
And then I'm like, tell me your own slaves without telling me like this family is definitely own slaves.
This is old money.
This is old money.
We know who you are.
And when she talks about the history of it all and like the tradition of it all, like you just know.
And there's a joke about the McDougal family handbook or something like that.

(23:06):
It's right next to the Bible in your bedside drawer.
Oh God.
It's so funny.
And then I do kind of like the snark of the sister-in-law here.
The gardener is much hotter than Tray.
Oh my God.
It's like, it is like they hired a porn star.
He's really attractive.
He's so sexy.

(23:27):
There could be something so personal about wanting to fuck a gardener.
One of the sexiest professions I'll say.
I agree.
I think, but not to be confused with farmers.
No, very different.
Very different.
Although there is something kind of rough around the edges about a farmer.

(23:50):
Yeah, a gardener, especially in this situation.
I think in desperate housewives when Gabby, oh, you haven't seen it, but speaking to the listeners.
Gabby has sex with and has a very long affair with her gardener.
And he's so hot.
John.
Yeah.

(24:11):
He's obsessed with her.
There's even one season where he comes back.
How can he not be?
Even there's one season where she sees him again and he's like kind of grown up because when she does it, he's like kind of a teenager.
And it's really inappropriate, but he comes back as an adult in one episode and he has like a daughter and like a business.
He's like a business owner and she's like, holy shit, this is how my life could have ended up if I would have just.

(24:37):
Yeah.
It's like Gardner.
I also just love the idea like it's kind of like a rite of passage for like an insanely rich woman to like have a crush on the gardener.
I think it is like.
I will say this Gardner is much more attractive than the kid from Desperado's wives.
Yeah, what is he?
He was literally like, it was Jesse Metcalf.

(24:59):
Oh my God, he's so hot.
Yeah.
God, Jesse Metcalf is so fucking hot.
What does he do now?
Nothing.
I don't know.
But yeah, the Gardner.
Charlotte is correct.
Yeah.
For wanting to fuck him.
Yeah, I think so definitely.
I think she was right for her crush.

(25:22):
I just think she has held on to the marriage for too long.
She should have gotten out long ago.
I agree.
I think she should have been gone by now.
She's been in denial, hopeless romantic, way too obsessed with marriage and was unable to.
And look where it got her.
Yeah.
It's just a, and you marrying into this waspy evil family.

(25:45):
Yeah.
But yeah, I don't know.
I love the Gardner storyline and then I love when it cuts to their lunch the next.
Yeah, the luck and Charlotte looks sexy.
So hot.
She looks like sexed up and so does Samantha and so does Carrie.
They all.
Miranda.
Miranda.
Miranda.

(26:06):
Like.
Oh my God.
She does not look sexy in this episode at one at all.
Okay.
I would say the only time she looks sexy is at the very end when she's hung over.
They should have literally just let Miranda be a lesbian because it doesn't make any sense
why she would hang out with these like gorgeous straight women and look like that.

(26:29):
It's just like.
And that does not to say that there aren't hot lesbians out there.
I just Miranda's your hot lesbian.
Miranda is a, is a very lesbianic woman as a lesbian.
I'm saying that she's.
I don't understand the styling.
I don't either.
It's so confusing to me.
Why they make her look like this.

(26:51):
Cynthia Nixon is such a beautiful woman.
Cynthia is gorgeous.
This is not a Cynthia hate.
No, Cynthia Nixon is so hot.
We're not saying that Cynthia Nixon is ugly people.
What we're saying is her styling and just her overall vibe that she gives.
It does not align with the other three at all.
They always make her out to be the ugly one.

(27:12):
Yes, she's not.
She's gorgeous.
And that's like a cornerstone of this episode is her being like, I'm the ugly one.
Right.
How could this hot guy be interested in me?
And that makes her more insecure.
Dating a hot guy somehow makes Miranda more insecure than it makes her feel confident.
I have a note about this later on.
I can't imagine that.
I have a note about this later on when they're in the restaurant and she's,

(27:33):
it's talking about Carrie's voiceover is talking about how Miranda realizes everybody in the bar is staring at this guy and wants to fuck him.
And I'm like, look, sometimes you're the uglier one in the relationship.
That's the nature of the beast.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Sometimes you just have an off day, whatever.
Sometimes the person you're with is just so hot.
Being with someone who you know is like the sexiest person in the room is such an ego boost.

(28:06):
I personally agree. Like how could that make you feel more insecure?
Where it's like, oh, everyone in this room wants to fuck my boyfriend.
That's awesome because guess who gets to fuck my boyfriend?
Right.
Right.
I won.
That's like, it just like blows my mind that she's so insecure.

(28:29):
She would let it like fuck this up.
She ruined her own relationship by getting too drunk.
She made it a guy think that she was just like an alcoholic, which, okay, that was a little excessive.
That was crazy.
That was they've had like one date and she had, although I will say six Margaritas.
I mean six some martinis is a lot.

(28:50):
Yeah, that is that is a lot.
The most martinis I've ever had was four and I blacked out.
I'm like, I think that's a pretty easy thing to explain away if she called him and it was like, hey, I'm not an alcoholic.
I was just like really, really nervous.
But I think she's probably so humiliated that she should be fucking embarrassed.

(29:13):
It's embarrassing.
She's dumb in this episode.
She's so dumb in this episode and he's so sexy.
He is like, why isn't she just like, oh my God, it's also crazy that she feels this way in this episode because it's like Steve is no slouch.
Right.
Steve.
Steve is like rugged sexy.

(29:34):
He has a charm to him.
But it's like, I don't like, like Miranda has sex with hot guys all the time.
Right.
She's acting like this is the first guy that she's ever had sex with who like wasn't like ugly or something.
I think this, this storyline would have made more sense if it was her dating a hot woman for the first time.

(29:55):
Yes, I agree.
Like her for like her, she comes out of the she, well,
It is kind of the chase storyline.
It is literally the chase storyline because when, when Miranda starts dating Che, it's like she's super like needy and like possessive and like freaks out when she doesn't hear back from them for like a day.

(30:16):
It's very first gay relationship.
It's very first gay relationship.
But anyway, okay.
Um, the gardeners way hotter.
They're out to lunch.
Who shows up?
Which obviously Natasha shows up.
She and Natasha looks hot.
Natasha looks very good here.
Um, but wait, this was so this moment was so like, they were all in the wrong.

(30:45):
This is a perfect example of girlfriends taking your side even when you're wrong.
Yes.
They're like, they're like, who does she think she is and Carrie's like big wife.
Yeah, like, I think Carrie is fully aware of that.
Like, oh no guys, she's kind of right.
But also then she literally in the same breath is like, I can't believe there's a person in New York who hates me that much girl.

(31:06):
That how can that literally be all you care about?
Like you did something so shitty.
Right.
Like all she cares about is whether people are mad at you or whether they, they like you.
They, she doesn't care about whether, you know, did you hurt them or like how did you hurt like she doesn't care about that.
So anyway, the next, like if she had said in that situation, instead of saying, I can't believe someone hates me that much.

(31:30):
She should, if she had said something like, I can't believe I made her hate me that much.
I can't believe I did something that hurt her to the point she hates me.
Take ownership of your actions that caused her to hate you.
Right.
And she doesn't want to even admit that that is the case.
No.
She just wants to pretend, play pretend and be like, oh, that person just hates me for no good reason.

(31:51):
And that's not true.
It's kooky.
It's just, she has no accountability.
Main character syndrome.
Yeah.
She has it bad.
And she's right, but like, damn bitch.
I mean, she's right.
Cause the end of the episode, I go from, oh my God, I hate her so much for showing up at that restaurant.
Literally to the note.
To literally be, I'm like.
This slow motion walk, my God, she is chic.

(32:13):
Her boobs.
I, I literally forgive her.
I forgive her.
A minute later, cause I'm like, she's so hot that she deserves.
That's the magic of sex in the city.
Yeah.
Carrie can do the worst thing imaginable.
And I'm like, damn.
I take her side every time.
That's my girl at the end of the day.
I get her.
Yeah.
I get her at the end of the day.
She's so real for that.

(32:34):
Yep.
Like I, it just, I can't be mad at her.
Me either.
But, um, so Carrie's.
But she's pathetic at times.
She's pathetic.
She's pathetic in this, in this sex scene.
Yeah.
She's walking around.
She's taking a walk to like clear her mind.
And she gets robbed.
She gets mugged in broad daylight in New York.

(32:56):
Fucking city.
He's like, give me your fucking bag.
And she's like, it's a baguette.
He says, give me your fucking blonics.
Oh, bitch.
The funniest fucking thing I've ever heard uttered in a TV show.
Carrie getting robbed is so fucking funny.
She's like, is this for real?
Wait, cause the way I literally, I would ask the same thing already.

(33:18):
I would have asked.
She's so fucking real for that.
She's like, is this for real?
I literally.
Literally someone would rob me and I'd be like, no, you're lying.
I would be like, John Kimmio has come out from around that.
Where is it?
Literally.
It's so crazy.
She's getting her line about like, uh, what is it when she says she's like, I get mugged.

(33:39):
Please, sir.
These are strappy sandals.
I bought them half off at a sample sale.
At a sample sale.
Oh.
Giving her fucking blonics.
And she's like, I get robbed as soon as New York gets safer.
Somebody stop him.
Stop it.
He took my strappy sandals.
I literally would have been like, so funny.
Wait, the way I literally would have probably needed to be put on suicide.
Watch after this.

(34:00):
Not even exaggerate.
I had to take off my favorite pair of shoes and give them to a stranger who was robbing
me at gunpoint and never saw him again.
Never got the shoes back.
And they were super rare.
They're super rare.
Like I would literally be suicidal.
And not only that, imagine having to literally take your shoes off and give them away and
then run barefoot to go get help on the streets of New York City.

(34:23):
I'd rather die.
I literally would have been like, no, just shoot me.
How much for blonics?
Probably not that.
I mean, obviously with inflation, they probably end up being the same price as they are now
somehow.
Like, they're expensive for the 90s.
Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
Well, currently I'm seeing some go for like $1,000.

(34:45):
So in 1999, there were probably like 400, 500.
And she got them half off, but that's probably why she's charging us so much more.
Yeah.
She runs into the fucking nail salon.
She's like, I've been robbed.
And nobody even cares.
They don't give a fuck.
They look up at her, but they don't care.
They're like, okay, bitch, what about it?
And she's like, I've been robbed.
I've been robbed.

(35:06):
Hello?
Hello?
I've been robbed.
It's so funny how no one cares.
It really is very funny.
I mean, I don't know how it works.
That was a very real moment that they depicted.
So real.
I just like…
I can't believe she wasn't smoking a cigarette when the cop showed up.
Like walking around holding a cigarette and smoking it would have been…
Yeah.
She's probably allowed to smoke inside.
She should have smoked a cigarette in that moment.

(35:27):
Well, actually it's a nail salon.
Okay.
There's a lot of fumes and shit.
I guess so.
Maybe they, maybe she tried to light one up and they were like, bitch, are you stupid?
That would be funny to see.
Yeah.
But no, yeah, she's like, she's pacing around, she's telling the cop what's going on.
Miranda being flirted with by the cop is so George Costanza of her.

(35:47):
She is the George Costanza.
She literally is.
Like what?
Huh?
How is this guy not seeing Carrie and flirting with her?
Oh my God.
Like, Carrie's standing right next to Miranda.
Karma.
This guy is obsessed with Miranda.
Yeah, and Carrie looks really good here.
Like Carrie…
Carrie looks so hot in this whole episode.
She does it.
It's so funny when she takes Miranda's shoes out of the back.

(36:10):
She calls Miranda, Miranda brings her back up her shoes.
She takes one look at the shoes and is like…
They're like white pumps.
She's like…
Are you fucking nuts?
I can't wear these.
She's like, oh no, I can't wear these.
And when she walks out of the freaking nail salon with Miranda, like she can't even
barely lift her feet because Miranda must be like a size 10 or some shit.
Yeah, Miranda's got some big ass fucking feet.

(36:32):
No kidding.
Or she has normal sized feet and Carrie's like, of course a size 6 or whatever.
Yeah, Carrie has tiny feet, I believe that.
You know those like amazingly lucky people who are literally like a size 6?
And like they manage to find the cutest pairs of shoes like at Nordstrom Rackenship because
nobody really is a size 6.
Everyone's like a size 7.5 or 8.

(36:54):
Allegedly her shoe size is 7.
I believe that.
My mom is a size 7.
I believe that.
My mom is a 6.
I 100% believe that she's a 7.
My mom is a size 6.
Wait, what does it mean?
I believe that shoe sizes mean something.
Let's take, okay, we're having a little moment.
Okay.
Okay, size 7 girlies, we're going to start at 7, but we'll talk about 6s.

(37:16):
7 girlies, because I know a 7.
I know a 7 like the back of my hand.
My mom is a 7.
My aunt is a 7.
They're both the-
What are you?
I'm an 8.5.
Okay.
Okay.
So a 7 girlie is very like, they're the type to have a capsule wardrobe, but they're
the type to also be like, you know what, my shoes need to be the fun part of my outfit.

(37:42):
Okay.
I have a capsule-
Because they have the leeway.
Right, they're like, you know what, I have a capsule wardrobe, like everything goes with
everything.
They're super chic.
They're super, they're always well dressed.
But the top of color is the shoe.
You look down at their shoe and you're like, what do they have going on down there?
Wow, I was not expecting that.
The outfit makes sense.
Boom, they have a crazy shoe.
And you're just like, wow, that came out of left field, but it looks cute.

(38:03):
You're put together, blah, blah, blah, just point blank, they have a good collection.
Then we get into 8s.
Okay.
And 8, first of all, an 8 is known to dabble in athleisure.
They'll have a sneaker or two going on, but typically it's like a good mixture of like
utility, athleisure, and then like going out shoes.

(38:26):
And it has like a very sectioned off type shoe collection.
Remember when you texted me about those pink sandals, I think they were?
No, the pink Gucci sides, the furry ones.
Yes, the furry slides.
And you were, did you buy them?
I did buy them.
Okay, good.
Yeah, yeah.
Hot pink fur like.
They were, they're hot.

(38:47):
I love them.
Yeah.
I love them so much.
I'm a size 8 and a half in men's.
Okay.
Which is small.
A small for men.
Yeah, because I'm a size 10 in women's.
Okay.
I feel like 8 and a half to nine, which is what we are.
Normal girlies?
I think, yeah, we're like normal.

(39:08):
Like I have like some boots.
I'm on trend.
I feel like you're on trend.
Like.
Yeah.
Even if I'm not wearing what's trendy, I know what's trendy.
You know what's trendy.
We're on trend.
We're aware of like the different shifts and changes.
Like we're aware of like dad sneakers and we know about like, you know, the Balenciaga
sneaker.
Yeah.

(39:29):
Like we know, we know all that kind of crap, right?
The f**king um, the taggy boots.
The dirty gray goo sneakers.
Oh my God.
Doc Martens coming back around for like Gen Zers who want to pretend they're from the
millennials.
Like we know about all that stuff.
But that doesn't mean we're gonna.
A f**king bloodstone.
Yes, but that doesn't mean we're automatically gonna do that stuff.

(39:51):
We just know we're aware of it and we want you to know we're aware of it.
And we are in that bracket where like we could get away with the trendy stuff still.
We could do it.
We could do it if we wanted to.
We could definitely do it like, you know, ugg minis.
I have a pair of ugg minis.
There's certain.
I have a pair of ugg ankle boots.
Right.
There are certain trends where you're like, you know what?

(40:12):
Yes.
Yeah.
Obviously there's a reason they're a trend.
Yes.
You're right.
The reasons that are popular are good.
And sometimes they're bad.
And we, we, we eight and a half to nines.
We know that.
We know.
We're willing to take that risk.
Sixes are.
Monsters.
I feel like a size six.

(40:34):
Girlie is like, she's that girl who like always is like worried about her lip gloss.
Always wearing like, it's my hair frizzy.
Like I think they're very much an appearance type.
And they do have.
They have some like crazy shoes, like coveted shoes.
Like shoes are like, how the hell did you find that pair of shoes?
Like where did you find it?

(40:55):
Yeah.
How did you find it?
Because they're the type to know like my shoe size isn't popular.
So they can go to random store and find the most amazing pair of shoes because of course
it's still on the shelves.
We're like, they have.
It's never out of stock.
Right.
They have small foot privilege.
Like coming back to the ugg minis.
If you were trying to get a pair of ugg minis from late 2021 to early to mid no early wait

(41:21):
late 2021 to late 2022.
If you were anything over like a six and anything under like a 10, they were sold out for like
those entire two years.
Literally.
I'm not kidding.

(41:41):
I mean, people who have small size six feet are privileged.
I agree.
I will say I have wide feet.
Oh, that's tough.
It's so annoying.
That's really like I want to buy a converse, but I can only buy the converse wide.
But they only sell that in like three colors.
And I'm like, I want the platform con converse, but they're fucking so skinny.

(42:07):
Yikes.
And don't get shoes that don't fit you correctly because you'll regret it.
It'll literally ruin your whole life.
It really won't fuck with your feet.
Like it's not even a joke.
That's not a joke.
They will fuck your feet up.
Yep.
Okay.
That's enough talking about shoe sizes.
Let's move on.
What a weird tangent.

(42:27):
I just needed to talk about it.
Because I love talking about shoes.
I love shoes.
People who know me in real life know I'm a bit of a sneakerhead.
I might not buy too many sneaks.
Like I have, honestly, my collection's been pared down.
But you have good stuff.
I'm obsessed with shoes.
My dad always used to say, shoes make the outfit and shoes carry your entire body.

(42:49):
So if you're going to have an ugly outfit, you better have a nice ass pair of shoes on.
See I'm very basic when it comes to my sneakers and my, like I'm a sneaker person.
90% of the time during the winter I wear my work, like work boots.
I also live in New England.
So like I have to.
But like I have my nine times out of 10, I'm wearing a black high top sneaker.

(43:17):
And I love that.
That's classic.
Very classic, very basic.
And then if I'm home or just like running to the store, bitch, I have my fucking camo
crocs in sport mode.
I'm not fucking around.
Again, you know what's, what's trendy, you know what's cool, you know, like an eight
and a half is not going to fuck around.
Like eight and a half.

(43:37):
No, I'm just like, I'm here to do a job.
That makes complete sense to me.
I'm the same way.
Yeah.
If I'm going, if I'm going to Home Depot, like I'm not going to be wearing my Gucci
slides.
If I'm going to a really nice restaurant, I am.
Yes, absolutely.
Or like if I'm going to work, I'm not wearing my Gucci slides.
I'm wearing my Gucci loafers.

(43:59):
I need to, I don't own a pair of loafers.
No, I do actually.
Loafers are classic.
If you're not going to do loafer, you should do, well, they always say ballet, slipper
and loafer are like interchangeable.
It depends on your personal taste, which one you want to have.
I would go with a loafer.
I have a pair of Doc Martin dress shoes I thrifted years ago.
Love that.
And they're like this nice worn in brown.

(44:23):
Brown is an underrated shoe color.
I agree.
Most people tend to veer towards black.
I've recently been getting into brown.
I also like most of my dress clothes are like greens.
Ooh.
Like I like a, like I don't like, like my nice pants that I have are like a nice pair of
like dark green pants.
Like emerald?
No, more like an olive.

(44:45):
So then with that, with the brown shoe, I like it.
Yeah, it does look like a good one.
Like all my nice clothes are more earth tones, like in that family.
I have such an assortment of clothes.
Yeah.
And we're drastically off to off topic right now.
Yeah, but it's sex in the city.
Clothes are huge.

(45:06):
Yeah, true.
We can talk about it.
I recently got three pieces from Todd Oldham's re-release.
So how was that?
You know, okay.
Todd Oldham is my favorite designer of all time.
Yes.
That I do know.
I know some of his stuff, but I don't know a lot of it.
So my favorite pattern of his from the nineties.

(45:28):
Is it the one that fucking Fran Jesher wore?
She has worn it for sure on the nanny.
She has literally been an episode of her wearing it on the nanny.
But my one of my favorite patterns of his, I have a few.
He has this one pattern that he designed using panitone, a panitone book that he thrifted
like an old one.

(45:48):
So he cut out like thousands or some crazy number of tiles out of that book and kind
of created like a pattern of those tiles that never repeated.
Oh, that's cool.
And then he designed a bunch of pieces.
So that was in the nineties.

(46:10):
It's like impossible to find the original pieces, but he recently came out with a line where
he remakes clothes out of his old patterns.
So I bought three pieces from that, including a dress, which I think I'm going to wear it
to the era's tour.
That's going to be so fun because it's like perfect.
It's super colorful and it's just, it looks amazing on me if I do say so myself.

(46:33):
Hell yeah.
And I also bought a pair of leggings and a shirt.
That's so fun.
I'm obsessed.
But I also have a couple of pieces from the nineties.
I have a vest of his and with hand designed buttons.
He hand designed every button.
Jesus.
And I also have a pair of sheer black trousers.

(46:56):
Oh, that sounds really cute.
Yeah.
Anyway, okay.
Anyway, Samantha's getting a lot of voicemails.
So Samantha listening to these messages made me crack up.
Kim control is the perfect person for this role.
I would not change a thing.
The perfect face for a shit like this.
She really does.
No notes.

(47:16):
It was the best possible casting they could have come up with.
They really, like she's the best actress on the show.
She knocked it out of the park.
Every performance was perfect.
There was not a single episode where I didn't believe her as Samantha.
100%.
And I just like, I love how she is immediately like, what is happening here?

(47:42):
And she's like, who is this Sam Jones and where is this party?
She doesn't really care about all the messages.
She just wants to be in the limelight.
She wants to have fun.
Yeah.
She just wants to have a good time and like be in.
Right.
So she's, and she tells, she's just so silly with this.

(48:04):
It's such a weird storyline.
It's very weird.
So she and Carrie decided to go to the party.
Carrie looks ugly at first, but then when she's walking like down the hall with, yeah,
walking, she then she looks good when she's with Samantha.
I agree.
I was like, what the fuck is she wearing?
No, literally, my note is Carrie.
What the hell are you wearing?

(48:27):
So they go to the party and when they show up, it's a dorm.
And the fact that they still went in.
Yeah, girl.
Like, what's that about?
She's like, it's a dorm.
Anyway, let me let me fucking get my code.
Let me get my card.
Like literally, like it's so.
It is so odd.

(48:49):
The conversation that they have right before they walk in, though, we need to talk about
it.
Yes.
So Samantha's like, okay, what would you do if I told you that a little birdie told
me that there's an update about Natasha and Big and carries and carries like what?
And she's like, they got a divorce and she's back working at Ralph Lauren and carries like

(49:11):
I can't believe I'm responsible for breaking up their marriage.
Girl, how can you not believe that?
What the fuck did you expect, you dumb whore?
What about it is unbelievable.
Right.
Like what did you think was going to happen?
They were going to celebrate and get married a second time.
Can you point to me on the sheet of paper?
What about this is unbelievable?
Right.
Like she caught you in her house after fucking her husband.

(49:37):
What exactly did you expect?
And she's like, I can't believe that happened.
Wow, I just can't believe it.
She's so stupid.
Get a brain, honey.
Yeah, just any common sense.
Any who.
So the guy that Miranda is on this date with the cop puts up with a lot.

(49:59):
Not only that, but he kind of looks like George Clooney.
He does give clue.
Do you see it?
I think it's the nose.
Yeah.
And like the slightly like, I think it's his haircut, his jaws a little eschew.
Like he's not like perfectly symmetrical.
It's very masculine.
He is an extremely masculine man.
Yeah.

(50:20):
He's very sexy.
I don't understand Miranda's problem.
Can I be honest about something?
Absolutely.
Miranda being insecure about why a guy who is this attractive is interested in her.

(50:40):
While very realistic, I would imagine for many women watching the show and being like,
yeah, sometimes a guy's interested in you and you're like, he's totally out of my league.
But for all the complaining that Miranda does in the early seasons like season one and season
two, we even talked about it in the pilot episode.

(51:00):
Yeah.
A hot guy is never interested in a business woman.
You either have to be a hot blonde bimbo with big boobs, skinny size zero for a guy to even
look your way here in New York City.
And then the guy actually is interested in her and it makes her feel bad about herself.
What happened to confident Miranda?

(51:22):
I don't know.
No sense for her character.
It's such a shift.
Do you agree?
Yeah.
I 100% agree.
It's so jarring.
And like, yeah, it's just as confusing.
This guy, she just has, she kind of loses a bit of the like swagger she had early on.

(51:44):
Yeah.
Like she was confident.
She's so sure of herself.
Miranda was confident.
Yeah.
I, but I guess deeply insecure also because I mean.
Yeah.
Like the insecurity was always there, but she was better at hiding it.
Or like not.
She was never insecure with men.
Like for example, she used to push her own skipper.
Yes.
Remember?
She was more insecure in like her relationship, like how the, like how she viewed herself compared

(52:06):
to other women.
Right.
She was never insecure in like her interpersonal relationship with men.
And she would talk about those insecurities with like Carrie.
Yeah.
But when it came to like a date with a man, she was like, you're worthless.
You are trash.
You are dirt on the bottom of my shoe.
I'm better than you.
I can do much better than you any day.
You don't have any impact or sort of effect on me.

(52:28):
And even in the, like thinking of the episode with like the threesome, that Charlotte's
boyfriend wants her to do, Samantha, like are, they all want to have like, they would
all do threesomes with each other except for Miranda and she's insecure about that.
Miranda.
It's so weird.
And it's like, she has sexual confidence so much throughout the series.

(52:49):
Like when she fucks the guy in the alleyway.
When she has phone sex.
Yes.
And then she's flash with like flashing with that one guy, like she's, it's so, it's such
a weird take for her to be so insecure sexually and like in a relationship.
Cause even Steve, she's not like, she's never insecure with him.

(53:10):
No, I think Steve is one of the examples of the relationship of relationship with Miranda,
where she again pushes the guy around and is just like, yeah.
Anything she's insecure because of their, their finances.
And then she even said, she's like, I shouldn't be in, I shouldn't have to feel insecure because
I did, I do well for myself.

(53:31):
And she's like aware of it enough.
You know what I mean?
Like she's, I think she's not aware in this arc for her that she's like causing the problem
for herself.
Cause if she was just normal Miranda, he would be into her.
I agree.
There'd be no problem.
Right.
And he's still into her even.

(53:51):
He was into her when they first met at the hair salon.
It's when she started acting goofy and weird that he was like, but even in goofy and weird
when she says goodbye after the first day and she walks into the door, he's like into her
still until she becomes a drunk.
Yeah.
So it's like, what happened?
The first, like I can understand the goofiness and like the drama and the insecurity up until

(54:12):
the first date after the first date goes so well.
Why is she still so insecure after that?
He already kissed you.
She's already made more than like one or two attempts to go out with you.
It has to do with the other woman.
It's exactly what we just talked about.
She knows, she's just not insecure about the guy.
It's the other woman that she knows she has to compete with that made correct and secure.
So fucking weird.
That's what it is.

(54:33):
I just can't relate.
I can't either.
I mean, and like I get, I'm insecure at times, but it's so different.
It's different.
It's just like, I mean, we'll talk about it more in the second date because I have a
lot of notes for the second date.
Yeah.
So Charlotte needs to get fucked bad.
This sex stream is sexy.
Yeah.
She has a sex dream about the gardener and Trey wakes her up and is like, baby, you

(54:56):
are having a nightmare.
And she was like, no, that's, I was in.
He literally is like, you're so wet.
Right.
Like that was, I think he, I mean, I'm sure.
I don't think he meant it as a good thing.
No.
Yeah.
He meant sweaty.
Yeah.
But like, you have no idea.
How intense of a sex dream do you have to have where you're slamming your head against
your headboard for a second?

(55:18):
I thought she was masturbating.
I thought so too.
And then I was like, oh my God, no, she's just literally like going to fucking town
in her dream.
I've never had a sex dream.
Really?
Yeah.
That shocks me that you remember is what you mean because you probably have.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm sure there, I'm sure I've had one that I don't remember, but I've never had

(55:38):
one that I have, that I can, that I know of.
I absolutely have.
Yeah.
I don't know why.
I just like, I just never have.
That you have.
And for someone like me who's like, I'm a very sexual person.
I have a feeling you have.
You just don't remember it.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm sure.
But yeah, I don't know.
I've definitely never had one like this.

(55:58):
No, I, mine have never been like this, but I have had them before.
I've write, if I remember my dreams, I write them down.
That's good.
I rarely remember my dreams.
That's good.
That means you're having deep sleep.
Yeah.
Is that true?
Yeah, that's true.
I don't remember your dreams.
Oh, I'm crushing it then.
It's actually really good that you are not remembering your dreams.

(56:19):
Okay, good.
Because if you wake up and listen, the reason people remembered their dreams is because
they wake up during a REM cycle.
It's actually bad to remember your dreams.
Because you only dream when you're having REM sleep.
Oh.
Mm-hmm.
Little known fact.
You know something every day, guys.
Guys, if you're remembering your dreams, see a sleep doctor.

(56:39):
All right.
Anyways, so Carrie calls, decides that she wants to call Natasha.
She's like, I just can't take it anymore.
It's so ghoulish.
It's very bad.
She's like, so she calls and she's like, could I please speak to Natasha?
This is Carrie Bradshaw.
And the secretary's like, what is this regarding?

(57:02):
She's like, it's personal.
A good secretary.
Why would she say it was her calling?
I would have made up a fake name.
I would have been like, it's Betsy Jones.
Like, bitch, you lied about, you lied to get to Big's ex-wife.
Right.
Why wouldn't you lie about this?
I would literally be like, this is Betsy Jones.
I'm calling about a purchase order that I can't see.
I would say, oh, my name is Miranda Hobbs.

(57:24):
Oh, my God.
My name is Samantha Hobbs York.
Like, lie, dumb bitch.
Yeah, literally lie.
She's dumb.
OK.
So the lady's like, sorry, she's in a meeting.
Carrie's like, oh, I'll hold.
And she's like, don't need to be rude,
but you'll be holding forever.
And she's like, OK, I'll hold forever.

(57:44):
So iconic.
She's so stupid.
I just like, what is her fucking deal?
No, no, she's literally the dumbest person I've ever met.
I'm obsessed.
It's so fucking stupid.
It is.
I love her so much, though.
I really do.
I'm just like, I just am so confused about her intentions

(58:06):
and her lack of self-awareness.
If I was friends with her, let's talk about if we
were friends with her.
Yeah.
Like, let's just pretend for a second.
I love that.
I'm going to pretend that I am friends with her
and that she told me that she slept with her ex
while he was married to somebody else.

(58:27):
And I'm picturing if she told me that she called to talk to her
or asked me if she should.
I would like, shake her.
I would literally be like, babe, you cannot call there.
You have messed up so bad.
You don't deserve her forgiveness.
You don't deserve her forgiveness.
No.
You've done nothing to fix the.

(58:47):
Warrant forgiveness.
Yeah.
You have not, even if you said sorry,
that would not be enough for me to forgive you.
No bitch, you are the villain.
You should not call there.
Do not call there.
Do not.
It's just like, just leave her alone.
Let her heal in peace.
In two years from now, if you run into each other
and you're both grown and you healed,

(59:09):
then maybe have a conversation.
This shit is fresh.
There's no way I would have let my friend call.
Never in a million fucking years.
And I would literally be like, by the way,
the fact that you thought it was appropriate to call
is really making me question the kind of person that you are.
And I just don't know if I.
No, literally.
It's like you are a bad person.

(59:30):
Literally.
We're not talking about TV world.
We're talking about real life.
If I knew her in real life, that's what I would have.
Yes, if I knew her, I'd be like, you are a fucking menace.
Yeah.
OK, so then we jump back to the Gardner storyline.
And Charlotte goes up to him and starts flirting with him.
And it's like, he seems like he's very used to being flirted

(59:51):
with by the people themselves.
Yeah, he's sexy and a Gardner.
Like he's just like, yeah, my family.
Like he's bored by the conversation.
You can kind of tell that all he knows what she wants.
So they kiss and the sister-in-law sees them.
And she's just like, she doesn't even think twice.
She's just like, oh.

(01:00:12):
Yeah, she just is like watching them and kind of enjoying it.
Like she's a little voyeuristic, the sister-in-law.
Yeah, it's kind of funny.
Yeah, it is.
And is she drinking too at this point?
Yeah, or is she smoking or drinking?
She has something to do.
One of the two.
Yeah.
And then we jump back to Samantha.
Oh, I hate this.

(01:00:33):
Can you imagine having sex with someone
who has your exact same name?
Not just your first name, but your first and last name.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would.
I probably would.
If they were my type.
Man, no, it's just too weird.
Your exact same name?
What are the odds?

(01:00:54):
There is another Trevor Rager.
I'm sure there is, but.
There's only one other.
Really?
Yeah, I looked it up.
He lives in Brooklyn as far as I know.
What's he like?
He looks like me, but a little chubbier.
Really?
Yeah, he's like some white bearded dude.
Wow.
I know, it's crazy.

(01:01:15):
Because I tried to get the email, like my name is an email,
and I couldn't because this bitch had it,
because he's like 10 years older than me.
Let me look myself up.
Nope, none of these people really look like me.
Wow, there's a lot of blondes.
I don't think of blonde as a Victoria style.

(01:01:37):
I think I'm also just so associated with you.
I appreciate that.
I don't even come up very early in the images,
but that's probably because I don't use my first and last name
on anything really.
Yeah.
That's fair.
Yeah, I don't really either.
I'm not coming up in this search at all.
I've made no dig on the internet.

(01:01:58):
This is another Trevor Rager 2.
I'm kind of happy that I'm not coming up
in these Google image searches.
Yeah, I'm not on any of this first page.
I won't.
I'm pleased by this.
But for us.
Yeah, we did good.
OK.
But I especially couldn't imagine fucking someone
with my exact name who was in college.

(01:02:23):
Yeah.
And you're so young.
She did.
This was Karmic, what happened to her.
Yes.
This is Karmic, what happens to her.
She poked around and she found out.
Yep.
This whole sex scene is weird.
Yeah.
She really kept her heels on.
She'd love it.
She does that a lot.

(01:02:43):
I wonder why.
Maybe it's a fetish.
Maybe.
But the funniest part of this is at the end
when she just goes, bye-bye.
He's like, I love you.
And she's like, oh, honey, that wasn't love.
That was sex.
Yeah.
She's like, don't get it twisted.
It's fine.
That was funny.
All right.
Then we jump back to Charlotte.
And this is when the sister-in-law spills the tea.

(01:03:06):
It's crazy.
She's like, I had a great day.
I was hanging out in the garden.
And then I saw the gardener and Charlotte kiss.
No one thinks twice.
Charlotte was literally gagged.
And then the mom is like, Charlotte, you're McDougal now.
It's so wild.
Like what?
This is the kind of shit that happens in rich families.
No.
They just don't even care.
They're like, yeah, of course you cheat.

(01:03:27):
Yeah.
They're like, of course you cheat.
And of course it's with the gardener.
Who else would it be with?
Not our neighbor, who's equally rich and equally famous
and could probably.
It's like you cheat with someone with less power than you.
Right?
Duh.
Anywho.
It's so kooky.
But I do kind of like that.
Their reaction is so not what you expect.
And it's not what Charlotte expected either.

(01:03:48):
She was mortified.
But then she was even more shocked
that she had no reason to be mortified.
Yeah, they just don't care.
Even Trey is like.
I think for a second he's like, wow.
But then I think he realizes like, yeah,
I guess that makes sense actually.
It's so alarming how much he doesn't care.

(01:04:08):
It's like ominous almost.
Like when he's playing tennis.
When he's playing tennis.
And he's like, I mean, I guess I'm not fulfilling your needs.
I guess we can just have separate lives.
It's like, it's weirdly progressive.
Wait, let's get to that in a second.
First, let's talk about how funny it is again
with Kim listening to the messages.

(01:04:29):
He leaves her like 150 messages.
He's so insane.
Her facial expressions are perfect.
It's my nightmare.
I don't like it when people call a million times.
But I have been that person before.
And I just want to say that only happens when you're like.
Desperate.
Yeah.

(01:04:49):
Or like, wait, let me clarify something.
Also, that only happened to me because I was like really
heartbroken.
And I think this guy is happening to him
because he's so young that he's like conflating sex with love.
Yeah, which is like everyone has that face.
Yeah.
But I feel really bad for him.
I do feel bad for him.
But it's also kind of just like it's a necessary lesson

(01:05:11):
to learn.
Samantha is so annoying for having had sex with him.
Yeah, I hate it.
I actually hate that she does it.
It's like one of the worst things she does, I think.
I agree.
It's just weird.
It's just weird and unnecessary.
Yeah, I don't think she should have done that.
And I think Carrie should.
Carrie was never going to stop her.
But when Carrie found out about it, again,

(01:05:32):
let's pretend we're friends at this person in real life.
If she told me she was considering having sex
with a kid in college when she's literally
known to be like 45, she's like considerably older than all
that.
And I mean, Carrie even says that she
goes to say that she could be old enough to be their mother.
Yeah, and then Samantha's like, don't even say it.
She's like, some of those guys were cute.

(01:05:54):
It's so silly.
It's just like I would not be in support of this.
Me either.
And then Miranda's out to dinner.
Miranda's being insecure.
It's like, girl, if this guy wanted any of these other basic
tricks, he would dump you like a sack of potato.
Exactly, especially when you're with someone that hot.

(01:06:15):
It's like, obviously, he's with you for a reason.
He's leaning forward on the table to be closer to you.
He's playing with his wine glass.
Like, bitch, he's flirting.
He wants you so bad.
Yeah, like six martinis was crazy.
When I heard her say that, I literally was like six.
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
Listen, for those of you who've obviously heard of and maybe

(01:06:36):
seen other people drink martinis,
but haven't had one yourself, I dare you the next time
you go out to just try it.
It's good.
I want you all to try one martini.
And it's pure alcohol.
There's no mixers.
I love a gin martini.
I think these were vodka.
No, they were.
She says double vodka.
Double vodka.

(01:06:57):
That means it's not a normal one.
It's literally twice the amount.
She gets double vodka martinis.
So that's like doing 12 shots of vodka with all of these.
Bitch, that's also an expensive ass date.
She's nuts.
She's fucking crazy for that.
She's fucked up.
But she's, well, Carrie says she woke up the next morning
with the worst hangover of her life.
And I truly believe it.

(01:07:18):
I believe it.
Four. After four martinis, I literally was blackout drunk.
She literally, when she says I'm no meaner Suvaray,
but I'm great in bed.
Oh my god.
Do we think that's actually true?
Do you think Miranda's great in bed?
Yeah, I think from when we see her fucking Steve, I believe it.
Your favorite relationship on the show is Miranda and Steve.

(01:07:39):
Literally, I think it's great.
I love them together.
But I think they have hot sex.
I don't know if it's the Miranda of it all or the Steve of it all,
but something about them just does not.
Like, I think they're a cute couple, but like physically,
I just doesn't.
No, I'm not.
The thing is, I'm not attracted to Miranda.
I think Steve is hot.

(01:08:00):
But I just think they have, I think their chemistry bubbles
over.
Interesting.
I think they have such a good kind of rapport.
And like, I don't because I'm so focused on how she's
like, I don't because I'm so focused on how shitty Miranda
treats Steve for most of it, that I just don't find their sex
to be like, believable because it's like, she kind of hates

(01:08:22):
them sometimes.
Yeah, but some guys love that shit.
And it's like, how can we have sex with somebody that you,
uh, well, I guess it's hate sex.
We talked about hate sex.
Steve is also very insecure.
Yeah, they're one in the same, honestly.
Like, they're insecure for wildly different reasons.
At the end of the day, they both have like issues.
We should talk about Miranda and Steve's relationship

(01:08:45):
in a future episode.
Yeah, I would love that.
A little bit more in depth.
I would be really interested in that.
I think it's such a, I think it's probably
the most interesting relationship in the show.
And I think that carries over into the movies and the reboot.
Yeah.
I think it's compelling for sure.
It does keep me interested.
Because it's like, it's so, because Big and Carrie are

(01:09:12):
volatile.
Like, they're not good for each other in a way that's unhealthy.
They hurt each other.
Where Steve and Miranda genuinely are like,
they may be incompatible, but I don't see them
being malicious to each other.
I think they have real love, but they hurt each other on accident.

(01:09:33):
We're like, Big and Carrie are spiteful to each other
a lot of the time.
And then like, Charlotte's relationships
are all boring to me, and Samantha's are boring to me.
I agree.
I think the most interesting relationship
Samantha has is with Maria, is it?
And even then, it's like, it could be better.

(01:09:56):
I have that episode.
We're going to talk about that episode.
Yeah, I can't wait to talk about that episode.
Me too.
Because I actually think that the relationship between them
could have been a lot better.
Samantha, the fact that Samantha's open minded to it.
Wait, wait, wait, we can't talk about that right now.
No, no, no, we'll get that.
Eventually, we'll get there.
Yeah.
OK, so quickly, there's a Charlotte and Trey scene

(01:10:18):
where Trey is like, super sweaty, and they talk about.
Kyle McLaughlin is very handsome.
He looks handsome here.
She even says, like, Carrie even says, like,
Charlotte was looking at her perfect husband
on his perfect tennis court, and blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, he does look perfect here.
His abs are glistening.
He's wearing, like, the plaid, shorts.
He's very sexy.
Hit the floppy hair.

(01:10:39):
Yeah, he's so of a time and of a type.
Yeah.
He just can't get hard.
And, like, he says to her, this comment that I think you said
was progressive, he goes, I can't bear the idea of having
separate lives.
Or no, he says, I guess we'll just
have to have separate lives, because I can't.

(01:11:03):
Like, what is he trying to say?
He's like.
I think it's kind of a thing where he's like,
I'd rather us live together and have a happy marriage
and have our, like, a dalliance.
Right.
He's like, we're going to have separate lives,
because I can't fulfill you.
Yeah.
He's like, I can't fulfill your needs, but I love you,
and I want you to get what you need,

(01:11:26):
which I think in a modern context would be very progressive.
We're like, we love each other.
We want to be in a relationship with each other.
There are certain things that I can't offer you.
So I have no, like, if they were in an open relationship
and Charlotte, like, obviously Charlotte's not
the type to do that.
We see that.
But, like, I think.

(01:11:47):
The idea that he proposes is very modern and.
Yes.
And so unexpected.
Yeah.
In a very old school way still.
Yeah.
And I think what he's trying to say is, like, he loves her
so much, but he knows he's never going to be able to change.
But he wants her.
Yeah.
He is in love with her.
And that hasn't gone away.
100%.
For Charlotte, it's like she wants the complete thing.

(01:12:08):
Yeah.
She doesn't want.
Half with him and half with somebody else.
Yes.
So.
Which is, again, understandable.
It's understandable.
Obviously, these types of relationships
don't work for everybody.
But I.
Every relationship is different.
I am surprised by him being, like, OK with that.
Especially, like, men who come from money and have this kind
He's insecure about it, though.
That's why he's playing tennis.

(01:12:29):
That's why he's so, like, resigned.
Well, yes.
He's resigned.
At the end of the day, he's not 100% OK with it,
because, like.
You can tell it hurts him to talk about it.
He's pained.
Yeah.
He's pained over it.
He knows it.
And it's not completely his own, like, of his own volition.
It's because of, like, an anatomical thing.
Yeah.
It's like, if he just, like, didn't want to have sex

(01:12:51):
with her, and he was like, go do your thing,
I think it'd be different.
But he, like, can't.
So I think that's where the insecurity comes from,
of him not feeling like.
Like, it's kind of like he's getting cooked.
Yeah.
Gosh.
But I don't know.
I think it's weirdly progressive in an accidental way.

(01:13:14):
I feel like.
How do I say this?
I think that he isn't happy to say that.
No, but he's accepting of it.
He's accepting of it.
And I also think he's, at first,
surprised to hear that Charlotte was the type to cheat,

(01:13:34):
because.
She's just not that girl.
Can you believe she cheated after everything
she said to Carrie?
Wait, I just realized she cheated.
Yeah.
I just realized that Charlotte cheated,
and the implications of that based on what we just saw
in the most recent episode we talked about.
She literally gave Carrie the hardest time in the world.
Yes.
And she's, like, about to become m-

(01:13:57):
No.
No, no, no.
Yes.
Waspy women are like this.
They're two-faced.
That's fucked up.
Charlotte, that is very fucked up, girl.
She's fucked up.
Whoa.
I never put two and two together.
Yeah, bitch.
And I'll just start talking about it.
She literally cheated on her fiance
after giving Carrie the hardest time in the world.
She cheated on her husband.

(01:14:19):
They're married at this point.
Yes.
Oh, we skipped over the marriage episodes.
Yeah, because the episode after,
because she tells Aiden about the affair
and the episode of the wedding, which is, like, the one
after the last one we talked about.
OK.
So they got married, and six episodes later,

(01:14:40):
she's cheating on him with a gardener.
This is fucked up.
They're fucked up.
All these women make bad decisions.
Wow.
But it is what it is.
OK.
We love them either way.
We love them either way.
All right, so moving on.
Miranda's a drunk.
Miranda's a drunk.

(01:15:01):
And she looks kind of hot here, like a goblin, but hot.
No way.
She does not look hot here.
I kind of like it.
No, you're wrong.
Ha ha ha.
Sorry, but you are.
That's fine.
I can accept that.
The AA chapter is insane.
That is insane.
We skipped over something.
What did we skip over?
Carrie says that she had seven unreturned phone calls.

(01:15:26):
She called her.
She called Natasha seven times.
That's ridiculous.
Just accept that someone hates you.
Stop it.
It's not that serious.
Like, it really isn't.
She's going to hate you forever, no matter even
if you say sorry, you ruined her life.
Yeah, you embarrassed her.
God, OK.
Carrie looks fucking perfect in this dress style.

(01:15:47):
It's like it's painted onto her.
When she sits down at the table, Natasha looks chic too.
They're both wearing open back dresses.
Natasha's open back in the back, which is like, ooh,
sultry, but kind of closed and prim and proper in the front.
And she's wearing a pearl necklace.

(01:16:07):
That's symbolic.
She's perfect in the front and really put together,
but she's vulnerable in the back.
She got stabbed in the back.
Carrie is just like.
Carrie just looks perfect.
The gall this woman has.
When she sits down and literally says,
can I have a sip of this water?
She's literally sitting at the table of the like.

(01:16:29):
What is wrong with her?
Who fucking raised her?
No, she has no boundaries.
And she's incredibly self-centered.
Like, you don't sit down to apologize to someone
and then drink the water of the person
that they're waiting for.
They're not expecting to see you at all.
It reminds me of.
And this insane non-apology.
Yeah.

(01:16:50):
She's so evil for this.
She's so evil for this.
Like.
She goes, I had to come here because I had to say sorry.
And it's like, no, you didn't go there
because you had to say sorry.
You went there because you couldn't bear the idea of someone
being mad at you.
You called her seven times because you couldn't believe
that she was ignoring your call and didn't want to forgive you.
Take the fucking hint.
She's obsessed with getting forgiveness.

(01:17:12):
She's not obsessed with making amends for the ways in which
she hurt this person.
I truly believe that.
That is 100% what it is.
I don't think she's sorry at all.
This type of person is so infuriating.
Just accept that you did wrong.
Yeah.
But.
And don't say sorry.
Your biggest apology can be not reaching out.
Yes.
You're the person the fuck loves.

(01:17:32):
That's all she wants is for you to leave her alone.
And then, I mean, Natasha treks her through the fucking mud.
And we get one of the most iconic lines in the whole show.
Not only have you ruined my marriage,
you've ruined my lunch.
You've ruined my lunch.
That was a perfect last word.
It's never going to get better than that.
Perfect end.
It's the perfect ending of the conversation.

(01:17:55):
She won that.
She won that.
She won that.
And Carrie knows that she won.
Yeah.
Carrie's like, OK, I have to accept that I do not get
forgiveness, and I lost that argument.
But she walks out, and she is the hottest woman in the world.
So she's like, she might have won that argument.
But ultimately, at the end of the day, I am hotter

(01:18:16):
than she would ever be.
It's such a, I just love that scene so much.
Because it's so nice to see your main character,
your protagonist, get humbled.
Yeah.
She got humbled, but then she literally walks out
and is not humble at all.
No.
She's the moment.
Because at the end of the day, she is our fucking girl.

(01:18:37):
Like, she's the most beautiful.
No matter her wrongdoing, she is the diva.
God.
I hate her.
It's like, I hate her.
I just love her.
I hate her, and two seconds later, I love her again.
I can't.
Her boobs.
Are boobalicious in that dress.
Bouncing.
This is like the best she's ever looked.
Her hair waving in the wind.

(01:18:58):
It's perfect.
This is quintessential Carrie.
Her eyes smoldering.
Oh my god.
This is the definition of fashion stole my smile.
And her last, her voice over at the end
when she's talking about like.
I wasn't even listening to her.
I was just like, god, she looks mesmerizing.
Well, she literally said she's like,
and Big is out there alone.
Right.

(01:19:18):
She's like, OK, maybe she's right.
Maybe I don't deserve an apology.
And maybe she won that argument, but I'm single and big
single, so who won?
Each shit, Natasha, I guess.
Like, oh my god.
It's so good.
It's very good.
I love this fucking episode.
I love it too.

(01:19:38):
This is a great one.
You chose a great one.
Thank you.
I think this is genuinely one of the most iconic
episodes in the whole show.
I think it is too just purely, even if it's not
for the storylines for the fashion.
Yes.
Oh my god.
Like, people think, when people think Carrie Bradshaw,
they think the newspaper dress.
Yep.
They think the fucking Christian G or newspaper dress.
100%.
And the nameplate fucking necklace.

(01:19:59):
Necklace.
Oh my god.
Front and center.
She's very iconic.
She is.
I just love her.
Even after dragging her for a fucking, what is it,
an hour and a half, I love her.
I love her very much.
And that's it.
Season 3, Episode 17.

(01:20:19):
Very good one.
Can't wait to keep going.
We have some really awesome episodes coming up.
Yes.
I'm so excited.
Me too.
Do you know which one we're going to be doing next week?
Uh, wait, let me pull it up.
Oh, I looked it up at this episode of Rips.
Oh, really?

(01:20:39):
Yeah.
Let's see.
Oh my god, I love this episode.
Love this episode.
We are talking about the episode where
they all go to the Yankees game together,
and Carrie decides to ask out the new player on the team.
The new Yankee.
Yep.
That episode is very close to my heart.
I love this episode.
I love that up.
All right.
Well, thank you for listening.

(01:21:00):
Thank you for listening.
We'll see you next week.
Bye bye.
Bye y'all.
Oh my god, he's online.
Can he see me?
What the hell is she talking about?
Who's this?
It's right here to Angelina, please.
No, she died.